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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jags and today I'm ka Nannie Stevens here

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Speaker 1: with Brian Sexton and John oserhold bands back together. We're

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Speaker 1: a little over two weeks out from the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: and we're still trying to predict what the Jags are

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Speaker 1: going to do with their first round pick. Let's start

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Speaker 1: out with our big things today, lasting impressions around this

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Speaker 1: time of year, there's some makeup pro days, there's top

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Speaker 1: thirty visits. Brian, this is the time of year that

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Speaker 1: draft picks can make their last impression on teams and

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Speaker 1: coaches and they kind of finalize their big boards around

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Speaker 1: this time of year. Brian, What can kind of swing

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Speaker 1: a vote this time of year when you're meeting with

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Speaker 1: draft picks.

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Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what the team wants to accomplish,

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Speaker 2: Tai with their thirty visits, right, you get your top

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Speaker 2: thirty visits and your boy is set.

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Speaker 3: By this point, they've come.

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Speaker 2: Back and now they're just looking to polish some grades

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Speaker 2: up and see whether a guy is really in front

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Speaker 2: of another guy that perhaps they talked to with the combine,

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Speaker 2: or whether a guy doesn't fit their system, how he

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Speaker 2: performs when he comes in, if they put him on

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Speaker 2: a whiteboard. This is about where a guy fits and

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Speaker 2: within the space of three or four spaces, not dramatic

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Speaker 2: be talking about where you might be interested in moving

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Speaker 2: perhaps in the first or second round, and you might

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Speaker 2: about yeah, it's worth moving back. I suspect that was

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Speaker 2: part of the visit with Anton Harrison last year when

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Speaker 2: he came in, making sure that if they moved back.

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Speaker 3: They had a guy they were interested in.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, as far as the thirty visits, you're not

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Speaker 4: just talking about thirty first round picks coming in. You're

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Speaker 4: talking about him going all through some fifth round, sixth

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Speaker 4: round guys. It's mainly kai a matter of, look, we

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Speaker 4: like these guys, but you're also thinking about investing in

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Speaker 4: these guys. And it's a chance there's not as much

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Speaker 4: time one on one with these guys at combines and

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Speaker 4: Pro Day's and senior bowls whatever to really get a

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Speaker 4: great feel for who he is. So this is that

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Speaker 4: last chance to sort of bring a guy in. And

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Speaker 4: if you're not sure about one guy versus the other,

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Speaker 4: if they're close, sometimes you just get a vibe for

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Speaker 4: a guy of Hey, this guy didn't like football as

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Speaker 4: much as I like, or this guy is just not

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Speaker 4: going to be quite a culture fit. So you're trying

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Speaker 4: to get a lasting impression. It's the last stage of

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Speaker 3: Interview Brian Well, and I can give you an example.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety seven, the Jaguars brought in a defensive

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Speaker 2: tackle from Cornell and named Seth Payne, and they had

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Speaker 2: seen him on tape and they'd interviewed him, but they

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Speaker 2: wanted more time to make sure where he fit. They

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Speaker 2: took him in the fourth round, and they wanted to

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Speaker 2: make sure that this was a guy that they liked,

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Speaker 2: and if he was going to go in the third,

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Speaker 2: did they like him enough to move up into the

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Speaker 2: third and grab him. And that's what they discovered when

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Speaker 2: he was here, was this is a guy they wanted.

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Speaker 3: They thought they knew.

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Speaker 2: Where he was going to go, but based on his

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Speaker 2: had to.

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Speaker 3: They wanted him that badly.

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Speaker 1: Still time to affect some of those decisions on those

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Speaker 1: top thirty visits. Our second big thing today is trade talks. John,

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Speaker 1: we talked a little bit about trades last week what

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Speaker 1: we thought could go down. Do you have an inkling

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I've been doing this thirty years, trying

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Speaker 4: to predict a draft day trade. You know, some people

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Speaker 4: predicted because they get lucky. You know, I'd be surprised

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Speaker 4: if they moved up. But I'm always kind of surprised

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Speaker 4: at a draft day trade because you just don't know

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Speaker 4: beforehand what they're thinking. This might be a year to

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Speaker 4: try to do it because the end of the draft,

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Speaker 4: It's one of the not deepest or shallowest, if you will,

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Speaker 3: But that can often be tough. Kadam Pardon, Well, it's

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Speaker 3: not to predict. But if you look at the.

