WEBVTT - How Your Phone Spies on You & WiFi 7 Explained 0:00:00.800 --> 0:00:04.880 How your phone and car are spying on you. The 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.320 new website that reveals the best Internet in your area 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:12.440 based on real life speed tests. Walmart sells an Apple 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:15.960 laptop directly for the first time and it's quite the deal. 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:20.920 Plus your tech questions answered. What's going on rich Damiro 0:00:21.079 --> 0:00:25.720 And this is Rich on Tech broadcasting live from Los Angeles. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:26.200 Coast to coast. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:27.960 This is the show where I talk about the tech 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.120 stuff I think you should know about. It's also the 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.200 place where I answer your questions about technology. I believe 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:38.159 that tech should be interesting, useful, and fun. Let's open 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.120 up those phone lines at triple eight Rich one oh one. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.240 That's eight eight eight seven four to two four one 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:47.800 zero one. Give me a call if you have a 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:53.360 question about technology. Guests this week, we've got a couple 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:56.000 of them, as we typically do. We're going to talk 0:00:56.040 --> 0:01:01.120 to doctor Scott J. White, Associate Professor and director of 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:05.120 the George Washington University Cybersecurity Program. He's going to talk 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:10.720 about the security concerns with TikTok Kashmir. Hill, technology reporter 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:12.600 at The New York Times, is going to explain how 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.880 our cars spy on us and Dwight Silverman, freelance tech 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:20.000 columnists for the Houston Chronicle, will join to explain what 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:24.959 you need to know about why five seven. Well, this 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.920 whole debate over a TikTok band got me thinking just 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.600 how much data are our phones collecting on us? Yes, 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:36.360 we know they monitor things like our location. They know 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.000 exactly where we are, but how is that information shared 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.120 and what else do they collect? Now to find the 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:45.080 answer for this, I went to the app privacy policies 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:48.520 that both Apple and Google freely post online. These are 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.240 pretty much meant for developers because they are supposed to 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:55.080 disclose the types of information they collect using their apps 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:57.640 and the categories they fall into. And these categories are 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.720 quite revealing. So of course we know that Apple and 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.520 Google will allow the collection of location data, including your 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.200 precise or your approximate location. Now you've probably seen this 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:09.320 message when you first open an app. It says, hey, 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.480 do you want to share your exact location or do 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.160 you want to share your approximate location? 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:16.240 I always choose approximate. 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.440 Now, some of these apps have gotten pretty slick and 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:20.920 they won't even function unless you say precise, So of 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.760 course you have to go back and try precise and 0:02:22.760 --> 0:02:25.919 then they'll work, so be on the lookout for that now. 0:02:25.960 --> 0:02:28.959 Both platforms, of course, can collect personal information like your name, 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:34.120 your email address, your phone number, also financial information, payment details, 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.320 and with Google there's even a category for purchase history. 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:38.840 Not sure what that one's all about. 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:39.560 Now. 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.760 Health and fitness obviously a growing area. Many of us 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.519 are using our phones to count steps, work out, even 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.200 monitor sensitive health conditions that we may have. This, as 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:53.320 you might expect, is a treasure trove of information. Apps 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.520 can also scan through photos, videos, and even audio files 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:59.160 if we give them the permission. You might have noticed 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:01.600 with the latest version of iOS it asks you, hey, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.040 do you want to give access to all of your 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.280 photos or just some of your photos? 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:05.680 Why? 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:08.720 Well, because it turns out that some apps we're sort 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.280 of looking through pictures for information that might help them 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.880 GPS data. Where you took these pictures, where you go 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:19.640 very often the people in the pictures. Now, what you 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.800 tap inside apps and how you use these apps. 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:23.600 Is also recorded. 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:26.960 So every tap that you make inside an app, a 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:29.920 developer can see where did you navigate to, what did 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:32.240 you tap on first, what did you tap on second? 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:36.520 All this information is collected and potentially up for grabs 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:40.520 also the device identifiers, So what kind of phone are 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.839 you using, what size screen are you using, what your 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.960 phone is yours, what type of platform are you on? 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.200 All of this diagnostic data is collected as well. Now Google, 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.280 of course has They both have this thing like kind 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:57.080 of a nutrition facts label I call it for their apps. 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.640 So when you're looking at the app to download, look 0:04:00.680 --> 0:04:03.320 for that little box. It will show you some of 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.680 these things that an app is collecting. And if you 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.760 look at that, you'll realize why online marketing is such 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.680 a booming business, because they are collecting as much as 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.400 they can. Now here's where the two platforms differ. Apple 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:20.520 sort of parses out an entire category for sensitive info. Now, 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.960 this is what apps might want to collect on race, ethnicity, 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:31.160 sexual orientation, pregnancy disabilities, religious beliefs, your union membership, your 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:35.400 political opinion, and more. Google does not separate this information out. 0:04:35.480 --> 0:04:38.480 It lumps it into the much more harmless sounding personal 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:42.920 info category. Google also has a separate category for messages. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.880 This will allow apps to read your email, your texts, 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.000 and your other messages. Apple lumps this one in with 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:53.000 a much more harmless sounding user content. Yes, apps can 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.200 read your email and your texts and your other messages. Now, 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:59.720 for some reasons, this may be a use case scenario. 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.680 Say on Android, you download a third party app that 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:05.080 you want to use for your text messages. That's why 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:06.960 they would have to read it. But they also might 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.000 just say, hey, we want to read your texts, and 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:13.240 if you give them that ability, they could. Both platforms 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:16.120 have categories that let apps tap into your web browsing history, 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.240 although I'm not exactly sure how that one's used because 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.239 I feel like that should be pretty well guarded. 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:23.480 But that's an interesting one. 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:23.920 Now. 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.240 On Android, any old app used to be able to 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.239 see a list of other apps that you had installed 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.800 on your phone, but now they've limited this again. These 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.120 two platforms have gotten much more strict with these permissions 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.880 because they've realized they've been abused over the years. Apple 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.000 does not allow apps to look at your list of 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:43.520 other apps. That's pretty nice. Apple sandboxes things, which means 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.040 apps really can't see. 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:45.800 What other apps are doing. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.159 Both platforms, of course, have a category for contacts, which 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:53.239 allow an app to see even personal details like how 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:56.560 often you contact someone, how long you talk to them for, 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.960 and your call history. So yes, your app could no 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.880 particular people that you call and how long you call 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:06.440 them for. They also have a course calendar access that 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:08.719 could be useful for travel journaling and health apps. 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:10.279 But you could see how this could be abused. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.280 Apple's policy has some interesting new categories due to products 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:19.800 like the Vision Pro. This includes environment scanning. So I 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.599 realized this when I was using the Vision Pro that 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.480 wait a second, this thing could see all around me. 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.280 It can see my entire image of my house or 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:33.080 wherever I'm using this. So environment scanning collects image detection 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.560 of the user's surroundings along with head and hand movement. 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:41.200 Think about that for a bit. All this sounds pretty scary, 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.000 and yes, in many ways it is. These are some 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:47.560 eye popping data points that go way beyond just your location. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.160 In reality, I think it's actually a good thing that 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.600 Apple and Google have these categories because the more specific 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:56.919 these categories get, the better it is for us as consumers, 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.520 because we can say, yeah, you can do this with 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.400 my phone, but my hand movement information rather or not 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.680 you have that information. So as consumers, we need to 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:10.480 be hyper aware of the permissions and app asks. For 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.640 don't just download an app without looking, and don't just 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.880 flip through all of those little screens that say, hey, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.480 can we have permission of this? Can we have permission 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:19.480 of that? Everyone wants to speed through and just get 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:22.480 to the app. Look at what those screens are asking you. 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:23.760 They are very important. 0:07:24.680 --> 0:07:24.880 Now. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.600 Apps want to know about us as much as possible 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.600 because the more they know, the more they can target 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.680 us with better marketing or of course monetize this data. 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.120 A lot of these apps share this data with third parties. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.360 They sell this data. So why do you think an 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:41.200 app wants to get really popular, Because hey, we've got 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.200 information on one hundred million people. 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:45.360 That is very valuable information. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.960 And by the way, these people that are buying this information, 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.440 they're mixing it with other databases so they can get 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.679 a really good picture of who you are. So ideally 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.040 an app can collect our information to run properly, but 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:58.840 it would not sell this information to someone else, or 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.120 it wouldn't share that information to someone else. So again, 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:04.160 check those App store listings. Both Apple and Google have 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:08.000 some information about this on the App store listings. That's 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:09.600 what you want to check. Now here's the other thing. 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:11.960 Here's the big takeaway. Get your pencil on paper out. Now, 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:13.360 I'm just kidding. You don't have to. You can just 0:08:13.480 --> 0:08:14.880 hear this and you can go for the link on 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.400 the website. You can check on your phone to see 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.520 which apps are using which permissions, and you can revoke 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:24.320 these even after you've installed apps. So on the iPhone, 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.480 you can go into Settings and then Privacy and Security, 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.640 and you're going to see a whole bunch of categories 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:34.040 like contacts, calendar, microphones. Tap one of those categories and 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:36.000 you can see all the apps that can tap into 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:38.960 this stuff. So for Instagram, if you're not recording stuff 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:41.600 with your microphone on Instagram, take away the ability for 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.640 it to tap into your microphone. Same thing with Facebook. 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:46.760 It just makes sense if you don't need those things 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.360 to have access to that. On Samsung's same thing, you 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.280 can go into Settings, Security and Privacy and they call 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:55.720 it Permission Manager, and you can tap into categories including 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:59.280 body sensors, call logs, or location. Once again, you can 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.400 tap an app to change its permissions. On the pixel, 0:09:02.559 --> 0:09:07.679 same thing, go into Settings, Security and Privacy, Privacy Permission Manager. Yeah, 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:09.720 you see how they kind of hide these things down 0:09:09.800 --> 0:09:12.959 many many ways. You can tap into a category to 0:09:13.000 --> 0:09:15.720 see which apps have access there. Again, tap an app 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:20.640 to change its permissions. Hopefully, just by being aware of this, 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.640 you will understand how much data about you flows through 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.040 your phone, and you will help stop at least some 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:29.000 of that flow if these apps do not need it. 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:31.600 And by the way, I think that phone models, instead 0:09:31.600 --> 0:09:34.480 of the iPhone fifteen and the Pixel six Pixel seven, 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:37.160 they should just call every phone model double o seven, 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.120 because it's basically a little spy in your pocket. All right, 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.840 Coming up on today's show, I've got the website that 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.000 reveals the best internet service provider in your area. 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I do keep them on the software updated. However, 0:11:10.000 --> 0:11:15.160 the hardware is complaining. Now I need to get another 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:18.120 computer just because I need the hardware, and I decided 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.520 I want to get a laptop. I do not know 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:26.480 what laptop would be recommended. Also, I need a recommendation 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:31.920 for a printer that would be compatible with the laptop 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:37.880 that you recommend. I want an all function laser printer, 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:41.960 and that it'll have a theater a theater, and that 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.360 it'll have a color. Was that too much? Did you 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:44.840 get all that? 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:46.880 Yeah? I think so. 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:50.480 You want a laptop to replace the iMac, So you 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:51.400 want to stick with Apple. 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:53.120 I take it right correct. 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.400 All my devices our Apple, so they all think everything sync. 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:58.600 I want to keep it that way. 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:00.320 What are you doing on the computer. Do you need 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.400 to use it for a home. 