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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the Bob Left Sets podcast.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is singer, songwriter guitarist Marcus King. Marcus

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Speaker 1: good to be doing the podcast with you. Good to

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Speaker 1: be here, brother. Okay, you're going on the road like tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: How much do you work in a year? We play

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Speaker 1: about a hundred two in between as a year. Then

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Speaker 1: how do you decide how many? Uh, well, the agents

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Speaker 1: kind of pitch us a couple of tours and you know,

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Speaker 1: they all look good to me, and I like to

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Speaker 1: keep pretty busy. I think keeps the band really fresh,

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Speaker 1: really tight. But you know, going on the road, you

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Speaker 1: you know, you play for an hour or two and

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Speaker 1: you get all this adulation, then you go back with

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Speaker 1: the same old guys. You can't calm down for hours

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Speaker 1: after giving on all that energy. How do you cope

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Speaker 1: with the cycle? It gets kind of tough, you know.

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Speaker 1: Um can be hard, like you said, to calm down

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Speaker 1: after a show like that, So you really gotta I

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Speaker 1: don't know, you gotta be mindful of that because you

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Speaker 1: could wear your body out, you know, pretty quickly. And

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Speaker 1: we do like six weeks at a time like this

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Speaker 1: run is two months straight. So you gotta kind of

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Speaker 1: pick and choose when you want a party and try

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Speaker 1: to get to bed. You know a reasonable hour. Rock

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Speaker 1: and roll starts at nine I am now days, well

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Speaker 1: tell me about it starting at nine am. Try to

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Speaker 1: get up early, get to work out in, get some

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Speaker 1: some daylight, get some fresh air. Um, you know, like today,

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Speaker 1: it's a poor example of that is, Uh, we're at

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Speaker 1: a hotel and somewhere in Virginia just for our drivers

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Speaker 1: to sleep, and then we'll leave tonight at midnight and

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Speaker 1: go to Philly. So we've kind of been turning our

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Speaker 1: our Bara metric like system around because we left last

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Speaker 1: night at midnight. So that's kind of like where everything starts.

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Speaker 1: And today we're all sleeping in all day in a hotel.

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Speaker 1: But you gotta kind of force yourself to get into

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Speaker 1: this cycle of getting some fresh air, getting exercise, and

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Speaker 1: you know, drinking two or three times a week a

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Speaker 1: week rather than every day. Um. But that's tough to

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Speaker 1: do because it's a lot easier to do it either way. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you say you left it midnight last night from where

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Speaker 1: from Nashville? And why at midnight? Uh, everything's kind of

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Speaker 1: based around the bus drivers sleep schedules, you know, so

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Speaker 1: we drive I think eight to ten hours at a time. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The buses took us here to Christianburg, Virginia, which I'm

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Speaker 1: not really sure where that he is. And then well

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Speaker 1: we're at least within eight to ten hours from Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: I know that one because then it will take us there.

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Speaker 1: And we leave at midnight again tonight, so we're there

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Speaker 1: on lowdown tomorrow. And you know you're in a hotel room. Now,

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Speaker 1: hal walten? Are you in the hotel room? Was supposed

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Speaker 1: to sleeping on the bus? Uh? I'd say probably sixty.

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Speaker 1: We we end up spending a lot of nights on

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Speaker 1: the bus um, which is fine. You know that you

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Speaker 1: kind of get in a little more routine that way.

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Speaker 1: You know. Okay, you talk about drinking and which leads

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Speaker 1: to drugging. You know, how do you only keep it

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Speaker 1: to a couple of nights a week? Well, um, my

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Speaker 1: that's the short answer. Well, can make it make it

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Speaker 1: a little longer, how I'm happy to. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm at the point now where I can I can

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Speaker 1: have a couple of glasses of wine and enjoy myself.

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Speaker 1: But that wasn't really the case for a while. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I think it was really just accompanied with depression

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Speaker 1: and alcohol and drugs stimulants to be exact, uh a

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Speaker 1: long run there really just making it much worse. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not really as depressed now. I mean,

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Speaker 1: depression something you always struggle with even when you're at

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Speaker 1: your happiest, which is a sad truth. But you know

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Speaker 1: I'm in a much better place now. Being in love

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Speaker 1: is helpful of that. Okay, So are you treating your

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Speaker 1: depression with any medication? Yeah? I am takes in Balton

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Speaker 1: ninety million grans and Balta that day. And you know

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Speaker 1: that's another reason why you don't really want to mix

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Speaker 1: alcohol with that stuff. I mean, that can be pretty

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Speaker 1: detrimental to your physical health and your mental health on

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Speaker 1: the same. But my goal, my hope is the next

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Speaker 1: think I'm gonna try to go completely holistic, maybe try

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Speaker 1: my hand in microdescence and psilocybin or something from the earth.

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Speaker 1: Try to get off these pharmaceuticals. Okay, so you're on

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Speaker 1: some ball to you on anything else. Yeah, I take

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Speaker 1: medication for anxiety as well, which one, Um, okay, how

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Speaker 1: often do you take an up? Uh? Just really as needed.

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Speaker 1: Chronic anxiety years old and music is the most helping

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Speaker 1: thing for it, but sometimes it doesn't quite get it.

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Speaker 1: What do you have panic attacks? You? Oh? Yeah, really bad?

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Speaker 1: Since I was a kid. Yeah, you know, I used

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Speaker 1: And then I used klonip In to get off the

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Speaker 1: auta van, but it was really hard. And you know,

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Speaker 1: there's uh do types of therapy. I used to have

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Speaker 1: cured me of the panic decks. I don't have panic

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Speaker 1: attacks anymore. It was very interesting. You read the book

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Speaker 1: and they say, well, okay, you're here with the doctor.

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Speaker 1: Have a panic, I'm here right with you. And then

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Speaker 1: they talked about a guy who was hit by a

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Speaker 1: train and survived. So the key is, once you realize

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Speaker 1: you'll hold on the panic will pass. That was a

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Speaker 1: great liberator for me. But uh, is the symbalta and

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Speaker 1: the klonopin a recent thing. The SYMBALTI more recent than

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Speaker 1: the convent I got. Uh. Yeah, I've been either misdiagnosed

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Speaker 1: or diagnosed, you know, on multiple occasions. Uh. I've been

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Speaker 1: diagnosed by polar um and also with depression. So I

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Speaker 1: mean when you're bouncing around from psychiatrists, psychiatrist um, and

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Speaker 1: from therapist and therapist, I mean, everybody has a different

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Speaker 1: The symbalta I think started because I don't remember what

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Speaker 1: I was on before that, but I was on something

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Speaker 1: I remember being at my grandmother's funeral. Um, I didn't

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Speaker 1: it was like a week after that. There was this, uh,

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Speaker 1: this tune that Wayne Shorter did called at Day Area

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Speaker 1: another one Actually I don't it's just like Brazilian tune.

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Speaker 1: It's really beautiful. And then I just wept for days.

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Speaker 1: So I finally got something that it seems to work

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Speaker 1: for me, keeps me kind of balanced, Okay, and when

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Speaker 1: were you first treated for anxiety and depressions A recent

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Speaker 1: thing or you had it all growing up? Uh, Well,

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Speaker 1: something I struggled with all the time since I was

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Speaker 1: started really delving into it. So I could say like

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Speaker 1: the least three to five years, I started kind of

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Speaker 1: taking it into my own hands, and um, therapy was

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Speaker 1: over huge help. Um it didn't say the last relationship,

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Speaker 1: but I think that was on track for you know,

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Speaker 1: the rocks anyway. But I'd recommend therapy and anybody that's

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Speaker 1: thinking about well, in today's world, many psychiatrists actually don't

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Speaker 1: do therapy. They just provide mids and you see somebody

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Speaker 1: else with the therapy. Is that the way it was

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Speaker 1: is in your case? Or you seeing the same? YEA,

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Speaker 1: That's how it is. For me. My psychiatrist checks in,

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Speaker 1: you know, every six months or so, and the therapies

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Speaker 1: more of a weekly thing. And for me, therapies more

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Speaker 1: things that I maybe was harboring because I'm not very

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Speaker 1: and I just can't keep up with it. So between

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Speaker 1: music and actual talk therapy, it's really helpful because you

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Speaker 1: realize that some of the things you're saying it is

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Speaker 1: just um, to use a phrase, kind of crazy. You know. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know many musicians speak through their music and are

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Speaker 1: anybody who understands you, you can talk to other than

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Speaker 1: your wife to be wells? My dad and I have

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Speaker 1: always really connected, just like he and his dad before. UM.

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Speaker 1: We've always had a really tight relationship, and I think

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Speaker 1: or does he pushed back? My father was pretty accepting,

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Speaker 1: uh with everything I say. I mean, uh, because he's

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Speaker 1: actually point of contention. Recently. I did an interview with

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Speaker 1: My earliest memories of life are crying so hard in

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Speaker 1: And then later on she just really never showed her

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Speaker 1: a rough relationship. And you know, she's always made really

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Speaker 1: She never, She never had any more kids, but she

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Speaker 1: did remarry to my stepdad. And my stepdad was abusive

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Speaker 1: was kind of verbally abusive to me, and particularly to

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Speaker 1: particularly to my sister. So that was that was a

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Speaker 1: my passion, and I'm really thankful I get to do it.

427
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: But I can't just support your dreams because a lot

428
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: of people will just call that a fucking vacation, you

429
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was really frustrating back

430
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: and forth. Um, and obviously, you know, if you're passion

431
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: is to live by the beach and surf, it's great.

432
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: I'm not knocking that. But within the you know, within

433
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 1: the confines of our relationship, it was really frustrating and

434
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 1: I could never really catch a break. So aside from that,

435
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: I was also struggling with, for the first time, women

436
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: actually taking an interest in me without me, uh initiating.

437
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: So I wasn't I wasn't being unfaithful physically, but like

438
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: I would certainly entertain you know, uh, flirty texts or

439
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: flirty messages or whatever, and that's so just not okay

440
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: in a relationship. And you know, I feel really bad

441
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: for how I behaved in that relationship, but you know,

442
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: she was the one that told me, like, you need

443
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: to get into the happy or I'm sucking leaving it.

444
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, So that's I'm really thankful

445
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: for that aspect of the relationship because I did get

446
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: in therapy and now I don't. I don't crave or

447
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: seek the attention of just random females. I mean, in therapy,

448
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: I realized a lot of that had to do with

449
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: the abandonment from my mother and you know, losing my

450
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: first love and all that, and um, craving and seeking

451
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: that attention was just uh, just another cry for help

452
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: like everything else. But that relationship just kind of ended

453
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: up implode. And I say, my substance abuse contributed to it,

454
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: for sure, but then the end of that relationship also

455
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: in turn contributed to my substance abuse getting much worse. Now,

456
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: someone with an abandonment issues end of a relationship must

457
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: be very tough. Yeah, I mean it was tough. I

458
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: mean we we broke up, like anywhere in the neighborhood

459
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: of Baker's doesn't you know, we break up all the time.

460
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: And then I beg her to come back. Ah, I

461
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 1: would give her. You know, an engagement ring is an

462
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: empty gesture because we both you know, it was such

463
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 1: just a toxic relationship. Passion was very high, the passion

464
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: was very heavy. But um, you know that's all we

465
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: had was passion. Um, there was no real roots to

466
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: the relationship with still if wind would blow it over.