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Speaker 2: Last two years, Trent Bulkey moved up into the first

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Speaker 2: last year he strategically kept backing up to the spot

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Speaker 2: he's got guys that he's identified and he wants to

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Speaker 2: be able to maneuver to get the best value. That's

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Speaker 2: really the key word, get value for the pick. If

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Speaker 2: but you also might be able to move into a

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Speaker 3: So we'll see what he does.

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Speaker 2: The interesting part is in this draft is from what

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Speaker 2: I hear, there's about fourteen or fifteen guys that have

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Speaker 1: Trades are always on the table, so we'll keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on that for sure. Our final big thing today

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Speaker 1: is keeping taste. You don't like to look across the

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Speaker 1: street a lot, but we do have to mention what's

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Speaker 1: been going on in the AFC South, what the Titans

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Speaker 1: Steffon Diggs recently to the wide receiver corps, Brian, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot being made of the other teams in the division.

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Speaker 1: Have the Jags have done enough so far?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: And I think the Jaguars have to focus on themselves

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Speaker 2: and to figure out where their deficiencies are. And we

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Speaker 2: know that they have to get better at corner. It

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Speaker 2: highlights the issue at corner. Stefan Diggs, Right, You bring

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Speaker 3: Well, we've got to get better at corner.

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Speaker 2: But if the right corner's not there, if you can't

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Speaker 2: move to get the right corner, you can't panic. You

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Speaker 2: can't just go and say, well, we've got to have

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Speaker 2: a corner because of the other receivers that are now

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Speaker 2: in this division. Strategically, you want to build to be

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Speaker 2: able to compete with the teams in your division, so

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Speaker 3: Go looking for corners.

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Speaker 2: But you can't have a knee jerk John and say, well, look,

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Speaker 2: we've got better receivers in the division.

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Speaker 3: We now have to take a corner.

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Speaker 2: There are good pass rushers, there are good players at

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Speaker 3: You better have a well rounded team. Yeah, I'm in

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Speaker 3: the minority on this.

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Speaker 4: I don't ever worry that much about what other teams

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Speaker 4: you be the team they have to be. You know,

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Speaker 4: if you lose to you know, if you build to

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Speaker 4: beat nobody else, or you're two and fifteen. So look,

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Speaker 4: I'm exaggerating that a little bit, but I do get

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Speaker 4: But their corner need to me, has nothing to do

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Speaker 4: with Stefan Diggs. It's looking at your own roster and

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Speaker 4: realizing you need corners for now and in the future.

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Speaker 4: So I guess I'm out of stat No, I'm as usual.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think you have to ask yourself the question. Also,

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Speaker 2: why do the Bills let Stefan Diggs go? People don't

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Speaker 2: they don't, they don't. They don't factor that in. They say, well,

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Speaker 2: Stefan Diggs is a great player. Now, he's a great

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Speaker 2: hit on him. He's a thirty one year old receiver.

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Speaker 2: So ask yourself the question, why are they willing to

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Speaker 2: let him go? Maybe he's not the same player that

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Speaker 2: we all thought he was. See, you can't build your

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Speaker 2: You've got to focus on I better be better at

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Speaker 2: corner because I'm not good enough at corner, and don't

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Speaker 2: worry about all the intricacies of what Tennessee, Indianapolis and

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Speaker 3: Just focus on you.

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Speaker 1: You can't just build your team on paper. You got

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Speaker 1: to play the games as well. So we'll see how

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Speaker 1: things go with the draft and then of course next season.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us here. We're going to look into the

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Speaker 1: draft this week. We're looking at wide receiver prospects that

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Speaker 1: here in the Hyndai studios for Jags am as we

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Speaker 1: get ready. We're about two weeks out from the draft now,

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Speaker 1: so we're still trying to figure things out. We've kind

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Speaker 1: of broken down a little. John and I went over

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks last week because that's been a popular topic. And

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Speaker 1: as we've heard, this year's wide receiver class is elite.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to go over some of the possible

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Speaker 1: prospects that could be headed to town. Some of these

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Speaker 1: are going to go very high. We don't have Marvin

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Speaker 1: a little bit if we go that route, that's a

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Speaker 1: whole different show we'll do. But let's look at some

