WEBVTT - 5: Here We Go

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<v Speaker 1>What's up, Dave?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up Aaron?

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<v Speaker 3>No, Now I have a visual with my emails.

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<v Speaker 2>I am talking to Aaron Kin, the guy in the

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<v Speaker 2>center of the Sudden Impact point, in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the Boys to Men Motown, Philly video at the heart

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<v Speaker 2>of the thing I have been obsessed with for three decades.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy behind the point is now on my laptop

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<v Speaker 2>screen talking to me. I'm finally about to find out

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to sudden Impact. This is a significant life event,

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<v Speaker 2>but first I need some very basic information, like who

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<v Speaker 2>is everyone. I pull up a screenshot of the sudden

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<v Speaker 2>Impact point. I have the picture here.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is. That's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you talk me through who's who?

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<v Speaker 3>I was the guy in the middle with the bowtide

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<v Speaker 3>looking like a waiter.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I was the lead singer.

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<v Speaker 2>Had to set yourself apart.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm in the middle with the bow tie right,

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<v Speaker 3>so all the way all the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's my brother. That's my brother.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Noel, the guy who you really can't tell what

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<v Speaker 2>he looks like because his point obscures his entire face.

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<v Speaker 2>That is Noel Kane.

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<v Speaker 1>The next guy's Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>The shy guy, the one who's looking at and pointing

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<v Speaker 2>to the director a little bit off camera. That's Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>Just Dave. Listening back to this, I realized I should

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<v Speaker 2>have asked for a last name. And this is a

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<v Speaker 2>thing that will come back and bite me in the ass.

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<v Speaker 1>The next guy's Alan Heally, that's my man.

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<v Speaker 2>The guy who's pointing in kind of an Uncle Sam

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<v Speaker 2>wants you kind of way.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the next guy that's Todd that was writing

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<v Speaker 1>all the songs.

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<v Speaker 2>Todd White is on the right in what looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a modified Billy Ray Cyrus Mullet, very on trend for

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety one. Todd's the guy who had the idea

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<v Speaker 2>for Sudden Impact, and that's the guy who you met

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<v Speaker 2>when you were gonna fight exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>That's how the whole thing started. Two guys get ready

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<v Speaker 3>to go to blows.

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<v Speaker 2>The story of Sudden Impacts, as told to me by

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron Kane, is cinematic. It's got ups and downs. It

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<v Speaker 2>has set pieces and moments that would cut down into

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<v Speaker 2>a beautiful montage, and between two of the leads a

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<v Speaker 2>meet cute. On this episode, the story of Sudden Impact

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<v Speaker 2>from Aaron Kane, a guy who is right in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the action This is Waiting for Impact, a

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<v Speaker 2>Dave Holmes passion project. Where are you right now?

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<v Speaker 1>I am in my studio, in my house right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I got my just sitting in front of my studio Blackwood,

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<v Speaker 3>New Jersey, right over the bridge from Philadelphia, Philly.

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<v Speaker 2>A place by the way that Aaron visited for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time ever when he and the Boys their cameo

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<v Speaker 2>in the Motown Philly video. We'll get into how he

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<v Speaker 2>came to settle in Philadelphia a little bit later, but

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<v Speaker 2>first let's get into how this whole thing started and

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<v Speaker 2>the high school house party in Newport News, Virginia that

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<v Speaker 2>changed five guys lives forever. So take me back to

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<v Speaker 2>the start. What's your what's your musical background?

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<v Speaker 3>No musical background. My family doesn't really come from music.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad's dad, he was kind of in a band

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<v Speaker 3>and played fiddle and stuff like that, but he died

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<v Speaker 3>before I was even born.

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<v Speaker 1>So, but no musical background.

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<v Speaker 3>I was always, uh a sports guy, played baseball, basketball, football, like.

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<v Speaker 3>I was always into sports, and this music thing just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like fell into our.

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<v Speaker 1>Lat though it was the craziest thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Sudden Impact came together because of a perfect combination of fate,

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<v Speaker 2>and testosterone.

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<v Speaker 3>A guy named Todd White started group and he was

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<v Speaker 3>just like doing little demos around town this and that.

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<v Speaker 3>I started talking to one of his girlfriends and me

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<v Speaker 3>and him were about to fight. Actually that's how we met.

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<v Speaker 3>And he heard did I sang a little bit? I

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<v Speaker 3>sang with a couple of people around in high school

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff. And this one night we went to a

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<v Speaker 3>party and I saw him there and we were getting

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<v Speaker 3>ready to fight, and he comes up to me and

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<v Speaker 3>he's like, hey, man, I hear that you sing. And

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, yeah, I sing a little bit. And he's like, hey, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm starting this group. You know, wy don't you come

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<v Speaker 3>by the studio. Maybe we could work something out. So

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<v Speaker 3>we go to the studio. I just happened to go

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<v Speaker 3>by there one day and ended up getting on the

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<v Speaker 3>track singing some stuff. At that time, it was just

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<v Speaker 3>three of us at that time.

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<v Speaker 2>So instead of brawling and ruining a perfectly good house party,

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<v Speaker 2>Todd and Aaron decided to sing along with a guy

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<v Speaker 2>named Eric, who, as far as we know, was not

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<v Speaker 2>talking to either of their girlfriends.

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<v Speaker 3>We did like this little hometown demo. Just started kind

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<v Speaker 3>of working the demo round town.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>The demo really wasn't even that good, but you know,

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<v Speaker 3>we loved it and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it called?

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<v Speaker 1>It was called Please Be Mine?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it a ballad? Was it up tempo? What was it? Uh?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a ballad at first, and then we turned

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<v Speaker 3>it into We had this guy named Timmy Beale. He

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of like a producer around town. We had

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<v Speaker 3>this guy do a remix to it, and they this

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<v Speaker 3>is how the hook went. Please be mine, de my girl,

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<v Speaker 3>please be Mine.

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<v Speaker 1>That was it. That was like, that was That was

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<v Speaker 1>basically the whole song.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all you need.

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<v Speaker 1>That was it all?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? After thirty years, I have finally heard music from

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<v Speaker 2>Sudden Impact and I like it. Now this this is

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<v Speaker 2>all happening. In nineteen eighty nine, Aaron Kane is sixteen

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<v Speaker 2>years old. It's the summer between his sophomore and junior

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<v Speaker 2>years of high school. He's a star athlete with a

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<v Speaker 2>demo tape. Whether he was the inspiration for zac Efron's

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<v Speaker 2>character in High School Musical, I cannot say. But Eric

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<v Speaker 2>leaves the group. Three more guys join Aaron's brother, Noel,

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Healy and Dave, whose last name I really should

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<v Speaker 2>have asked for him. Todd White makes a connection with

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<v Speaker 2>a guy named Cecil Jenkins. Cecil puts the entertainment together

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<v Speaker 2>for local church festivals, so he books them for a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of those festivals, and the guys get to work

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<v Speaker 2>on their vocals, practice their stage show. The buzz is

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<v Speaker 2>starting to build, so they did what any ambitious young

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<v Speaker 2>boy band would do, a photo shoot. The pictures turned

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<v Speaker 2>out well, so they turned their favorite one shot of

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<v Speaker 2>all of them under the Chesapeake Bay Bridge into a poster.

