WEBVTT - Three Pro Golf Questions with Joseph LaMagna 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.520 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:04.920 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.400 And when I find my ball in a. 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:10.000 Fried egg Friday egg, the dreaded Frida Egg, Friday Fridagg 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:11.840 Fridagg bride egg. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.080 Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course. 0:00:37.800 --> 0:00:40.919 Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast. 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.320 I am your host, Andy Johnson. Today I am joined 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.760 by our very own at Friday Golf, Joseph Lamanna. I 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:50.800 love to catch up with Joseph every once in a 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:55.040 while about pro golf, and uh, obviously we're two majors 0:00:55.080 --> 0:00:58.240 in to the year. We're often running. 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I grew up a 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:22.880 Pacers fan. 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:23.400 I was. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:24.400 I'm from Indiana. 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:25.560 He left me. 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:27.919 I kind of left them. We were cool when I 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:31.160 was a kid, the Reggie Miller days, early two thousand's, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:32.560 late nineties. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:33.720 Right our town of days. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.880 Yeah, Malice at the Palace. But I think we've been 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:40.000 a boring team over the last ten to fifteen years. 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:41.839 And I'm not going to be a bandwagon fan. I 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:43.599 can't be a fraud like that and jump back on. 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.159 So I'm a huge NBA fan, but honestly, at this point, 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:48.440 I'm probably rooting more for the Timberwolves, even though they're 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:51.200 gonna get bounced than my hometown Indiana Pacers. I just 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.239 like to watch great athletes like Anthony Edwards. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:58.120 So you're just a generation z just no fandom. I 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:02.600 root for the players. The exact thing that's just corroding 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.760 the integrity of of all sports leagues is no fandom. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:11.320 Just uh yeah, that's sad. That's really sad. It's sad 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:14.880 to hear. I'm I'm happy that that the the Pacers 0:05:14.880 --> 0:05:17.640 are kind of stuffing it in your face. You know, 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.360 you leave us now, we're gonna be fun. Now we 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:24.480 got diarye salvernon or stuffing into the face. But we're 0:05:24.520 --> 0:05:27.680 not gonna talk NBA basketball. Even though that that that 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.120 thunder t Wolves game last night was awesome. That was 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:36.520 an amazing game. We are going to chat about pro golf. 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:40.400 I think we're all. I prepared three questions for you. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:42.880 You prepared three questions for me. I think they're pro 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:46.200 golf centric. I don't know what your questions are minor 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:50.239 pro centric for you. And uh, and we're just gonna 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.560 We're gonna riff on these topics for a little while 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:56.479 and uh and see where we go. So, Joseph, do 0:05:56.520 --> 0:06:00.359 you want the first answer? Do you want to answer 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.080 the first question? Or do you want to ask the 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:02.760 first question? 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:06.400 I'll go first. I'll go first. Bear with me for 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.200 a second. I'll try to keep this not super long winded. 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:13.080 But my first question for you, Andy, have we entered 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:17.280 a little golden era of major championship golf? And what 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.200 I mean by that is heading into the US Open 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:24.400 at Oakmont the top six names on the odds sheet, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:31.440 so Scottie, Rory, Bryson, Rom Xander, and Colin Morikawa. All 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.360 of those golfers not only have one major to their name, 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:38.000 but have multiple majors to their names. And that's not 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.640 necessarily unprecedented. We don't have odds going back, you know, 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:44.880 all the way through the history of golf. But when 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:50.640 you look back at major championship windows, the period that 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.040 comes to mind, like between two thousand and two thousand 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.479 and six, you sort of have a similar dynamic where 0:06:55.520 --> 0:07:01.000 you have Tiger, Ernie, Phil VJ like all of their 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.880 primes coinciding and trading blows in major championships between two 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.240 thousand and two thousand and six, So that's twenty eight 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:12.960 majors held that subset of names win sixteen majors. Maybe 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:16.200 if you include somebody like Ratief, he picked off two, 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:17.000 so that gets you to. 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.800 Herring ens in there too, herringf. 0:07:19.360 --> 0:07:22.320 Three, Harrington's in two thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.000 so like that's, yes, we're worth calling out. But then 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:29.000 after that that period of two thousand and nine to 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:32.360 twenty and twenty two and sort of twenty twenty three. 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:36.360 Almost every year you have like a one hit wonder 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.360 type of golfer. There's a couple years where it's like 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.280 twenty fourteen you have Rorty twice. You have Kimer who 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.480 wins a second, and you have Bubba who wins a second. 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.520 But those aren't Kimer and Bubba. Aren't that like Hall 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.280 of Fame class player that somebody like a Colin Morikawa, 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:55.360 John Rahm Bryson, those names are. So I do think 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.760 we are in a rare period where the top contenders. 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:01.440 It is very likely over the next three to four 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.680 years we have all these golfers in their primes. I 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.040 would be surprised if they aren't winning half of the 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.920 major championships. And then before that, just I guess for 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.880 a little historical context. The other period that I see 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:14.680 that's sort of like that is kind of the seventies 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.400 and the eighties where you have a lot of those 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:22.840 Trevino primes overlapping Jack Nicholas, Tom Watson, Sevy Gary Player, 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.560 Ray Floyd Hale, Irwin like those, A lot of those 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:28.880 golfers primes overlap. But this is you have these cycles 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.760 in golf where a lot of generations there are windows 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:33.800 and there are overlaps and we are in one right 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.480 now where we have six seven if you include JT. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:41.400 Great golfers with multiple majors under their belts entering each major, 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.880 as you know that top five to eight set of favorites, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:46.559 you got a smile on your face. Where are you 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:47.080 going with this? 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.360 I'm just wondering if there's a question. 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:54.440 Do you think we've entered a golden era of major champs? 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.200 They cuculaid out the case for me. I don't have to, 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:00.920 you know, I think like, do you agree? I think 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.160 the way that I would I would think about this 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:07.320 is and I've noticed that the last few majors, and 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:13.000 it's been a recent phenomenon where you get into the 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:17.960 major and you get going and it becomes where is Scotty? 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.720 Where is Rory? Where is rom Where is a player 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:26.800 of that ilk? Where's Bryson? And that to me is 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:29.920 signaling that is the top of the leader board. And 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:34.640 this is not supposed to be disrespectful of other great players, 0:09:34.920 --> 0:09:38.559 but I think of like Thurston Lawrence at last year's Open. 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:42.640 I think about even Billy Horssechell at last year's Open. 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.400 I think about you know, at the you know, the 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:50.360 at the at the Masters, you think about players around 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:53.680 the lead, you know, even like even Justin Rose, and 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.720 you know, you know, outside of Bryson, I think like 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:59.400 the Justin Rose think kind of backdoored in he I 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:02.040 don't think he necessarily thought he could win, and he 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.080 surged up the leader board, right, But like you get 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:07.640 to this, you're getting to this point where it's starting 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:12.040 to become and feel like who whichever one of those 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.280 guys is the highest up, is the actual leader of 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:20.079 the tournament because you don't think that the their competitors 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:24.120 can hang onto the rope long enough to really beat 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.000 them down the stretch on a Sunday. And I think 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:32.960 it's like, what's what's common with all of them outside 0:10:32.960 --> 0:10:38.920 of Morokawa is that all of them possess a good 0:10:38.960 --> 0:10:43.079 deal speed and the ability to really dominate a golf 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:47.000 tournament with their driver. They both they all can be 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:52.320 border on elite. If not, they just live an elite 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:58.800 approach play territory, and you know their their power with 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:01.800 the off the tee very little bit. But like the 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:06.040 ones that aren't super elite with their irons can be 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:13.040 can be extraordinarily elite with their driver, right, where they 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:18.439 they they that you know, covers any difference between being 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.240 you know, very very good with the approach play to great. 