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Speaker 1: of the other options that are on the table within

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Speaker 1: the first round. So there's two guys coming out of

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Speaker 1: LSU Malik Neighbors, Brian Thomas Junior Johnson. One of them's

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Speaker 1: gotten mocked to us a little bit that you've seen,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure, and kind of physically like these are taller receivers,

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Speaker 1: you know, something that we've seen. The team needs a

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Speaker 1: little bit of kind of a jump ball guy. Is

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Speaker 1: either of them the person that would be able to

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Speaker 4: It look really good. I mean Neighbors, I think, and

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Speaker 4: you trade up might be a little bit of a

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Speaker 4: pipe dream. He's you know, there are people who think

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Speaker 4: it's very very close between Neighbors and Marvin Harrison Junior.

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Speaker 4: So that'd be a great pick. I don't think they'll

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Speaker 4: Everything you hear about Thomas is that not as developed.

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Speaker 4: There are people who think he's being very overlooked, that

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Speaker 4: he might be the guy out of this class to

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Speaker 4: be as good.

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Speaker 3: As any of them. You see him walk to the Jaguars.

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Speaker 4: I personally would be very surprised if they went this

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Speaker 4: route in round one, only because it's so deep.

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Speaker 3: In the draft.

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Speaker 4: To me, it still feels like corner and then receiver

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Speaker 4: is so deep Brian that I think you're gonna see

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Speaker 4: teams say, okay, I could get a receiver here, but

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Speaker 4: I can also get it in the second round. Some years,

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Speaker 4: that's sort of falling. This year at this position. I

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Speaker 4: think it's a move that makes sense. You know, we

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Speaker 4: often fall.

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Speaker 2: Into the trap of just thinking first round and that

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Speaker 2: neighbors that you mentioned in Marvin Harrison, are going to

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Speaker 2: But the first round is about need and value meeting

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: If it is, it's a very interesting philosophical thing they're

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Speaker 3: I think you need corner well, and see I can make.

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Speaker 2: The case for you going all in an offense and

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Speaker 2: you've got to be all in to protect your quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Everyone who's watching this, who watched the Jaguars last year

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Speaker 3: And you've got two guys, and I get it.

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Speaker 2: I totally get that idea, and I'm ninety percent of

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Speaker 2: the way with you there, John, But if it's not corner,

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Speaker 3: It just is.

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Speaker 2: And you find more receivers who can play in later

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Speaker 2: And I if it's not corner, it better be offensive tackle.

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Speaker 1: To me, is there a world where one of these

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Speaker 1: Is there someone that you see that you're like that

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Speaker 4: You, you know, and better be special, Okay if you're

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Speaker 4: now if Brian Thomas is at thirteen, like everybody else

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Speaker 3: As I said, if you're.

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Speaker 3: So can you define special?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think special means do you think he's a

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Speaker 3: To win Week five this year.

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Speaker 4: I'd go up three spots if I thought this guy

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Speaker 3: Listen, what we all have, people we talk to, people

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Speaker 2: One of those three right and the Harrison neighbors aren't

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Speaker 2: If he slides somewhere at ten, eleven, twelve, because there's

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Speaker 2: Have to give up I don't know, the fourth round pick, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Because Thomas looks to me like T Higgins, and I

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go, oh, well, t Higgins, yep, But

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Speaker 4: Get well clarify us for you to move on. I

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Speaker 3: I don't know he's gonna be at number seventeen.

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Speaker 2: But it is all on value, right, I Mean, we

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Speaker 1: You take the better player, always the best player on

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Speaker 1: I think we're all a little bit still on team

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Speaker 1: We're gonna go over some of the questions you've been

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Speaker 1: He says, I don't understand fans idea that the Jags

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Speaker 1: get real. We talked a little bit about this.

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Speaker 4: I mean it goes back to, first of all, it's

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna draft three corner. Well, you're drafting with the idea, Brian,

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Speaker 3: Week four and twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: I want to move up if I think this guy

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Speaker 4: just goes back to I've never thought you build to

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Speaker 3: To be well. And I don't want to be completely

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're in your division, you do build

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Speaker 3: They built this original team.

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Speaker 3: Be able to beat the Steelers. But you didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: By drafting one player at one spot and say, all right,

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Speaker 1: I think cornerback was always in the mixt and then

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Speaker 1: when you look at some of those editions, they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: for the Jags to draft a defensive tackle in round one?

