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Speaker 2: couple of NBA notes here. The Pistons have dropped fifteen
Speaker 2: consecutive playoff games. That's the longest postseason losing streak in
Speaker 2: NBA history. The last time Detroit won a playoff game
Speaker 2: May twenty six of eight against the Celtics.
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Speaker 2: fifty one point win, the largest in a playoff game
Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen. But John Morant vows that it'll be
Speaker 2: different Game two, which is you know comforting to hear.
Speaker 2: If I'm a Memphis fan. You imagine if he said
Speaker 2: I don't know, it might be the same coming up
Speaker 2: game two. You know, it's weird to say somebody is
Speaker 2: in a must win situation, and we talk about this
Speaker 2: a lot must win situation. Now, I feel like every
Speaker 2: year is a must win situation for Lebron because Lebron
Speaker 2: is chasing the ultimate goal, and that is to be
Speaker 2: the greatest player in NBA history, and the only way
Speaker 2: he accomplishes that is to win at least one more championship. Now,
Speaker 2: another player, and I think he's in a must win
Speaker 2: situation is Jimmy Butler. Because Jimmy Butler wanted out of Miami,
Speaker 2: goes to Golden State. He's playoff Jimmy. You can wipe
Speaker 2: away of the mess that you know he left in Miami.
Speaker 2: And you imagine if he helps lead Golden State to
Speaker 2: another championship, which means Steph Curry gets another championship, which
Speaker 2: means he moves up the totem pole. But I think
Speaker 2: the must win and I would put that in parentheses
Speaker 2: but not capital letters, but must have a great end
Speaker 2: result here, maybe you get to the the NBA Finals,
Speaker 2: maybe you get to the Western Conference finals, but this
Speaker 2: is why they bring you in. You're different in the postseason.
Speaker 2: But I would think that those two if Boston doesn't
Speaker 2: win it this year, I don't think Jalen Brown and
Speaker 2: Jason Tatum are in a must win situation. I don't
Speaker 2: think Donovan Mitchell's in it must win. Now you can
Speaker 2: say Shay gilgis because he's going to be the MVP
Speaker 2: and we've seen you know that in previous years. Hey,
Speaker 2: what did you do in your MVP season? Because if
Speaker 2: Shay Gilges just doesn't go to the NBA Finals, I
Speaker 2: think the voters will go, we gave it to you.
Speaker 2: We want to see you prove it. You've got to
Speaker 2: do it again, but we want you to do that,
Speaker 2: then we'll reward you the following season. I mean, they
Speaker 2: did this to Joker Jannis. I don't think anybody is
Speaker 2: expecting anything out of Giannis. But if you're looking at
Speaker 2: must win situations, I would say probably Lebron because he's
Speaker 2: chasing Mike and Jimmy Butler because he has a history
Speaker 2: of you know, wearing out his welcome. Steph, you know,
Speaker 2: how many more years do you get this opportunity Draymond.
Speaker 2: How many more years do you get this opportunity of
Speaker 2: maybe playing for a championship And the key is Jimmy,
Speaker 2: because Steph's going to be great. I mean, Draymond will
Speaker 2: still do what he does, good and bad. You got
Speaker 2: to get the you know, younger players to contribute, but
Speaker 2: you got a chance to maybe play for another champ
Speaker 2: And I would say that Jimmy is in a must
Speaker 2: winnish situation along with Lebron chasing Mike.
Speaker 5: Yes, Marvin, I'm gonna take Lebron off that list only
Speaker 5: because I don't think he can get to where Mike is.
Speaker 5: But Jimmy Butler to me is the one seed only
Speaker 5: because of how it ended in Miami and the go
Speaker 5: to Golden State with Stephen. With Draymond, I think they've
Speaker 5: got to do it, and I think it's got to
Speaker 5: be this year because since he's gotten there, they've played great.
Speaker 5: Their seating is misleading. I don't mean for that, Ryan, Okay,
Speaker 5: Their seating is misleading only because before he got there,
Speaker 5: they were uh like on the cusp of you know,
Speaker 5: the seventh seed. But since he's gotten there, I think
Speaker 5: they're like twenty four and seven.
Speaker 2: Wait, you don't think that there If Lebron wins another title, no,
Speaker 2: like he can't, he can't surpass Michael Jordan.
Speaker 4: No, I don't know, only only.
Speaker 2: If he let Okay, let's just say he wins another title.
Speaker 2: At that age, now he's one less than Mike. I
Speaker 2: know Mike never lost the NBA Finals, but Mike didn't
Speaker 2: play in as many finals as Lebron did. Who did
Speaker 2: lose NBA finals, You'd have a hard time convincing me
Speaker 2: greatest basketball career of all time. And maybe that's not
Speaker 2: fair to say it that way, because I would put
Speaker 2: Kareem in there as having the greatest basketball career of
Speaker 2: all time. I think he lost one or two games
Speaker 2: in high school. How many games he lose in college?
Speaker 2: He didn't get to play his freshman year they won
Speaker 2: all three national championships when he lose two games. And
Speaker 2: then you go into the NBA and yes, did he
Speaker 2: get to a point where he's overshadowed by Oscar as
Speaker 2: his point guard and then Magic as his point gude, Yes,
Speaker 2: that happens to the big man because they need, you know, facilitator.
Speaker 2: You'd be hard pressed to convince me that Mike is
Speaker 2: a better basketball player than Lebron. If Lebron wins a
Speaker 2: title at this age, I just have a hard time.
Speaker 2: I think you gotta be fair as much as we
Speaker 2: hold on to our memories, and that's what this is.
