1 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: They bite because they're hungry, and testicles sit nicely in 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: their mouth. Seriously, these guys couldn't have stripped any hotter 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: if that'd been killed on the day. Move on to 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: the next plug, and can you start map? You know 5 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna take you a few years. It's not freaking 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: internet overnight ship. I'm sure I missed a couple of 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: fish die off catastrophes, and if I missed one of 8 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: the ones in your area, let us know where you're 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: not catching fish anymore. Good morning, degenerate anglers, and welcome 10 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 1: to Bend to the fishing podcast that you insist wasn't 11 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: as big as you thought it was the second it 12 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: snaps your line because you were high sticking. I'm Joe 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: Surmelli A Miles Nulty, and I appreciate that intro very much. 14 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: Thank you, because if there's one constant in the angling 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: community among us anglers, and I don't care who you are, 16 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: what you fish for, how you fish, whatever, how long 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: you've been doing it, we all lie, and we particularly 18 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: lie and we lose fish. It's just something that we 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: do absolutely and I can take it, and I can 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: take it a step further like um in many respects. 21 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: You don't even have to hook it, Like, how many 22 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: times have you been fishing? Right at least I do that? 23 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: You get hit, you botch it for whatever reason, and 24 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: somebody else on the boat sees it happen and goes, 25 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: did you just get bit? And the reaction is so 26 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,039 Speaker 1: often Yeah, yeah, it was a little fish. Though it's 27 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: a little one. It's a little guy, a little twelve inure, 28 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: but it could have been a twenty in brown and 29 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: you know it, and you're still gonna say that, Yeah, 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: that's that's yeah, that's kind of my That's interesting because 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: like too, if I'm being honest here, and I usually am, 32 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: I go the other way, like because any fish that 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: I'm lose or miss are monsters. To clarify, I might 34 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: have lost a monster. I'm just saying I never know, 35 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: but like in my mind, that's what I tell myself 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: and others who are around me. If I don't catch 37 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: the fish and I don't, I think it's personally because 38 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: I get so jacked, Like if none, if it's a dink, right, 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm not saying like I turn a four inch or 40 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: into a trophy, but if I hook a good fish, 41 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: my mind will just conjure at image, like I'm I 42 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: get this image of of something that's much larger than 43 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: what's actually on the line. Oftentimes, when I think I've 44 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: got a good one, that I do land it right, 45 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: like like I superimpose the image of the fish that 46 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: I want to be fighting onto the fish that I'm 47 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,679 Speaker 1: actually fighting. And if I land it, the fantasy is 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: out the window, it's gone, it's shattered. But if I 49 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: lose it, I get to hold onto that fantasy and 50 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: that remains the biggest fish anyone in the boat has 51 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: ever seen. Wow, that's see, that's interesting, see because this 52 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: is where we differ, Like where where where you're like 53 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 1: hopeful optimism crashes into my my pervasive cynicism. Hey, this 54 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: is what happens. So so you get all juice stuff 55 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: and imagine greatness. I'm just assuming the worst all the time. 56 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: But it's like this. It generally happens when I'm fishing 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: with other people, Like it only works like I need witnesses, 58 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: and I swear it's almost like involuntary, But I think 59 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: it happens more out of anger and embarrassment than anything. 60 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: Because when I lose a fish, like and I know 61 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: it's a big one. I just want to move on, 62 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm inside, I'm seating, and I don't really I 63 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 1: don't really like yeah, like I'm saying like that's that's 64 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: that's my point. Like you have like a fish come 65 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: up and flash your streamer and like somebody else on 66 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: the boat sees that line, godink and did you get 67 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: bit and like you were sleeping on it or whatever 68 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: it is right, and it's like I'm a bitch. That 69 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 1: was twenty two inch brown, Like I'm like, yeah, it 70 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: was a little one. Because I don't really feel like 71 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: dissecting like why that just happened and how I just 72 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: set up. I just want to move on, like I 73 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: don't want to dwell on it, so my gut is 74 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: not to be like, oh that was a freaking giant 75 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: because then you know people are like, well, why didn't 76 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: you should have done this? Why did you strip him? 77 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: Or once you pause, I just want to move on. 78 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: You know, you you painted mind is optimist stick and 79 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: but I I think my way is just as much 80 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: an ego thing as what you're talking about. Like I 81 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: want everyone in the boat, including myself, to think I 82 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: just hooked mega that they missed right, like they didn't 83 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: get mega. I did, even if I even if I 84 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: missed it, right, I see it that way too. Yeah, 85 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: I can, this is true. I remember the details of 86 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: big fish I lost, down to every little iota of 87 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: the weather, where I was, what I was doing. I 88 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: can go back more than thirty years and recount exact 89 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,799 Speaker 1: stories of big fish I lost. Those ones. They stick 90 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: with me, sure, I think. I think the story that 91 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: encapsulates the point that we're talking about right now. I 92 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: was fishing the Yellowstone with my closest fishing buddy at 93 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: the time, and the conditions. It was one of those 94 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: days where you just you knew, big trout we're going 95 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: to get caught. You know. We're on the ass end 96 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: of runoff, and the water was high, but it was 97 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: dropping and it had that emerald green like the oh 98 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 1: that beautiful, and the flow was like it was high, 99 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: it was ripping, so all the fish were pushing into 100 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: the soft water on the banks, the big fish and 101 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: the little fish. And when that's going on, I mean, 102 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: you know what's happening. The big fish is just chowing 103 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: on all those little fish because they got no place 104 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: to hide. And we were doing well on this particular day, 105 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: like we were consistently getting solid fish, but we hadn't 106 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 1: got the fish we were after and the one we 107 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: knew we could get that day. It was just one 108 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: of those days. And I made this perfect cast into 109 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: the soft pocket and I just got slammed. Right. I 110 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: was fly fishing this, I was throwing streams. I was 111 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: throwing a nine weight for trout, and I could not 112 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: turn this fish. It was a big, heavy, stink tips giant, 113 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: giant streamer, and like I got slammed and I could 114 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: not turn. It takes off straight up stream. I'm fighting. 115 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 1: I fight it for like I thought it for a 116 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: good thirty seconds before the hook pulled. Now, I never 117 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: saw that fish. It is very possible that I gaffed 118 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: a sixteen incher right in the side and that thing 119 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 1: turned into the current and just dragged me. Right, But 120 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: that's not the story that I tell anybody else who 121 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: was there or myself or were you right now, Because 122 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: in my mind, I know I had a thirty in 123 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: brown that this is this is too good, right, this 124 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: is too funny, because the story I have, man, it 125 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: is exactly like that. But I came to the exact 126 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: opposite conclusion. So I was mousing for Browns at night 127 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: with my buddy Joe Dimo Theris, who's been on the 128 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: show several times, and man, it was it was a 129 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: really slow night, Like we went miles without touching of fish. 130 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: And you know what happens when that happens, like you 131 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: start to start to like zone out a little bit 132 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: um and then out of nowhere, just when you start 133 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: to zone out, you get jacked. And that's exactly what 134 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: happened to me. And just like your story, I swung 135 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: on this fish and I could not move it. I 136 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: just could not move and I was only fishing a 137 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,680 Speaker 1: sixth weight I think. And this fish, it gave me 138 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: three big headshakes but I don't know how to describe 139 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: them other than wide, like it wasn't like a fish, 140 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: just like jiggling its head real fast, like a little shaker, 141 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: Like this was like the wall wall and it's pulsing 142 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: the frigging rod And I got I got these few 143 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: shakes out of it and in the fly pole, and 144 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: I instantly go, that was really weird. I wonder if 145 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: that was a foul hook fish, right, I just and 146 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: I I knew Darren, well it wasn't. But I just 147 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: went to the instant downplay. Also advantage because it's dark, 148 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: so it's like, how much did Joe really see? Right? 