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:11.960 I use well, I use the Microsoft that is compatible 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:16.240 with AMPLE. I also use pages and. 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:19.040 Any video editing. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.360 Video editor. No, I don't use. I don't use video editing. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:29.680 The videos that I use I take on my iPhone 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.719 and then you're transferred to the computer, okay, and then 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.120 I keep I keep the external hot drive along with it, 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:38.560 so if anything happens, everything is in the cloud. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:42.280 Well, it sounds like a MacBook Air is probably what 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:46.199 you need. And they just yeah, they just came out 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:49.200 with new ones a fifteen inch and a thirteen inch, So. 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:50.800 I personally how much how many inches? 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:54.600 Thirteen in thirteen and fifteen, So I personally would go 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.920 with the fifteen inch because I have a thirteen inch 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.960 laptop and I really can't deal with it. It's the screen 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:02.880 is just way too small. And now here's the thing. 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:05.959 Are you moving this laptop from your house ever? Are 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.600 you taking it on the go, like outside or like travel? 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.199 Reasons that I want the lamp, I like, the desktop 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.880 is just comfortable to use, and I've been using it 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:17.000 since for one hundred years. However, we need to go 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.920 someplace or I need service on it, I cannot. I 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.680 cannot move it. So I do want the laptop because 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:24.600 it is portable. 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:26.800 Well here's the thing. Okay, so you're gonna pay a 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:29.560 premium because of the laptop. You're gonna get less ports 0:13:29.600 --> 0:13:31.920 on it, you're gonna get less specs, You're gonna get 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:34.720 just less for your money because it is portable. So 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:37.959 I would say, if you don't need that portability, then 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:40.600 go with another iMac. But I think you're in luck 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.920 because this this MacBook Air just came out with the 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:44.440 new chip. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:45.920 It's the M three chip. 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.120 And you're telling me your last computer lasted eight years. 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:51.880 So that tells me that if you get even the 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.600 base model of this computer, which you know is about 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.400 you know, let's say it's twelve hundred dollars, let me 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:02.800 look how much it is exactly. But I'm book MacBook 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:05.400 Air fifteen, So i'd say the MacBook Air fifteen starts 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.560 at twelve ninety nine. Are you in education or anything 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:09.240 like that? Do you get any sort of discounts? 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:09.439 Oh? 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.559 So perfect, she'll get a little discount. Don't forget to 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:16.040 shop at the Apple Education store. But basic specs on 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.559 this are, you know, for twelve ninety nine, you get 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:21.920 eight gigs of memory and two fifty six gig hard drive. Now, 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.080 Apple likes to play a little bit of games with 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:27.760 their with the lowest end because it has a good 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:31.400 price that's advertised at twelve ninety nine. Personally, I think 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.200 everything gets better when you go one step up with 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:37.440 the Apple products. So it's fifteen hundred dollars that'll get 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.840 you more hard drive, and it may be a faster 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:44.120 hard drive too, I believe. Now, I personally would upgrade 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.920 that memory to sixteen because eight at this point is 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.640 kind of getting a little bit low for a laptop. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:53.240 So I think the base specs you want is sixteen 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:54.120 five twelve. 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.720 That's sixteen gigbytes, sixteen sixteen bit memory. 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:00.960 Sixteen gigs of memory yep, and then five hundred and 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.920 twelve gigabytes of hard drive. I think that's what undred 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.160 and five, yeah, twelve, five hundred and. 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.000 Twelve, five hundred and twelve. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:11.520 And then sixteen gigs of memory. 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:13.200 Now that's what five hundred and twelve. 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:16.960 That's the M three chip, which is going to give you, Uh, 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.880 that's their latest chip. This is the same laptop that 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.440 I'm about to purchase. So I think that's a great Now, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.160 that's one way of doing it. The other way to 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:25.840 do it is if you don't want to spend that much. 0:15:25.880 --> 0:15:28.280 If you don't spend feel like spending fifteen hundred dollars, 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:31.120 there is a new Mac or a new computer for 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.160 sale at Walmart for six ninety nine. Now, that is 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:36.000 going to be a computer that's a couple of years old, 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.760 so it's it is aging a little bit. But if 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:40.560 you just want to save money, I don't think you 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.600 should go that route. Because you've kept your computer for 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:45.920 eight years. So if you do the math on this 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:47.800 computer and you keep it for another eight years, even 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.400 if you're spending fifteen hundred bucks, that is still a 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:51.280 fantastic deal. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:51.680 You know. 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.640 That's you know, two hundred dollars a year. So I 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.160 think that's a great way to go for it. Now, 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.960 for the printer, I would just go with a lazy 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.880 Jet from HP. I would check Wirecutter for that, see 0:16:03.920 --> 0:16:05.320 what their latest recommendation is. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.160 But I'm pretty sure that. 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:11.360 HP is pretty much the game in town when it 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.920 comes to the color laser printers. So and they most 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:16.680 of them have that, you know that little thing you 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.320 want to the feeder on the top. So, Shelley and 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.560 Seal Beach, thanks so much for the call today. Appreciate it. 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:23.720 Good luck with the new laptop, and I think you're 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:26.240 gonna like it a lot. Let me tell you about 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.760 this before we go to break. Here there's a new 0:16:29.000 --> 0:16:33.840 speed test performance directory directory from Oukla. They're known for 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.040 doing the speed test. Everyone goes to speed test dot 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:37.680 net to do a little speed test to see how 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.560 fast their internet is. Well, now they've got they've taken 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:42.520 all that data on the back end, and now you 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:44.880 pop in your zip code on this website and it 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.040 will tell you all of the providers in your area, 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.480 if they have information on them, and the actual speeds 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:54.680 that people are getting from these internet service providers. Because 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.240 a lot of times the advertisements you see on TV 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.000 are mostly for the download speed. But this will show 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.920 you the upload and the download and the latency, which 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:05.560 is the time it takes from when you click a 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:07.679 link to something actually happening on your computer. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:09.159 The lower the number, the better. 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.000 You might even discover a provider in your area that 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:16.000 you weren't aware of, So the website speed test dot 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:18.800 net slash performance check it out. I'll link it up 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.119 on the website rich on Tech dot tv. Coming up, 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:24.640 we'll talk TikTok and a potential ban on the rich 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:30.040 On Tech Show. Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.919 Demiro here hanging out with you, talking technology at triple 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.280 eight Rich one O one eight eight eight seven four 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.159 to two four one zero one. You can find me 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:44.879 on social media at rich on Tech. I am on X, 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.440 I'm on Instagram, I'm on Facebook, and I think I'm 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.040 on TikTok, but I don't really post there, which brings 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.600 us to our next segment, TikTok. You have no doubt 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.200 heard that the US is trying to ban this thing. 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.200 This is a very popular app, one hundred and seventy 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.879 million users. It's based out of China, which I guess 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:10.280 is the concern with the US. And so far, the 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:15.119 House has passed a bill unanimously to ban this or 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:17.560 really divest it. We'll get into the details in a 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:20.680 second here, but now it's headed to the Senate, where 0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:22.119 we don't know if it's going to pass or not. 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.480 And then the President has also said that he probably 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.000 will support this. So this is a very real thing 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:31.520 and to talk about it. Let's bring on doctor Scott J. White, 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:36.240 Associate Professor and Director of the George Washington University Cyber 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.880 Security Program and Cyber Academy. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:42.119 Professor. Welcome to the show. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:43.680 Thank you very much. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:44.720 It's my pleasure to be here. 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.840 So let's talk about TikTok. This has been the topic 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.000 du jour here for a while. We heard this, I 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:54.200 mean I remember covering this a couple of years ago, 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:56.719 like I think it was during the pandemic, or right 0:18:56.760 --> 0:18:59.080 before the pandemic, there was a big to do about banning. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.719 This didn't happen. What's different this time around? 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:05.879 Yeah, I think, you know, it's a good question. I 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.520 think there's a lot of things that are different. I 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:11.600 think from our last election. You know, we had a 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:15.240 fair election in the United States, but it was it 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.440 was brought up by the intelligence community that there was 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:22.600 definite interference from China and Russia, and that interference really 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.240 came in the way of using social media, which both 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.720 of those countries are very good at being propagandists in 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:33.040 the worst possible way. So I think we're very cognizant 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:37.560 of the power that these organizations TikTok can have on 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:43.720 kind of manipulating people's decision making. But I think here specifically, 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.119 I think when you start looking at you know, China 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.720 being a surveillance society, it's the most surveiled society in 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:54.679 the world. You know, with the social credit system, you 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.440 could you could jaywalk across the street. Your picture gets 0:19:58.480 --> 0:20:01.800 taken by a camera on the street, it's digitized, your 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.960 name comes off on a central database, and you lose 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:10.639 points automatically, you know, no judicial procedure. This is the 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.280 fear in a liberal democracy, and I think these are 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.000 things that we have to be concerned of in a 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:17.600 never shrinking world of liberal democracies. 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.119 So we've got the app collecting data on you know, 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:25.000 millions of American users, and it's collecting the same data 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.200 that you know, many other apps like Instagram and Facebook 0:20:28.280 --> 0:20:31.280 and obviously these other apps on the same platforms are collecting. 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.080 But what's different about TikTok. What are they doing differently 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.880 as an app? Is it the fear of the connection 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.160 to China. 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:42.720 Well, I think, yeah, I agree with you. I think 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:43.399 that's part of it. 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:47.800 I mean, if you look at Chinese national intelligence law, specifically, 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:52.400 I recommend Article seven ten and Article fourteen. It makes 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:57.200 it very clear that all private sector companies must work 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.359 with the intelligence services. There are no warrants for acquired 0:21:00.440 --> 0:21:03.600 it's a phone call or it's an automatic you will 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.000 share your database with us. And again in you know, 0:21:07.080 --> 0:21:09.600 you like to think that, you know, the Internet is 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:13.000 a democratizing force and you know really shouldn't be used 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:16.840 as an intelligence gathering tool. But I think to your point, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.480 I think the scary stuff and we look, it's true 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.040 that you know, Snapchat, necks and the rest of these 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:28.080 do keep data, but TikTok keeps the most amount of 0:21:28.160 --> 0:21:31.600 data or tries to glean the most amount of data. 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:34.040 If we think of it in football analogy, you know 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.679 we're starting, you know, Facebook X is starting on the 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:41.240 fifty yard line, and you know the the Chinese are 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:45.120 starting through TikTok in the red zone. So, I mean, 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:48.520 they just collect so much information. And the information they're 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:54.120 going after is biometric face prints, retinal scanning, voice print identification. 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.240 That is really deeply technical. 0:21:57.640 --> 0:22:01.840 So when I upload a video to talk, it's scanning 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:05.560 my voice to understand to make a fingerprint of my voice. 0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:09.440 You're absolutely correct, that's exactly what's happening. They're also scanning 0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:13.240 your face and even your retina, So theoretically you could 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:16.520 be anywhere in the world if the Chinese are eaves 0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:19.399 dropping through their surveillance system, they will pick up your 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:20.600 voice print identification. 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.720 Is that documented? Is that? Like, where's that coming from? 0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:25.720 Oh, that's the way they do business. 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.120 Yeah, I mean, that's all part of the surveillance society. 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:30.760 And we know what's happening because they're doing They've already 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:31.800 done it with their own people. 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:33.280 We know what's occurring. 0:22:34.320 --> 0:22:36.320 Their social credit system is the basis of it. 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.919 Now, here's what's interesting because I you know, you know, 0:22:39.160 --> 0:22:40.800 it's it's one of these things where a lot of 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:42.840 people have made a living on TikTok, a lot of 0:22:42.880 --> 0:22:44.520 you know, there's been a lot of stars born out 0:22:44.520 --> 0:22:47.040 of TikTok. I mean there's you know, Justin Bieber, I mean, 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.439 didn't he come from TikTok? I mean so many of 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:52.320 these YouTube Pubo said, well, you know what I mean. 0:22:52.359 --> 0:22:54.040 But there's a lot of people that, you know, come 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.040 from this. So obviously there is a lot at stake here. 0:22:57.080 --> 0:22:58.840 It's not just like, hey, let's get rid of this thing. 