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<v Speaker 2>This teen movie is off to a good start. It's

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<v Speaker 2>got a poster. It's got a near fistfight over a

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<v Speaker 2>girl that leads to a friendship and the formation of

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<v Speaker 2>a singing group. But to move the plot forward, we

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<v Speaker 2>need a road trip. Cecil Jenkins was a good friend

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<v Speaker 2>of Marvin Gay. Marvin Gay was about to get his

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<v Speaker 2>posthumous star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. Cecil wants

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<v Speaker 2>to go to the ceremony and he wants company.

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<v Speaker 3>Cecil Jenkins says, hey, guys, listen, Marvin Gay is getting

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<v Speaker 3>ready to get his star on Hollywood Boulevard. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>just want to tell you guys, if you know, if

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<v Speaker 3>you guys want to come out to La with me.

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<v Speaker 1>You're more than welcome come out. Well.

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<v Speaker 3>Two guys in the group, Todd White and Alan Heally,

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<v Speaker 3>their parents were the only ones that said yes, you

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<v Speaker 3>can go.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron seventeen by now, his little brother nol is fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and mister and Missus Kane are not about to let

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<v Speaker 2>kids that age just drive across the country. Neither is

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<v Speaker 2>Missus Dave's mom. But Todd and Allen drive out to

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<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles for Marvin Gay's Walk of Fame ceremony. An

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<v Speaker 2>article about that ceremony that ran in the next day's

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<v Speaker 2>LA Times points out neither of Marvin Gaye's parents showed up,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a shame and which also tells you that

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<v Speaker 2>there was an entertainment reporter for the LA Times who

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know that Marvin Gay's mother had died two years

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<v Speaker 2>earlier and that Marvin Gay's dad murdered him. So his

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<v Speaker 2>parents are not there, but four hundred other people are,

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<v Speaker 2>including one very important.

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<v Speaker 1>Person, Michael Bifvens.

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<v Speaker 3>Just happened to stop by that ceremony when two of

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<v Speaker 3>the guys from my group were there, and at the

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<v Speaker 3>time we had that crappy demo and we took a

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<v Speaker 3>picture underneath the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. We took a picture

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<v Speaker 3>and we made a poster, and that's all we had.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a poster. We had a crappy demo. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 3>they take the crappy demo.

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<v Speaker 1>They take the poster.

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<v Speaker 3>Out to La Thorn, Marvin Gays getting his star in

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<v Speaker 3>Hollywood Boulevard. Michael Bivens up stopping by to guys in

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<v Speaker 3>my group see Michael Bivens. They're like, oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 3>that's Michael Bivens from New Edition.

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<v Speaker 2>This is September nineteen ninety. We know that by the

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<v Speaker 2>next summer people would just be coming up to Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Bivens and singing in his face. Todd and Allen don't

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<v Speaker 2>have their whole group together to meet Michael Bivens, but

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<v Speaker 2>they do have a demo tape and a poster, so

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<v Speaker 2>they take bold action.

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<v Speaker 3>They run up on Mike, Hey, sign signed, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a poster. This is a poster of us. Can you

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<v Speaker 3>sign a poster? And Michael Bivens said, guys, get that

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<v Speaker 3>shit out of my face. Get that New Kids on

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<v Speaker 3>the Block poster out of my face.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's harsh, and.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like no.

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<v Speaker 3>They were like, no, no, no, no, this is us,

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<v Speaker 3>this is this is us.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was like, are you kidding me? He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's you, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>And at this time, Michael Bivens had just signed a

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<v Speaker 3>three artists production deal with Gerald Bugsby from Motown, and

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<v Speaker 3>he had ABC, another bad creation, and he had.

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<v Speaker 1>Boys men and he needed one more. Wouldn't you know.

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<v Speaker 3>The two guys, Todd and Allen hop in Michael Bibvens' bins.

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<v Speaker 1>They go to Motown that day.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Bibbins didn't even hear the demo, didn't even hear

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<v Speaker 3>the demo.

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<v Speaker 1>He just loved the poster so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, if this were to happen in a movie, this

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<v Speaker 2>would pull you out of the movie. One of the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest pop stars on the planet wants to sign an

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<v Speaker 2>act he's only met two fifths of whose songs and

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<v Speaker 2>voices he's heard zero of, just because he's seen the poster.

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<v Speaker 2>You'd be thinking, all right, somebody at Motown is going

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<v Speaker 2>to step in here. But there are a couple things

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<v Speaker 2>to consider. We've talked about the story of New Edition

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<v Speaker 2>and how they fired more Restar, the guy who had

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<v Speaker 2>discovered and produced them when he paid them a dollar

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<v Speaker 2>eighty seven for a world tour and a hit album.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about how Maurice Starr went on to form

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<v Speaker 2>New Kids on the Block pretty much completely out of spite.

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<v Speaker 2>We've talked about how New Kids on the Block were

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest pop act in the world in nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>What we don't know is how this all felt to

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Bivens. What we don't know is whether, as Maurice

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<v Speaker 2>Starr form New Kids to get back at New addition,

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Bivens might have wanted to sign Sudden Impact to

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<v Speaker 2>get back at Maurice's Star dollar signs and revenge at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, I would take it. We should also

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<v Speaker 2>consider that this is real life, and as the saying goes,

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<v Speaker 2>truth is fucking crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>We actually got signed to Motown off of a poster

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<v Speaker 1>without them even hearing any music.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're hearing about all this from across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Biffins called us during this time. Michael Bivens calls

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<v Speaker 3>us and the guy Todd and now and they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>Michael Bivens is on the line, and now you gotta

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<v Speaker 3>think this At the time where Michael Bibvens just BBD

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<v Speaker 3>just came out right, and that album was amazing, Like

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<v Speaker 3>that BBD new album had just come out. Michael Bivens

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<v Speaker 3>is talking to us, Hey, hey, doing this is Michael Bivens.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, we want to sign you guys here the

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<v Speaker 3>Motown And you got to think, I'm thinking to myself,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah right, We're talking to him on the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>We're like, yeah, right, this is this. I'm like, Todd,

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<v Speaker 1>who is this?

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<v Speaker 3>You got somebody acting like Michael Bivens And now it

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<v Speaker 3>was really am.