149 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: I couldn't have seen what just happened right then and there. 150 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: And Joe d who keeps it real always just like, no, 151 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,239 Speaker 1: that was a giant ass brown trout that you just lost. 152 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: So same story, nearly identical stories, different mindset, totally opposite reaction. 153 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: I will say, I'm convinced, however, that either of us 154 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: were throwing a poppy mcpop face from thirteen Fishing, those 155 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: fish would have stayed pinned because then the sticky probably yes, 156 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: but then I wouldn't have been mousing or fly fishing. 157 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: But I can attest to the sharpness of the hooks 158 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: on that particular papo. Also sharp is our ability to 159 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: just work in a plug for our sponsored thirteen Fishing, 160 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: Just like that. We talk a lot about thirteen rods 161 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: and reels, but you, uh, you should, you should not 162 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: forget their lures. We have in the aforementioned and beautifully 163 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: named poppy make pop face. Uh, it's just no kidding, 164 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: It's just a well made, just badass all around popper. 165 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the clear perch pattern for 166 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: Smalley's So I have not thrown that one. I'm gonna 167 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: have to get that an arsenal. And I'm glad to 168 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: know there's a fish out there that you still know 169 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: how to land, but put trouble on it and you 170 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: can get them in, because apparently we both suck at 171 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: landing big trout, but personal shortcomings aside. It's it is 172 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: appropriate that you brought up night fishing for truck, because 173 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 1: that's what's happening in the story. We've got for smooth 174 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: Moves this week. This is part of the show where 175 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: we let guide and captains and shop kids and anyone 176 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: else in the fishing industry tell us tales of dumb 177 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 1: ship their clients have done. And we're bringing back our 178 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: good friend and ozark trout grew Steve Daly. It makes you, 179 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: it makes you feel any better. At least you got 180 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: the chance to like field those three headshakes. You've got 181 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: the connection with your giant night brown for a few seconds. 182 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: Because the dufus and the saga we're all about to hear, 183 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: he never got that chance. Why back again is the 184 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: the the man, the myth, the legend, the infamous Steve 185 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: Daly who it's been too long since we've actually talked, Steve. 186 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: I don't know how long ago was that we had 187 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: last had you on, but whatever it was, it was 188 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: too long. You've been too busy, like making money or whatever. Right, 189 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: so you've been you've been out collecting move moves stories 190 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: about stupid ship that's been going on, and supposedly you 191 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: have a great one for us. So yeah, I think 192 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 1: we need to explain that. Like as busy as as 193 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Steve is, like you came to us, you were like 194 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: I need I have to tell this story. So this 195 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: has got to be, like it's got to be a 196 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: good one. Okay. So I've had these two reprobates in 197 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: those of the boat that I know quite well, and 198 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: they've called me into taking them night fishing because it 199 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: is going to be and it has the prospects. There's 200 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: some rising water coming after dark, and there was an 201 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: unusual water pattern that we don't usually get. Anyway, We've 202 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: got in a dark and it's beautiful evening floating on 203 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: get down the river, the sun setting, it's all picturesque, 204 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: and we start fishing and there's there's one instruction I'm 205 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: trying to give all night because some buggers aren't listening. 206 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: Is slow down, That's the That's always been the key 207 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 1: for me. Did you get out there and you think, hey, 208 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: I'm going to catch a big fish. It's it's all 209 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: going to happen, and the adrenaline and cast at the 210 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: cast more cast more, cast castre that's what we're doing. 211 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:08,480 Speaker 1: And it's like slow down and slow down and repetitive, 212 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: mind numbingly repetitive instruction. The guide sitting there in the oars. 213 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 1: So we've managed to go along. We've pulled up, and 214 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: the fish is not great, partly because they can't actually 215 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: track down the flies. They're coming back at the speed 216 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: of sound. And seriously, these guys couldn't have stripped any 217 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: harder if they've been fueled on cocaine. All right, So 218 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: we've got down and the night's gone, and we've got 219 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: one small brown that fells that stupidly swam into the fly, 220 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: and we've got a few rainbows that you barely want 221 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: to talk about, and we've got down to the end, 222 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: and seriously, they've almost worn out the beer. There's one 223 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: beer left on the boat. As we come back to 224 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: the last little rock shelf from this, a little bit 225 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: of turbulent water on the downstream side, and it's like, well, 226 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: we're going to pull up here in it. This is 227 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: my last shot right the boat ramps at seventy yards away. 228 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm trying to get these guys in a fish because 229 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: I'd really like to see them catch a good fish 230 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: for at least the effort and factually worn the fingers 231 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: out scripping um. Did I mentioned they should slow down again? 232 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: This is about how the conversations going. And we're sitting 233 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: there at this edge and just like they've just whipped 234 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: it through and you know, it's basically a swing. Just 235 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: stay in contact with that fly and let it happen. 236 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: Wait for the bump. And finally one of them sits 237 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 1: down and says I'm done. I'm gonna have the last beer. 238 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: And the other one in the back is just like, 239 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: I think he's tangled up or something stupid. And I 240 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: did the stupid thing. I said, let me have that, right, 241 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: let me have and it's a boat ramp fish on board. 242 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: I've been trying to work out how I'm going to 243 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: tell these guys and it's like, just spin the evening 244 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: out for another fifteen minutes. Let's go spaghetti my and 245 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: a couple of glasses of red wine and you know, 246 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: and enjoy the evening. And I make three casts. The 247 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: second one I feel this tap and it's like, oh, 248 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: when I don't say anything. In the third cast, whap 249 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: hits it said him to it. It comes back and 250 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: because it's night fishing, it comes back like a log 251 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: to Yeah. Yeah, they don't pull that, and seemingly at 252 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: night and this thing just comes. I want to talk 253 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: about that when you're done. But that's interesting you bring 254 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: that up. I've noticed that too, that they don't fight 255 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: at nate. They don't fight it nate, not like not 256 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 1: like a daytime. And you know, we shine the light 257 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: over the side, and here's the fish and I'm looking 258 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: at now I'm feeling really bad. The boys are actually 259 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: quite exciting because it's the first indecent fish they've seen 260 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: all night and the fact that they're idiot guy has 261 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: swung the rod Joe man, you know, the saddest but 262 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: the old story. You know, you know who the idiot burned. 263 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: The name was no Viles, Bloody Dolty. Wait a minute, 264 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,440 Speaker 1: this was all about you, that was this was all 265 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: about me. This is my smooth move in Daly's boat, 266 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: because here's the scene. But we're talking smooth moves. We've 267 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: all done them, guide not guide, whatever, journalist, photographer, We've 268 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: all done that stupid ship. And that's the Isn't that 269 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: the fishing? You took a whole night flow in Arkansas 270 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: and just burned your flies all night long. I will, 271 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: I will, I will admit, I will admit to him 272 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: to do this. I should also say this is purely 273 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: an act of hubers, because at that time I was 274 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: at the height of my guiding career. I really felt 275 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: like I was dialed into the streamer scene in my 276 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: local waters, and so I was fishing it the way 277 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: I knew was gonna work on the big brown shop 278 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: for me. And Dally kept saying, like, you know, you 279 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: might want to slow down, and I'm like, I know 280 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: how to catch big brown shout, like I know how 281 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: to fish stream dude, Like I appreciate it, but I 282 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: know how to do this, And I would not listen 283 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: until he literally said, well, let me have a crack 284 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: at It took three casts and stuck at twenty seven 285 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: right in front of me. It was it was one 286 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: of those It was one of those times I will 287 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: never forget because I I had to take that humility 288 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: pill to recognize that even if I think I know 289 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: the situation, that I know the style of fishing, that 290 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: I know the fish, I don't necessarily know it everywhere 291 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: and I was wrong. It's fascinating to me though, because 292 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: I feel like that's a lack of It's not trout 293 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: fishing ability, it's like night fishing ability, because everything you do, 294 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: like even striper's like you're throwing a black plug at night. 