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.000 And then you also couple the fact that they all 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:30.920 have really good short games and can get really hot 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.160 with the putter outside of like you know, like even 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:35.760 Scotty now is it's top twenty putter in the world, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.320 like right, where So you put to these guys together 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:45.680 and they're just they're just all around awesome players, Like 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:50.520 they are great at everything when they're cooking, and you 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.520 start to like look at other players, like, you know, 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.000 you think about the players that are just on the 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:01.319 cusps below Tommy Fleetwood, like can't really dominate. Of course 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:06.400 off the tee, the putter is not great, right, other 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:09.520 two parts of the game pretty good, really good, you know, 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.560 but you know those two things you look at even 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.280 a Justin Thomas, and this is one of my questions 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.400 with Justin is for you with Justin Thomas, but like 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.679 that driver always seems to get him in trouble, you know, 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:23.719 whether it's like a wild T shot, a wild t 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.240 shot there, like maybe he can't drive the ball well 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:31.320 enough to win the biggest tournament is a question I have, 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.960 you know, you go down the list, you get to 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.760 Deki Matsuyama, like the putter's always an issue, can can 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:42.160 do from tee to green what all those other guys do, 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.600 But like you have to get like a fluke putting 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.960 performance for him to enter the all round sphere. So 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.560 you start to like kind of look at these players, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:57.960 and they have they have separated themselves, And I think 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.480 the only question is who's gonna be the next player 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:04.400 that enters into this realm of like all around excellence? 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:08.400 Is it Ludvig a Obert? Like is he the next 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:13.280 guy that jumps into the all around excellence you know 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:15.760 kind of bucket. I think you want to see some 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:20.439 more stuff from him from a from a consistency standpoint 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.120 and like you know, around in approaching the greens. 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.960 Yeah, And I guess to turn this into more of 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.559 a question than a statement that we're in the golden 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:32.760 era of majors, do you think that there's a a 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:34.679 level of being a prisoner of the moment or two 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.640 to three years from now, do you expect it to 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:43.560 be that set of six golfers trading blows still? Because 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:45.320 I think there's a case to be made on both 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:45.960 sides there. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:51.160 Well, I think golf's always cyclical, so much of what 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:56.480 you look at changes quickly, and like the best way 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.520 to look at this is the best way to frame 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.280 it is the twenty twenty two, twenty twenty one US 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.600 Ryder Cup team where we you look at that team 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:07.480 and it's like, oh my god, this team is stacked. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.600 All these guys are going to be around like everything 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:13.280 written was like, all these guys are going to be 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:17.800 around forever. This team, you know, Europe has no chance 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.680 of winning a Ryder Cup in a long time because 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.600 of how dominant this team is. And it's like that 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:28.360 team was, you know, anchored by DJ and Brooks, and 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.720 I think right now they're kind of long shots. There's 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:36.960 also players like you know, Tony Finow, who's probably a 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.440 long shot to make this team this year. You have 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.080 Jordan Speith, who's right now like thirty first in the rankings. 0:14:44.880 --> 0:14:47.680 You have you know Pat Reid, who knows what that'll be, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.200 Daniel Berger, you know, like all in the mix. But 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.640 then like the last guy on that team, Pat Reid 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.200 was not on the team. He was snubbed. He was 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.760 like the snub pick for the last guy that was 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:03.280 picked on the team Scheffler, who's now like, without a doubt, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.560 head and shoulders the best American golfer. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:06.840 You know. 0:15:06.920 --> 0:15:14.960 So it's like the cyclical nature of golf. Usually, I 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:17.840 think players operate in two to three year windows. Like 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:21.120 a normal player operates in two to three year windows. 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:25.760 Great great players operate in ten to fifteen year windows, 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:30.640 and like the rare outliers operate in like thirty year windows, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.880 as we've seen with Phil, we saw with Jack, we're 0:15:33.920 --> 0:15:37.800 seeing with with Rory McElroy is getting into that into 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.960 that twenty year window. But like if you start to 0:15:41.040 --> 0:15:44.520 draw some lines in the sand, right, like we're already 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:48.400 ten years into Jordan Speed, We're almost ten years into 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.280 Justin Thomas. If we look at you know, these other 0:15:52.360 --> 0:15:57.000 guys right that that you mentioned John Rahm, we're you know, 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:01.040 six seven years into that. It's seven years probably, I 0:16:01.040 --> 0:16:04.200 would say, is a fair number into into John Rahm, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.520 Bryson to Shamba. I think you probably draw the line 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.120 at like twenty nineteen is the start of him being 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:15.560 twenty eighteen being like really, you know good, So you're 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.320 you're getting into set year seven, And I think that 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.120 becomes a question. So like if you if you're there 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:24.360 already three years from now, you're your ten of Bryson, 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:28.400 and it could be he continued, like I kind of 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:29.960 think he's going to continue to get better for a 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:33.440 little while. I think like this has a lot to 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.320 do with like where where is golf right now? Are 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:41.280 we are we resetting to kind of a normalization of 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:44.160 how the sport works or are we still in this 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:49.400 like tremendous youth wave because the last two generations have 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:53.160 been dominated by youth. Right That's been like kind of 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.320 the the story of golf is like, look at all 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:01.200 these young stars. But the question I have is when 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.359 do we return Because we are going to return to 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:10.000 where guys are better at age thirty three than they 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:14.920 are at twenty three. We are going to return to 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.960 to some some semblance of that because like to me, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:22.600 guys are learning how to hold garner speed, hold on 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.359 to speed, and like that's been like the biggest trend 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:28.600 I think in the last few years is like the 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.159 ability to hold on to speed. But then you also 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:36.159 get the benefit of having like a extremely great golf 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:40.679 brain and experience matters. And you watched it at at 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.560 Colonial last week with Maddy Schmid just hitting like incomprehensible 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.399 shots in the wind, Like it's like, oh, he just 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.920 like literally doesn't know how to hit him knockdown shot, 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.560 and like that's that's the stuff that you pick up 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:58.160 when you're thirty three or you're twenty eight. And I 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:02.720 think we're going to see careers shift back, and I'm 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:05.240 just wondering, are we there with this generation? 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.679 Yeah, I would almost potentially challenge that it was dominated 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.880 by youth, Like were digging into that a little bit. 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.480 I mean there's definitely instances of that, right Speeth and 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.960 JT when they arrived on the scene. Those are good examples. