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Speaker 1: Hey, everybuddy, welcome episode number forty five The Honey Collective.

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Speaker 1: I'm better Brian, and today we are joined by two

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Speaker 1: of my favorites to meat Eater originals. I'm talking about

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Speaker 1: Steve and Ronella and Ryan Callahan and we're into Noora,

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Speaker 1: Mexico for this podcast. We're hanging out after a good dinner,

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Speaker 1: a few drinks. Of course, Steve other drinks. He didn't

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Speaker 1: have any, but I had a few. Cal had a few.

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Speaker 1: He did a couple of push ups, cranked out a

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Speaker 1: pretty interesting podcast. Of course, like any late night podcast

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Speaker 1: might go, this one didn't really have script. We just

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Speaker 1: let it rip. Well. We had a lot to talk about,

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Speaker 1: first beers, first guns, first cars, and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other stuff, our love of Jim Harrison and like I said,

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Speaker 1: other stuff which makes this one fun. We didn't take

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Speaker 1: her too seriously and I always enjoy talking to and

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Speaker 1: recording with Ryan Callahan and Stephen Roanella. For episode number

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Speaker 1: forty five, check it out, here comes Ryan Callahan. How

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Speaker 1: many push ups is that? Bud? Two hundred for the

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Speaker 1: day for the day, the two club, the two Hundo Club.

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Speaker 1: You feel like that's a bit excessive, are you excited

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Speaker 1: about that. No, because I U was like, I should

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Speaker 1: try to be healthy. Um, eating five to six pounds

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Speaker 1: of free holidays a day down here, and I kind

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Speaker 1: So I was like, well, I'm gonna do two hundred

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Speaker 1: push ups today? How many push ups per backup? You're

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Speaker 1: trying to lose weight? No, just stay healthy. Oh what's

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Speaker 1: that to do with drinking beer? Oh? Just just extra

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Speaker 1: calories for nothing, for the lake and the taste of beer.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah. I mean, I'm just trying to be somewhat healthy.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I'm living life on the road long

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Speaker 1: and listen, I'm all four doing pushups. Man, I just

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Speaker 1: didn't understand the beer part. Is there a push ups

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Speaker 1: per beer you feel like you have to do to offset? Well,

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Speaker 1: now I'm at a hundred push ups per beer today.

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Speaker 1: Now that that's a healthy man? Is like, if my

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Speaker 1: Boddy Ron you did that, you're like one thousand, one

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Speaker 1: hundred and I don't have heard any counting. That's ad number.

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Speaker 1: Miller Light would write him and say, whatever you're doing,

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Speaker 1: please stop. He would have giant arms. You know, I

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Speaker 1: used to have a girlfriend um bless her heart, and

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Speaker 1: her grandmother had drank the same kind of beer whole life.

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Speaker 1: I think she drank old Mud, Old Milwaukee. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: might have been Old Milwaukee. It was one of the

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Speaker 1: swill beers, which I have a theory that they make

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Speaker 1: it all on the same plant. I just like it

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Speaker 1: all they make it and they switched the labels out

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Speaker 1: throughout the day. Do you have any anything to back

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Speaker 1: that up? Is that just just haven't drank at all?

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Speaker 1: Like when we're in high school, you know, you kept

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Speaker 1: like you know those bottles what you call those the

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Speaker 1: big glass bottles. Well, I was like thirty two ounces

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Speaker 1: her like a big care package with a custom sign

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Speaker 1: was bartender in Missoula, Montana, reds Bar, Um, my buddy,

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Speaker 1: what's the first beer you ever remember drinking? Man? You know,

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Speaker 1: white Elephant Sale is? Yes, So my old man he

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Speaker 1: helped volunteer at a white at a white elephant sale

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Speaker 1: everybody drank uh, mountain dew for pop. Do you say pop?

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Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of drugs, Like, there wasn't a

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Speaker 1: People drank alcohol. Now I got kids, like now, my

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Speaker 1: I like the subject? When I was growing up, I

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Speaker 1: because they go to wood shop. We go to wood

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Speaker 1: guys in my world, they would huff the duster you

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Speaker 1: a couple of real quick one. Jim Harrison chanchan yeah um,

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Speaker 1: and then later in life Livingston Montana dude. But Harrison

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Speaker 1: times would have caught up with them. Oh like the

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Speaker 1: women stuff, the women's stuff, and please elaborate on the

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Speaker 1: Just like the you can know go ahead, kil I

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Speaker 1: will later, but please do I mean, I will circle

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Speaker 1: back to it. I got Buddy Mine gave me this

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Speaker 1: is exactly to your point. And Buddy Mine gave me

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Speaker 1: UM the book a really big lunch, like his collected

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Speaker 1: of my senior year of high school. Really, yeah, you

424
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 1: feel like you were a good kid. He was Irish

425
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: and he knew he had the curse man, the Great Curse.

426
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: So yeah, there was a lot of a lot of

427
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: familial lessons there, Yeah for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I had

428
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 1: I had a uncle dive liver strosses itself to death. Yeah,

429
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: so we had that floating around my my family, but

430
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 1: it was never and it I mean it was when

431
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: I was in my formative years that happened. But I

432
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: feel like my parents, like, if you're gonna do it,

433
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: just do it here much rather you do it here,

434
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be running around doing some crazy ship somewhere

435
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 1: as else. So we just did it a lot there.

436
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: That's a good idea, really, because it's not the Yeah,

437
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: it's not the drink and it's the trouble. It's what

438
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: comes with the drinking. So if your kid wants to

439
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: stay on the couch, you could watch him drink and

440
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: get all it's then you're fine. Well, you don't want

441
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: is driving around fornicating. Al right, first car, first car,

442
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: let's do that. I like this, like this track round um.

443
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: The first car was a ninth teen eighty two short box,

444
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: two wheel drive blue Chevy pick up three on the tree,

445
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: three six cylinder real ship truck. Oh like Chevy love no, no, no,

446
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 1: no no, it's like a half ton of Chevy. And

447
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: I bought it for I think four hundred bucks, six

448
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: hundred bucks. Where did you get that? Six hundred bucks?

449
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: As you raise it, we always had jobs, man. I

450
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: started work when I was thirteen. I washed dishes out

451
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: of summer camp for the damn campers roller and I

452
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: was mixing kool aid with a canoe paddle and a

453
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: garbage can scraping plates for hog slop. Yeah, start working

454
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: and then uh I bought that. Then then driving down

455
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: the road talking about drinking beer, driving down a two

456
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,719
Speaker 1: track mana stee Nashville forest hauling, asked on a logging

457
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: road and my buddies in the back, and then trying

458
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: to hand a beer out to him out with a

459
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: little sliding window, and I got distracted by trying to

460
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: get the one thing unlatched bam into an oak tree. Oh,

461
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: total it out. This dude named Matt Jones, who I

462
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: voted for most likely to succeed, buys it from me

463
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: for a hundred bucks. It's like two days later, some

464
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: bitch drove it to school. He like fixed it himself,

465
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: And my god, how was I pissed about? Because this

466
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: guy's a mechanical. These dudes, like these dudes back then

467
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: him and these other guys, they would like take they

468
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: would tear a truck down and put all the bolts

469
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: in a five gallon bucket. I mean everything from like

470
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: the sheet metal panels, everything just into a five gallon

471
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: buckets and then they would rebuild cars all the time

472
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: and just pull dump the bucket out and not like unique,

473
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: not like taking picture's labeling. It just be like everything

474
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: to go into springs and ship. And the five got

475
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: a bucket. Then they dump it on Jim. They dump

476
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: it out and just put it back together again. As

477
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: long as it's a mechanical geniuses. Man. So this guy,

478
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: like I thought this truck was totaled, and he very

479
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: quickly has it up and run and so you had

480
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: to watch him driving. And then I went out and

481
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: bought another. I didn't get a four wild drive to

482
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: my third pick up ship cal first all Cheves, all Chefs,

483
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three Chevy celebrity sedan. It's a Google what

484
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: he told me before. It's fu It is bench bench

485
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: seats front and back, all brown interior, all brown exterior.

486
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: And it had one of those uh uh uh spedometers

487
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: that went like literally from the left hand side of

488
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: the dash all the way to the right hand side

489
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: of the dash. You know, it took it a while

490
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: to get across the younger generation that that would be

491
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: like a stick that moves like a like a forgot

492
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: about that um and it kind of looked like a

493
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: clock to they laid it out, Yes, and it was

494
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: turned out to be just a phenomenal vehicle. And the

495
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: trunk was like you could put twelve or so people

496
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: in there, and uh, it was a really hilarious car

497
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: to drive around. Uh, because it was it was actually

498
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: front wheel drive, and um, it took a while for

499
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: the front of the vehicle to catch up to the

500
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: steering wheel when you'd make a turn, you know, and

501
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: being a kid, like, you're just not worried about anything,

502
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: and as long as you had some speed up, you

503
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: could drive that thing through all sorts of conditions, right,

504
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: and you just you really you kind of felt like

505
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: you were just kind of toboggining the vehicle around, and

506
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 1: it was it was pretty funny. But to answer your question,

507
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: I got it, uh because my dad decided to take

508
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: it as a partial payment for some legal work he did,

509
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: so that one I did not actually pay for. And uh,

510
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: oh you mean your old man did some legal work

511
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: for someone else. Yeah, I thought I meant for you,

512
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: And then I consequently had to pay for um this

513
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: series of things that just like kept going wrong with it.

514
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: One time I was driving back home and had a

515
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: buddy of mine, right, and shotgun and the vehicle conked

516
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: out on me. Again. He's like, man, I bet you're

517
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: out of gas. I'm like, dude, I'm not out of gas.

518
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: And I'm poking around and there can't get it figured out,

519
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: have to get somebody else. Told me to a shop

520
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: and then they're like, yeah, man, you need a new

521
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: fuel pump. And my buddy chimes in, He's like, I

522
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: told you it was something to do with the fuel.