295 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: It's like, how do I reel that? Like pain? Everything 296 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: is slow? Like I feel like that's any predator fishing 297 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: at night slow as the way to go. So was 298 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: that was that like A had you not night fished much? Then? 299 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: I mean I have had. I have night fish, but 300 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: not nearly as much as you two guys. I think 301 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: that's true. You don't. The rivers around here are not 302 00:15:56,080 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: necessarily safe to float at night because water. I feel 303 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: like I need to reciprocate and now like dig up 304 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: a guide who can smooth moves me because I know 305 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: that they're out there. This took me way off. At 306 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: what point in the story did you realize this was 307 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: about you? I imagine as soon as you started up, dude, 308 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: Oh you said, of course, I don't. I feel like 309 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: a horse's ass. No work perfectly funny. I think it's hysterical. 310 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, this is less 311 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: about smooth move. Seriously, this is this is not about 312 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: just customers. We just get to get the stories because 313 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: we see more of them. It's about stupid people doing 314 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: stupid ship when they're fishing, when it comes down to it, 315 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: and that's the that's the joy, because yeah, I get 316 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: people in my boat all the time when you comers 317 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: and go yeah, it's like you don't need to be 318 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: any good to love this game and have a great time, right. Truly, 319 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: I hope that every story I tell about clients it's 320 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: because I love those clients and I love those other 321 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: bits because they're really funny. Doesn't mean I don't like them. 322 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: That's the thing about this guy. We all screw this 323 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: up all the time, and embracing our own screw ups 324 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: and being able to laugh at him with our buddies 325 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 1: is half the fun of fishing. What a twist man 326 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 1: for everyone listening, No joke, I honestly had no idea 327 00:17:28,080 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: that was going to be a story about Miles I was. 328 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: I was genuinely surprised, and I actually, man, that was 329 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: that was very well played, beautiful played. Thank you, thank you, 330 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: I was, I will. I will say I was proud 331 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: of that idea when it came to me when I 332 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: was not sleeping one night, I was like to do 333 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 1: this because we we dog on all these random strangers 334 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: in the the statement, right, and most of them, most of 335 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: them probably deserve it. But it's not like you were, 336 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: I are above criticism, right, Nope. We we did that 337 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 1: whole show a couple of weeks ago about flexing and 338 00:17:56,359 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: fishing and sometimes sometimes it's easy to fly X when 339 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: you're the guide. And this goes for paid guides and 340 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: informal guides, Like anytime you're in that kind of role 341 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: of of leading, you're on your homewater, you know what's 342 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: going on, and you get to sit there and critique 343 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: someone else's fishing, but you never actually have to fish yourself. Right, 344 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: And and when I get thrust out of my comfort 345 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: zone and I have to be the angler on someone 346 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: else's boat, on their water, not knowing exactly what I'm doing, 347 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 1: there's a good chance I'm gonna screw it up. And 348 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: I admit that I learned from it, but I screwed up. 349 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: I commend you. I commend you. I thought I was 350 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: burying my soul talking about downplaying the size of some fish. 351 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: I goofed, but that was next level, So good on you. Um. Anyway, 352 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: let's find out who our audio engineer, Phil is going 353 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: to commend this week. Following the Battle Royale we tend 354 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: to sometimes now and again referred to as fish news, 355 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: fish news. That escalated quickly, So we mentioned last week 356 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: that we'd be unveiling a pretty significant contest this week. 357 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: More can then the previous contest. And if you subscribe 358 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 1: to the Fishing Weekly newsletter, and we hope that you do, UM, 359 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: you you already know what's up. Okay, you've got the 360 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: inside track. But for those of you that don't pay attention, 361 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 1: because um, one of you is going to get to 362 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 1: be on bent with me and Miles. That is correct. 363 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: One lucky winner, one very very lucky winner, super lucky, 364 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: so lucky. It's gonna get to record a smooth move 365 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: segment with us. It's gonna be remote. We're not like, 366 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: You're not gonna fly out to sit in Joe's home 367 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: office or my spare bedroom slash office slash child playroom. 368 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 1: But we do want to record your story about the 369 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: most idiotic, insane, funny, crazy, or just what the thing 370 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: you've ever seen or done while out fishing. That's right, 371 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: and to sweeten the pot, said winner will also get 372 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: him or herself a swag pack of meat Eator fishing 373 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: peril and stickers. Plus we'll throw in some bent stickables 374 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: because that's what we do. But I mean, the bigger 375 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: payout is obviously the fifteen minutes of quasi semi fame, 376 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: if you'd call it for for you and yeah for 377 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: you in the world of degenerate anglers, so true, all 378 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: your other degenerates will be jealous to enter. All you 379 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: gotta do is go to the meat eater dot com 380 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: slash get bent all right, follow the instructions, share your story. 381 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: You can write as much as you want. I'm gonna 382 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: get I'm gonna give you a little hint here we 383 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: are into the whole brevity thing. We are less is more, 384 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: So give us the gist, give us, give us the lure, 385 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: the hook, whatever you whatever you wanna call it. Uh. 386 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: This contest is open to everyone, but you bent die 387 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: hard to know what we like and you know how 388 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: to get our attention, So we're we're privileging you. You do, 389 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: you do, and you've got until July to enter and 390 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: get our attention. We'll pick a winner. Miles and I 391 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: are doing the picking, of course, shortly after that, and 392 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: set up a time to record with you, which is 393 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: seriously very easy and chill like. It's not a scary production. 394 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: Anyone can do it, you know, So don't worry. You 395 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: don't need a microphone, you don't need you You just 396 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: need to be able to talk and tell a good story. 397 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 1: We'll do this and we'll all hang out, will crack 398 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: a beer, will shoot the ship digitally for a bit. 399 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: It's gonna be good times. You know what else, though, 400 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: is a really good time m drinking beer or other 401 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: beverages with our our audio engineer, Phil. He's just such 402 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: a such a cool, fun, hilarious, handsome person. And I'm 403 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm I'm not just saying that because fish News is 404 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: a competition where Joe and I do not know which 405 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: story is the other guys bringing the table, and that 406 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: Phil will pass judgment on us at the end. That's 407 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm saying it because I mean it. Phil from the 408 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: bottom of my heart. So it's your lead this week. Man, 409 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 1: what do you guys have at it? Yeah, okay, you 410 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,479 Speaker 1: aren't saying any of that to get on Phil's good night, 411 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: all right, So maybe Phil will enjoy a feel good 412 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,239 Speaker 1: story that I'm starting with here. UM. And this one 413 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: comes to us from the Washington Post alright headline, WAPO 414 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: right headline, when the pandemic closed this Maryland school, He 415 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: saved the trout. Okay, it's funky one, right, Okay, it's 416 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: I I like this one. So I'm sure some of 417 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,159 Speaker 1: you guys are aware of the program called Trout in 418 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: the classroom. Miles, I know you you've heard of this. 419 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: So it's run by Trout Unlimited, UM. And what they 420 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: do is provide schools with tanks, filters, water, chillers, food, 421 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: and about a hundred fertilized rainbow trout eggs. And the 422 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: kids get to raise trout at school, right. And they 423 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: tend to get these setups in the December, and the 424 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: kids care for the trout and by May the fish 425 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: are usually about two inches long, and just before school 426 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: lets out. The part of the fund is they release 427 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: these fingerlings into a local stream. UM and just in 428 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: case sister Helen Laurett, the principle at Incarnation School, where 429 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: I went as listening, where were you on this one? Okay, 430 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: because this is amazing and I'd have been all about it. 431 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: We were only ever given rosary beads and told to 432 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: sit quietly and let the Holy Spirit grow within our hearts. 