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.359 But I think where we are seeing right now a 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:27.720 lot of golfers playing their best golf ages twenty eight 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:30.720 to thirty five. I think there are a couple of 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:34.880 great examples this year like a JJ Spawn, a Russell Henley, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.359 a Keegan Bradley playing good golf in their mid to 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:43.160 late thirties. And so that's where I am. I'm nervous 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.919 or cautious about being a prisoner of the moment, but 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:48.240 I think there's a unique dynamic in golf right now 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.800 having Scottie Rory, Bryce and Romin Xander and Colin all 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.000 twenty eight to thirty one, with the exception of Rory 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.480 who's thirty six. It feels like we're set up for 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.720 a four to five years stress true of true all 0:19:01.760 --> 0:19:03.879 time great. It's not, you know, not necessarily they're all 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.520 going to be top fifteen to thirty players of all time, 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.720 but they're all gonna win multiple majors, them all in 0:19:09.760 --> 0:19:13.040 their primes, playing that best golf of their careers, like 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.080 you're mentioning in that prime window. So I would almost 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.639 I'd feel pretty confident predicting that that group of golfers 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:22.359 will take down the majority of majors in the next 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.040 of the next three to four years, especially if you 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.560 include this year or last year two where they've already 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:28.760 taken six straight. 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.520 Yeah, And I think, like what's crazy to be is 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:40.720 like Phil one is first major at age thirty four. VJ. 0:19:40.920 --> 0:19:44.000 Singh won his first major. I mean he wasn't. I 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.600 don't think he played on the PGA Tour until he 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:52.480 was like thirty five, you know, So you know when 0:19:52.520 --> 0:19:58.000 you look at that, like it's the games changed so 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:02.840 much in terms of like you and the ability to 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:07.440 get to the PJ and it's one. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.200 Technology TrackMan in driver heads. 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:13.719 Track man in driver heads and the ball that doesn't 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:18.439 spin that requires so much less shot making. And I 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.920 don't want to be like, I'm thirty nine, all right, 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.199 I'm like in the era I played both equipment. I 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:32.600 know exactly what the difference was. The I don't want 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.639 to be old man yelling at the clouds. And I 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:38.240 do think like the level of athlete that we have 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:42.400 today is at a extraordinarily different level. Like the way 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.000 they take care of their bodies, the way they they 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:49.280 take care of like their nutrition is at an extraordinarily 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:53.399 different level than when I watched started watching pro golf. 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:58.439 But the answers to the test are remarkably easier than 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.959 they used to be, which is that's why the sport 0:21:01.040 --> 0:21:04.359 got so young for a while. But I'm wondering, if 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.880 we've hit like a kind of a cap of where 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.480 for now where, how how much it's not getting easier 0:21:13.080 --> 0:21:16.800 for the college kid now than it was for the 0:21:16.840 --> 0:21:19.840 college kid eight years ago, if that's going to push 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:24.840 that age back up where experience does matter again. So 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.760 if that's the case, like so if if you operate 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:33.840 under that premise that it's not it hasn't gotten easier 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:37.320 in the last five years for college kids and in 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:41.480 you know, juniors. If you operate under that premise, then 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.600 I would I would guess that we're going to see 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:50.880 more long careers and more more players playing at an 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:55.240 extremely high level into their mid to late thirties. The 0:21:55.320 --> 0:22:00.119 other thing is the money's normalized, right, like where being 0:22:00.200 --> 0:22:06.000 really rich and like it it's not like a newfound 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.520 thing like it was. I think like in the in 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:12.919 the mid two thousand, they're like the right after the 0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:15.840 Tiger thing where like guys know they're going to be 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:17.800 rich if they get to the top and then it 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:21.240 you know, I think just generally that's going to yield 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:24.000 longer careers and you're gonna have guys that flame out 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.919 really quick when they get their ten million dollars. I'll uh, 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:29.480 you know, I'm just not gonna name names. I don't 0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:32.080 want to throw anybody under the bus, but like they're 0:22:32.119 --> 0:22:34.359 going to get their ten million and be set and 0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:37.800 they're going to flame out, But like the the guys 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:39.320 that are at the top of the game are just 0:22:39.359 --> 0:22:44.040 going to keep going. So yeah, I don't I guess 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.480 that's like the bet is because the other side of 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.600 the coin is, like you watch the NCAAs this week, 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:53.280 and you say, holy shit, look at this speed coming. 0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:57.480 It's just getting faster. They're going to control it better, 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:01.040 and these guys are going to get unseated by just 0:23:01.080 --> 0:23:05.200 better players. Like that's the You could run that opposite 0:23:05.200 --> 0:23:09.040 direction and say that, and I think that's absolutely true too. 0:23:10.960 --> 0:23:13.720 Yeah. The only other point that I would add, and 0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.119 we've spent a lot of time on question one, it 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:20.639 seems like a pretty safe assertion that the difference between 0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:23.880 regular tour golf and major championship golf has never been 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.960 bigger in terms of course setup. You know that you 0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:31.639 have the sub air at Quail Hollow absolutely humming, and 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:35.080 majors having so much attention put into the setup. The 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.280 you know when there's rough, it being super thick rough, 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.520 firm greens, prioritizing firmness at all costs. And then the 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.400 regular weekend and week out tour stops where you got 0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:46.800 to get if it's a full field one hundred and 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.679 twenty one hundred and forty players through, that dictates set up. 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:53.320 So I do think we're in a period where technology, 0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:59.520 subair systems, you know, so much agronomic development. Major championship 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:03.200 setups are much different than regular tour stop setups, probably 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.199 more than at any point in history, and that I 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:08.320 would imagine only favors those more experienced players and brings 0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:11.960 out the guys who are truly skilled. So I'm kind 0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.480 of expecting that set of five or six golfers to 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:16.439 dominate for the next four to five years. Maybe one 0:24:16.440 --> 0:24:17.720 of them or two of them will drop out, but 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:19.240 I think we're in a unique period in golf where 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.800 we're going to see domination from a small subset of golfers. 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:25.840 Bonus question, who would you expect to jump into that group? 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.640 If of a name that's not in there right now, 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:32.520 Blood Big, that's I think that would probably be the consensus. 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:36.080 And it makes sense obviously, like he's already had like 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.800 immense success at a guest to National, which is you know, 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:42.440 the one that you go to every single year, right 0:24:44.000 --> 0:24:47.440 all right? My first question to you, and we touched 0:24:47.480 --> 0:24:50.680 on it a little bit, is JT back we did 0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:54.639 a podcast like to preface this, I think we're at 0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:58.080 a really interesting point in JT's career last year after 0:24:58.240 --> 0:25:03.159 his kind of second by his standards down year in 0:25:03.200 --> 0:25:06.719 a three year window, and the real question was, like 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:11.000 what the question of the podcast was what is JT? 0:25:11.400 --> 0:25:14.199 And we sketched out a couple things, and if I 0:25:14.280 --> 0:25:18.760 had to, like, I think the best case scenario has 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:22.639 played out over the last you know, four months of 0:25:23.119 --> 0:25:26.440 five months of PGA Tour golf. Where do you view 0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:27.520 JT right now? 0:25:29.160 --> 0:25:32.000 I think when we did that pod, if my memory 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.720 is correct, I think I said his ceiling was close 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:38.240 to being maybe not absolute ceiling, but like a ninetieth 0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:41.399 percentile outcome would be that he's the eighth to twelfth 0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.960 best player in the world. And I think early in 0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:46.800 this year it looked like potentially he was the fourth 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.560 or fifth best player in the world. But I do 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:54.400 think as we've seen some major championship golf, Justin has 0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:57.600 settled into that eight to fifteen range. And the way 0:25:57.640 --> 0:26:00.199 I view Justin, I think there's certain players that are 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:03.080 kind of hard to always nail down exactly what their 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.080 skill set's going to look like weekend in week out. 