467
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: So I beg her to come back from Hawaii, should

468
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: come back, and then you know, the passion would be

469
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: great for two or three days and then we'd be

470
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: right out of each other's throats again. Um. But the

471
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: last time she left, she went to Indonesia to start

472
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: a bathing suit company. Yeah, I don't think it worked out,

473
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: but she left and I just it really hurt. I

474
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: was like, I just don't come back, you know, I don't.

475
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: I can't do this anymore. And she stayed, and you know,

476
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: like I always did, a few days later, I beg

477
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: you to come back, and she said, nah, now we're

478
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,239
Speaker 1: really through. So then you go through after you live

479
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: with somebody for four years, you know, it's not like

480
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: in the movies. It's not just like I'll see you later,

481
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, then you go through the process of trying

482
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: to get all of their ship out of your house,

483
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: and then you put it on the storage unit. And

484
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 1: then after a while you're like, hey, and I don't

485
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: want to pay for your storage unit anymore. It's only

486
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: your stuff in there, and uh just gets really break

487
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: ups are ugly and bring out the worst in people,

488
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: certainly her. So since that relationship ended, did you take

489
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: advantage of any of the perks on the road? H

490
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: I think I was, you know, just just the fact

491
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: that it's suicide prevention month or awareness month rather. Um,

492
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: I think it's important to say that I was. That

493
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: was a heartbroken and just so lonely and just so devastated.

494
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: My grandmother had died at that point. She was gone,

495
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: And UM, I wrote a tune. It's actually gonna be

496
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: on my next rack. It's called Cadillac and all about

497
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, my old Cadillac. And you know I bought

498
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: a house with a garage for the reason of, you know,

499
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: killing myself that way. That was my whole plan, if

500
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: you want to call it a plan. Um. But then

501
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: I had a tour I had to go do, so

502
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: I figured why not go out doing what I love.

503
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: I can just I can drink and drug myself to

504
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: death out here while I'm playing music. It's a win win,

505
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: you know, I achieve what I'm setting out to do.

506
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: So I was too fucked up really to take advantage

507
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: of any of the parks on the road. Really, I

508
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: mean there was probably a a couple of drunk you know,

509
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: uh escapades, but nothing really ever failed a void and

510
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 1: I was just really oh, I mean put light on

511
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: the subject. There's this movie that John c Riley did

512
00:34:55,600 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: called Dewey Cox Walk Hard. It's just like, this is

513
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: such a dark fucking period. It's like that was mine. Um,

514
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: but in that dark period, I met uh Briley while

515
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: I was in Raleigh, North Carolina. I met Briley and uh,

516
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: you know, she just seemed like this light at the

517
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: end of the tunnel and she's really sassy and she

518
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: calls me on all my bullshit and she was you

519
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: know that night too, just like yeah, because I invite

520
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: her backstage, and she's like, what do you expect is

521
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: gonna happen? You know, I'll bet you invite everybody backstage.

522
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: It's no, you're special, You're special. And she is so

523
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 1: uh I'm glad she came along right, right, And but

524
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: you're she doesn't come on the road with you, right,

525
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: she does. Yeah, she comes on the road, so she's

526
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: there with you. Now. Well she's actually she went home

527
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: to see uh, her mama and her parents and bring

528
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: our little dog so they can watch her because this

529
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 1: is kind of a long run. So she's went home

530
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: and she's gonna meet us in Philadelphia tomorrow for the

531
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: first stop. Wow, that's cool. Okay, So when do you

532
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: first pick up the guitar? Man? I think that's about

533
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: three three or four, as soon as I could hold one.

534
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: And what was the inspiration? My dad, my grandpa, my

535
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: uncle's just seeing how elated everyone was after you know,

536
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 1: the family reunion or maybe thanksgivings. We'd go up to

537
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: my great grandfather, Morris King's house and he had an

538
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: old moonshine and still he'd show us the moonshine and

539
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: still at the back of the cornfield, and then everybody

540
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: would pick on the front porch. And the joy that

541
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: you could see on everybody's faces, the spectators and the

542
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: performers are all alike. Uh. I was like, I gotta

543
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: get in on that, you know, because even at a

544
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: young age, you you don't really understand a lot of

545
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: the pain, but you understand how to not feel it.

546
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: So music was something I really I really wanted to

547
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: grasp ahold of and then it grasped ahold of me.

548
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: And never take any lessons just from my dad. I

549
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 1: didn't take any formal lessons that along at a young age. Um,

550
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: a lot of my lessons. You know, my whole family

551
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: all learned how to play music, you know, by ear

552
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: no formal training of any kind. My grandfather was a

553
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: really really uh you know, worldly educated man. You know,

554
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 1: I think he probably only had up to an eighth

555
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: grade education if that. But he's a really smart guy.

556
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: So he would he would write out you know, now

557
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: I think you'd call it tablisher, but he was. He

558
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: was pretty much he would draw like a He would

559
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: trace my hand and then he'd draw the neck out,

560
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: and then he would draw circles where my fingers were

561
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: supposed to go. So it is tablisher actually. But he

562
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:17,800
Speaker 1: was doing this in like the fifties when he was

563
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: teaching my my dad to play. So, um, seeing them

564
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: play really made me want to get into it. Okay,

565
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: it's a kid, what music we're listening to other than

566
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: the music you were playing with your family. So yeah,

567
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: I keep mentioning gospel music. And I was in a

568
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: Pentecostal church, so, uh, the Mark what Mark Ward the

569
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: musical director there. They they would always do a lot

570
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: of Kirk Franklin and that kind of stuff, a lot

571
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: of contemporary gospel that was on the radio then. Um,

572
00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: and you know, whatever my sister was banging around on

573
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: the radio wasn't really doing it for me. So that's

574
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: when my my dad's music collection came to play, and

575
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: he had just had all of his tapes and records

576
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: all digitally transferred to CDs. CDs were a big thing,

577
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: so I was able to really rifle through those, a

578
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of Muddy Waters, Allman Brothers, Elmore,

579
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: James um Early, Leonard skinnerd H. Marshall, Tucker Band, God,

580
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: that was a big one. And I just sit and

581
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 1: listen to these records and try to learn everything I could,

582
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 1: absorb everything I could from And when did you decide

583
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: music was something you wanted to do for a career.

584
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: So I've answered this question before and I've always just

585
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: kind of said that I never thought otherwise, which is

586
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: really the truth. And you know, just to expand on that,

587
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: when I was in sixth grade, I, um, we did

588
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: this test that was kind of like what are you

589
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: gonna be when you grow up kind of thing, and

590
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: my test results came back and said I was going

591
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: to be a small set director, which is the guy

592
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: that you know organizes the mannequins in the mall, And uh,

593
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: miss Austin, I don't think I want to do that.

594
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: I actually really like playing music. Well, you gotta be

595
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: good if you want to play music professionally, right, all right?

596
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: And I also got denied being in the school choir

597
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: that same year, so I had a you know, a

598
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: lot of proof. I guess miss Adams and Miss Alston

599
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: if you're listening, but um, yeah, I just never thought

600
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: really otherwise after that point in my life. Sixth grade,

601
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: I was like, music is it? And when did you

602
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: start playing in Ben's And when did you started playing

603
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: for money out? By the time I was eleven. First

604
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: time I played on stage, I was eight years old,

605
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 1: played on stage with my dad and my grandfather. I

606
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: think that was the only time I got to really

607
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: play with my grandfather because he got really sick after

608
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: that and he passed when I was about fourteen, and

609
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: it was one of a few times I got to

610
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 1: play with my uncle on bass because he passed when

611
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: I was about fifteen. So, uh, that is a really

612
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: good memory for me to have played with like all

613
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: the family. You know, those a couple of occasions. But

614
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: when I was about thirteen, or rather when I was eleven,

615
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: that's when I did my first record on my on

616
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: my dad's record. That's when I did my first studio session. Uh.

617
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: And he did a record called Huge in Europe, which

618
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: is just meant to be a joke, like nobody knows

619
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: is here, but we're huge and Europe kind of um,

620
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 1: which now it actually does get it does sell some

621
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: copies in Europe, which is ironic. Um. So that's the

622
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: first time I was in the studio, and then I

623
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 1: started playing with his band for a few years, and

624
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: when I was fourteen and a half, I was able

625
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: to get my license and or my learners permit. So

626
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: then my goal was, you know, with this learners permit,

627
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: I can drive with a license driver in the car,

628
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: and you know who's gonna turn down a gig where

629
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: you can drink as much as you want. I'll drive

630
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: you home. I've got the p a, your rig, my

631
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 1: rig all in the back of the car. Let's go.

632
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: So I started working with a student of my dad's actually,

633
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: who was taking bass lessons from my dad because my

634
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: dad gave basin like guitar lessons and Anthony house John

635
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: a band. So he was like eighteen and I was

636
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: about fourteen and a half fifteen, and my drummer. We

637
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: went through a handful of drummers at the time that

638
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: we're all like grown men with families. So I'd keep

639
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: us working like four or five nights a week, and

640
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: over the phone, you don't know you were talking to

641
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,200
Speaker 1: a fourteen year old. So I'd call and and book

642
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: us in all the surrounding areas, or I'd send emails

643
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: under a fake name to make it seem like we

644
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: had representation and we didn't. And then we just tore

645
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:38,279
Speaker 1: around him a minivan. We'd go no more than four

646
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: for four or five hours outside of Greenville so I

647
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: could get back in time to go to school next morning.

648
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: And what kind of music were you playing? And what

649
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: kind of joints were these? They weren't particularly the kind

650
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: of joints you wanted. Fourteen or fifteen year old of

651
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: your own go to Uh. My dad just had a

652
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: lot of confidence in me. And you know, I got

653
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: it in a little bit of trouble while I was

654
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: doing that, and but nothing really crazy. It was all

655
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: pretty harmless fun. But my dad trusted me. And you know,

656
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: I'd always bring a drummer along, like I said, to

657
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: be kind of a chaperone. Um. Tracy little John was

658
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: my last working drummer actually, uh before Jack joined a group.

659
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: And Tracy was from Spartanburg or actually Tracy from Gaffney.

660
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: So Tracy little John was not the type of dude

661
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: you would want to suk with. And he's passed away

662
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: now and got rested soul. But he'd have a gun

663
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: and his stick bag at all times. And I give

664
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: the cous for behind us. He tell us all to

665
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: put our put our little stash and his drum bag

666
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 1: because he's like I could take a pinch and um,

667
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, he wouldn't let anybody mess with men on

668
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 1: the road. Uh. I missed that guy a lot, think

669
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: about him often. But um, the top of music we

670
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: were playing, you know, we we try to. We had

671
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: a throwback sound and when you're in the Carolinas. You

672
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: can get away with playing you know, like uh like

673
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: Willie t anything that had a shuffle to it, because

674
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: people can shag anything that's kind of like beach music.

675
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 1: And we get away with playing like some old country,

676
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: some Little Feet, Almond Brothers, that kind of stuff. So

677
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: people just ate it up and we slipped original material

678
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: into the set, and then it just started to grow

679
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: and it started to expand. And when I was seventeen,

680
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: I said, I've had them bet enough of this town.

681
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm leaving. So that's what we did. Okay, so

682
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 1: you're playing these gigs, how many people were there? How

683
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 1: much money you did? You get paid? So you know,

684
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: I remember when I was sixteen years old, UM, one

685
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: of the many runnings I had with a club owner.

