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Speaker 1: It's lines and times. I'm Spencer Graves. A good friend

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Speaker 1: of mine is jumping in. Her name is Anna von Nostren.

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Speaker 1: You can find her Anna the Outdoors on Instagram. You've

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Speaker 2: Couple of years. Idea about that?

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Speaker 1: Then, what do you mean?

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Speaker 2: Well? I mean like, how do you know what influence

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's actually a good way to put it. But

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Speaker 1: you do understand that you have a pretty strong influence.

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Speaker 2: No, and I really like talking about it. I mean no,

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Speaker 2: I don't. I mean I run tournaments. Like the things

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Speaker 2: I do people don't even know exists. So it's like,

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Speaker 2: how do people even know where I am or what

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Speaker 1: Well, there's definitely a subculture of people who find influencers

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Speaker 1: in the hunting space as attractive women. They're not used

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Speaker 1: to seeing that, So you probably garner some followers because

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Speaker 2: You've got what are you even saying?

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Speaker 1: Are you you don't think that's true that the.

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Speaker 2: Majority of influencers in the hunting world are hot fake women? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: How does that feel?

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Speaker 2: How does that feel to me? I don't care. They

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Speaker 2: can't do what I do. So if people choose to

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Speaker 1: Are duped into a false fe album. Yeah, because but

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Speaker 1: have you seen that, Like from all your trips, in

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I don't see that because I'm not in

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Speaker 2: that scenario. Like, you can't fake my world. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like this is a group setting kind of thing, so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta be good, Yeah, if.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna fake it. So in my world, there aren't

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to the beginning. You're Georgia girl born

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Speaker 2: It's no intro. I'm like, are we just beuessing right now? What?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it doesn't even matter.

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Speaker 1: Why you've gotten to that age. You've gotten to that

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Speaker 1: What do you mean that clock is ticking? Well?

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Speaker 2: I joined the martial arts gym just to give me

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Speaker 2: But it was just one of those things was just

440
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:56,399
Speaker 2: meant to be.

441
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,439
Speaker 1: So then when you started doing these professionally where you

442
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 1: started hosting your own it's kind of the best of

443
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,280
Speaker 1: both worlds. Like you had a professional life that wasn't

444
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,800
Speaker 1: working out. Now all of a sudden, you're doing something

445
00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:12,440
Speaker 1: professionally that is working out and you're getting kind of

446
00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 1: a therapy lesson while you're getting paid.

447
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: Well. Yeah, And the crazy thing about is like I'm

448
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: so motivated by a mission instead of money now because

449
00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,199
Speaker 2: I just saw how much it changed my life. Like

450
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 2: I say all the time, like shotgunning saved my life,

451
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,520
Speaker 2: you know, and people are like, what in the world,

452
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,920
Speaker 2: But it really did. It put me on a path

453
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: of happiness and it really just put me where I'm

454
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 2: supposed to be. So at the end of the day,

455
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,000
Speaker 2: I was trying things. Yeah I was good at them,

456
00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 2: but it just wasn't where God wanted me to be.

457
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: What's your mission now?

458
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 2: Well, my mission now is is you know, a lot

459
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: of times I get pigeonholed into like a women's shooting

460
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 2: industry just because I'm a female.

461
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: But there is a big space that's needed for that, though.

462
00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: There is, but we don't have nearly the amount of

463
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,199
Speaker 1: women involved in shooting in the outdoors as we should

464
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: correct But.

465
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 2: At the same time, like eighty percent of my clients

466
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 2: are males, So that's something that people just don't really

467
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 2: like think about. They just assume that just because I'm

468
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: a female, that I just coach females, and that's really

469
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 2: not the case at all.

470
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: Is it exciting for you when you can get a

471
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 1: woman interested and involved in the outdoors?

472
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, and especially if they're committed to it. So

473
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 2: you know, the mission right now is just to show

474
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: people how there's a lifestyle out there that is nurturing

475
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: and full of amazing people. And of course, you know,

476
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 2: we haven't even talked about the dogs, but it's just

477
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,360
Speaker 2: rewarding all the way around, and so to share that

478
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: and to share what it's done for my family and

479
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: how it's unified us and it's given us something that

480
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,600
Speaker 2: we all enjoy together. I mean, my parents aren't hunters,

481
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: but they love the lifestyle part of what we do,

482
00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: so they always tag long and they're doing that part

483
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 2: of it. Even though the girls and all their hunters

484
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 2: they're hardcore hunters.