Speaker 2: Nobody talks that Mike didn't go to the playoffs there,
Speaker 2: you know, one and done in the playoffs there. Oh,
Speaker 2: we didn't have a good team. Look at Lebron's team
Speaker 2: that went to the finals against the Spurs. Did Michael
Speaker 2: Jordan ever have a team that was that bad? And
Speaker 2: you would, once again, you'd be hard pressed. But I
Speaker 2: think that Lebron what he's done, like you know, everything
Speaker 2: start to finish, and he lived up to the hype.
Speaker 2: Mike didn't have hype. Mike was He wont even the
Speaker 2: best player at Carolina. James Worthy was considered the best
Speaker 2: player Lebron from fifteen to forty as much as I
Speaker 2: loved and I was there with Jordan when he won
Speaker 2: those titles. Now this is what you're going to get. Well,
Speaker 2: who would you want game on the line? Okay, does
Speaker 2: that make you the best player? Because we totally blew
Speaker 2: past Bill Russell? He never lost in the finals, did
Speaker 2: he He won eleven titles? He won two titles in college.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, well no, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 2: Why not Russell's the greatest winner of all time. He
Speaker 2: just you know, wasn't a brand. He didn't have shoes,
Speaker 2: he didn't appear in movie. You know, he was just
Speaker 2: Bill Russell. He was going to a press conference for
Speaker 2: civil rights, you know, like all right, yes, Marvin, Yeah.
Speaker 5: With the Michael Lebron argument, see, I would get real
Speaker 5: like geekish and start talking about there was no wasted
Speaker 5: movements and when Michael Jordan had the ball, as soon
Speaker 5: as he got the ball, he went right to work.
Speaker 5: He had great footwork, great fundamentals on top of extreme athleticism.
Speaker 5: So maybe I'm just going a little bit too deep
Speaker 5: because people a going to say, oh six and oho.
Speaker 5: So there's a lot of people with not a lot
Speaker 5: of people, but there's people with six championship Robert or
Speaker 5: you got seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, But we all know that Mike was great. We
Speaker 2: all know what he could do with the besketball. I
Speaker 2: just don't think we're fair to Lebron because people you know,
Speaker 2: you got Skip Bayless, who has criticized Lebron forever, and
Speaker 2: you know, therefore it's like opens no one was criticizing Mike.
Speaker 2: No one even now, no one criticizes Mike. You got
Speaker 2: guys who played against him who're afraid to criticize him.
Speaker 2: Now I get the ultimate respect. I just what Lebron
Speaker 2: has done, as I mean, it's remarkable, and I don't
Speaker 2: think that we give him enough credit. I don't. It
Speaker 2: might be after the fact, it might be ten years
Speaker 2: after the fact when people look back and go, cow
Speaker 2: dude scored forty thousand. He plays the fact that he
Speaker 2: hadn't won an MVP since won twenty twelve. I mean, yam,
Speaker 2: I just I think he's been taken for granted. Now
Speaker 2: can we nitpick? Yes, Russell wasn't a good offensive player,
Speaker 2: will you know? It was a malcontent who took himself
Speaker 2: out of I mean, we go down the list there,
Speaker 2: but that's Larry Bird's career wasn't long enough, you know,
Speaker 2: That's the thing. I you know, we tend to do
Speaker 2: this and then all of a sudden you bring somebody down.
Speaker 2: Oh they couldn't do he didn't do he clutch, he
Speaker 2: was he free throws he you know, And yes, if
Speaker 2: I had one game to win, do I want Mike
Speaker 2: or Lebron I want Mike, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 2: he's a better player or certainly had a better career
Speaker 2: than Lebron because Joe Montana won four, didn't lose, but
Speaker 2: he's not considered the best quarterback of all time. Mahomes
Speaker 2: has already passed him, and he's lost in the Super
Speaker 2: Bowl a couple of times. I just we pick and
Speaker 2: choose with our arguments and I and you know, I
Speaker 2: understand that it's a hot take world here. I just
Speaker 2: think we won't be as we're not going to be
Speaker 2: fair to Lebron until after the fact.
Speaker 7: Yeah point, Unlike you, most Jordanists are unflexible or they
Speaker 7: have no flexibility about Michael Jordan. They don't even like
Speaker 7: to have the topic and discuss Lebron because it's like
Speaker 7: resume versus playing ability. Those are two different things. The
Speaker 7: best resume in quarterback history is Tom Brady, and it's
Speaker 7: really not that close.
Speaker 4: If you said who is the best ever.
Speaker 7: At playing the position, you could I think people can
Speaker 7: make the case for Damn ma Reno, but his resume
Speaker 7: is nowhere close to some of these guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just we get caught up in you know,
Speaker 2: that's my childhood or you know that that I followed
Speaker 2: the NBA then, and you know everybody rooted for the
Speaker 2: Bulls even when they came to your hometown. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's rare that that happens in a team game that
Speaker 2: you were okay if your team lost to the Bulls.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 5: And the thing is, I'm not anti Lebron. I think
Speaker 5: he's gonna have behind Kareem the second greatest career ever,
Speaker 5: as far as in the NBA's second gradest career ever,
Speaker 5: because look, I saw Lebron at the end of his
Speaker 5: sophomore year. There's an article in Slam magazine is that
Speaker 5: the best player in high school basketball just finished the
Speaker 5: tenth grade. So I saw it from the beginning. And
Speaker 5: in his junior year he was on the cover Sports Illustrated.
Speaker 5: And to d what he's done is unbelievable because you
Speaker 5: see all these guys outside of Tiger Woods that had
Speaker 5: this type of hype going in and they didn't live
Speaker 5: up to it, and Lebron has.
Speaker 2: Okay, but imagine if Lebron had passed the ball to
Speaker 2: Steve Kerr, if Lebron had passed the ball to John Paxson,
Speaker 2: that happened Lebron. I mean Mike didn't take those shots
Speaker 2: they did. Imagine if Lebron doesn't even get credit for
Speaker 2: the bubble, everybody there was no advantage playing in the bubble. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he won in the bubble. It's a neutral sight.