686
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: He's a friend of mine now, Ben Dixon owned Chakora Alley. Um,

687
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: they said three dollars, you got a four piece group,

688
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 1: play three hundred dollars. Don't play this Saturday, And they'd

689
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: be like two hundred people there because people would turn

690
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: out to watch the football game or to watch anything

691
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: else that was on. So I at a young age

692
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: realized people are coming to drink, and they're coming to

693
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: watch the game, and they're coming to hang out with

694
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 1: their friends and you are a lot of noise in

695
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: the background. So how do we engage them and make

696
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: them want to hear us and make them come back

697
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: to where we're at the top of that priority list? Right?

698
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: So having house gigs agreeable at that young age. It

699
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: was in Asheville. I'd have like three or four house

700
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: gigs a week where I got to really you know,

701
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: I had a firsthand lesson and like how to read

702
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: an audience and how to really engage them and how

703
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: to keep them engaged, you know. So I'm really thankful

704
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: for those early years. But will you get paid like

705
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: three dollars? And one week I remember a keyboard player

706
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: couldn't make it. He was like, I'm not giving you

707
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: the full three because I only pay seventy a man.

708
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it works out at seventy a man,

709
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: but the deal was three d you know. Uh. So

710
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: they always try to get one over on me, And

711
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: one time they tried to do that in Spartanburg at

712
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: this place called Decades, kind of bar that you only

713
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: know it was there. If you knew it was there,

714
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: it's like behind like you know, uh, like a place

715
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 1: where you give blood, like a lab corps or some ship.

716
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: And on the other side of it was a police

717
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: uh uh, not a police station, but like the people

718
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: that answered the phone, so like a dispatch station. So

719
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: they are all the people at the despatch station outside

720
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes and stuff. And I had this drummer we

721
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: meant at the time, who I later found out was

722
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: uh selling large amounts of weed, so his van was

723
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: weighed down. And I said all that to say, in

724
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: this particular evening, we were playing too maybe two people,

725
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: and they happened to be dating the members of the band,

726
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: so there was nobody in the club, and the sign

727
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: said we played till one, but our agreement was we

728
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: played until twelve, so we got done at twelve, and

729
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: they said, well, we're not You know, we're not paying

730
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 1: you because sign says you played to one, So get

731
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: your aspect up there and finish your set er. We're

732
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: not paying you. So I took my grandfather's advice. On

733
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: this particular night, I had enough. Um, we gotta get paid.

734
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do is take your p a

735
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: and we'll pawn it and we'll get paid close to

736
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: what you're gonna pay us, and that's fair, and that's fine.

737
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: We don't mind loading it out, so we'll just take

738
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: it out this store. And uh, you know that's what

739
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: my grandfather told me to do. I was like, I

740
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,560
Speaker 1: gotta pay my boys, so we're gonna sell your ship

741
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: because you were supposed to pay us. And then out

742
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: of nowhere, all these big dudes just started coming out

743
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: of the walls. It seemed like this barb brawl ensued

744
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: that was instigated by fifteen year old meat and just

745
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: this fight started happening, and they jumped on the back

746
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: of Leo, and the people that were watching is the

747
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: audience is the dispatch unit smoke break, so they're all

748
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: out there smoking. So all they gotta do is go

749
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: in and let somebody know what's happening. So all of

750
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: sudden there was six police cars all around us, and uh,

751
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: my drummer at the time, they jumped in and rolled

752
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: his ankle and he's like, I don't want to press

753
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: in each others. I'm good, I just want to get

754
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: out of here. And I never really really understood that

755
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: until later I found out he was, you know, moving

756
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: around a lot of weight. But that's the kind of shenanigans.

757
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: We'd get into just trying to make a few dollars,

758
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: not get not get fucked with. Okay, you drop out

759
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 1: of high school, music is your career? In retrospect, say

760
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: I paid my dues ten thousand hours? What was going

761
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: through your head? You say, this is it where my

762
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: dream is X? Or what's gonna happen? Um? Man? I

763
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: just I just had like I've always kind of looked

764
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: at it like a like a pit bull mentality. You

765
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: know when the pit bull gets his jahas lot doing

766
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 1: something that's like it's not letting go, it's a death grip.

767
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:07,800
Speaker 1: And that's where I was just you know, I would

768
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 1: be so just astonished at the people that didn't believe

769
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: that this was gonna do something. Like my bass player's dad,

770
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: for instance, back in those days, it was like, you know, Anthony,

771
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 1: you need to go finish college and you know, become

772
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: a peuter computer programmer, and you need to you know,

773
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: get married and settled down. And just like when he

774
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: told me he couldn't do it anymore, he's going back

775
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:38,319
Speaker 1: to school, I was just like, what, like, just I

776
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 1: was taking it back because there's no part of me

777
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: that thought this was gonna fail. And for me, that's

778
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: that's how you make it is one no safety now,

779
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: you know, because I knew guys that would be on

780
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: the scene playing three nights a week and then they'd

781
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: go to school to be a doctor or whatever the hell.

782
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not gonna work. Is at a certain

783
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 1: point that's gonna pay a lot more in the short

784
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: run and the long run, I guess. But you gotta

785
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: have faith in yourself. So we just went after it

786
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:14,480
Speaker 1: and never turned back around. Yeah, okay, so you're doing it,

787
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 1: you know, and especially in today's era, everything moves very slowly.

788
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: What were you doing to move further down the board.

789
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: Did you feel like, oh, you just had to play

790
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: the right gig or you had to play more gigs.

791
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: You're right, you had to write a right song, you

792
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: had to record a song, You have to meet the

793
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: right people. I realized very early on that I wasn't

794
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: going to get a song on the radio more than likely, um,

795
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: because everything sounded to throwback what I was doing. And

796
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's come around a little bit, you know,

797
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 1: like people are putting out not these country songs and

798
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: gett a hit with it. Um. But at the time,

799
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: throwback just wasn't really it. So we get a lot

800
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: of love from fraternities, um, and those were the money gigs,

801
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: so roar, are excuse me a fraternity gigs? Those would

802
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: cover the bills for a little while, and then we

803
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: can get on down the road and we can play

804
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: more of our music and we can start to accumulate

805
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 1: a following on the road. Because I do two things

806
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: that weren't gonna get a song on the radio, and

807
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: my looks weren't gonna do it for me. So I said,

808
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: the only way to do this is to build a following.

809
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: And if we just started circling this country and we

810
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: just started hitting him from every angle, and I ain't

811
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: gonna be able to say no, you know. I mean

812
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: they can say no, but we're here. So when you

813
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: plead a fraternity at that time, what songs did you play?

814
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: And how much money was that gig worth? I don't

815
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: remember the exact amount of money. I mean they passed

816
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: like two grand and we'd be like, we're rich. You know,

817
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: we're finally going to get the van fixed, so we

818
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: don't have a worry it's gonna break down every few miles. Um,

819
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: And everything back in those days was very much so um,

820
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 1: everybody all for one, one for all, that kind of feeling.

821
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: And it's still very much that way on the road. Um.

822
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 1: The dynamics shifted a little sometimes, the one that kind

823
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,800
Speaker 1: of put a lot of the weight on my shoulders.

824
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: But in those days, we go playing fraternity and we'd

825
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: play I mean, we would play obscure Ship, we played

826
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: really whatever we wanted as long as we were jamming.

827
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't care because they just they all

828
00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: loved widespread panics. So we get away with playing like

829
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 1: compared to what by less McCann and we jam jammed

830
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: out for thirty minutes and cool. Okay. At that time,

831
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: who was booking the band? And how far away from

832
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: your home base would you go? So I was booking

833
00:54:55,560 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: the ban up until the time I was eighteen, and

834
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: we at that time, we're only going as far as

835
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, we'd go to Georgia. We're touring the Southeast predominantly.

836
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: That's about it. Uh. And when I was eighteen, a

837
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: buddy of ours, Bill Hahn, said he wanted to put

838
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: a little money into us. So he said, he flies

839
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:28,399
Speaker 1: out to California to maca record, and that's what we did,

840
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,640
Speaker 1: and when we got back, Uh, he had set up

841
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,520
Speaker 1: a meeting for us, because Bill went to the citadel

842
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: and those boys all look out for each other. And

843
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 1: as it would turn out, one of his Citadelle brothers

844
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: was a writer by the name of Jamison Clark. And

845
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: Jameson Clark used to be a big writer in Nashville

846
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: and had since retired and moved back to Greenville. And

847
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 1: he said, Marcus is gonna need an agent. I know

848
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: just the guy. So he put me in touch with

849
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 1: Brandon round Tree at William Morris Entertainment in Dever. Excuse me,

850
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:06,319
Speaker 1: he used to just be wearing us. And my grandfather's

851
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: name is William Morris King. So I said, hot hot dog,

852
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: that's what I'm supposed to be. And that's still my

853
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: agent now. So uh we went there very fresh faced,

854
00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: and he gave us a meeting. I mean he met

855
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: with us in the the lobby where they sell coffee.

856
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 1: He didn't take us up stairs, but he gave us

857
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,799
Speaker 1: the chance. And the first gig he booked for us

858
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: was Sea World, and uh, we had a gig at

859
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: sea World all day and then drove twelve hours back

860
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 1: to make it to a late night gig in Simpsonville,

861
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 1: South Carolina. So um, from there, he just started booking

862
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: us and continuing on that pattern of just hitting every

863
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: market as hard as we could, I mean as far

864
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 1: as we could go in a van anyway, you know.

865
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: And then a little more after that. So what were

866
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: you doing with the record? And was that a significant thing?

867
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: So I self released that record. Um, but you was

868
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,399
Speaker 1: at we put it out. Um. But for me as

869
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: I was never really interested in, you know, putting out

870
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: a record. I mean I knew it was important. I

871
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: know it's an important thing, but I was like, where

872
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: our money is coming from and where our following is

873
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 1: gonna come from is from the live shows. You know,

874
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 1: we need something to sell. We need a record to sell. Um.

875
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: And later the studio became more of my my friend

876
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: and more of a place where I could express myself

877
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: differently than I could on the stage. So I have

878
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: much more, I put much more stock, much more value,

879
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: appreciate it more now than I did then. So we

880
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: self released it. It's called Soul Insight, Uh, my clever

881
00:57:53,280 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: little name that I came out with. And then you know, well,

882
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: to say what I'm about to say, I'll go back

883
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: a few years when I just had a demo in

884
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: hand that just said Marcus King and Sharpie on the

885
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: front of it. And uh, I was trying to sneak

886
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: into the Orange pill in Asheville, North Carolina to get

887
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 1: a copy of this to Warren Haynes from the Olman

888
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 1: Brothers Man and uh, I made it in. I snuck

889
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 1: in with the caterers and they you know, I made

890
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: it in. I have my CD. I was ready, but

891
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know the layout of the building.

892
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: That was the only problem with my plans. So they

893
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: found me out, kicked me out. They tried to put

894
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: me in jail. Um, thank god they didn't. They just

895
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: called my dad and my dad said, don't lock him up.

896
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: He's just trying to get his music with somebody. And

897
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 1: as fate would have. My buddy, Rocky Rocky Linsley, um

898
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 1: songwriter from Asheville. He just passed away not too long ago, unfortunately.

899
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: But he sat waring down and his wife Stephanie and

900
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: his manager uh and said listen, sit down and listen.

901
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: They kept telling him like, oh, we're gonna check it out.

902
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 1: We're gona check it out. And this was so inside

903
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: that they played him, so, um, they listened and they

904
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:21,080
Speaker 1: heard me. So then we rereleased it on Evil Team

905
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: Records and I started working with hard Head Management right then.