485
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yours?

486
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so yeah.

487
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: I mean it's almost it's almost impossible to think that

488
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 1: they would do something other than that.

489
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 2: Well, and then what has been the coolest thing right

490
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: now to brag on jac? I thought I'd lost her.

491
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,560
Speaker 2: She just she's in the agworld, right. So she was

492
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 2: in horses and I'm like, god, how old is she now?

493
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: She's nineteen? OK, So if I can ever get out

494
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 2: of horses, like, oh, well, actually maybe have retirement. Oh lord.

495
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 2: So so she ended up down at a BAC and

496
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: she is rocking school and that place is amazing for her,

497
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 2: and she has found her place in conservation. So she

498
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 2: really has her mind made up that she's going to

499
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 2: law school and she wants to work for Ducks Unlimited,

500
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: and she wants to be on the policy side of

501
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: the outdoors. And so, you know the things that I

502
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: did in the events that I drug her to, and

503
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: there were times where she was like serious, like I

504
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 2: can't believe we have to go to another banquet, we

505
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 2: have another event, or you're gonna make me shoot. Every

506
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 2: single Sunday we were on the road three hours to

507
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: go to practice. When I was coaching these kids on

508
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon, you know, and it was like it'd take

509
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 2: up her whole day. You know, you hit church, drive

510
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 2: over the mountain, go shoot with a handful of kids,

511
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: drive back. She was time for her to get her

512
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 2: homework done and start on Mondays. And so she did

513
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 2: that for a solid year and last year is a freshman.

514
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: She text me and she said, thank you so much

515
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: for giving me these skills, Like I now see how

516
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,879
Speaker 2: they brought so much Joey into my life. And I

517
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: have these amazing friends and you know, they're hunting before

518
00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: school or hunt after school, and she just has her

519
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: own world.

520
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: Now what do they say, you teach a kid to

521
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: hunt and you'll never hunt your kid.

522
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's good one. I've not heard that. But yeah.

523
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 2: So she's made it her own. She's made it her own.

524
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: And the friends that I've had that have nurtured me

525
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 2: along the way and open doors for me, I have

526
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,159
Speaker 2: taken her under their wing. And she's doing amazing successful

527
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: things and volunteering all over the place.

528
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 1: You brought up conservation. I want to tell you a

529
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: story about Sci and how SCI was able to really

530
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: help out the conservation effort because as hunters I really

531
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: feel there's a strong disconnect between people who don't appreciate

532
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: hunting and people who hunt. Are on completely opposite ends

533
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: of the spectrum. But the one thing that always comes

534
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: back to the center is animal and animal management.

535
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 2: Right.

536
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 1: Hunters and conservationists, they are one in the same. Now

537
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: that your daughter's going through this, there's a story with

538
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: sci that made it so abundantly clear to me. There's

539
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: a guy who has a duck club in Alabama. It's

540
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: been there for years, been in the family for years.

541
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: It's a known duck hunting club. Well, next door there

542
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: was a piece of property for sale and somebody wanted

543
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: to buy it and they wanted turned into a school.

544
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: What happens, the duck club is now in danger of

545
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,680
Speaker 1: losing their ability to hunt because a school is opening

546
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: up right next door and you can't have firearms within

547
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: one hundred yards of a school or whatever it might be.

548
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: The property owner was worried that he was going to

549
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: lose his farm that's been in his family for years.

550
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: It's a known entity in that area as a duck

551
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: club called Ducks Unlimited. They couldn't do anything for him.

552
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: Called a couple other conservation groups. They couldn't do anything

553
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: for him. He called SCI, and within a month SCI

554
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,159
Speaker 1: had the injunction put out. The guy was able to

555
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: keep his land. The property owner that wanted to put

556
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 1: up a school had to find something else, had to

557
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: go to another place. Because SCI only wants to protect

558
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 1: people's right to hunt. The beautiful part of all this conservation,

559
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: I know you see it day in and day out,

560
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: is the money that's spent on licensing, the money that's

561
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: spent on gear, the money that's spent on AMMO and

562
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: some guns. A lot of that money's allocated back to, say,

563
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 1: leaving the land to give these animals an opportunity to grow.

