WEBVTT - Supplements, Part Two: Nootropics 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.720 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.840 --> 0:00:09.119 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:12.200 learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:13.920 production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.720 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:27.800 my name is Noel. 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:31.080 They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:36.120 super producer Pauled, Mission controlled decand most importantly, you are you. 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:39.680 You are here that makes this the stuff they don't 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:44.000 want you to know. We are returned. We are made 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:45.880 whole stuff. 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.000 That don't want you to know. The return. 0:00:47.680 --> 0:00:53.319 Yes, please do call it a comeback forget ll cool Jay. 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:57.760 Here's a question to start tonight. Who doesn't want to 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:03.880 be more intelligent? Do you think anybody would a local question? Yeah, 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.800 on this question, who who would ever be given the 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:14.000 opportunity to say have an intuitive grasp of quantum mechanics 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:16.959 and respond by saying, nah, I'm good. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.720 Maybe it's not your thing, I think there could be, 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.520 or just maybe it's too much power, too much pressure 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:24.319 to know all these things about the universe. 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:25.600 I give it a pass. 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:29.039 I totally see what you mean. Like I think, I 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.319 think overall everybody would love having a little more of 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.240 an edge on whatever it is they're doing, right, whatever 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.720 it is is making them money or making their family 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.679 prosperous in the future of that kind of thing, Well. 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:45.000 That's more general. I'm talking about quantum mechanics specific, but yeah, I. 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:49.600 Mean, well, yeah, or even that superpower level kind of thing, right, 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:55.040 We've seen that associated with super human movies, right. 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.320 Sure, Limitless for instance, is. 0:01:57.320 --> 0:01:58.600 That the one where He's limitless? 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:00.920 Yeah, I'm gonna make that joke every time it's from 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:01.840 the office, but I love that. 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.120 But there is something to this I think that we 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:09.480 should ponder as we go throughout. Often some of the 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:14.040 most genius human beings that have lived ride that line 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:18.760 between madness and genius, right where maybe knowing more and 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.679 more and more could make you either more depressed or 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:24.880 you know what I mean, that's absolutely true. 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:26.880 All right, Yeah, no, I hear you. 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:29.840 I think it's a balance. 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:30.280 I don't know. 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:33.880 Yeah, I mean it's sort of the more money, more problems, 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:37.040 or the intellectual or spiritual version of that, like, the 0:02:37.040 --> 0:02:40.880 more you know, the more problems you see, then the more. 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:45.000 Like insane things make you because you know what's possible. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.960 You know, the more complicated everything becomes. 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:48.720 In real time. 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.799 The more you know, the more you know, and those 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:56.880 are not necessarily a good end result. Right, so we 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.480 arrive at this question. It's funny, this kind of idea 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.480 of a Faustian bargain. Uh, the majority of human beings, 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:09.560 I will posit would, up to a certain level, make 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:16.480 some sacrifices for the idea of easily acquired acumen, expertise, 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:20.160 or knowledge. You know, if someone said, Uh, if someone said, 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:26.680 would you would you give up the ability to speak 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:30.400 aloud if it made you good at math? Not everyone 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.760 would say yes. But if if they said, if they said, 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:39.160 for instance, would you sacrifice your left pinky toe to 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.400 any instrument? Because at least. 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.640 Important to yeah, the instruments that require the use of 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:47.840 your left pinky toes. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:54.120 That's where the monkeys has a finger curled out tonight. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:04:00.200 In tonight's episode, we are continuing conspiratorial exploration of a 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:04.760 very controversial thing known as the modern dietary supplement industry, 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.800 and we are focusing on this idea of improving a 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:12.760 thing people still can't define the nature of intelligence, the 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:17.840 idea that the ingestion of certain substances can improve the 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:21.680 function of your brain. Right now, these things collectively are 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:26.599 known as new tropics in oo tropics. Get ready, folks, 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:36.280 it's a weird one. Here are the facts, all right. 