906
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: And that was such a huge leap for me to

907
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 1: be able to have Warren Haynes's stamp of approval because

908
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: that you know, kind of grandfathered us in to that

909
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: Allman Brothers family, that community, and that's a real thick community.

910
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: So they really welcomed us with open arms. And you know,

911
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: that relationship didn't last unfortunately, and that wasn't my you know,

912
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: my choice, but I am really ain'tful to them. Why

913
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 1: did it not last? Well? Came in time to make

914
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: change in management, and uh, you know Warren's management manager

915
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: was my manager as well, but it also happened to

916
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: be his wife. So you know, when you mix business

917
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: and family, and I had to cut ties. Um, that

918
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: friendship that was there and I looked at stuff like

919
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: a mother figure. She looked out for me. But when

920
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: I cut that tie, they really really turned on me.

921
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: And that really broke my heart into a million pieces.

922
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 1: Um destroyed me. But uh, it was time. I had

923
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: to make a change. And you gotta do what's right

924
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:53,640
Speaker 1: for you business wise. But you know, I haven't talked

925
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 1: to one since then. And what were you looking for

926
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 1: from new management that you weren't getting? It? Needed somebody

927
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,560
Speaker 1: to focus on me. I needed somebody that was you

928
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: gonna help me get out from under the heel of

929
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: the southern rock thing, you know, because we're very much typecasted.

930
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 1: I wor a cowboy hat everywhere I go, for God's sakes,

931
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I am a I'm like a

932
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: cartoon depiction of like what a loud American is for

933
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: the most part. And I wanted to be more than that.

934
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to be able to do whatever kind of record.

935
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: And I didn't want to just be stuck in that

936
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: jam community because there's a ceiling there and you're never

937
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: gonna be bigger than fish or a grateful death, So

938
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:46,040
Speaker 1: what's the point in trying. And I'm more concerned about

939
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 1: the songs and the lyrical content. And I love a

940
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 1: jam band as much as the next guy, you know,

941
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: but I want to be me and I wasn't getting

942
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:59,640
Speaker 1: the attention that I needed um and when I was,

943
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 1: it was is placed. So I had to go and

944
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: I found a new manager that you know, heard me,

945
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 1: and it's been going pretty well, how did you how

946
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: did you find the new manager? Well, that word spread

947
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,800
Speaker 1: pretty quick, uh that I was making a move, and

948
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: we had we kind of lit a fire for ourselves

949
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: at that point. So that word spread and I had

950
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: about five meetings. I did them all in person, and

951
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,960
Speaker 1: those meetings varied from like taughting one guy who's actually

952
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 1: a good buddy of mine Nashville Fella spoke to him

953
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: next to our van in Albuquerque, New Mexico. And you know,

954
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: another meeting was held in a King's suite in Las Vegas, Nevada,

955
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: at the Flamingo Hotel and they had an easel and uh,

956
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: you know, power point presentation and all this. Uh. But

957
01:02:57,120 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 1: my manager, Aaron, and I sat down and had coffee

958
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 1: in l A and I was like, I like your style, man,

959
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: like the cut of your jib. Let's do this. And

960
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:12,920
Speaker 1: you know we're still working together. Then what did he change? Well,

961
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: that's a hard question to answer, really because there wasn't

962
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 1: much broke that needed to be fixed. It was more

963
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 1: a matter of expanding us into new markets and allowing

964
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: us to be you know, available to you know, a

965
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 1: younger crowd, more diverse crowd. Um, what's been really helpful

966
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 1: to me as an artist has been. If I do

967
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: what's completely me and what's true in my heart, I

968
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 1: just need somebody to push it because I'm not good

969
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 1: at telling myself. You know what I mean. The only

970
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: thing I could say about myself and it still comes

971
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: across to me is eager to to go as that. Um,

972
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: whatever I'm gonna tell you or whatever I might perform

973
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be honest. If you don't like it, it's fine,

974
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: but it's honest. It's true. Um, whether it's good or not,

975
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. But I can only assure you of

976
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 1: what one thing is that I'm not gonna bullshit you.

977
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 1: So how does it go from the Marcus King bend

978
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: to just Marcus King? So that was really just a

979
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:31,800
Speaker 1: decision of marketing because Marcus King band is who's on

980
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:36,000
Speaker 1: the road with us right now. That's my boys, Um,

981
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: but work with the producer like our back. He's got

982
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: this well oiled machine where he's just he's just got

983
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:48,160
Speaker 1: a couple of guys from the Memphis Boys, Bubby Would

984
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: and h h Gene, Bubba Christman, and he's got um

985
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: Billy Sandford on guitar who wrote riff for pretty Woman

986
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: his second day in Nashville. So he's got a thing

987
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I guess it's just a

988
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: market King record because my band wasn't on it. It

989
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 1: was really that honest of a decision. And then the

990
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: next one was the same situation, just with different guys.

991
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, when we're touring with a

992
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: Marcus King band, but it's just Marcus King. But then

993
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: all the press start to say Marcus King's first solo record,

994
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, no, well, I guess that's true,

995
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 1: but it wasn't because of that or this, and you know,

996
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: it was just a misunderstanding. Really. Uh, we still sell

997
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:36,600
Speaker 1: Marcus King band t shirts at this at the shows. Um,

998
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: a lot of people ask big questions on Instagram and stuff.

999
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, just come to this show man. All your answers.

1000
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: All your answers you'll find at the show. So the

1001
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: people you're working with, now, how long you've been working

1002
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:53,680
Speaker 1: with them? Uh? Shoot, when was that? I think since

1003
01:05:53,800 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, so few years. Okay, there's a video of

1004
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: you with the Capital Theater earlier this year and you're

1005
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: doing the Marshall Tucker band Ken You can't you see,

1006
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: and there's you know, just like old school uh double

1007
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,480
Speaker 1: drummer things. There's a percussionist, there's a drummer, there's a floutist,

1008
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: there's a woman who's playing guitar. Was that just a

1009
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: one night or I mean, how many people do you

1010
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: normally go out with? Mm? Hmm. So our man usually

1011
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: we have uh so that yeah, that particular night, that

1012
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: was our friend Hannah Wickland sitting in with us, who

1013
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: was opening for us at the time. Uh, And usually

1014
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:43,680
Speaker 1: we have it's a seven piece band, including myself, So

1015
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: that's every night. Okay, needless to say, the Allman Brothers

1016
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 1: were six. Let me put it in a different way,

1017
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,920
Speaker 1: how do you split the money? Well, it's a fine question.

1018
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: I put my boys uh salary because that's what they

1019
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 1: wanted to do early on. Not to get too uh

1020
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: too far into the business side of it, but um,

1021
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,760
Speaker 1: around the time we were doing Carolina Confessions, UM, it

1022
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: kind of came a time to put up or shut

1023
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:22,680
Speaker 1: up or get out. And you know, it was kind

1024
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:24,880
Speaker 1: of a decision of who's going to take the financial

1025
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 1: risk here, who's gonna sign on the dotted line? When

1026
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: the label came to sign a deal, they asked me

1027
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: for a signature. They didn't ask for six signatures, they

1028
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: asked for one. So that record deal came to me. Um,

1029
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm the one that put all the financial risk into

1030
01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:45,000
Speaker 1: the band, and I gave everybody the opportunity to do so.

1031
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 1: And they decided that they wanted two play it safer

1032
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: and and do more of a salaried employee more of

1033
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 1: a hired gun kind of situation. So we have an

1034
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: employment agreement with each other as their employer. I pay

1035
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: them fair wages and I take good care of my

1036
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:07,440
Speaker 1: boys because they are my boys. But what do you

1037
01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: do over COVID wouldn't goodn't work? Well? Luckily enough, we

1038
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: had enough in that Randy Day fund to keep everybody

1039
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: on salary for about six months. And once that ran out, Uh,

1040
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 1: we got a little bit of government cheese that let

1041
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: us go a little bit further. And you know, once

1042
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: the money went away, as like, I don't know what

1043
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. So we started, you know, trying to

1044
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:39,520
Speaker 1: work anyway. We could, started doing drive in shows, um,

1045
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: socially distanced concerts, uh. And we'd even do like live

1046
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: stream shows, just anyway to try to create some revenue

1047
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: and get the boys paid. Uh. And I always make

1048
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,719
Speaker 1: a real effort to take care of my guys because

1049
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 1: you know how loyal is a hungry really you know,

1050
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 1: your dog will eat you if you're stuck in the

1051
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: house for over many days. Well for those who for

1052
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 1: those have been in the business, you know for a

1053
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: long time, the more musicians you take, you know, the

1054
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,520
Speaker 1: costs starts to spiral. There's not only salary, there's equipment,

1055
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:25,920
Speaker 1: there's hotel rooms, there's busses, there's uh trucks. Are you

1056
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: just saying you're investing in your career. Are you making

1057
01:09:29,240 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 1: any money on the road? Yeah, man, I mean there's

1058
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: a lot of overhead. So that was you know, kind

1059
01:09:36,439 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: of that decision. Was that the financial risk that I

1060
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: referred to as, like you said, there's seven office, there's

1061
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 1: two buses out here. You know, we go and do

1062
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: tours um in Europe where when in the red, we're

1063
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: pretty deep in the red. And you know, the band

1064
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: they don't see any of that hit. They get paid

1065
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: no matter what. I don't get paid, no matter what,

1066
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, I find it to be the best. When

1067
01:10:09,080 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: the leader eats last. I want to make sure that

1068
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: my boys are fed first. So take care of the

1069
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: crew and I take care of the band, and you know,

1070
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 1: we make decisions like just like back in the day

1071
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 1: when we would do a fraternity party, you know now,

1072
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: I mean how I still do fraternity parties. I don't care.

1073
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: They're fun. Those are fun gigs. Those boys always take

1074
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 1: carrying me down Tuscaloosa and uh wherever else. But now

1075
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,680
Speaker 1: we'll go and do a corporate function or something that

1076
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: pays pretty well. And that money will, you know, make

1077
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 1: up for the loss that we had on a West

1078
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,479
Speaker 1: coast tour that didn't you know. And it's not that

1079
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 1: people aren't coming to these shows, it's that the travel

1080
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 1: and all the other overhead is so much, you know,

1081
01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: especially after COVID, ma'am, and cost of fuel. Everything is

1082
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: such a such a pitch right now, and um, traveling

1083
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: with seven people is not cheap. Okay. Now you will

1084
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,479
Speaker 1: talk about being pigeonholed in the gam bend circuit. How

1085
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 1: did you get out of that? And to what to grieve?