564
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: If you look at the numbers, especially white tail deer

565
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: turkeys in North America, those populations have exploded way more

566
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: now than they did even one hundred years ago when

567
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: people thought that there was more animal life out there,

568
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: and it's all because of hunting.

569
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. So we actually met through SCI, you and I sure,

570
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 2: yeah we did. And both of us are such believers

571
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,360
Speaker 2: in the organization because they are the ones that put

572
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: themselves on the line to protect our rights and they're

573
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 2: the only ones that do that. And we both have

574
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: a mission to share what they do because I think

575
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: that the hunters in the industry assume that the organizations

576
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 2: that they give to that are about habitat and conservation

577
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 2: are also on the same page of hunting rights, and

578
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 2: they are not, and they're not, and I think it's

579
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: just misleading because that's the target market right of finding fundraising,

580
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 2: and the people there are all hunters and that's what

581
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: they have in common. That they missed the fact that

582
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 2: a lot of the organizations are more habitat than hunting.

583
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 2: And so when I was reached out, you know, SCI

584
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: reached out to me or whatever, they really have to

585
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 2: invest a lot in wing shooting in the past, and

586
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 2: so it was a really big deal to me that

587
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 2: they valued our little bitty part of the industry because

588
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 2: we need them. And I've and I've seen the other

589
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: side of where you know, you can get lost in habitat.

590
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: But habitat's great and all, but if we don't have

591
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: our hunting rights, then you know, what good is that you.

592
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: Talk about wing shooting? Is it just upland game that

593
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: you like or are you also into the duck hunting?

594
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: Okay, well I am starting to get into the duck

595
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: hunting now I have two labs.

596
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 1: Now, and what kind are they? English Labs? Are they Americans?

597
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: They're American and they're I mean.

598
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: I won't judge you for that, but well.

599
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: That's okay, you can judge. We'll play games. I'll put

600
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: my dogs up against yours. Whatever.

601
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: Well, I have two pitbulls. They're not hunting dogs. I

602
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: just have I have a good relationship with a buddy

603
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: of mine that I duck hum with because before I

604
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: moved to Atlanta, I was living in Saint Louis, which

605
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: is one of the biggest areas for duck hunting, right

606
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: off the Mississippi River. And we used to run this

607
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: dog named Duke, and he is a English black lab

608
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: and his head is massive and his body's big. But

609
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: when he sat in the blind, he was so stoic.

610
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: He would never take his eyes off the horizon, and

611
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: he could spot ducks hundreds of yards before we would

612
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 1: even see them. And as soon as he got locked

613
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: into a group, then we knew up, we gotta chill

614
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: out and we gotta pay attention. So I just have

615
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: this affinity for English labs.

616
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: But what's your judgment against American You don't think that

617
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: they can watch ducks fly this guy.

618
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: No, honestly, it's a joke. But that's the thing that

619
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I love about dogs is dogs have such a personality,

620
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: and I really do believe that a good hunting dog

621
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: is a good hunting dog because of the training and

622
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: the handler. A handler's a bit.

623
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: Genetics is where it all starts. You gotta have the

624
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: genetics to build everything else. But you're right, it takes

625
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: all three. But with the lab world, I mean we

626
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 2: upland on our labs and turn them a hunt. But

627
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: they are also waterfowl trained too, so they actually can

628
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 2: do everything.

629
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 1: Do you see a different kind of enjoyment for them

630
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: water compared to running through grass? Like, do they get

631
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: excited about being in one environment compared to the other.

632
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: No, I mean it's.

633
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: All for them. It's just automatic.

634
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just automatic. So it's funny that you're judging

635
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: the different lab genetics because when I started, I'm back

636
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: with all those du boys, I was the only one

637
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 2: that didn't have a lab right, so I had my

638
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 2: shore hair, and I'm like, why don't want such a

639
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: gen dogs? I got the versatile dog, you know, And

640
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: so I talked so much smack to them all the time,

641
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: was so funny. So the hashtag short hair snob for forever,

642
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: I mean, people were starting to use it. It was really fun.