Speaker 2: It would have had Home courted Vin. It's actually more impressive,
Speaker 2: Like what are we doing? It wasn't like some.
Speaker 7: NBA players are in the bubble and others just weren't there.
Speaker 2: See, that's where it gets silly. Mike didn't take those
Speaker 2: last shots. Steve Kerr did. John Paxson did.
Speaker 7: Killed him out.
Speaker 2: Now you said, man, Michael, what a genius. You know
Speaker 2: it took the double game and threw it to Steep
Speaker 2: Like we can create whatever we want to create. Nobody
Speaker 2: brings up when Mike didn't make the finals. What happened
Speaker 2: in those seasons? Would you rather have somebody who got
Speaker 2: you to the postseason, to the finals? Yeah, but Mike
Speaker 2: didn't lose. No, he lost earlier.
Speaker 5: Yes, mar And people always say because they don't like Lebron, Oh,
Speaker 5: goats don't get swept. I said, Cream got swept and
Speaker 5: Magic got swept. Berg got swept. But because it wasn't
Speaker 5: in the finals, it doesn't mean that much. So would
Speaker 5: you rather lose in the second round where people really
Speaker 5: don't care that much, or the finals people pick and choose.
Speaker 2: There's breaking news. I don't think anybody saw this coming.
Speaker 2: Cooper Flag is going pro?
Speaker 4: Wow? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: What? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Easy, I'll say it slower. Cooper Flag is going pro.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably need another source on this, but sources
Speaker 2: close to me tell me that Cooper Flag is going pro. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Remember a month ago we had coach Cyron from Duke
Speaker 7: and you asked him have you had a conversation about
Speaker 7: him staying or going? And he said no, No, like
Speaker 7: the conversation happened when he chose to attend Duke.
Speaker 2: I ask him, are you going to have a conversation
Speaker 2: with him? No? All right? I think didn't con Canipple
Speaker 2: announce that he was going pro before Cooper Flag did?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Uh, okay, yeah, I know, I know. Let me take
Speaker 2: a break. Mel Kiper Draft Expert's going to join us
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Speaker 2: NFL Draft, mel kiper Draft Expert. He'll be at the
Speaker 2: ESPN desk for every pick of the NFL Draft starting Thursday,
Speaker 2: but before the draft, listen to the final episodes of
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Speaker 2: the program. Why do so many opinions seem to shift
Speaker 2: based on stuff that's not from actual games that these
Speaker 2: players play.
Speaker 4: It's college to prod and that's what makes it so
Speaker 4: so difficult.
Speaker 6: You're seeing guys play in college against players who will
Speaker 6: not be in the National Football League, so you're not
Speaker 6: getting apples to apples. In some games, you want to
Speaker 6: watch an offensive tackle, but the defensive ends going on
Speaker 6: the right side or left side, opposite where the player
Speaker 6: you want the one on one to be, So you
Speaker 6: get little snippets, okay, snapshots here and there of a
Speaker 6: player against another great player. That's why senior bowl practices
Speaker 6: are so important, because you're getting good on good. You
Speaker 6: don't get that in college on a regular basis, so
Speaker 6: a lot of times the stats.
Speaker 4: Can be skewed.
Speaker 6: One way, you can have great numbers against I call
Speaker 6: am aog sdan another occupation. Guys, that's what they are,
Speaker 6: you know, they're aogs. That's what you go up against
Speaker 6: in college. I can win that phrase years ago. That's
Speaker 6: what it is because that's college football. That's the same
Speaker 6: thing when you talk about high school. It's tough to
Speaker 6: go from one level to the next and be accurate
Speaker 6: with you evaluation. So when you end end today, it's
Speaker 6: over evaluation too, because you're talking about so much time
Speaker 6: between the end of the season until late April that
Speaker 6: you do kind of overthink it and you do factor
Speaker 6: in things that maybe shouldn't be as heavily weighed because
Speaker 6: it's so much time and it is level to a
Speaker 6: different level, and you have to look at everything possible
Speaker 6: to try to make a good, good evaluation. And certainly, Dan,
Speaker 6: a lot of scouts believe in general managers. Later in
Speaker 6: the draft, take the talented kids, Bill Polly and Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame. We're always told him, no, take the talented
Speaker 6: guys later in the draft. The guys are call him
Speaker 6: under achievers, Dan, but they have a big time skill set.
Speaker 4: And for one reason or another they got dinged in
Speaker 4: the process a bit.
Speaker 6: Take those kind of guys in the fifth, sixth, seventh
Speaker 6: round or bring him in his undrafted free agents.
Speaker 2: How do you grade Travis Hunter considering there's two positions.
Speaker 6: He's a hard It's a hard decision on wide receiver
Speaker 6: and corner when you have other players.
Speaker 4: That are fully invested in that one spot.
Speaker 6: So you say, Okay, Travis didn't play just reiver, he
Speaker 6: didn't play just corner.
Speaker 4: He was out there every play, every snap.
Speaker 6: That to me prevents him from being as good at
Speaker 6: one or the other that he could be. So even
Speaker 6: with that said, Dan, he's my number one wide receiver
Speaker 6: and he's my number one corner, and it's amazing that
Speaker 6: he would just focus on one position how great he
Speaker 6: could be.
Speaker 4: So to me, Travis is as.
Speaker 6: Unique as any player in the history of the draft
Speaker 6: because he is going to play both ways.
Speaker 4: Right away, Dion said it perfectly.
Speaker 6: You're not going to have a drive at the end
Speaker 6: of the first half, or a drive in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 6: or two drives in the fourth quarter, settling that game
Speaker 6: that outcome and have Travis Hunter standing on the sidelines
Speaker 6: when our cornerbacks are getting beaten in the quarterbacks, driving
Speaker 6: his team right down the field against my defense. You
Speaker 6: can't have that. So Diana is perfectly correct. He's a
Speaker 6: thousand percent correct on that. This kid's got to play
Speaker 6: both ways.
