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Speaker 1: Wake that answer up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is the j n V. Charlamagne the guy. We

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Speaker 2: are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest in

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Speaker 2: the building, doctor Joseph Puma.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Welcome, Thank you for having me here. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 4: Doctor Joseph Puma, I've been telling you all about this

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Speaker 4: souring medical scan. I didn't know. That's not what it's called.

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Speaker 4: It's souring heart skin heart skink at Soorn Medical. But

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Speaker 4: tell people what sorring medical is first, Doctor Pumer.

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Speaker 5: Soren Medical is a cardiovascular medical practice. We have offices

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Speaker 5: throughout four of the five boroughs UH. Generally we provide

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Speaker 5: care in underserved communities where what often called health deserts.

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Speaker 5: There's no hospitals or not many physicians around, and we

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Speaker 5: try and meet patients who need out care where they live.

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Speaker 4: And I told y'all I've had every cardiovascular test there

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Speaker 4: is to have over the past few months. I had

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Speaker 4: name some of them. That was the EKGs. What are

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Speaker 4: some of the tests?

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Speaker 3: I think you had stress tests before you came to us.

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Speaker 3: You had a calcium score.

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Speaker 4: Calcium score and yours absolutely not only was the best,

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Speaker 4: it's the one that put my mind at ease the most. Well,

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Speaker 4: thank you, especially after I got those results back.

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Speaker 1: But why are they.

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Speaker 4: Important for people of color to get their heart tested regularly?

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Speaker 5: So it's important for people of color to get their

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Speaker 5: heart tested period and not regularly because one of the

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Speaker 5: challenges is they're not regularly getting they're heart tested.

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Speaker 3: People of color.

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Speaker 5: Have a almost one and a half to two times

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Speaker 5: the rate of death from heart disease. They get the

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Speaker 5: risk factors for heart disease, high blood pressure. They often

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Speaker 5: develop high blood pressure at an earlier age. It's more

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Speaker 5: difficult to treat. They have diabetes at a higher rate,

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Speaker 5: also a risk factor for heart disease. When they have

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Speaker 5: heart attacks, their outcomes are worse. They have a forty

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Speaker 5: percent increased chance of dying from a heart attack as

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Speaker 5: compared to whites in America, and they often have much

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Speaker 5: higher rates seventy percent higher rates of congestive heart failure,

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Speaker 5: which is very disabling, and they developed that often at

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Speaker 5: an earlier age.

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Speaker 2: Well, how can people get tested? Not how can they

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Speaker 2: test it? Of course, but you know they tell you

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Speaker 2: at forty five years old, you get a colonoscopy. They

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Speaker 2: tell you at this age you do this At what

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Speaker 2: age should people be checking their heart? And you know,

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Speaker 2: I go to my doctor, you know, twice a year

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Speaker 2: for checkups, and that one time has he said, all right,

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Speaker 2: well you need to check out your heart or there

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Speaker 2: as certain signs where maybe.

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Speaker 1: People say you should check out your heart.

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Speaker 2: Are certain signs where they should do certain things, or

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Speaker 2: should they be at a particular age where this is

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Speaker 2: where you should start doing it more and more and more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's a great question.

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Speaker 5: So the answer to that question, I think depends on

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Speaker 5: whether you have symptoms or no symptoms. If you have

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Speaker 5: symptoms of discomfort in your chest, shortness of breath, more

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Speaker 5: easy fatigue, not able to do the usual level of exercise, dizziness, lightheadedness,

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Speaker 5: doesn't matter what age you are, you should be tested

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Speaker 5: because let's you remember, heart disease is the number one

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Speaker 5: killer in America. And even though over the last forty

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Speaker 5: years the rate of death from heart disease has come down,

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Speaker 5: it has not come down for the black community. All

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Speaker 5: those gains have been in the white community. So second,

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Speaker 5: if you're not necessarily symptomatic, okay, overall, you're working, you

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Speaker 5: feel good, but you're forty and older as a man

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Speaker 5: or fifty year older as a woman, and you've smoked,

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Speaker 5: have a family history of heart disease, have high blood pressure, diabetes,

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Speaker 5: are high cholesterol, then you should be tested prior to

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Speaker 5: the soaring heart scan or cats scanning in general of

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Speaker 5: the heart. The only test we had to determine if

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Speaker 5: you had heart disease was a stress test, but that's

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Speaker 5: not nearly as accurate and doesn't define the heart arteries

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Speaker 5: as Charlemagne. When you came in, we sent you images

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Speaker 5: of your heart arteries. We gave you a risk assessment,

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Speaker 5: but and it's costly. Stress testing almost ten times the

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Speaker 5: course of a cat skin. But cat scanning now takes

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Speaker 5: four minutes or less. If you come into our office

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Speaker 5: less than fifteen minutes of your total time, and you

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Speaker 5: have a fully accurate, greater than ninety seven percent accuracy

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Speaker 5: of your heart anatomy, whether there's blockage, calcium, any disruption

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Speaker 5: that could potentially cause a problem later on in life.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask, So you know, you

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Speaker 2: go to the dentist, you have a cavity, they can

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Speaker 2: fix it right, flaus it whatever, colonoscope they clean your

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Speaker 2: butt out right, So now they know you know what

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Speaker 2: he knows what I mean. You know, they clean it out,

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Speaker 2: they cut off the polyps.

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Speaker 1: You know what it is.

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Speaker 2: So if there is a problem with your heart, what

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Speaker 2: are the procedures to can it be done right then?

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Speaker 1: And there?

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Speaker 4: Talk that talk doctor Pumber, This is good. Just just

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Speaker 4: move me away when you told me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So, nationally, Medicare is now approved putting heart stents right

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Speaker 5: in the office in appropriate facilities. Uh. New York State

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Speaker 5: has not yet approved that, but our center down in

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Speaker 5: Lower Manhattan is built for that, and we have the

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Speaker 5: latest technology and cardiac cathization labs where you could have

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Speaker 5: a stent put right in at that time.