643
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: And then I ended up in Wisconsin and I ran

644
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 2: a tournament which i'd kind of got out of when

645
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: I was doing all my sporting clay lessons and shooting

646
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: tournaments and doing all that, And this sucked me back

647
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 2: into the tournament world. And I did phenomenal with these

648
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 2: labs after I talked so much crab about them for

649
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: so long.

650
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: You know, So was it hard for you to kind

651
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: of bite the bull up?

652
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 2: Oh heck no, I'm like, okay, new hashtag happy hypocrite.

653
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: There's bring on the trophies. Like I'll just keep winning.

654
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: I have no shame and just acknowledging what I was

655
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: missing out on.

656
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: Right.

657
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: So, like you're talking about you get all these duck dogs, Well,

658
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: the duck dog didn't bring me value when I'm out

659
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: chasing birds or I'm out running tournaments on quail, right.

660
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: So it wasn't that I didn't like them or whatever.

661
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,479
Speaker 2: It was just they just did to bring value at

662
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: the time of my life at that point. So then

663
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 2: once I was introduced to these upland labs and was

664
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: in South Dakota. I was like, man, my dog needs

665
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: to stay in the truck, like she ain't got a

666
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 2: chance with these roosters running like they are and all

667
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 2: this wet and everything. So yeah, you just gotta you know,

668
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: it's one of those things where sometimes you just don't

669
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,479
Speaker 2: know what you don't know until you don't know.

670
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: I've never hunted with anything in the waterfowl. I've actually

671
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: never been on an upland hunt. But what Yeah, it's crazy.

672
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: So I do have information for our call hunt and

673
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 2: we're going to get that done today. Already texted it

674
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: to Trevor.

675
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: Great So Trevor is a good buddy of ours. He's

676
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: a big member of the Chapter of Georgia sci But

677
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: as a duck hunter, you know, most of the time

678
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: when you're running on the Mississippi River, you've got some

679
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: pretty deep water. I mean, for me, I'm six five,

680
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of these duck lines that we would

681
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: have to go out to there were times where I

682
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: was chest eye in water, were coming about an inch

683
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: away from getting flooded. So I knew that needing to

684
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: have a big dog that could swim, that could get

685
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: through the water pretty quick was a big deal. But

686
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: here I've seen a lot of people running, you know,

687
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: like my first dove hunt in Georgia, a guy was

688
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: running a Britney Spaniel and it was so impressive to

689
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: watch because a dog that's really well trained and is

690
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: so good at their hunt makes a hunt ten times

691
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: more enjoyable. And then a dog that's not well trained

692
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: makes a hunt ten times worse.

693
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 2: Right, can ruin it.

694
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: So what is it about a dog? Like if I

695
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: if I was purchasing a dog for duck hunting, should

696
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: I purchase a dog and immediately send it off for

697
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: six to seven months to get trained and then come

698
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: back in or should I train a dog on my own?

699
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's all up to you know, the experience that

700
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 2: you want. I mean, of course, I'm I'm a believer

701
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 2: in you know, if you're gonna do it, you're yourself.

702
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: Can you really make that commitment because it's consistency is

703
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: gonna make the difference.

704
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: What's the commitment, Like, what's it take for somebody who's

705
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: thinking about getting a dog.

706
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: For a minimum of like four or five days training

707
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: in a week.

708
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: And how many hours a day? Three?

709
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: Four? No? I mean you can do it, you know

710
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: in maybe forty five minutes a day. But you've got

711
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: to have the setup, right, So you got to have

712
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: the land, you got to have the birds or ducks,

713
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: you know, water, you got to have access to all that.

714
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: So if you're living in a neighborhood, might not just

715
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 2: might not work as well as you think.

716
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: Is there a concern with some of the training material

717
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: that's out there, like somebody going down to Cabella's or

718
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: bass Pro and just picking up one of those little

719
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: training floating ducks like those are good in some applications,

720
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: but it's not the best way to teach your dogs.

721
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 2: Building your foundation. Yeah, we all use the bumper systems

722
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 2: on building foundations, but you got to move to the

723
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 2: real deal.

724
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: So once you get through the bumpers, like what happens,

725
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: Like now you're shooting over top of your dog with

726
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: a percussion cap and you're throwing a maybe a refrigerated

727
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: bird out into a field for them to get or

728
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: what do you like, how do you do it?