Speaker 2: Do you love or love love Shador Sanders?
Speaker 4: Like really loved Shador Sanders.
Speaker 6: I tried to be loyal to what like I said
Speaker 6: August and what I thought throughout their careers. And I
Speaker 6: understand if you want Dan somebody who looks the part,
Speaker 6: I call them ltpeers.
Speaker 2: That's what they are.
Speaker 4: There are ltpers.
Speaker 6: There's a couple other guys that that's positioned that are
Speaker 6: more physically gifted. Okay, when I talk about arm strength,
Speaker 6: when I talk about just imposing size, the rocket arm,
Speaker 6: the four to six speed, there are other quarterbacks that
Speaker 6: have that. Dan, if you want that, take those guys.
Speaker 6: If you want a kid who can just surgically take
Speaker 6: a team down the field, pick you apart, see things,
Speaker 6: recognize things, diagnose, make decisions that are sound. Also, get
Speaker 6: the ball to accurate points and precise points to a receiver,
Speaker 6: and hang in tough in that pocket, take hits and
Speaker 6: keep getting up. Don't point fingers, don't assign blame. Win
Speaker 6: football games. He didn't have a running game for two
Speaker 6: years of Colorado. Dan his leading rusher, upset it for
Speaker 6: the last month. His leading rusher the last two years,
Speaker 6: the two top running backs in this draft, Jent and Hampton,
Speaker 6: would have had more yards in a game and.
Speaker 4: A half then they had the whole year.
Speaker 6: Think about that and an offensive line, Dan, you saw
Speaker 6: that offensive line that was a bad group in twenty
Speaker 6: twenty three, a little bit better in twenty four. But
Speaker 6: bottom line is he had no chance, and a lot
Speaker 6: of those snaps he had no shot. So I give
Speaker 6: him a lot of credit, Dan, But if he's not
Speaker 6: the guy that you want physically, and you can't reconcile
Speaker 6: taking a guy that high, I get it. But does
Speaker 6: that not mean that, hey, in the mid late first round,
Speaker 6: he can't be a heck of a pick.
Speaker 4: And all this notion too, Dan, Well, if.
Speaker 6: You love them, or you'll like them, whatever, if you'll
Speaker 6: just like them, you can't take them.
Speaker 4: Well, I give you an example.
Speaker 6: In nineteen eighty four, Dan, my first year at ESPN,
Speaker 6: I had Boomer Assias and the third highest rated player
Speaker 6: on my board right now.
Speaker 4: Schador is at five. By the way. Okay, So say
Speaker 4: Shaudor goes in the late first.
Speaker 6: Think it was in a second what an idiot Kuiper
Speaker 6: is right, he had Well, guess what Boomer was. Three
Speaker 6: Bengals had three picks in the first round. Dan, I'm
Speaker 6: sitting there, first year at ESPN. You know what's going
Speaker 6: through my head.
Speaker 4: I'm one and done. I'm sitting there with Boom. I'm
Speaker 4: sitting there with Chris Berman, Boomer and Bob Lee. I'm
Speaker 4: thinking now, I'm not gonna be back for the nineteen eighty.
Speaker 6: Five d My third highest rated players there, and the
Speaker 6: Bengals passed them three times, Dan, and two of those
Speaker 6: three were bus They took him in the second round.
Speaker 6: Now to that philosophy, if you didn't like him enough
Speaker 6: to take him with your first three picks in there,
Speaker 6: why are you taking him in the second round. He's
Speaker 6: gonna be your quarterback. He's gonna be the guy, whether
Speaker 6: he was the first second round or he's your guy
Speaker 6: moving forward. You didn't even like him enough to take
Speaker 6: ahead of Rickey Hunley, Pete Kotch and Brian Blados. Okay,
Speaker 6: so again, I don't buy into any of that nonsense.
Speaker 6: Brett Fahr was like highly rated player went in the
Speaker 6: second round, right, Look what happened with him.
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers was supposed to go number one. Three.
Speaker 6: We will full of draft that slid to twenty four,
Speaker 6: the six of the eight sliding picks on terms of
Speaker 6: my rankings over the last yeah, since nineteen seventy Dan
Speaker 6: I went all the way back to nineteen seventy sixty
Speaker 6: eight hit six of the eight sliding quarterbacks hit. So
Speaker 6: maybe Schador will be one of the six that does
Speaker 6: really well.
Speaker 2: We're talking to Mel Kuiper, Draft Expert forty second NFL
Speaker 2: Draft and you can see ESPN with every pick there
Speaker 2: that'll be Thursday through Saturday. It'll be a mel and
Speaker 2: Field Ags Mike Greenberg the First Draft podcast as well
Speaker 2: with mel Kiper. Help me understand this then, I know
Speaker 2: we get it. We fall in love with quarterbacks. But
Speaker 2: if I say to a team that guy right there
Speaker 2: that you're going to take, it's not a quarterback, but
Speaker 2: he's going to be a future Hall of famer. But
Speaker 2: instead you'll roll the dice on cam Ward and cam
Speaker 2: can be maybe he's a Hall of famer. But if
Speaker 2: you said Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, you know there's a
Speaker 2: couple of guys in here that you go. Chances are
Speaker 2: they could be the safest pick and be a future
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. But we're gonna roll the dice on
Speaker 2: cam Ward. He explain the logic there at the top
Speaker 2: of the draft. It's a arm talent, Dan, it's the trades.
Speaker 2: It's that skill set that Brian Callahan.
Speaker 6: I listened to an interview with Brian Callahan and he said,
Speaker 6: I want a quarterback and everybody in the stadium those
Speaker 6: we're throwing a ball and throw the ball and deliver
Speaker 6: a pass and complete it.