523
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: Then first vefo man uh nine Summit Eagle car van

524
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: periwinkle blue. I looked up to the picture of this

525
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: also Google image. This vehicle. What's it called again, the

526
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: Summit Eagle. I called it, we have I believe called it.

527
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: We called it the car van because it looks like

528
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: a car and a van had sex. And this came

529
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: out as the baby and it is as it is

530
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 1: a lot of utility in the in the in the

531
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: Summit Eagle car van. You saw what I mean, what

532
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: did you feel like the ladies might enjoy that? I

533
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: feel like it's a specialty maintenance vehicle for some sort

534
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: of like vacuum sales, fleete. It had like a real

535
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: boxy exterior kind of had like a sedan maybe like

536
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: a chevy celebrity front end almost in a van back end.

537
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: Picture a stubby hearse. Yeah. I used to take the

538
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: seats out to get a lot of action going on

539
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: back there. Well you know, sometimes ladies, other times just equipment.

540
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 1: Put equipment back there. I lied because my I messed up.

541
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: My first truck was eighty two. Then I had to

542
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: go back after then I then I went eighty two,

543
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: seventy n all chefs, No nine afford. Let me I

544
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: got another. I think and tell you guys, tell me

545
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: if you think this is weird to do or not.

546
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: When I was coming up hunting, when I was like sixteen, well,

547
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: each you a buck, and bucks were they weren't rare.

548
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: We shoot a buck every year, but be a spike

549
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: or a forky or something like that. We would in

550
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,439
Speaker 1: effort to use all of the animal, cut the nutsack off,

551
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: cut the ball, sack off, dump, dump out the contents,

552
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: remove the contents, and then stretch the sack over a

553
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: coke can. And at this time I was for poker.

554
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: Money could be to make a money bag. Well at

555
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: that time I was shooting patching roundball, So I put

556
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: my round balls in the in the ball, leave the

557
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: hair on. Leave the hair on, so you got basically

558
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: got a tan. You know eventually as time when a

559
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: little draw string on their string on there. Yeah, so

560
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: you I'd feel real good. I get my patches out

561
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 1: and get my ball sack out of my sall like.

562
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: So I didn't do that. I carried this on till

563
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: when I got the car van. So you can fit

564
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: a beer can, you can fit you fit a white

565
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: tails ball sack over a beer can. No, kid, Yeah

566
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: you should try it. He let it drive for a while,

567
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: drive and be like a little cup and you do

568
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: whatever you want. I can't leave. I haven't done this.

569
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: So when I got the car van, I realized that

570
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: these were kind of like they kind of look like

571
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: fuzzy dice. And so then I took the two sacks.

572
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: I tied them together like fuzzy dice, and I put

573
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: them on the rear view mirror of the car van.

574
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: And when ladies would get in the car van or anyone,

575
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: I say, they'd say, what's that. I'd say that those

576
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: are fuzzy dice, and I'd say, just tickle them, tickle them,

577
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: tickle the underside of them, just tickle them, and um,

578
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 1: I would laugh I would laugh. Eventually they started to

579
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: shed enough where my my car van was full of

580
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: ballsack hair and it just got to be too much

581
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: that could I had to remove him. But for a time,

582
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: for a time it was a big deal, and I

583
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: would One time I did paint the inside of one

584
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: green because our school colors South Akerstound High School were

585
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: green and white, and the exterior of a ball sack

586
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 1: is white. So if you paint the interior green, you've

587
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: got school color ball sack. Fuzzy dice, Good deal, Ben,

588
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: that's impressive that that doesn't strike me as um doesn't

589
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: strike me as weird. No, I could see, I could play.

590
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: I could see having done that you have you would

591
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: have done. I had no idea about it, but I

592
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: could see them because we did a lot of stuff,

593
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: like a lot of things like that, lots of the

594
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: animal parts. Yeah, give us some examples so I feel

595
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more normal. Oh you know, like guys,

596
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: would you know you'd save your squirrel tails and do

597
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 1: stuff with them, um, grouse feet, You just kind of

598
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: hang them on stuff. Remember getting in trouble for having

599
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: stuff like that hanging in my locker because they do

600
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: locker inspectrum. Remember getting called down to the junior high

601
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: getting called down to the principal's office to account for

602
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 1: why why I had bird feet hanging to my locker.

603
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: They thought it was like some devil worship or stuff

604
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: or something. You know, I don't know what they thought.

605
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: And you're like, I just want to try to use

606
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 1: use them. Yeah, we like stretched chipmunk skins out and

607
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: dry chipmunk skins. They'd be like a little playing cards. Yeah,

608
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: that's like a lot of stuff with animal parts, man,

609
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: or like savings stuff like David stuff off stuff like

610
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: my dad a butcher snapper turtle. You want to dry

611
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 1: the head out and and have the head to whatever

612
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 1: carry around with. I don't know, my man. My kids

613
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: are the same way. They want wings and feet and

614
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: like heads off stuff. They it just speaks to them.

615
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: They like, I think they see it like it's kind

616
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: of beautiful. And then they recognize from hanging out with

617
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: me and their uncles and all the guys are exposed

618
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: to that people put a high value on these things,

619
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: and so they feed off that, like they understand that

620
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: these are valuable things. And like in my garage, I

621
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: have pull you know, you gotta pull the rings to

622
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 1: get the shop lights on, and one of the strings

623
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: you get the pull, it's it's a mackerel's jaw, one

624
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: of the ones you gotta pull. It's a bunch of

625
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: turkey spurs on a rope. So they just see this

626
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: stuff around and they wind up liking it. It's like

627
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: little talisman's, you know, like I encourage it. I see

628
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: how people could look and think it's gross or something,

629
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think that. I think it's like a

630
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a it's a way in which it's respectful,

631
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: not disrespectful. Yeah. Well to me, yeah, I look back

632
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: on that on the ball sacks there, and I'm like,

633
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: some people might think that's weird, But when I look

634
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: back at that, it's the time I was. Me and

635
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: my dad. All we thought about was deer. That's all

636
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,680
Speaker 1: we did. But my dad would take the deer legs,

637
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: the deer hoofs and turn them, pack him and pack

638
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: him and salt or borax or something, and then he

639
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: then he'd run to he put him on a board

640
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: and drill in through the wood into the bone of

641
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: the deer foot, and then you have that's where you

642
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: paying your guns. And bows. Was these dear feet sticking

643
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: out an upward angle just animal parts, man, they're all

644
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: But I remember so like just you saying that, like

645
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: the locker inspection thing, I had lots of stuff, um

646
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: where be like why would you ever do this? And

647
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: prior to some adult, you know, from outside of my

648
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: circle asking me that, I had what seemed to me

649
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: a perfectly good explanation like well, why wouldn't you keep this?

650
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: But then it would be like, oh my God, like

651
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: I know, I don't have an answer that's going to

652
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: satisfy this person. I'm gonna tell about your the way

653
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: you're approaching this, you're not gonna like my answer. Am

654
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: I very much value this dear's dick? So I have

655
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: stretched out on this piece. Yeah, we used to There's

656
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: a fur trapper that was real fur trapper and taxermost

657
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: of a lot of text misused fur trappers named Bob Ferris,

658
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: who's always real helpful to us when we were young,

659
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: and we'd sell them a little bit of fur. But

660
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: he had a vaculum collection. You wouldn't believe it. Tell

661
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: it's a pecker bone like people used to use. Uh,

662
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: people used to use whale vaculums and walrus baculums as

663
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: canes and sticks and stuff and drink stirs like I

664
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: have vaculum like blackberries have. It's funny as a big,

665
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: big bore raccoon has a vaculum just about as long

666
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: as a black bear's baculum. Badgers they got a big back,

667
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: and they got a big So you know, you make

668
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: little swizzle sticks, little drink stirs. I keep in my

669
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: medicine box. So I'll take them, and there's an end

670
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: on there and I'll and I'll take white out and

671
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: let's put a little spot of white out and I

672
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 1: let it dry, and then I take a fine pen

673
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: and I write like a date or location, and I

674
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: let that dry, and then I put lacquer on it

675
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: and let that dry and throught my medicine box. Yeah,

676
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean I think those uh, when I was guiding

677
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: a lot of black bears. Um, you know that um

678
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: the baculum. It used to be like everybody would get

679
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: the vacuum the penis bone off their bear. Um. And

680
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,240
Speaker 1: then that kind of went out of fashion, I guess.

681
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: And um, all the old cadres I hang around with.

682
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: UM is where I picked it up from him. So

683
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: when I started guiding a lot of black bears, um,

684
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: I'd always be like, hey, do you want your people

685
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: would be like, no, well should I yeah, And so

686
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: I boil it out and uh and give it to

687
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: him and I'm like, well, yeah, I mean this is

688
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 1: the only like portable part of your black bear, you know,

689
00:42:56,120 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: like that's a good enough reason to hack it around.

690
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, you could if you wanted to, you could

691
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 1: cut it in half and put it on your key

692
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: chain or something. But why why do you think that?

693
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: Is that there's certain animals that have certain little totems,

694
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: right elk Ivers, I was just think about Okay, every

695
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: turkey turkey spurs kind of falling in the old days. Uh,

696
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have any personal familiarity with this,

697
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: but I understand that it's true. Is the old days

698
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: when you caught a big tarp and you pluck a scale. Yeah.

699
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: I have turkey feet in just a laundry list of

700
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: rental houses and crash pads from my younger years because

701
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: that was one of those things, like it always turkey feet,

702
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: these things are so cool dinosaurs and then throw them

703
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: on the dashboard of my truck and then I'd like

704
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,920
Speaker 1: stuff them, you know, like on a window sill or

705
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: in a garage, like on the wall or something. Every

706
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: time I clear a freezer at if I'm moving or

707
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: something off find like a turkey wing or something, and

708
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: I know that I sometimes I'll write it on there,

709
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 1: like for wingbone call or whatever, And a lot of

710
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: times I never get to it. But I have the

711
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: intention of doing those types of things. The only thing

712
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: I do with turkeys, the only thing I keep off

713
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: from now. As I take the spur and and take

714
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: a hack saw and cut above and below the spur,

715
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 1: you get a little loop, and then you got that,

716
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: and then the marrow pushed the marrow out of there,

717
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: and so you got a hollow birds of hollow bones,

718
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: they have a hollow bone and it's a spur loop

719
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: and you throw it on a rope and I don't care.