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<v Speaker 2>So what tell me what that feels like to you

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<v Speaker 2>getting this call and finding out that you're like, you've

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<v Speaker 2>ascended to Motown.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was craziness. Like, first of all, it took me

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<v Speaker 3>like a couple of days to actually realize that it

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<v Speaker 3>was true, you know what I mean, Like, who thinks

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<v Speaker 3>they they're getting a call from Michael Biffins to sign

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<v Speaker 3>you to Motown Records, and all we have is.

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<v Speaker 2>One It does sound like a prank, Yeah, and all

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<v Speaker 2>we have is.

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<v Speaker 3>One crappy demo. That's it, you know, you know, back then,

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<v Speaker 3>back then, that's the way it was. It was all

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<v Speaker 3>about artist development, you know's that's one thing in the

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<v Speaker 3>music world today That's why artists don't. You know, you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have artists that stick around for a long time

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<v Speaker 3>because the whole artist development thing has kind of been

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<v Speaker 3>pushed to the side.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>But back then, you know, you could get signed on

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<v Speaker 3>a whim, and you know they could develop you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the music industry was flush back in nineteen ninety.

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<v Speaker 2>After all, if you liked a particular artist and you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to hear a song or an album by them

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<v Speaker 2>on your schedule, you had to buy it in physical form.

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<v Speaker 2>If you wanted the album, you had to go to

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<v Speaker 2>a store and put down anywhere from ten to eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>dollars to get the cassette or the compact disc. Around

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<v Speaker 2>four million Americans did that with Bell Bivdevo's album Poison.

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<v Speaker 2>So Michael Bivens had clout, and that clout allowed him

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<v Speaker 2>to do something risky like sign an act to Motown

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<v Speaker 2>Records after only seeing their poster. It allowed the Boys

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<v Speaker 2>Set an impact to reach the big time just by

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<v Speaker 2>asking nicely. Back in the seventies and eighties, record labels

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<v Speaker 2>took their time with new artists. They let them develop

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<v Speaker 2>their sound and their look over the course of a

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<v Speaker 2>few years. A few albums. It took Bruce Springsteen a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years and a couple albums to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with Born. To run that development is generally the job

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<v Speaker 2>of a department within record labels called A and R

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<v Speaker 2>Artists and Repertoire an R people find new artists, work

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<v Speaker 2>with them to determine where they'll fit in the marketplace,

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<v Speaker 2>help them develop an identity. And Michael Bivins had a

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<v Speaker 2>good relationship with an A and R guy at another label.

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<v Speaker 3>And we signed with Motown, and then we started working

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<v Speaker 3>for a little bit. And then and Michael Bivens calls

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<v Speaker 3>this up one day and says, hey, listen, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to take you. I don't want you guys

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<v Speaker 1>to be with Motown.

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<v Speaker 3>I want you guys to go to Capitol Records. Now

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<v Speaker 3>still minds you, Dave. We don't have any song. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>we've been working on demos at the house. We have

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<v Speaker 3>a sixth member in our group that was the producer.

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<v Speaker 3>He produced everything. He's actually my best friend right now.

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<v Speaker 3>His name is Tim Bird.

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<v Speaker 2>I make two mental notes here. One find Tim Bird

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<v Speaker 2>and two just really breathe with the fact that there's

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<v Speaker 2>someone they call the sixth member of sudden.

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<v Speaker 3>Impact, and so we're like, all right, cool, we'll go

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<v Speaker 3>to Capitol because Michael Bivens had a good relationship with

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<v Speaker 3>the A and R guy over the area. His name

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<v Speaker 3>was Steph Johnson. So we end up signing this huge deal. Still,

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<v Speaker 3>minds you, Capitol hasn't heard any music. Still, We're going

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<v Speaker 3>through all these deals and everything, and nobody has heard

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<v Speaker 3>any music. They're going off of just Michael Bivens words.

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<v Speaker 2>They signed with Capitol Records. Capitol puts the boys up

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<v Speaker 2>in a beach house in Virginia to bond with each other,

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<v Speaker 2>rents them a studio nearby to write and record some songs.

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<v Speaker 2>What were the influences? What did you what did you

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<v Speaker 2>sound like?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean our influences.

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<v Speaker 3>People make fun of it, but New Kids on the

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<v Speaker 3>Block was a big influence for us. New Kids on

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<v Speaker 3>the Block was huge influence for us. Of course, New Edition,

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<v Speaker 3>you know back then it was New Edition bb D,

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<v Speaker 3>Bobby Brown, Keith Sweat, Teddy Riley guy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the we were trying.

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<v Speaker 3>We were trying to be like the more R and

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<v Speaker 3>B version of New Kids on the Block.

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<v Speaker 2>The Virginia music scene would blow up a few years

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<v Speaker 2>later with Timbaland and Missy Elliott and then Pharrell and

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<v Speaker 2>then Neptunes. But at the time, Sudden Impact were the

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<v Speaker 2>pioneers of the Virginia sound. I mean maybe they were.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I've never heard anything before. They developed

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<v Speaker 2>their sound, before they even made a sound. They got

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<v Speaker 2>their big break.

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<v Speaker 3>And then boom Motown Philly comes out, and that's what

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<v Speaker 3>really took us to that next level.

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<v Speaker 2>What was shooting the video? Like, did you know that

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<v Speaker 2>you would be a part of it long in advance?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it kind of last minute? What happened?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we knew.

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<v Speaker 3>That was actually the first time that when we were

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<v Speaker 3>in the video, that was the first time that I

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<v Speaker 3>had ever been to Philadelphia. We recorded the one part

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you're the I mean, the iconic

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<v Speaker 3>part is Viv sitting in the middle of us.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we do this yep, we like point to

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<v Speaker 1>the camera.

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<v Speaker 2>To the point Aaron is doing the Sudden Impact, point

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<v Speaker 2>to me over zoom and I have fully left my body.

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<v Speaker 2>The video come out, and the video blows up. Boys

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<v Speaker 2>the Men becomes stars, and so does Sudden Impact.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, the first time that Boys the Men was ever

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<v Speaker 3>on MTV, there was a show on MTV. You probably

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<v Speaker 3>remember Dave with Martha Quinn. Yep, Martha Quinn had a

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<v Speaker 3>show on there.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought. I think it was like called.

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<v Speaker 3>MTV Live or something like that, and that was the

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<v Speaker 3>first time Boys the Men was ever on MTV and

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<v Speaker 3>they had people calling in right, yeah and get and

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<v Speaker 3>guess what the first question was when somebody called in

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<v Speaker 3>during that interview. The first question I actually remember her name.

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<v Speaker 3>Her name was Lydia from Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 3>And the first question Boys of Men has just released

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<v Speaker 3>their new album, Motown Philly just came out. They're on

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<v Speaker 3>MTV for the first time, and the first question is

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<v Speaker 3>who those white guys in the video?