433 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: Um So, Anyway, the fifth graders at Westbrook Elementary School 434 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 1: in Bethesda, Maryland were all set up to raise their trout, 435 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: and then the pandemic hit, and needless to say, uh, 436 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: nobody was particularly concerned about the fate of those trout, except, 437 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: of course, for one man, Malik Walker, the school's services 438 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: manager right now, Being a pretty avid angler and seeing 439 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: that he was only one of a very few people 440 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: that had access to the school on a daily basis 441 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: through the entire lockdown, he decided he was going to 442 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: care for these trout. But this ended up becoming like 443 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: quite the undertaking and learning experience for Walker, because he 444 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: he admits in the story that while he's caught plenty 445 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 1: of fish, he's he's never raised them. Okay, So, according 446 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: to the story, about fifty fish died in the first 447 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: two weeks, most because they're apparently jumpers. And a little 448 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: little trout would leap out of the tank. So you know, 449 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,040 Speaker 1: he secured the lid. That was kind of step one. 450 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: And then then dude just went on YouTube to figure 451 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: out like, okay, what do I that's what you did? 452 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: Any problem, it's on YouTube, right And for a while 453 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: it was fine. He fed the trout and figured out 454 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: the proper tank cleaning schedule and all that stuff. But 455 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: eventually the food that provided food ran out. So what 456 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 1: did he do on a weekly basis? He would like 457 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: hunt down spiders and crickets and grubs and anything he 458 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: thought would fit in those tiny trout mouths. Okay, good 459 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: on him. So now the school year ends now at summer, 460 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: and before you know it, it's fall. And remember the 461 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,159 Speaker 1: kids usually released the trout at two inches. Well, uh, 462 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 1: Walker did lose a lot of trout along the way. 463 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 1: But by December twenty, a full year after the eggs arrived, 464 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: he had fifteen foot long rainbow trout. And listen, while 465 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: I realized that's not many compared to the starting number 466 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: of eggs the school had, that's impressive when you understand 467 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: how delicate trout are like. They are extremely difficult to 468 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 1: raise and keep in captivity. Everything has to be perfect, 469 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: so that's quite an impressive feat anyway. So then last 470 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 1: December they finally they transferred the remaining trout to coolers, 471 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: and some of the students got to go help release 472 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: those fish into the Pawtuxet River, but Walker did not 473 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 1: go because he got attached to his trout. He was 474 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: too sad, and in the story he even said, yeah, 475 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: he even said he's kind of giving up on on 476 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: freshwater fishing now and only targeting saltwater fish because he 477 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,359 Speaker 1: bonded with those fifteen trout. Now, I could be a 478 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: sicko and point out that Walker's rainbows are at least 479 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: gonna taste like more than a wet paper towel because 480 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: they've at least been eating natural forage instead of the 481 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: friskies cat food like all the other stockers. But won't. 482 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 1: I won't say that, okay, because for Walker's sake, I 483 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,280 Speaker 1: really hope none of his fifteen trout have already been 484 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 1: run through with a wonder boner story. I did not 485 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: see that coming. You threw me, That's all I got. 486 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: What do you You really knocked me off balance with 487 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: the wonder boner. That's what they do you know, you know, 488 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: I think it's a very heartwarming story. I don't know 489 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: about his I don't know how he came to the 490 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: conclusion that, like, well, freshwater fish are now friends, but 491 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: saltwater fish remained the folks. I don't quite get that, 492 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: but still striper in the eyes before he clubs it, 493 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Sure, whatever whatever you gotta 494 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: do to get through the day, and I'll I will 495 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: say that I appreciate like the upbeat, positive, heartwarming, you know, like, 496 00:26:56,600 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for? Human interest suspect you 497 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 1: took to lead off today's news, and I am going 498 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: to go the opposite direction, entirely not interested in humans 499 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: at all. No, no one's gonna be happy and feel 500 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: good at the end of this story. And I will 501 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 1: say that this week I'm doing something a little different. 502 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: Joe doesn't know this yet. He's finding out too. I 503 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: noticed the theme when doing my fish news research this week. 504 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 1: So what I'm doing is, instead of doing two stories, 505 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: I just decided to gather a whole bunch of related 506 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: stories into one big story up. I'm doubling down with 507 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: with one giant fish news roundup. And uh, you know, 508 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: the main takeaway that I got from the reading I 509 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,880 Speaker 1: did this week is that I'm glad I'm not a fish. 510 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: Uh you know, might have been a shitty year to 511 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: be a person, but is shaping up to be a 512 00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: just exceptionally shitty year for fish. I'm I'm sure that 513 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: you have heard about or are living through, the unusually hot, 514 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: dry weather that's roasting most of the country this summer. Well, 515 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: for us, right that means we we might have to 516 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 1: spend our days mainlining a c and just facing pints 517 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: of ice cream for health reasons, you know, for your health, 518 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: cool off, for your health, for your health. But for 519 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: fish the stakes are somewhat higher. If you go on 520 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 1: on the interwebs right now and you search fish kill, 521 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: you will find a disturbing littany stories. So in the 522 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: interest of keeping you all informed, I'm just gonna give 523 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: an overview of of the fishy death and destruction going 524 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: on moving from west to east Phil. This needs a 525 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: sound bite right here or something something some kind of 526 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: depending surprises very don't look at shut your eyes, Mary, 527 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: and don't look at it no matter what happens. The 528 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: Klamath River flows along the Oregon California border and was 529 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 1: once a thriving salmon and steelhead fishery, the Klamath River 530 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: basin is currently experiencing extreme and exceptional drought, the worst 531 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: in four decades. While I'm going to focus on the 532 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: fish and fisheries aspect of the story, agriculture in the 533 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: area will also be decimated again this year, so let's 534 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: hold that too. Salmon in the Clamate have been struggling 535 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: for decades, in part due to a parasitic disease called 536 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: sea shasta, which has become a significant problem due to 537 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 1: the combination of lower water warmer temperature is a lower 538 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: water table, and the impacts of dams. The parasite can 539 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: kill salmon of all age classes when concentrations reach a 540 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,520 Speaker 1: high enough level, and right now the concentrations are extremely high. 541 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: This year. The fish kill began in early May, and 542 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: now nineties seven percent of juvenile coho and chinook salmon 543 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: are testing positive for the parasite. Of the observed juvenile 544 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: fish have died. The parasite is predicted to completely wipe 545 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: out an entire year class of fish whose numbers have 546 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: already plummeted in the past two generations. You need to 547 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: get Malik Walker out there on that real quick. He'll 548 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: he'll hook him up. Sorry. Moving over to Montella, the 549 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: famed Madison River, which I have fished probably more than 550 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: any other body of water in the country, experienced an 551 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: acute die off of whitefish, trout, and suckers amid water 552 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: temps soaring into the mid seventies in June. Yeah, it's 553 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: a bit early for that, bit early for that for 554 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 1: you guys. Anglers also reported seeing brown trout with the 555 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: telltale white markings of the Saprolena fungus, which is sometimes 556 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: referred to as cotton molds. You know I'm talking about 557 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: because it looks like inspected fish have these like billy 558 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: white cotton bits. It's it's not good. The fungus can 559 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: be fatal, especially when fish experience other stressors like elevated 560 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: water temps. Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks instituted what are 561 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: known as hoot owl restrictions early this year on the 562 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: lower Madisone, meaning that anglers cannot fish from two pm 563 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: to midnight. A string of consistently warm summers has greatly 564 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 1: diminished the trout population on that streat to the river, 565 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: especially brown trout, whose numbers are at fifty of the 566 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: twenty year average. I will not be fishing the Lower 567 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: Madison at all, no matter what time it is, until 568 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: temps get below sixty five degrees, and I hope that 569 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,719 Speaker 1: other people will consider doing the same. Crossing over into Minnesota, 570 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: the dn R is reporting piles of dead fish washing 571 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: up on the shores of some lakes across the northern 572 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: part of the state and even into the Minneapolis suburbs. 573 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 1: According to Tom Bury, a limnologist who worked for the 574 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: Minnesota dn R, quote, this is a rare occurrence. We 575 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: have such extreme drought conditions right now. Bury also said 576 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,160 Speaker 1: that rapidly warming water temperatures are putting stress on fish 577 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: and making them more susceptible to infections. Cruis it on 578 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: down to Kansas City. Bush Creek lost an estimated fifty 579 00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: two thousand fish so far this summer, after oxygen levels 580 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: dropped to one part per million, which according to the 581 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: local fish biologist, Jake Klaur, is lethal to nearly every fish. 582 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: For context, five parts per million is considered good oxygen 583 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: saturation for most warm water fish in the summer. The 584 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: vast majority of the fish that died were sunfish, but 585 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: common and silver carp also went the up, and if 586 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: carper dying, yeah, that's not good. You know, it's bad. 587 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: That's not good. While fish skills happened nearly every summer 588 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: in this creek, this year is the worst coal hour 589 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: has ever seen. To be fair, though, this is an urban, 590 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: paved water system, So while it's concerning, it's it's not 591 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: the tragic like saying that we're seeing over on the planet. 592 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: In Madison. Scooting over to Delaware, two hundred thousand juvenile 593 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: menhaden died in Rehoboth Bay as a result of low 594 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: levels of dissolved oxygen. Chris Basin, executive director for the 595 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: Delaware Center for Inland Bays, describes Rehobeth as a very 596 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: unhealthy estuary. Miles and miles of concrete canals were cut 597 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: into the bay to allow for easier boat passage and docking, 598 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 1: which destroyed the natural salt marshes. Whereas those marshes were 599 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: historically flushed by tidal flow, nutrient and toxin lade runoff 600 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: from lawns and agriculture now gets trapped in the canals, 601 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: which leads to massive fish kills like this one. And 602 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: finally we land in Florida, where it seems like fish 603 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: are dying just about everywhere. Many of Florida's fish are 604 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,360 Speaker 1: dying for the same reasons as in other parts of 605 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: the country, lack of dissolved oxygen exacerbated by alba blooms. 606 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: But while in much of the country these blooms are 607 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: being caused by midsummer drought and heat, Florida's algae tends 608 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: to bloom when rains flush fertilizer into lakes, rivers, estuaries, 609 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: and bays, and Florida is just starting their rainy season. 610 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: On the west side, The coastlines north of Tampa Bay 611 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: are littered with fish carcasses as a red tide moves 612 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: up out of the bay. An Emergency Services regional manager 613 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: told The Tampa Bay Times that his crews were removing 614 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty cubic feet of fish parts, or 615 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: enough to fill two commercial dumpsters every day. This red 616 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: tide and related fish kill have not yet reached the 617 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: catastrophic levels of eighteen when much of Florida's west coast 618 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,919 Speaker 1: was coated in dead marine life, but the red tide 619 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: season still young, we still might get there. This part 620 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: of the state hasn't yet received the kind of significant 621 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: rainfall that usually precipitates a major red tide event. So 622 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: it's it's a little confusing, but I have an idea 623 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: that might explain what's going on. The researchers are not 624 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,479 Speaker 1: yet able to make a definitive link. This bloom comes 625 00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,759 Speaker 1: just months after the Piney Point incident we reported on 626 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: holding ponds discharged nearly two million gallons of wastewater into 627 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay, adding the equivalent to about a hundred thousand 628 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: bags of fertilizer into the water, and that bite have 629 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 1: something to do with the red tide bloom. Maybe sticking 630 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: with the algal bloom theme. Over in Boka, Ratne one 631 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: thousand dead shed washed up on the banks of Sabal Lake. 632 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,000 Speaker 1: Once again. The culprit here was a lack of dissolved 633 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: oxygen due to a prolonged drought followed by the season's 634 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: first rains, which also contributed to a blue green algae 635 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: bloom and an outbreak of Ciono bacteria around West Palm 636 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 1: Beach that's currently threatening the health and safety of public 637 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 1: drinking water. And finally, finishing this doom and gloom story 638 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:13,320 Speaker 1: on Florida's East coast, just stop that might not have 639 00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 1: anything to do with dissolve oxygen. For once, scores of 640 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: colorful tropical reef fish like trigger fish, parrot fish, and 641 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: angel fish are washing up on Palm Beach. The exact 642 00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: causes of this fish kill have not been announced, but 643 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: divers in the area report that water temperatures dropped twenty 644 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: degrees from the mid eighties to the mid sixties in 645 00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: less than a week. Such erratic shifts are rare, but 646 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: can happen when winds, currents, and eddies conspire to cause 647 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,880 Speaker 1: what are known as upwellings. The previous week, a strong 648 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: current from the north was passing the outer edge of 649 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: the reef, which may have contributed to the stark temperature change. 650 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: I'm sure I missed a couple of fish die off catastrophes, 651 00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: and if I missed one of the ones in your area, 652 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: let us know where. You're not catching fish anymore, I apologize. 653 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,239 Speaker 1: There are so many I can't keep track of them all. 654 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: When I was talking to my wife about this, uh, 655 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: she asked me less. She was like, what's what's your 656 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,080 Speaker 1: takeaway going to be? And how are you going to 657 00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,560 Speaker 1: make this? You know, I'm struggling with that myself, but 658 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead, and the answer is simple, I'm not Yeah, 659 00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: this really isn't funny. You like reporting like you're reporting 660 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: this out of a job, is what you're doing. Like 661 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,600 Speaker 1: three weeks from now will be like our new store 662 00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: will be like we talked to the one guy that 663 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: caught a fish in the United States of America, going 664 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: to him live. I felt the need like this was 665 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,719 Speaker 1: such a pervasive theme. I felt the need to jam 666 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: I'm not not even doing it. This is news and this, 667 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 1: this ship is happening. I saw a bunch of these 668 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: two and I feel like the reason I didn't grab 669 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 1: one is because I'm like, well, which one, Like it's 670 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: it's all the same thing. But you did it the 671 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,120 Speaker 1: right way, you did the journalistic way, and you've covered 672 00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 1: them all. That does not make it any less depressing. No, 673 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 1: don't feel any more excited to do my next story, 674 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: which is done in a takeaway ahead. Yeah, my, my, my, my, 675 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: go ahead, if you gotta take away hit it. All 676 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: I was gonna say was, look, look, these droughts and 677 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: these fish kills are what they are. There's not a 678 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: ton in the like we can do to stop that 679 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: right now. But I will say, um, you know you 680 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,120 Speaker 1: were talking about the Madison in particular, and then shutting 681 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: them down the fishing there. Um, you know, summer is 682 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: fishing time. We all love to go fishing in the summer. 