720
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: I'll me turkeys you kill, you're not gonna wind up

721
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: too many of those. They're pretty compact. Did you ever

722
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: wear that as a necklace? You know, I haven't. My

723
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 1: kids like to do it. And then I had, uh,

724
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: I killed a turkey one time. I had a real nice,

725
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 1: real uh. It's kind of like beautiful spurs, and I

726
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: had them. I took him to a jeweler, the same

727
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: jeweler where I bought my wife's uh engagement and wedding

728
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: rings from. Took him to a jeweler and had the

729
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: jeweler set those spurs in the kind of setting picture

730
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: like a person that wears like a crystal like a

731
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: like a hippie kind of crystal. You know, that little

732
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: metal the little metal top, a little metal cup that

733
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: kind of clasps the crystal rod. I had the turkey

734
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 1: spurs set in that. But the crystal folk would be

735
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: like a eagle talent holding the crystal, right, Yeah, I'm

736
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: thinking of a different kind of crystal folk. It's like

737
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: a little metal cup. It's like yeah, it's like just

738
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 1: a attached that that pinches. So I had the spurs

739
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: set in those. And my wife wears him now and then,

740
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: and I really like it. Now. I encourage her to

741
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: wear them, and um, she'll generally wear them two places

742
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: where people might be like, hey, that's cool, and not

743
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 1: like what the hell is that? Right? Well, yeah, I

744
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: mean you Steve, you talked a lot about your love

745
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: for you know, pioneers and Davy Crockett and all those boys.

746
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: You like some of that's rubbed off on you. Yeah,

747
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: you want to have that connection. Yeah people, Uh adorned.

748
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: It's all the stuff like you can look at wardrobes,

749
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: costumes from the plains, tribes everyone A man. I mean

750
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: it's just like decorate your I don't wear jewelry, right,

751
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: but but I like that stuff because like you decorate

752
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: your home and decorate your body with animal parts. Man.

753
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: To me, like I could see the people would look

754
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: and think it's creepy or something, But to me, it's just,

755
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: like I said, it just to me, it's um just

756
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: to have that stuff around. Uh, it feels good. It's

757
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: just one of the many super complex things that we

758
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, and I like my kids to be

759
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 1: exposed to it. A friend of mine was telling me,

760
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 1: relating to me as trials and tribulations circling around perch

761
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:08,919
Speaker 1: sing a engagement wedding ring scenario for for his gal

762
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: and uh talk about ship that I just had had

763
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: no clue existed. And uh a person like apparently like

764
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: there's a thing out there that exists where you it

765
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: is expected that you put aside like X percentage of

766
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: your pay is supposed to be. Well, what like what

767
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: you spend on a wedding ring. There's I can't remember

768
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: what's the percent or something. I can't remember for how

769
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: much period of time, just whatever your annual salary is,

770
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: like a percentage of your salary, like you're tithing to

771
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,919
Speaker 1: the church, but it's a but it's for a wedding ring. Yeah,

772
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 1: so that's the expectation that you'll spend this much money

773
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 1: on the ring based on how much you make. Yeah.

774
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's right at all. No, I think

775
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: it's majorly screwed up. But I don't believe that anybody

776
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: actually pays attention to that. Dude, I don't there's some

777
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 1: pretty traditional folks. I've never heard anybody saying, hey, check

778
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: this out. You know it's eight thousand dollar ring. That's

779
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: also to find something like unique in things. And I'm like, man,

780
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 1: I just don't have the mental capacity for I mean,

781
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: some guys supposed to be like, kay, I make fifty

782
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: grand year, I need to. So let's say it's like, yeah, yep,

783
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what the numbers are. Somebody can tell

784
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: us what they are. But people do something ask well, uh,

785
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, Daniel Boone or Davy Crockett like his appealing,

786
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 1: his opinion on what's ridiculous, like the in Vogue fashion. Yeah,

787
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 1: but those guys had long braided hair ya, meaning they

788
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: had long braided hair. They had more plated the long

789
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: long plated hair like Steve might be chatting me about

790
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: your hair situation. No, I'm just saying they might look

791
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: at stuff we do and think it's squirrelly, but you

792
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: look at them like, dude, why don't you just cut

793
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: your hair? Why don't you just have a butch? Why

794
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: do you have long why do you have long plaited hair?

795
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be just to have a butch? O? Just especially man,

796
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: the upkeep exactly would oil. It was barre oil man.

797
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: They had like things they would they were like And

798
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm not like, I'm not a Davy Crockett guy at all.

799
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: And I know maybe you know, I know those guys

800
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: get lumped together, but it's just very different people, different times,

801
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: different people. Crockett's interesting, Yeah, yeah, he's interesting, interested dude,

802
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: but he's no danger Boon. But um, yes, let me rewind.

803
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: I meant to say Daniel fucking Boone, not Davy Crockett.

804
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: So you know why I said you know that's your song.

805
00:49:54,080 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: Your song got me Janie the love. Uh oh. Anyways,

806
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: Like maybe I'm taking your point, but I feel like

807
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: you were going to say that, like Boon would be

808
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 1: like what has gotten into these people? Yes? Absolutely, of

809
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 1: course he would. But they did strange stuff too, they

810
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:21,279
Speaker 1: did they did what was the the I just had

811
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: what was the character? And um Jeremiah Johnson who had

812
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: the shaved head? So and then he reverts there at

813
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: the end or do I have that he kept his

814
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: hair shaved because it's because no one would wanna people

815
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to scalp him. Yeah, but then later he

816
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 1: grows his hair out. You okay, next one? Okay, transition,

817
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:55,359
Speaker 1: first rifle. I like the way we're going. Yeah, well

818
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: it's complicated. First one that I owned out right, I

819
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: want to say the first one and you owned out right.

820
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 1: It's probably your first rifle. The first rifle I owned

821
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: out right. My old man, one of my mentors as

822
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: a child, was made by the name of Eugene grots

823
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 1: and my brother Danny uh very graciously named his own

824
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: son Eugene. Um. Eugene Grotors was it was the avid outdoorsman,

825
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: and he believed in having a gun for every year

826
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 1: he'd been alive on earth. And he got to be

827
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: quite old, and he kept all these guns in a

828
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: rack in the ceiling. At some point in time he

829
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: realized that he had more. He was like, whatever the

830
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: hell he was. He realized there's seventy nine of him

831
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: up there, and pulled down and gave to me a

832
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: Model nine four lever action two trapper trapper. And you know,

833
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: I saw I stupidly sold that to uh. I stupidly

834
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: sold that to a guy that sold wood stoves and

835
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: use guns. Um. So Eugene Groders pulled this gun down

836
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: and gave it to me. And I had a peep

837
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 1: site and I had to reduce or you could screw

838
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: into the peep site. And and I shot first bunch

839
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: of year. I shot a shot with that lever action,

840
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: shooting a peep site. And then I got all onto

841
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: the bolt action bad wagon. And and then like everybody,

842
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: you know you wanted the thirty out six bolt action, um,

843
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: if you were from where I was from, and and

844
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: and and yeah, I went down and sold that thing

845
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 1: for three hundred bucks. Man I got I just know

846
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: I got screwed. Wow, you got a lot of like

847
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: that shocks me about you. I don't I don't see

848
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: as that type of gay or the trading up I

849
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 1: was always selling. I was always selling guns man, because

850
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 1: it was like you were selling it just to get

851
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: money to get a different one. Like I remember wanting

852
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: to like wanted a twenty two mag real bad and

853
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: had to sell some of myself to get twenty too mag.

854
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,800
Speaker 1: And I wanted a savage trapper like what c or whatever,

855
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: uh twenty gauge like twenty too long, twenty gauge thing

856
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: and needing to sell whatever I had to go get that.

857
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: Um all just like really low end things. But that

858
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 1: gun I really should have hung out of that thing,

859
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: that lever action rifle, you know, Eugene grotors. And the

860
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 1: thing too is he gave he gave it to me.

861
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: Then it was just a really bad thing to do

862
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: to sell it and to be like to to prove

863
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: your proficiency. I'm every march out across the yard or

864
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: my dad, and they set a full gallon juggle water

865
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: out whatever sixty five yards. If you hit that juggawatire

866
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: right on, you can poke hole and train it. If

867
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: you could hit the ghetto gallon milk juggle waters like,

868
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: let's go, you can do it. Love it. Well, you

869
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: got rue twenty two man, Yeah, yeah, oh I didn't know.

870
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:03,919
Speaker 1: We're well yeah, I mean what we can go back.

871
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: We can go back because we come back the I

872
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: got a hunt with a series of rifles long prior

873
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: to ever actually own anyone. How old were you when

874
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: you owned it? Well, I had the Rugy ten twenty two,

875
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 1: like you know, twelve or something like that. Yeah, that

876
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: might not count, like I like where Steve's going with it,

877
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean I didn't own my own deer

878
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: rifle until sophomore year in high school. Just shot family guns. Yeah,

879
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: something like. That's just kind of how everybody, like I

880
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: don't know the brothers like actually had one people would

881
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: have when we were real big on Two is those

882
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: look through over under scope mountains where you could have

883
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 1: your iron sides, iron your iron sides for deer drive,

884
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 1: you know, shooting buckshot or we need an iron sight.