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:02.320 Like small businesses have gone viral on this. So, but 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.800 when I was in China, I remember that I couldn't 0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:09.359 use almost any social network based in the US over there. 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.720 I couldn't use Twitter, I couldn't use Facebook, I couldn't 0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:13.400 use Instagram. 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:14.160 It was a pain. 0:23:14.880 --> 0:23:18.560 So and you probably used a VPN and even the 0:23:18.640 --> 0:23:21.920 use of VPNs. Now they're they're starting to block those. 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:25.520 You're correct, and the fact is that you know, our 0:23:25.640 --> 0:23:30.400 social media sites are not allowed in China, and as 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.640 an American traveling in China, as you say, to attempt 0:23:33.680 --> 0:23:37.000 to connect to your social media even through a virtual 0:23:37.040 --> 0:23:40.520 private network is difficulty. Beginning to corrupt that system as well. 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:45.280 So they're not playing fair. They're incredibly hypocritical in the 0:23:45.280 --> 0:23:48.640 way they do business. It's you know, will allow will 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:50.639 allow this to occur in the United States, but not 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:55.160 at home. H And that's not democracy. So I think 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:57.760 we have to understand exactly what the Chinese Communist Party 0:23:57.800 --> 0:23:59.760 is doing here. They're not a friend of the United 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:02.040 State and they're not a friend of democracies. 0:24:02.760 --> 0:24:05.320 What does this mean for other Chinese based apps? If 0:24:05.320 --> 0:24:07.080 you look at the top ten list of apps, I mean, 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:08.800 Timu is a huge app. 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:09.439 It's growing. 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:12.760 It had a Super Bowl ad and you know, I 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:14.760 get a lot of questions from people saying, hey, Rich, 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:16.919 is this safe for me to shop on? You know, 0:24:16.960 --> 0:24:19.560 you get a thing that maybe ten dollars on Amazon, 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.880 it's thirty nine cents on Timu, So yeah, you're right. 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:23.600 Is that next? 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.720 Well, Timo is very interesting, isn't it, because you know, 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:31.959 it's the fastest growing app of its kind through like 0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:36.359 Google Play or Apple Store. But if you look at it, 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:39.439 it's kind of fundamentally on the based on the social 0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:42.720 credit system because in addition to the low prices that 0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:50.399 you talked about, Rich, it also gives freestuff to people 0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:54.360 who promote their app. So the more you use it 0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:57.920 and the more you disseminate that app to your friends, 0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:02.480 the greater credits you back. And it kind of it's 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:04.960 a creepy way reminds me of their their kind of 0:25:05.040 --> 0:25:09.719 social credit system that if you play their game, you 0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:15.200 will be rewarded for it. And and you know, so yeah, 0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.200 it's I It's something we're gonna have to also look 0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.359 out for because the information you're supplying through your purchases 0:25:20.680 --> 0:25:22.520 is also collected by the Chinese government. 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:24.840 So if this ban goes through. 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.720 If this passes the Senate and goes to the President, 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.920 president signs it, they've got to do either divest this 0:25:30.920 --> 0:25:33.240 this company to an American company, or just goes away 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:35.960 like uh TikTok is saying, that's probably what's going to happen. 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:40.720 Does this have bigger implications for the US's relationship with China? 0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:45.119 Well, I think that any policy decision that that the 0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:49.760 United States makes that uh, you know, places China at 0:25:49.760 --> 0:25:53.720 a perceived or real disadvantage, will have some type of 0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:57.080 consequences to it. Look, I mean, as I say, the 0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:00.520 Chinese system is not a capitalist system. They don't have 0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:03.119 free and open elections. They you know, they don't have 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:07.399 a free judiciary or an independent judiciary system. So you know, 0:26:07.840 --> 0:26:12.720 again you're getting a communist dictatorship. Basically, are they going 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:16.360 to dictate to a sovereign liberal democracy? And I think 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:18.280 we're just going to have to be prepared to take 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.720 a few shots other countries have. We're just gonna have 0:26:21.760 --> 0:26:25.160 to prepare if we believe in democracy and through capitalism 0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:27.600 in a fair market system. If we believe in it, 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:31.399 then we have to show it. Look, we've taken apart 0:26:31.480 --> 0:26:34.160 large companies before. Just look at Bell, you know, Bell, 0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:38.600 Bell Atlantic, Bell Pacific. It's not uncommon to take large 0:26:38.680 --> 0:26:44.000 multinational companies and diverse them. So asking TikTok to be 0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:47.960 purchased by an American company, fine closure doors will have 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:51.840 the next day, you'll have an American competitor ready to 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:53.600 start up and meet that market need. 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:57.879 All right, we're going to leave it there. Doctor Scott J. 0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:01.920 White, Associate Professor and Director of the George Washington University 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.600 Cybersecurity Program and Cyber Academy. You want to make a 0:27:05.600 --> 0:27:06.760 prediction is this going to happen? 0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:09.440 You think it's going to be very interesting. 0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:11.680 I always said, you know, which is the political party 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.440 that's going to make that many young people upset? I 0:27:14.480 --> 0:27:16.440 think the Senate is going to hold it. I don't 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:18.480 think it's going to make it through the Senate in 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.800 a quick amount of time. So even if it does, 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:24.720 it may be the next election before we see that happening. 0:27:25.320 --> 0:27:25.600 Wow. 0:27:25.640 --> 0:27:28.680 Well, it certainly has a lot of people talking about 0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:30.760 it and a lot of people wondering if something like 0:27:30.800 --> 0:27:33.320 this can happen. But again, like I said, I think 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:34.959 it was three or four years ago that we were 0:27:34.960 --> 0:27:37.520 talking about this same exact thing, and it seemed like 0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:41.040 it was imminent, so we'll continue to watch it. Doctor 0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:43.600 Scott J. White, how can folks learn more about your 0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:44.680 cybersecurity program? 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:49.520 Going to our website at the George Washington University College 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:52.200 or professional Studies. All right, we'll be happy to answer 0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:53.320 any questions about the program. 0:27:53.480 --> 0:27:57.320 Thanks so much for the insight, really interesting conversation. Eighty 0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:00.800 to eight rich one oh one eight seven four to 0:28:00.880 --> 0:28:03.960 two four one zero one. Coming up, We'll take more 0:28:03.960 --> 0:28:05.600 of your calls and I'll tell you about the Roku 0:28:05.760 --> 0:28:08.400 data breach. What you need to know. You are listening 0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:20.440 to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich On Tech. 0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:25.760 Rich Tomuro talking technology with you at triple eight rich 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.040 one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four to 0:28:29.040 --> 0:28:34.760 two four one zero one. Bobo's playing a little Beatles today. 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:38.200 Watched a movie last night called Yesterday. Don't want to 0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:41.040 give away too much of the movie, but I think 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.480 this is common knowledge. But basically it's a world where 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.800 the Beatles were forgotten, I guess. And anyway, it's just 0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:51.920 a very interesting little movie. Like we only got halfway through. 0:28:52.440 --> 0:28:55.880 Of course I fall asleep, but that's just because I'm tired, 0:28:55.880 --> 0:28:57.760 not because the movie was bad. I tried to stay up. 0:28:57.800 --> 0:28:59.600 But it's a really good little movie. So if you 0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.360 have it, it's it's old, it's not like from twenty nineteen. 0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:04.960 But if you're looking for something to watch, like last night, 0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.360 and I've talked about this before on the show, you 0:29:07.480 --> 0:29:12.080 sit down and it's like the amount of streaming services 0:29:12.120 --> 0:29:14.160 and the amount of shows, and the amount of reviews 0:29:14.200 --> 0:29:17.360 and the amount of opinions out there, it's just too much. 0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:21.040 And so I get this decision paralysis where I just 0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.120 can't make a decision on what movie to watch. And 0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:25.880 I've even gotten to the point where I'll start it 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:27.320 and I'll be like, wait a second, let me, I'm 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.600 rethinking my decision. Let me try something else, and then 0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.160 it just ruins your Friday night. So anyway, just pick 0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.000 something to watch it. I think you'll like that one. 0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:39.320 Let's go to Adam in Los Angeles. Adam, you're on 0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:39.840 with Rich. 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:42.000 Hi. Rich. 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:45.240 I love your program. Thank you for all the great 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.240 advice that you've given other than to me. But I 0:29:48.280 --> 0:29:53.520 had a question about So I'm fifty four, I work 0:29:53.640 --> 0:29:57.280 at home. I do contracting work, compute a lot of 0:29:57.320 --> 0:30:01.840 computer work, and I have of a business computer from 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:04.840 my employer, but I want to buy my own personal 0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.840 computer because I do some side work from there. And 0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:13.640 I am wondering about the difference between what they call 0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:20.280 those larger tower pieces and the desktop PCs. So I'm 0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:23.240 wondering about what's the difference that I can't find anywhere 0:30:23.240 --> 0:30:25.320 that explains the difference between those. 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.560 Well, you call the right place, because I will explain. 0:30:28.640 --> 0:30:31.920 So it's funny, I just when you're talking, I realize 0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.640 that we used to have sort of a third form factor, 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.120 Like right now everything is pretty much a tower, but 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.400 there used to be that like sort of flat desktop, 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:43.600 remember where you put the monitor, like. 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.800 That giant monitor on top of that. But now most 0:30:45.840 --> 0:30:46.440 of are are. 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:50.080 Either like a mini desktop, like a mini tower, or 0:30:50.280 --> 0:30:52.239 I guess they sometimes they can go either way. They 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:53.960 can go flat on their side, or they can go 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:57.000 up and down, or you have those giant tower PCs. 0:30:57.040 --> 0:30:59.160 And of course, if you know any gamers in your life, 0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:02.600 they're the ones that always have the giant tower PCs. 0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:07.640 And the reason for that is mostly power and expandability. 0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:09.600 So if you have a. 0:31:09.440 --> 0:31:12.280 Big giant PC that has you know, a lot of 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:16.240 storage and space inside, you can add the peripherals that 0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:18.720 you want, you can add the cooling that you want, 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.840 you can add more hard drives, you can add more 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:23.680 graphics cards, whatever you need to put in there. You 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.880 can pop this thing open and put those things in, 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:29.880 and it also looks pretty cool. So when you talk 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:33.080 about a smaller computer, these you know, these profile or 0:31:33.120 --> 0:31:36.880 these slim line PCs, and of course down to a laptop, 0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.479 there is not as much expandability, there's not as much power, 0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.080 and you know they're gonna be quieter, they're gonna be 0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:48.040 just just a smaller, more you know, power efficient kind 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:51.080 of thing. So it depends really what you need to do. 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.240 So are you doing any kind of like drafting work 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:55.960 or like architects stuff or anything that requires like a 0:31:56.000 --> 0:31:57.200 lot of computing power. 0:31:58.200 --> 0:31:59.000 Not really. 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.960 I am doing mostly working on a on a web 0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:08.760 software or input information for a contractor that I work for, 0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:15.800 and also from home, it's just typing documents, opening PDF 0:32:15.840 --> 0:32:20.080 documents and reviewing items. So it's not it's not I 0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:23.480 don't think I need heavy processing power for that portion, 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.640 although I will use it also to watch to stream 0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.280 movies from Netflix and things, you know, in my off time. 0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.000 Well okay, so but All the things you're talking about 0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:38.360 are not You're not adding like a graphics card. You're 0:32:38.360 --> 0:32:42.120 not adding like external a lot of different peripherals to 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:43.920 this thing. Like you're not going to be adding extra 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:45.200 fans or anything like that. 0:32:46.000 --> 0:32:47.400 No, No, I don't intend to see. 0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.840 Okay, So I think you'll be fine with a with 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:52.360 you know, a smaller computer. I think the main thing 0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:55.280 for everything that you're talking about, you want to get 0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:57.400 good specs. And we were talking about this a little 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:00.240 bit earlier. You know, the specs that I think or 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.280 the baseline at this point for computers is you know, 0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:06.920 sixteen gigabytes of memory, if not more, especially on a 0:33:07.040 --> 0:33:09.160 on a desktop, you can do that for cheaper than 0:33:09.200 --> 0:33:12.760 a laptop. You know, a nice size hard drive, you know, 0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:16.280 maybe a five, twelve or terabyte if you want. But 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.080 the good news is with a with a desktop, you 0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:20.520 can just add what you need later on, you know 0:33:20.720 --> 0:33:22.840 with us B, so if you need more hard drive 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:26.520 you can add that. Usually with memory, some of the 0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.240 computers you can pop them open and add. Sometimes it's 0:33:29.240 --> 0:33:32.200 actually sort of attached to the motherboard if it's a 0:33:32.360 --> 0:33:35.360 if it's a really inexpensive computer. But I think for 0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:37.600 what you're talking about your needs, I think you'll be 0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:39.800 fine with one of these computers that's kind of an 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:44.400 all in one. I always recommend Costco if you just 0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.400 need a computer that's an all in one that has 0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:47.400 pretty good specs. 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:48.040 Costco. 0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.720 If you have a membership there, they generally have a 0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.280 pretty good system and it's usually one or two, but 0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:56.480 it's a it's a it's a very It's like you 0:33:56.520 --> 0:33:59.080 get a little bit more for your money there than 0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:00.360 you would get anywhere else. 0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.320 But I would look around. I don't think if. 0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:04.760 You're not building your own computer, you know, you don't 0:34:04.800 --> 0:34:08.560 need all these uh this, these extras because if you're 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.640 not expanding it down the line, the stuff that you're 0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:14.239 talking about is pretty much just basic computer work where 0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.600 you're you're working on documents, you're watching movies, you're streaming. 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:22.160 But you do want decent specs for that stuff. So also, 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.360 you know, check out the process or that you're getting. 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:26.000 You know, you don't want to go with something like 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:28.440 a three, like a Core you know, Core I five, 0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.040 maybe a Core I seven. You want something that's going 0:34:31.120 --> 0:34:33.840 to be you know, that's gonna have some room to 0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:35.760 breathe if you want to use this thing for a while, 0:34:36.080 --> 0:34:40.760 but that's what I would do, and just you know, again, 0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.240 go with the most the best specs that you can afford. 