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<v Speaker 2>Listen. I am not opposed to tracking down Lydia from Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's good that Boys to Men goes on to

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<v Speaker 2>become the biggest selling R and B group of all time,

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<v Speaker 2>because it is absolutely criminal that the first question they

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<v Speaker 2>get on their first MTV appearance is about sudden impact.

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<v Speaker 2>But as Boys to Men is blowing up, sudden impacts

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<v Speaker 2>are being talked about on MTV with original VJ Martha Quinn,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're on a major label, Capital. The Beatles were

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<v Speaker 2>on Capitol, the Eagles the Beastie Boys, Juice Newton. They're

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<v Speaker 2>on a huge label in a peak here for the

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<v Speaker 2>recording industry, so they're being shown a taste of the

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<v Speaker 2>good life with Capital.

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<v Speaker 3>It was fantastic, Dave, Like, I mean, they put us

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<v Speaker 3>up in this huge house right on the beach, this

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<v Speaker 3>amazing studio in Virginia Beach. They were sending us to

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<v Speaker 3>Disney World, they were sending us to Universal Studio.

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<v Speaker 2>And how old are you at this time?

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<v Speaker 1>We're like nineteen twenty at this time, So what's that lifestyle? Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh man, you're talking about some kids right out of

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<v Speaker 3>high school that had a crappy demo. They got a

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<v Speaker 3>huge advancement. Like back then, Back then, the advancements, especially

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<v Speaker 3>with Capitol Records, we were getting like huge advancements.

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<v Speaker 2>And advance is an amount of money a record company

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<v Speaker 2>gives you when they put you under contract. It's to

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<v Speaker 2>keep you afloat while you're working on your thing. They

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<v Speaker 2>take it out of your earnings when you start making money.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you never do start making money, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>even have to pay it back. From today's perspective, it

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<v Speaker 2>is wild the corporations could do business this way at

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<v Speaker 2>this level. But in nineteen ninety one. That's how it worked.

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<v Speaker 2>Aaron and the rest of the Sudden Impact guys were

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<v Speaker 2>at the cusp of pop music stardom. But in order

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<v Speaker 2>to move forward into the great unknown, Aaron had to

0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:00.800
<v Speaker 2>close the door on the shore thing he knew.

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<v Speaker 3>I actually got a baseball scholarship coming out of high school,

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<v Speaker 3>and that was a hard decision for me to make.

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<v Speaker 1>It was go to college.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a scholarship to King's College in Tennessee. It

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<v Speaker 3>was a really hard decision because baseball was my life

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<v Speaker 3>ever since. I just had a talent for it from

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<v Speaker 3>time I was five years old all the way up

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<v Speaker 3>going out of high school. And I had to make

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<v Speaker 3>a decision when I graduated high school, do I go

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<v Speaker 3>to college play baseball, or do I pursue this music thing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm getting ready to sign the Capitol Records get a

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<v Speaker 3>huge advancement. My mom actually had a conversation with her dad,

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<v Speaker 3>my grandfather, and my grandfather, you know, because my parents

0:21:51.720 --> 0:21:56.159
<v Speaker 3>wanted me to go to college and everything. And my

0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:01.080
<v Speaker 3>grandfather said, listen, if you make him go to college

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<v Speaker 3>and he misses out on this music thing, he's probably,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, gonna have some resentment his whole life, you

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<v Speaker 3>know what I mean? So I said, listen in Boys

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<v Speaker 3>and Men's Video, I'm getting ready to get this huge advancement.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going with the music thing, you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 3>And I mean, what do you what would you do day?

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<v Speaker 3>You're a little kid.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a little kid now, yeah you're all.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on MTV, b et get ready to sign with

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<v Speaker 3>Capitol Records.

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<v Speaker 2>This is very understandable. How how big an advance are

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<v Speaker 2>we talking?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh? I mean, I don't really want to but it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was nice, but I wish you know, uh you

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<v Speaker 3>think that it's just gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep coming, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I definitely wish that I would have made some

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<v Speaker 3>different decisions back then.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I did some amazing stuff, but.

0:23:09.480 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wish I would have did a little something

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<v Speaker 3>different with my money back then.

0:23:14.359 --> 0:23:17.439
<v Speaker 2>You know, somehow you weren't at your wisest when you

0:23:17.480 --> 0:23:24.120
<v Speaker 2>were nineteen. How that happened? But I guess that's what happened.

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:28.040
<v Speaker 2>So an impact is getting paid, they're getting put up

0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 2>on the beach, they're getting trips to Disney World. But

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<v Speaker 2>and this is how I know we're talking about kids

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<v Speaker 2>right now. The thing that means the most is a

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<v Speaker 2>team jacket.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you a funny story, Dave. So at that

0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 3>time BBD went on tour, and they went on tour,

0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 3>and Michael Bivens gave everybody out BBD tour jackets with

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<v Speaker 3>your name on them, like they were really really cool jackets.

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<v Speaker 3>And so of course us being around Newport News, being

0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.480
<v Speaker 3>around Virginia, we would always wear our bb You know,

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 3>we're a motow Philly video. We got BBD tour jackets on.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like wherever we went, it was like we

0:24:15.840 --> 0:24:19.080
<v Speaker 3>were celebrities and we really hadn't.

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:20.919
<v Speaker 2>Done anything and what did that feel like?

0:24:21.800 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, it was amazing.

0:24:27.080 --> 0:24:29.480
<v Speaker 2>I believe him, and I know a little bit about

0:24:29.520 --> 0:24:32.439
<v Speaker 2>what he means. Having a normal life one day and

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 2>then finding yourself in the middle of the entertainment industry

0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:38.120
<v Speaker 2>the next is a thing I can relate to. It's

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:41.359
<v Speaker 2>exciting and it's disorienting, and you don't really want to

0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.399
<v Speaker 2>talk about how weird it is while it's happening. You

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.719
<v Speaker 2>don't want to seem like you're bragging to someone who

0:24:46.800 --> 0:24:48.800
<v Speaker 2>it hasn't happened for. You don't want to seem like

0:24:48.800 --> 0:24:51.120
<v Speaker 2>you just fell off the turnip truck for someone who

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>has already happened to But it's big. You have to

0:24:54.359 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>talk about this stuff. Yeah, okay, all right, Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>this guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god. Uh, this is the most nervous I

0:25:17.680 --> 0:25:18.520
<v Speaker 4>think I've ever been.

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:21.679
<v Speaker 2>This is Damien Fahe. He was a VJ on MTV.

0:25:22.000 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Just after I left. He and I were in my

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 2>backyard doing something we never do, which is watching old

0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:30.400
<v Speaker 2>clips of ourselves. I found one of him on TRL

0:25:30.480 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 2>that someone posted. The YouTube reads like this.