885
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,839
Speaker 1: It's not buckshot, but you alla believe, like we alla

886
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: to believe that they're like brush guns, you know, so

887
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: you had your iron sights and over there made out

888
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: of like plastic, then you can still have like scope

889
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 1: all at the top of what a terrible setup. Funny,

890
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: And I remember the first guy I really like hunted

891
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: with that had like an actual you know, like a bull.

892
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 1: He had a saco some you know relative He comes

893
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: out with like a sako with a Nikon scope on it,

894
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: and just being like it's like a work of art.

895
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: Just be like holy smokes, you know, and like these

896
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: guns that could like shoot groups and stuff. You know.

897
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: I remember thinking like just being blown away by that.

898
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: He can hit he can hit the milk jug three times. Yeah,

899
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: if a deer was all the way across the field,

900
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: you can still shoot at You didn't need to be

901
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: like dah, I got it. I started hunting with I

902
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:54,760
Speaker 1: didn't own this, but I started hunting with a hawking

903
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: fifty cow. That's that goes back to my patching roundball situation.

904
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: But then upgraded quickly to uh, what was my first

905
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 1: rifle Savage one ten to forty three bold action, one

906
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: of them fancy fancy you guys were shooting two forty

907
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: three deer. Yep, I don't know that was prescribed. I

908
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: was twelve thirteen at the time for somewhere in there,

909
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: and it wasn't very big fella, and so I think

910
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: that was it was the caliber choice was more about

911
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: the recoil than it was wing else. But it was

912
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: quickly went to thirty at six. I think thirty at

913
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: six was was what anybody was shooting in the woods

914
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: deer hunting by storm. Yeah, everybody like that had to

915
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: shoot some old gun. Had a thirty thirty and anyone

916
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: that bought a new one was buy a thirty ots.

917
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:47,399
Speaker 1: I remember vividly like I wanted a thirty thirty really bad,

918
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: and I had like this kind of brush gun thought

919
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 1: because I was gonna go hunt where nobody else was

920
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: hunting anyway, you know, which is like get getting there

921
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: amongst them in the timber um. And uh, I used

922
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: to just torment freaking gun buyers or you know, the

923
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: the gun counter people at a couple of shops in Missoula,

924
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: And uh, I have no clue what I was doing,

925
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: because it's not like I had any money, right, But

926
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: I'd be like yeah, and I just have this vivid

927
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: conversation or vivid memory of this conversation in my head

928
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: about going in and talking to this guy and be like, well,

929
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: this is what I mean. You know the you know

930
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: those big Aspen patches on like the outside of a

931
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: Showdow or Augusta, like you know, I like to, you know,

932
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 1: get in there and hunt, hunt the deer in their

933
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: beds and stuff. And I just knew he was like

934
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: gonna be like, yeah, man, thirty thirty, because that's what

935
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: I wanted, right, was a third lever action thirty thirty.

936
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: And I think specifically because like Jimmy Stewart and you

937
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: know the Western win Chester seventy three and uh and

938
00:57:57,480 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: or win Chester seventy win Chester seventy three. Right, here's

939
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: seventy six model the one I have. I feel like

940
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: I could be messed up. I think it's Model and

941
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,959
Speaker 1: the D and he goes to like the consignment side

942
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:20,479
Speaker 1: of things, and here's like like big pronounced iron Sights six,

943
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: which now sitting where I am now, I'm like, yes,

944
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: that is a much more appropriate gun than than what

945
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 1: I was after. But I was just like crushed. I'm

946
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: like this guy to know what he's talking about. What

947
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 1: I want. I want you to exactly exactly. Yeah, so funny,

948
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: I think we ought to, uh we gotta this first

949
00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,959
Speaker 1: thing can be can be tiresome, but we should probably

950
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: say first, let's let's end the first thing with the

951
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: first thing you killed. No, I have no idea. Chipmunks

952
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: probably first first, Okay, man, I'm like real squirrels, So yeah,

953
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 1: it would have been like yeah, I'm sure like chipmunks

954
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: were just litoks. We just hunt with bb guns. You know,

955
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: we'd go out and hunt chipmunks, because chipmunks were regarded

956
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: in my area, at least, they were regarded as very destructive. Um,

957
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 1: and you could even like like the neighbors would pay

958
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: out money on them. Lots of people pay out money

959
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: on chipmunks, But we just hunt them in the woods too,

960
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: you know, but like it would be better case you'd

961
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: have a deal where you get a couple of bucks

962
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,560
Speaker 1: a piece from someone to get chipmunks out of their

963
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: garden or whatever. And then, um, we had a lot

964
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: of squirrels, so we hunted squirrels and then and then um,

965
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 1: and then a lot of trapping for fur bears and

966
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: then from squirrels and rabbits and grouse. I mean it's

967
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:48,720
Speaker 1: pretty much you know, then up to deer. Yeah, but

968
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: then I had I would you know, I killed my

969
00:59:51,840 --> 01:00:00,040
Speaker 1: first do you when I was thirteen? And then I

970
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 1: wouldn't I didn't kill another kind of big game animal

971
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: for a decade after that, really just hunted deer. We

972
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: just lived in Michigan hunted deer. Yeah, that's what That's

973
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: the thing about our industry and what we talked about. Man,

974
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: that's what most people do. That's what I did. I

975
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: didn't travel off the East coast to hunt until I

976
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 1: was in the industry. It would have been laughable that

977
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: when I was a kid that we would have gone

978
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: out like this is no way in the world. So

979
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: we were gonna go out and hunt, like go out,

980
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: drive out west to go hunt, which just wasn't gonna

981
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 1: happen my old man. When I remember my old man

982
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: going out on a archery LK hunt, you know, but

983
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: we're little, but no, it's just we hunted deer. And

984
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 1: then then my brothers they went up to moved up

985
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 1: to the Upper Peninsula and H very quickly drew black

986
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: bear tags up there and got a little bait station

987
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: going and H killed some bears. And then that was

988
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: then we were kind of off off off and running

989
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 1: on on crazy big game hunting. Yeah. Uh, man, I

990
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: was just like the absolute King and the red writer

991
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: bb gun and I had two that I broke, like

992
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: shot out, broke and repaired myself, which was looking back

993
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: on it was like somehow totally acceptable for me to

994
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: be like gun smith and bb guns. Um. And uh

995
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 1: so I had a lot of customization my my red riders.

996
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: But I shot, I mean decimated small mammal populations and um,

997
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:36,880
Speaker 1: my uncle ran a feed lot and you could go

998
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: into that feed lot and just shoot mice and rats

999
01:01:41,800 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: for as long as you could possibly stand it. But

1000
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean thousands and thousands and thousands of babies over

1001
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: the course of it, just you know, a month. Um.

1002
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 1: You know, barn pigeons were like big, big game um

1003
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: because they were always just like roosted up a little

1004
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: bit too high to like you'd hit them and then

1005
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,360
Speaker 1: they'd kind of shake it off and be like whoa

1006
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:18,600
Speaker 1: and uh and then uh oh man. My family, the

1007
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: folks in my family that hunted, they were super into

1008
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,240
Speaker 1: geese and that was it. And you didn't hunt ducks

1009
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: and it was just geese. Um. And this is like

1010
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: a traditional type of deal on And uh. I had

1011
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: a single shot break action twenty gauge hammer hammer gun,

1012
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:48,040
Speaker 1: and um, I had you know, uh, several attempts at

1013
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: trying to get my first bird with that thing. And

1014
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: finally my uncle and I went up and jumped some ducks,

1015
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: and he stooped low enough to hunt ducks or go

1016
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 1: jump these ducks with me, and I shot a golden

1017
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,280
Speaker 1: nye and uh, it was one of those things where

1018
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:11,040
Speaker 1: we jumped the birds and I missed, and then somebody

1019
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: else knocked one down. They were trying to do that.

1020
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: And then out of the corner of my eye, I

1021
01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 1: see this bird comes zipping down the river and I

1022
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: just swung going and I just swung through and pounded

1023
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: it and was like absolutely shocked, right, and I just

1024
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: I remember to this day like everybody being like, oh

1025
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: my god, great shot. And then they were like, it's

1026
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 1: god damn cold night, Jesus screw girl. And it's all

1027
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: my uncle's buddies, right, and they're dun and them trying

1028
01:03:46,800 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: to feign excitement all the way to like dropping me

1029
01:03:53,480 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: off back home, and and it's like, oh yeah, right,

1030
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 1: shot night, Yeah, well you know how to cook man?

1031
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 1: Oh it the mouncles, I mean, the come a long way,

1032
01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:08,919
Speaker 1: come a long long way. That's probably I think about kids,

1033
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: how we used to hunt chipmunks real real hard on chipmunks,

1034
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: hard and other stuff you read about indigenous cultures and

1035
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: the kids, Um, they're the same way. Francis Parkman's Oregon

1036
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: Trail when he goes out and he had and I

1037
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: think it was eighteen he traveled with and spent time

1038
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: with the Iguala Sioux and comments on um vicious. The

1039
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: children are with their bows and arrows, shooting birds and

1040
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: then killing the bird and hanging it up and shooting

1041
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 1: it more. You know, when I was watching a documentary

1042
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:50,120
Speaker 1: about Amber Indians in South America and yeah, and the

1043
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: kids just like when they're learning to hunt, it's hunting everything, yea.

1044
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: And they hunt bugs and you'd shoot a blog on that, right,

1045
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 1: it's like any little mammals, any little birds, it's uh

1046
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: and uh. And I sometimes look back when we were

1047
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: kids and we were like that, and I'm like, you

1048
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: know what's going on? But then it's like you're you're

1049
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: kind of like training for something, you know, but what

1050
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: it's got to be and it scares some parents. Well,

1051
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 1: I always I always think that is it just like

1052
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: I try to make it more than it is. I think, like,

1053
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: is it the curiosity with the natural world? But that's

1054
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: not what's going through your head when you're twelve year

1055
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: old popping chipmunks. It's fascination, you are, you're fascinated with it,

1056
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:35,480
Speaker 1: but it's domination. Also you want to like, we just

1057
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: wanted to hunt. We want to be hunt. You just

1058
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: want to be outside. You want to be doing something.