0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.359 I think is the best way to do that, and 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:47.520 I think you'll be fine. You know. 0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:49.480 The thing is with a lot of these computers, like 0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:53.120 the dream goal of companies is to have what's called 0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.080 like you know, almost like a dummy PC, where like 0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.360 the PC is actually not doing anything, like there's almost 0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:04.040 no process power whatsoever except just to run the Internet, 0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.080 and then everything is taken from the cloud. And so 0:35:07.560 --> 0:35:10.560 that's been kind of the dream of companies because it's 0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.600 much easier to manage things in the cloud than it 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.680 is on a local system that needs to be updated 0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:19.400 every couple of years. So good question, Adam, Thanks for 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:23.960 the call and appreciate the kind words too. Let's see 0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:28.360 Roku data breach. Fifteen thousand accounts effected, so not a 0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:30.400 ton of accounts here, but here's what you need to know. 0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:32.960 The main takeaway here is that you should not be 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:37.280 reasoning your passwords. So Roku had a data breach between 0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:40.800 December twenty eighth, twenty twenty three, and February twenty first, 0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:43.239 twenty twenty four. So if you had an account and 0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:46.120 something seems a little off, This might have happened to you. 0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:50.239 So what happened was this was a credential stuffing, which 0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:55.000 means the bad guys found these usernames and passwords somewhere 0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:56.839 else on the open web, and then they tried them 0:35:56.880 --> 0:35:59.400 on the Roku accounts and a bunch of them worked, 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:00.960 three hundred sixty three of them. 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:03.200 And so what did they do. 0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:06.080 They got into these Roku accounts and they immediately purchased stuff. 0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.840 They tried to subscribe to things, which I think is 0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:11.320 really weird. So you're this is your goal as a 0:36:11.320 --> 0:36:14.279 as a you know, online cyber criminal. You're trying to 0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:17.840 subscribe to HBO Max on someone else's credit card. Like really, okay, 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:20.160 I mean, good for you, but it's kind of weird. 0:36:20.920 --> 0:36:23.560 But Roku said they took a media action to secure 0:36:23.600 --> 0:36:26.360 the affected accounts, which basically means they sent a reset 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:31.280 password email to those accounts and canceled any unauthorized subscription. 0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:33.719 So check your credit card if you have anything that 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:36.560 got there from Roku. This might have happened to you, 0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:39.560 and don't reuse your password. This is when it goes 0:36:39.600 --> 0:36:41.360 bad when they find it and they use it on 0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.200 a different website. You are listening to rich on Tech. 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.560 Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging 0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:55.719 out with you, talking technology at eighty eight rich one 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:58.919 oh one eight eight eight seven four to two four 0:36:59.160 --> 0:37:08.320 one zero one one. I've got my kilt on Happy 0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:12.959 Saint Patrick's Day weekend. One of my favorite meals of 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.200 the year corn beef and cabbage, and last year was 0:37:16.239 --> 0:37:18.959 a bust. We made it and it was not good. 0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.520 So this year we need to redo that and make 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:25.239 sure that it is good. But it's up in the 0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:29.040 air at this point. So anyway, let's uh eight eight 0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:31.439 eight rich one on one eight eight eight seven four 0:37:31.480 --> 0:37:33.680 to two four one zero one. 0:37:34.480 --> 0:37:38.760 Let's go to uh. Let's see Wayne in your Belinda. Wayne, 0:37:38.760 --> 0:37:41.080 you're on with rich Hi. 0:37:41.000 --> 0:37:42.160 Rich, thank you for your show. 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.120 First of all, hey, thanks for listening. 0:37:44.920 --> 0:37:48.560 Yeah, I got the I fall ten and the eleven 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:54.200 they both sixty four gigabye. So I do have a 0:37:54.680 --> 0:37:59.120 sumto and I don't know how to tangle or empty 0:37:59.200 --> 0:37:59.960 the stories. 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:04.040 Ah, okay, well it's a little tricky on the iPhone. 0:38:04.080 --> 0:38:06.799 You have to have you plugged the what kind of 0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.320 what kind of connector do you have on your iPhone. 0:38:09.960 --> 0:38:12.160 I have the Lightning Yes, oh you do? 0:38:12.160 --> 0:38:13.719 You have the newest one. Okay, so you've got the 0:38:13.800 --> 0:38:16.000 Lightning and then what kind of thumb drive do you have? 0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:16.640 Is it lightning? 0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:17.719 Yeah? 0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:18.000 Yeah? 0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:19.960 They both like yes, okay. 0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.480 So you plug it in and nothing happens. You open 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.960 up the files app and what happens? 0:38:24.360 --> 0:38:28.400 Uh? They have me downloaded the apps, which it's I 0:38:28.480 --> 0:38:30.560 bought my amzone way back. 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:33.799 And what app do they have download? Is it sand disk? 0:38:35.160 --> 0:38:39.239 No, it's not stand up brand, I think? Okay, so 0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:43.960 they're swing into no external I'm the USB back at forth. 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:48.640 Kind of confused me. So there's the reason I call you. 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:53.080 And also possibly next maybe I need to operate to 0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:58.600 find a larger storage. Bigger storage and battery life. The 0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:03.240 battery life, there's really I also have the iPhone thirteen 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.440 a life. 0:39:06.280 --> 0:39:08.919 Well okay, so just to look at the battery life 0:39:08.960 --> 0:39:12.680 real quick. You can go into Settings battery and check 0:39:12.680 --> 0:39:16.279 your battery health and see if that's okay, if it's 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:18.680 you know, if it's giving you trouble that it'll tell 0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:21.000 you if the battery health is normal or not, and 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.440 if you're having issues with the battery life, which by 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:26.560 the way the iPhone has pretty incredible battery life. I 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:30.400 would check and see what is running down your battery. 0:39:30.480 --> 0:39:33.759 So for me, I can see I've got Instagram using 0:39:33.800 --> 0:39:37.239 up most of my battery, my home screen X and 0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.080 then Chrome and then Google Photos background activities. So if 0:39:40.120 --> 0:39:42.319 there's something on that list that is eating up all 0:39:42.320 --> 0:39:45.399 your battery, you can go through and get rid of that. Now, 0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:48.719 when it comes to offloading stuff from the iPhone to 0:39:49.000 --> 0:39:51.960 the thumb drive, it's kind of tricky because there's not 0:39:52.120 --> 0:39:54.920 really like a simple way to do that on the iPhone. 0:39:55.560 --> 0:39:59.239 There are some apps that can help, the ones that 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.239 I know of that work with this. Now, you said 0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:03.920 you got a third party thumb drive, so the only 0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:06.759 way that you'd be able to move things over is 0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:09.200 to kind of drag and drop them onto that drive. 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:13.800 So you can plug that drive into your into your iPhone. 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:16.040 It has to be formatted a special way for it 0:40:16.120 --> 0:40:19.319 to show up on the iPhone, So according to the 0:40:19.320 --> 0:40:25.479 Apple support website, you can format it as APFS, mac 0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:29.560 OS extended, or an x fat or a fat thirty 0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.839 two or a fat. My kids would laugh at the uh, 0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:35.200 you know, at these hard drive descriptions. But once you 0:40:35.280 --> 0:40:38.879 have it in those it would be able to would 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.359 be able to see those, you know, would be able 0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:44.000 to recognize that. And then when you want to actually 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:48.560 put stuff from your phone onto that drive, you can 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.719 go into something like photos and select a whole bunch 0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:55.400 of stuff and then copy it that way. But that's 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.439 going to be kind of tricky. So you would you would, 0:40:57.480 --> 0:40:59.319 you know, select a bunch of photos and then you 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.360 can files and you would kind of look and see 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.840 like where you're saving it, and I would browse to 0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:06.960 that actual little thumb drive. 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.160 That's going to take you forever. That's not going to 0:41:09.200 --> 0:41:09.920 be very easy. 0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:13.239 So the programs that I recommend the sand disc I 0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:16.719 expand they have their own little app that will help 0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:18.920 take pictures from your phone and put them off to 0:41:19.000 --> 0:41:23.319 the drive. Pn Y also has that. So otherwise, if 0:41:23.360 --> 0:41:27.160 you're if their app is not working that they gave you, 0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:28.960 you're kind of out of look because you're you're at 0:41:29.000 --> 0:41:30.680 the mercy of that app. So I would make sure 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:33.040 you gave the appropriate permissions to that app so that 0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:34.640 it can look through these files and it can look 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.440 through the photos. But this is what happens when you 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.240 take a chance on a you know, on a random 0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.239 brand name that you don't really know if it's going 0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.839 to work if you get it on Amazon, So check 0:41:44.880 --> 0:41:47.239 to make sure that the drive is formatted in the 0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:50.200 proper format. That's what I would do first, and then 0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:54.200 maybe uninstall this app, reinstall it and see if the 0:41:54.239 --> 0:41:56.480 things will migrate over there. The other thing you could 0:41:56.480 --> 0:41:59.920 do is use a third party program, something like Amazing, 0:42:00.400 --> 0:42:04.279 which I really like, and that will help you look 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:07.719 at your phone in a much easier way. So there's 0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:09.239 also I mean, you could connect your phone to a 0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.960 computer and you can drag the photos over that way. 0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:13.880 You can connect it to a Windows computer. I mean, 0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:15.600 there's many ways you can do this. You can use 0:42:15.640 --> 0:42:18.879 an app like Amazon Photos. It all depends on what 0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:21.879 you want to get off of this phone onto somewhere else. 0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.560 But I agree it is it is. It is an 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:27.560 issue because it's not the easiest thing to do. But 0:42:27.920 --> 0:42:30.120 once you know how to do it and just tinker 0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:31.680 a little bit, you should be able to do it. 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.040 Thanks for the call, Wayne, appreciate it. Let's go to 0:42:35.840 --> 0:42:39.439 Robert in Roseville, Michigan. Robert, you're on with Rich. 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:41.319 Hey, how you doing. 0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:42.759 I'm doing fantastic. 0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:48.440 I have never downloaded TikTok. But my question is is 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:52.520 this if it was created because I had an inkling 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:56.120 that they had created it the well, the purpose of 0:42:56.200 --> 0:43:00.080 spying in the first place, But once it's on your phone, 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:03.719 and of course there's going to if I had created it, 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.200 I would create an algorithm where it would root itself 0:43:07.360 --> 0:43:11.239 into the operating system of the phone. And even if 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.360 you remove the app, the phone is still infected. And 0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:16.680 if you get another phone and synk the new phone 0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:18.320 to it, it's also infected. 0:43:19.600 --> 0:43:22.160 Well, that is a valid concern I know, and a 0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:25.279 lot of people travel to China, people do have a 0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:29.640 legitimate concern of the phone or device that they're using. 0:43:30.040 --> 0:43:33.120 If you're connecting it to a network over there, you 0:43:33.160 --> 0:43:37.319 are you are somewhat at risk with that device. Now, 0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:41.080 I will say I do think that number one when 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:46.120 it comes to the iPhone, Robert, unless TikTok is really 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:50.200 really sly in how this thing is programmed, the iPhone 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.760 is nearly sandboxed with apps, so that means that apps 0:43:53.760 --> 0:43:57.440 that are installed on the iPhone really can't access the 0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:02.480 deep memory systems that they would be required to access 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:05.000 to do something like you're talking about now. 0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.000 On Android it is a little bit different. 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:09.239 It can't access a lot more, although that's getting more 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.719 sandboxed as well, And so I do think these are 0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:15.680 valid concerns. But I guess the bottom line is, you know, 0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:18.560 if you downloaded TikTok at some point to your phone, 0:44:18.680 --> 0:44:22.040 is your phone infected? Is it ruined forever? I don't 0:44:22.080 --> 0:44:24.440 think so. I don't think that the app is that 0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:29.120 nefarious as it is today, you know, as it stands. 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.880 But I will say that if there are people that 0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:35.040 are deleting TikTok off their phone or getting rid of it, 0:44:35.840 --> 0:44:38.000 TikTok does have some options. They do have a way 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.400 to download your data. So if you're curious what data 0:44:40.440 --> 0:44:43.320 they have on you, they do allow you to request 0:44:43.320 --> 0:44:45.920 a copy of that TikTok data. Now most of the 0:44:46.000 --> 0:44:48.800 large tech companies are allowing this these days, and people 0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:51.000 look into this stuff and it is pretty interesting. Like 0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:54.480 I remember Facebook people were downloading their Facebook history and 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:56.920 they were kind of their eyes were open to how 0:44:56.960 --> 0:45:00.960 much information Facebook has. TikTok says your may include but 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:04.200 it is not limited to your user name, your video history, 0:45:04.320 --> 0:45:07.840 your comment history, and your privacy settings. That all sounds 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.759 pretty boring, but you know it could be interesting. So 0:45:10.800 --> 0:45:15.320 you can go in the TikTok app, press profile menu, 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:19.399 settings in privacy account, download your data, and then request data. Now, 0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:21.919 if you want to delete the TikTok app from your phone, 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:25.479 if you're worried about this thing, you can delete the app, 0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:26.960 but that doesn't delete your account. 0:45:27.000 --> 0:45:28.160 Remember these are two different things. 