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:09.280 JT's pretty easy for me, and you've already mentioned it 0:26:09.840 --> 0:26:14.240 that driver gets wild and can be a problem to 0:26:14.280 --> 0:26:18.000 where he is giving up on a demanding off the 0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:23.160 tee setup. He's he can't keep up with Scottie Scheffler 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:27.399 with John Rahm, with Rory, with Xander, with Ludwig, and 0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:30.639 somebody could say, well he wont at the RBC Heritage 0:26:30.640 --> 0:26:33.080 at Harbortown, like you can't spray it out there. That's true, 0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.040 but you also take a lot of less than driver 0:26:35.560 --> 0:26:37.879 off of the tea out there. And I think similarly 0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:41.440 at Colonial, like we just saw Maddy Schmid, who's got 0:26:41.440 --> 0:26:44.240 a lot of speed, not the most accurate player, he 0:26:44.280 --> 0:26:45.639 could kind of get away with hitting a lot of 0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:48.200 less than driver off of the tea at those types 0:26:48.240 --> 0:26:51.000 of setups. And so we've seen Justin Thomas have some 0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.399 of his best finishes Thalspar. Another course, you take a 0:26:54.400 --> 0:26:56.919 lot of less than driver off the tee. The AMX 0:26:57.440 --> 0:27:00.280 pretty friendly set up at PJ West, a lot of 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:03.119 room off the tee, a lot of wedges. So I 0:27:03.160 --> 0:27:06.680 see JT clearly outside of that group of the top 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.320 five to six, somewhere in the eight to fifteen range 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.080 and not a true threat in major championships right now 0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:16.240 because he cannot keep the driver consistently in play and 0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.960 it's gonna bite him once or twice around with a 0:27:19.000 --> 0:27:21.520 big miss. So I mean, he's hitting fifty seven percent 0:27:21.520 --> 0:27:25.560 of his fairways this year that's bottom half of the tour. 0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:29.359 But beyond just a fairway percentage, it's those big misses, 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:31.600 those sprays where you're hitting something three hundred and fifteen 0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:33.640 yards off line that I just think will bite him 0:27:33.640 --> 0:27:35.960 more off and than it's gonna bite those top drivers 0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:37.800 of the golf on the world. So I think our 0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:39.960 of our evaluation of him being kind of an eight 0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:43.840 to fifteen in the world type of guy is accurate. 0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:44.879 I think that's right where he is. 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:51.439 I think like NBA and pro golf is always like 0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:55.520 a good comp because the NBA is so superstar driven, 0:27:56.560 --> 0:27:59.359 and I think like if you if you were comparing 0:27:59.560 --> 0:28:04.159 JT in the NBA, he would not be like a 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:08.520 tier one superstar where you're you're talking about like your Jokic, 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:13.560 your SGA, you know, even you know Luca Jason Tatum, 0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:16.879 you know type thing like if you're doing this, like 0:28:16.920 --> 0:28:19.680 you can't go to like number seven and be like, yeah, 0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.359 you know, he's he's the level of Anthony Edwards. No, 0:28:23.920 --> 0:28:29.280 like he's more of like your like best player on 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.280 a on a team that's like a six or you know, 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:35.000 like a you know, sixth seed in the West or 0:28:35.160 --> 0:28:37.840 in the East, in the East, right, like maybe even 0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.320 a seven or eight seed, because like there's so many 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:42.560 more players in the NBA you have to remember than 0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.400 the PGA Tour, so you have to like kind of 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:47.560 push down on it. But like he's like a you know, 0:28:47.800 --> 0:28:52.080 he's I don't know, I'm thinking like Devin Booker, right, 0:28:53.560 --> 0:28:56.640 can't carry a team, but like he is, you know, 0:28:56.920 --> 0:29:01.160 it's like the quintessential thing about JT is like it's 0:29:01.200 --> 0:29:05.200 been so puzzling why he hasn't played well at Augusta National. 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:09.160 But you listen to them Scottie Scheffler talk about Augusta 0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.120 National and he talks about like how precise you have 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:13.959 to be off the tee even though there's a lot 0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:16.120 of space, Like you have to get it into the 0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:18.520 right spot. And that's the thing he can't do at 0:29:18.560 --> 0:29:21.360 a high level right now with the driver is he 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:27.360 just cannot. He cannot play over seventy two holes at 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:31.080 an elite level at a at a golf course that 0:29:31.560 --> 0:29:35.800 supremely tests your capabilities of driving the golf ball. And 0:29:36.600 --> 0:29:39.880 that's like that's the difference right now between him being 0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:42.840 way up there because the putter is as good as 0:29:42.840 --> 0:29:45.120 ever been and I think like one of the other 0:29:45.160 --> 0:29:48.800 things I really respect about JT. And something I was 0:29:48.840 --> 0:29:52.680 thinking about is like I've seen his dad around way 0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:56.800 less this year, and I think, like, it's always so 0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:00.400 good when a player takes ownership of their golf swing. 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:04.800 And I think JT Xander like if you go down 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:06.640 the list, like if you go down the list of 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:10.960 the best players in the world, like Randy Smith is there, 0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:13.400 but like Scotty has the ability to self correct as 0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:18.320 we saw during the PGA, like that that was all 0:30:18.400 --> 0:30:22.200 like ownership in knowing your swing. Rory McElroy never has 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.800 a coach really around, right, like maybe Faxon on the greens, 0:30:25.840 --> 0:30:29.800 but like Michael Bannon, he works with him like siloed off. 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:33.200 Week of a tournament, no coach around Bryce of Deshambeau 0:30:33.560 --> 0:30:37.160 like he has worked with instructors. You know, there's Mike Schi, 0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.840 there's Chris Como, he's worked with, but week of a tournament, 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.680 no coach around. He owns his game. John Rahm similarly 0:30:44.960 --> 0:30:48.360 owns his swing, owns his game. Nobody's like you don't 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.880 like to me. There is something about like that self reliance, 0:30:53.280 --> 0:30:56.520 not being able to turn around point the blame that 0:30:56.520 --> 0:31:00.040 that brings a different level of golfer out. Really the 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:03.160 only player that like has made a lot of waves 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:05.440 about you know that we just talked about at the 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.280 top level with like their coach is is Colin Morikawa, 0:31:09.480 --> 0:31:12.120 who's like kind of jumped around coaches for a while. 0:31:12.720 --> 0:31:17.360 But I would tell you that, like they the story 0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.360 on the course with those guys is never about like 0:31:20.720 --> 0:31:23.640 what their instructor is doing. And I think like more 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.800 players on the PGA Tour should look at that because 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:31.400 like Justin Thomas, he's really i think reinvigorated his game 0:31:31.560 --> 0:31:35.680 and nothing like for years the story was always Mike Thomas, like, oh, 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:38.640 there's there he is with his dad. Same thing with Xander. 0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.800 Xander went to a new level the more you obviously 0:31:41.840 --> 0:31:44.080 he was he was working. I think it was with 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:49.720 Chris Como too, but like he's taken like he There's 0:31:49.760 --> 0:31:52.480 this idea of owning your golf swing that I think 0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:57.200 gets underlooked by like the ability like these guys can 0:31:57.320 --> 0:31:59.080 have a coach with them all the time and it 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:05.040 becomes a crutch. It becomes a like the you reached 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.360 the highest level that you can be in the sport 0:32:08.760 --> 0:32:13.240 when you are are self reliant from an instruction standpoint, 0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:17.400 and I think like those like you, all those top guys, 0:32:17.480 --> 0:32:19.720 like they could go to a tournament without their swing 0:32:19.760 --> 0:32:22.320 coach and be perfectly fine, and. 0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:26.240 Most of them do, probably and as well. Definitely an 0:32:26.360 --> 0:32:30.200 especially relevant point with Augusta National, where there is limited 0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:34.920 coach access but inside the ropes, which golfers have talked 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:37.720 about that it is a different I've heard some guys 0:32:37.760 --> 0:32:39.800 complain about that, that you can't have your swing coach 0:32:39.840 --> 0:32:41.120 with you, and if you if you're a golfer who 0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.560 gets obviously they're all very routine oriented, you get thrown 0:32:44.600 --> 0:32:48.240 off by that, it could impact your performance. So I 0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:50.280 do think that's a relevant point. Andy, I guess to 0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:53.080 zero in a little bit, where are you exactly with JT? 0:32:53.280 --> 0:32:56.320 Like I would say, at a setup like Oakmont, very 0:32:56.400 --> 0:33:01.040 driver or heavy can't completely spray it. I'm pretty comfortable 0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:03.600 saying that Justin Thomas is not a threat to win 0:33:03.600 --> 0:33:05.840 that golf tournament. The same way, I really didn't feel 0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:10.120 particularly positively about him entering Quail Hollow, another driver heavy 0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:15.680 total driving a test examination, So I don't think he's 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:17.880 too much of a threat to win at Oakmont. Where 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:18.400 are you on that? 0:33:18.960 --> 0:33:22.520 I think I'm in a similar vein for him to 0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.480 win a major championship, I think the rest of this 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:31.560 year and you know, you go extend into next year. 0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.760 Like aronomy could be a golf course where he might 0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:37.920 be able to get away with driving it a little 0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:42.680 so so, right, but you know, particularly Oakmont, like he 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:46.080 just would have to have the best driver week of 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:49.680 the year, which is not inconceivable that can happen. He 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.160 can get if he got into a rhythm and felt 0:33:52.240 --> 0:33:55.520 really good about the driver and had maybe one or 0:33:55.560 --> 0:33:58.200 two big misses, he'd be okay. 0:33:58.560 --> 0:33:58.760 You know. 0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:01.720 The other the other thing, I think there's like enough 0:34:01.800 --> 0:34:07.520 space at Oakmont, like they've they've but like the reality, 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.960 you know, one thing Oakmont could do is it could 0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:13.400 you know, if he drives it well, he's got to 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:17.200 drive it really well. But like the idea of like 0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.600 it punish is going to punish everybody and people are 0:34:20.600 --> 0:34:23.239 gonna miss Like there could be like an element of 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:27.080 like if he plays really smart from his misses, he 0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:29.880 could do this. Like it seems to me like the 0:34:30.080 --> 0:34:33.440 what we're at with like JT is like there's just 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:36.520 like eighteen holes, Like there's a there's an eighteen hole 0:34:36.560 --> 0:34:41.160 stretch in majors that just like subsequently subsequently kills him, 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:43.680 you know, and then he'll have eighteen holes where he's 0:34:43.719 --> 0:34:47.680 the best player on the golf course. And and so 0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:52.239 I just like there's just, you know, golf so much 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:55.719 about about consistency. Like every great player all they want 0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.120 to be is more consistent. And that's the thing that 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.399 JT just has to be more consistent of the tea. 0:35:01.360 --> 0:35:03.640 Yeah, I guess while we're there, really good test at 0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:07.879 Mirfield Village to see where JT's off the tea game 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:09.879 stacks up. Can't spray it there. So I think coming 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:11.840 into the US Open, that's a great litmus test of 0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:12.759 where his driver is. 0:35:14.600 --> 0:35:16.640 All right, what's your next question? 