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:39.720 People have always been trying to sort of get better, right, 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.400 or get good as we say, in the world of gaming. 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.560 Man, I had a really fun conversation with our buddy 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:49.280 Frank the other day about how like the human ear 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.200 or like the human hearing abilities is represented by a 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.600 certain range, and he positive that what if there were 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:59.600 a thing you could do to make your brain perceive 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.240 a larg arger range of sound, Like is it a 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.320 question of the equipments, you know, limitations, or is it 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:09.760 a question of the programmings limitations like firmware updates, you know, 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:11.640 on a piece of hardware. 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:14.559 I don't know the answer. 0:05:14.640 --> 0:05:17.279 I do think maybe the human ear mechanics is limited 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:17.960 to a certain age. 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.919 There are other things that maybe we have the abil. 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.960 The potential to be able to do, but there's not 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:26.200 the programming, not the you know, the software ware. 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:32.200 Well yeah, that's because the brain is in a lot 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:36.720 of ways, it is hardware, right, but it is software based. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.400 Because if you think of language and all of these things, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:45.120 we'll get into it. Because the language hasn't always been around, right, 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:47.800 Humans have been around for a long time, and they've 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:51.800 been trying to improve since they started, since we started. 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.960 I'm a fan of man hashtag new Devil's Advocate. I 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.880 am a fan of the human. 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.400 Strive, you know, Like I thought you said, I'm a 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.920 fan of man, like I like the soft drink Fana 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:07.760 the best. 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:09.920 That's my best. I thought you were doing a thing. 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:11.679 But I'm a fan of man as well. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:15.839 Who you carry those bricks for, Kevin. Human history has 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:18.920 been a study and self improvement since the first time 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.840 they domesticated fire, and we got to get this out 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:25.200 of the way. Modern humans, to your point, Matt, predate 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:29.960 what we recognize as documented history, Like you go back 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.760 far enough so the average Like if you're listening to 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.640 this and you're human, then your Homo sapien Esque or 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:42.160 whatever early mixtape it goes back to. It goes back 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:47.120 to three hundred thousand years or so, basically, and documented 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:51.240 human society is a very small portion of that. So 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:56.880 a great deal of human invention, innovation, trial and error. 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.839 It is lost, it is gone, It is restricted to 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:06.120 myth and legend. If you look back post by cameral 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:11.000 mind argument, then we'll see that the human ancestors were 0:07:11.320 --> 0:07:16.960 just as intelligent as the modern humans today, and people 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:21.320 still don't know what intelligence is. Like it's easy for 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.000 us to look back in twenty twenty four with the 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.960 benefit of retrospect, and we have to realize that as 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:30.640 you are listening to this now, you are standing on 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:35.440 the shoulders of ancestors, the vast majority of whom are dead. 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.320 And all the modern benefits, all the things that make 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.560 humans seem quote unquote smarter, now they're a result of 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:48.840 a lot of people screwing up, you know, and maybe 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:54.120 one out of just cocktail math here, maybe one out 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.320 of one hundred thousand figured out something cool. 0:07:57.480 --> 0:07:59.640 I guess that's part of my question or my point 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:03.520 maybe is like about the nature of human physiology over time, 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.160 Like certainly we've developed parts of our brains that over 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:10.320 time have gotten bigger, you know, because of certain tasks 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:12.200 we no longer had to do, and then parts of 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:13.880 the brain that no longer need to do that thing 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.480 can evolve to do another thing, and etc. So I mean, 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:18.640 I'm not a brain scientist, but I know that there 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:20.720 are studies that look at the development and the evolution 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.880 of the human brain. But the majority of that stuff 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:29.760 is caused by ideas and exchanges of ideas and concepts 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.520 and things that are learned behaviors. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:35.120 Right, the modern human benefits from things like better control 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:39.600 over the environment, better access to education, progress towards the 0:08:39.679 --> 0:08:44.520 eternal struggle for sanitation and public health. Like you know, 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:48.000 let's be honest, if you were hearing this now, fellow 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:55.040 conspiracy realist, please please understand, you would not be some crazy, 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.560 awesome wizard if you traveled back in time. And that's 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:02.000 not a ding on an anybody. It's just noting that 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:07.000 most of us today as individuals do not understand the 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:12.000 breakthroughs from which we benefit. We would be hard put 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:17.120 to replicate those breakthroughs and innovations if we like, if 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.199 you travel back before the invention of steel. 0:09:21.320 --> 0:09:22.600 Do you know how to do that? 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.680 Do you know how to make steel? Right? I mean, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:31.240 I think we just civilization maybe looks down or looks 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:35.360 as scance on people of the past. And it's especially 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:40.560 rich when we understand we do not have actionable definitions 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:45.360 for intelligence or consciousness. We do know some people appear 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:50.040 to have knacks for certain genres. We could call them 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:56.920 of intellect, Like some people have innate musical talent right now, 0:09:56.920 --> 0:10:03.120 as you're listening, We're very privileg to have some real 0:10:03.280 --> 0:10:07.160 titans here. Like, no, Matt, I'm not blowing smoke. You 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:12.240 guys are incredibly talented musicians. You're super good at it 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:16.680 to a level that not everybody can attain realistically. 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:19.320 Even that's a nature nurture question too, because I mean, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:21.480 I grew up with musician parents and I was constantly 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:24.320 surrounded by it. But I mean, I don't know your situation, 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:27.120 but you know you certainly made choices early on to 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:30.280 improve those abilities. Maybe you had some of it innate, 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:33.600 but then you got good at it by repetition and 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.040 by like being in the jazz band and then playing 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:37.480 drums and being in bands and stuff. 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.480 Right, Yeah, a lot of those kinds of skills end 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:45.840 up being, like you said, a choice to improve. But 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:52.000 I I would just say, anybody who is skilled in 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:55.319 those things deals with the same things that are also 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.640 innate to all these humans that follow that trail all 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:03.680 the way back. Things like boredom, like mental boredom, physical stress, 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:07.040 and like being tired, right, and like being exhausted and 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.760 worn out, and all of the things that you know, 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.959 we could if we could improve right, not getting bored, 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.920 not getting tired, those kinds of things that you could 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:22.200 use drugs for. There could be major, major benefits to 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.720 anyone's trying to improve in one thing or another, whether 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:30.080 that's music or you know, understanding mathematics more or whatever 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:30.960 the pursuit is. 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:36.320 Yeah, great point, Matt. Also, some people seem to intuitively 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:43.240 understand math. In colloquial I guess Western society they call 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:46.360 it having a knack for a thing. We also know 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:51.319 the human animal is out of all the animals living. 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:56.080 The human animal is the thing that said, I don't 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:01.440 have to spend millions of years evolving and create tools. 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:05.280 The human is the great artificer. The human says, I 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:10.160 will build things to better my experience. The human is 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:13.000 the machine that seeks to hack evolution. It is a 0:12:13.040 --> 0:12:18.240 machine that is built to improve upon itself, which hadn't 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:23.640 happened before improvable history. And you know, humans have spent 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.920 a lot of time on this endeavor, on this hustle. 