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Speaker 3: So a stent, a stent is a.

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Speaker 5: Metal scaffold that when you have a blockage in your

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Speaker 5: artery through an artery in your wrist, we put a

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Speaker 5: catheter up into the heart and then over a wire

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Speaker 5: through the catheter, we can pass a metal stent over

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Speaker 5: a balloon and dilate it and clear.

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Speaker 3: Away the blockage.

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Speaker 1: So the stint doesn't stay inside of it was just

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Speaker 1: it just cleans out.

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Speaker 3: It stays inside you. It does stay and becomes part

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Speaker 3: of the artery wall.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you have a piece of metal in you

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Speaker 2: so every time you go through tsa metal detector you.

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Speaker 3: It won't go off.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it doesn't.

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Speaker 5: millimeters usually, but no, it doesn't set off metal detectors.

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Speaker 3: You can use your microwave.

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Speaker 5: But it's the most common treatment for blocked arteries in

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Speaker 4: Can you explain to people what causes heart attacks and strokes?

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Speaker 3: Sure, that's a that's a great question.

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Speaker 5: And I think and I think that it's not only

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Speaker 5: a great, great question, great question in general, because it's

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Speaker 5: the leading cause of death, but in the black community,

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Speaker 5: the risk of it is so much higher. I know, Charlomage,

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Speaker 5: you're you're from South Carolina. I told you my family.

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Speaker 5: difficult to control, less likely for African Americans to control

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Speaker 5: from that elevated pressure over time causes either a blood

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Speaker 5: it just ruptures.

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Speaker 3: Same thing with heart.

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Speaker 5: Attacks or similar At least over time, the body builds

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Speaker 5: up plaque in the arteries. Plaque is just cholesterol and calcium.

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Speaker 5: Some of it's from our diet, some of it's genetic,

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Speaker 5: some of it is accelerated if you have diabetes. In fact,

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Speaker 5: if you have diabetes, you have a three times higher

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Speaker 5: doesn't have diabetes. So if you have diabetes, that ought

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Speaker 5: to be like a flashing neon sign, I need to

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Speaker 5: see a cardiologist. And in communities of color, when they

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Speaker 5: have high blood pressure and they have diabetes, when they

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Speaker 5: usually have worse outcomes, a higher risk of dying from it,

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Speaker 5: and if they survive, they're more likely to have a

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Speaker 5: lower functional status, to be in congestive heart failure, or

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Speaker 5: to have physical abnormalities that they're not able to do

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Speaker 2: I was going to ask it, you know, so for

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Speaker 2: things that you're talking about. So when you talk of diabetes,

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Speaker 2: high blood pressure, high cholesterol, or there's symptoms besides going

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Speaker 2: to the doctor's something that people should look out for.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people in our community are scared to

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Speaker 2: go to the doctor or can't afford to, don't have insurance.

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Speaker 2: So what are some of the signs that they should

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Speaker 2: look at. Let's start with diabetes. What is a sign

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Speaker 2: of diabetes that people should look out for.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's a great question.

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Speaker 3: DJ Envy. First of all, I would say.

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Speaker 5: Healthcare should not be just for or people will well

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Speaker 5: off for people who have insurance.

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Speaker 3: Healthcare should be a right in this country.

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Speaker 5: There's no reason are There's just no reason why we

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Speaker 5: should treat any not treat any human being that needs

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Speaker 5: our help. Right, and if you come to any one

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Speaker 5: their ability to pay.

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Speaker 3: So that's number one. Number two.

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Speaker 5: High blood pressure and diabetes both when we're in medical

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Speaker 5: school where taught, they're called the silent killers because they

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Speaker 5: often don't have symptoms. Okay, but when they do. If

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Speaker 3: Need to go to a doctor.

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Speaker 5: You can go to any pharmacy even and they have

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Speaker 5: a blood pressure cuff there usually yep, and they'll check

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Speaker 5: your blood pressure. So simple screening for that. And remember

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Speaker 5: get a screening for blood pressure. Diabetes also very elusive

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Speaker 5: in terms of symptoms. Often the first symptoms a diabetic

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Speaker 5: will feel is that they're very thirsty or they're urinating

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Speaker 5: They often feel weak, have a brain fog, they just

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Speaker 5: never feel clear. And again simple pinprick of your finger

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Speaker 5: can tell you if your sugar is high or low

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Speaker 5: that you probably do need to go to a doctor

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Speaker 5: to have that check. Where simple blood tests. But the

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Speaker 5: bigger point is simple screening things or just self awareness.

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Speaker 3: You bring up fear. Fear is a big issue. Fear

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Speaker 3: is a big issue for many people. People don't come

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Speaker 5: It's it's not like I don't know if you're married

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Speaker 5: or you have kids, but you know.

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Speaker 4: You remember when you both married, you met my wife.

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Speaker 3: I can't bring that up again.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Carolinas, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I can't bring that up again.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, but you remember, like the first time you're

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Speaker 5: it's an exciting time. When people come to me, they're scared.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure what's going on. They may not feel well,

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Speaker 5: they may have a family history.

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Speaker 3: So we have we have to deal with that fear.

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Speaker 5: One of the ways you deal with that fear is

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Speaker 5: by bringing health care to them, as opposed to saying, here,

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Speaker 4: have the test. It's to images of your coronary heart arteries,

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Speaker 2: You need to sign me up. You know, I'm kind

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Speaker 4: Everybody needs to go do this, man, I've had too

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm going as soon as I can, and I

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much, doctor Joseph Pumer. It's the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, wake that answer up in the morning.

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