1059
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 1: You want to achieve something. I mean, you heard if

1060
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:44,760
Speaker 1: you heard off, you hear a chipmunk every grab the

1061
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 1: be gun ran on the trying to go find him,

1062
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 1: crawl up on it. It's one. It's you wonder about that,

1063
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 1: like whether that's an advantage for somebody who starts hunting

1064
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: when they were a kid, because you have the like

1065
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: the gloves are kind of off and your kids, you

1066
01:05:57,960 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: cal gets to bb gun goes out and shoot ship.

1067
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: Nobody's talking about should he be doing that? Bringing Morning

1068
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: Dobs home to your mom thinking she's gonna be all proud. Yeah,

1069
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,480
Speaker 1: you already allowed to you know, Michigan, you can't hunt

1070
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 1: Morning does you know? We'd go out and try to

1071
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: get him off the power lines because they like to

1072
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 1: roost up on the power lines or perch up on there.

1073
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: And now I had my kid out, we're hunting squirrels

1074
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: and there's crows popping around the trees overhead, and he's all,

1075
01:06:24,440 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, wants to shoot the crow and I, Hey,

1076
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,760
Speaker 1: do you wanna shoot the crow for? And um He's like, well,

1077
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 1: we'll eat it. And I said, yeah, yeah, I could

1078
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 1: eat it, you know, but let's not shoot the crow.

1079
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: Were you're waiting for squirrels. And I wouldn't let him

1080
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:37,520
Speaker 1: shoot the crow when I was a kid. He would

1081
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: have popped that crow and then you shot the crow.

1082
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,840
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, wonder, like what I'm depriving them.

1083
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like, there's something about that. There was

1084
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: a fella I can't remember his name, and I won't

1085
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: that wrote about the five stages of hunting. Yeah, I'm

1086
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: familiar with this, and the first one is just like

1087
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: something like and a butcher this one as well, but

1088
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: it's like killing, just killing. It's the first stage. Whether

1089
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 1: it's you know, whether it has to do with power,

1090
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,360
Speaker 1: like exerting some power over the world around you, or

1091
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, marksmanship, learning a skill, all the things that

1092
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: that just kids are subconsciously doing that they probably should

1093
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 1: be allowed to do because it seems like a function

1094
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: of being, of coming up in the outside world done it.

1095
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the Indians are doing it. We're doing it.

1096
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: Our kids probably won't be as free to do it

1097
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: as we were. Yeah, I mean my my brothers, I

1098
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:33,920
Speaker 1: mean they were right there in it with me, and

1099
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 1: they were hardcore chipmunk hunters and they grew up to

1100
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: become a cologist. Yeah. I'm not saying that everyone that

1101
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 1: kills chipmunks comes to college. If you want your kids

1102
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 1: to be coming to college is get him out there,

1103
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 1: because would be too many ecologists. Um. But there's no

1104
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: correlation between that activity and some kind of like one poaching.

1105
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: Later on, I thought a lot different of it when

1106
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: I realized that when I started to see references to

1107
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: it with with people from a long time ago hunting cultures,

1108
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:12,600
Speaker 1: hunter gatherer groups whose children um and this happens in

1109
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: the Calahari Amazon great Planes where these hunter gatherer groups

1110
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: or nomadic hunters, they're little kids, little boys particularly are

1111
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: just are expected to like learn their craft at a

1112
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:41,000
Speaker 1: young age. That book asked her that a friend of

1113
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 1: yours penned um, they have a description of getting kind

1114
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:54,240
Speaker 1: of tagging in, falling in with a group shoshone and

1115
01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:02,680
Speaker 1: one of the grews that they're following there's a two

1116
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:11,240
Speaker 1: year old kid, uh tied onto a horse, and these uh,

1117
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: you know, white dudes are who are the toughest sons

1118
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: of bitches that may have ever walked the planet according

1119
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 1: to this book. Man, Um, they're just being so blown

1120
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:30,760
Speaker 1: away by how you could tie your kid onto a

1121
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: horse to have I'm learned how to ride. But that

1122
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: was like you look at the mortality rates people in general,

1123
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 1: and then people in those planes tribes, and then kids

1124
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: in those plane tribes, like it was like man sink

1125
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 1: or swim. Yeah. Well, I mean there's a lot of

1126
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,880
Speaker 1: hunters nowadays that's that are you know, or you know

1127
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,920
Speaker 1: what we call them adult onset hunters that don't get

1128
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: the opportunity to to kind of shirk the intellectual conundrums

1129
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: that we've got gone. Yeah, they got to dive right

1130
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 1: in with all the heavy stuff. Yeah, they gotta get

1131
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,759
Speaker 1: that heavy stuff right on, right on at the beginning.

1132
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: But when you're a kid, you don't need that. Man,

1133
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, it was just about being

1134
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 1: with my dad, you know, It's just about being out

1135
01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: there running around with him. And I was it. I mean,

1136
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:23,840
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was simple as it could possibly be.

1137
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: There was nothing to it. Yeah, I think that it's

1138
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 1: it's perfectly good and acceptable in my opinion, just to

1139
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: grow up with it and like it and not ever

1140
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: feel the need to really like poke at it and

1141
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: think about it. Yeah you know, I mean, it's nice

1142
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: to have the luxury to do that. And if you're

1143
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: the kind of person that tends to overthink a lot

1144
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: of stuff, then you wind up looking at this thing,

1145
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 1: you know, be a hunting like look at it and

1146
01:10:55,320 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 1: be like, you know, what is this thing? What is it?

1147
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,280
Speaker 1: What is it about it? You know, because you're talking

1148
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,120
Speaker 1: to an over tothink it right here? Yeah, so you're

1149
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: like you you you accept that you'd like it, You

1150
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 1: said that it means a lot to you, and then

1151
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: you get into this long job of sort of asking

1152
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: why why why? Why? Uh not? Ever like do I

1153
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: want to keep doing this? Because you know that's going

1154
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: to happen, but just you start, yeah, you start pondering

1155
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:27,559
Speaker 1: the what is it? Does that have its place? I mean?

1156
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: Or is that just spinning tires? Because you know you're

1157
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: gonna continue to do it. You know that it's not

1158
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: that you won't one day come to a oh shit,

1159
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm a back office well, for me, it became tied

1160
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:46,680
Speaker 1: to uh, it became tied to profession. Yeah, you know

1161
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 1: we're in in some way. You get paid to in

1162
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 1: some way. Well I don't wanna say you get paid

1163
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: in some way. You find a way to to earn

1164
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: pay by thinking about it, kicking it around. Um, but yeah,

1165
01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: I have a lot of I have a lot of

1166
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,640
Speaker 1: friends that just don't feel the need to weigh it

1167
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: all out. There's million I don't I don't, I don't,

1168
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 1: don't think less of them, for there's millions of people

1169
01:12:14,960 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: who just want to hunt and have a good time,

1170
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,920
Speaker 1: and they don't want to be told that it's wrong

1171
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 1: or it's right. They just want to hunt and do

1172
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:22,640
Speaker 1: it the way they do it, and that's how it's

1173
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:24,640
Speaker 1: always been, or that's how they've created it to be.

1174
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:30,839
Speaker 1: And hell, yeah that's great, that's fantastic. Will beat anybody

1175
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: up for that. But I sit around looking at at

1176
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 1: any point in my life, I look at what I

1177
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: was doing ten years earlier, and you just get curious

1178
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, like the hell's going on there? Yeah?

1179
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: Why was I doing that? It's interesting, but it's it's

1180
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: something that people have been talking I'm sure talked to

1181
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:56,040
Speaker 1: You've got you both about but that have been righting

1182
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,599
Speaker 1: in and asking me a lot about lately and around

1183
01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 1: when we talk about ethics, is is killing ship not

1184
01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 1: eating it? Killing the killing the critter not eating And

1185
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,120
Speaker 1: it connects. It's in my mind right now because it

1186
01:13:09,160 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: connects to being a kid because you're not eating. I

1187
01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 1: mean all the animals you just named yet you were

1188
01:13:15,080 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: popping with a bb gun or twenty two or whatever.

1189
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 1: I could count on one hand the number of chipmunks

1190
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,519
Speaker 1: we ate. Yeah. Yeah, when we were playing survival, we

1191
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: would eat them maybe like three times, right, but they're

1192
01:13:29,840 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: the prairie dogs Eastern Montana prairie dog cleaned one. I

1193
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: mean the amount. There's a lot of blood on these hands.

1194
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:49,840
Speaker 1: Do blood? Now? What were you still using the Red

1195
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,360
Speaker 1: Rider for that? Did you break out something that's not

1196
01:13:52,479 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: Red Rider? You could kill you now, you couldn't know.

1197
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,719
Speaker 1: It was interesting is that it had a pretty quick

1198
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,240
Speaker 1: escalation into high calibers. You know, see you could reach

1199
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: out further and then eventually I just went back to

1200
01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: the ten two because I just that's so eventually a

1201
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: quick I found out that it really doesn't matter if

1202
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,720
Speaker 1: you hit them, and uh, I had so much fun

1203
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:21,000
Speaker 1: just arc in those little tiny bullets around. You know,

1204
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: they little poison dogs for sure. Yeah. My uncles, you know,

1205
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 1: they always had that big poison contraption on their four wheeler.