729
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, okay, so you're gonna start with your puppy

730
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 2: at like five months old. You're going to send it

731
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 2: off or bird intro, gun intro. It's really important that

732
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: these things are done properly. So we start off getting

733
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 2: them really bird crazy and they may bring it back,

734
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 2: they may not, depends on, you know, their natural retrieving abilities.

735
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: Then we move into the gun condition The gun conditioning

736
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: needs to be associated with the bird, so we're using

737
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 2: pigeons or chuck and training for this and every single

738
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 2: time that a gun goes off and it's associated with

739
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 2: a chase, so they realize that when the gun goes off,

740
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 2: they're looking for a bird. And so that's how we

741
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: start everything.

742
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: Do you think you can train any dog to be

743
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: a duck hunting dog or a waterfowl dog or a

744
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: wing dog that I would want that challenge, because I

745
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: mean I saw this video the last couple of years

746
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: of a guy with a Jack Russell terrier.

747
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard about it. I mean, it's not been

748
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 2: anything that I really want to do. I'm kind of

749
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: just stuck on enjoying my short air life and the

750
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 2: lab life.

751
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: So those are the only two.

752
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 2: Well that's just really what's been coming in. You know,

753
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: those have been the interest, I guess because of way

754
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: you promote and then you know there's there's people that

755
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,320
Speaker 2: recommend or that specialize in certain genetics. Right, So the

756
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 2: end goal is to be to train my own genetics. Right,

757
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,919
Speaker 2: So as a breeder, you breed and then you want

758
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: those dogs to return to your kennel.

759
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, you can have a pretty hard life if

760
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: you think about it. You've got anti hunting people coming

761
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: at you, and then you have anti breeding people coming

762
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: at you. How do you handle negativity?

763
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 2: Who has tom pay attention? Attention?

764
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: So you just move on?

765
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,359
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's like, I'm sorry that you just don't

766
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 2: get it. You know, like, if you want to choose

767
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 2: to live with out so much join your life than

768
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: go choose to be miserable.

769
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: How do you tell your girls to handle it? Because

770
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: I think women tend to get more negativity thrown on

771
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,719
Speaker 1: them publicly than men do.

772
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: Well, that might be true, I will say, though I don't.

773
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 2: I haven't had that certain scenario. And we were talking

774
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: earlier about like the women in the industry that maybe

775
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: aren't the best leaders, and you hear them often talk

776
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: about how they're attacked or whatever. I don't. I don't

777
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 2: get that. I don't have those scenarios.

778
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 1: You think that's because it's genuine, Well, I.

779
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: Don't know, but I'm extremely fortunate and think about it,

780
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: all the time about how grateful I am that I

781
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: have such an amazing large support system and even when

782
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: I didn't know anything, they didn't judge me and they

783
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: just helped me along, you know. So I don't I mean,

784
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: I have a hard time identifying with that because I

785
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 2: just don't have those problems. So I mean, of course,

786
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: with jac and the position that she's putting herself in

787
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: on a political side, I'm like, you better know what

788
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: you're talking about, and you better understand both sides, because

789
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: you got to find somewhere in the middle.

790
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: I think that's the truth. So that's the one problem

791
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: that I think that we face more than anything in

792
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: the hunting world is a lot of hunters they know

793
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: their position, but they don't really know the anti hunting

794
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: position because they can't understand can't why somebody would think

795
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: that way. But you have to kind of understand where

796
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: they're coming from to be able to tell them or

797
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: show them why that could be wrong or why it's

798
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: just leading them down the wrong path.

799
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes so much grace to let that passion down.

800
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 2: As a hunter who's had the experiences, who's emotionally invested,

801
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 2: who's you know, generational right and sees how the hunt

802
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 2: just hunting camp, not even like actually harvesting animals, brings

803
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 2: so much value to your life it's hard to to

804
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: remove that, to put yourself in a situation where people

805
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: don't know.

806
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,320
Speaker 1: I often tell people that a hunt is really only

807
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: successful when you're around the people that you're around, you know,

808
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: because most of a hunt is camaraderie, time spent with others, laughing,

809
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: enjoying the space that you're in, and then every once

810
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: in a while you get to celebrate some good kills

811
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 1: or good harvests, or however you want to say it.

812
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: So Blood Origins is an organization that does an amazing

813
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: job of taking all the hype out out of hunting,

814
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 2: and they're showing both sides. So they interview some really

815
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 2: big names in the industry and some will say up

816
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: and comers right about their journey and how they got involved.