Speaker 4: I want a guy that's wired, right.
Speaker 6: I want a guy that, certainly you know, can be
Speaker 6: not just good, because he said he said just good,
Speaker 6: just good.
Speaker 4: It's not good enough.
Speaker 6: Dan, it's been told to us. Listen to what they're saying.
Speaker 6: I don't want to go that's just good. They want
Speaker 6: Joe Burrow, they want Jaydon Dan. He mentioned Joe Burrow
Speaker 6: and Jadan Daniels in an interview. That's what he's shooting for.
Speaker 6: He's not shooting I said this for the last couple
Speaker 6: of years, Dan, the singles in double days for quarterbacks
Speaker 6: are over. This is and even maybe even a triple.
Speaker 6: You want a Grand Slam or a home runner. You
Speaker 6: don't want that guy, Dan. So what they're doing now
Speaker 6: is they're just keeping taking shots. They're taking shots. If
Speaker 6: my guy's not a triple, triple double or a triple
Speaker 6: home run or Grand Slam, he's just a double or single,
Speaker 6: just good, then I gotta get better.
Speaker 4: I gotta get better.
Speaker 6: And the one phrase that came out of everybody's mouth
Speaker 6: this last couple of years is I want a quarterback,
Speaker 6: my quarterback to play at consistently high level.
Speaker 4: Well, they're looking at great then, right, Yeah, consistently high level?
Speaker 4: Who does that? Dan?
Speaker 6: Patrick does it every day because he's a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 6: bottom line knows does these quarterbacks do it every day?
Speaker 4: Consistently high level?
Speaker 5: Dan?
Speaker 6: And that's where again, you look at what we're doing here.
Speaker 6: If we got a quarterback and we think he could
Speaker 6: be good, but we got to get better.
Speaker 4: This kid has the arm talent.
Speaker 6: Shador Sanders doesn't have the rocket arm, doesn't have the
Speaker 6: four to six beeding. This is the six three two thirty.
Speaker 6: Cam Ward has the rocket arm, has maneuver ability and creativity.
Speaker 6: The GM was with Patrick Mahomes. Patrick Mahomes has a
Speaker 6: lot of creativity and a live arm. They all see
Speaker 6: a little bit elements of the quarterback. They were with
Speaker 6: with a quarterback, they're going to select and I think
Speaker 6: they see some elements there of what Mahomes does to
Speaker 6: the way cam Ward does or doesn't do it that way.
Speaker 4: That's why cam Ward goes.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, Like, are you sure that cam Ward is
Speaker 2: going to be more successful or as successful as Travis Hunter?
Speaker 4: No? No, I don't think anybody can be sure of.
Speaker 2: So mightn't take that guy. That's a generational talent there.
Speaker 2: This is what I don't understand.
Speaker 4: Well, you can't do.
Speaker 6: You have to have It's the most important position in
Speaker 6: all sports, this quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you got to keep taking chances.
Speaker 6: I always say, if you don't have that quarterback, then
Speaker 6: you're spinning your wheels.
Speaker 4: They got Joe Burrow in Cincinnati didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 6: Okay, so you are. You can have all these pieces.
Speaker 6: That's what they said. And I was a big Trent
Speaker 6: Dilford supporter. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Ironically, you're
Speaker 6: in Baltimore, right, My homes have worn and raised in Baltimore.
Speaker 6: I right, how it all came full circle for me.
Speaker 6: But people say, well, you needed everything around. They'd let
Speaker 6: Trent do't for go. They cut him loose the next
Speaker 6: year for Elvis Kirback. They wanted to get better. Okay,
Speaker 6: they felt like, okay, we need everything around Trent. But
Speaker 6: he galvanized that team. He was the true leader. He
Speaker 6: was the difference maker on a team. They were one
Speaker 6: nowhere t Trent took over that year. Okay, and he
Speaker 6: let him all those wins, but it wasn't good enough
Speaker 6: even then. Think about that, Dan, it was a long
Speaker 6: time ago. It wasn't even good enough. Then they had
Speaker 6: a Super Bowl winning quarterback. They kicked them to the
Speaker 6: curb to try to get better. This has been going,
Speaker 6: this thought process, Dan has been going on a long time.
Speaker 6: The good isn't good enough at the quarterback position in
Speaker 6: the NFL.
Speaker 2: I need you to you gotta pace yourself because you
Speaker 2: got to get ready for a Thursday. Here, mel I mean,
Speaker 2: you're you're in first round mode right now.
Speaker 6: I don't know about that, Dan, the voice that always
Speaker 6: goes by, You're right by Thursday. I get all fired
Speaker 6: up this week and he start yelling and screaming, and
Speaker 6: by Thursday, Friday and Saturday, you got nothing left. So
Speaker 6: I'm with you. But hey, Dan, I could listen to
Speaker 6: you say pace it. I've been listening to you say
Speaker 6: pace it for about hell of may years and we've
Speaker 6: been together.
Speaker 4: Do I ever, Dan, listen to Dan Patrick?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know. I think it's interesting though,
Speaker 2: that your mock draft is saying this is your potential.
Speaker 2: This is how you grade them, not what the philosophy
Speaker 2: is of the teams. Is that correct?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 4: Philosophy?
Speaker 6: You want positions like I say, don't take a running
Speaker 6: back in the first But I'm not going to grade
Speaker 6: a kid like Ashton Genty or Amari and Hampton from
Speaker 6: North Carolina and put him as my sixty fifth player
Speaker 6: because I don't agree with taking your running back in
Speaker 6: the first You great them based on their ability, and
Speaker 6: that's why all those running backs were rated high. I
Speaker 6: have a philosophy that people said was idiotic, Dan, and
Speaker 6: now they're all agreeing with it. They all agree with it.