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:36.720
<v Speaker 4>She's sold almost two hundred million albums, had twenty five

0:25:36.840 --> 0:25:40.240
<v Speaker 4>top ten singles, won three Grammys, and a bunch of VMAs.

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:41.919
<v Speaker 2>Ladiesship, and she put the M and MTV.

0:25:42.080 --> 0:25:46.840
<v Speaker 4>This is Madonna. This is two thousand and two, two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 1>See.

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<v Speaker 4>I keep my hand because my hand was shaking, so

0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 4>I figured if I put it in under my arm,

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 4>it won't shake. Because I was so nervous.

0:25:54.400 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 2>Damien is interviewing Madonna on live television, a thing even

0:25:58.119 --> 0:26:01.120
<v Speaker 2>seasoned professionals get nervous for. And Damien's just a few

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:03.920
<v Speaker 2>months into the job and he has just been told

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:05.360
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't want to talk to him.

0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:11.080
<v Speaker 4>She wanted Carson refused to do the interview if it

0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 4>wasn't Carson.

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:14.880
<v Speaker 2>Carson Daily was the host of TRL from its premiere

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:17.760
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety eight. Damien was brought on to be

0:26:17.800 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 2>phased in as his replacement as Carson transitioned into his

0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.159
<v Speaker 2>post MTV life of hosting everything on television.

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 4>They talked her into They said, we don't have Carson,

0:26:28.920 --> 0:26:31.280
<v Speaker 4>but we can do She said, well, I want John

0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:33.320
<v Speaker 4>Norris if I can't get Carson. John Norris was like

0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.360
<v Speaker 4>her second, because I guess he's been with And they said,

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 4>we don't have John Norris, we have Damien hosting the

0:26:39.320 --> 0:26:42.159
<v Speaker 4>show now. And it was sort of like, who the

0:26:42.200 --> 0:26:44.200
<v Speaker 4>fuck is that. I have no idea who that is.

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:47.280
<v Speaker 4>And so they told me this story. This is always

0:26:47.320 --> 0:26:50.000
<v Speaker 4>good to know, you know before that your third tier,

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:51.520
<v Speaker 4>you know, before an interview.

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:56.040
<v Speaker 2>It's strange watching these old videos, the haircuts, the clothes,

0:26:56.720 --> 0:26:59.119
<v Speaker 2>it's like finding a video of yourself from high school,

0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:02.720
<v Speaker 2>except hours aired on television. I want to see if

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 2>we can put ourselves back into the mindset of those

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>guys twenty years ago. Mostly we can't remember what happened

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:13.399
<v Speaker 2>at all. Whenever old things come up, like every now

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:17.359
<v Speaker 2>and then, somebody will digitize something with me in it

0:27:17.400 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>and put it up on YouTube, and I'll watch it

0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:23.880
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, oh, that's nice. Good for that guy,

0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Good for that guy. Who is me? Like who that's

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:30.000
<v Speaker 2>my face and my body and my voice. But I

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 2>don't have a single recollection, yeah, of any of it.

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.679
<v Speaker 2>For me. I always say it was like it was

0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>like getting a head injury, you know, like if you've

0:27:39.480 --> 0:27:41.240
<v Speaker 2>just if you've ever been in a very bad car

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 2>accident in.

0:27:42.520 --> 0:27:45.000
<v Speaker 4>Shot, it is like watching a different I'm like, oh,

0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:46.560
<v Speaker 4>that's cool, look at that what that guy did.

0:27:46.560 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 1>Good for him.

0:27:47.200 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 4>That wasn't me. You know. It's like I just feel

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:51.480
<v Speaker 4>like a totally different kind of person like me.

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 2>Damien got plucked out of his normal life and dropped

0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:57.320
<v Speaker 2>right into the center of MTV, hosting TRL at the

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.679
<v Speaker 2>height of its popularity. He had been working at a

0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 2>top forty radio station in Boston while going to college.

0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:06.920
<v Speaker 2>An MTV casting director came to town on a nationwide search

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 2>to find a new rock vjay, and a co worker

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 2>encouraged him to try out. He didn't want to do it.

0:28:12.480 --> 0:28:14.359
<v Speaker 2>He had tried out for a local TV show a

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>few months before and just eaten it at the audition.

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 2>He was humiliated. He didn't want to be embarrassed again,

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:22.679
<v Speaker 2>but just to get his coworker off his back, he

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 2>showed up.

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:26.359
<v Speaker 4>And so then I go to the radio station waiting

0:28:26.359 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 4>in the lobby with like three other DJs. One guy

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.680
<v Speaker 4>goes downstairs, you know, fifteen minutes past as he comes

0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 4>back up, okay, Damien fahee, you know, and I go

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 4>downstairs and I go in the basement. And it was

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 4>so weird because it was it was like it was

0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:47.880
<v Speaker 4>the last thing that I wanted to do. And then

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 4>the second I got like the first laugh from the

0:28:52.040 --> 0:28:56.880
<v Speaker 4>casting people, I was like, this is all I want

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 4>to do. Oh my god, I love this.

0:28:58.880 --> 0:29:01.479
<v Speaker 2>When you get a taste to that, you start really

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:02.120
<v Speaker 2>wanting it.

0:29:02.320 --> 0:29:05.520
<v Speaker 4>I said, when when will I know you know about this?

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 4>And they said, well, it's going to take a while.

0:29:08.640 --> 0:29:10.720
<v Speaker 4>We got to you know, take the tapes back to

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 4>New York and have our bosses look at it and everything.

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 4>And I said, okay, well I'll be in touch. I'll

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:18.000
<v Speaker 4>be in touch because this is this is really fun, right,

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:21.360
<v Speaker 4>And so like I just like you know, got in

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 4>my car and drove home, and you know, I remember

0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:25.320
<v Speaker 4>seeing like a license plate of the car stopped in

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 4>front of me. The first car stopped in front of me.

0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 4>I just stopped signing. It was like two forty eight

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 4>VJ five whatever, Like that's a sign I'm getting this

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:34.680
<v Speaker 4>fucking job. Holy shit.

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Damien got a call back in New York. He met

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:39.680
<v Speaker 2>a friend there the night before. They had some drinks,

0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.040
<v Speaker 2>so he showed up a little hungover. And here's the

0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>thing about that. I can't recommend it in good conscience,

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 2>but it kind of works. If you have a headache

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>and a sore stomach to focus on, that is less

0:29:50.080 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 2>energy to give to your nerves. He went back home

0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:55.760
<v Speaker 2>to Boston, and then he got a phone call another callback.

0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.040
<v Speaker 4>They're like, this is the last callback, the final round.

0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 4>It's between you and this other guy. And I'm like,

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 4>oh my god, don't tell me that.

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:04.320
<v Speaker 2>And so do you know who the other guy was?