0:45:28.200 --> 0:45:29.960 When you delete an app on your phone that does 0:45:30.000 --> 0:45:31.560 not delete your account, you still have to go in 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.680 and delete your account. So you would have to open 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:39.040 up the TikTok keep calling it tiptop TikTok app. Go 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:42.120 into the menu and settings in privacy under account there 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:44.960 is a deactivate or delete account, so you can deactivate 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.120 or delete the account. Robert, I do think it is 0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:51.040 you know, there are valid concerns here, and I think 0:45:51.560 --> 0:45:54.080 so much of this stuff that's happening around TikTok, there 0:45:54.520 --> 0:45:59.440 is some concerns that are rooted in reality. And I 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:02.200 think these concerns are with all of the phones and 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:04.240 all of the apps that we have on our phones, 0:46:04.719 --> 0:46:06.759 and then some of it is rooted in we just 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.719 don't know, and I think it's kind of wild to 0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.480 imagine that something would be banned because we just don't know, 0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:17.399 but that seems to be what is happening here? Eighty 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:20.319 eight rich one oh one eight eight eight seven four 0:46:20.360 --> 0:46:23.560 to two four one zero one. Website for the show 0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.920 richon Tech dot TV. There you can go to get 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:29.520 links to anything I mentioned on the show. If you 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:33.160 want to get my newsletter rich on Tech Newsletter, just 0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:36.080 search it up on Google. You should get the first 0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.319 link and you can sign up for the newsletter. And 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:42.560 today in the newsletter, I talked about just all of 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.839 the information that apps can collect on our phone. There 0:46:45.920 --> 0:46:48.120 is a lot of it. All right, We'll have more 0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:50.560 of your questions coming up after this. Plus I'll tell 0:46:50.560 --> 0:46:55.920 you why Airbnb is banning security cameras in certain places, 0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:59.040 and I'll tell you why Walmart is selling a MacBook 0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:02.840 Air for its cheapest price yet you are listening to 0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:09.160 rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich 0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:13.520 DeMuro here hanging out with you Talking technology. Phone line 0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:16.160 is eight eight eight rich one oh one eight eight 0:47:16.200 --> 0:47:21.239 eight seven four to two four one zero one. If 0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:23.839 you are in the market for a new MacBook Air 0:47:24.000 --> 0:47:26.880 and you don't need something that is the latest, greatest, 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:28.560 and you don't want to spend a whole lot of money, 0:47:28.640 --> 0:47:34.040 Walmart has a MacBook Air for six hundred and ninety 0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:37.759 nine dollars. This is the first time that Walmart has 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:43.680 sold an Apple maclaptop directly. They've sold them on the 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.359 website in the past, but it hasn't been directly from 0:47:46.400 --> 0:47:49.279 Walmart like it's been a third party listing. So they're 0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:53.120 selling the base model M one MacBook Air online and 0:47:53.239 --> 0:47:56.160 some stores will get it in store for six hundred 0:47:56.200 --> 0:47:59.920 ninety nine dollars. That is fifty dollars cheaper than the 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:05.960 previous cheapest price on this laptop. So during the holidays, 0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:11.000 this MacBook Air M one was basically seven hundred and 0:48:11.040 --> 0:48:13.839 fifty dollars. I'm trying to figure out when this came out. 0:48:15.000 --> 0:48:17.440 Let's see launch date. It's a couple of years ago, 0:48:17.520 --> 0:48:20.520 this November twenty twenty, so it's about four years old. 0:48:21.160 --> 0:48:23.640 But you know, here's the thing. The Apple products, especially 0:48:23.640 --> 0:48:25.960 the M one chip, is really powerful. So I have 0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:29.520 no problem recommending this if you're doing just simple things 0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:35.640 like surfing the web, maybe some photos, maybe lightlight video editing. 0:48:36.960 --> 0:48:39.800 It's basically an iPhone in a computer, so anything you 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:41.160 can do on the iPhone, you'd be able to do 0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:44.439 on this thing. So six hundred ninety nine bucks. It's 0:48:44.800 --> 0:48:48.880 in brand new condition, so again not a bad deal. 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:50.720 And this is kind of the start. I mean, Walmart 0:48:50.760 --> 0:48:55.800 is a huge retailer and Apple is a very popular market, 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:58.680 so putting those two together, they're going to sell a 0:48:58.760 --> 0:49:04.000 lot of these things. Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras, 0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:07.960 so no more indoor security cameras in any listings globally, 0:49:08.440 --> 0:49:11.200 regardless of the location of the camera, the purpose, or 0:49:11.239 --> 0:49:13.680 even if it's on the listing. And if you have 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:17.000 an outdoor camera, those have to be disclosed before booking, 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:21.080 and you can't have those looking to the indoor spaces. 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:23.000 So you can't have like an outside camera that's looking 0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:26.440 into the living room with the windows. And if there's 0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:29.800 an outdoor area that comes with an expectation of privacy, 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:32.560 you can't have a camera there either. The example they 0:49:32.560 --> 0:49:34.600 gave was sort of like an outdoor shower. If you're 0:49:34.640 --> 0:49:38.040 at like an Airbnb that has that, you couldn't put 0:49:38.040 --> 0:49:41.200 a camera there. I mean that makes sense. Also, noise 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:43.400 decibel monitors. Did you know that a lot of airbnbs 0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.239 have these things? They monitor the noise level in the 0:49:47.280 --> 0:49:49.839 airbnb so that the owner can figure out if there's 0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:53.320 a party going on, because parties are also banned at airbnbs, 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:54.959 like big old house parties. You can have your friends 0:49:55.000 --> 0:49:57.239 and family, maybe you know a couple people over, but 0:49:57.280 --> 0:50:00.520 you can't have a giant, you know, rager. So those 0:50:00.600 --> 0:50:03.560 are allowed in common spaces, but they also must be 0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.960 disclosed on the listing and they can't record or transmit 0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:10.080 sounds or conversations, so you can't say, well, I've got 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:13.400 this little two way speaker set up and I'm just 0:50:13.440 --> 0:50:14.839 listening in for the sound level. 0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:16.400 No, no, no, you can't do that. It has to 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:17.760 be a decibel monitor. 0:50:18.840 --> 0:50:23.040 The updated policy takes effect on April thirtieth of this year, 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:27.640 so I think that's you know, I know, I understand 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:31.560 the need to monitor your place and keep it secure, 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:34.239 and video door bells and things like that are still fine, 0:50:34.280 --> 0:50:37.000 and external cameras are still fine, but it's like it's 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.839 really it became this thing where like everyone that's staying 0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:41.879 at an Airbnb is wondering if there's a hidden camera 0:50:41.960 --> 0:50:45.960 in there, and that's concerning, and you definitely don't want 0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:48.480 to be I don't know, it's just you want to 0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:50.799 have privacy, but you also want to have protection for 0:50:50.840 --> 0:50:54.000 your place. So Airbnb's got to ride these lines and 0:50:54.320 --> 0:50:58.279 that's the that's the new reality there. Let's go to Mike. 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:01.919 Mike is in Riverside, California, Mic around with Rich. 0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:04.560 Hey, Rich, I'm a Christian. 0:51:04.760 --> 0:51:06.360 Was listening at the very beginning of your show with 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:07.799 the TikTok controversy. 0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:12.640 Sure, what makes you think that Instagram. 0:51:12.120 --> 0:51:15.040 And Facebook and the other. 0:51:14.960 --> 0:51:20.400 Social media apps they all sell our data to third parties? 0:51:20.680 --> 0:51:23.239 What makes anybody think that China doesn't buy them from 0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:24.200 third parties? 0:51:25.280 --> 0:51:28.000 And they probably do, and like everyone does, and so 0:51:28.280 --> 0:51:30.440 I think that that is a valid concern, and that's 0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:31.880 kind of why I went through the beginning of the 0:51:31.880 --> 0:51:34.240 show to explain that, like, all these apps are collecting 0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:38.640 very similar data, but the difference I think with China 0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:42.760 number one, they've got it directly. And again it's a 0:51:42.840 --> 0:51:45.919 country that you know, we're frontemies with and so that's 0:51:45.960 --> 0:51:49.520 part of it. But also it's the compliance issue too. 0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:53.520 So like our expert was saying, you know, these companies 0:51:53.520 --> 0:51:56.640 that are based in China, if there's an issue, there's 0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:58.839 no procedure they say, hey, you got to do this, 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:00.920 and they have to comply. We're here in the US. 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:04.359 We've seen example time and time again where these big 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:07.960 tech companies don't comply and they and they secure the data. 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.400 In fact, Apple and a lot of these tech companies 0:52:10.440 --> 0:52:14.440 have been sort of what they've been doing with their 0:52:14.520 --> 0:52:17.080 data is they've been encrypting it and throwing away the 0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:20.720 key so that nobody has it. And that's smart because 0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:23.520 well for them, because it takes them out of the mix, 0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.239 right when someone says when they let's say, let's say 0:52:26.280 --> 0:52:28.600 you got a ring video doorbell, and you end to 0:52:28.719 --> 0:52:31.120 end encrypt that and nobody can access that except you, 0:52:31.719 --> 0:52:34.960 And so if someone wants that video like Ring, couldn't 0:52:34.960 --> 0:52:36.960 even hand that over because they don't have the key 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:39.560 to that. And so that's not what they're doing by default. 0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:41.440 But you have the option as the owner of that 0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:43.239 camera to do that, and that we're seeing that more 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:46.359 and more where the encryption levels are getting higher, which 0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:49.160 is also kind of scary because there are some you know, 0:52:49.280 --> 0:52:52.480 actual valid concerns of why we may need to tap 0:52:52.520 --> 0:52:55.399 into some of this info. But as for Facebook and 0:52:55.480 --> 0:52:57.279 you know, Instagram and all these other companies, I am 0:52:57.320 --> 0:52:59.480 sure there's a ton of data flowing that way. 0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:01.840 I'm sure there's a lot of money being exchanged. 0:53:01.880 --> 0:53:04.120 But American companies are doing the same thing to us, 0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:06.880 where you know, when you walk into a grocery store, 0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:09.120 they know who you are, they know what you're buying, 0:53:09.160 --> 0:53:10.880 they know what you watched on TV, they know what 0:53:10.920 --> 0:53:13.279 you served on your phone, and they're mixing all those 0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:15.440 things together to come up with a pretty good idea 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:17.400 of if you're going to walk into that store and 0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:19.600 buy kitty litter or if you're going to buy diapers. 0:53:20.280 --> 0:53:25.479 And yeah, a real quick second question, why wasn't there 0:53:25.520 --> 0:53:32.040 big up for when when my granddaughter and grandson we're 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:32.759 walking around with. 0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:37.520 Pokemon about fifteen years ago, which was totally a Chinese government. 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:42.719 Uh, Pokemon the game, the one that everyone's walking that 0:53:42.840 --> 0:53:46.120 is they actually licensed that. That's actually a US company. 0:53:46.120 --> 0:53:49.960 That's Niantic, which is spun out of Google. So that 0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:54.200 is as far as I know, that's completely Niantic is is. 0:53:54.440 --> 0:53:55.760 Yeah, that was spun out of Google. 0:53:56.160 --> 0:53:59.279 So now the interesting thing about Niantic is actually what 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:01.640 their mission was and why they came up with these 0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:03.680 these things. And if you look at what Niantic's done 0:54:03.680 --> 0:54:06.960 over the years, everything has to do with AR and mapping. 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:11.239 Their whole mo was collecting data about the US. They 0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:14.760 were by people walking around. They were getting real life 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:18.960 and they still are real life information and live information 0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:21.640 about the world around them, which could all be monetized. 0:54:22.000 --> 0:54:24.160 Great question, Mike and Riverside, Thanks so much for the call. 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:26.239 Eighty to eight rich one on one. Coming up, we'll 0:54:26.239 --> 0:54:28.160 talk about how your car is spying on you? Is 0:54:28.160 --> 0:54:31.799 everyone spying? What's happening here? You're listening to rich on Tech. 0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:37.200 Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging 0:54:37.200 --> 0:54:40.200 out with you. The website for the show richon Tech 0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:44.480 dot TV. The phone number eight eight eight rich one 0:54:44.520 --> 0:54:47.720 O one eight eight eight seven four to two four 0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:52.239 one zero one. Joining me now is Kashmir Hill, technology 0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:53.880 reporter for the New York Times. 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:55.880 Welcome to the show. Cashmere. 0:55:02.120 --> 0:55:07.279 The headline this week automakers are sharing consumers driving behavior 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:13.880 with insurance companies. So explain how our cars are spying 0:55:13.880 --> 0:55:14.239 on us? 0:55:15.160 --> 0:55:19.759 Yeah, So, cars today are essentially computers on wheels. You know, 0:55:19.800 --> 0:55:23.759 they are usually Internet connected if you've turned on connected services, 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.239 and they have all kinds of sensors and cameras in them, 0:55:27.480 --> 0:55:30.600 and so they can collect a lot of information about you. 0:55:30.640 --> 0:55:33.040 I mean there's nice things about being Internet connected. You 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:36.359 can turn it on and off remotely, but it does 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:38.600 mean that your car can spy on you, and that 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:42.480 is what has happened to a lot of drivers, but 0:55:42.560 --> 0:55:47.040 particularly those who drive a car made by General Motors, 0:55:48.200 --> 0:55:50.160 which I'm sure you know if you're in one, but 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:56.400 you know Chevrolet, Cadillac, Corvette, Camaro GMC. If you have 0:55:56.680 --> 0:55:59.120 one of those cars and you're enrolled in a program 0:55:59.160 --> 0:56:04.440 called smart Drive, then your information is being collected how 0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:08.320 far you drive, when and where you go on trips, 0:56:08.719 --> 0:56:13.000 you're breaking your acceleration, you're speeding, and it is being 0:56:13.040 --> 0:56:15.640 sold to data brokers who are sharing it with insurance 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:16.960 companies and that. 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:17.960 Might make your ray go off. 0:56:18.040 --> 0:56:20.080 So okay, So there's a lot to unpack here because 0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:23.040 there is so First off, the connected cars. So I 0:56:23.080 --> 0:56:25.960 was at a data conference years ago and they had 0:56:25.960 --> 0:56:28.000 a bunch of reps from different car companies, and one 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:30.239 of the car makers said to me when I asked, 0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:33.040 I said, you know, because why is this company at 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:34.920 a data conference, right? And they said, oh, the amount 0:56:34.960 --> 0:56:38.040 of data that we collect from your car is people 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:40.279 would be amazed if they knew about it. And I said, wait, 0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:44.760 what like, you're collecting data on my car and they said, yeah, 0:56:45.000 --> 0:56:48.360 and so some of that is going back to the companies, 0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:50.719 like the car companies, and they're not really sharing that, 0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:53.360 but this is where they are actually sharing it without 0:56:53.400 --> 0:56:54.000 us knowing. 0:56:55.160 --> 0:56:55.480 Yeah. 0:56:55.560 --> 0:56:57.520 I mean so a lot of the car companies have 0:56:58.000 --> 0:57:00.400 in the last couple of years put a service center 0:57:00.440 --> 0:57:04.440 app that's called driver Scoring or driver Feedback, and in 0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:07.319 the case of General Motors it's called Smart Driver, and 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:10.279 it's a way for you to to to basically like 0:57:10.400 --> 0:57:13.000 hear whether you're a good driver or not, and it'll 0:57:13.000 --> 0:57:15.480 tell you, you know, be gentler on the brakes or 0:57:15.920 --> 0:57:19.960 you know, uh, don't don't be so rough on your accelerator. 0:57:20.080 --> 0:57:23.280 Like it's like a report card for how you drive exactly. 0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:25.480 And with General Motors they made it really fun, like 0:57:25.520 --> 0:57:29.000 you could get digital badges like break. 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:30.760 Genius and speed Limit Hero. 0:57:31.920 --> 0:57:35.680 But what was in the fine print with some automakers 0:57:35.840 --> 0:57:40.040 like Honda in Kia, but not so much with General Motors, 0:57:40.080 --> 0:57:42.920 is that once you turn this feature on, your data 0:57:43.200 --> 0:57:47.080 was actually going to either Lexus Nexus Risk Solution or 0:57:47.120 --> 0:57:51.400 another another data broker called Barrisk, and they in many 0:57:51.400 --> 0:57:53.840 cases were the one that were giving you the score. 0:57:54.000 --> 0:57:55.920 They were like running the program, but to you it 0:57:55.960 --> 0:57:57.440 just looked like your automaker was doing it. 0:57:57.520 --> 0:58:00.120 So it's like a credit report for your driving, for your. 0:58:01.240 --> 0:58:02.560 Yeah, it's exactly. 0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:04.840 And and in the case of General Motors, some people 0:58:04.880 --> 0:58:08.080 said they didn't even turn on Smart Driver, they didn't 0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:10.200 enroll it if they don't understand how they were enrolled 0:58:10.200 --> 0:58:12.080 in it, like it may have happened at the dealership, 0:58:12.120 --> 0:58:13.880 you know, when you're going through all that paperwork and 0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:16.240 the you're signing lots of things that maybe it got 0:58:16.240 --> 0:58:16.840 turned on then. 0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:19.520 But once it was turned on, these data brokers were 0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:22.320 getting your data. And then insurance companies go to these 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:23.920 data brokers, like when you're. 0:58:23.760 --> 0:58:27.920 Trying to get quotes for auto insurance or renewing your policy. 0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.880 These are who the intern companies go to to figure out, 0:58:32.280 --> 0:58:35.000 you know, how they should should price your policy. 0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:38.320 Oh wow, And so they get this information and they 0:58:38.400 --> 0:58:42.000 notice that you're a heartbreaker or a speeder, and then 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:45.080 all of a sudden, your insurance price goes up. 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:46.080 Yeah. 0:58:46.120 --> 0:58:48.280 I mean that's the way I discovered this story is 0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:50.360 that I decided this year I really want to look 0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:52.919 into what it means that cars are connected now and 0:58:52.960 --> 0:58:55.240 that are so much data is kind of leaving our cars. 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.200 And so I was hanging out in car forums online. 0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:01.680 It's a there's a lot of people talking about their car. 0:59:01.560 --> 0:59:04.880 Online, and I was seeing these reports from people who 0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:09.560 drove like Chevrolet Bolts and Camaros and Corvettes that their 0:59:09.600 --> 0:59:12.520 insurance was going up by like twenty percent, fifty percent, 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:16.080 sometimes doubled. And when they'd asked the insurance agent why, 0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:19.720 the agent would say, it's your Lexus Nexus report. You 0:59:19.720 --> 0:59:22.880 should go pull it and so you can request this 0:59:22.960 --> 0:59:24.439 under the Fair Credit Reporting Act. 