1206
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:37,200
Speaker 1: It's it's literally like a big hopper with a you know,

1207
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 1: probably a two inch diameter tube that just goes straight

1208
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: down and you can just drive that, drive your four

1209
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: wheeler over the top of the prairie dog hole. You

1210
01:14:46,240 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: hit the button there, you pulled a little slide thing

1211
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,479
Speaker 1: which is on a spring, and it drops a dose

1212
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: a poison down the hole and then you just put

1213
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: her over the next one. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta think

1214
01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 1: that prairie dogs wasn't all they were killing. No, hell no, no, no,

1215
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: but you can. I mean, what's the Yeah, what's the

1216
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,920
Speaker 1: percentage of ship nowadays that it's not ship of animals

1217
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 1: that you kill that you don't eat. I don't have

1218
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: anything I don't eat now unless I wanted the fur

1219
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: off something now and then. But no, generally not because

1220
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 1: that you had to evolve into that. I don't even

1221
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 1: think of it as an evolution. It's just like there's um,

1222
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, I used to trap stuff because I you know,

1223
01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 1: for trap to sell the hides and then use the

1224
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: carcasses for baits, sell carcasses a sleddog. People just make

1225
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: like a little carcass dump to try to lure other

1226
01:15:42,040 --> 01:15:45,479
Speaker 1: stuff in muskrats whatnot. And I had I had a guy,

1227
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, one guy that I grew up around that

1228
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: would want some number of muskrat hams, but not enough

1229
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 1: to keep up with how many I produced. Um, it

1230
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: was just like that was like the thing of value

1231
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 1: on them. Now it's just I just it just doesn't mallard.

1232
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 1: Occasionally you get that mallard that's got all the cists

1233
01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:14,200
Speaker 1: in the in the breast meat not familiar, like yeah,

1234
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: big worms in the brass meat. I can't then you don't. Yeah,

1235
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: but that's that's not something that there The intention was

1236
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:26,599
Speaker 1: to eat it. Yeah, But for me, it's like, uh, yeah,

1237
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: it's just I'd rather go I'd like to go out

1238
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 1: and get the food. So that's a big part of

1239
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: the enjoyment for me is to go out and get food.

1240
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: So and I only have you know a certain number

1241
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,439
Speaker 1: of hours in your life if I'm going to go

1242
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: and do something. If I'm gonna go fish, I'm gonna

1243
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: go fish for a fish that we regard as good

1244
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:48,519
Speaker 1: to eat. And if we're gonna hunt, I like to

1245
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 1: go hunt for something that me and my family regard

1246
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: is good to eat, because that's like a big part

1247
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:57,479
Speaker 1: of it for me. So it's just like what your

1248
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: it's your personal value system or you I don't even

1249
01:17:00,479 --> 01:17:03,200
Speaker 1: want to put it is a value system. It's it's

1250
01:17:03,240 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: a thing like that. But it's also it's just what

1251
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, that's just the sensical part. And I

1252
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: want to go get stuff and bring it home, and

1253
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 1: especially when the kids, I want to go get stuff

1254
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 1: and then we're going to call home and cook it. Yeah.

1255
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: But I mean you've learned how to and and become

1256
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 1: an expert in how to cook a whole variety of

1257
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: things fish, small game, big, all kind of stuff. Mayn

1258
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 1: we eat, pine squirrels. Goddamn cookbook, all this stuff in it.

1259
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: Um so yeah, so which is now in stock? Um bam.

1260
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,639
Speaker 1: We have a little checkbox here on these podcasts where

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01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:44,639
Speaker 1: we advertise, yeah I have we you know down here

1262
01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 1: in we cooked coyled up down here in Mexico. One time.

1263
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:51,639
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. I've never touched another one since. Yeah,

1264
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: it's just you know, cal. I mean, what's your You

1265
01:17:56,400 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: don't you can you eat everything you're killing now? Right? Oh? Yeah, man,

1266
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean it is. Maybe maybe i'd go help some

1267
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: some kids, like with with shooting some prairie dogs, but man,

1268
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: it'd just be hard. Like my there's just no will.

1269
01:18:22,760 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 1: There's just zero will anymore. But we had I had

1270
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: to exterminate some some feral cats out of my mom's

1271
01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 1: place the other day. Give your feral cat statistics two

1272
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: point six billion birds a year. And this isn't feral cats,

1273
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:45,080
Speaker 1: this is outdoor cats. Oh here's the yeah, here's the

1274
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: thing though, something like that, or if I remember I

1275
01:18:47,400 --> 01:18:52,080
Speaker 1: had a buddy that had a you know, raccoon up

1276
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:57,160
Speaker 1: in his barn, or feral cats they're getting in trouble,

1277
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:58,680
Speaker 1: or if something, if I had a friend who had

1278
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:02,639
Speaker 1: a chicken coop, say yeah, and fox kept getting in there.

1279
01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 1: That's just I don't think of that is. I don't

1280
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:10,640
Speaker 1: think that's not I don't think it is it is,

1281
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: But you know, it's not like there's not a lot

1282
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 1: of enjoyment in that, right, I'm like, just more more

1283
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: like dirty jobs done dirt cheap. Oh yeah, there's a

1284
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 1: if there's like a feral cat cleaning house on a

1285
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff someone wanted to have done any feral

1286
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 1: cat working. My mom raised these two ducks that somebody

1287
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 1: just people know she's got a real soft heart for animals,

1288
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 1: and so she ship just shows up at their place.

1289
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: And she raised these two domestic ducks and it was

1290
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,800
Speaker 1: just heartbroken that they weren't being real friendly to her

1291
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: for months and months, and she built them like this.

1292
01:19:50,880 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 1: She had like this grotto by the end of like

1293
01:19:56,560 --> 01:20:02,759
Speaker 1: duck baths and uh these and uh sunflowers like hanging

1294
01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: overhanging sunflowers, and and uh they were happy ducks. And

1295
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:10,640
Speaker 1: just about the time they warmed up to her, the

1296
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 1: uh cat explosion happened in some cat eight Both the

1297
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,639
Speaker 1: ducks killed both the ducks, and uh that's that's when

1298
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:27,240
Speaker 1: it was a season on the barn cats. Yeah. People

1299
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 1: have emailed in and messaged in about crows, about coyotes,

1300
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: about prairie dogs, which we've talked about. It seems like

1301
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 1: that comes in a lot. I don't know, if do

1302
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: you get a lot in your inbox there at the

1303
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:45,720
Speaker 1: meat eater shooting crows? No, Um no, if my kids

1304
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:47,000
Speaker 1: shot a crow, I would make him eat it, but

1305
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:48,880
Speaker 1: he wouldn't think it was. But he would he wouldn't know.

1306
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 1: They eat so much stuff, he wouldn't think it was. Like,

1307
01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: he wouldn't register it as a punishment. No, he'd just

1308
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:56,880
Speaker 1: be a great another thing to eat. He say, what

1309
01:20:56,960 --> 01:20:59,240
Speaker 1: else are we gonna do with it? You know? So No,

1310
01:20:59,280 --> 01:21:01,080
Speaker 1: I wouldn't you know, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

1311
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't let him do it that one time,

1312
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: just because I didn't want him to. Like I talked

1313
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,439
Speaker 1: about this before, because we're doing something different. We're like

1314
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 1: waiting for a squirrel to come out. And I was teaching, like,

1315
01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:15,200
Speaker 1: let's stick with their playing here, not just go willy

1316
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 1: nilly shooting everything. Yeah, because we're like here for a purpose.

1317
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 1: We're waiting for something to show up. But if you

1318
01:21:20,640 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: do that, it's not gonna show up. Um. And we

1319
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,240
Speaker 1: used to Yeah, we used to go out. I don't know,

1320
01:21:27,360 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 1: I have a double standard, man, because we used to

1321
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,759
Speaker 1: go out instead of call out to get him get crows,

1322
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: just for just to get him. And and but now

1323
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: know if my kid got a crow, now, i'd make

1324
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 1: him cook it. And I'll probably you know, I'll let

1325
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:41,160
Speaker 1: him get a crow and he can see what it's

1326
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,719
Speaker 1: like to eat it. You ever eating a crow cow? Nope,

1327
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:48,639
Speaker 1: no desire too. I haven't one of the handful things

1328
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:53,360
Speaker 1: I've never eaten. You know what, I'm certainly not unquote

1329
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 1: right there, not above it, not above it at all.

1330
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 1: I mean, you know we were talking about was earlier.

1331
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: I have no real desire to just go out and uh,

1332
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: I guess I do have a desire to go hunt wolves.

1333
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:14,639
Speaker 1: I don't I have a real hesitation to go hunt wolves,

1334
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:18,600
Speaker 1: and and uh if they don't taste good. You know,

1335
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: if I were to get a wolf, I damn sure

1336
01:22:20,920 --> 01:22:23,160
Speaker 1: to be eating that. Stephenson. I've talked about this all

1337
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 1: the time. The Arctic explores Stephens instead of his favorite

1338
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,960
Speaker 1: meat like the better and sheet learn caribeu better than

1339
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: cheap favorite wild meat better. So yeah, man, they ate everything.

1340
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: They ate whale tongue from everything from carrie with to

1341
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: whale tongue. And he liked he liked wolf meat the most,

1342
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,519
Speaker 1: go out of his way to get wolves. I did

1343
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 1: some deep digging on the internet the other day, to

1344
01:22:45,960 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 1: the bowels of the Internet, um and found one published

1345
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: that's in quotations Wolf recipe um, and that was on.

1346
01:22:57,160 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 1: Some dudes blog that boy he killed that wolf seven

1347
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: or eight times by the time he declared it edible.

1348
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: I think more out of fear than anything else. There's

1349
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: no way it's gonna taste bad. I can't imagine it.

1350
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 1: Does people need wolves forever? Yeah, I would say, stay tuned.

1351
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,040
Speaker 1: That's something we're gonna have to do. Yeah, we're gonna

1352
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,320
Speaker 1: have to kill a wolf and eat it. I'd like

1353
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: to I'd like to you you want to hunt wolves? Yeah, yeah,

1354
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 1: I do. I find out people not to do with that.

1355
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: But a thing that troubles me is I think some

1356
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: people become real sensitive about their practices and and they

1357
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,439
Speaker 1: take it like if you don't want to do something,

1358
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: they take it like you're making a value judgment on them. Exactly.