1086
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:25,880
Speaker 1: You decided to only play headline dates. Well, I remember

1087
01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:31,240
Speaker 1: seeing uh Crongben. They were playing on jam Cruise And

1088
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: first time I saw Crongben was four or five years

1089
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,839
Speaker 1: ago at the Williamsburg Music Hall. Me and Chris Robinson

1090
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 1: went to see him, and I was a fan of

1091
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:49,760
Speaker 1: theirs before that, and they have blown all the way up,

1092
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 1: which I love. But you know, they would only play

1093
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 1: like one quote unquote jammy event a year because they

1094
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,040
Speaker 1: didn't want to get in that same position that we

1095
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,599
Speaker 1: were trying to crawl out of. So I said, well,

1096
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:07,720
Speaker 1: work for them, maybe that's what we'll do. And I

1097
01:12:07,760 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 1: saw Jason is what kind of doing the same thing, uh,

1098
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 1: because he wanted to be considered more of a writer

1099
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,960
Speaker 1: m less of a jam band because he can from

1100
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: the drive by truckers. So I'd only see him at

1101
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: you know, Locking every year or something like that festival

1102
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 1: that's more jam in nature. Um. So that was kind

1103
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 1: of the attempt. And I also I felt a lot

1104
01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: of pressure as a jam band because sometimes I don't

1105
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 1: feel like playing this song for thirty minutes, you know

1106
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 1: what I mean. The energy comes from the crowd, it's

1107
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: a it's a back and forth for me. So I'm

1108
01:12:47,479 --> 01:12:50,840
Speaker 1: not that song is three minutes because that's what's written,

1109
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: that's how it is on the record. And I'm not

1110
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:59,360
Speaker 1: getting any reciprocation. I'm not feeling any love um, sometimes

1111
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: just gonna be at a minute song. And I started

1112
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: feeling pressured to have to extend and jam everything out,

1113
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: and also pressure to not repeat songs on a run,

1114
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: you know. I was like, this is a great opener.

1115
01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't we open with it again tomorrow? I'm trying

1116
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 1: to put on a show. I'm trying to put on

1117
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: a show, and this is really tight, um. And I'd

1118
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: catch a lot of flat from tapers or from you know,

1119
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:27,519
Speaker 1: people that weren't even there. They're like, soe Ler's starting

1120
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: to look kind of similar. I'm like, yeah, because it's tight.

1121
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: It's a tight set. So we're running the songs that

1122
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,479
Speaker 1: are on the record that we're promoting. I don't know

1123
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: that part of it just always didn't make sense to me.

1124
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: So uh, a lovely jam community. However, so to what

1125
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 1: degree will you open other than festivals? Or you would

1126
01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:57,600
Speaker 1: just want to headline? Um? I mean I'd just like

1127
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: to play. I'll play to anybody that will listen. You know,

1128
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 1: I've I've drunkenly sang in many hotel lobbies. Anybody that

1129
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,360
Speaker 1: will listen, I'm happy to do it. So I love

1130
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:14,599
Speaker 1: opening for people, especially a crew like Chris Stepton's crew,

1131
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 1: who took such good care of us. Uh, Festival dates

1132
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:23,479
Speaker 1: are always fun. I mean headline shows, that's that's my

1133
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:28,080
Speaker 1: bread and butter, because there's complete freedom to do what

1134
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: we want, you know. For example, I mean, we have

1135
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 1: a comedian with us on this run, and that's something

1136
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 1: I've I've always wanted to do because I watch reruns

1137
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 1: of you know, Midnight Special with my grandfather and you'd

1138
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 1: see Cosby or Prior or Carlin or Robert Klein going

1139
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 1: on before Steely Dan or uh you know Red Bone

1140
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 1: or somebody like that. Uh. I just you know, James

1141
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 1: Brown had a comedian that would travel with him and

1142
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: MC that would kind of open the show. So we

1143
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: have a comedian in on the road, we have uh

1144
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: first of three, Ashland Craft, who's an incredible up and

1145
01:15:06,360 --> 01:15:09,400
Speaker 1: coming artist in Nashville. When we have Neil Francis opening

1146
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:12,120
Speaker 1: for us, So it's kind of like a variety show

1147
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: in a way that we're taken around and you really

1148
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:17,679
Speaker 1: only get that kind of freedom when it's your your

1149
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 1: headlines show. Okay, how did you end up working with

1150
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 1: DNA our back man? Um, I'm just I've been I say, yes,

1151
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, I've always made a habit just to say yes.

1152
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, in this industry, you're gonna you're

1153
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: gonna get fucked, And I think it's an inevitability. You're

1154
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,320
Speaker 1: gonna get fucked, you're gonna get your heart broken sometimes

1155
01:15:50,360 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: at the same time, So just say yes. If somebody

1156
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: wants to steal your publishing, um, well, let me rephrase that.

1157
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: You know, nobody's trying to steal your publish it. If

1158
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: it's in their hands and they know what they're doing

1159
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: with it and they have the incentive to use it

1160
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: or do something with it, it's probably better than me

1161
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,639
Speaker 1: according it. And I don't know what the hell I'm

1162
01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: doing with it. I don't know. I don't know. That's

1163
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:19,720
Speaker 1: a tangent for for another day maybe, But um, what

1164
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 1: was I saying? Oh? Yeah, So I was playing a

1165
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 1: gig and we were in Phoenix, Arizona, playing a festival,

1166
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: and we had to go on right after White Denham,

1167
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 1: which is always and a pretty big undertaking. Um, because

1168
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: we actually talked about taking White Denham on the road

1169
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: with us once. I was like, they scared the ship

1170
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 1: out of me, let's do it. That would be sense

1171
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 1: of intimidating shell every night, but um, I digress. I

1172
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 1: got a call that next day from my management at

1173
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: the time that said Dan Albert wants to get together

1174
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 1: and right, so I said, well, you know what to do?

1175
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: Change my flight, So I'm going to Nashville. I lived

1176
01:16:58,520 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 1: in South Carolina at the time, and I was meant

1177
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 1: to go home to Greenville for three days and then

1178
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 1: fly to France. So I, uh, I said, I'm going

1179
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,679
Speaker 1: to Nashville. And I went there and wrote with Dan

1180
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:16,439
Speaker 1: for three days and we just instantly hit it off

1181
01:17:16,479 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: and became friends. Um. Then what happened I think the

1182
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: end of I ended up moving to Nashville and uh,

1183
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,160
Speaker 1: the start of twenty nineteen, we recorded El Dorado. Okay,

1184
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,679
Speaker 1: you mentioned Chris Robinson earlier. You know, you talked about

1185
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: a relatively lonely upbringing. You know you've obviously met all

1186
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 1: these people. Are you friends with these people or they're

1187
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:49,439
Speaker 1: just part of the scene, like you're part of the scene. Yeah.

1188
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean Chris and I we we've always remained in touch. Um.

1189
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: Being on the road with him was all was a

1190
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:03,040
Speaker 1: real roller coaster. Man. It was really cool because I

1191
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:07,720
Speaker 1: think he's one of the most charismatic front men. Um.

1192
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: You know in the last thirty years for sure. So

1193
01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:15,720
Speaker 1: I had just uh a boot camp of rock and

1194
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: roll Royalty on stage with me oddly freed, you know,

1195
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: Andy Hess and uh, I'm really thankful for those moments

1196
01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: that we had. But I saw him at in front

1197
01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,880
Speaker 1: of ours wedding not too long ago, and he seems

1198
01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 1: to be doing good. Right, Okay, So how long did

1199
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 1: it take to do El Toronto? Three days? Were the

1200
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:49,439
Speaker 1: songs already written? Yeah, So the writing process um was

1201
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: collectively like two weeks over like a three month period.

1202
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 1: UM would kind of be touch and go because Dan

1203
01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: and I were both pretty busy, um and we wead

1204
01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 1: a tune. You know. I think that Dan was attracted

1205
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: to Nashville for the same reason I was, which was,

1206
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 1: you know, you don't feel rushed, but everything gets done

1207
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: quickly because everybody's so good at what they do, and

1208
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 1: writers come in and you know, what are we talking about?

1209
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 1: You know, and then you got verse, verse, chorus, lunch verse,

1210
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: you know, and then you go on. So the songs

1211
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:30,920
Speaker 1: just talking about me leaving home when I was seventeen,

1212
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 1: and we had a theme for the record and we

1213
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: just chased it. And the band that I mentioned earlier.

1214
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: I mean they listened to the demo tape. Dave Row

1215
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 1: who was Jerry Reid's based player and son in law.

1216
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 1: Uh would write out a chart. They'd make eight copies

1217
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:51,760
Speaker 1: or how many people are in the band had him

1218
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 1: around and you know that was that would do one

1219
01:19:57,439 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: maybe two takes something. Well, it's your record. They're getting

1220
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 1: paid for doing the session. Were you just letting Dan steer?

1221
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 1: Would you ever see? Man? I want to do that again. Man,

1222
01:20:10,600 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 1: whenever I'm in a studio with Dan, I've I've got

1223
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 1: such confidence in him as a producer, and I always did,

1224
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: but um, it wasn't I really excuse me. I started

1225
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: feeling even more that way when I realized that he

1226
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: produced Luckdown by Dr John. When I realized that, I

1227
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: was like, I'll never have to ask him another question, man,

1228
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,439
Speaker 1: that record is perfect from talking about him. So we're

1229
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: in the studio, there's a mutual respect for one another

1230
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:48,639
Speaker 1: that kind of allows for him to be in full

1231
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,040
Speaker 1: production mode and for me to be in full artist

1232
01:20:51,120 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: mode at all times, and there's very little that we

1233
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: have to tell one another or critique in one another

1234
01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 1: as artist or producer. And you know, he's such a

1235
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:07,719
Speaker 1: calm energy too. He's got a very nautical like Captain

1236
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: Ahab kind of presence behind that that console, and you

1237
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:14,800
Speaker 1: see him and you just know everything's going the way

1238
01:21:14,840 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: it should be going. Okay, you talk about Dan tracked

1239
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:25,320
Speaker 1: you down, does anybody else tracked you down to work? Yeah? So,

1240
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:33,240
Speaker 1: um Rick Rubin actually uh towards the end of but

1241
01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 1: let's let's hold that for a second, because that couldn't

1242
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: down later. From an external viewpoint, the breakthrough is El Dorado.

1243
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: Would that be accurate from the inside? I think so, man.

1244
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the most I ever pushed myself musically stylistically.

1245
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:58,799
Speaker 1: So I just I want to because I love my band.

1246
01:21:59,040 --> 01:22:02,240
Speaker 1: They pushed me every night musically. But we know each other.

1247
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:07,320
Speaker 1: We're almost two in each other's heads, you know, musically,

1248
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: so obviously like really great ideas or birth from that.

1249
01:22:13,160 --> 01:22:16,560
Speaker 1: But I wanted something different. I wanted something completely fresh.

1250
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't gonna have any you know, it wasn't gonna

1251
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 1: be derivative of anything I've ever done. So when Dan

1252
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 1: and I first first collaborated, I was like, I think

1253
01:22:26,240 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 1: this is it. So it was a breakthrough from me

1254
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:34,559
Speaker 1: personally as an artist, and you know, I mean, like

1255
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,840
Speaker 1: you said, it was the breakthrough record, you know externally

1256
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: as well. Did you know it was going to have

1257
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:47,719
Speaker 1: the impact it did? Um? I was, you know, hopeful.

1258
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:53,640
Speaker 1: I think any artist would be. Um, there wasn't much

1259
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:57,200
Speaker 1: about it that I felt like cringe e about, you know.

1260
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,799
Speaker 1: And like I mentioned earlier, I was. I was completely

1261
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:04,559
Speaker 1: ruthful on the whole record, so um, and on anything

1262
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: I do, I won't I won't say something that I

1263
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 1: think it's bullshit on record or sounds cheesy to me.

1264
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 1: And thankfully Dan didn't asked me to do anything like that.