817
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 2: But then they're also telling stories of people that are

818
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: against it, and why are they against it? And you know,

819
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 2: were they taught wrong? You know, were they raised an

820
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 2: environment that was just anti So that's what they believed, right,

821
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 2: because they never really had the experience on their own

822
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: to know the difference. So they were just going off

823
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: of what they were taught.

824
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: A lot of people right now, it's the imagery, you know.

825
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: The way that hunting is depicted is the way that

826
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: people feel hunting is wrong and sadly, I guess it's

827
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: not even sadly, but I have conversations with hunters now

828
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: about the way to utilize social media to explain that

829
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: hunting is way more than a picture of somebody cheesing

830
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: behind a dead body of an animal. As much as

831
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate hunting and love hunting, I don't think that

832
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: that's the only photo that needs to showcase what we do.

833
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about the conservation when you post

834
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: things on social media, you can probably see like, if

835
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 1: I post this type of picture, I can garner this

836
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: kind of interaction, If I post this kind of picture,

837
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: I can get this much likes. There are a lot

838
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: of people that post pictures of, you know, just one

839
00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: aspect of hunting. They forget tilling the land, securing a lease,

840
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: showing that you're building, like in the duck world, duck

841
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: boxes for wood ducks to kind of boost those populations.

842
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: We as hunters need to do a better job at

843
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: showcasing what we're doing for populations to help grow.

844
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, on the hunter's defense, because I think this

845
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: is a major misconception. Let's just say the Outdoor Channel,

846
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: for instance, right shows the hype. Well, they're marketing to hunters, correct,

847
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 2: So everybody wants to beat up on them for what

848
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: they're showing. But their mission and their purpose is not

849
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:41,439
Speaker 2: to bring in new people into the industry. So those

850
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,479
Speaker 2: things that you're talking about showcasing, well, that's the work

851
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 2: side of it, right. Nobody wants to be reminded of that.

852
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: So their market, right that they're advertising to, are the

853
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: people that are actually watching the Outdoor Channel. They're wanting

854
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 2: that hype. They're wanting to see the really cool situation

855
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 2: that just happened, and he understand the whole story, right,

856
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: And so these people are getting a bad reputation, but

857
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: the big picture is not even being looked at like

858
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 2: they're they're not putting this content out there to go advertise.

859
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: So it's a misjudgment. And you know, I understand that

860
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: we have to be careful as to how we portray

861
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 2: ourselves in the outdoors because we can't control who's watching.

862
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: But at the same time, they're not those people that

863
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: are showing their trophies or whatever, and then if you

864
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 2: want to get into the trophy thing, nobody does it

865
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,399
Speaker 2: better than sci Right, trophies are on their way out,

866
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: so we might as well take them, like that is

867
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 2: the mature animal to take. So people are against trophy

868
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: hunting don't even understand the lifespan of an animal. I mean,

869
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,800
Speaker 2: you know, like they're already showing the lack of knowledge

870
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: that they have into the outdoors if they're anti trophy hunting.

871
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: Anyway, I'd had a conversation on the next door app,

872
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: which I think is a great app for staying in

873
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: touch with what's happening in your neighborhood, and this woman

874
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: had posted that there was a deer in her backyard

875
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: it was limping and it must have been shot by

876
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: a hunter. And I asked to see a picture, and

877
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: she posted a picture and there's no visible mark or

878
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: impact or anything like that that it would be shot

879
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: by a hunter. So I asked her, like, what are

880
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: you seeing out of this animal that indicates that a

881
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 1: hunter was trying to poach this deer outside of the season,

882
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: And she goes, well, the deer is just limping and

883
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: there's no way that that could happen unless somebody shot it.

884
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: And I responded back with, well, it's a wild animal

885
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: lives outside. There are infections that animals can get hoof.

886
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: Rot is a big problem in the deer world. You

887
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,280
Speaker 1: see it all over the place that certain things happen,

888
00:43:55,400 --> 00:44:00,399
Speaker 1: especially with deer that live in suburban areas, not out

889
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 1: in the woods where they don't have the impact of

890
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 1: walking by a city trash can and being able to

891
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: eat a hamburger that somebody just got tired of.

