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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. Well, every time I hear that song American Pie,

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Speaker 1: I think of this tragedy, this incredible story. How did

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Speaker 1: you get interested in it? You know, I was never

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Speaker 1: a Buddy Holly fan. It's just the strangest thing the

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Speaker 1: way I was drawn into this. My mother in law,

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Speaker 1: her seventy fifth birthday said she wanted to go to

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Speaker 1: the reenactment of the Winter Dance Party. Well, I thought

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Speaker 1: the Winter Dance Party, knowing her age must have been

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Speaker 1: But I later found on found out that she was

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Speaker 1: just a rabid Buddy Holly fan and I didn't know it.

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Speaker 1: And so we went to the reenactments. It was a

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Speaker 1: There was a performer by name of John Mueller who

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Speaker 1: the Winter Dance Party, And you know, I sat through

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Speaker 1: the evening and it was it was great music and

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Speaker 1: and John Mueller came out as Buddy Holly and it

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Speaker 1: was great. But nothing really tripped my trigger excited me

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Speaker 1: till at the very end of the show, John announced

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Speaker 1: Buddy that he had written, and my first thought was,

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Speaker 1: you know, I ruined a beautiful night and interjects something

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Speaker 1: When it ended, my wife looked over me and she

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Speaker 1: What's wrong? And I said, I don't know. And you know,

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Speaker 1: from that moment, Dawn, I was just almost on a

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Speaker 1: session to learn more about Buddy Holly, learn more about

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Speaker 1: and I determined that I wasn't going to write about

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Speaker 1: the crash. I thought there's enough written about that. I

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Speaker 1: just want to write about, you know who Buddy Holly was,

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Speaker 1: try to find stories that people hadn't written about. But

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Speaker 1: I ended up speaking to Barbed Dwyer, who was the

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Speaker 1: wife of Jerry Dwyer, the man who owned the charter

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Speaker 1: service and one sentence that she said to me drew

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Speaker 1: me to the crash, and in my analysis of it,

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Speaker 1: I got to tell you it was an incredible story.

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Speaker 1: I was only nine when this thing all happened, so

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Speaker 1: I was way too young to really understand it. But

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Speaker 1: later on I began to realize, you know, this was

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Speaker 1: a huge story. And I've seen pictures of the plane.

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Speaker 1: It is so mangled. Yes, it's a wonder they all

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Speaker 1: wasn't the big bopper? Was he the one who was

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Speaker 1: like tossed thirty feet away from everybody else? Yeah, actually

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Speaker 1: and uh, and very scantily dressed. Most of his clothes

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Speaker 1: had been removed, which seemed shocking he would be so

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Speaker 1: far away and be undressed, But crash investigators will tell

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Speaker 1: surprising at all. Didn't they also find a handgun somewhere?

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Speaker 1: They did? They did. They didn't find the handgun until

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Speaker 1: convinced at this point, Gary, that what happened was pilot's error.

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Speaker 1: I am convinced it's pilot's error. Yes, it's it's you know,

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Speaker 1: I spent six years of my life as a charter operator,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing. Uh. I actually received hate mail and threatening mail.

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Speaker 1: Why well, I took the position in in my books

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Speaker 1: was pilot error and and I we we we lay

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Speaker 1: out the exact you know, every scenario of the crash,

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Speaker 1: guess lobby. I'd call it for Jerry Dwyer. Jerry as

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Speaker 1: Yet he put a twenty one year old, unqualified and

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Speaker 1: You know, my analysis was everybody was surprised that they

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Speaker 1: and it even took off. Oh, absolutely, absolutely, It's just uh,

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Speaker 1: He spent the whole day with the pilot, checking the weather,

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Speaker 1: my years of operating a charter service, I never did that.

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Speaker 1: Why so many conspiracy theories Gary about the crash? Well,

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Speaker 1: you know better than anyone that certainly there are conspiracy

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Speaker 1: Buddy Holly Story at seventy eight. By the way, Yeah absolutely,

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Speaker 1: in together. But mangle, mangled, it doesn't look like a plane. No,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you a story. Where were the bodies in

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Speaker 1: They found Buddy and Polly and Richie Vallen's were maybe

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Speaker 1: conspiracy theories are popping up all he absolutely, I mean

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Speaker 1: And and there had never been anything, uh in our memory,

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Speaker 1: they just it was such a shocking death, it just

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