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:26.720 And when they would get the report from Lexus Nexus, 0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:30.440 it would have hundreds of pages of every trip they 0:59:30.480 --> 0:59:32.880 had taken in their car over the last six months. 0:59:33.240 --> 0:59:37.000 And they were just astounded. They had no idea that 0:59:37.000 --> 0:59:38.960 that was there. And when they looked at who shared it, 0:59:38.960 --> 0:59:40.120 it was General Motors. 0:59:40.560 --> 0:59:41.520 That is so wild. 0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:45.240 The interesting thing here to me is that we've seen 0:59:45.320 --> 0:59:49.280 ads on TV for these insurance company programs where you 0:59:49.280 --> 0:59:51.680 would install something in your car or use your phone 0:59:51.720 --> 0:59:55.720 as kind of a intermediary where it monitors you're driving 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:59.360 to give you a better rate on your insurance. Right 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:01.640 like if you only drive a certain amount or if 1:00:01.640 --> 1:00:05.000 you're a safe driver. And people have been pretty hesitant 1:00:05.000 --> 1:00:07.400 to sign up for those programs, I would assume, so 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:10.840 to have this done in kind of a roundabout way 1:00:11.000 --> 1:00:13.200 where you're not even realizing that you're enrolled in that 1:00:13.360 --> 1:00:14.320 is even worse. 1:00:15.200 --> 1:00:17.840 Yeah, that's those kind of insurance programs. 1:00:17.840 --> 1:00:20.400 It's called usage based insurance, and those have been around 1:00:20.400 --> 1:00:21.880 for at least a decade now. 1:00:22.160 --> 1:00:23.360 And you do it very knowingly. 1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:25.720 You know, you'd get a dongle and you plug it 1:00:25.760 --> 1:00:30.120 into your car, or you download a smartphone app and usually, yeah, 1:00:30.120 --> 1:00:32.280 you get a discount on your premium. And the thing 1:00:32.400 --> 1:00:34.840 is that I talked to this one professor for the 1:00:34.880 --> 1:00:38.800 story and he was very in favor of usage based insurance. 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:41.400 He said, when people sign up for these programs, the 1:00:41.520 --> 1:00:45.120 impact on safety is enormous. People who know they are 1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:46.760 monitored are better drivers. 1:00:46.840 --> 1:00:48.480 Yeah, that makes sense, But. 1:00:48.480 --> 1:00:51.560 The problem with what General Motors and these other automakers 1:00:51.560 --> 1:00:54.480 are doing is that the people didn't realize that they 1:00:54.520 --> 1:00:57.120 were being monitored and how they drove was going to 1:00:57.160 --> 1:01:00.840 impact their insurance. So you don't get that that kind 1:01:00.880 --> 1:01:02.200 of benefit to public safety. 1:01:02.240 --> 1:01:04.720 You just have these people getting charged more. 1:01:05.800 --> 1:01:07.880 I mean in one way, you're getting the real life 1:01:07.920 --> 1:01:10.440 picture of how these people drive, and it makes sense 1:01:10.480 --> 1:01:12.880 that they would have to pay more if they're an 1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:16.560 aggressive driver. But on the flip side, if people do 1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:20.600 truly mine their manners when they are knowing they're being monitored, 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:23.920 then that's better for everyone because of the safety aspect. 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:26.920 Yeah, and then there's this other question of how reliable 1:01:27.160 --> 1:01:29.640 is this data that's kind of being siphoned from our car? 1:01:30.320 --> 1:01:33.280 The drivers I talk to and everybody overestimates how good 1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:36.560 a driver they are. So the people I talked to said, hey, 1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:40.280 I'm a safe driver. You know, I am not overly aggressive. 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:43.360 I have not been in an accident, like you know, 1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:47.200 I do speed sometimes, I mean who honestly, who doesn't. 1:01:48.680 --> 1:01:48.920 You know? 1:01:49.120 --> 1:01:51.920 I do break sometimes. I have fun if I'm alone 1:01:51.960 --> 1:01:52.440 on the road. 1:01:53.520 --> 1:01:56.840 But they said, you know, generally that they weren't aggressive drivers, 1:01:56.840 --> 1:02:00.840 and they were. They were upset that they're their insurance 1:02:00.920 --> 1:02:03.440 rates were going up when it wasn't based on, you know, 1:02:03.480 --> 1:02:06.680 that they'd gotten an accent or done something that really 1:02:06.720 --> 1:02:08.360 should justify the insurance going up. 1:02:08.680 --> 1:02:11.880 What were the car company's response to your questions? What 1:02:11.920 --> 1:02:12.960 did GM say about this? 1:02:14.040 --> 1:02:14.120 So? 1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:20.000 GM said that people consent to this program, that they 1:02:20.240 --> 1:02:22.680 felt that they were doing this with the full awareness 1:02:22.760 --> 1:02:24.000 of drivers. 1:02:24.120 --> 1:02:26.640 And you know, I said, you're not. 1:02:26.960 --> 1:02:28.960 You know, I'm talking to these drivers who didn't know 1:02:29.000 --> 1:02:31.280 this was happening, some drivers who didn't even enroll in 1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:33.840 Smart Driver. And what they said is that people opt 1:02:33.880 --> 1:02:37.640 in three times. The first time is when they enroll 1:02:37.800 --> 1:02:40.680 in on Star, which is the Connected services suite for 1:02:41.040 --> 1:02:43.800 GM cars, said, the second time is when they turned 1:02:43.840 --> 1:02:46.440 on Smart Driver, which they did either in the app 1:02:46.560 --> 1:02:50.240 or at the at the dealership. And the third time 1:02:50.760 --> 1:02:53.080 is when what I was talking about earlier, when they're 1:02:53.080 --> 1:02:57.960 shopping for insurance. Generally an insurance company will tell you, 1:02:57.960 --> 1:03:00.200 you know, we would like to request third part Aready 1:03:00.280 --> 1:03:03.280 reports about you. And when those people said yes to that, 1:03:04.240 --> 1:03:07.200 they may not have realized it, but that was kind 1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:11.439 of opening opening the door to all of this this 1:03:11.640 --> 1:03:14.960 telematics data like flowing over to the insurance company. So 1:03:15.960 --> 1:03:18.080 GM said, you know, we don't think we're doing anything wrong. 1:03:18.120 --> 1:03:21.240 We think this helps people to be bad drivers. Yeah, 1:03:21.240 --> 1:03:24.240 I was surprised, and they also said they and I said, well, 1:03:24.240 --> 1:03:26.560 where do you disclose it? Like I actually have a 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:29.400 Chevrolet bolt which is made by GM, and so I 1:03:29.480 --> 1:03:32.360 downloaded the my Chevrolet app, I connected my car to 1:03:32.680 --> 1:03:35.040 the app, and then I looked at the enrollment for 1:03:35.120 --> 1:03:38.000 smart Driver and all it said was like develop better 1:03:38.040 --> 1:03:41.360 driving habits, like get digital badges. It didn't say anything 1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:44.240 about Alexis Nexus and Barisk are going to get all 1:03:44.280 --> 1:03:45.439 your driving data. 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:47.320 And I said, where is this disclosed to people? 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:53.920 And the spokeswoman pointed to the privacy policy for on Start. Yeah, 1:03:54.040 --> 1:03:58.840 everyononder and then I she says, it's under third parties data. 1:03:58.840 --> 1:03:59.600 We share a third party. 1:03:59.640 --> 1:04:01.960 So I go read that and it's like, yeah, sometimes 1:04:02.000 --> 1:04:05.040 GM has has, you know, deals with third parties like 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:07.240 Serious XM. You know they're in your car and they're 1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:09.080 going to get data for your car. And it didn't 1:04:09.080 --> 1:04:12.120 say anything about Lexus Nexus or Varus or how this 1:04:12.240 --> 1:04:14.920 is going to go to insurance company. So there was 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:19.280 a class action lawsuit filed this week. I suspect the 1:04:19.280 --> 1:04:22.040 Federal Trade Commission is investigating. I do think there's going 1:04:22.120 --> 1:04:25.000 to be consequences for how they are running this program. 1:04:25.080 --> 1:04:27.320 Okay, real quick, I've got about thirty seconds. What do 1:04:27.360 --> 1:04:29.480 you think someone does to check if they're in one 1:04:29.520 --> 1:04:30.120 of these things? 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:31.160 Or what should they do. 1:04:32.160 --> 1:04:33.960 Yeah, So check your app if you have a connected 1:04:34.000 --> 1:04:37.520 car app, see if this thing is turned on, and 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:40.280 go to Lexus Nexus, go to Varis. You can actually 1:04:40.480 --> 1:04:43.600 request your consumer file and you should definitely do that. 1:04:43.640 --> 1:04:46.080 And CEEFA is you're driving data leaking out there? 1:04:46.360 --> 1:04:49.720 All right, Cashmere Hill, technology reporter for the New York Times. 1:04:49.760 --> 1:04:52.840 I'll link up the article on the website rich on 1:04:52.920 --> 1:04:54.720 tech dot tv. In the show notes, thanks so much 1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:55.960 for joining me today. 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I gotta tell you, 1:06:13.320 --> 1:06:17.160 I really enjoyed the show. It's very informative. You explained 1:06:17.200 --> 1:06:20.520 things very simply, and it makes me take on more 1:06:20.600 --> 1:06:22.560 tasks than I think I was available to do. 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:26.400 Well, keep talking, Mike, I appreciate it. Just keep going. 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:30.880 We have another hour, so I'll let you take the floor. 1:06:31.720 --> 1:06:34.960 Kidding, I'll tell you this. I went on your website 1:06:35.040 --> 1:06:38.520 and the notes that you take from every uh all 1:06:38.560 --> 1:06:42.000 of your shows are real helpful. Because I was actually 1:06:42.000 --> 1:06:43.560 going back. I was able to go back to a 1:06:43.600 --> 1:06:45.480 couple of things that you talked about, and I've been 1:06:45.520 --> 1:06:47.160 able to use those to my business. 1:06:47.160 --> 1:06:48.000 So perfect. 1:06:48.000 --> 1:06:53.160 Really, it's it's a great it's a very uh useful. 1:06:54.400 --> 1:06:54.640 Show. 1:06:55.080 --> 1:06:56.040 Is that is the goal. 1:06:56.120 --> 1:06:59.080 The entire goal is to be helpful, and I'm so 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:02.800 glad that you are figuring that out and other people 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:03.200 as well. 1:07:03.240 --> 1:07:04.960 So what can I help you with today? 1:07:05.640 --> 1:07:09.520 Well, I am a newbie technology wise, and my sister 1:07:09.560 --> 1:07:14.120 has an old Galaxy G seven G. She uses it 1:07:14.160 --> 1:07:16.840 as a phone and also through our business for she 1:07:16.880 --> 1:07:19.160 takes a lot of photographs and videos. We own a 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:22.520 jewelry store, a jewelry store, okay, and we're always putting 1:07:22.560 --> 1:07:25.760 pictures off and she's always taking several photos, doctoring them 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:27.840 so we can put them up on Facebook and so forth. 1:07:28.240 --> 1:07:30.720 The phone's got to be five six years old. There's 1:07:30.760 --> 1:07:35.880 sixteen gigabytes on an internal storage. I went through and 1:07:36.040 --> 1:07:39.880 I would periodically pull all the data or all the photos, 1:07:39.920 --> 1:07:42.560 the images, what I could. I would jump it out 1:07:42.600 --> 1:07:45.600 of her treate on her PC to clear it up 1:07:46.040 --> 1:07:49.760 because right now internally it's fifteen point one gigs are 1:07:50.040 --> 1:07:51.240 used to run the phone. 1:07:51.520 --> 1:07:55.040 Oh wow, and only has sixteen gigs total. Yeah. Oh, 1:07:55.080 --> 1:07:57.520 so you're always running up against the clock there. 1:07:57.920 --> 1:08:00.000 Yeah. So what I did is I pulled everything off 1:08:00.080 --> 1:08:02.920 the phone that I could that were but videos or 1:08:03.040 --> 1:08:05.480 or photos. I put them on the SD card on 1:08:05.560 --> 1:08:08.600 it or pulled them off the phone. I went through 1:08:08.640 --> 1:08:10.600 and cleared the cash on every one of the apps 1:08:10.600 --> 1:08:12.680 in there, some of them that I knew of. I 1:08:12.760 --> 1:08:16.120 was able to either uninstall or clear the data on them, 1:08:16.240 --> 1:08:20.640 or just do a four stop. And right now. 1:08:20.760 --> 1:08:24.040 What I'm planning on doing is removing the context apps 1:08:24.080 --> 1:08:26.840 and then sending the phone back to factory spects, because 1:08:26.920 --> 1:08:29.800 I was told that maybe when she jammed all those 1:08:29.800 --> 1:08:32.760 photos and stuff in memory, it might just be constantly 1:08:32.840 --> 1:08:34.800 filled and it won't be able to clear that through 1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:35.600 the cash. 1:08:35.800 --> 1:08:38.160 What would you suggest, Well. 1:08:39.280 --> 1:08:41.639 In the in the long in the longer term, I'd 1:08:41.640 --> 1:08:44.040 suggest you probably got to get a phone with more memory. 1:08:44.720 --> 1:08:47.000 In the short term, does this take a memory card? 1:08:47.000 --> 1:08:47.360 Do you know? 1:08:48.680 --> 1:08:51.479 It has an SD card? But nothing can go on it. 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:54.280 It's all, you know, nothing transfers over, it's all stuck 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:55.400 in the internal. 1:08:55.640 --> 1:08:58.080 Okay, well there there should be. 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:00.559 Gosh, it's been a while since I used a phone 1:09:00.600 --> 1:09:04.160 with a with a with an SD card. But you 1:09:04.240 --> 1:09:07.240 should be able to set the default on the camera 1:09:07.360 --> 1:09:09.800 to where it saves to save to the. 1:09:10.800 --> 1:09:14.120 That is on that photos and videos go to the 1:09:14.160 --> 1:09:14.759 s Okay. 1:09:14.960 --> 1:09:17.080 Okay, so photos and videos go to the SD card, 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:21.639 right the other stuff stays on the internals. In that case, 1:09:21.800 --> 1:09:24.760 I mean the with the system memory taking or the 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:29.639 system settings taking up fifteen gigs on a sixteen gigabyte phone. 1:09:29.640 --> 1:09:31.439 That's wild. And I'm looking here. 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:34.640 So if you go into settings and then you go 1:09:34.720 --> 1:09:40.439 into whereas it here, I just had it settings device 1:09:40.560 --> 1:09:43.760 Care and then it says storage, that'll give you, you know, 1:09:43.760 --> 1:09:48.960 if you're using an Android phone is specifically Samsung Settings 1:09:49.360 --> 1:09:52.720 and then device care and then storage. That will give 1:09:52.760 --> 1:09:55.400 you an idea of what is taking up your storage. 1:09:55.960 --> 1:09:58.680 So these Samsungs do a really good job of this. 1:09:58.720 --> 1:10:01.160 I think on iPhone it's a little bit trickier because 1:10:01.160 --> 1:10:03.040 they try to, you know, make this stuff a little 1:10:03.080 --> 1:10:05.519 bit tougher to find. But on Samsung is really easy. 1:10:05.560 --> 1:10:07.639 So I can see I've got forty seven percent used 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:10.559 right now. It gives me a breakdown of videos, images, 1:10:10.640 --> 1:10:15.840 installation files, audio files, documents, compressed files, apps, system. Now 1:10:15.880 --> 1:10:19.040 my system takes up sixteen gigabytes just like you said, 1:10:20.000 --> 1:10:23.680 other files and then trash and then there's so and 1:10:23.720 --> 1:10:25.960 then there's some things underneath that will that you can do. 1:10:26.320 --> 1:10:28.200 So you can delete the trash, which on my phone 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:31.519 is three gigs. Unused apps. You can uninstall apps that 1:10:31.560 --> 1:10:34.479 you haven't used in thirty days, duplicate files you can 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:37.360 get rid of those, and then large files. So that's 1:10:37.400 --> 1:10:39.240 one way of kind of going through and seeing if 1:10:39.240 --> 1:10:41.320 there's anything you've missed. I think, Mike, you're on to 1:10:41.400 --> 1:10:44.880 the right You're onto the right kind of path with 1:10:45.080 --> 1:10:49.080 reformatting that phone to see what you can do. Because 1:10:49.120 --> 1:10:50.559 what I would do is, if you want to keep 1:10:50.640 --> 1:10:53.960 using this phone, just reform at it, you know, factory 1:10:54.000 --> 1:10:57.639 reset it. That'll get everything back to the factory. You've 1:10:57.680 --> 1:10:59.800 got that SD card in there to take the picture, 1:10:59.840 --> 1:11:02.439 So if you're using this phone primarily as a camera 1:11:02.880 --> 1:11:06.280 to take pictures of this jewelry, then if the photos 1:11:06.320 --> 1:11:08.280 are going to the external memory, you're going to be 1:11:08.360 --> 1:11:10.799 just fine. But I would not install any new apps 1:11:10.800 --> 1:11:13.040 on this phone. I would not do anything extra on 1:11:13.040 --> 1:11:16.600 this thing because you're already out of memory before you 1:11:16.680 --> 1:11:20.200 even start. So in the long term, I'd probably look 1:11:20.240 --> 1:11:22.639 at maybe getting a device that has a little bit 1:11:22.640 --> 1:11:26.280 more storage, just because this is an older device and 1:11:26.320 --> 1:11:29.720 it definitely seems like you know that's an issue. But 1:11:29.880 --> 1:11:32.439 if you're only using it to take pictures, like I said, 1:11:32.800 --> 1:11:34.599 then I think you're going to be just fine by 1:11:34.840 --> 1:11:37.960 factory resetting it and then just you know, setting it 1:11:38.040 --> 1:11:40.639 up from scratch and making sure that you don't install 1:11:40.680 --> 1:11:42.840 anything new and making sure that the photos go to 1:11:42.880 --> 1:11:46.320 the external memory card. Or you can install if you're 1:11:46.360 --> 1:11:48.919 like an Amazon Prime member, you can install their Amazon 1:11:48.920 --> 1:11:51.760 Photos app and all your photos can go there and 1:11:51.760 --> 1:11:53.640 then you can just delete the photos once they go there, 1:11:53.680 --> 1:11:56.799 and that's free unlimited photo storage. If you're an Amazon 1:11:56.840 --> 1:11:58.639 Prime member, that's Amazon Photos. 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:00.240 The other thing you do. 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:05.000 Google makes a great app called the Files by Google App, 1:12:05.439 --> 1:12:07.800 and so I would download that on this device and 1:12:07.960 --> 1:12:10.519 use that before you format it just kind of see 1:12:10.520 --> 1:12:12.080 you can clean up your phone. They've got a lot 1:12:12.080 --> 1:12:14.040 of different things on there to help you clean up 1:12:14.040 --> 1:12:16.920 your phone. And that is made directly by Google. It's 1:12:16.960 --> 1:12:20.400 called Files by Google. And the way you can tell 1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:22.880 it's the official one, look at the publisher. 1:12:23.000 --> 1:12:23.759 It should say. 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:26.439 Google LLC when you look it up in the Google 1:12:26.439 --> 1:12:28.400 Play Store. Because there's a lot of cleaner apps, there's 1:12:28.439 --> 1:12:30.400 a lot of helper apps, but you want to get 1:12:30.400 --> 1:12:33.200 the one that is directly by Google. Mike, thanks so 1:12:33.280 --> 1:12:36.000 much for the kind words there in Royal Oak, Michigan. 1:12:36.400 --> 1:12:40.559 Appreciate it and hopefully you can get that sorted out 1:12:40.680 --> 1:12:42.679 eight to eight rich one on one eight eight eight 1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:45.840 seven four to two four one zero one. Find me 1:12:45.880 --> 1:12:48.200 online at rich on Tech. 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But 1:14:18.880 --> 1:14:21.240 it goes even further because I'll you know, it's all 1:14:21.280 --> 1:14:23.680 the links and things just a little like today, I 1:14:23.680 --> 1:14:25.080 was using this website and I was like, oh, I 1:14:25.120 --> 1:14:28.040 should include that in the newsletter. And it's just a 1:14:28.080 --> 1:14:32.640 handy little website stuff like that. Let's go to uh Tom, 1:14:33.320 --> 1:14:34.040 Let's see here. 1:14:34.360 --> 1:14:37.760 Line four. Tom is in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Did I 1:14:37.760 --> 1:14:40.960 say that right that? I had to look it up. 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:43.960 I I have seen this name a million times and 1:14:44.040 --> 1:14:45.439 I didn't know how to pronounce it. 1:14:46.200 --> 1:14:48.639 That's French. Clear Water there we go? 1:14:48.800 --> 1:14:52.720 Is there clear water? There? There is very nice? Well, 1:14:52.720 --> 1:14:53.519 what can I help you with? 1:14:54.360 --> 1:14:54.439 So? 1:14:54.560 --> 1:14:57.879 I've got an old motor role with DROI turbo. 1:14:58.360 --> 1:15:01.320 Oh, one of my favorite you know. I okay, sorry 1:15:01.360 --> 1:15:02.360 I interrupted you on. 1:15:02.439 --> 1:15:04.559 That as hands down on the best I ever used. 1:15:04.720 --> 1:15:07.360 I switched to Android from an iPhone because of the 1:15:07.439 --> 1:15:10.040 artist helt me think about this. I'm trying to remember. 1:15:10.080 --> 1:15:13.120 That was the first phone that had turn by turn 1:15:13.760 --> 1:15:16.840 GPS navigation through Google Maps, and so I went out. 1:15:16.880 --> 1:15:19.200 I waited in line to buy that phone. Anyway, keep going, 1:15:20.000 --> 1:15:20.840 phenomenal phone. 