892
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: Right.

893
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: There are so many people that are lost because they

894
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: don't understand, and that's okay, but they also need to

895
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,359
Speaker 1: be open minded to the education of why certain things are.

896
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: The amount of people that see a deer herd on

897
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,440
Speaker 1: the side of the road and go someone, call a

898
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: vet vets, don't deal with wild animals, Call a rehab center,

899
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: call your local DNR, your Division of Natural Resources. They

900
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: will get you in touch with who you need to

901
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: be with. It sounds so easy on our side, and I.

902
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: Can't, like, I can't put myself in the shoes of

903
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 2: the people that automatically just think we're barbaric. You know,

904
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: I don't know.

905
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't put myself in their shoes. I

906
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: can understand where they might be coming from, but it

907
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: is ignorance. It is a lack of information, lack of knowledge,

908
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: and a lot of that's on them, like they don't

909
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: want to take the time to understand. It's a lot

910
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: easier to complain about something than it is to find

911
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: out the real truth behind it.

912
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, there's it's so layered because

913
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 2: they're going to go to the grocery store and they're

914
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,359
Speaker 2: going to buy meat at the grocery store, and they're

915
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: so uneducated about what that is, and they they probably

916
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: don't even pay attention. But there's the arguments of you know,

917
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 2: the way that it was processed and truth be known.

918
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: Even if it's stamped USA, it doesn't have to be

919
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: raced here, it just has to be packaged here in

920
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: the USA. So yeah, I mean you could talk for

921
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: hours just about the legalities of the meat industry versus hunting,

922
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: and people do this all the time, but until society

923
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: that is against hunting wants to hear it, they're just

924
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 2: there's gonna.

925
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: Keep regurgitating the same stuff that.

926
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: They've always started thing. And so it is a really

927
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 2: sad story on our side because you and I are

928
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: in the world to just have an open door. Policies

929
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: create opportunities for them to experience something, right, So I've

930
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 2: always said, okay, well.

931
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: And that's kind of how you started all this anyway. Yes,

932
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: you gave somebody opportunity, women an opportunity to learn gun

933
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: safety and then come into it.

934
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I had no idea that the outdoor

935
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: industry was so big and that I could build a

936
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: career out of it when I first started, literally had

937
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: no idea. I just was doing what my family had

938
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: always modeled. If somebody wanted to go hunting, well they

939
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 2: just joined the whole family hunt. It was just normal.

940
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was. It was a lot of a

941
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: long journey of a lot of closed doors that put

942
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: me right where I needed to be at the end

943
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: of the day. But it's not an easy one because

944
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 2: we were constantly battling, like you say, and it is.

945
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: It is scary to think that there could be a

946
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 2: life with us having limitations. You know, I do have

947
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 2: friends in Europe and hear the horror stories about you know,

948
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: they have a gun safe in their house, they can't

949
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 2: share their lock code. There there's a police that is

950
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 2: set just to come and randomly check your gun safe,

951
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 2: to make sure that your guns are properly stored. You know,

952
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: there's I think in France, if it's rifle season, you

953
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: can have your rifle, but then you have to turn

954
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 2: your rifle in to get your shotgun out. I mean,

955
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: I'm talking like I wouldn't even know how to live

956
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: like that.

957
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: Well, and as Americans were afforded certain rights that you

958
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: know other countries. I mean, that's one of the reasons

959
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: we got away from Britain was the whole British rule

960
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: of how they handled things, and a lot of those

961
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: things still exist. Luckily here we have a lot of protections,

962
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: but we also have groups like SCI that only fights

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00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: for your right to hunt. The NRA only fights for

964
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: your right to own a gun and to have a gun.

965
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: And that's another thing that we did talk about a

966
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: little earlier, is knowing where your money goes when you

967
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: give them to certain groups, and even on the fundamentals

968
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: the basics of it, just knowing that SCI stands for

969
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: your right to hunt and the NRA stands for your

970
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: right to have a gun. Those are inalienable rights you

971
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: have those as an American citizen, but we.

972
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: Have to fight for them because we could end up

973
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: in a situation overnight, a lot faster than people will

974
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: want to acknowledge, where we would lose, lose our freedoms

975
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 2: to just have whatever we wanted.

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Speaker 1: Joining me today, Anna v Outdoors on Instagram.