Speaker 6: Now you notice that how that's come full circle too.
Speaker 6: They all said I was a nut. Now they say, oh,
Speaker 6: you know, you shouldn't really draft a running back in
Speaker 6: the first round unless you're one of those great teams
Speaker 6: that just is missing the running back or that team
Speaker 6: won the CUSP that's just missing a running back. Tell
Speaker 6: me a team Dan in the top ten right now
Speaker 6: doesn't think they're going to be a pretty good team
Speaker 6: this coming year. Tell me a team that they are
Speaker 6: going to be picking first next year. Tell me a
Speaker 6: team going into next year's this coming season it thinks, oh,
Speaker 6: we're going to be the worst team in the league
Speaker 6: next year. Tell me a coach in that building or
Speaker 6: a player in that building they were a GM or
Speaker 6: an older that believes that.
Speaker 4: Okay, so to me, look at Tennessee.
Speaker 6: They were within a whisker last year of beating Chicago
Speaker 6: opening week of being the Jets. The second week they
Speaker 6: ended up beating Houston. They had a lot of games
Speaker 6: where they're just a mistake here or or a block
Speaker 6: that wasn't made, or a drop pass whatever it may,
Speaker 6: or penalty or whatever, or an interception to turnover.
Speaker 4: So again, this is a fine line.
Speaker 9: Dan.
Speaker 6: Washington went from being a team that was nothing to
Speaker 6: be because they had to hit with Jayden and Daniels,
Speaker 6: And that tells you what we talk about a quarterback.
Speaker 4: They hit with Jade Daniels and now look where they
Speaker 4: are now. Look at the future of the Washington Commanders,
Speaker 4: right I give Cincinnati.
Speaker 6: Hey, you get a mulligan with Joe Burrow. You're not
Speaker 6: getting two years with Joe Burrow where you don't make
Speaker 6: the playoffs. You got an MVP quarterback, you better get
Speaker 6: in the playoffs. I'll give you one year. I'm not
Speaker 6: going to give you two. So once you get that guy,
Speaker 6: you better win consistently.
Speaker 2: Do you regret not being a GM in the NFL?
Speaker 6: Not at all, Dan, though I had that chance to
Speaker 6: get into the league when a great probably the best
Speaker 6: I've never had in the NFL where we're all you
Speaker 6: think about Ernie a Corsi general manager who was going
Speaker 6: to bring me in at age twenty three before I
Speaker 6: came to ESPN, Dan, he offered me the position to
Speaker 6: come work for him, just do whatever, not as an
Speaker 6: assistant GM like some have you know, erroneously said it
Speaker 6: was just to be his assistant as a young kid
Speaker 6: coming in. If I need Kuiper to go wherever, I'll
Speaker 6: send them if I need him to find out something else.
Speaker 4: And I said great. He said, what do you want
Speaker 4: to do?
Speaker 6: He said, just keep going through the eighty three draft,
Speaker 6: will announce you. In July, I had the NFL security
Speaker 6: come down and interview and go through all the process
Speaker 6: to be accepted in and all that. So I was
Speaker 6: gonna it was all going to happen. In July, Ernie
Speaker 6: had drafted John Elway. Without his knowledge, er John Elway
Speaker 6: was traded to Denver. There was talking about the Colts
Speaker 6: leaving town. Ernie would obviously be leaving as well. He
Speaker 6: wasn't going to bring me in as his guy, knowing
Speaker 6: the future is so uncertain for him with this organization.
Speaker 4: He called me in June, Dan and he said, no.
Speaker 10: I can't bring you in. I said, I said, okay,
Speaker 10: what do you want me to do? He said, Hey,
Speaker 10: nobody knows that I was going to do this. It
Speaker 10: has n't go an announced to anybody. You've got a
Speaker 10: great business going. Keep doing what you're doing. Everybody craves
Speaker 10: that type of information.
Speaker 4: Keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 6: I did, and guess what, five months later, got a
Speaker 6: call from ESPN to come up an interview for the job.
Speaker 6: Got that started in nineteen eighty four. So without Ernie
Speaker 6: caring about a twenty three year old kid, and he
Speaker 6: would have just brought me in, I'd have been with
Speaker 6: a cult hit a laugh. I'd have been gone at
Speaker 6: some point espa able to have had another draft analyst,
Speaker 6: and I don't know what the heck gotta be doing
Speaker 6: right now, Dan, But that.
Speaker 2: Leads me to what happened with Brent Musberger. I campaigned
Speaker 2: for him. I reached out to the Pro Football Hall
Speaker 2: of Fame, the Pete Roseld Award. I'd like to do
Speaker 2: the same with you. I think you should be in
Speaker 2: the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4: I appreciate that, Dan, but I don't I really, I never.
Speaker 6: I just believe there's so many people that just you
Speaker 6: get your fortunate, you get a little lucky on your side.
Speaker 4: You're around great people. I was, Dan, work with.
Speaker 2: You, all those you you changed, You changed an industry.
Speaker 2: What you have meant to the NFL. Can it's a
Speaker 2: different version of John Facenda, Like he was the voice
Speaker 2: and you were the draft guy. Like, look at what
Speaker 2: it's a cottage industry that you created that is contributions
Speaker 2: to the game. I know you're modest, I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm going forward with it. You you deserve to be
Speaker 2: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6: You do, Dan, your a great friend. Andy Poland has
Speaker 6: been saying the same thing. I tell you, Andy, the
Speaker 6: same thing you know, Andy, and he said he's gonna.
Speaker 4: I said, you know to me.
Speaker 6: You get into this and you see so many people
Speaker 6: that were responsible with ESPN for what's happened.
Speaker 4: So you say I did this.
Speaker 6: ESPN really did it, Dan, because they televised this thing
Speaker 6: when the NFL didn't want it to be televised.