683 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,840 Speaker 1: Everybody does it, That's what we're all about. But I 684 00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 1: really don't think that enough people pay much mind to 685 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: fish care when it's hot, you know what I mean. 686 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: Like that's and and just very very quickly, like the 687 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,160 Speaker 1: last couple of weeks, I've been floating to Delaware here 688 00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: with my dad and taking my kids out, and I've 689 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 1: been just taking out this old nasty shad that I 690 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: had in the freezer, and I'm trying to catch channel cats, right, 691 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: I just wanted. We're swimming and having a good time 692 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: and just like trying to reef on a few channel cats, 693 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: and I can only catch stripers. And it's very late 694 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: in the summer for there to be as many stripers 695 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: as there are this side this size, in this part 696 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: of the river eating shad. And that's great to catch them, 697 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: but every single one of them, I've had to spend 698 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 1: at least five minutes reviving them so that they can 699 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,239 Speaker 1: swim back to the bottom of this cold run that 700 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,759 Speaker 1: they're apparently sitting in you know what I mean, And 701 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: you know looking at that going like, well, man, it's 702 00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: so neat to be doing this this time of year. 703 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: But I mean you could physically see it, like you 704 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: pull them out of these runs they're sitting in and 705 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: they're whooped. I mean that water is seventy five degrees now. Um, 706 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 1: And I think that in general, even with quote warm 707 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: water species, large mouth muskies in particular pipe, um, take 708 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: that extra time even if they fought hard. I mean, 709 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,720 Speaker 1: give them, make sure that they're they're going back breathing 710 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,800 Speaker 1: and strong and kicking off on their own. Because I 711 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: don't think we think enough about how hot water affects fish. 712 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 1: That's all I got to say. No, your takeaways very 713 00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: very similar to mine. Um, And I think that we 714 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,839 Speaker 1: all I think. For a long time, I won't speak 715 00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: for other people. For a long time, I sort of 716 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: fell like, well, summertime is my fishing time, and and 717 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: that's the time you're you're allowed to fish and supposed fish. 718 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: And as I've learned more, especially about cold water species, 719 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,479 Speaker 1: but warm water species too, muskie is a good point. 720 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: Those things are delicate. I'm learning that that that that's 721 00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: not actually the case, and that it's incumbent upon me 722 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,759 Speaker 1: to know the conditions on the plate at the different 723 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: places where I fish and make my plans accordingly. Right, 724 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna change the way I fish this summer 725 00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,200 Speaker 1: right for right now anyway around me, this part just 726 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,000 Speaker 1: just kind of is pertinent to me. I'm gonna I'm 727 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: gonna fish way higher up in the systems. I'm gonna 728 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,839 Speaker 1: fish the tiny little creeks and high mountain lakes where 729 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: it's still cold, right, instead of the big rivers with 730 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: the big fish. I'm gonna go. If I want to 731 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: catch and release, I'm gonna go up into the high 732 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: creeks um And if I do fish those larger rivers 733 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: and lakes, right, I'm I'm selectively targeting fish I intend 734 00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,440 Speaker 1: to harvest because that's the way to do it right 735 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 1: for a while. Anyway, catching release of of vulnerable species 736 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,400 Speaker 1: is out for me, And that may sound counterintuitive, but 737 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,239 Speaker 1: it's just not ethical in a lot of places a lot, 738 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,360 Speaker 1: and I feel the same way. I'm either gonna have 739 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: to find some new channel cats spots where there's actually 740 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 1: channel cats. But you know, I'm fishing these usual places 741 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: where I know the cats are in the summer and 742 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: there's just this abundance of stripers there. But I feel 743 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,120 Speaker 1: bad to the point where like I'm like I should 744 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 1: just I'm gonna stop doing that for a while, you 745 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And just they're there for whatever reason, 746 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,840 Speaker 1: and they're comfortable in this particular run, you know, just 747 00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: just leave them there. Um. And that's the thing I 748 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,800 Speaker 1: think people don't realize. Yes, you let that fish go, 749 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,800 Speaker 1: it swims away, but it's not going to survive. You 750 00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: just get to avoid the uncomfortable confrontation of the reality 751 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: of how many fish are killing. Right. So any fish 752 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 1: I'm catching the major rivers, they're going, they're going to 753 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: the smoker. And once I get all I want to 754 00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: eat that day, I'm gonna stop fishing. Yeah, and you know, 755 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: fish earlier in the day, just pay attention to those. Otherwise, 756 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: if it's hot midday, I'm going carpet fishing. That's what 757 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. That's that's my solution. I'm trying to 758 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,279 Speaker 1: think of a transition here, and I guess we can. 759 00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: We can go from uh a country where where a 760 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,319 Speaker 1: whole lot of fisher die, into another distant country where 761 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,040 Speaker 1: where one is just emerged and just one out of nowhere. 762 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: And I also think the story is a complete lie. 763 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: So this is a short and dumb story. But I 764 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: flagged it literally because I think it is fabricated. I 765 00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,719 Speaker 1: literally think some website or rag paper was short on 766 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: a story and like through darts at a board and 767 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: put them all together and landed on this. Okay, uh 768 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: So I grabbed it from perth now dot com and 769 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,600 Speaker 1: the headline is um testicle eating pacu fish found lurking 770 00:42:54,680 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: in European waters. Yeah. Yeah, right. So now just based 771 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 1: on that, you might say, okay, maybe because people all 772 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,400 Speaker 1: over the world dump exotics where they're not supposed to be, right, 773 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: and your Europe is pretty large. It's fair, it's fairly large, um, 774 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,640 Speaker 1: And I mean there's plenty of places in Europe that 775 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,240 Speaker 1: could sustain a paku for a while at least especially 776 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,919 Speaker 1: in summer um. And these fish are, of course, they're 777 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 1: native to the Amazon, to the rainforest, and they're kind of, 778 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,880 Speaker 1: I would say, becoming sort of a posh fly target. 779 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,799 Speaker 1: Do you agree with that? I think the only thing 780 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,879 Speaker 1: because people want golden dorato, but then they get there 781 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: and they can't find the golden round. So the guys 782 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: like here, you go catch one of these. I think 783 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: that's how that happened. Fair, fair, So if you don't 784 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: know what they are, they look like a giant piranha. 785 00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,320 Speaker 1: In fact, they might be related. I don't know that 786 00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,440 Speaker 1: for sure, but they look like a big piranha. Um, 787 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: but they have instead of sharp piranha teeth, they have 788 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: more human like teeth. And they're vegetarians, right, um, so 789 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: guys on the fly they catch them on like you know, 790 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,440 Speaker 1: things that look like floating nuts and seeds and flowers 791 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,360 Speaker 1: and ship um. Anyway, anyway, they're They're also sometimes referred 792 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:04,279 Speaker 1: to as the ball cutter fish because they have been 793 00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: known to mistake the testicles of unfortunate swimmers for tree 794 00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,719 Speaker 1: nuts in the water. And like, I've never heard that. 795 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:17,840 Speaker 1: Oh really, I've never heard the testicle lunching story. Yeah yeah, okay, 796 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: now here's the how I've heard this a ton. I'm 797 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,120 Speaker 1: very shocked you've never heard that before. Um now, now, 798 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: how often does that really happen? I'm guessing not that much, 799 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 1: like maybe a couple of times, right, But like it 800 00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,760 Speaker 1: was Jeremy Wade that basically built the entire River Monsters 801 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,200 Speaker 1: franchise out of telling you it happens a hundred times 802 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: a day, you know what. I It's like every thirteen 803 00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 1: point four seconds, another man one of his nuts to 804 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,799 Speaker 1: a packu. Right. But regardless, Um, this is the thing 805 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,839 Speaker 1: that the media has latched onto, the ball cutting, which 806 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,319 Speaker 1: is why I'm shocked you haven't heard it. But here's 807 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 1: where this story gets odd. Okay. According to the story, 808 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 1: the European pacu in question was caught by fisherman and 809 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: R Lingren off the coast of Sweden. What right, And 810 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: there's two very there's two very big things wrong with 811 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,400 Speaker 1: this facca refreshwater fish. That's number one. That's a big one. 812 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: That's a big that's the first big red flag waving 813 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,719 Speaker 1: out there. Right. Um. But but also, while I might 814 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,360 Speaker 1: buy a pacu being caught in like the south of 815 00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,840 Speaker 1: France or some river in sudden Italy, perhaps like Sweden, 816 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,800 Speaker 1: the maximum high temperature, because I researched at at midday 817 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,800 Speaker 1: in summer in Sweden it's seventy three degrees So I 818 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,719 Speaker 1: find it hard to believe that a pacu would last 819 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: in any water there, let alone salt water, which they 820 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: cannot be in ever. Um. But as I found this 821 00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: story in three places, Um. One ran a picture of 822 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,440 Speaker 1: a piranha, so that was totally out, and the other 823 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 1: to show they show a pacu, but they're clearly taken 824 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,360 Speaker 1: in South America, so I'm not seeing any photographic evidence 825 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,600 Speaker 1: of this, this alleged Swedish pacu. But wait, because they 826 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,879 Speaker 1: did bring in an expert in the story to tell 827 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: us absolutely nothing. So here's a quote. Henrik Carl, from 828 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: Denmark's Natural History Museum told local media the pacu is 829 00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:14,800 Speaker 1: not normally dangerous to people, but it has quite a 830 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,680 Speaker 1: serious bite there, but incidents in other countries where some 831 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,840 Speaker 1: men have had their testicles bitten off. Carl added that 832 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,759 Speaker 1: the pacu fishes are largely vegetarian and nip away at 833 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,439 Speaker 1: those in the water only because they are hungry. He said, 834 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,480 Speaker 1: they bite because they're hungry and testicles sit nicely in 835 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: their mouth. And I say, Henry, Henrick, you always you 836 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,600 Speaker 1: always know just how to put things so as claves understand. 