1265
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: And UM, I just felt confident in the record. You know, Okay,

1266
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: that record comes out on Concord. Now you're with Rick

1267
01:23:22,840 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: and Republic what went on there? So that was kind

1268
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: of like a timing thing. So I was with Concorde

1269
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 1: Fantasy Records actually and Margie Fantasy such a swell human being,

1270
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: just fantastic. And my good friend Joe McEwen, who was

1271
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: my first day and r guy I ever had. He uh,

1272
01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:49,800
Speaker 1: he was there and he was the only reason I

1273
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:54,320
Speaker 1: was gonna stay at Fantasy. And Rick came up because

1274
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 1: at the time I was on Bicycle Publishing and that

1275
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 1: contract ran out and American Songs. You know, was interested

1276
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,639
Speaker 1: in my publishing to do a co publishing deal. So

1277
01:24:07,360 --> 01:24:09,639
Speaker 1: Rick Rubin called me after he saw the Grand Old

1278
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:14,040
Speaker 1: Opera performance and we just talked. You know, I gotta

1279
01:24:14,080 --> 01:24:17,960
Speaker 1: feel for one another, um, which I which I really

1280
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: admire because he owns American Publishing and American Records American Songs,

1281
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: excuse me, um. So I saw him publishing with him.

1282
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 1: And then I was thinking about maybe making a move

1283
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 1: from my current label to something a little bigger, and

1284
01:24:34,560 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: there were a lot of names on the table, and uh,

1285
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: I decided I was gonna stay just because Joe McEwen

1286
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: was such a close friend of mine. And then I

1287
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 1: found out through the grapevine that he was actually retiring.

1288
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: So I was like, all right, I think it's time

1289
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 1: for a change. And Rick offered me the best deal

1290
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: that anybody did. So I signed on paper in Malibu

1291
01:24:56,720 --> 01:25:00,439
Speaker 1: and here we are. Okay, so you're dealing is done

1292
01:25:00,479 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 1: with Fantasy Concord. Yeah, there was no you know, I

1293
01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: called Margie directly, I spoke to Tom Wally directly. I mean,

1294
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: there was no hard feelings on my on my part.

1295
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:13,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure they were sad to see me go and

1296
01:25:13,640 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 1: everyone I worked with there are still friends and no

1297
01:25:17,200 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: hard feelings. It was just a timing thing. And she

1298
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: was like, I get it. It's a step in the

1299
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:24,360
Speaker 1: right direction for your career, so we're happy for you.

1300
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: So I thought that's great. So did Rick have any

1301
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,839
Speaker 1: input into the new record, which certainly is hard ridged?

1302
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:41,880
Speaker 1: And how did that come about? Um? So Dan, you know,

1303
01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 1: and I really had the idea for this record. Um.

1304
01:25:47,320 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: And you know, again, I've been really lucky, really blessed

1305
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:59,880
Speaker 1: us too, have the confidence um, and everyone that I

1306
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: work with, like for Rick for example, he's like, we

1307
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,160
Speaker 1: have confidence in you to do what you do and

1308
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:07,280
Speaker 1: we know it's gonna good. It's gonna sound good. So

1309
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: thank God for that. And me and Dan decided we

1310
01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,599
Speaker 1: wanted to do this great, big, arena rock sounding record.

1311
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:15,759
Speaker 1: But when I say arena rock, a lot of people

1312
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:21,240
Speaker 1: think Rat Poison, Molly Crewe. But I go to you know,

1313
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:27,519
Speaker 1: Cream at Royal Albert Hall or Jethrowsull, you know that

1314
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:31,320
Speaker 1: kind of sound at late sixties arena style, like huge

1315
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,479
Speaker 1: custom cabinets, huge orange cabinets, you know, across the stage.

1316
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:39,680
Speaker 1: That's what I want. A grand funk railroad. So me

1317
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 1: and Dan were on the same page there, and the

1318
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 1: breakup just happened to be just before we started writing,

1319
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 1: so I was able to say a lot. I had

1320
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: a lot of lyrical content. Okay, this record is done,

1321
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 1: it's relatively new, and it's released cycle next time around.

1322
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Would you just stick Dane or would you entertain other options?

1323
01:27:04,160 --> 01:27:06,920
Speaker 1: So it's funny you mentioned that, because you know, I've

1324
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:09,720
Speaker 1: I've actually got like eleven tims in the can that

1325
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:15,799
Speaker 1: I've been working with, uh, someone else on UM for

1326
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 1: about a year, just because it's kind of like my

1327
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: pet project. I go back to it and uh, it's

1328
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 1: it's more or less like a prequel to Young Blood.

1329
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:30,679
Speaker 1: It's Uh, it's a collection of songs about mental health

1330
01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 1: primarily and you know, the suffers of a relationship with

1331
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:41,800
Speaker 1: someone in that state of mind. So, uh, I think

1332
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:45,680
Speaker 1: that might be my next work that comes out. UM.

1333
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 1: There's also another record I'm working on, and I'm really excited.

1334
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,160
Speaker 1: This is actually gonna be the first place that I

1335
01:27:51,200 --> 01:27:55,360
Speaker 1: announce it publicly UM, which I hope is not pretty

1336
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: mature because everything is not you know, confirmed yet. But

1337
01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:03,080
Speaker 1: Paul Riddle and I Paul Riddle, the original drummer from

1338
01:28:03,120 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 1: the Marshall Tucker Band UM one and only original drummer. UM.

1339
01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 1: We started working together, uh with Hotel Burbridge as well,

1340
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: and UH then Skills involved. It's a project that's pretty much,

1341
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:27,240
Speaker 1: you know, our Southern response to Deaden Company. It's it's

1342
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:30,160
Speaker 1: our opportunity for us to get Marshall Tucker's music out

1343
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 1: where it needs to be and appreciated once again. So

1344
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,200
Speaker 1: I think the name we're going to potentially go for

1345
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: his Tucker and Company if we can make it happen. Okay,

1346
01:28:41,439 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 1: how'd you end up working with Zach Brown? He called me?

1347
01:28:46,080 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 1: He called me one day. It seems to be this

1348
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 1: pattern in my life. I remember I was in Santa

1349
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:56,440
Speaker 1: Cruz on a day off. I was horrifically hungover, potentially

1350
01:28:56,439 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 1: the most hungover ever been in my life. UM, I

1351
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: got a call from a Georgia number. I this is,

1352
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 1: but I'm not answering. I got a text message and

1353
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 1: he sa, hey, man is Zach Brown called me back?

1354
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 1: So I called him. I called him back and we

1355
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 1: just shout the ship for a couple of hours, and UH,

1356
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 1: come to find out, I guess he was just feeling

1357
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 1: me out because he was getting ready to write for

1358
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: uh uh come back. So um he asked me to

1359
01:29:26,439 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: come right with him and uh Ben Simon Eddie in

1360
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: Southern Ground in Nashville, and uh then we just we

1361
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 1: just quickly became really good buddies. You know. Zack's just

1362
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:41,759
Speaker 1: the kind of guy. I was out in downtown Nashville

1363
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:46,040
Speaker 1: or midtown at the uh the Red Door saloon. I

1364
01:29:46,120 --> 01:29:49,320
Speaker 1: met a bunch of college kids. Uh they recognized me,

1365
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,439
Speaker 1: so we just started partying together and the bar closed.

1366
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:54,920
Speaker 1: So I was like, man Zack, Stude, I only meant

1367
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,760
Speaker 1: Zack one time prior to this. I was like, man

1368
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Zack studios around the corner. Let's just go over there.

1369
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: I know they're working. So we just went over there,

1370
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:03,800
Speaker 1: and I told him. I was like, I got like

1371
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,559
Speaker 1: six college kids with me and from how to Study's

1372
01:30:06,600 --> 01:30:09,320
Speaker 1: all right? He said, yeah, man, bring them all. So

1373
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: we just went over there. That's just the kind of

1374
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:15,280
Speaker 1: guy he is. Man. He loves family, and he is

1375
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: a sweet fella. And uh me and my wife to

1376
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 1: be actually spent Easter with him and uh his wife

1377
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:27,760
Speaker 1: to be this year. UH really blessed to have that

1378
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 1: man in my life. He's a good, good boy. Needless

1379
01:30:37,400 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: to say, things were different in the hey day of

1380
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:44,160
Speaker 1: the Almond Brothers, skinnerd and Tucker, where you know, you

1381
01:30:44,240 --> 01:30:46,680
Speaker 1: had an album every year or two years, where now

1382
01:30:46,720 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want now. You said earlier

1383
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: that originally you were less into the records. How into

1384
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 1: the records are you now and to what degree do

1385
01:30:57,280 --> 01:31:00,280
Speaker 1: you have to space out the records or you know, hey,

1386
01:31:00,479 --> 01:31:02,599
Speaker 1: one of these records that don't come out four months

1387
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: from now. I think I like that question a lot, man.

1388
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:12,760
Speaker 1: You know, for me, I'm I have a lot more

1389
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 1: freedom in studio. You know, I'm allowed, I'm allowed to

1390
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:19,800
Speaker 1: play with more ideas. Um. And that's certainly the case

1391
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: with a lot of stuff I've been doing very recently. Um,

1392
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: because I was actually putting some you know, final touches

1393
01:31:29,080 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 1: on the next record on the day that Young Blood

1394
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,719
Speaker 1: came out. So I like that. I like to always

1395
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:40,240
Speaker 1: have something ready to go, ready to be released. Um.

1396
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 1: But this next record after young Blood, I think it's

1397
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 1: gonna be a little different than what people are used

1398
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 1: to hearing me do. So for that reason, I want

1399
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,880
Speaker 1: to have a live record in the chamber, ready to

1400
01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 1: ready to pop, or like the Marshall Tucker tribute record.

1401
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:57,840
Speaker 1: I want to have that ready to go, because I

1402
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:01,439
Speaker 1: never want people to only have something new from me

1403
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 1: and they don't like it. I want there to be

1404
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 1: like I don't like this, but there's also another new

1405
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 1: thing from him that I do like. I understand that.

1406
01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: Believe me, there's options. Who did you work with on

1407
01:32:14,479 --> 01:32:18,720
Speaker 1: this new record? Uh? That's something Rick and I did, um,

1408
01:32:18,760 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: just the two of us. And I haven't told anybody

1409
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,680
Speaker 1: about that, so I don't I don't know. Uh, my,

1410
01:32:25,680 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: my publicists and all that are gonna you know, get

1411
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: on to listen. In today's world where it's hard to

1412
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 1: get any message out, it's like if you say it,

1413
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 1: the more people, it's hard to reach anybody. Yeah, okay,

1414
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: why do you use an orange amplifier? UM? I just

1415
01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:48,639
Speaker 1: always thought they looked cool, man. I mean, that's that's

1416
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:52,960
Speaker 1: the shallow answer. But also they came to me, um,

1417
01:32:54,040 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 1: they they approached me about making an app. UM. Well up,

1418
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 1: here's some backstory. I used to use this bootique amplifier

1419
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:07,840
Speaker 1: UM by this fellow who made him in Hershey, Pennsylvania,

1420
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: and he would put wax in them and stuff so

1421
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,599
Speaker 1: you couldn't dissect the schematics in the amp. And they

1422
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,560
Speaker 1: would break all the time because they'd ride around in

1423
01:33:15,600 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 1: a trailer and they're beautiful, just amazing sounding tube amplifiers.