1359
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 1: This is not a reflection upon you. Yeah, you're gonna say,

1360
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:47,880
Speaker 1: you know what, like there's all these other things to hunt,

1361
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: so I don't hunt that thing and don't feel like

1362
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: hunting that thing, and they'll get hurt, hurt their feelings

1363
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 1: because they like to do it. I'm like, dude, sure,

1364
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 1: why does not wanting to do it? Why does that

1365
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 1: body that I don't want to do it? And I'm

1366
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 1: not like I could name all kinds of stuff that

1367
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 1: that I like to do that you don't do. I

1368
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 1: don't feel bad that you. I'm not hurt that you

1369
01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:12,720
Speaker 1: don't do them as well. Well, there's not. Yeah, if

1370
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other are very sensitive. Man, that's

1371
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 1: just the thing that we do. There's just not one

1372
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:22,080
Speaker 1: set of values. There's not one shared There are shared values,

1373
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,160
Speaker 1: but there's not one set of them that says, like,

1374
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 1: here all the things that we do that are acceptable. Yeah,

1375
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. Though, if you're like, oh, man, no,

1376
01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,599
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't hunt prairie dogs. I don't.

1377
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: I don't hunt prairie dogs. You're too good for that. Yeah,

1378
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,759
Speaker 1: better than me? I do you better than me? Steve,

1379
01:24:38,240 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 1: and I would be like, no, no, it's just that

1380
01:24:41,320 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing something different. I guess that day. I'll tell you, man,

1381
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,200
Speaker 1: by the end of November, Chase mule here and high

1382
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:54,600
Speaker 1: snow and sleeping on the ground, on the ground. You

1383
01:24:54,720 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 1: saw that ballad of buster scrugs. Very good, very good? Yeah, well,

1384
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's you can't say it's very because

1385
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: it's so many of them. Some of them are extremely good.

1386
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:10,600
Speaker 1: This them, the homesteaders, you know the wagon train, that

1387
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 1: trainmastered keeps talking about his his partner. That's kind of

1388
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: getting over the hill. It's like, imagine being that age

1389
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:24,759
Speaker 1: and doing this job, sleeping on the ground, on the ground,

1390
01:25:25,720 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: sleeping on the ground. That struck me. But as a

1391
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 1: man who does a lot of sleeping on the ground,

1392
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 1: as a man who does a plenty of sleeping on

1393
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:35,800
Speaker 1: the ground. But yeah, man, by the time and the

1394
01:25:35,880 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: November rolls around, there's something very appealing about just going

1395
01:25:42,040 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 1: on half day huns, just like being able to return

1396
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 1: home and uh not sleep on the ground. So uh,

1397
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: that's my brother in Alaska is he gets jealous of

1398
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:56,479
Speaker 1: people living in the lower forty because everything will lask

1399
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:00,760
Speaker 1: is such a expedition. It's just his man's like just

1400
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:02,479
Speaker 1: to be able to go out and like mess around.

1401
01:26:04,240 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 1: But it's not. It's like it's just everything is a

1402
01:26:06,479 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 1: big damn deal. Yeah, you feel like that some trucks

1403
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 1: and you're gone ten days. It's like you can't just

1404
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 1: go do something. Yeah. So anyway, by the by the time, uh,

1405
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm very to your earlier point, like

1406
01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing other stuff. I'm very preoccupied Um, it's just

1407
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: like us out here in Mexico. We all have Halina

1408
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:32,360
Speaker 1: tags and nobody we've all seen Havelna and nobody's chased

1409
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 1: a single one because he's been really focused on COO's here.

1410
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: And I have wolf tags in my pocket and I

1411
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,080
Speaker 1: saw some wolves and it was just like, man, it's

1412
01:26:43,360 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: really gonna take me away from Mule here or Elk

1413
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: right now. Um And so yeah, by the time those

1414
01:26:53,560 --> 01:26:57,720
Speaker 1: other distractions are through getting around to the wolf thing, like,

1415
01:26:57,880 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: I just don't have the drive for it, I guess so,

1416
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,600
Speaker 1: but you still you know, no, I would like to

1417
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,479
Speaker 1: make it happen. I love the idea that you can

1418
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,280
Speaker 1: call them. I have called a few in over the years. Um.

1419
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,719
Speaker 1: And I love talking to animals. Man, that that's cool stuff.

1420
01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 1: So why I think there's just something for me where

1421
01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:24,000
Speaker 1: we're always measuring each other. We're always measuring ourselves against

1422
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 1: each other as hunters, always measuring what do you do,

1423
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 1: how do you do that? You know, how fast do

1424
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: you go up the mountain? Well? Mostly, but yeah, we

1425
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 1: always end up measuring. No matter what it is we're doing,

1426
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: we're always kind of whether we want to admit it

1427
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 1: or not, measuring ourselves, you know, whether it's based on

1428
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:49,920
Speaker 1: the pursuit or based on how you do something, or

1429
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,120
Speaker 1: based on what you do or don't do. Like we're

1430
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: always just measuring or sometimes just flat out who's is bigger? Yeah? Yeah,

1431
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 1: who's bigger? All the time we are measuring? Well we are.

1432
01:28:01,320 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 1: We didn't even tell people are we are? We're in Mexico. Hey, yes,

1433
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:06,639
Speaker 1: we are here. That if you hear the gentle hum

1434
01:28:06,800 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 1: of a generator over the last hour and change off

1435
01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: the grid Mexico. We're off the grid with a generator

1436
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: in the back. We got a fire going here. It's

1437
01:28:17,400 --> 01:28:22,280
Speaker 1: real nice, ok man oak something around here. We had

1438
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 1: a good week in Mexico. Phenomenal man calchot of deer today.

1439
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 1: Love love this place. I um, I was telling everybody today.

1440
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 1: I was like, Man, I am damn proud of this

1441
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: buck and and very very happy of this situation. But

1442
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: had I eaten this tag, I would have enjoyed every

1443
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 1: every day of this hunt. I hate a tag. I

1444
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 1: gotta leave tomorrow. And I sat on a ridge top

1445
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,880
Speaker 1: today and just enjoyed the sunset. Man, that seems cliche,

1446
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 1: but an amazing one. It seems like they come off

1447
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 1: and around here. Um, for sure. Mark Kenyon, who's here

1448
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 1: UM described this hunt as a look and watch hunt

1449
01:29:05,560 --> 01:29:09,920
Speaker 1: as opposed to was spotting stock hunt. UM. I thought

1450
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: that was pretty good. Yeah. You look at a lot

1451
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 1: of bucks far off that are traveling fast and you

1452
01:29:14,280 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 1: just kind of they come in and out of your

1453
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 1: life and you never see him again, like a good

1454
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: car first rifle. Um, Well check out the rest of

1455
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: the coverage from this stuff one. Um. There's a television

1456
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 1: show called Metator TV. But there's also a podcast called

1457
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 1: The Mediator Podcast and that comes out every week too.

1458
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 1: Just check that out. But that's all I got. You guys,

1459
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: have any we should do concluders. Since this is uh

1460
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: Steve Ornelli is here, we should conclude with a thought.

1461
01:29:45,880 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: Man I concluding thought. Um, it's an auspicious time to

1462
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: be down on the border. Thank thanks for bringing that up,

1463
01:29:56,840 --> 01:29:58,599
Speaker 1: because I feel like coming down here and not bringing

1464
01:29:58,640 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 1: it up. You're looking at like we're in Mexico and

1465
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Speaker 1: you're looking at mountains right in Arizona, and a lot

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01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 1: of discussion about the border and and uh movement to

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01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:14,599
Speaker 1: and fro right, it's just an interesting time of beer.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you can't I've commented on this a number

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01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:23,080
Speaker 1: of times, where the landscape, you know, I've hunted cuise

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01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: deer in Arizona not far from here, and I've hunted

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01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:35,639
Speaker 1: him here and uh, the same plants, you know, same ground,

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01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:42,080
Speaker 1: same animals, same wind blowing. But everything just a few

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01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:46,640
Speaker 1: miles south of that border. Everything feels so different, but

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01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 1: it's not. It's like on the ground and the birds

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01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:54,040
Speaker 1: and it's just the same, right. These things don't know

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01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,679
Speaker 1: what side of that line they're on. But you can't

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01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:02,519
Speaker 1: help you can't get away from this sense of viewing

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01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: it as somehow other, and it just it impresses me

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01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:11,320
Speaker 1: with the way in which your geo political sensibility is

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01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: very ingrained, you know, and you're like, when you're walking

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01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: up a hill, you're not just walking up a hill

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01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,840
Speaker 1: in Mexico, hill in Mexico, man, and that's a cous

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01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: deer in Mexico's like, you can't it doesn't escape your head.

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01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: And I keep wondering, like why is it that you

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01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:31,439
Speaker 1: don't forget, Like, oh I forgot that I'm in another

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01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: It's very I mean, we were talking about it today.

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Speaker 1: It's very when you cross the wall there and acquaprita

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01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 1: over it from Douglas, Arizona, over into Mexico. You can

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01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:47,360
Speaker 1: look through the steel bars and see the McDonald's golden arches.

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01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 1: You can look through the steel bars and see like

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01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: the wall kind of like the Walmart parking lot right there,

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01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:57,360
Speaker 1: and m It's like, you know, you know, you have

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01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: this understanding at that point that that these are this

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01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:03,839
Speaker 1: wall is more than just a barrier between two countries.

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01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: It's like this. It makes it all the more real

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01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: that these worlds are are what they are. You know,

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01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: it's amazing. I don't need to describe what occupate looks like,

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01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,760
Speaker 1: but it don't look like McDonald's and Walmart's at all.

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01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 1: It is different. And then I guess you go through

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01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 1: that transition, then you come out and like a purely

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01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,320
Speaker 1: natural landscape like here you're in. You know, I was

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01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,519
Speaker 1: remarking to Caldany when he got that bok. It's like,

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01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:32,200
Speaker 1: these are white tailed deer. They're living outside of any

1504
01:32:32,240 --> 01:32:34,880
Speaker 1: real human influence. I mean they're not they're not exploiting

1505
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 1: agriculture right there, just you know, they're just mountain deer.