1:15:20.840 --> 1:15:23.280 And it took a beating, but anyways I got. I 1:15:23.280 --> 1:15:26.559 got a Doge wallet on there, like the old Doge wallet, 1:15:26.680 --> 1:15:30.880 like before Dolage was anything. It's got about a half 1:15:31.320 --> 1:15:34.439 or five hundred thousand Dolge in it. But I've got 1:15:34.439 --> 1:15:36.640 a pattern lock on it. And I don't want to 1:15:36.640 --> 1:15:38.320 get into the reason why I would put a pattern 1:15:38.400 --> 1:15:38.920 lock on it. 1:15:39.439 --> 1:15:42.360 Well back in the day that we did, that's what 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:43.599 we did. We put pattern locks. 1:15:43.600 --> 1:15:48.360 So you're talking five hundred thousand doze coins is at 1:15:48.439 --> 1:15:50.880 fourteen cents about seventy thousand bucks. 1:15:50.920 --> 1:15:53.320 Does that sound about right someplace in there? 1:15:53.360 --> 1:15:53.439 Ye? 1:15:53.720 --> 1:15:58.720 Oh my gosh. And big cod Crypto in general has 1:15:58.760 --> 1:16:00.920 been just on fire recently. 1:16:01.479 --> 1:16:04.320 So last month it's just it's just breathed. 1:16:04.720 --> 1:16:08.160 I mean, you're talking one month for dose up sixty 1:16:08.200 --> 1:16:12.439 six percent, one year, ninety seven percent up. Now we're 1:16:12.439 --> 1:16:17.000 talking fourteen cents for a coin. But still this is 1:16:17.240 --> 1:16:18.439 if you've got so many. 1:16:18.200 --> 1:16:20.120 Of them for all of it. 1:16:20.280 --> 1:16:22.639 Oh my gosh, okay, so wait, this phone is locked 1:16:22.640 --> 1:16:23.640 and you can't access this. 1:16:24.280 --> 1:16:26.240 I can't access I forgot the pattern. 1:16:27.160 --> 1:16:29.920 I forgot the pattern. And it's the old dodwallet that 1:16:29.960 --> 1:16:32.120 you'd never registered. So there's no name on it, there's 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:33.360 no email addressed to it. 1:16:33.520 --> 1:16:39.320 Oh my gosh. Okay, so uh, let's see. So this 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:44.160 is a droid turbo, so there is there, there may be, 1:16:44.439 --> 1:16:45.639 and there may be. 1:16:45.520 --> 1:16:46.640 One way that you can do this. 1:16:46.720 --> 1:16:49.280 So number one, if have you tried a bunch of 1:16:49.320 --> 1:16:51.240 different patterns and does it lock you out after a 1:16:51.280 --> 1:16:51.800 certain point? 1:16:52.600 --> 1:16:53.040 Yeah, and it. 1:16:53.320 --> 1:16:56.040 Gets and I haven't. So the last time I did it, 1:16:56.080 --> 1:16:58.320 I got to the pattern number nine where so it 1:16:58.360 --> 1:17:00.840 was going to factory reset next and I haven't tried 1:17:00.960 --> 1:17:04.080 unlock it now in like six months. Okay, there is 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:06.280 a safe start mode on it, but I can't get 1:17:06.320 --> 1:17:09.040 it to go into it. But even if I could, 1:17:09.040 --> 1:17:12.000 I don't even know if that safe start has you know, 1:17:12.040 --> 1:17:14.120 if I'm able to act as the map or the app. 1:17:14.400 --> 1:17:17.439 No, the safe start well, yeah, a safe yeah, but 1:17:17.520 --> 1:17:18.880 you'd still need to unlock the phone. 1:17:18.920 --> 1:17:20.439 It doesn't just go into it. You'd still have to 1:17:20.520 --> 1:17:20.920 unlock it. 1:17:21.080 --> 1:17:22.960 And that's yeah, but I can't get it to go 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:24.120 into that anyway. 1:17:23.880 --> 1:17:26.320 Right, and then the other things are obviously to you know, 1:17:26.400 --> 1:17:28.640 all the other solutions would be to just format it 1:17:28.680 --> 1:17:31.439 to get it, you know, you know, back to factory, 1:17:31.439 --> 1:17:34.559 but that would ruin this, uh situation. So the only 1:17:34.600 --> 1:17:37.920 thing is that I'm just looking up some information here. 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:41.479 So back in the day, Google used to let you 1:17:41.600 --> 1:17:46.240 reset your pattern with certain versions of Android, so version 1:17:46.280 --> 1:17:50.480 four point four and older. Now, this is the motoroladroid, 1:17:50.600 --> 1:17:52.680 you said, and according to. 1:17:52.920 --> 1:17:54.240 That on there. 1:17:54.439 --> 1:17:56.600 Yeah, and I know Deak what you're talking about. But 1:17:56.640 --> 1:18:00.080 the problem is my Google account doesn't recognize that bone. 1:18:01.520 --> 1:18:02.599 Your Google account. 1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:04.799 So when you try so, so you've gotten the message 1:18:04.800 --> 1:18:07.800 where it says forgot uh and log and recover with 1:18:07.880 --> 1:18:09.799 Google account and it won't let you recover. 1:18:10.640 --> 1:18:12.320 Yep, oh gosh, it's. 1:18:12.160 --> 1:18:14.640 Not It's not listed on my account anymore. Is that 1:18:14.720 --> 1:18:15.400 being an active? 1:18:16.680 --> 1:18:18.320 Okay, Well, here's what you have to do. 1:18:18.479 --> 1:18:21.519 You've got to go on chat ebt and you've got 1:18:21.520 --> 1:18:24.000 to say, I've got a pattern I need to unlock 1:18:24.000 --> 1:18:28.240 on this phone. Give me the top most popular patterns, 1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:32.080 the first uh, the first one hundred most popular patterns, 1:18:32.120 --> 1:18:34.040 and you have to try five of those a day. 1:18:34.600 --> 1:18:35.479 This is your job. 1:18:35.840 --> 1:18:39.880 This is your full time job, because once you get 1:18:39.880 --> 1:18:41.760 to nine, it's gonna say, you know, we got to 1:18:41.920 --> 1:18:43.640 reset this phone. 1:18:44.120 --> 1:18:46.639 But you have you have to really did you set 1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:48.080 up this phone? 1:18:48.360 --> 1:18:50.519 I did? I did, and you know what I I 1:18:50.560 --> 1:18:52.880 never so I actually never put a never put a 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:54.360 lock on any of my phones ever. 1:18:54.960 --> 1:18:56.360 But you did for this one because you had the 1:18:56.360 --> 1:18:58.320 doze on it. You wanted to secure it. 1:18:58.439 --> 1:19:00.680 No, that's actually and that's not might even put the 1:19:00.720 --> 1:19:03.479 lock on there. I actually had opened up my house 1:19:03.520 --> 1:19:08.479 to some unfortunate people. Will leave it at that, and uh, 1:19:09.640 --> 1:19:11.719 like they were, they started stealing some of my stuff, 1:19:11.720 --> 1:19:14.519 so I threw a lock on it. Oh well, you 1:19:14.520 --> 1:19:16.360 know while I was waiting to get them out of 1:19:16.360 --> 1:19:19.040 the house. And then in between that, I bought a 1:19:19.080 --> 1:19:21.840 new phone, and I just never never thought about it 1:19:21.880 --> 1:19:24.479 until you know, doats took off. I knew that doage 1:19:24.520 --> 1:19:26.880 was on there. I completely forgot I ever put the 1:19:27.000 --> 1:19:30.720 pattern lock on it oh like four years later like 1:19:30.800 --> 1:19:33.439 dogs started scream. Then I goes like, all right, what 1:19:33.479 --> 1:19:34.280 do I do? Now? 1:19:34.479 --> 1:19:35.360 Well, here's the thing. 1:19:35.400 --> 1:19:37.519 So I'm kind of joking about the chat GPT stuff, 1:19:37.560 --> 1:19:39.160 but I do think you need to try a couple 1:19:39.240 --> 1:19:41.840 of patterns that you think might be it. Because I'm 1:19:41.880 --> 1:19:45.320 looking at this little icon on the website, and I'm 1:19:45.320 --> 1:19:47.760 looking at the pattern screen, which was very prominent and 1:19:47.760 --> 1:19:50.280 Android for a very long time, and I can remember 1:19:50.400 --> 1:19:52.040 like some of the patterns that I used to use, 1:19:52.080 --> 1:19:53.680 Like when I visualize it, I'm like, oh yeah, I 1:19:53.760 --> 1:19:56.840 used to use this kind of like pattern. So you know, 1:19:57.080 --> 1:19:59.479 stare at the screen, see if you can come up 1:19:59.479 --> 1:20:01.760 with something and try a couple and just when that 1:20:01.760 --> 1:20:04.679 thing unlocks, you're you're gonna have a u a very 1:20:04.680 --> 1:20:05.559 interesting reaction. 1:20:05.680 --> 1:20:07.639 So make sure you have a camera recording yourself. 1:20:07.680 --> 1:20:11.880 But you know, I know there's gotta there's gotta be 1:20:11.920 --> 1:20:14.400 a way because I mean, I know, like like the 1:20:14.400 --> 1:20:17.479 government or the police department or the FBI, they have 1:20:17.600 --> 1:20:18.760 to have a way to bypass. 1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:22.639 Well there, okay, so there is a there is a device. 1:20:23.680 --> 1:20:25.519 Oh my gosh, I'm trying to remember what it's called. 1:20:25.560 --> 1:20:30.640 The gray uh said gray scale. Oh my gosh, hold on, 1:20:30.800 --> 1:20:35.640 it's a device that they use to unlock phones. Hold on, 1:20:35.800 --> 1:20:39.120 so yes, there is something. Uh, oh my gosh, they 1:20:39.200 --> 1:20:42.160 used it. Uh gosh, I gotta remember what the name is. 1:20:42.200 --> 1:20:44.400 It's not coming to me, but it's something gray. It's 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:51.080 like either gray lock or gray great device to unlocked phones. 1:20:51.760 --> 1:20:55.680 I've got a great key. There you go, so uh, 1:20:55.840 --> 1:20:58.439 there you go, great key, and you may be able 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:01.599 to find one of these things are somehow Now these 1:21:01.600 --> 1:21:04.200 are sold I think to law enforcement, but this is 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:07.799 you know, that's just have you heard of that before? 1:21:09.320 --> 1:21:11.120 All right, So Tom, you got to do your homework. 1:21:11.360 --> 1:21:13.040 Check out great key. I don't know, make some friends 1:21:13.080 --> 1:21:15.320 with the uh, with the law enforcement in your area. 1:21:15.320 --> 1:21:17.000 See if they have one of these things and give 1:21:17.000 --> 1:21:18.320 them a cut. If they can unlock this. 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:18.719 I don't. 1:21:18.720 --> 1:21:20.960 I don't know if that's how it works, but uh, 1:21:21.160 --> 1:21:26.360 look up great key, try the coach. But I feel 1:21:26.400 --> 1:21:29.960 for you, and in having this on the show, maybe 1:21:30.000 --> 1:21:33.160 someone by you know, will email me and be like, rich, 1:21:33.200 --> 1:21:34.719 this is how you do it, and I will pass 1:21:34.760 --> 1:21:36.880 it on to you. So Tom, good luck with this 1:21:37.439 --> 1:21:39.640 with this And I feel for you, but I mean 1:21:39.680 --> 1:21:41.360 you had good taste in phones. 1:21:42.800 --> 1:21:44.280 One of the best cameras I've ever used. 1:21:45.200 --> 1:21:46.120 Thanks for the call today. 1:21:46.120 --> 1:21:48.519 I appreciate it, and please keep us updated because that's 1:21:48.520 --> 1:21:51.600 that's one of the wildest things I've heard. But the 1:21:52.040 --> 1:21:54.960 takeaway when you set up an account, and I know 1:21:55.000 --> 1:21:57.599 that Tom mentioned that there is no sort of way 1:21:57.640 --> 1:22:00.920 to save this, but there are things called covery keys, 1:22:00.960 --> 1:22:03.320 and especially if you're setting up crypto. Here's what we 1:22:03.360 --> 1:22:05.080 all do, and I've been guilty of this. You set 1:22:05.120 --> 1:22:08.800 something up really fast and you just flow, you fly 1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:10.360 through all those screens that are like, hey, do you 1:22:10.400 --> 1:22:11.280 want to do this? You want to do this, you 1:22:11.320 --> 1:22:12.680 want to do that, here's the recovery code, and you 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:14.240 just say whatever, I'm never gonna need that. 1:22:14.640 --> 1:22:16.240 But when you see. 1:22:16.000 --> 1:22:17.559 Something that says do you want to you know, especially 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:20.880 when you set up like two factor authentication or a password. 1:22:21.479 --> 1:22:24.200 You know, password resets are pretty easy to do, but 1:22:24.360 --> 1:22:26.479 some of these accounts have a little bit stronger protection, 1:22:26.600 --> 1:22:29.760 especially when you set up that two factor authentication, and 1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:32.559 the only way to get access to that account if 1:22:32.600 --> 1:22:35.360 you forget your two factor, or you lose that device, 1:22:35.439 --> 1:22:39.120 or you somehow lose access to that code is something. 1:22:38.800 --> 1:22:40.160 Called a recovery code. 1:22:40.360 --> 1:22:42.640 So if you ever get if you ever presented a 1:22:42.680 --> 1:22:45.799 recovery code, sometimes it'll even give you like a PDF 1:22:45.840 --> 1:22:47.960 print out. It's like, print this out, keep it in 1:22:48.000 --> 1:22:49.840 a safe place. That is the only way you'll be 1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:52.519 able to get back into your accounts. Eighty eight rich 1:22:52.600 --> 1:22:54.880 one oh one eight eight eight seven four to two 1:22:55.120 --> 1:22:58.240 four one zero one. Coming up, I'll tell you about 1:22:58.240 --> 1:23:01.080 this social media investment scam. I'll tell you how Google 1:23:01.160 --> 1:23:04.599 Chrome is stepping up security. And we're going to talk 1:23:04.600 --> 1:23:07.320 about Wi Fi seven. You're probably going to be hearing 1:23:07.320 --> 1:23:11.040 more about it. We've got great guests to explain what 1:23:11.160 --> 1:23:13.519 we need to know about Wi Fi seven. You are 1:23:13.560 --> 1:23:20.040 listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. 1:23:21.840 --> 1:23:24.240 I just wanted to comment real quick on the last 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:29.920 caller in, uh, Michigan or Wisconsin rather, or wasn't Michigan. 1:23:29.960 --> 1:23:32.200 I don't know. They were both nice. 1:23:32.560 --> 1:23:34.960 But you know when people say that they like this show, 1:23:35.960 --> 1:23:38.880 the funny thing is this show there's nothing to it. 1:23:38.880 --> 1:23:41.120 It's me doing the tech show that I want to 1:23:41.120 --> 1:23:44.280 listen to. I just want to listen to the tech 1:23:44.320 --> 1:23:46.400 news of the week, the interesting stuff to know what 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:48.960 I missed. I want to hear, you know, the common 1:23:48.960 --> 1:23:52.280 issues people are having so I can avoid them, or 1:23:52.320 --> 1:23:55.840 when I run into that, I can understand it. And 1:23:55.920 --> 1:23:58.360 I just you know, it's just smart and interesting and 1:23:58.400 --> 1:24:00.400 that's it. And then have guests that like I learned 1:24:00.439 --> 1:24:03.519 from that's it. There's no magic formulation to this show, 1:24:03.640 --> 1:24:06.559 and so I'm glad that you know, people are taking 1:24:06.560 --> 1:24:08.599 a liking to it. But it's very very easy. It's 1:24:08.600 --> 1:24:11.200 just the show I want to listen to. And believe me, 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:14.920 that's you know, that's it's pretty simple. Let's go to 1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:16.640 Gary in Irvine. 1:24:17.040 --> 1:24:18.120 Gary. You're on with Rich. 1:24:19.040 --> 1:24:20.280 Hi, Rich, how are you doing? 1:24:20.479 --> 1:24:22.360 I am doing fantastic. What can I help you? 1:24:22.400 --> 1:24:28.840 As I have a Windows ten machine and there's about 1:24:28.920 --> 1:24:33.519 eighteen three hundred emails on there, and there's about six 1:24:33.640 --> 1:24:37.519 people that have sent me some like legal documents and 1:24:37.560 --> 1:24:40.160 that I need to move out of there and put 1:24:40.200 --> 1:24:43.040 them into a folder or a file or something and 1:24:43.080 --> 1:24:46.040 then erase the rest of them. And I was wondering 1:24:46.080 --> 1:24:48.720 how I would go about doing that without trying to 1:24:48.760 --> 1:24:51.000 lose any of the documents on the way. I know 1:24:51.040 --> 1:24:53.880 it's pretty simple and I'm not too savvy at this, 1:24:54.120 --> 1:24:57.679 but if you could give me some direction, that'd be great. 1:24:58.040 --> 1:25:01.280 Are you using Outlook? How what's the email program? Is 1:25:01.280 --> 1:25:02.960 it like a proprietary program? 1:25:03.479 --> 1:25:05.920 The email is through Cox Cable? 1:25:06.400 --> 1:25:10.040 Okay, so is it a web mail program then yeah, okay, 1:25:10.120 --> 1:25:13.880 So what I would do is I would get this. 1:25:14.280 --> 1:25:16.040 So I don't know if Cox has. 1:25:15.920 --> 1:25:20.640 The ability to sort by attachments, Like you basically need 1:25:20.680 --> 1:25:23.920 to do a search by anything that has an attachment. 1:25:24.520 --> 1:25:28.880 So for instance, on Gmail, if you go into the 1:25:28.920 --> 1:25:32.880 search bar, you click has attachment, then it will start 1:25:32.920 --> 1:25:35.840 to show you all the emails that has have an attachment. 1:25:36.200 --> 1:25:38.360 Now are these emails from a specific person? 1:25:39.520 --> 1:25:42.639 They're from like six different people, and they're basically all 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:48.040 lawyers and some title company people that I need to okay, 1:25:48.080 --> 1:25:48.479 keep those. 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:51.720 I mean, it's this is not very tough to do. 1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:53.559 It's just it could be a little time consuming, but 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:56.200 it's it's pretty simple. So I would first off, go 1:25:56.280 --> 1:25:59.679 to the website, go to the webmail site and find, 1:25:59.720 --> 1:26:02.080 you know, get the six people's email addresses, put them 1:26:02.080 --> 1:26:04.240 in a little notepad document, and then what you want 1:26:04.280 --> 1:26:06.439 to do is you want to paste their email into 1:26:06.520 --> 1:26:09.360 the search bar. And so once you paste it in there, 1:26:09.800 --> 1:26:12.040 that should give you a list of all the emails 1:26:12.080 --> 1:26:13.880 that they've sent you. Now it could be hundreds, could 1:26:13.880 --> 1:26:16.840 be thousands, whatever. But then you want to narrow down 1:26:16.880 --> 1:26:19.320 by a search filter, and you want to filter by 1:26:19.400 --> 1:26:22.920 has attachment, and if they allow you to just narrow 1:26:22.960 --> 1:26:25.639 down even more by just PDF or something like that, 1:26:26.040 --> 1:26:28.439 you can go that route. And then once you do that, 1:26:28.760 --> 1:26:30.760 you should if you say there's six documents or eight 1:26:30.800 --> 1:26:33.040 documents that you need, you could just go ahead and 1:26:33.080 --> 1:26:34.120 manually download those. 1:26:34.160 --> 1:26:34.880 So that's one way. 1:26:34.880 --> 1:26:37.160 That's the easiest way, that's going to be kind of 1:26:37.200 --> 1:26:39.840 like the most straightforward using the tools you already have. 1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:46.719 Now you can also use external tools. So for instance, 1:26:47.240 --> 1:26:51.240 you can get like a program that downloads all of 1:26:51.280 --> 1:26:55.960 these email attachments. And so there are some programs that 1:26:56.000 --> 1:27:00.559 will download all of these email attachments for you, and 1:27:00.960 --> 1:27:03.559 you may have to pay for them, but you know, 1:27:03.600 --> 1:27:07.719 I would look for something like a mail attachment downloader. Okay, 1:27:07.760 --> 1:27:10.400 So that's one option, and so you go in there, 1:27:10.520 --> 1:27:12.599 you put your email in there, and it will help 1:27:12.640 --> 1:27:16.320 you download all of the attachments from that email account. 1:27:16.360 --> 1:27:16.719 Okay. 1:27:17.040 --> 1:27:20.599 Now, the one I'm looking at here is a free 1:27:20.960 --> 1:27:25.360 for personal use. It's completely free. So this is I'll 1:27:25.360 --> 1:27:27.200 put this in the list show notes. But it's called 1:27:27.280 --> 1:27:31.639 gear Mage Mail Attachment Downloader Free Edition, and you basically 1:27:31.680 --> 1:27:34.479 put in your email address and it will go in 1:27:34.560 --> 1:27:37.760 and it'll find all the attachments and it will download them. 1:27:37.760 --> 1:27:40.400 And it looks like there are filters as well, so 1:27:40.439 --> 1:27:42.400 you can put in the filters for the email addresses 1:27:42.400 --> 1:27:44.880 that you want to get those attachments from. And then 1:27:44.920 --> 1:27:50.679 there's also Email Attachment Extractor software and so that's similar 1:27:50.680 --> 1:27:53.479 to what I just mentioned, but that's separate software. Or 1:27:53.520 --> 1:27:54.920 it may be a plugin, but I don't think the 1:27:54.920 --> 1:27:56.960 plugins will work for you. So I think it's going 1:27:57.040 --> 1:27:59.519 to be either a manual job or you're going to 1:27:59.560 --> 1:28:01.160 get one of these programs to help you do it. 1:28:01.479 --> 1:28:04.960 I personally would look at this Mail Attachment Downloader program. 1:28:05.120 --> 1:28:08.400 This looks like it works pretty well. The only main 1:28:08.439 --> 1:28:11.120 thing you have to be concerned about is privacy because 1:28:11.160 --> 1:28:15.600 you do have to hand over your your credentials to 1:28:15.680 --> 1:28:19.120 this email account to this downloader, so just you know, 1:28:19.200 --> 1:28:20.680 make sure that it's legit. But i'll put that in 1:28:20.720 --> 1:28:22.960 the show notes. I think it's possible to do. I 1:28:23.040 --> 1:28:24.800 think it's it's you know, it's a little bit of 1:28:24.840 --> 1:28:27.720 a Saturday project. But I think these programs will make 1:28:27.760 --> 1:28:28.439 it pretty easy. 1:28:28.680 --> 1:28:29.240 Does that help? 1:28:30.360 --> 1:28:33.519 And then and then also yes it did help. Also 1:28:33.640 --> 1:28:39.679 their cuts is changing over their email service. I guess 1:28:39.680 --> 1:28:43.880 to Yahoo. Okay, yeah, hopefully that I was going to 1:28:43.960 --> 1:28:46.559 get this done before they did it, because I know 1:28:46.680 --> 1:28:48.519 something's going to happen and lose everything. 