0:30:04.680 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 4>De Snyder's son, Oh, Jesse Snyder.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 2>This is rock Royalty we're talking about here, the son

0:30:10.240 --> 0:30:13.360
<v Speaker 2>of d Snyder, lead singer of heavy metal band Twisted Sister,

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 2>the guy who testified before Congress against explicit lyrics record labels.

0:30:18.480 --> 0:30:21.120
<v Speaker 2>This is very serious and Damien is going to have

0:30:21.160 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 2>to step up his game.

0:30:22.560 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 4>I went home for the weekend from from from from school,

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:28.840
<v Speaker 4>and I said, I'm gonna have my dad take me out,

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:34.040
<v Speaker 4>buy me clothes for this cool clothes and sos like,

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.280
<v Speaker 4>of course, you know, go out. It's been two hundred

0:30:36.280 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 4>dollars in structure.

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Of course.

0:30:39.360 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 4>I had like very big jeans, leather, square toed dress shoes,

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:48.240
<v Speaker 4>like a very pattern. It was like an aqua in

0:30:48.520 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 4>maroon like FLOORI de lee kind of like pattern saying

0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 4>going on with the button down and then on top

0:30:55.600 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 4>of that like a like a like a red a

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:09.120
<v Speaker 4>deep like burgundy red leather jacket from like like like

0:31:09.160 --> 0:31:12.320
<v Speaker 4>a Chicago Coppu where like in the nineteen seventy and

0:31:12.440 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 4>so so that was like mine, I'm gonna wow, I'm

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 4>going to New York. Baby.

0:31:17.040 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>I can see this outfit very clearly, and I don't

0:31:19.760 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 2>like it. But Damien takes a train down from Boston

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>for the callback. He's nervous. He's not hungover this time,

0:31:25.680 --> 0:31:28.120
<v Speaker 2>so he has that much more energy to devote to

0:31:28.160 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>being nervous.

0:31:29.040 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 4>I remember waking up that morning. I was, you know,

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:36.479
<v Speaker 4>super nervous. I couldn't eat anything. My Mom's like, your

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 4>stomach is upset. Here take these large vitamins.

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to tell you that Damien vomited on

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:46.520
<v Speaker 2>that train. Kids don't take large vitamins from your mother's

0:31:46.560 --> 0:31:49.720
<v Speaker 2>purse on an empty stomach before a big audition. But

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 2>still Damien knows he looks good.

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 4>I remember getting walking into MTV with that outfit on,

0:31:56.840 --> 0:32:01.520
<v Speaker 4>and Vinnie comes out, casting director, and he goes, hey,

0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 4>good to see you. You know, we're all ready for you,

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.920
<v Speaker 4>and he he. I go, well, I'm ready, let's do this,

0:32:07.200 --> 0:32:08.600
<v Speaker 4>and he looks me up and down and he goes,

0:32:09.440 --> 0:32:12.280
<v Speaker 4>let's get you into some new clothes. And I'm like,

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:15.080
<v Speaker 4>but I spent two hundred dollars in structure.

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 2>You know. A week later, Damien gets a call from

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>the head of casting. They're giving him a contract to

0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 2>be a VJ, starting right away at the MTV beach house.

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.040
<v Speaker 2>Where are you feeling it? Everywhere?

0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Everywhere?

0:32:28.560 --> 0:32:32.959
<v Speaker 4>Like yeah, yeah, Remember where I was, Remember what was on,

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.440
<v Speaker 4>you know, television, Remember like the smell of the air

0:32:36.720 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 4>this way the air smelled. I remember my fucking giant

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.320
<v Speaker 4>Nokia cell phone. I don't waiting by the fucking phone

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 4>at the kitchen table, and then it rang, and then

0:32:45.880 --> 0:32:47.360
<v Speaker 4>I would wanted to like I didn't want to pick

0:32:47.360 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 4>it up, all like, you know, hello, you know, I

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 4>wanted to let it ring three times, don't sound too

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 4>you know, And then I picked it up and like they.

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Would resend the job off for if you answer the

0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:00.320
<v Speaker 2>phone to you're too excited for this. Yeah, it's we're

0:33:00.360 --> 0:33:02.560
<v Speaker 2>looking for it right at let's get Jesse Snyder. The

0:33:02.680 --> 0:33:06.000
<v Speaker 2>job of an MTV VJ is a dream job for

0:33:06.080 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>a person of a certain age, but for a person

0:33:08.440 --> 0:33:11.400
<v Speaker 2>of a certain kind, people like me and Damien. It's

0:33:11.520 --> 0:33:13.360
<v Speaker 2>an emotional challenge.

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:16.760
<v Speaker 4>Someone who experienced a lot of like loneliness and feeling

0:33:16.760 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 4>invisible for a lot of years in throughout you know,

0:33:20.800 --> 0:33:25.840
<v Speaker 4>your teens. To hear, you know, see a giant audience,

0:33:26.000 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 4>it's really scary and you just imagine that they're gonna

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:31.560
<v Speaker 4>boo you or they're not gonna care. And so it

0:33:31.600 --> 0:33:33.000
<v Speaker 4>was all that was in my head. So I wanted

0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:35.440
<v Speaker 4>to be like really cool. I wanted to say the

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.320
<v Speaker 4>cool bands? What bands are you gonna do? I don't know,

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 4>what do people like? What is going to make people

0:33:40.880 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 4>think I'm cool?

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 2>Yea?

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 4>And it was just like all that and that, I

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 4>mean that lasted for years.

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:51.000
<v Speaker 2>When you were standing like on the edge of this thing.

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.280
<v Speaker 2>When you were just starting this job, you knew it

0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>was going to bring you some sort of like fame. Yeah,

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>what did that look like? What specifically like in my head,

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 2>what did it look like? I think I kind of

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 2>went in.

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:08.799
<v Speaker 4>I hosted a few shows, and they sort of were like,

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 4>you need to just do what Carson does, like you

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.279
<v Speaker 4>need to be just like Carson. And so in my head,

0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, oh, I'm never going to be as big

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:18.960
<v Speaker 4>as Carson. I can't do what he does. So I'm

0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.080
<v Speaker 4>just going to be like this mid tier like VJ.

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:24.800
<v Speaker 4>And so I think in my head I never really

0:34:24.840 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 4>had like these huge like oh my god, I'm gonna

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:31.399
<v Speaker 4>be so fucking famous, I'm going to be I never

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:34.400
<v Speaker 4>had that. It was it was like, I don't know,

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:38.319
<v Speaker 4>for some reason, I just never stepped into like this

0:34:38.400 --> 0:34:39.480
<v Speaker 4>is what my life's going to be.