0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:26.960 All right, I'll go, how do you explain Patrick Cantlay? 0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:31.920 It is a because with certain golfer the punchline obviously 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:36.440 major championship performance horrific. In his career five total top 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:40.280 tens and thirty three major starts. He's won Memorial twice, 0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:44.480 He's won two BMW's, a Tour championship in Great at 0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:47.960 Ryder Cups, stinks in major championships, and he hasn't even 0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.840 been relevant, like outside of Pinehurst where last summer he 0:35:51.880 --> 0:35:54.920 had a little taste near the lead. Patrick Cantlay hasn't 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:58.239 even been relevant in major championships, and he has a 0:35:58.239 --> 0:36:00.799 well rounded skill set. It's not like a guy whose 0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:04.280 games should only set up for regular tour stops. So andy, 0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.040 how do you make sense of a career like Patrick 0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:08.719 camp It is confounding to me. 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:14.160 It's a great question. You know, up until recently, like 0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:20.200 last year, one of my favorite stats was like no 0:36:20.320 --> 0:36:23.120 major championships, most weeks in the top ten, and I 0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:26.040 think that's he's out of that now. If you google 0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:29.360 most weeks in the top ten, maybe PJ can google this. 0:36:29.400 --> 0:36:32.160 While I'm talking most weeks in the top ten of 0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.440 the OBJR, there's a Wikipedia page. I mean, he ranks 0:36:35.480 --> 0:36:40.000 like right around like Luke Donald, Ricky Fowler, and yet 0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:42.160 he doesn't. I don't think it talked about in the 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:44.319 same vein like this was like a bona fide top 0:36:44.320 --> 0:36:46.160 five player for a couple of years and he didn't 0:36:46.200 --> 0:36:49.680 crack an egg in a major. You know, I guess 0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.600 you could say, like the Master the Tiger Masters, he 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:57.319 had a chance, roughly bit a chance, like you know, 0:36:57.440 --> 0:36:59.879 like you could have talked yourself into like maybe he's 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:04.399 to win this tournament on the back nine. But I think, 0:37:04.480 --> 0:37:09.840 like I think he's accomplished a lot of other stuff. 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.000 He's had a crazy career, like a crazy career in 0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:18.920 terms of like age nineteen, back injury, personal tragedy, like 0:37:19.000 --> 0:37:22.560 back injury that almost like you know, like I I 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.280 think in the Ryan Labner piece that he wrote about 0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.799 about you know, his comeback, right when it came out, 0:37:27.800 --> 0:37:30.919 it was a great piece to like revisit probably eight 0:37:31.000 --> 0:37:35.320 years ago. You know, I think he was like considering 0:37:35.400 --> 0:37:37.720 what he was going to do with his life outside 0:37:37.760 --> 0:37:41.520 of golf, and this was like at age nineteen, everybody's like, 0:37:41.560 --> 0:37:45.239 holy cow, this is like the next big thing. I 0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:48.680 just some of it I would chalk up to variants, 0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.560 like sometimes you just don't play your best golf the 0:37:51.600 --> 0:37:53.799 week you have to. And one of the hard things 0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:56.799 about pro golf is that there's four weeks a year, 0:37:56.960 --> 0:38:01.120 as we're talking about Patrick Cantley, that really defined your career, 0:38:02.880 --> 0:38:06.080 and he hasn't done it in any of those four weeks, 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:10.040 like to an extent of like one or two performances 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.680 where you're like, okay, like maybe he could do that. 0:38:12.760 --> 0:38:15.800 There's been like two majors where you walk away with like, Okay, 0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:19.480 Patrick can't like can win a major. I would point 0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:23.279 to like, you know, and I don't know, this is 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:28.799 like a completely off the cuff theory. He's always been 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.160 He's been an incredible driver of the golf ball without 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:37.200 incredible swing speed. And I wonder if there's any corollary 0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:41.479 to a certain threshold of swing speed in this era 0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:46.279 that we're in that yields major champions. And like, when 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.919 I think about that, like specifically swing speed, where swing 0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:52.919 speed is going to help you the most is when 0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.600 you drive it off the fairway it is. And also 0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:00.160 where swing speed can help you at the most is 0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:02.960 approaching really firm greens, Like that's going to give you 0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:06.880 the ability to hit that real towering iron shot into 0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:11.320 induce into firm, tough greens. And one of the questions 0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:15.680 I might have, and this is just theoretically based, is 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:20.600 like is is Patrick Can'tley just like a really good 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:24.040 golfer and never was a really great golfer. And PGA 0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:28.840 tour setups do don't really differentiate between really good golfers 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:30.319 and really great golfer as well. 0:39:32.520 --> 0:39:35.719 I think in those are reasonable counter arguments, but then 0:39:36.120 --> 0:39:38.319 the pushback I would give is well, first of all, 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.480 Patrick Cantley, it's got a sneaky amount of speed, like 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.399 he's a one eighty ball speed guy this year. 0:39:44.520 --> 0:39:48.959 But I think it's not from swing speed, So that's 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.480 from like that's from like he he just like he 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:55.359 hits it so freaking solid and he produces a lot 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.360 of speed where he's optimized like this is I've always 0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.520 been so impressed with the speed he he he gets 0:40:02.560 --> 0:40:05.960 to with with middle of the road swing speed. 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.160 That that would be. That's an interesting angle, I would 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.360 I'd be curious. Maybe I'll dig into that and like 0:40:11.440 --> 0:40:13.759 is it coming from shots out of the rough in 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.799 Majors that he just doesn't have enough swing speed to 0:40:16.880 --> 0:40:19.320 hoist it up into the ear? All right, I'll take. 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.799 The other thing is like he doesn't he doesn't have 0:40:22.880 --> 0:40:26.400 like a steeper angle, like he's kind of he's not flat, 0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:28.919 but he's like I mean, he's got a great golf swing, 0:40:29.000 --> 0:40:31.879 but like you see, like JT is a great rough 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:35.759 player because of like how high his hands get at 0:40:35.760 --> 0:40:38.440 the top of his swing, like versus Rom who's kind 0:40:38.440 --> 0:40:40.920 of like more flat and laid off, like like he 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:44.320 gets through rough with sheer power, not with technique and 0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:47.080 and Patrick Cantley's kind of in between those without a 0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:51.920 lot of speed or power, right, He garners, he garners 0:40:52.280 --> 0:40:56.839 his his ball speed's incredible because of how like he's 0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:58.759 middle of the road swing speed. It's just like, oh, 0:40:58.800 --> 0:41:00.920 this guy just hits the dead center of the face 0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:04.520 every single time. And that's what's amazing to me about 0:41:04.600 --> 0:41:05.400 about Cantley. 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:10.880 I like you're giving a concrete potential theory. I think again, 0:41:11.040 --> 0:41:12.680 some of the pushback would be will he's won a 0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:17.279 couple big demanding setups, like the two BMW's he's won, well, 0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:19.239 I guess one of them in particular, Caves Valley was 0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:21.440 kind of a bomber's rough, and he's won a tour 0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:24.480 championship East Lakes kind of in that ILK. Memorial is 0:41:24.600 --> 0:41:27.480 not a bomb and gouge type of setup. So his 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:31.319 two wins at Memorial don't necessarily dispel the notion that 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:33.520 you're offering. I think that's an interesting thing to look at. 0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.160 It probably doesn't fully explain why he can't even contend, 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:41.719 but yeah, that's a satisfying explanation. Might have to dig 0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.480 into that a little more. Just still a confounding career 0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.280 that He has five top tens and thirty three major starts. 0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.800 Cordy Connors has five top tens and twenty six starts. 0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:52.719 Like Cordy Connors has put together as good of a 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:55.120 major championship track record as Patrick Canlay, he doesn't have 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:55.720 a ton of speed. 0:41:56.680 --> 0:42:00.600 Is is can't lay like a modern day st Stricker? 