1424
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 1: And I won't say any names just because the story

1425
01:33:23,560 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: takes a dark turn, right. So he it was very

1426
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: particular about who could work on his amps, and he

1427
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 1: didn't want anybody to be able to open him up. Yeah,

1428
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,280
Speaker 1: I'd be on the West coast. He'd be like, ship

1429
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:39,680
Speaker 1: it to me in Hershey, Pennsylvania, I'll fix it. And

1430
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: they just always be broken. And I had no you know,

1431
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,679
Speaker 1: no spare and no you know, no options really. So

1432
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: when we'd go overseas, Orange gave us a deal where

1433
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: they'd let us take out base cabs and guitar caves

1434
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:55,200
Speaker 1: and all that on the house, just because they wanted

1435
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 1: us to look like Orange investadors. So when I came

1436
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:01,160
Speaker 1: back to the States, I was like, that's the move.

1437
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:05,160
Speaker 1: Orange is really giving us a lot of free amplifiers.

1438
01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 1: They've helped us out, let's scratch their backs. So I

1439
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:10,320
Speaker 1: switched to Orange Amps, and I'll never forget. We're playing

1440
01:34:10,320 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 1: a crawfish festival in New Jersey, which sounds like a

1441
01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:18,840
Speaker 1: weird fever dream that doesn't make any sense. A Crawfish

1442
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 1: Festival in New Jersey. But I remember the guy came

1443
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 1: out and he just saw my Orange jamps up there

1444
01:34:25,800 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: and was like, what the fund is that we had

1445
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:31,479
Speaker 1: a we had a handshack agreement. I was like, don't

1446
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,120
Speaker 1: ever approach me like that on my way to the

1447
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:38,000
Speaker 1: stage again. I'll knock you on your ass because that

1448
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 1: is a meditative state when you're walking onto the stage.

1449
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:44,320
Speaker 1: For a little ship to come up to me and

1450
01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 1: start trying to get violent with me in that moment,

1451
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 1: that's you know, you know, not not good. So it

1452
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,519
Speaker 1: was at that time that I've been using Orange amps,

1453
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,200
Speaker 1: and then they wanted to make a custom amplifier and

1454
01:34:59,240 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: I said yes, and I was really honest with him

1455
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,840
Speaker 1: about what I didn't like, what I did like, and

1456
01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 1: MK Ultra is what was born from that. Okay, you

1457
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 1: know all these cm sound different. Why you know, a

1458
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:20,320
Speaker 1: marshal of Fender, etcetera. You know, Orange has a sound,

1459
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: and they're making a special one with you or you

1460
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 1: just not that particular. As long as it's got any

1461
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: EmpId speakers, You're cool that. There's a lot of truth

1462
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 1: in what you just said. Really, but I mean, I've

1463
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: always been of the sound mind that if you play

1464
01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 1: it right, it's gonna sound right. You know, orange amp

1465
01:35:40,280 --> 01:35:43,559
Speaker 1: looks cool, and I was like, just don't overthink it, boys.

1466
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:47,479
Speaker 1: You know, for my money, the best to amplifier that

1467
01:35:47,600 --> 01:35:52,160
Speaker 1: you can get is mid sixties black face Fender Amp.

1468
01:35:52,760 --> 01:35:56,160
Speaker 1: That's because it's simple, man, It's meat and potatoes. You

1469
01:35:56,200 --> 01:35:57,639
Speaker 1: open up the back of that thing and I can

1470
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:00,160
Speaker 1: figure out how to fix it. And if I know

1471
01:36:00,160 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 1: how to fix it, there's not a lot of thought

1472
01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,799
Speaker 1: put into it. It's just it's simple. They didn't overthink

1473
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,519
Speaker 1: the process. It just sounds great. Um. So I was like,

1474
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:11,200
Speaker 1: that's the approach we're gonna take. But I wanted to

1475
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:16,360
Speaker 1: have the power of a British amplifier. So we made

1476
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 1: kind of hybrid of sorts of my favorite simple builds.

1477
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: And it's just got volume base trouble. And I'd have

1478
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,600
Speaker 1: even less on it if if if I could just

1479
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 1: a volume now like an old Fender Champ. And what

1480
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:41,599
Speaker 1: about effects pedals? I love fuzz pedals man. And uh,

1481
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:46,360
Speaker 1: this old boy in in Maine Teddy with truth I pedals.

1482
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:51,080
Speaker 1: Um he I saw his pedals and I thought they

1483
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:54,479
Speaker 1: looked cool. They look like the old soapbox poss pedals.

1484
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:57,200
Speaker 1: You'll notice a pattern with me and something looks cool,

1485
01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try it and and wait for the results. So,

1486
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,320
Speaker 1: because I've never been a gear head, I like I

1487
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 1: like the aesthetic of some gear. He had, uh, these

1488
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 1: big orange soapbox fuzz pedals, so he sent me one

1489
01:37:12,800 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 1: and then I started talking about him in all these magazines.

1490
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:18,040
Speaker 1: And because I don't know anything about gear, I didn't

1491
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,920
Speaker 1: realize he was relatively new company, and I kind of

1492
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: blew him up to the to the gear scene and

1493
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: everybody started ordering. So now he sends me all of

1494
01:37:29,560 --> 01:37:32,120
Speaker 1: his new products. I didn't realize that I did that,

1495
01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: but I'm glad I did. Um. So I used the

1496
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:38,720
Speaker 1: fuzz pedals and I have like a like a Univibe

1497
01:37:38,760 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: style pedal, so you can get that Robin Trauer kind

1498
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: of Hendrix. Just I like space and I like fuzz um,

1499
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,960
Speaker 1: but not much beyond that. Really, I like the amplifier

1500
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 1: to really do the talking. And how did you end

1501
01:37:56,360 --> 01:38:00,800
Speaker 1: up with your own gibbs in e yes? So that

1502
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 1: was kind of a journey. Um Jim Lillard and Mike

1503
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:08,960
Speaker 1: Volts at the Gibson Memphis factory when it was still

1504
01:38:09,040 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: up and running and they had all the big green

1505
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:16,080
Speaker 1: machines from back in the day in Michigan. Kalamazoo Um.

1506
01:38:16,160 --> 01:38:19,720
Speaker 1: They took me on a tour there, and that's those

1507
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 1: are the first guys that gave me a guitar to

1508
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 1: use on the road because the way I was traveling,

1509
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:30,800
Speaker 1: I had my grandfather's guitar with me. The three I

1510
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,400
Speaker 1: remember being on the subway with that massive road case,

1511
01:38:33,439 --> 01:38:36,719
Speaker 1: and you know, being in New York City with that guitar.

1512
01:38:36,840 --> 01:38:38,880
Speaker 1: And this was my first time up there, so I

1513
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:44,000
Speaker 1: didn't have much confidence in in the and in human kinds,

1514
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: especially with that guitar. So I take that guitar into

1515
01:38:46,880 --> 01:38:49,479
Speaker 1: these little bathrooms with me, and you know, I just

1516
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 1: never left my side. So that was the first thing

1517
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:55,560
Speaker 1: I asked Gipson about, was something I attack on the

1518
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:58,880
Speaker 1: road that didn't have the sentimental value. And then after

1519
01:38:58,920 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 1: a couple of years, Uh Jim Lillard uh took my

1520
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:09,400
Speaker 1: original sixty two that belonged to my grandpa and he

1521
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:14,360
Speaker 1: just completely went through every nook and cranny on that guitar.

1522
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:16,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm convinced that he slept next to it now

1523
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 1: because he presented to me the first prototype and it's

1524
01:39:22,920 --> 01:39:25,960
Speaker 1: not very often that you're like, he did it in

1525
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:29,920
Speaker 1: one shot, that's it, you know, And there were some

1526
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:33,880
Speaker 1: little changes that had to be made, But the first

1527
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: prototype he gave me is the one I play every night.

1528
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:43,360
Speaker 1: You know, so Big Red lives again. And what about

1529
01:39:43,439 --> 01:39:47,640
Speaker 1: you know you're oftentimes scene with less Paul. I like

1530
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:52,920
Speaker 1: heavy guitars. I guess I'm just really I want to

1531
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: have bad problems when I get older, because that's what's

1532
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I like, I like to fill a chunk

1533
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,200
Speaker 1: of wood man like a tree limb as well. I

1534
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:04,680
Speaker 1: had to carry around on on stage because gifts and

1535
01:40:04,760 --> 01:40:08,920
Speaker 1: has been on this pilgrimage for for years to make

1536
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:12,320
Speaker 1: a light less Paul. And I'm like, why would you

1537
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:15,559
Speaker 1: do such a foolish thing. I want to feel the guitar,

1538
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 1: you know. It's like, uh, it's like when you're trying

1539
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:22,240
Speaker 1: to replicate the sound of a Leslie right, it's physically

1540
01:40:22,280 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 1: moving air. You're not gonna be able to replicate that

1541
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:28,599
Speaker 1: because it's moving air around the move around the room phial.

1542
01:40:30,360 --> 01:40:34,880
Speaker 1: So how many guitars do you have? Too many? As

1543
01:40:34,920 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: my wife to be says, But that's in the neighborhood

1544
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:41,639
Speaker 1: of about forty or fifty and what how many less

1545
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: palls do you have? And do you have any good ones?

1546
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:47,760
Speaker 1: Really old fifty nine or whatever. Man, I don't have

1547
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 1: a fifty nine. I'll tell you a funny story though. Um,

1548
01:40:52,080 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 1: I've got a sixty nine, which is the same wood

1549
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: and the same pickups. Basically, when they did all those

1550
01:40:57,240 --> 01:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Black Beauties in the late sixties, it was kind of

1551
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 1: leftover parts from all those uh bursts that are so

1552
01:41:04,479 --> 01:41:08,559
Speaker 1: sought after. Uh kind of a trick of the trade there.

1553
01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:12,200
Speaker 1: And I love that guitar. His name, her name is Gizmo.

1554
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:18,400
Speaker 1: So I was gonna buy nineteen fifty nine Gibson Last

1555
01:41:18,439 --> 01:41:24,320
Speaker 1: Paul um from Carter because they had what is actually

1556
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:30,600
Speaker 1: a pretty reasonable deal for that guitar um And I

1557
01:41:30,680 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 1: was thinking about it, thinking about it, and then I

1558
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:36,160
Speaker 1: get a message on my phone from one Dawn our back.

1559
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 1: It's just a photo of the guitar, and I was like, no, please, no.

1560
01:41:41,040 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: And then the next photo he was in his car,

1561
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 1: and then the next photo it was on the couch

1562
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:49,640
Speaker 1: in his studio. So I was like, all right, I

1563
01:41:49,640 --> 01:41:56,920
Speaker 1: guess I'm gonna buy my first house instead. And who's

1564
01:41:56,920 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 1: the best rock guitarist according to you, Oh, best rock

1565
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:07,479
Speaker 1: guitarist according to me, Man I go Clapton. I think

1566
01:42:07,520 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm pretty pretty Clapton all the way. Just he created

1567
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:21,479
Speaker 1: a sound, you know. But but then again, oh, that

1568
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,200
Speaker 1: comes from the amount of influence that they had on

1569
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:28,160
Speaker 1: all the players after them. You know. Jimi Hendrix is

1570
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 1: gonna be one that everyone looked too because he changed

1571
01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:35,360
Speaker 1: the whole game. But Clapton was kind of doing the

1572
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,840
Speaker 1: same thing as far as changing the game. I mean,

1573
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:43,640
Speaker 1: between those two guys, you'll find everything you need the

1574
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:48,400
Speaker 1: rock guitar, that's for sure. And you said you were

1575
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 1: like your mother, you were a reader. What do you read? So?

1576
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:54,160
Speaker 1: I like to listen to books when I'm out here

1577
01:42:54,160 --> 01:42:57,839
Speaker 1: on the road. Right now, I'm reading this book called Chaos.