Speaker 4: Think about that.
Speaker 6: Think about all the great producers that were from Bill
Speaker 6: Fitz who offered me that position in eighty four, all
Speaker 6: the way up John Wildhat.
Speaker 4: You think about what he did, Freddy Gadelli. Freddy Goadelli was.
Speaker 6: Able to coach me along and teach me so many
Speaker 6: things about this business. Jay Rothman, Brian Ryder, now, Robert Dampsky,
Speaker 6: all the great producers.
Speaker 2: Way you're giving your Hall of Fame speech. Waye.
Speaker 6: Markman is believing in me all these years. Seth has
Speaker 6: been a great friend. So all the ESPN guys, Dan,
Speaker 6: they were responsible. And all the people that cut those
Speaker 6: highlight packs, that all that worked behind they were responsible
Speaker 6: for the draft sixce.
Speaker 4: That's keep in mind, Dan, ESPN televised draft before I
Speaker 4: got here.
Speaker 6: Okay, so the draft was on a ESPN because before
Speaker 6: I became a part of the telecast, that changed.
Speaker 2: You changed, well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 6: But for John Fis said to what you just said,
Speaker 6: the voice, that voice Dan pulled people into the NFL.
Speaker 2: You're the hair, he's the voicemail.
Speaker 6: My great friend, you'll be great friends. George Jung right,
Speaker 6: late great George Young, Calvert Hall's owned George Young, famous,
Speaker 6: famous graduate of Calvert Hall history, great friend of mine.
Speaker 6: Used write me handwritten notes after he got the book,
Speaker 6: when suggestions and just thoughts. He'd called me during the
Speaker 6: draft even and give me, get me to tell him
Speaker 6: his opinion of what went on.
Speaker 4: George Young always said one couple of things. He said.
Speaker 6: First of all, when you draft a player is just
Speaker 6: as important as who you select. So value is important.
Speaker 6: He said to me, yours when I basically when I
Speaker 6: started ESPN, you got it. You gotta get a voice,
Speaker 6: coach mail, you gotta get that ball, you gotta get
Speaker 6: that Baltimore accent out of that. You gotta lose that
Speaker 6: Baltimore accent. George, I said, Charles, I'm not going I
Speaker 6: gotta change it. Whatever I am, I am, and it's
Speaker 6: not it doesn't resonate, and his voice isn't getting done.
Speaker 6: I'm not I can't change my voice. George, you got
Speaker 6: to get that Baltimore accent and lose it. You're never
Speaker 6: gonna have any chance. So it was funny all the
Speaker 6: conversations I look back to with George and like Earady
Speaker 6: of course, and my great friend Jack Faultner with the
Speaker 6: rams was phenomenal back in the day.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Today, I mean, all the way, all the way through
Speaker 6: my career between Jack.
Speaker 4: Ernie George, save it for your Hall of Fame speech,
Speaker 4: I would say, they give that up. You know, I
Speaker 4: got a lot of people in the lake that hate me.
Speaker 4: You know, I got a lot of a lot of people.
Speaker 4: They have hated me for a long time.
Speaker 6: I do not think anything NFL related to the Hall
Speaker 6: of Fame whatever, that will never work hand in hand.
Speaker 2: Dan No, Uh, I'd say, pace yourself, but you're not capable.
Speaker 2: And uh, good to talk to you. As always.
Speaker 4: We'll see you.
Speaker 2: Thank you, appreciate it. Path take Everyboddy mel kiper draft expert.
Speaker 2: That's that's full mel that's mel unplugged, forty second draft
Speaker 2: and I think I've known him thirty five thirty six years.
Speaker 2: He's been that way, He'll be that way wire to wire.
Speaker 2: Before the draft you can listen to the final episodes
Speaker 2: of the First Draft podcast with Melfield, Yates and my Greenberg,
Speaker 2: available wherever you get your podcast well, close up Shop,
Speaker 2: Last Call for Phone Calls, What we learn, What's in
Speaker 2: store tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Right after this, be sure to catch the live edition
Speaker 1: of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern
Speaker 1: six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2: Last Call for Phone Calls? What we learn? What's in
Speaker 2: store tomorrow? This day in sports History, I have some
Speaker 2: over unders here with DraftKings Draft picks, Shardoor Sanders. The
Speaker 2: over under is eight and a half. I think it's
Speaker 2: been that way for a while. But you have Jack
Speaker 2: Dark twenty four and a half, Ashton genty six and
Speaker 2: a half, Mason Graham out of Michigan five and a half,
Speaker 2: and Tyler Warren the tight end out of Penn State
Speaker 2: over under nine and a half. For entertainment purposes only
Speaker 2: this day in sports history, Paul, what do you.
Speaker 7: Have for us soaking into that Ashton genty over under
Speaker 7: for a little bit. That's wild Our all time favorite, Dan,
Speaker 7: one of our all time favorites. This Day in Sports History.
Speaker 7: Nineteen eighty runner Rosie Luiz won the Boston Marathon when
Speaker 7: she crossed the finish line in a record time of
Speaker 7: two hours and thirty one minutes and fifty six seconds.
Speaker 7: After investigation, she was stripped to the honor with evidence
Speaker 7: showed that she didn't run the entire race. She slipped
Speaker 7: in with about four miles to go.
Speaker 2: It happens.
Speaker 4: Why break the record?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you get greedy. You know, Bonds didn't need
Speaker 2: to hit seventy three, Like if he hit sixty three,
Speaker 2: then we might go, okay, seventy three. Uh uh yeah, Paul.
Speaker 7: There's a great video of her after the race, I mean,
Speaker 7: within a minute after the race, doing an interview, and
Speaker 7: she is not very winded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see what happened on this date. M Joe Scarborough,
Speaker 2: not that Joe Scarborough, Morning Joe or cup of Joe.