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Speaker 1: A cornerback helps one position in the secondary, A better

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Philosophically this is dead on. If it was a defensive

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Speaker 2: Laid out listen, for the same reason that I'm about

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Speaker 3: If the best player on the board is a defensive tackle,

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Speaker 2: this is really important, if Ryan Nielson likes both of them.

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Speaker 3: So I'm all with you.

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Speaker 2: That's why I always talk about best available player. You

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Speaker 2: can never go wrong when you take a great football player.

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Speaker 2: And if Byron Murphy or Newton fits, take them.

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Speaker 1: All comes down to how the board falls, it seems.

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Speaker 1: Our final viewer question for ozone mail Bags maybe John

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Speaker 1: from Panavider Beach, is the overall ross are going into

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Speaker 1: the draft the same below or the roster's the same? Sorry?

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Speaker 1: Excuse me? Is it better the same or below the roster?

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Speaker 1: The end of the season, the offensive and defensive lines

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Speaker 1: certainly appear better, but I do not see much improvement elsewhere.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. My answer to this when I did it in

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Speaker 4: the text mail bag was, if the offensive and defensive

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Speaker 4: lines are better, you're better.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so.

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Speaker 4: Have they quote improved everywhere? Yeah, I think Durbin a

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Speaker 4: makes them a better returner right now.

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Speaker 3: I love agne.

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Speaker 4: I think I think durbinat right now is probably you know,

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Speaker 4: in his prime, where maybe Jamal was.

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Speaker 3: But that's negligible.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I think if Armstead and Morse make

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Speaker 4: you better right over the ball on both sides of

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Speaker 4: the line, then you're a lot better.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I think they would have been a lot better if

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Speaker 4: they'd been a little better in both of those spots

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Speaker 4: last year.

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Speaker 2: I think you're dead on. I think when you make

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Speaker 2: your offensive and defensive lines better, you are by default

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Speaker 2: a better roster than you were at the end of

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Speaker 2: last season. I also want to throw this one out

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Speaker 2: because it's a point that you made, John. If they

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Speaker 2: go back to playing the way that they did in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two in the passing game, where they were

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Speaker 2: very efficient because Trevor was able to distribute the ball

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Speaker 2: all over the place, this year it felt like they

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Speaker 2: were trying to force the ball to Calvin Ridley, and

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Speaker 2: people want to make the comparison, Well, Gabe Davis isn't

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Speaker 2: as explosive or fast or as good as Calvin Ridley.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but can he be what Marvin Jones was in

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Speaker 3: this offense?

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Speaker 2: And I say, yeah, he's a younger, taller, longer Marvin Jones.

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Speaker 2: And so if he comes in here and gives them

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Speaker 2: a better version of Marvin Jones, then I think the

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Speaker 2: passing game is better. I could Yeah, I think this

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Speaker 2: is a better roster. It may not have improved exponentially

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Speaker 2: like some people think it could have, but they were

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Speaker 2: nine to eight, right. If you get marginally better and

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Speaker 2: can push the ball into the end zone at the

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Speaker 2: end of the year, then you're ten and seven in

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Speaker 2: the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they were very close.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know that they needed to get exponentially

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Speaker 2: better in free agency. Exponentially better is where the draft

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Speaker 2: comes in, and I think convert.

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Speaker 4: You know, had they been able to convert oun't know

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Speaker 4: the number eight more third and ones, that could have

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Speaker 4: been a difference in being eleven and six or twelve

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Speaker 4: and five for this day. I mean, it sounds like

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Speaker 4: a lot, but I think you could easily go back

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Speaker 4: and find games where they couldn't quite convert a third

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Speaker 4: and one, or or didn't have confidence in that.

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Speaker 3: To me, that tilted the whole season.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like they made good decisions in free

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Speaker 2: agency to improve the roster. Really, they fit within the

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Speaker 2: cap right with knowing that they had a big chunk

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Speaker 2: of money tied up in Cam Robinson and a big

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Speaker 2: chut that they didn't want to renegotiate, and the franchise

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Speaker 2: tag on Josh Allen, and they were able to make

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Speaker 2: some moves that fit and made this roster better. So

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Speaker 2: I kind of liked what they did, not kind of

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Speaker 2: I do like what they did.