837 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 1: So then the story just goes goes on to make 838 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: jokes about Swedish meatballs or sweetie meats as I like 839 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,160 Speaker 1: to call them, and ends on something about kimono dragons 840 00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,080 Speaker 1: being equally dangerous. So great job ridding the frigid salt 841 00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,440 Speaker 1: waters off Sweden of that one ball cutter in our Lingren, 842 00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,800 Speaker 1: who I don't think actually exists. So there's there's my 843 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,960 Speaker 1: second story, which hopefully we gotta we got a little 844 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,920 Speaker 1: laugh after the piles of dead fish from that man. 845 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,279 Speaker 1: I've got to say we have. We have dug up 846 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: some absolutely horrendous fish journalism in nearly a year we've 847 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,919 Speaker 1: been doing this. I think this one wins what's up there. 848 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,160 Speaker 1: I think it's completely I don't find the ball biting 849 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,080 Speaker 1: thing to begin with, right, but I get that that's 850 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:29,320 Speaker 1: a that's a lore about these fish. Okay, fine, ball biting. 851 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: But then you add in those other two completely implausible 852 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,000 Speaker 1: elements of a freshwater fish living in saltwater and a 853 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,360 Speaker 1: warm water fish living in frigid water, and then you 854 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,680 Speaker 1: get the poor dude from the Natural History Museum. You 855 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:50,959 Speaker 1: bait him into talking about how testicles fit so nicely 856 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: in their mouths, like that poor guy's career. I'm telling you, 857 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,840 Speaker 1: they threw it and they said it hit fish testicles Sweden, 858 00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:04,319 Speaker 1: and they just went from there. I actually hope that's true, 859 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,560 Speaker 1: because then it's creative. Those were the three elements. Do 860 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: you have another story Todair. Do you put it? Put it? 861 00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 1: I put it all in my round up? Alright, alright, 862 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: so Phil, that's quite a round up to go through. 863 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,280 Speaker 1: If you're feeling morbid today, Miles is the clear winner. 864 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 1: If you're feeling more jokey, I guess I'm your guy. 865 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,160 Speaker 1: But regardless, after we hear from Phil, we're actually gonna 866 00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:28,279 Speaker 1: do a fin clips, which once again brings more testicles 867 00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 1: into this podcast. You guys, supply the testicles, I'll supply 868 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,800 Speaker 1: the dick. So here I am to announce that the 869 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: winner this week is Miles Nulty. I know you guys 870 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,400 Speaker 1: are saying it's impossible that the South American fish was 871 00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: found in Sweden, and I'm inclined to believe you. But 872 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 1: sometimes I go to Burger King and I get in 873 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,640 Speaker 1: order of fries and I find an onion ring in 874 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,799 Speaker 1: those fries. Magic is real, guys. It's all around us, 875 00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,719 Speaker 1: and someday, if you're lucky, you might just find some 876 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,200 Speaker 1: of that magic off the coast of Sweden, with its 877 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:13,759 Speaker 1: fish lips around your scrotum as small mouth baits go 878 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:16,399 Speaker 1: helgra mites get a lot of attention. Matter of fact, 879 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,320 Speaker 1: we did an entire end the line segment about the 880 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: many moons ago, because those big, black, nasty, pinching Dobson 881 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,319 Speaker 1: fly larvae just have this uncanny ability to get eaten 882 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 1: by a small mouth, even in a place where you 883 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,719 Speaker 1: didn't know small mouth existed. Crayfish are good for small mouth, 884 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: and of course you can't really go wrong with a 885 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,080 Speaker 1: live shiner. But there's another bait that's talked about less often. 886 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,960 Speaker 1: In fact, I might call it somewhat hush hush. That's 887 00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: closer in effectiveness to those helgram mites than a shiner 888 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,680 Speaker 1: or a crayfish could ever be. I'm talking about mad 889 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:48,800 Speaker 1: Tom catfish. When you talk about mad tom catfish, or 890 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,799 Speaker 1: stone cats, as they're also called, you're not talking about 891 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 1: one specific fish. These are members of the Ichtluridae family, 892 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: which is the most species rich family of catfish in 893 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,520 Speaker 1: North America. Now, if you're a science geek, you can 894 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,759 Speaker 1: spend all day breaking them down. Just to name a few, 895 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,800 Speaker 1: you've got the mountain mad Tom, slender Matt Tom, Caroline 896 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,800 Speaker 1: and mad Tom, elegant Mad Tom, ozark mad Tom, and 897 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: the brindle mad Tom. The thing is, for the most part, 898 00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,640 Speaker 1: you'd never be able to tell one apart from the 899 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 1: other using what ich theologists call moristic traits like the 900 00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:22,200 Speaker 1: number of fins or scales or morphometrics, which is a 901 00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,000 Speaker 1: fancy way of saying size and shape of the body. Furthermore, 902 00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: because mad tom coloring is often dictated by its environment, 903 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,279 Speaker 1: the freckle belly mad tom you got might actually be 904 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,640 Speaker 1: a brown mad tom or a margin mad tom. Now, 905 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 1: if there's anyone listening, going, what the actual hell is 906 00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,359 Speaker 1: he talking about? I fish, I know catfish, but I've 907 00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,800 Speaker 1: never heard of a mad tom. Well, that's probably because 908 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,000 Speaker 1: you've never accidentally caught one. That would be extremely difficult 909 00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 1: unless you were micro fishing, because mad tom's are super tiny. 910 00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,080 Speaker 1: An absolute slab would measure eight inches, and you're not 911 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,359 Speaker 1: likely to bump into one at your favorite pay lake. 912 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,040 Speaker 1: Mad tom's prefer moving water and can be found in 913 00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 1: everything from mighty rivers to tiny creeks. As long as 914 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,160 Speaker 1: there's a rocky bottom. Mad tom slip under rocks and 915 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 1: slide into tiny crevices where they spend most of their day. 916 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 1: These little fellers are nocturnal, so the best way to 917 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:11,600 Speaker 1: collect some for bait is to have a good old 918 00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,520 Speaker 1: fashioned rock flipping session with a dip net or sane 919 00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,239 Speaker 1: net posted up downstream to catch whatever you kick up. 920 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:20,840 Speaker 1: Fun fact, though, be careful because mad tom's are slippery, slimy, 921 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,799 Speaker 1: and wriggley, and they have spines sharper than a hypodermic 922 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,919 Speaker 1: needle that will inject you with venom. You won't wind 923 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: up in the hospital or anything, but you won't be 924 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,399 Speaker 1: happy for a while. And I know because I've been there, man, 925 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,400 Speaker 1: I've been there. I also once knew of a guy 926 00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:36,120 Speaker 1: that was collecting mad tom's and putting them in a 927 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,319 Speaker 1: zip block bag, which he then put in the front 928 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,759 Speaker 1: pocket of his shorts, which resulted in a mad time 929 00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: spine to the Franks and beans. This may leave you wondering, then, 930 00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 1: if they're all spiny and poisonous and ship, why do 931 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: small mouths pounce on them? And I really don't have 932 00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,279 Speaker 1: an answer to that, but they do. I can't count 933 00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,600 Speaker 1: the number of Smalley's I've caught that either spit up 934 00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:56,840 Speaker 1: a mad tom or had one sticking out of its throat, 935 00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,480 Speaker 1: And over the years I've caught plenty of mad tom'ss 936 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 1: bike match wal Nett and crayfish, but never really enough 937 00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:05,000 Speaker 1: to fill up a bucket. So similarly to helgram mintes. 938 00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: Using one is kind of like a rare treat, also 939 00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,759 Speaker 1: similar to helgra mintes. I can't recall if I've ever 940 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,239 Speaker 1: hung one under a float on a summer day and 941 00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,520 Speaker 1: not how to get child by a bass. You will 942 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,680 Speaker 1: find some Mad Tom imitations available, but to the best 943 00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,319 Speaker 1: of my knowledge, gets its baby blue eyes. Swim Bait 944 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,960 Speaker 1: was the first specific Mad Tim imitator on the market, 945 00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:26,000 Speaker 1: and I know it's pretty hard to find, and I 946 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,880 Speaker 1: also know it had a bit of a cult following, 947 00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: but I've never gotten anything to follow one of mine. 948 00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,680 Speaker 1: Years ago, I snatched up a few packs when I 949 00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,560 Speaker 1: bumped into them randomly and quickly lost all of them 950 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: in the rocks while trying to slow crawl them to 951 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,040 Speaker 1: you know, mimic a Mad Tom. Frankly, I think it's 952 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 1: more fun trying to collect the real ones, and I'm 953 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,760 Speaker 1: a lot more confident that the real ones spines venom 954 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,080 Speaker 1: at all will lead to a big bronze back faster 955 00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 1: than any anatomically correct mini catfish lore. You know, right, 956 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,839 Speaker 1: you know, there's a bunch of streamer dudes out there 957 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,040 Speaker 1: right at this very moment wondering like how am I 958 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,480 Speaker 1: gonna how am I gonna tie Mad Dog Like they're 959 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: googling Mad Dog anatomy and trying to figure out how 960 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: to make it, and they found that. I guaranteed it's 961 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:12,319 Speaker 1: already been done. Like you know those