0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:42.240
<v Speaker 2>A very strange thing happens when you start to achieve

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:45.439
<v Speaker 2>a conventional and public kind of success, you just start

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 2>wanting more conventional and public success. But the problem is

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.880
<v Speaker 2>who decides what that success should look like. Some of

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 2>you used the MTV job as as stepping stone to

0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 2>untold wealth, right and then have just vanished. And I like,

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 2>for me, I just vanity wise. I don't want some

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:14.880
<v Speaker 2>stranger somewhere to be like, oh, that guy got the

0:35:14.960 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 2>job and then nothing happened after, Like I don't know,

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know who this person is who would react

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.239
<v Speaker 2>that way. I'll probably never see that person. But that

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>stranger somewhere has so much control over me because I

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 2>like just the idea that I'm not doing enough for

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.359
<v Speaker 2>him and I don't know him, and I know what's

0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:38.320
<v Speaker 2>enough for him, but like, uh and and I didn't

0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:42.120
<v Speaker 2>go in wanting to please that guy. My choices on

0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:45.640
<v Speaker 2>some level have been guided by a ghost, a fictional character,

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 2>some guy in some bar somewhere, some dick on Twitter,

0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.040
<v Speaker 2>someone I don't know who thinks I'm a loser. I

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.799
<v Speaker 2>went in just wanting to be close to where things

0:35:54.800 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 2>were happening, to use my skills, and to like, you know, yeah,

0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 2>have a better professional life than I had before that

0:36:08.400 --> 0:36:11.479
<v Speaker 2>used all of the dumb shit about myself that I

0:36:11.760 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 2>was taught to. Yeah, it was frivolous. That's all I wanted.

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:19.160
<v Speaker 2>And then immediately this vanity comes in where it's like, well,

0:36:19.160 --> 0:36:23.560
<v Speaker 2>I have to keep doing bigger and better things that

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:28.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't want. We're complicated people, us former mtvvjs, guided

0:36:28.400 --> 0:36:32.760
<v Speaker 2>on some level by voices, by someone else's idea of success.

0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 2>When I managed to shake that voice off and think

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 2>about my life rationally, I know I'm doing what I

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.040
<v Speaker 2>want to be doing. Damien is an executive producer on

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:44.319
<v Speaker 2>Family Guy, so he knows he's doing what he wants

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 2>to be doing. Plus he has a really nice house,

0:36:46.520 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 2>and I kind of want that too. But that's beside

0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:51.400
<v Speaker 2>the point. We're both happy with our lives and our jobs.

0:36:51.480 --> 0:36:55.840
<v Speaker 2>But the real work sometimes still is to bust those ghosts.

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.920
<v Speaker 2>If Aaron Kane of Sudden Impact is troubled by ghosts,

0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 2>if he's worried that some fictional asshole somewhere is having

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.600
<v Speaker 2>a laugh at his expense for appearing in a big

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 2>music video and then never releasing an album, it doesn't

0:37:09.800 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 2>come through at all. He's excited when he talks about

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.520
<v Speaker 2>this stuff. In his voice. You can still hear that

0:37:15.640 --> 0:37:17.440
<v Speaker 2>kid who nearly got punched in the face at a

0:37:17.480 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>high school party and got pulled into the music business instead.

0:37:20.840 --> 0:37:24.399
<v Speaker 2>He's enthusiastic. It's like he still can't believe his love

0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 2>just to recap the scores here. Such an impact is

0:37:27.760 --> 0:37:30.759
<v Speaker 2>on their second major label record deal. They're making an

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 2>undisclosed but nice amount of money. They're featured in one

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>of the biggest videos of nineteen ninety one. They've released

0:37:37.080 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 2>zero songs and everybody's talking about them, but this movie

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 2>is still just getting going.

0:37:42.480 --> 0:37:46.640
<v Speaker 3>But once we did that video, it kind of took

0:37:46.760 --> 0:37:50.719
<v Speaker 3>us to another level. There was anticipation, you know what

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean, Like yeah, like everybody was like waiting on

0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:57.239
<v Speaker 3>this white group to like, you know, oh, there's this

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:00.560
<v Speaker 3>white group that's down with Boys the Men and with

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 3>Michael Bivens from New Edition, Like what's going on with these.

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 2>Guys and what was going on? How far along was

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:09.400
<v Speaker 2>the album?

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 3>We did four songs under Capitol Records and they were cool.

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 3>The two of the songs were really really cool out

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:25.280
<v Speaker 3>of the four, again produced by my boy Tim Bird.

0:38:25.840 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 3>So from there, Michael Bivens gets another situation. You know,

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:34.560
<v Speaker 3>he's got Boys Men, he's got ABC off of Motown

0:38:34.840 --> 0:38:37.240
<v Speaker 3>that really did big things.

0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Boiso Men's doing huge things.

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:46.319
<v Speaker 3>So Motown says, Hey, Mike, I want to give you

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.480
<v Speaker 3>your own label called do you know the name of

0:38:50.600 --> 0:38:51.240
<v Speaker 3>Michael Bivens?

0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Label of ten Exactly ten.

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<v Speaker 2>The antar person at Capitol whom Michael Bivens liked, the

0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.799
<v Speaker 2>person he trusted to develop sudden impact and make them

0:38:59.840 --> 0:39:02.520
<v Speaker 2>as as big as new Kids on the block left Capital,

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.520
<v Speaker 2>and Michael wanted the guys to move to his label

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:09.080
<v Speaker 2>BIF ten. The problem was the guys were comfy a Capital.

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:13.040
<v Speaker 3>So when BIV called us up right, BIV called us

0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:14.839
<v Speaker 3>up and said that I want to take you off

0:39:14.880 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 3>of Capital.

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Now and put you on fIF ten.

0:39:19.160 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 3>We really weren't feeling that because we were living the

0:39:23.680 --> 0:39:27.359
<v Speaker 3>life of Capital World. We got a nice house on

0:39:27.440 --> 0:39:32.680
<v Speaker 3>the beach, We're going to Disney World. You know, we're

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:38.319
<v Speaker 3>getting money. And that didn't sit well with Mike when

0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 3>we said that, And he kind of got offended a

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.640
<v Speaker 3>little bit when we said that, because he felt like

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 3>he's made everything happen for us. Anyway, he's getting his

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 3>own label. We should be honored to be on BIV ten.

0:39:53.960 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 3>And you know, maybe that was a mistake on our part.

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, we don't know.

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:01.560
<v Speaker 3>It Again comes back to being little kids again, you

0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:03.439
<v Speaker 3>know what I mean. And you're a little kid living

0:40:03.480 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 3>on the beach, you're happy, you know.

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Did you have a manager no okay. With a feeling

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>of loyalty to Michael Bivens and no one else to

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.560
<v Speaker 2>guide them, the guys made the decision to dance with

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 2>the guy who brought him.

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 3>So, like a couple months past or whatever, we end

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 3>up not being with Capital anymore. Got to get rid

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:28.400
<v Speaker 3>of the house, stop recording at the big studio.