1506
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:42,960
Speaker 1: And um, I was saying to calic Man. Even if

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01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: humans have never colonized the western hemisphere. I feel like

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01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:48,840
Speaker 1: this buck would have been standing here right now, but

1509
01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't know that anything has happened, you know, which

1510
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: is you know, someone could shoot a lot of holes

1511
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: in that argument. But um, but it's yeah, it's still

1512
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 1: it's like a deer in Mexico. But that's you hit

1513
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: on a good point there, right, It's it's us, man,

1514
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:07,560
Speaker 1: We're the difference. Yeah, you can't. You can't see we

1515
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: are the difference because you can see that when you're

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01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:13,720
Speaker 1: in in you know, when you're in the town where

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01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,759
Speaker 1: that we've settled. You can look across and see the difference.

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01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,280
Speaker 1: When you remove the human interaction, it's the same damn thing,

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01:33:21,439 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing, wall, no wall, whatever. So that

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01:33:26,120 --> 01:33:31,440
Speaker 1: that it simplifies this this trip for me personally simplified

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01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 1: and complicated the idea at the same time. Yeah, for sure,

1522
01:33:34,680 --> 01:33:38,960
Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to it's interesting to be here right

1523
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:41,160
Speaker 1: now and just kind of be able to sit and

1524
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,599
Speaker 1: look at that line and think about it. That's my concluder. Yep,

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01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:50,519
Speaker 1: gal uh, Steve, I guess to your point, I did

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01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:55,120
Speaker 1: have like a very like interesting thought pop into my

1527
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 1: head when I was after our hunt this morning. It's

1528
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:06,720
Speaker 1: like how like there is a giant disparity and the

1529
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:10,599
Speaker 1: amount of Americans that come to Mexico and the amount

1530
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,560
Speaker 1: Americans that come to Mexico and fire a rifle in

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01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:23,400
Speaker 1: Mexico than amongst relatively, not saying that it's been done many, many,

1532
01:34:23,479 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 1: many times, but um proportionately, very very different groups. The

1533
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 1: party crowd going to Cancoon. As Rick Smith said, this

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01:34:35,000 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: is not the Margharita Mexico. Yeah, I think very relatively

1535
01:34:41,720 --> 01:34:46,080
Speaker 1: very few people cross down and hunt here in northern Sonora.

1536
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:48,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, you have many people a year you think

1537
01:34:49,000 --> 01:34:52,679
Speaker 1: do that? Well, I have no idea. I mean, there's

1538
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,360
Speaker 1: it's been long and stay tries to hear this less

1539
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 1: than a thousand Yeah, yeah, I would be there. But

1540
01:34:58,920 --> 01:35:01,960
Speaker 1: a man, I love the country and I love this

1541
01:35:02,160 --> 01:35:06,880
Speaker 1: setup like the and it should definitely say it. Thank

1542
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:11,760
Speaker 1: you to h Jay Scott Outdoors, who this is the

1543
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:16,759
Speaker 1: only uh do learn and Scott out like Jay Scott,

1544
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:20,839
Speaker 1: Jay Scott as his his Yeah, he guides under Colburn

1545
01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:27,599
Speaker 1: and Scott do it yourself hunt like her range helps

1546
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 1: your range is actually a do it yourself hunt like

1547
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 1: he sets you up for success. But oh my god, man,

1548
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 1: like the freedom you enjoy an extraordinary freedom among us

1549
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:48,040
Speaker 1: of my land spoiled kids. Man. And it's just it's

1550
01:35:48,080 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 1: not that different. It's like you just you just get

1551
01:35:53,680 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 1: to go hunt. It's great. I know, I know. Maybe

1552
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: maybe that's my concluder. Are your your concluders concluded? I'm concluded. Uh,

1553
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm a notorious overthinker. But at the same time, I

1554
01:36:12,120 --> 01:36:17,280
Speaker 1: feel like that, you know, running around here like unfettered,

1555
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:20,040
Speaker 1: nobody telling us you can't do this, you can't do that,

1556
01:36:20,120 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: you can't shoot this buck, you can't shoot that buck.

1557
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:26,439
Speaker 1: Like you just run on feeling, just running on feeling.

1558
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:29,760
Speaker 1: Maybe that's the title, but you're just running on like

1559
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 1: whatever you feel like, doing whatever you want to do.

1560
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:37,880
Speaker 1: And um, you know I has a feeling. I like, yeah,

1561
01:36:38,320 --> 01:36:41,200
Speaker 1: and I appreciate that feeling. And so when I get

1562
01:36:41,240 --> 01:36:43,479
Speaker 1: to do something like this and then you know, call

1563
01:36:43,560 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: it my job at some level, man, fun am I

1564
01:36:46,240 --> 01:36:50,720
Speaker 1: grateful for that? Goddamn it is that awesome feeling. Grateful man,

1565
01:36:50,760 --> 01:36:53,280
Speaker 1: you gotta My wife reminds me a lot about that stuff.

1566
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:57,719
Speaker 1: I feel grateful, I really do. I complaining about something. Yeah,

1567
01:36:58,040 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 1: first world problems. We have three beautiful, healthy children. I'm like,

1568
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:09,200
Speaker 1: I know, but still I traffic. I conclude by saying

1569
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:14,080
Speaker 1: that I do feel uh, I feel grateful to to

1570
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 1: have been able to run around and us see what

1571
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:19,000
Speaker 1: we've seen and do what we've do done this weekend

1572
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: and any other time. And um, the meat Eater cruise together. Man,

1573
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 1: that's you know, last year Steve and I were here

1574
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 1: and there wasn't a meat Eater incorporate. Man, there was

1575
01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: no Director of Conservation Round Callahan at all. And uh,

1576
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool, very cool, very cool by oak fire.

1577
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Yes you're fire. All right, boys, Thank you, thank you,

1578
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:48,200
Speaker 1: thank you. I'm gonna turn this generator off. That's it.

1579
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:51,720
Speaker 1: That's all. Episode number forty five in the books. Thank

1580
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 1: you too, Ryan Callahan. Thank you to Stephen Rinella. Yeah,

1581
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 1: it was only a year ago that when we started

1582
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:01,599
Speaker 1: this podcast. Stephen Nell and I did episode number one.

1583
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:04,559
Speaker 1: We sat on a glass and tit in Sonora, Mexico,

1584
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: not far from where we recorded this podcast. So we've

1585
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: come a long way since then. Thank you all for

1586
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: following along. Thank you to Stephen and Ryan for being

1587
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 1: a big part of of what we've done at the

1588
01:38:16,240 --> 01:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Hunting Collective. And and I'm grateful, as I said at

1589
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:21,519
Speaker 1: the end of the podcast. I'm very grateful for what

1590
01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm able to do for a living, and I'm very

1591
01:38:23,920 --> 01:38:29,759
Speaker 1: grateful to anyone who cares to listen, follow along, comment, negative, positive,

1592
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, Um, it's these are interactions that I

1593
01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:35,799
Speaker 1: care about. I care about them deeply, and I'm thankful

1594
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: for them. So also, that's what I'll say. And what else,

1595
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 1: what else? What else? What else? What else? Meat Eater

1596
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 1: Live Tour coming up, man, it's coming up not too

1597
01:38:46,520 --> 01:38:50,360
Speaker 1: long for now. We'll be in Sacramento. We will also

1598
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:54,280
Speaker 1: be in Reno. I will be traveling to Boise later

1599
01:38:54,360 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: in the year with the team. It's gonna be great.

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01:38:56,560 --> 01:38:58,240
Speaker 1: You're gonna love it. So if you go to the

1601
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: meat eater dot com slash events, you'll find all the

1602
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 1: schedule there and you can buy tickets. I'm sure there's

1603
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,720
Speaker 1: some left to most of the events. The boys are

1604
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:11,560
Speaker 1: also going to Michigan and Dallas, and hopefully we'll be

1605
01:39:11,640 --> 01:39:13,600
Speaker 1: able to announce an Austin show pretty soon, which I

1606
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 1: will be attending as well. So go there, check that

1607
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: out come and see us. Would love to hang with you,

1608
01:39:19,600 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 1: shake your hand, um, and do whatever and do whatever

1609
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 1: you really want us to do. In those ways. What

1610
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:28,880
Speaker 1: and there's more stuff. There's always more stuff. The Mediator

1611
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Speaker 1: newsletters there. Go to the website, the mediator dot com.

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Speaker 1: Subscribe to that. You're gonna get all our podcasts, all

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Speaker 1: our content every week. It's awesome. And then when you're

1614
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 1: done with that, you're gonna have a little bit of

1615
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,560
Speaker 1: extra time. I'm sure. Maybe do this one weekend and

1616
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:44,160
Speaker 1: you've got nothing going on. You go over to the

1617
01:39:44,280 --> 01:39:47,120
Speaker 1: store on the Mediator dot com. You poke around. There's

1618
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:50,439
Speaker 1: lots of meat eat gear there. There's children's tease, all

1619
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff for your kiddos. There's hunting collective hoodies

1620
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 1: or anti uh bullshit pro nuance shirts. There's all kinds

1621
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:02,920
Speaker 1: of stuff over there ats whatever you can desire. Plus

1622
01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,320
Speaker 1: you can buy first leg here over there too, which

1623
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,600
Speaker 1: just cool. So anyway, that's it for now. If you

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01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: can do all those things, would be very grateful. Until

1625
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 1: next time, we'll be joining you from a lass of Vegas, Nevada,

1626
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 1: hopefully with one Donnie Vincent. So check out Donny. If

1627
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:22,720
Speaker 1: you don't know who he is, I'm sure you already do.

1628
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:24,920
Speaker 1: But if you don't, check in out and we'll see

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01:40:24,920 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: you then bye.