um uh, those 962 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,840 Speaker 1: those sculping heads, the flat fish call. Yeah, it's the 963 00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:21,319 Speaker 1: fish call, but it's the sculping head. Yeah. I've seen 964 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,239 Speaker 1: people tie in rubber legs in front of those to 965 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,879 Speaker 1: create whiskers. But honestly, I don't know, man, I can't 966 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,360 Speaker 1: see that being any more effective than other streamers. Like 967 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: I think mad Tom's are a rare forage. If this 968 00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 1: makes sense, that's just not worth trying to mimic perfectly, 969 00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like fishing a brown tube 970 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,719 Speaker 1: or a yellow cloudser in the rocks is sufficient, there's 971 00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,120 Speaker 1: no need to try and match one so precisely. But 972 00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,520 Speaker 1: if you expose a real one, right, and that fish 973 00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,920 Speaker 1: season smells a libby, that's just it's like it's not 974 00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:51,200 Speaker 1: hold up under a rock. It's just floating around out 975 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,080 Speaker 1: there like free for the taking. It's eight. It's just 976 00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,520 Speaker 1: like how they can't pass up and exposed helgramite. Yeah, 977 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,680 Speaker 1: I can see that. Yeah, Generally, I think anatomically perfect 978 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,600 Speaker 1: bait fishing. Streamers are over overrated because they're moving fast. 979 00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: But I guess we can't help everyone out there figure 980 00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,800 Speaker 1: out how to get more mad tim flies stuck in 981 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 1: smaller faces. But we can, well, I say, we you 982 00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:18,239 Speaker 1: can help with stripers. I don't actually claim to know 983 00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,759 Speaker 1: shit about stripers because I've I've caught like two in 984 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 1: my life. But we opened this episode talking about losing 985 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,400 Speaker 1: giant fish, so it only seems right that we close 986 00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,040 Speaker 1: with a negative wisdom that will help prevent that from happening. Yeah. Yeah, 987 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,880 Speaker 1: So we're gonna finish out with our tackle hacks segment 988 00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: this week, and uh, we're we're bringing back our old pal, 989 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,280 Speaker 1: Bill Wetzel. Bill is a legendary surfishing guide on Long Island. 990 00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:42,839 Speaker 1: He leads people into the rocks and waves at night, 991 00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,760 Speaker 1: which we've both agreed is one of the toughest guide 992 00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 1: gigs on the planet, you know, because you put yourself 993 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,279 Speaker 1: in such precarious positions, right, and Bill understands the importance 994 00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:58,560 Speaker 1: of making sure in those situations you've dotted every eye 995 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,759 Speaker 1: so you don't lose that giant and striper when it 996 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,879 Speaker 1: hits um. So I got to sit down with Bill 997 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,120 Speaker 1: for this tip and look at maybe coming to you 998 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:08,040 Speaker 1: from a a salty Northeast surf dude, but I promise 999 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,720 Speaker 1: it has value wherever you chase Striper's snook, bull reds, 1000 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:17,000 Speaker 1: perhaps even muskies. I'm getting hats from inside the city 1001 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:23,919 Speaker 1: Blight the Blood. So joining us again, Bill Wetzel, surf 1002 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,520 Speaker 1: Guide Extraordinary from from New York, and we've had you 1003 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,319 Speaker 1: on for smooth moves on other shows that were just delightful. 1004 00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: So as much as I just want you to tell 1005 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,080 Speaker 1: us stories about crazy ship that's happened in the surf um, 1006 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,600 Speaker 1: you are also an incredibly knowledgeable angler in this scene. 1007 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,680 Speaker 1: So uh, let's try to tackle hacks man. You know, 1008 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 1: we're just looking for that sort of nugget of wisdom 1009 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,840 Speaker 1: you've picked up or developed or something within in Striper's 1010 00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:50,719 Speaker 1: surf fishing that maybe you think guys don't think about 1011 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 1: enough or or or don't do something to just help 1012 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:56,800 Speaker 1: people catch more fish. So one of the things I 1013 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,080 Speaker 1: tell a lot of people to do is, I mean, 1014 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,960 Speaker 1: what what the catcher release thing? A lot of people 1015 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,719 Speaker 1: are starting to even use single hooks, but I still 1016 00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,600 Speaker 1: use a trouble in the front and the trouble in 1017 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,400 Speaker 1: the back. I feel like I dropped less fish doing that. 1018 00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,440 Speaker 1: With plugs we're talking about, right, Yeah what plugs? Yeah, 1019 00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:14,799 Speaker 1: I just fish plugs. I fish live yield as well, 1020 00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:17,080 Speaker 1: but I don't do any dead sticking anything like that. 1021 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:20,360 Speaker 1: So one of the things I tell people is to 1022 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: crush your barbs in the rear. And immediately when I 1023 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,719 Speaker 1: tell people that, they say, oh, for the blue fish, 1024 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:28,279 Speaker 1: I go now for the stripe pass for the blue 1025 00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:29,880 Speaker 1: fish too. If you get in the bite, it's easier. 1026 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,280 Speaker 1: But what what a bass does. He'll hit the front 1027 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,000 Speaker 1: of the plug, usually right, and then the rear of 1028 00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,840 Speaker 1: the plug will be caught in the side or depending 1029 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 1: on how big the basses, maybe he's like lower lip 1030 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:45,239 Speaker 1: and hopefully that plug that Steve barb will get that 1031 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,200 Speaker 1: initial hook set and then as he's fighting will come out. 1032 00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 1: Now when it does that, he only has the front 1033 00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,239 Speaker 1: hook in his mouth and it helps for him not 1034 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,640 Speaker 1: to get leverage on the plug just and then if 1035 00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:00,880 Speaker 1: they get leverage on your plugs, spit the plug. You 1036 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,319 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Got you? So you're saying, if 1037 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,839 Speaker 1: you only have those front trebles in the fish's mouth 1038 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,880 Speaker 1: and you're pulling against just a very well set front treble. 1039 00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:10,879 Speaker 1: You have a better shot of landing a big fish 1040 00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,560 Speaker 1: than if you're also pulling awkwardly because that rear travel 1041 00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,080 Speaker 1: is in the face somewhere the gills the lower lips 1042 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 1: right because they'll get you know, they'll get lover each 1043 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,760 Speaker 1: on your pluck. And you know that's how you know 1044 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:24,080 Speaker 1: you're straighten out your hooks. I don't care what kind 1045 00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,400 Speaker 1: of hook you have, it they'll straighten it out, especially 1046 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: a big fish. No, they'll straighten out the hook. This 1047 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,439 Speaker 1: is a game for for for for this cult where 1048 00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 1: you put in hours and years and months looking for 1049 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:36,960 Speaker 1: those big fish. So I think it's fair to say 1050 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,080 Speaker 1: that small tips like that make a difference, Like this 1051 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:40,760 Speaker 1: is one where you don't know when you're gonna get 1052 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:44,000 Speaker 1: that big fish shot again. So every duck should be 1053 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,280 Speaker 1: in a row for this fishery. It's the tiny things, man, 1054 00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:50,040 Speaker 1: it's the tiny, tiny things. And some of the tiny 1055 00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:53,080 Speaker 1: people overthink some things, and they spend so much time 1056 00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:56,280 Speaker 1: on overthinking that they're not you know, and they're not fishing, 1057 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. You know, just go out 1058 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,000 Speaker 1: there and fish, man, that's it. You You use plugs, 1059 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: you learn all the plugs out there. Learn, learn when 1060 00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,480 Speaker 1: to use them, when not to use them. Learn how 1061 00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:11,200 Speaker 1: they work. You know, do it in comp situations, rough situations, 1062 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, all kinds of situations. How you got it, 1063 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: How you learn that plug? Learn it and then move 1064 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: on to the next plug. If you're just starting now, 1065 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,800 Speaker 1: you know it's gonna take you a few years. It's 1066 00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,480 Speaker 1: not freaking Internet overnight ship, you know what I mean. 1067 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,160 Speaker 1: So that's it for this week. To recap all the 1068 00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,440 Speaker 1: trophies that didn't get away, Miles landed himself a visit 1069 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:37,000 Speaker 1: to the doctor to get his hearing check. We filled 1070 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,080 Speaker 1: a cooler with a killer bait that might sting you 1071 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,280 Speaker 1: in your naughty bits, beached facts about one trouble hook 1072 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 1: being better than two, and hung replica amounts of our 1073 00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,720 Speaker 1: shame and suffering up for the Internet to enjoy. That 1074 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,080 Speaker 1: We did that we did enjoy. Uh. Speaking of which, 1075 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,360 Speaker 1: if you've got a shameful or awkward fishing photo that 1076 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,760 Speaker 1: you're willing to own up to, send it to Bent 1077 00:58:57,840 --> 00:58:59,640 Speaker 1: at the media dot com so we can ridicule you 1078 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 1: bluckly we can all use together. We're also always accepting 1079 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:07,000 Speaker 1: bar nominations, sale bin items, questions, concerns, hot tips, and 1080 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,120 Speaker 1: cold ridicule. If you send us any of those and 1081 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:11,840 Speaker 1: we use them on the show, you get a sticker pack. 1082 00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:14,240 Speaker 1: Of course, you can also score that by using those 1083 00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:17,800 Speaker 1: degenerate Angler and Bent Podcasts hashtags on Instagram. If we 1084 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:22,280 Speaker 1: repost something with those tags, that that you've posted your stickered. 1085 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 1: And if you happen to post a picture of a 1086 00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,280 Speaker 1: slob fish you caught with a guide, tag him or 1087 00:59:28,360 --> 01:00:00,200 Speaker 1: her too, because you're obviously a good listener. M six 1088 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:00,320 Speaker 1: s