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:32.960 You know, there are efforts like eugenetics, which is problematic 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:37.280 deep stain or racism and pseudoscience, and then there's stuff 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:41.199 like you know, humans always figure out how to do 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:45.480 more with less remote work is an example of that. 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.679 Drone warfare and mass surveillance are examples of that. Social 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:56.040 media manipulation, certain chemical substances. Humans love a chemical substance. 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:59.760 They're not alone in that one. Dolphins get high, you know, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:01.440 elephants get drunk. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:02.480 Is. 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.440 Humans are figuring out some really weird stuff. 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:10.120 Yeah, Speaking of the music side of things, I actually 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.120 had a really interesting interview when I was traveling into 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:16.280 this music festival and these two really incredible producers, Guy 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.679 ag Cook and the sud goes By Sego Bodego. We're 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:22.360 having this really cool conversation about their creative process. 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:24.160 And Sego Bodega, who's. 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.800 This uh thing, he's Irish producer whose name, real name 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.880 I don't remember. He was saying, like, you know, a 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.559 lot of what inspires him as this idea of why 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.839 do we have to sleep? Like the question of why 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.240 can I supply myself with all the nutrients that I 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.440 need to subsist and be supposedly, you know, have enough 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.440 death of calories or whatever to keep me going, and 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:47.800 yet no matter what, eventually, inevitably I am going to 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.680 have to sleep. And people take drugs like amphetamines and 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:55.000 uppers and even energy drinks to try to not sleep 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.080 as long as possible, but inevitably that bill comes due 0:13:58.200 --> 0:14:01.680 and the human machine to power down at some point. 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.120 So that's the whole limitless idea is what if we 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.800 could do something like get rid of the need to 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:07.559 sleep entirely. 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.480 Think about how much more productive we'd be, you know? 0:14:10.000 --> 0:14:12.480 Or if you could remember absolutely everything that you read? 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:13.360 Yeah? Right? 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.320 Can you? Can you take a substance that gives you 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:17.680 a more photographic memory? 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:18.560 Ah? 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.560 And here we get to the crux of it. We're 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:27.640 not talking about substances like LSD or you know, synaesthesia 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:32.480 producing whose synogenics. We're not talking about recreational drugs. It 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.840 might alter your mind state in an enjoyable way that 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.600 makes you maybe feel a little better at things than 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.720 you actually are. We're talking about a group of compounds 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:45.440 that could, in theory, make that you a better you, 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:49.640 higher executive functions like you're talking about matt better attention, 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:53.640 better listening skills, and ability to focus, to retain, to 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:58.520 synthesize information, perhaps even onto the idea of ediotic or 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.880 graphic memory. This brings us to new tropics and attempt 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:10.280 to fix processes or improved processes the humans do not 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:15.440 yet fully understand. So tonight's question, can a pill really 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:20.080 make you limitless? Will pause for a word from our sponsor. 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:31.080 Here's where it gets crazy. I guess it defined. I 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.680 guess it depends on what we mean by fix fix. 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:40.480 Yeah, we have seen new tropics defined as in a 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:43.840 bunch of different ways. We've got a couple here that 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.240 it's pretty much what been described right before we went 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:50.240 to the break. These are substances, an umbrella term for 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:55.680 substances that purport to boost creativity and memory and cognitive 0:15:55.720 --> 0:16:01.800 abilities of all sorts, any brain function basically, or anything 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.840 you could tie to your brain having power over whatever 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:09.040 it is. New tropics might and probably would fit under that. 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.880 And they're supplements, by the way. They they're not drugs. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.920 There's some of them, there are few, but most of 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.880 them are just supplements you get over the counter. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:24.480 Yeah, the question is, uh, what the question? People miss 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.560 In a lot of these excited pieces of ad copy 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:34.000 and these weird Silicon Valley ted talks, they're conflating cognitive function, 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:38.360 which we do understand, with intelligence, which we do not. 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.920 Cognitive function is best to find as a series of 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:52.080 distinct abilities and the measure of those abilities in your brain. 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.360 So new tropics are often called on the street. Smart 0:16:55.400 --> 0:17:00.920 drugs are memory enhancing substances or cognitive in answers. I 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:03.720 would like to give a very special shout out to 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.600 our long running shadow producer. One of my favorite new 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:09.159 tropics caffeine. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:13.800 Yeah, okay, wait really so yeah. When I'm talking about 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.760 like the ability to stave off sleep or to sharpen 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:21.720 our mental acuity a little bit, I guess my initial 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:26.280 go to is something like caffeine or nicotine or you know, cocaine. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:29.440 You know, I mean stuff that like like the soldiers 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.639 would take so they could go, go go and like 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:32.960 never have to back down. 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:38.440 Right, Yeah, it's always a blitz, right, it's always Halloween 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:39.240 in America. 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.679 Well, and for me, jumping in with caffeine is stuff 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:49.000 like vitamin B six and B twelve, nice riboflavin. I'm 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:51.760 not really sure why. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.320 Tarn hauene would be another ye. 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.280 Chromium that sound dangerous? 0:17:56.560 --> 0:17:59.240 Could you shoot some chromium right into my neck? It 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:03.679 sounds like apptop. You know B twelve people get that, like, 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:07.440 you know, touring bands for example, like rock and roll lifestyle, Right, 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.440 they'll have a doctor on staff that'll shoot their ass 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.320 up full of B twelve when they're flagging a little bit. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:20.280 Scientology will force you to ingest superhuman amounts of niocin. Also, uh, 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:23.800 the active I think the real kick people get from 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:28.879 things like five hour energy drink is a composition of 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:34.760 vitamin bees and vitamin bees. Makes me think of ingesting 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.920 just bees. These folks don't eat bees. Let them make 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:38.399 the honey. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:43.560 Eat the honey. That's very unpleasant thought bees called me 0:18:43.600 --> 0:18:46.320 in the morning. You never it might sting a little 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.240 going down, but I promise it's worth it perfect. 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:54.560 Uh. Neo Tropics are Nootropics are again, as you were saying, Matt, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:19:03.000 they are a dangerously vague umbrella tur The term includes 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.399 prescription medications, but also it also includes a lot of 0:19:07.440 --> 0:19:13.760 supplements that have no sort of oversight whatsoever. They are 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:18.000 in general going to be called nootropics if they again 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:23.760 purport to improve some aspect of your cognition, your thinking, 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:27.239 your memory like Saint John's will make you in a 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:31.560 good mood, et cetera, your attention, your creativity, your motivation. 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:37.120 And we know that by far the most common nootropic 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:42.080 substances are at this point stimulants and the ones that 0:19:42.119 --> 0:19:47.919 are prescription their FDA approved. The Federal Drug Administration in 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:54.520 the United States is currently on board with a bevy 0:19:54.560 --> 0:19:58.360 of neotropics as long as they are aimed at improving 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:05.720 attention DEFICI, hyperactivity disorder, and symptoms of dementia or Alzheimer's. 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:08.840 Those are the only ones that are kind of real. 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.800 Yeah, if you want some amphetamine salts, you can get 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:15.720 those if you get a prescription, which is harder and 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.159 harder to get nowadays. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.840 For like I would, but I keep napping, Matt Man, 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.040 Chris slacking off, dude, get to it. 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.359 Get limitless every two hours, like you take twenty minutes 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:27.879 or whatever. 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:32.080 It adds up, right, How people attempted things like that, 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.960 or like there's like, you know, kind of hogwash lore 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.920 about CEOs that only nap five minutes in the time 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:39.240 or something like that. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.520 Well, I know we dabbled in it, Ben, I think 0:20:42.560 --> 0:20:44.320 you went harder on the paint than I did. I 0:20:44.720 --> 0:20:47.679 tried for a little while back in the day doing that. 