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:32.080
<v Speaker 2>Did you lose the rights to the songs he had

0:40:32.120 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 2>already recorded?

0:40:33.880 --> 0:40:41.760
<v Speaker 3>Yep, okay, yep, Capital, that's Capital's songs now. But anyway,

0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 3>so we go back to Newport News and then that's

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 3>once BIV ten things started happening. That's when the whole

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:54.040
<v Speaker 3>East Coast Family thing started happening, and that was great.

0:40:54.680 --> 0:40:58.240
<v Speaker 3>Biv said that we're gonna do a song. He started

0:40:58.239 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 3>getting all these groups together. I want to do this

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:05.360
<v Speaker 3>song with all these groups. And that's where Hayden and Ivett,

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Kyle Lee and ten ten and all these other groups

0:41:12.800 --> 0:41:14.200
<v Speaker 3>start coming into the picture.

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:16.919
<v Speaker 2>Aaron and the guys, who are now on their third

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:20.840
<v Speaker 2>label and at least their second name White Guys WHYTG

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.760
<v Speaker 2>I Z E take part in the East Coast Family

0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 2>one for All for one music video. They're wearing sport

0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.800
<v Speaker 2>coats on a hot Houston day.

0:41:30.160 --> 0:41:35.799
<v Speaker 3>And then we did the video in Houston, Texas, and man,

0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:38.760
<v Speaker 3>let me tell you something. That day we did that video,

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:43.920
<v Speaker 3>we did it in like this warehouse and Dave, it

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:47.959
<v Speaker 3>was like one hundred and ten degrees at like seven

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:48.880
<v Speaker 3>o'clock in the morning.

0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 2>It was like, it was crazy, and you guys are

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:54.760
<v Speaker 2>wearing layers.

0:41:54.760 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh did you see us in the video?

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 3>We got yeah backets on. Yeah, yeah, we got jackets.

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:06.000
<v Speaker 3>You can't tell on the video, but we were just soaked.

0:42:06.360 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 3>So we did that. We did the East Coast Family

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:14.160
<v Speaker 3>Song and that actually went to number one on the

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 3>R and B charts.

0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you know that. Yeah, that song

0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:21.840
<v Speaker 1>actually went to number one on the R and B charts.

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Huge song.

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:27.720
<v Speaker 3>That was fantastic for me because I sang the leads

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 3>of the park and the song and it was funny.

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.200
<v Speaker 3>My mom picks me up from the airport. I'm coming

0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:38.240
<v Speaker 3>back from Houston. My mom picks me up from the airport.

0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:41.120
<v Speaker 3>As soon as I get into the car, the song

0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 3>comes on the radio and I was like, oh, this

0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:48.720
<v Speaker 3>is me on the radio.

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh thing you do you know?

0:42:53.880 --> 0:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I'm finally on the radio.

0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:10.239
<v Speaker 5>Finally And this is how long after you after you

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:12.719
<v Speaker 5>moved into the Capitol House, Like, what has this been

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:13.279
<v Speaker 5>two years?

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Now?

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:17.719
<v Speaker 1>This was? Yeah, this was probably about two years. Yeah,

0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:18.160
<v Speaker 1>you're right.

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:20.319
<v Speaker 2>It's a couple of years into their brush with the

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.279
<v Speaker 2>big time and the guys have finally released something. It's

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 2>a couple quick lines on a posse track, but it's something.

0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:29.040
<v Speaker 2>And if you've seen the one four All four one video,

0:43:29.120 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 2>the one where we found vt Nicole Brown's secret life

0:43:31.800 --> 0:43:35.239
<v Speaker 2>as a singer, the one where we met Hayden, you

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 2>know there are more than a few artists on the

0:43:37.960 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>BIV ten label. There are many, and they're all waiting

0:43:41.680 --> 0:43:45.040
<v Speaker 2>for their shot and waiting, and Michael isn't finished signing

0:43:45.160 --> 0:43:47.440
<v Speaker 2>artists yet. He brings on a girl group who you

0:43:47.560 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>might remember from around the turn of the millennium.

0:43:49.920 --> 0:43:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you remember seven oh.

0:43:52.640 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Two where my Girl's at et cetera exactly.

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:03.520
<v Speaker 3>So anyway, he picks up two and everybody on BIF

0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:07.799
<v Speaker 3>ten is pissed off, like like, are you kidding me?

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.040
<v Speaker 3>You've just picked up this other group and another group

0:44:11.080 --> 0:44:15.120
<v Speaker 3>he had called Subway put them out, and we're all like,

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:16.719
<v Speaker 3>what the heck is going on?

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:17.280
<v Speaker 1>Dude?

0:44:17.440 --> 0:44:20.839
<v Speaker 3>Like we're supposed to be next, and you're picking up

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:24.800
<v Speaker 3>new groups, like what's going on? We're supposed to be next.

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 3>So slowly but surely, everybody off of bif ten started

0:44:32.000 --> 0:44:37.680
<v Speaker 3>getting dropped off, getting dropped off. This person got dropped off,

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 3>this person got dropped off, and everybody's like, wow, what

0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:45.440
<v Speaker 3>is going on here? Like we just did all this

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:50.640
<v Speaker 3>amazing stuff, and all these artists don't have a record

0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 3>deal anymore. It was because the whole uh, New Edition

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 3>went back on tour and Michael and still had BBD.

0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:04.200
<v Speaker 1>They were still like he just didn't have time for that,

0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 3>And it's a shame because he really could have made

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.200
<v Speaker 3>all that happen, but he just.

0:45:13.719 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>He would have.

0:45:14.280 --> 0:45:18.399
<v Speaker 3>Had to say stop to BBD and stop to New

0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Edition for all of that to like really happen. And

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 3>it just just sucks for all of us because we thought,

0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, oh, we're gonna come out, We're gonna be

0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:34.360
<v Speaker 3>like boys men, and next to you know, nobody has.

0:45:34.239 --> 0:45:34.919
<v Speaker 1>A record deal.

0:45:36.080 --> 0:45:41.840
<v Speaker 3>So now here we are in Newport News sitting there

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:44.399
<v Speaker 3>and don't have no deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Another complication for sudden impact. But this movie is still

0:45:48.920 --> 0:45:52.320
<v Speaker 2>in its first act. We'll have more with Aaron Kine

0:45:52.520 --> 0:45:55.160
<v Speaker 2>and talk with the guy many people call the sixth

0:45:55.200 --> 0:45:58.920
<v Speaker 2>member of Sudden Impact, producer Tim Bird. They'll tell us

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:00.759
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the story and we'll see if we

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:03.960
<v Speaker 2>can get even deeper into the inner circle of Sudden Impact.

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<v Speaker 2>Next time on Waiting for Impact, a Dave Holmes passion project.

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