0:42:02.080 --> 0:42:04.960 I mean is he is he a tracking? Is Joaquing 0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:07.759 Neeman tracking like a Patrick Cantlay is like another Like 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:09.759 it's kind of it's kind of interesting to look at 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:11.960 those differences. Yeah, Steve Stricker is an interesting name to 0:42:12.000 --> 0:42:12.480 throw out too. 0:42:13.000 --> 0:42:16.200 Yeah, the you know where he played well the Old 0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:20.200 Course in twenty twenty two. He obviously had the Masters 0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.760 in twenty nineteen he was closer there. So twenty nineteen 0:42:24.600 --> 0:42:26.480 PGA Championship, where was that at? 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:30.960 Twenty twenty nineteen is Bethpage. Beth Page, Beth Page twenty seventeen, 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:33.080 twenty eighteen is Bellerief. 0:42:33.280 --> 0:42:37.600 So twenty nineteen in twenty eighteen play he's played his 0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:45.560 best at at the It looks like the PGA really. 0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:47.279 But Beth Page is he's way back right? That that 0:42:47.400 --> 0:42:51.560 was you know Brooks. Indeed, he wasn't come super competitive. 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:55.319 Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting to look at right 0:42:55.719 --> 0:43:00.960 where where he's played the best, where he's the best chances. 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:05.919 He played well last year at Pinehurst T three. Yeah, 0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:10.120 non competitive though never he was in it. He was 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:12.640 kind of in it, right, he was playing with Rory 0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:16.080 on the final day. He was competitive, I guess there 0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:16.960 sort of. 0:43:17.080 --> 0:43:17.239 Yeah. 0:43:17.239 --> 0:43:19.000 I never felt like he was gonna win, but sort of. 0:43:19.080 --> 0:43:20.479 So yeah, that's my second question. 0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:22.200 But that's a golf course without rough. 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:25.720 Some people would argue have played pretty bomb and Gougee. 0:43:25.840 --> 0:43:28.160 I would disagree, but yes, I'm with you, all right, 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:29.399 what's your what's your second question? 0:43:30.120 --> 0:43:35.279 My second question to you is non Rory, Scottie and 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.600 we're gonna say j t or Ludwig. Those are the 0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:41.560 four probably biggest name winners on the PGA Tour. Which 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:45.680 winner on live or the PGA Tour should we be 0:43:45.760 --> 0:43:46.720 most excited about? 0:43:48.480 --> 0:43:52.120 I'm gonna go Victor Howland and. 0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:52.919 I should have taken him out too. 0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:54.399 Well? 0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:58.759 Do you want me to take FedEx Cup champion? The 0:43:58.800 --> 0:44:02.319 point was like, of of the non household names, who 0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:03.920 should we be most excited about? 0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:06.440 Can I am I allowed to pick Sepstraca? 0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.040 Yeah, you can take the tank. 0:44:08.840 --> 0:44:11.000 Take the tank. Then he was my he was my 0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:16.080 runner up. Sepstraca has kind of followed that career progression 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:18.359 that you're talking about, right, a player who's gotten better 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.200 and better now in his early thirties. He's won twice 0:44:21.239 --> 0:44:26.080 this year. AMX is again a softer setup and not 0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:31.000 the strongest field. The truest was I mean, that was 0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:32.920 the best players in the world. Obviously you didn't have 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.520 to live guys there, but that's a bona fide tough 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:40.920 win that Cepstraca took down. So I think obviously that 0:44:41.000 --> 0:44:43.480 the next step for him would be some major championship 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:46.799 success and trying to get in the mix in this 0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.160 little runway of his the prime of his career. Maybe 0:44:50.239 --> 0:44:52.000 that's going to be the next two years or so. 0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:53.719 I don't think Sepstraca is going to go down as 0:44:53.760 --> 0:44:56.520 a Hall of Famer, So if we're following that, he's 0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:59.439 probably got a two to four year window of really 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:03.560 good golf. Then he needs to do something in majors 0:45:03.600 --> 0:45:05.440 the next couple of years. But especially as you look 0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:07.279 at the Ryder Cup, as I'm sure we'll talk about 0:45:07.280 --> 0:45:10.080 here shortly at that page, and people that could be 0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:14.000 shining lights for Team Europe. I think what Sepstrac has 0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.120 done is has any golfer in the world this year? 0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.719 Andy elevated his stature within the game as much as 0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:20.800 Cepstraca has. 0:45:22.120 --> 0:45:26.400 I would argue Rory getting into his career career Grand Slam. 0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:30.520 All right, that's like probably the most you could elevate 0:45:30.560 --> 0:45:31.040 your career. 0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:33.839 Okay, a little different, but okay. 0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.279 But uh yeah, I think like in like the I 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.760 think like a couple players have elevated, like Ben Griffin 0:45:41.160 --> 0:45:44.960 has elevated his career substantially, right. 0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:47.520 That feels Does that feel as legit? 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:51.440 No? No, it doesn't in the sense because like Sepstraca 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.840 is like a bona fide lock on on the Ryder 0:45:54.840 --> 0:45:59.319 Cup team. It'll be his second Ryder Cup. You know. 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.120 You just start to think about like I think like 0:46:02.360 --> 0:46:07.520 underrated career metrics are like numbers of Ryder Cup or 0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:11.480 President's Cup or teams that you play on, because it 0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:14.000 like showcases, like yeah, I was one of the twelve 0:46:14.000 --> 0:46:17.960 best Europeans for X number of years. When you especially 0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:20.600 when you get to like ten year ten year gaps 0:46:20.640 --> 0:46:22.840 like those are there aren't a ton of players and 0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:27.160 like perfect point Patrick Cantley, Like when you start, you 0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.480 go down his list, like he's going to be on 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.560 the team this year, assuming he is in the top 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:35.400 sixteen of points he's going he's like twelve, he's a lot. 0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:37.600 He's going to be on the team. But like you 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:39.600 started to look at Patrick Cantlay to tie this back 0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.560 to like he's going to have like an insane amount 0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:47.759 of international team appearances. Stepstraca, you know, I don't think 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:50.400 like and I think like major championship wise, like not 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:54.200 every course is for for step right, if you think 0:46:54.239 --> 0:46:56.799 about him, he's a big guy. He doesn't doesn't mash 0:46:56.840 --> 0:47:00.040 it though, and by like he's made like a but 0:47:00.480 --> 0:47:03.120 it's almost like he's optimized his game for the PGA 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:08.680 Tour and not necessarily his game for major championships. And 0:47:08.760 --> 0:47:11.840 I think that's like actually like a legitimate thing that 0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.279 should be talked about more. Is that if you want 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:18.279 to play your best in majors, does that mean you 0:47:18.440 --> 0:47:23.760 approach PGA Tour setups and the way you model your game? 0:47:24.080 --> 0:47:26.839 Maybe because like what Steps figured out is like he's 0:47:26.920 --> 0:47:31.200 dialed back speed. I think he's talked about this and 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:35.640 that's like finding fairways more. But like when it gets tougher. 0:47:36.719 --> 0:47:37.840 Is that a good strategy? 0:47:39.320 --> 0:47:42.400 Yeah, I wouldn't. I'd probably push back that if you 0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:44.960 wanted to optimize for the pj tor, throttle back your 0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:47.839 speed a little bit like that. There's certain setups where 0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:52.240 that's true. But I think the the Rory the Xander 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.760 high speed is going to work everywhere, and especially in majors. 0:47:55.800 --> 0:47:57.920 So if there was a golfer advice, I want to 0:47:57.920 --> 0:48:00.280 do like that, Sorry. 0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:03.040 He doesn't. He doesn't start with like a high like. 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:05.640 I don't think Cepstraca is ever going to like be 0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.320 like a one to eighty five guy, even if he's said. 0:48:08.160 --> 0:48:10.440 It without having his numbers up in front of me. 0:48:10.600 --> 0:48:13.320 I think he's probably living in the one seventy three 0:48:13.360 --> 0:48:16.120 to like one seventy six range, which isn't super slow, 0:48:16.200 --> 0:48:19.440 but it's not super fast like one eighty is when 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:22.719 you start to get too fast. He's not there. But yeah, 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:24.239 I wouldn't if a golfer said, I want to play 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:26.439 really well in PGA Tour events, but not I don't 0:48:26.440 --> 0:48:28.799 care as much about majors. I don't think throttling back 0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:31.279 the speed is necessarily a good strategy, but I hear 0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:34.080 you that that's probably explaining some of the lack of 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:36.600 major championship results. But he does have two top tens 0:48:36.640 --> 0:48:38.319 in majors, they just haven't come in the last couple 0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:40.399 of years. It was in twenty twenty three. He's been 0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.759 in contention in big events. He won the truest he 0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.680 was in. He almost won that TPC south Wind the 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:50.680 Zalatorus playoffs. So I think Cepstraca is a top twenty 0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:52.719 player in the world pretty pretty clearly and could be 0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:56.480 a shining light for Europe in September. But if you're 0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.480 making me take Hovland off the board, I'll say Cepstraca 0:48:59.480 --> 0:49:02.120 has been the most impressive non top guy. 0:49:01.960 --> 0:49:06.400 Win the the Open was he I think he was 0:49:06.440 --> 0:49:09.680 the only one that really ran outside. I mean, Rom 0:49:09.840 --> 0:49:13.000 was just too far back, but Sepp was the one 0:49:13.040 --> 0:49:14.759 that he just made a few to make mistakes. He 0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:20.120 was really impressive in that Harmon Open. When all right, 0:49:20.200 --> 0:49:23.560 what's what's your last one. 0:49:22.600 --> 0:49:25.960 Who wins the Ryder Cup? And maybe this is a 0:49:25.960 --> 0:49:29.000 little crossover from the last couple of conversations we've had, 0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:32.520 but who's a golfer outside of the top couple names 0:49:32.520 --> 0:49:35.560 on each side? But if you had to bet, he's 0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:38.520 going to be a top player for one of the sides. 