1578
01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:02,120
Speaker 1: It's about um, It's about the Manson murders and m

1579
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,719
Speaker 1: k Ultra and how it's all kind of tied together.

1580
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:09,879
Speaker 1: Really interesting read to get up on my conspiracy theories.

1581
01:43:11,680 --> 01:43:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm a novice. I mean, you know, I'm not you know,

1582
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:17,000
Speaker 1: I'm not on Info Wars every day or anything like that.

1583
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,280
Speaker 1: I look at it kind of like Greek mythology. It's

1584
01:43:19,320 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 1: interesting to me. So, uh, I read that, and I'll

1585
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 1: read like, you know, the secrets of you know, uh wow,

1586
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:35,920
Speaker 1: like relationship values. You know, I listen to relationship podcasts

1587
01:43:36,040 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 1: or sometimes just something funny, something you know, lighthearted. Okay,

1588
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: you're from the South. You know, the South is, as

1589
01:43:48,280 --> 01:43:52,240
Speaker 1: we say, politically read. So where do you fit in

1590
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:55,000
Speaker 1: on the political spectrum and what do you think about

1591
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:58,559
Speaker 1: the future of our country? Man? I love this country

1592
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 1: so much. It's so beautiful. I just spent a couple

1593
01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:08,639
Speaker 1: of weeks in Italy and on the Tuscan countryside and

1594
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 1: it's so gorgeous. But then I came back home and

1595
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:13,920
Speaker 1: I went fishing with a good buddy of mine on

1596
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:16,280
Speaker 1: a lake by my house and the sun was setting

1597
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 1: and you know, that's the view that's five minutes down

1598
01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:25,479
Speaker 1: the road from my house. And just the views that

1599
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 1: I've seen, you know, the Roaring Waters in Montana, you

1600
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:32,240
Speaker 1: know the Redwoods in California. I mean, it's all just

1601
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:38,639
Speaker 1: so overwhelming and astounding to me. And you know, whichever

1602
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 1: way you lean, just take care of this beautiful country,

1603
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:44,800
Speaker 1: because it really is beautiful and I would take it

1604
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 1: over any other view in a heartbeat, you know, But

1605
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:52,439
Speaker 1: politically I ain't worried about all that mess. Man. I

1606
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 1: just I just like to play music for anybody that

1607
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:58,240
Speaker 1: will listen. And if you if you love your fellow

1608
01:44:58,240 --> 01:45:01,519
Speaker 1: man and you think peace is school and you can

1609
01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:05,799
Speaker 1: come behind the show. We just don't like violence. Okay,

1610
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:09,799
Speaker 1: we were talking earlier, like when you're remember you're bend

1611
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 1: went back to school, putting your head down because you

1612
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: knew we were gonna make it. Needless to say, you've

1613
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:23,080
Speaker 1: made headway. What's the dream now? Man? You know I

1614
01:45:23,160 --> 01:45:27,840
Speaker 1: came from a broken family, So my dream is I

1615
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: just want to have a great, big family, and I

1616
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:33,320
Speaker 1: just I'm really excited to be a husband and a

1617
01:45:33,439 --> 01:45:40,960
Speaker 1: dad and have some kids running around. But comfortability is

1618
01:45:41,000 --> 01:45:46,880
Speaker 1: really the primary goal for me, because you know, I've

1619
01:45:46,920 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 1: been working and working to get to two buses so

1620
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:52,599
Speaker 1: we're not all crammed into one. And before that, we

1621
01:45:52,600 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: were working and working to get onto a bus and

1622
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:58,160
Speaker 1: out of a van. So now the next step is

1623
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,240
Speaker 1: to have a bus just for me and my I'm like,

1624
01:46:01,439 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 1: and you know, in a plane or whatever. We just

1625
01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:09,439
Speaker 1: I don't want all this glitz and glamour or whatever.

1626
01:46:09,520 --> 01:46:12,200
Speaker 1: I just want comfortability to be able to do what

1627
01:46:12,280 --> 01:46:17,440
Speaker 1: I love and do it well without having to overthink logistics,

1628
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and being able to have

1629
01:46:20,439 --> 01:46:23,439
Speaker 1: the best crew because we have the money to pay

1630
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 1: for the best crew, and having the best security because

1631
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:28,800
Speaker 1: we have the finances to be able to do it.

1632
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 1: So it's not about making a lot of money, but

1633
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:35,759
Speaker 1: you need money to have the quality that you you know, deserve.

1634
01:46:36,600 --> 01:46:38,920
Speaker 1: And if I'm gonna have my family out here, I'm

1635
01:46:38,920 --> 01:46:41,920
Speaker 1: gonna have the best crew. So right now I do

1636
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:45,360
Speaker 1: have really good crew, but I just want to expand

1637
01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 1: on them. Okay, So what do you think of the

1638
01:46:47,920 --> 01:46:51,960
Speaker 1: musical landscape today? You said earlier you said, well, you know,

1639
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna get on the radio, and you know,

1640
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:58,240
Speaker 1: if you look at Spotify, it's mainly hip hop, some pop.

1641
01:46:58,800 --> 01:47:00,920
Speaker 1: There is the gym being in world, which is not

1642
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:04,200
Speaker 1: based on recordings. What do you think is going on

1643
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:06,680
Speaker 1: in the recording world and where you are in it?

1644
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:11,800
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I think, uh, I think there's some really

1645
01:47:11,800 --> 01:47:16,479
Speaker 1: great stuff, you know, and it's really Broadley that puts

1646
01:47:16,479 --> 01:47:21,840
Speaker 1: me on newer music a lot of the times, because um,

1647
01:47:21,880 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 1: I forced myself to listen to new music. I mean, um,

1648
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,360
Speaker 1: because I find a lot of things that I really

1649
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:32,000
Speaker 1: love and that I get inspiration from. I've been really

1650
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:37,920
Speaker 1: into Phoebe Bridgers recently and for me, like you listen

1651
01:47:38,000 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 1: to Phoebe bridgers first record, Stranger in the Alps. There's

1652
01:47:41,439 --> 01:47:44,280
Speaker 1: a lot on that record that just why is she

1653
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:48,040
Speaker 1: not Americana? Why is she not country? Because she says fuck?

1654
01:47:48,240 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 1: Is that why? I mean, where are these lines? And

1655
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: who creates these lines at the recording Academy or what?

1656
01:47:54,920 --> 01:47:58,519
Speaker 1: Because I'm like, Phoebe Bridgers is uh like pop folk.

1657
01:47:59,320 --> 01:48:01,840
Speaker 1: But you know there's tunes on that record that also

1658
01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,640
Speaker 1: sound you know, just the country as a man of

1659
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,240
Speaker 1: Shires and a man of Shires is in you know,

1660
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:11,799
Speaker 1: the Americana category with me and Phoebe Bridges on the

1661
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:17,680
Speaker 1: pop charts. So these just these lines are so fine. Uh.

1662
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 1: It's just you just gotta make your own sound and

1663
01:48:21,439 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: let people call you whatever the hell you want they

1664
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:25,320
Speaker 1: want to call you as long as you're being you.

1665
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:29,080
Speaker 1: But I've got a lot of hope for music because

1666
01:48:29,400 --> 01:48:32,240
Speaker 1: there's new voices that come out all the time, and

1667
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, people like Megan the Stallion and Doja Cat.

1668
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 1: It was a really unique voices in hip hop and

1669
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 1: really uh really big champions for you know, women's empowerment.

1670
01:48:45,240 --> 01:48:47,400
Speaker 1: So we've got a lot of hope for the music industry.

1671
01:48:47,800 --> 01:48:49,519
Speaker 1: I'm glad to be a part of it now. You

1672
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:53,479
Speaker 1: talked about growing up on your dad's records. When you

1673
01:48:53,640 --> 01:48:56,200
Speaker 1: have kids. What are the two albums you're gonna give them?

1674
01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:02,599
Speaker 1: Is it influence? Man? That's a great should. Uh let's

1675
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:11,400
Speaker 1: see uh Robin Trower's Bridgish Size. Wow. Yeah, that was

1676
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: my first record I bought with my own money when

1677
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:16,599
Speaker 1: I was eleven, So it's the first one I put

1678
01:49:16,600 --> 01:49:21,360
Speaker 1: on my turntable and I bought at the flea market

1679
01:49:22,040 --> 01:49:24,559
Speaker 1: because I like the cover. It looks cool. I didn't

1680
01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 1: know Robin Trout was really because you know, I was

1681
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:31,920
Speaker 1: big fan of twice Removed from Yesterday. When Procol Harum

1682
01:49:32,360 --> 01:49:34,720
Speaker 1: you know, went in his direction with Home and the

1683
01:49:34,800 --> 01:49:38,360
Speaker 1: album after that Broken Barricade, I was into those much

1684
01:49:38,360 --> 01:49:40,800
Speaker 1: more than the earlier sound. And you know then I

1685
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,560
Speaker 1: went into it, you know, even he went in seventies

1686
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:48,360
Speaker 1: six almost kind of uh disco in City Dreams. But

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01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 1: that's a great record, Yeah, that that one. And I'm

1688
01:49:54,360 --> 01:49:57,840
Speaker 1: gonna have to throw pet sounds their way really just

1689
01:49:57,880 --> 01:49:59,760
Speaker 1: so I can grow on them. Yeah, man, I mean,

1690
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:06,280
Speaker 1: that is the musical mind of Brian Wilson at work.

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01:50:06,640 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 1: It's just so overwhelming. I mean, every time you listen

1692
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,160
Speaker 1: to it, ors something new that pops out at you,

1693
01:50:13,160 --> 01:50:15,760
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, there's the hits on it wouldn't

1694
01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:19,360
Speaker 1: it be nice? But I think God only knows. It's

1695
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:23,320
Speaker 1: probably just about as perfect as a song could be.

1696
01:50:24,280 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 1: Or I mean, hell, I could go on for hours

1697
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:32,479
Speaker 1: about that record. Its just any emotion I'm feeling, it

1698
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 1: can amplify that emotion to where I needed to be.

1699
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:39,679
Speaker 1: If I'm feeling sad, cheer me up or vice versa.

1700
01:50:39,720 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's damn near perfect album. And

1701
01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:49,400
Speaker 1: why the cowboy hatted every gig? So when I was

1702
01:50:49,479 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 1: a kid, I said, people might not remember me, but

1703
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:58,679
Speaker 1: they will remember these pneumatic devices that I'm putting out there.

1704
01:50:59,360 --> 01:51:02,320
Speaker 1: I used to wear red shoes, a big cowboy hat,

1705
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:07,720
Speaker 1: I played big red guitar, and you know, to the

1706
01:51:08,000 --> 01:51:11,280
Speaker 1: two of those still remain, the big hat and the

1707
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,639
Speaker 1: big red guitar, and people can take those things home

1708
01:51:15,800 --> 01:51:20,840
Speaker 1: with him up here. Okay, Marcus, I've loved talking to you.

1709
01:51:20,840 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 1: You're very intelligent, very insightful, probably too smart for the game,

1710
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:29,920
Speaker 1: which is leading to whatever psychological issues you might have

1711
01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 1: wrestled with. But I want to thank you for taking

1712
01:51:32,360 --> 01:51:34,800
Speaker 1: the time to talk to me. Hey man, thank you

1713
01:51:34,880 --> 01:51:38,200
Speaker 1: so much. It's been a real tree. Until next time.

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Speaker 1: This is Bob left Sex six