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:49.960 I forget who we learned about. It was somebody really 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:53.520 famous that we learned about. Did it pretty effectively. 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.200 Talking about polyphasic sleep. 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:57.520 Yeah, not for me. 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:03.679 Man, Genetically, I am one of the folks who doesn't 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.800 doesn't jibe with the eight hour every twenty four hour formula. 0:21:08.040 --> 0:21:11.320 So you know, yeah, we'll see how it works out. 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.720 But the only time will tell. Only time will tell. 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:16.119 Uh. 0:21:16.359 --> 0:21:22.160 The issue is that outside of the prescribed stuff, outside 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:26.040 of those you know, like the Adderalls, the Riddlins and 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.720 so on, there are a lot of self proclaimed new 0:21:29.760 --> 0:21:34.040 tropics that make some pretty bold assertions and a lot 0:21:34.080 --> 0:21:36.479 of the Even though a lot of the prescribed stuff, 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:39.840 a lot of the stuff the FDA and other regulatory 0:21:39.920 --> 0:21:45.359 bodies agree to, they still encounter what we'll call off 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.680 label use. Maybe we talk a little bit about off 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.439 label use, most famous example recently being no zembic. 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:54.840 I mean, I've had a lot of experience with off 0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:58.000 label use everything from like this is sort of a 0:21:58.080 --> 0:21:59.800 thing for this but it kind of works like a 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:00.920 type to pressant. 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.720 It seems to be really positive for some users. 0:22:04.080 --> 0:22:07.359 And you know, I think I've been open about the 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.679 fact that I tried, like, what's a compounded version of 0:22:10.720 --> 0:22:12.200 one of those zepic. 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.760 Type drugs that it didn't work. Wasn't for me. 0:22:14.200 --> 0:22:15.919 I read too much about it, and it freaked me 0:22:15.920 --> 0:22:17.679 out and I discontinued very quickly. 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:18.880 But I'm shocked. 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:21.240 I went through a period of sleeplessness many years ago 0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:23.639 where I had really bad insomnia and the doctor was 0:22:23.680 --> 0:22:26.720 more than willing to prescribe me something off label that 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:28.119 would help with my insomnia. 0:22:28.160 --> 0:22:30.880 It didn't at all, But it was shocking to google. 0:22:30.600 --> 0:22:33.000 It and realize what it was originally for, and they 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.520 seemed completely unrelated, and just I don't know, goes to 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.600 show that it's really is kind of practicing medicine. 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:38.120 What are you loving? 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:46.360 Look at? Ben was given just this really interesting Oh 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:50.960 I know, I know. I'm sorry you were so concerned 0:22:50.960 --> 0:22:57.000 about like like, oh my god. 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:57.320 Those pastors tried to judy you know. 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.080 That's the thing and I've talked about I recently talked 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:04.199 about to like, you know, my father, institution of him 0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:08.520 being prescribed stuff off label for certain you know, psychologics. 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.520 I just don't care for it. It's like, that's what 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:14.919 I'm getting at. It seems very improvisational. This is what 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:16.120 I'm going is what I'm implying. 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:19.720 Yeah, it's medicine. The space for jazz Ooh. 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.560 Yes, maybe it moves to the beat of jazz. 0:23:22.600 --> 0:23:25.080 It's a real cosmic gumbod. 0:23:26.640 --> 0:23:31.040 I was just watching Rewatching the Righteous Gemstones, and there's 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.439 a moment where Jesse Gemstone is like celebrating and he 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:36.919 goes behind his desk and he's like, all right, baby, 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:41.520 I'm a popin Adderall. But like as though it's just 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.240 a drug that he has that he's not using for 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:46.359 actually what he is supposed to be using it for. 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:48.040 It's just he's going to celebrate with it. 0:23:48.080 --> 0:23:54.360 I guess, yeah, yeah, Adderall, when you're here your family, Yeah, sorry, Adderall. 0:23:54.480 --> 0:23:58.040 Is also, of course, I love that we're alluding to this, 0:23:58.200 --> 0:24:04.320 the the historical weaponization of these substances in times of war, right, 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:10.600 like methamphetamines obviously played a huge role in World War 0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:15.960 Two for sure and in later wars. And spoiler you 0:24:16.000 --> 0:24:18.200 don't have to write in if you don't want to, folks, 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:21.280 but we have it on good authority. There are still 0:24:21.320 --> 0:24:25.160 some US Air Force and US Navy folks who are 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.440 prescribed amphetamines for some long range. 0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:30.880 Flights or something very similar. 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:37.320 Yeah, something not quite there, But these medications. When we're 0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.239 talking about off label, what we're saying is some of 0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:44.359 these stuff that is used to treat dementia and ADHD. 0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:49.199