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:42.080 Take out the Scottie, take out Ron Rory. Who wins 0:49:42.080 --> 0:49:43.400 the Ryder Cup? And who's that player? 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:47.520 All right? I think the Europeans are going to win. Okay, 0:49:48.400 --> 0:49:51.839 I feel like we're due for an away winner. I 0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:54.520 just like I think like one of the things, like you, 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.120 when you looked at Beth Page on the on the schedule, 0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.800 you're like, oh my god, that's just US centric because 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:04.279 of the distance advantage that the US had a couple 0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:06.200 of years ago. But if you start to look at 0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:09.120 the way the teams are shaping shaping up, like the 0:50:09.239 --> 0:50:13.839 European team is just bombers. And if you set up 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:18.520 Beth Page with little rough, like because of the way 0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:23.040 Oakebond screens sit up so often, it is such an 0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:27.840 advantage to be a high long ball hitter. Beth Page, 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:31.520 Beth Page, I mean, my bad. Because of the way 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.799 beth Pages of greens sit up on ridges, it is 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:37.719 so advantage. So if you set it up with thick rough, 0:50:39.040 --> 0:50:42.319 it is playing really into the long hitter's hands. If 0:50:42.320 --> 0:50:44.240 you set it up with short rough, it still plays 0:50:44.239 --> 0:50:46.960 into the long hitters' hands. Right then it becomes just 0:50:47.040 --> 0:50:50.759 like bomb Fest, And I just think about like the 0:50:50.760 --> 0:50:54.120 the Euros in some of the players they have like 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:57.920 on that team, whether it's like the Hoyguard rastless Hoyguard 0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:01.680 really lots of speed, Ludwig you know, kills it. Yeah, 0:51:02.200 --> 0:51:03.960 you just have like a lot of guys. And then 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:05.719 when you start to think about like the guys that 0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:09.279 aren't long hitters. You have Fleetwood who's been like a 0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:12.480 Ryder Cup awesome and Ryder Cup you can pair with 0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:15.239 anybody in the world because he drives it straight and 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:19.960 iron play is extraordinary. Right. You have Stepstraka who kind 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.440 of like he doesn't hit it super far we just 0:51:22.480 --> 0:51:25.200 talked about, hits a lot of faaraways, and he also 0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.279 hits the ball really high with his irons, like a 0:51:28.360 --> 0:51:30.440 good trait in there. And then you start to look 0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:33.440 at the at the American team and you're you're looking 0:51:33.480 --> 0:51:35.440 at the back half of the roster who's won this 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:38.640 year on tour, and it's like, well, like, I don't know, 0:51:38.880 --> 0:51:42.799 like there just aren't the same type of players, right, 0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.640 They're like the people that have won as as the 0:51:45.840 --> 0:51:49.000 Americans this year have been like shorter players like Brian 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:52.600 Harmon wins and and gets into the mix. Right, You've 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:55.240 got Andrew Novak, who's you know, I know what your favorites, 0:51:55.280 --> 0:51:58.520 but not necessarily like a bomber, right he never played 0:51:58.520 --> 0:52:01.520 a Ryder Cup now, like you know, and Russell Henley's 0:52:01.560 --> 0:52:04.000 in the sixth spot. Like Russell Henley is a great player, 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:09.520 but like a poof yeah and more cow is one 0:52:09.560 --> 0:52:12.160 of your like you're bona fide players and he's he's 0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:14.279 not hitting it very far. So like you've got this 0:52:14.400 --> 0:52:16.799 dynamic where like you're looking at the roster and a 0:52:16.840 --> 0:52:19.880 lot can change, but right now it just plays so 0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:23.759 into the European's hands as far as uh, you know, 0:52:23.920 --> 0:52:28.600 player that I think will play well that might surprise uh, 0:52:28.760 --> 0:52:34.560 you know of names like I mean, could Bob McIntyre 0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:37.759 be a name for the Europeans? Plenty of speed in 0:52:37.800 --> 0:52:39.960 the and the you know, if you think about like 0:52:40.040 --> 0:52:42.760 where he's won his tournaments. He won obviously the Scottish, 0:52:42.800 --> 0:52:46.359 he's won, the Canadian like that that Canadian Open set 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:50.000 up last year that he won at was like thick rough. Uh, 0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:53.560 Like I think that could like translate well to to 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:55.840 Beth Page if I was gonna if I was gonna 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:58.240 pick you know one name, which is like an amazing 0:52:58.360 --> 0:53:01.480 thing because like you kind of thought last Ryder Cup 0:53:01.520 --> 0:53:03.600 that was gonna be a one and done Ryder Cup 0:53:03.640 --> 0:53:06.600 appearance for Bob McIntyre, but that would be one for 0:53:06.640 --> 0:53:12.720 the Europeans. For the Americans, Daniel Berger. 0:53:13.440 --> 0:53:14.479 Not a ton of speed there. 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.280 That's where I'm struggling with, like my so my question 0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:22.000 to you was like, what's what's the best case scenario 0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:24.360 for the back half of the US Ryder Cup roster, 0:53:24.480 --> 0:53:28.160 because like, I think this is like a real, a 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:31.439 real situation that they have on their hands right now. 0:53:32.560 --> 0:53:37.200 Yeah, I think the Team USA, the best thing they 0:53:37.239 --> 0:53:41.000 have working in their favor is time that you need 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:44.239 some of these Europeans to regress a little bit and 0:53:44.560 --> 0:53:51.840 hope that some combination of Brooks, Koepka, Wyndham Clark, Sam 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:55.120 Burns and Tony Finow show a little bit of something 0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:57.440 over the next couple months. Because, as you are alluding to, 0:53:57.480 --> 0:53:59.520 and it's one of the biggest stories of this Ryder Cup, 0:54:00.239 --> 0:54:03.560 Team USA doesn't have a ton of speed and there's 0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:05.399 not really a way to set up Beth Page where 0:54:05.440 --> 0:54:09.279 you mitigate speed too much. Like we're talking, I think 0:54:09.280 --> 0:54:12.960 it's sometimes relevant to call out the exact speed that 0:54:12.960 --> 0:54:15.960 we're talking, Like Brian Harmon and Russell Henley are like 0:54:16.040 --> 0:54:20.880 one sixty eight ball speed. They are really short and 0:54:21.160 --> 0:54:23.239 they they're great ball strikers and they can play. But 0:54:23.920 --> 0:54:26.239 there's not a lot of speed on the American side. 0:54:26.440 --> 0:54:28.680 As you've mentioned. Colin Morricala one of the top guys, 0:54:28.760 --> 0:54:31.000 like not a, He's like a one seventy four one 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:34.360 seventy five ball speed guy. Russell Henley's gonna be on 0:54:34.400 --> 0:54:36.759 the team and he will be a fine contributor. But 0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:40.879 to me, the best possible outcome for Team USA this 0:54:40.920 --> 0:54:42.960 is being held in September. It'd be nice if it 0:54:43.000 --> 0:54:47.279 was held next, you know, July. Like they need as 0:54:47.400 --> 0:54:49.839 much time as possible. Obviously you can't delay the event. 0:54:50.000 --> 0:54:52.960 I'm not being serious about that, but you need Europe 0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:56.840 to cool off a little bit. Matt Fitzpatrick is sneaky 0:54:57.400 --> 0:54:59.840 rounding into form a little bit like Team Europe is 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:04.560 taking shape and struck at all these guys. Hovelin's potentially 0:55:04.560 --> 0:55:06.880 a little rebound like Tyro Hatton's been a great player. 0:55:06.960 --> 0:55:09.440 So I'm with you. This feels like a coin flip. 0:55:10.480 --> 0:55:13.880 I mean, if you go further down the Europeans. Like 0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:16.760 someone who's been really impressive on the on the European 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:23.359 tour is Rasmus Neerguard. Peterson nukes the ball like insanely long. 0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:27.279 Like all almost all of the young guys and the 0:55:27.360 --> 0:55:31.680 European young players are very long, right, they are, like 0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:34.319 you think about like both the hoy Guards, like the 0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:38.720 rookies that they can bring in are are just they're 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:42.319 just different players than you know, like Nicholas nor Guard 0:55:42.480 --> 0:55:44.560 is another example very long. 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:48.400 And your point Bobby McIntyre. He's been excellent off of 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:50.360 the tea this year and he's got some speed. 0:55:50.200 --> 0:55:52.759 So yeah, I mean he's like he he touches like 0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:54.040 what one eighty If I. 0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:56.680 Close to it, yeah, I think he's like nine. Yeah, 0:55:56.800 --> 0:55:57.759 and that's right in there. 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:00.840 That'd be at the at the top, which is crazy 0:56:00.960 --> 0:56:04.759 when you consider whistling straight where we're at. And the 0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:08.160 the big thing here is like unless brooks Kopka plays 0:56:08.200 --> 0:56:12.680 well and maybe both of the remaining majors, he's not 0:56:12.680 --> 0:56:15.719 gonna be on the team. But like this is what 0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:18.360 you're talking what you're talking about here is like really 0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:22.960 like a replacement there Dustin Johnson and Brooks Koepka in 0:56:23.000 --> 0:56:26.200 twenty twenty one were prolific off the T players, like 0:56:27.360 --> 0:56:30.960 top of the top of the world off the T players, 0:56:31.400 --> 0:56:34.279 and effectively what's happened is like you're replacing them with 0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:36.880 players like Russell Henley and Brian Harmon. 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.200 How nuts would things have to get for you to 0:56:40.239 --> 0:56:43.640 consider Dustin Johnson. He's playing horribly right now, will say 0:56:44.040 --> 0:56:46.560 he's been He's actually been pretty good off of the tea. 0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:48.879 I think there's almost no world where he ends up on. 0:56:48.840 --> 0:56:52.640 The team whatsoever. If he'd have to win, he has 0:56:52.680 --> 0:56:54.520 to win one of the two majors. 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:57.000 If you finish his top five at Oakmont, are you 0:56:57.160 --> 0:56:59.560 like at least thinking about him as a fringe pick. 0:57:00.080 --> 0:57:02.040 I think he has to finish top five at the 0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:05.360 last Like to me, like where Brooks this is like 0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:08.560 the it's not like my bar. My bar would be 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:13.000 different than the Keegan Bradley's bar because like they live 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:13.960 like Bryson's in. 0:57:15.080 --> 0:57:16.840 Yeah, yeah, Bryson is. 