Speaker 2: A fifty year old self employed electrical contractor. In twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: he rolled the first nine hundred series in the history
Speaker 2: of the Professional Bowlers Association. He opened up with three
Speaker 2: straight perfect games thirty six consecutive strikes. Congratulations, Joe Scarborough.
Speaker 2: That was twenty thirteen.
Speaker 4: That's pretty impressct if you think about it.
Speaker 2: Well, hold on, let me think about it. Oh that
Speaker 2: is impression thirty six straight. Yeah, good thing. I had
Speaker 2: to think about it, or I wouldn't have thought it
Speaker 2: was that always that.
Speaker 3: One pin that's wiggling and it doesn't fall for you.
Speaker 2: Thank you to So we're heading to Green Bay, will
Speaker 2: be there Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and final results of the
Speaker 2: poll question during the final hour of the program, Ton.
Speaker 4: We've got a couple.
Speaker 3: One of them was if I bought an expensive piece
Speaker 3: of sports memorabilia like a jersey, I would eighty four
Speaker 3: percent say frame it's a display in my Homer office,
Speaker 3: twelve say sell it on eBay or something to make
Speaker 3: a profit, three percent wear it in public from time
Speaker 3: to time, one percent gifted to someone I know we'd
Speaker 3: really love it. And the other one is who are
Speaker 3: you rooting for to win the West? Thirty four percent
Speaker 3: say Oklahoma City twenty five, Golden State twenty one, Lakers,
Speaker 3: poud right behind twenty Nuggets.
Speaker 2: Thank you Todd doing the duties, I said, duties filling
Speaker 2: in for Seaton Kevin in Austin, Hi, Kevin, what's on
Speaker 2: your mind today?
Speaker 11: Hey Dpe, thanks for fitting me in.
Speaker 12: I just I have a hard hitting question as known
Speaker 12: to be used on your show. Of all the aerial
Speaker 12: displays you've put on it and practice arenas, I believe
Speaker 12: there was one in Prehoenix, the Dallas one you spoke of.
Speaker 12: I didn't believe there was one at Indiana. And then
Speaker 12: my one seed has to be the infamous U Mass.
Speaker 11: Shoot off that you had when Coach Kal was there.
Speaker 11: What what would you what would you say?
Speaker 4: Your number one?
Speaker 2: Well, that one had to do with dunking. So there
Speaker 2: was one in UMass. There was one at Marquette when
Speaker 2: Kevin O'Neill was there and I was putting on an
Speaker 2: aerial display. There was the one at Hinkle Field House
Speaker 2: where George McGinnis, the great Indiana pacer, was going to
Speaker 2: be my color analyst on a broadcast where we did
Speaker 2: Wisconsin Green Bay believe or not. Tony Bennett was playing
Speaker 2: in that game and he said, oh, you can dunk.
Speaker 2: I said, well, I can do more than that, Georgia,
Speaker 2: and then I said I cannot shoot you, and he's
Speaker 2: like what I said, yes, but I'm not going to
Speaker 2: do that because we're in Indiana and other place, George,
Speaker 2: I'd probably try to embarrass you, but now I didn't
Speaker 2: it would have been bad for his brand and Georgia
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame Basketball very thoughtful. Yes, absolutely, Yeah, there
Speaker 2: have been some moments and looks. I have nothing to
Speaker 2: lose when I shoot against these guys, nothing and they
Speaker 2: have everything to lose, and some of them lost some
Speaker 2: credibility along the way. Jeremiah in Indiana, Hi, Jeremiah, how
Speaker 2: were you dp?
Speaker 11: Thanks for taking my call five to five and one
Speaker 11: to ninety five. The best and worst of the weekend
Speaker 11: is in the same event. Best was the Indiana Pacers
Speaker 11: winning at home playoff game, first time at home in
Speaker 11: over ten years. The worst and Adam Silver Commissioner Silver
Speaker 11: was attendance for of it was the ten to eleven
Speaker 11: to thirteen seconds it took for Joannis to shoot a
Speaker 11: free throw. Can the NBA utilize the shot clock during
Speaker 11: free throw shooting the game?
Speaker 2: Well, they're supposed to. It gets there. There's been a
Speaker 2: pitch clock for a long long time in baseball. They
Speaker 2: didn't institute it, they didn't enforce it, but you're supposed
Speaker 2: to have ten seconds there. Matt in Wisconsin, Hi, Matt.
Speaker 9: Hey, Dan, this is Coach Hocket from UW Stevens Point
Speaker 9: our passion buckets are full here with you coming into Wisconsin.
Speaker 9: We're excited to come over and see I actually got
Speaker 9: both of my kids with me. They wanted to say hello,
Speaker 9: and we're driving over the Green Bay. Our best of
Speaker 9: the weekend was we had a women's basketball bank with
Speaker 9: this past weekend. We made the NCAA tournament this past year.
Speaker 9: But I joked with a local reporter, none of that
Speaker 9: would happen without your commitment back in the fall. And
Speaker 9: we're just so excited. We got some shirts for you
Speaker 9: and the day nuts. We got a sweatshirt cooking for you,
Speaker 9: and we actually my wife credit her. We have an
Speaker 9: NCAA tournament participant, Dalli. And then the NCAA rep asked
Speaker 9: me how many players do we have. I go seventeen.
Speaker 9: She's kind of my director of operations. She hits me
Speaker 9: and she goes, no, you have eighteen. You got to
Speaker 9: get one for Dan. So we're gonna bring all that
Speaker 9: over to you guys on Wednesday at the bar, and
Speaker 9: we're just so excited to have you in Stevens Point,
Speaker 9: in Green Bay and in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: Thank you, coach. Look forward to seeing you and the family.
Speaker 2: He's got to understand it's Doug Gottlieb's territory Wisconsin, Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: Stevens Point, What did I learn today?
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