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Speaker 1: The free agency additions to their needs were definitely crucial,

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Speaker 1: but now the draft you got to back up. You

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Speaker 1: got to develop, and you have to get that talent.

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Speaker 1: So then in the next couple of years, where they're

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Speaker 1: where they need to be as this division is getting

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Speaker 1: a lot better all around them. Stay with us here

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Speaker 1: on Jagsam. We'll be right back as we tell you

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Speaker 1: what's going on before the draft. Whether you need air,

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Speaker 1: electric or plumbing service, Donovan is always a good call.

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Speaker 1: We've been trusted by our customers for almost forty years,

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Speaker 1: so trust us to deliver fast, reliable service to your home.

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Speaker 1: Back finishing things up here on jags am. And we're

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Speaker 1: just a little over two weeks away from the draft.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about it much much more of

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Speaker 1: the next two weeks, probably until very beginning of the draft,

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Speaker 1: and then we'll all be wrong about what we predicted.

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Speaker 1: But it was fun to kind of try to project

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Speaker 1: what they're going to do. Brian, You're headed to Detroit.

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Speaker 3: I am, I am. Uh.

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Speaker 2: You know, I've been on the road for the draft

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Speaker 2: since they moved it out of New York, So Chicago, Philadelphia, Dallas, Nashville, Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: Kansas City. Yeah, the Cleveland one wasn't all that great,

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Speaker 2: but all these cities embrace it and they put on

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Speaker 2: a festival. So I'm expecting Detroit to put their best

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Speaker 2: foot forward. It certainly helps that their football team has

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Speaker 2: risen to a contender in the NFC, and the draft

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Speaker 2: is always it's always so focused on the first round

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Speaker 2: for the obvious reason that's where everyone's attention is. But

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Speaker 2: it's a three day festival and it's a lot of

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Speaker 2: fun to watch a city and a region because.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people will come flooding into Detroit for

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Speaker 3: this to make it interesting.

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Speaker 4: It's coming up fast humore.

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Speaker 1: Before we know it. John, somehow you didn't want to

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Speaker 1: go to Detroit.

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Speaker 3: I never there's nothing for there's nothing.

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Speaker 1: We did spend a week.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing for me. I'm not even journed on the

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Speaker 3: bridges there these days.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even sure there's anything for me and Detroit,

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Speaker 2: to be honest with you, because in recent years, Anton

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Speaker 2: Harrison wasn't in Kansas City right and Tredon right.

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Speaker 1: Break the streak, maybe someone will be.

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Speaker 2: There, Treyvon Lloyd, Trevon Lloyd, Treyvon Walker was not in Vegas,

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Speaker 2: but Devin Lloyd was. The year before that, neither Etn

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Speaker 2: nor Trevor were in Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: So new you're gonna be yeah, I'm sure that's it.

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Speaker 2: What's happened is is that players have decided that they'd

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Speaker 2: rather do their own parties and stay home. And we

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Speaker 2: get a list of you know, ten, twelve, fourteen players

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Speaker 2: that are going, and it's just not as impactful as

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Speaker 2: it was when you know, I'm standing there waiting for

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Speaker 2: Jaalen Ramsey to come up right or Dante Fowler, whoever.

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Speaker 3: The Jags drafted Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Josh Allen in twenty nineteen is one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite stories. That was the day that Tyreek Killen had

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Speaker 2: a story about him and his son who had broken

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Speaker 2: his arm, and there was domestic issues in the home.

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Speaker 2: And I walked into the green room to grab Josh.

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Speaker 2: Just as he was walking down the hallway to this,

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Speaker 2: Jennie had Wesley, now his oldest who is an infant,

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Speaker 2: in his arms. And you could see the smile from

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Speaker 2: the wings on Roger Goodell's face as here comes Josh

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Speaker 2: Allen with his son in his arms, and the story

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Speaker 2: about Tyreek went away and it was about Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: football player, husband father.

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Speaker 3: It was a great moment.

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen the football player. We love him, hopefully many

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Speaker 1: more years to come. We're still working on that extension.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on that as we always do.

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Speaker 1: Stay with us for the next couple of weeks. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have all your draft coverage for you. There will

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Speaker 1: be a draft event here on Draft night as well,

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Speaker 1: so consider that. We'll see you next week on Jack's

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Speaker 1: I Am