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:20.040 Without a doubt in. But that's because he's literally contended 0:57:20.600 --> 0:57:24.800 in every major except for the Open Championship the last 0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.120 year and a half. Right, He's been in the mix. 0:57:28.120 --> 0:57:31.400 It's like that's what made it for for Brooks or 0:57:31.480 --> 0:57:35.919 DJ or anybody else from Live like Patrick Patrick Reed, 0:57:36.240 --> 0:57:39.520 who's won at beth Page without speed, Which is an 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:43.520 important point. But for any of those players to be considered, 0:57:44.400 --> 0:57:47.680 they have to do insurmountably great things. 0:57:49.400 --> 0:57:51.720 I agree, but I mean the tm USA is pretty 0:57:51.720 --> 0:57:53.920 desperate on the back end. I'm not I would not 0:57:53.960 --> 0:57:57.880 be considering Dustin Johnson right now. But it's a little leak. 0:57:57.960 --> 0:58:00.640 It's it's gonna be a I don't mean to be disrespectful, 0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:04.160 it's gonna be a Ben Griffin somebody of that type 0:58:04.160 --> 0:58:06.240 of name. I mean, speed may not even make the team. 0:58:06.400 --> 0:58:08.920 I mean, Speak's thirty first in points right. 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.840 Now, and some of that's those are handout points from 0:58:11.880 --> 0:58:14.840 signature events, sponsor exemptions that he wouldn't even he'd be lower. 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.720 So if we say Harris English, I think is like 0:58:18.840 --> 0:58:21.760 actually like a great player for that he should be. 0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:24.680 He's seventh to points. It's like we're in a world 0:58:24.720 --> 0:58:28.080 where Harris English is like, all right, that is like 0:58:28.120 --> 0:58:30.000 a guy that might be playing all five. 0:58:30.280 --> 0:58:33.520 And he's got some speed too, He's got that one 0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:34.920 seventy eight. He's a flusher. 0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:39.680 He is he is a flusher like Harris English, great 0:58:39.720 --> 0:58:42.439 player for them, but you know he won Tory, which 0:58:42.480 --> 0:58:45.200 is like I think, a pretty fair account for Bethpage. 0:58:46.600 --> 0:58:51.760 Novak is probably in the way he's been playing, not a. 0:58:51.720 --> 0:58:53.680 Ton of speed. We need he needs to do something 0:58:53.720 --> 0:58:55.600 in one of the next less let's. 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:57.960 Just say we cut it at Matt McNeely at nine, 0:58:58.040 --> 0:58:59.800 who's a top ten player in the world in the 0:59:00.160 --> 0:59:04.520 FGR But but anyways, we've got then Harmon Spawn can't Lay, 0:59:04.960 --> 0:59:12.080 Griffin Berger, Feenal Hogy Glover Keegan, Wendy Clark, Billy Horsechell, 0:59:12.080 --> 0:59:16.800 who's unavailable. That's that gets you. It's twenty and it's 0:59:16.840 --> 0:59:19.880 like you're looking at that and it's like if I'm 0:59:19.960 --> 0:59:22.680 if I'm adjusting for course fit so can't lay. We're 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:25.360 saying is in that's ten. Oh yeah, then you got 0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:28.680 two spots. You get two spots. It's got to be 0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:30.200 like fenw and Wyndham Clark. 0:59:31.320 --> 0:59:33.040 I don't think you can take Wyndam Clark right now. 0:59:33.080 --> 0:59:35.800 He's been absolutely horrific. I do think I think for 0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:39.120 now he's he's actually hitting it really well off the 0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:41.720 tee and is a good fit. He's been bad this year, 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:45.280 pretty bad, But I would if my life depends on 0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:47.640 Team USA winning and that's how you should view it. 0:59:47.640 --> 0:59:51.400 As if you're the captain of TIMSA, I'd probably feel 0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:53.480 pretty good about having Tony Few on the team. 0:59:55.000 --> 0:59:58.080 I think I think, like there's no way you can 0:59:58.120 --> 1:00:00.880 go to beth Page without him because of like just 1:00:00.960 --> 1:00:04.280 the sheer course fit. You need a player like him 1:00:04.560 --> 1:00:06.360 with your current roster makeup. 1:00:07.800 --> 1:00:09.240 And I mean he has a great short game that 1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:12.160 the potter can be. Yeah, I think Tony Finow in 1:00:12.440 --> 1:00:15.800 most normal years should not be considered because his form 1:00:15.880 --> 1:00:18.000 is not anywhere close to what should be on the 1:00:18.000 --> 1:00:20.440 Team USA Ryder Cup. They should be stacked. But he's 1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:23.520 a legitimate consideration. I think Oakmont Andy is going to 1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:28.680 be an extremely important delineation between these Griffins. No Andrew Novak, 1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:32.640 Tony Fenow, some of those speef. Those guys have to 1:00:32.680 --> 1:00:33.480 make their case there. 1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:36.960 You know, you know who could be the savior for 1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:39.600 the US team. 1:00:40.040 --> 1:00:41.600 I think you're about You're about to throw out an 1:00:41.640 --> 1:00:43.760 insane name. Michael Block. 1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:48.240 He's number thirty four in the points. Cam Young perfect 1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:48.760 course fit. 1:00:49.640 --> 1:00:51.120 It is a good it is a good course fit 1:00:51.160 --> 1:00:51.720 for cam Yo. 1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:55.360 Never say no, just these just these to get hot 1:00:55.400 --> 1:00:58.720 for a couple of weeks Oakmont. 1:00:59.080 --> 1:01:01.160 Well, he's gonna win the right mortgage. So I don't 1:01:01.200 --> 1:01:03.040 know how much stock you put in the Rocket mortgage, 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:05.040 but he is going to win the Rocket mortgage, maybe 1:01:05.040 --> 1:01:05.520 by five. 1:01:05.640 --> 1:01:08.080 So it's Cam dam he's got to beat down. He's 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:10.919 gonna he's got to look down the barrel at Cam 1:01:11.000 --> 1:01:12.240 Davis and take him down. 1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:19.520 It'll be Ricky Fowler, Cam Davis and Cam Young split 1:01:19.600 --> 1:01:21.920 teas on Sunday at Rocket Mortgage. And I think Cam 1:01:21.960 --> 1:01:23.360 Young could make a good case. 1:01:24.040 --> 1:01:26.760 For anybody that hasn't listened to Joseph on this pod 1:01:26.800 --> 1:01:30.080 for the last couple of years. He has a a uh, 1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:34.800 I would say, you know, a fascination with with the 1:01:34.840 --> 1:01:39.959 potential of Cam Cam Davis and Cam uh uh Cam Young. 1:01:40.520 --> 1:01:43.760 So less less fascination over the last twelve months with 1:01:43.840 --> 1:01:46.600 Cam Young and a little bit more self pity. But 1:01:46.920 --> 1:01:50.480 I'm we might we might be back. We're showing some signs. 1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:54.840 All right, We'll leave you that. Joseph, What do you 1:01:54.840 --> 1:01:57.680 got coming this week for your weekly column? Everybody should 1:01:57.680 --> 1:02:00.720 be checking it out every Wednesday weekly Colin, you know 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:04.160 the social charts. I always get people going more people 1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:08.480 should read read the column before commenting on the social chart. 1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:13.120 That's just you know, a really fun Internet exercise is 1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:15.440 to read the column and then read the comments on 1:02:15.480 --> 1:02:18.320 the on the social graph to see who didn't read 1:02:18.360 --> 1:02:20.880 the article and just like has made ridiculous comment. 1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:24.160 I kind of disagree, Andy, because part of what gets 1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:27.760 the social engagement is quick comments. You start to get 1:02:27.920 --> 1:02:30.040 the you know, the graphic starts to pick up steam 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:32.920 and the algorithm. So I'm fine with people commenting right 1:02:32.960 --> 1:02:35.080 away and not necessarily reading the article. I hope they 1:02:35.080 --> 1:02:36.640 eventually read it. But if you want to fire a 1:02:36.720 --> 1:02:39.040 quick response to the graphic, I'm fine with that. I 1:02:39.040 --> 1:02:42.280 think this week I'm doing Team Europe how they're shaping 1:02:42.360 --> 1:02:44.520 up right now for the Ryder Cup, So appropriate with 1:02:44.520 --> 1:02:47.120 this conversation listing out the you know who's on the bubble, 1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:50.360 who are the locks? And then a little memorial talk 1:02:50.480 --> 1:02:52.760 huge fan of Mirfield Village, so there'll be a little 1:02:52.760 --> 1:02:53.680 bit in there about that. 1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:56.960 Who's your favorite on the bubble name for the Europeans. 1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:00.400 I think a provocative one might be somebody like a 1:03:00.440 --> 1:03:03.040 Lori Canter who will probably not make the team, but 1:03:04.440 --> 1:03:06.640 you know he's he's actually been like a very good 1:03:06.680 --> 1:03:08.280 golfer over the last year. I don't think he's been 1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:10.760 on the team. We could talk he should. 1:03:10.480 --> 1:03:14.240 Be the diplomat just because he's he's worked all sides, 1:03:15.000 --> 1:03:18.360 all sides of the of the of the the world 1:03:18.360 --> 1:03:20.800 of golf right now. He has an experience on the live, 1:03:21.400 --> 1:03:23.560 he's got experience on the europe to where he's playing 1:03:23.600 --> 1:03:25.160 a few PGA Tour events. 1:03:25.560 --> 1:03:26.320 Yeah, he's seen. 1:03:26.480 --> 1:03:28.560 He's a diplomat. Uh No. 1:03:28.960 --> 1:03:32.640 True favorite, I would say is Matt Fitzpatrick, who has 1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:35.440 I think actually does model pretty well for Beth Page 1:03:35.440 --> 1:03:37.720 and the win at Brookline. They're not the same type 1:03:37.720 --> 1:03:40.120 of golf course, but I think Matt Fitzpatrick likes those 1:03:40.160 --> 1:03:42.240 types of setups honestly great. 1:03:42.440 --> 1:03:46.120 I think a pretty good comp uh is Brookline similar 1:03:46.320 --> 1:03:49.360 Like the way the greens sit up is really like 1:03:49.400 --> 1:03:53.160 the topography really good match for in the way that 1:03:53.360 --> 1:03:56.080 you know the greens a way better, way better greens 1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:59.560 at at Brookline than than Beth Page which are just 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:01.320 kind of like flat circles. 1:04:01.960 --> 1:04:06.120 Yeah, I think bet Fitzpatrick will be a very to 1:04:06.240 --> 1:04:08.160 make a prediction, I think he will be a key 1:04:08.400 --> 1:04:11.120 contributor to Team Europe at Beth Page. So he's probably 1:04:11.120 --> 1:04:13.080 on the bubble right now. I don't think currently forty 1:04:13.120 --> 1:04:16.520 one in the point the points, whatever the points. 1:04:16.640 --> 1:04:22.560 He's behind Sammy Valmachi, ahead of Francesco Laporta, who sounds 1:04:22.640 --> 1:04:27.200 more like a Mets like utility player than a golfer. 1:04:29.480 --> 1:04:31.360 Fitzi's been hitting it really well off the tea this 1:04:31.440 --> 1:04:34.160 year actually, and his iron play has turned around a 1:04:34.200 --> 1:04:36.680 lot in the last his last four starts so or 1:04:36.720 --> 1:04:38.640 three starts really one of them iss Zouri Classic. I 1:04:38.640 --> 1:04:41.440 wouldn't count that, but three signature events or and the 1:04:41.440 --> 1:04:43.680 PGA Championship. Coming off of T eight at the PGA, 1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:46.200 think he will likely have a good week at Mirefield 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:48.560 Village this week and kind of solidify why he should 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:51.800 be on the team, not solidify, but make significant progress 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:52.800 towards being on that team. 1:04:53.600 --> 1:04:57.560 All right, Joseph, we'll talk soon and look forward to 1:04:57.600 --> 1:05:01.240 reading your work on the Friday dot Com. 1:05:01.400 --> 1:05:01.880 Sounds good. 1:05:01.880 --> 1:05:15.320 Thanks Andy, all right, big thanks to PJ. 1:05:15.520 --> 1:05:19.200 Clark for editing and producing this podcast. Also big thanks 1:05:19.200 --> 1:05:22.120 to you guys for listening. Uh, we'll be back next week. 1:05:22.160 --> 1:05:25.080 We're gonna do a big okemon the golf. We're going 1:05:25.160 --> 1:05:28.040 to focus in on the golf course, so I'm excited 1:05:28.080 --> 1:05:31.880 about that. That'll be next week's show. And as we 1:05:31.880 --> 1:05:35.360 we get we're right right there basically at the US 1:05:35.480 --> 1:05:40.200 Open again, and uh yeah, thank you and we'll talk soon.