1:28:48.720 --> 1:28:52.400 Yeah, I would, I would switch it. I would if 1:28:52.400 --> 1:28:52.760 you can. 1:28:52.840 --> 1:28:55.599 I always recommend that you use like a third party service, 1:28:55.640 --> 1:28:57.800 so if you can, since you're going to be switching this, 1:28:58.360 --> 1:29:00.519 you might want to just download all these email and 1:29:00.560 --> 1:29:03.479 then switch to something like a Gmail or an Outlook 1:29:03.600 --> 1:29:05.960 or something like that, because or you can do you know, 1:29:06.000 --> 1:29:07.559 you can go on a website and pay you know, 1:29:07.600 --> 1:29:11.160 twenty bucks and get your own email address. But you know, 1:29:11.439 --> 1:29:13.519 I might just go with Gmail because it's a lot easier, 1:29:13.560 --> 1:29:16.000 and you could you can have Gmail go in and 1:29:16.040 --> 1:29:18.880 fetch all these emails from there as well, So it 1:29:18.960 --> 1:29:21.040 might be it might just be easier to get to 1:29:21.040 --> 1:29:22.880 get rid of this because the problem with having the 1:29:22.920 --> 1:29:25.200 Cox email is that you know what happens when you 1:29:25.200 --> 1:29:26.680 get rid of this, like how long do they give 1:29:26.720 --> 1:29:29.639 you to continue using that email after you're done paying 1:29:29.680 --> 1:29:33.240 with their service, But it sounds like you've got quite 1:29:33.240 --> 1:29:37.320 the job ahead. I think focus on the email attachments first, 1:29:37.840 --> 1:29:40.599 and then you know, when they do make that switch over, 1:29:41.080 --> 1:29:43.000 there may be an opportunity where they say, hey, here's 1:29:43.000 --> 1:29:45.240 how you can download all your emails from this service, 1:29:45.320 --> 1:29:48.000 and maybe just download them and be done and switch 1:29:48.040 --> 1:29:51.320 to something like Gmail. Great question, Gary, I'll link up 1:29:51.439 --> 1:29:53.640 the tools that I mentioned on the website. Rich on 1:29:53.720 --> 1:29:57.080 tech dot TV. This is show sixty three, so just 1:29:57.080 --> 1:30:00.559 look for the notes for show sixty three. All right, 1:30:00.560 --> 1:30:03.280 real quick before we go to break here. Google Chrome 1:30:03.880 --> 1:30:07.799 has a new they're stepping up their real time privacy protection. 1:30:08.040 --> 1:30:10.520 So when you click a URL on Google Chrome. 1:30:10.640 --> 1:30:14.040 Instead of checking the site every half an hour, they're 1:30:14.080 --> 1:30:16.000 now checking it in real time. So they say this 1:30:16.040 --> 1:30:18.840 is going to block twenty five percent more phishing attempts. 1:30:19.160 --> 1:30:21.280 Basically, if you're using Google Chrome, that's a good thing. 1:30:21.560 --> 1:30:23.880 All right, Coming up, we're gonna talk why FI seven. 1:30:24.000 --> 1:30:27.000 What you need to know you're listening to Rich on Tech. 1:30:30.080 --> 1:30:33.719 Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging 1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:39.360 out with you, talking technology website richon tech dot tv. 1:30:39.479 --> 1:30:42.519 You can find me on social media. You guessed it, 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:48.840 Rich on tech. Dwight Silverman is a freelance tech columnist 1:30:48.880 --> 1:30:53.160 for the Houston Chronicle and UH recently he wrote about 1:30:53.360 --> 1:30:57.280 why five seven this is the newest, latest, greatest flavor 1:30:57.320 --> 1:30:59.680 of Wi Fi and you're probably gonna be hearing a 1:30:59.680 --> 1:31:02.120 lot of it in the upcoming weeks and months, So 1:31:02.640 --> 1:31:03.960 I thought it'd be a good idea to kind of 1:31:03.960 --> 1:31:05.600 give you a little bit of information about it. So 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:08.679 let's bring Dwight on and talk about WiFi seven. Dwight, 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:09.439 welcome to the show. 1:31:10.560 --> 1:31:11.519 Thanks for having me. 1:31:11.600 --> 1:31:16.000 Rich So your second time on the show, so welcome back. 1:31:16.560 --> 1:31:18.960 And how are things going there in Houston? So you 1:31:19.000 --> 1:31:21.000 were full time for many many years, you did a 1:31:21.040 --> 1:31:23.479 column you wrote, you had this like I'm sure very 1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:27.360 strict deadline for your column and now your freelance which 1:31:27.400 --> 1:31:29.000 is probably a little bit nicer. 1:31:29.600 --> 1:31:30.519 So how are things going. 1:31:31.360 --> 1:31:34.599 Things are going great. I'm still doing that same column. 1:31:34.640 --> 1:31:37.800 I left for about twenty minutes to work for Forbes 1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:41.160 and decided not I didn't want to do that, so 1:31:41.880 --> 1:31:47.240 I retired and I'm doing this weekly still. My editors 1:31:47.280 --> 1:31:51.080 would still tell you that I have a pretty strong deadline, 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:56.160 and this particular piece on Wi Fi seven actually ran 1:31:56.400 --> 1:32:01.240 in Jared Newman's Advisorator newsletter. Oh okay, okay, I had 1:32:01.240 --> 1:32:04.040 done I had done a version of it for the Chronicle, 1:32:04.080 --> 1:32:07.880 but this one is much more detailed. It's a paid newsletter, 1:32:07.960 --> 1:32:11.320 but I pay for it. To me, it's worth it, 1:32:11.400 --> 1:32:13.960 and it's the kind of newsletter I would do if 1:32:14.000 --> 1:32:15.360 I was doing one myself. 1:32:15.439 --> 1:32:17.479 Yeah, Jared does a great job. He's been on the show. 1:32:17.479 --> 1:32:18.960 I think he's actually been on the show the most 1:32:19.000 --> 1:32:21.640 out of anyone. So let's talk about Wi Fi. So 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:23.519 what is WiFi seven? 1:32:23.600 --> 1:32:27.400 First off, so, Wi Fi seven is the next generation 1:32:27.760 --> 1:32:32.599 of the Wi Fi protocol. It's what most people who 1:32:32.600 --> 1:32:36.200 have Internet in their homes allows it to come to 1:32:36.280 --> 1:32:42.479 their devices wirelessly. It has been for the past several years. 1:32:42.479 --> 1:32:46.080 It's getting it has gotten much more robust, much faster. 1:32:47.200 --> 1:32:51.120 In the In the newsletter piece I wrote, I start 1:32:51.160 --> 1:32:55.360 out talking about Wi Fi five, and then six and 1:32:55.400 --> 1:32:59.760 then six e. And the important thing about Wi Fi 1:33:00.080 --> 1:33:05.280 six to six E is that Wi Fi six boosted 1:33:05.360 --> 1:33:09.679 speeds and made things much more reliable. Wi Fi six 1:33:09.920 --> 1:33:14.120 E tacked onto, kind of bolted onto Wi Fi six 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:21.200 a whole new frequency, these six gigahertz frequency, and this 1:33:21.360 --> 1:33:29.040 allows for much faster speeds, much faster, much faster connections. 1:33:30.240 --> 1:33:33.120 But the one problem with it is is that both 1:33:33.240 --> 1:33:37.080 the five gigaherts and the six gigahertz bands don't have 1:33:37.240 --> 1:33:41.839 much range. So modern Wi Fi today has still keeps 1:33:41.920 --> 1:33:46.439 that old two point four gigahertz frequency around. It travels far, 1:33:47.000 --> 1:33:52.120 but doesn't isn't as fast. Wi Fi seven takes everything 1:33:52.160 --> 1:33:55.800 that's in six and six E and then makes it 1:33:56.280 --> 1:34:02.440 just that much better. It has two particular feeatures that 1:34:02.640 --> 1:34:06.360 make it much more reliable, that make it better when 1:34:06.360 --> 1:34:09.800 you have a lot of devices in your home, and 1:34:10.040 --> 1:34:12.920 makes it easier for you to roam from one part 1:34:12.920 --> 1:34:15.400 of your house or your business to another. 1:34:16.280 --> 1:34:18.240 So you do think there will be a noticeable difference, 1:34:18.280 --> 1:34:20.280 because you know, I feel like we hear how Wi 1:34:20.280 --> 1:34:22.840 Fi just keeps getting better, and then people still have 1:34:23.160 --> 1:34:26.040 dead zones and you know dropouts. 1:34:26.040 --> 1:34:28.920 Well, and it's you know, for those people who have 1:34:29.000 --> 1:34:33.800 dead zones and dropouts probably have not investigated some of 1:34:33.840 --> 1:34:39.040 the latest technologies. So, for example, mesh network routers such 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:45.160 as Amazon's Eero or TPE links Deco set up pretty 1:34:45.200 --> 1:34:48.559 much eliminate dead spots when you set them up properly. 1:34:49.640 --> 1:34:54.760 In the case of in the case of Wi Fi seven, yes, 1:34:54.800 --> 1:34:58.360 there are still these multiple router mesh network systems. But 1:34:58.439 --> 1:35:00.800 what's interesting about Wi Fi said it is, because of 1:35:00.840 --> 1:35:05.200 its new features, standalone routers will actually work pretty good 1:35:05.280 --> 1:35:09.280 and you may not even need these more expensive mesh networks. 1:35:09.240 --> 1:35:10.200 So that's good to hear. 1:35:10.320 --> 1:35:11.960 So even if you just like if you have a 1:35:12.000 --> 1:35:14.360 smaller house like let's say like a thousand square feet 1:35:14.439 --> 1:35:17.000 or something like that, you may not need to get 1:35:17.040 --> 1:35:19.960 the mesh network to get two of those access points, 1:35:19.960 --> 1:35:21.479 which is kind of nice. 1:35:21.479 --> 1:35:22.400 That'll save some money. 1:35:22.800 --> 1:35:26.400 Yes, okay, so Wi Fi seven, So when you are 1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:30.639 doing your kind of investigation of this, what did you notice? 1:35:30.680 --> 1:35:32.400 Did you notice that this was better? Like, did you 1:35:32.439 --> 1:35:34.559 notice you get faster speeds and things, And do people 1:35:34.560 --> 1:35:36.519 need to rush out to upgrade to this or is 1:35:36.520 --> 1:35:37.880 it something to kind of be aware of. 1:35:39.320 --> 1:35:41.600 At this point, I would say, you don't have to 1:35:41.680 --> 1:35:45.639 rush out to get Wi Fi seven right now unless 1:35:45.720 --> 1:35:49.160 you're in a particular unless you have a particular scenario, 1:35:50.880 --> 1:35:54.280 most people could get along just fine with Wi Fi 1:35:54.400 --> 1:35:58.200 six at the moment. Wi Fi six E is great 1:35:58.600 --> 1:36:02.000 if you have a lot of devices in your house 1:36:02.560 --> 1:36:05.439 and they support Wi Fi six y. This is always 1:36:05.479 --> 1:36:10.960 critical and and you have the need for a lot 1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:14.479 of speed, you know, for gamers and for people who 1:36:14.560 --> 1:36:18.040 do you know, multiple video streams at the same time. 1:36:18.920 --> 1:36:23.160 That's where Wi Fi sixy and with the six gigahertz 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:27.080 band comes in. With Wi Fi seven, what happens is 1:36:27.720 --> 1:36:31.400 it has this key feature called multi link operation or 1:36:31.680 --> 1:36:34.920 m l O if I can throw an acronym out there, 1:36:35.720 --> 1:36:38.840 and what this does. You know, as I mentioned earlier, 1:36:38.880 --> 1:36:41.800 you have these three bands two point four, five and 1:36:41.880 --> 1:36:46.400 six gigaherts and they typically have acted separately. Your device 1:36:47.080 --> 1:36:51.040 connects to one of them. With Wi Fi seven, it 1:36:51.080 --> 1:36:55.680 can connect to multiple bands at once. Yes, And so 1:36:55.800 --> 1:36:59.200 what happens is if you are let's say that you 1:36:59.360 --> 1:37:03.320 are you're in a particular spot and you've got a 1:37:03.360 --> 1:37:07.040 really good signal, and you have a Wi Fi compatible 1:37:07.040 --> 1:37:10.400 device like a laptop, computer or a smartphone, and you're 1:37:10.400 --> 1:37:13.800 doing something really bandwidth intensive. You may be using more 1:37:13.840 --> 1:37:14.559 than one. 1:37:16.080 --> 1:37:18.320 More than one frequency, so it's almost like bonds those 1:37:18.360 --> 1:37:19.600 together almost. 1:37:19.439 --> 1:37:22.479 Yes, and so but what also happens is if you 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:25.759 get up and you move and you move into another room, 1:37:26.360 --> 1:37:30.519 it easily decides well, I think five would be better 1:37:30.560 --> 1:37:33.000 here than six, and so it'll switch you over at 1:37:33.120 --> 1:37:37.519 six and is much more intelligent about doing that. So 1:37:37.840 --> 1:37:42.400 it's a It makes the router a lot smarter. Another 1:37:42.479 --> 1:37:46.880 thing that helps with it is that it has the 1:37:48.439 --> 1:37:51.559 channels that your phone talks on in each of these 1:37:51.920 --> 1:37:54.559 In each of these frequencies, a channel is like a 1:37:54.600 --> 1:37:58.240 little section of the frequency that you get to use 1:37:58.320 --> 1:38:01.880 with your device. The channel is twice as big with 1:38:02.000 --> 1:38:05.120 Wi Fi seven. So you know, like in Jaws where 1:38:05.120 --> 1:38:07.640 they said we're going to need a bigger boat for 1:38:07.760 --> 1:38:09.599 Wi Fi, this is the bigger boat. 1:38:09.760 --> 1:38:10.160 Okay. 1:38:10.240 --> 1:38:13.960 So it sounds like it's it's promising. But here's the thing. 1:38:14.439 --> 1:38:17.280 I feel like people are just hearing about Wi Fi 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:20.720 six E and now we have Wi Fi seven. So 1:38:21.520 --> 1:38:24.240 do we, like, I mean, do we just skip Wi 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:27.280 Fi sixy or you know what? What supports Wi Fi seven? 1:38:27.320 --> 1:38:29.160 Is there any device that even supports this, like a 1:38:29.240 --> 1:38:30.960 laptop or you know phone? 1:38:31.640 --> 1:38:31.880 Yes? 1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:37.360 Yes, The most recent Samsung Galaxy phones support it wo 1:38:37.520 --> 1:38:40.439 as well as the S twenty three support it. They'll 1:38:40.439 --> 1:38:44.479 support it with an update. The one plus twelve that 1:38:44.640 --> 1:38:48.800 just came out it supports Wi Fi seven. There are 1:38:49.040 --> 1:38:53.519 a handful of laptops, mostly gamer laptops that support it. 1:38:53.600 --> 1:38:58.760 Right now, the iPhone does not. The iPhone fifteen Pro 1:38:59.040 --> 1:39:03.920 and Promax support six E, and probably with the iPhone 1:39:04.000 --> 1:39:07.120 sixty and they'll all support six E. It's not clear, 1:39:07.280 --> 1:39:10.840 of course, with Apple in the future, it's always murky 1:39:10.920 --> 1:39:15.320 what they'll do, but it is it's possible that you 1:39:15.400 --> 1:39:18.280 may see Wi Fi seven in the pros, but I 1:39:18.320 --> 1:39:20.679 suspect what will happen is that all of them will 1:39:20.720 --> 1:39:23.280 get six E. The thing to keep in mind about 1:39:23.280 --> 1:39:27.120 Wi Fi seven is that, just as is always the 1:39:27.200 --> 1:39:31.479 case with a brand new Wi Fi protocol, the routers 1:39:31.560 --> 1:39:38.120 are really expensive. They first started appearing last year after cees, 1:39:38.680 --> 1:39:41.799 and the early ones you know, approached one thousand dollars 1:39:41.920 --> 1:39:46.720 or more. Now they are much more reasonable. I mean, 1:39:46.720 --> 1:39:49.120 you can find some that run around the three hundred 1:39:49.120 --> 1:39:52.679 dollars range. But that means, of course Wi Fi six 1:39:52.800 --> 1:39:56.400 is now less expensive. Wi Fi six E routers are 1:39:56.439 --> 1:40:00.479 coming down. Personally, I knew that that seven was coming. 1:40:00.960 --> 1:40:04.240 I wanted to get a mesh network system for my home, 1:40:04.560 --> 1:40:10.040 and I chose Amazon's Eero six E pro routers and 1:40:10.120 --> 1:40:12.639 have two of those, and they're great and I probably 1:40:12.720 --> 1:40:15.960 will be completely happy with those you know, for years 1:40:16.000 --> 1:40:19.840 to come, and so you know, it fit the price 1:40:20.200 --> 1:40:23.599 point for me. It's fast enough, it covers my house well, 1:40:24.120 --> 1:40:27.240 so I don't need Wi Fi seven yet and probably won't. 1:40:27.840 --> 1:40:30.400 But the good news is is that if you are 1:40:30.439 --> 1:40:35.759 the type of person who prefers to rent your router 1:40:35.880 --> 1:40:39.400 and modem or a combination known as a gateway from 1:40:39.439 --> 1:40:42.760 your internet provider, there's a good chance within the next 1:40:42.880 --> 1:40:46.000 year or so, Wi Fi seven will come to you 1:40:46.200 --> 1:40:47.280 from their equipment. 1:40:47.640 --> 1:40:50.759 Okay, all right, Dwight, We're gonna leave it there. Dwight Silverman, 1:40:50.880 --> 1:40:53.840 tech columnists at the Houston Chronicle. What's the best way 1:40:53.840 --> 1:40:55.360 for folks to follow you these days? 1:40:56.000 --> 1:40:59.479 Best place is probably on threads and that's thread dot 1:41:00.080 --> 1:41:04.320 threads dot net slash at d Silverman. If you just 1:41:04.360 --> 1:41:07.599 search for d Silverman on any social network, I'm there, 1:41:07.600 --> 1:41:08.760 except for X. 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:11.280 All right, excellent, Thanks so much for joining me today. 1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:13.760 Appreciate it, so thank you for having me. If you 1:41:13.800 --> 1:41:16.960 see Wi Fi seven, you know, it depends what you need, 1:41:17.320 --> 1:41:20.800 but it's something to know about for the future. All right, 1:41:20.840 --> 1:41:23.000 coming up, we're going to do the feedback segment and 1:41:23.240 --> 1:41:26.920 I'm going to tell you about this social media investment scam, 1:41:27.120 --> 1:41:28.720 plus some other things I still need to get to 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:32.080 before the show ends, so we'll come right back. You're 1:41:32.120 --> 1:41:38.320 listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. 1:41:38.400 --> 1:41:41.799 Rich Demiro here hanging out with you talking technology. 1:41:42.400 --> 1:41:43.000 Richon Tech. 1:41:43.040 --> 1:41:46.000 Dot tv is the website you can find me online 1:41:46.040 --> 1:41:50.280 at rich on Tech. So there's this new social media 1:41:50.360 --> 1:41:52.840 investment scam. I don't think you're going to fall for it, 1:41:52.840 --> 1:41:54.240 but I want to tell you about it just so 1:41:54.280 --> 1:41:58.160 you're aware. So this pops up as it looks like 1:41:58.240 --> 1:42:03.040 ads on Facebook and other social media networks shows billionaire investors, 1:42:03.479 --> 1:42:08.840 investors like Bill Ackman, Kathy Woods, Steve Cohen, and the 1:42:09.120 --> 1:42:13.799 ads lure you into a WhatsApp group where you're encouraged 1:42:13.840 --> 1:42:17.679 to invest in penny stocks. Now I get it. People 1:42:17.720 --> 1:42:19.720 want to make money, people want to invest in things, 1:42:19.800 --> 1:42:22.880 but don't do this and don't fall for this. Of course, 1:42:22.920 --> 1:42:26.920 these are pump and dump schemes. Now, these real investors 1:42:26.960 --> 1:42:30.479 have told Facebook about this, they report the scam ads. 1:42:30.560 --> 1:42:32.599 Facebook takes them down, and what do you think happens? 1:42:32.640 --> 1:42:36.160 New ones pop up immediately victims. This is why I'm 1:42:36.160 --> 1:42:37.840 telling you this because I can't. You would think that 1:42:37.920 --> 1:42:42.240 nobody would fall for this, but they do. Victims have 1:42:42.439 --> 1:42:48.559 lost and estimated three point two million dollars, twenty nine 1:42:48.640 --> 1:42:53.800 victims three point two million dollars. And the reason why 1:42:53.840 --> 1:42:56.240 they're falling for it is I guess they use deep 1:42:56.280 --> 1:43:00.680 fake videos and personal touches. And so that's why I'm 1:43:00.720 --> 1:43:03.599 telling you this, because these scams are going to get 1:43:03.600 --> 1:43:05.880 tougher to understand because of AI. 1:43:06.640 --> 1:43:07.920 So be aware of this stuff. 1:43:07.960 --> 1:43:12.360 And again, it's something that gets you money really fast. 1:43:13.000 --> 1:43:16.679 It's probably too good to be true. The Apple Sports 1:43:16.680 --> 1:43:18.120 app got its first update. 1:43:18.160 --> 1:43:18.920 Remember this app. 1:43:19.000 --> 1:43:21.960 This is Apple's very simple sports app. You pop in 1:43:22.000 --> 1:43:23.680 the teams that you like, and it tells you when 1:43:23.680 --> 1:43:27.519 they're playing, gives you scores, and a lot of people 1:43:27.560 --> 1:43:29.920 when it first came out last month were like, rich, 1:43:30.400 --> 1:43:32.360 where's basketball, Where's baseball? 1:43:32.920 --> 1:43:33.719 Where's NFL? 1:43:34.160 --> 1:43:37.080 And Apple said, look, we're going to add these sports 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:40.880 as the season starts. So Baseball is now on there, 1:43:41.920 --> 1:43:44.519 March Madness is on there. And so if you haven't 1:43:44.520 --> 1:43:47.639 downloaded this Apple Sports app, it's just called Apple Sports. 1:43:47.680 --> 1:43:50.200 It's very simple, it's free if you have an iPhone. 1:43:50.240 --> 1:43:51.960 It's a nice way of kind of keeping track of 1:43:52.040 --> 1:43:54.519 your favorite teams, and it tells you when they're playing 1:43:54.560 --> 1:43:56.920 in the upcoming games and the past games, and there 1:43:56.960 --> 1:44:01.400 is betting information on it. You can't bet through the app, 1:44:01.439 --> 1:44:03.040 but you can see what the odds are. You can 1:44:03.080 --> 1:44:05.160 turn it off in the settings if you disagree with that. 1:44:05.880 --> 1:44:09.120 Google Io is happening. They announced the date for their 1:44:09.200 --> 1:44:12.080 IO twenty twenty four. This is their big developers conference. 1:44:12.080 --> 1:44:16.559 It's happening May fourteenth through fifteenth, and this usually happens 1:44:16.560 --> 1:44:19.400 at the Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View, California, which is 1:44:19.439 --> 1:44:22.240 where it's happening this year. I've been, I think, to 1:44:22.320 --> 1:44:24.479 almost all of these in past years, except for the 1:44:24.520 --> 1:44:27.040 years they didn't happen with the pandemic. It's always a 1:44:27.040 --> 1:44:29.880 great time. They do a good job. I think that 1:44:29.960 --> 1:44:32.519 Google is in a very precarious place, which is a 1:44:32.560 --> 1:44:36.160 funny thing to say for a company of its size. 1:44:36.200 --> 1:44:39.360 But I'm telling you the AI stuff, it didn't take 1:44:39.360 --> 1:44:41.720 them by surprise, but I think it might. It might 1:44:41.720 --> 1:44:44.639 have surprised them with just how fast these AI tools 1:44:44.640 --> 1:44:47.360 from other companies have taken off. Now, Google has their 1:44:47.400 --> 1:44:50.320 own flavor of AI called Gemini, and I think that's 1:44:50.360 --> 1:44:52.439 probably the least known AI out of any of these. 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:54.200 If you ask someone, hey, what's an AI tool, they're 1:44:54.200 --> 1:44:57.240 probably going to say chat GBT. Now that's a company 1:44:57.240 --> 1:45:00.639 that came out of nowhere, and this is a huge company. Now, 1:45:01.800 --> 1:45:06.040 So what do we expect from Google Io? Android fifteen updates? 1:45:06.600 --> 1:45:09.679 New Pixel devices Pixel eight a that is their budget 1:45:09.720 --> 1:45:13.400 pixel device, Maybe a new foldable phone, the Pixel Fold two, 1:45:13.960 --> 1:45:17.439 and maybe a new tablet. They announced all those three 1:45:17.439 --> 1:45:21.280 things last year at the event, and we saw new 1:45:21.320 --> 1:45:23.720 ones last year, so we'll probably see new ones this 1:45:23.800 --> 1:45:28.280 year as well. And I thought this was interesting, this 1:45:28.400 --> 1:45:32.920 new Pew research study about how teens and parents view 1:45:33.000 --> 1:45:37.280 screen time. So the main takeaway seventy two percent of 1:45:37.320 --> 1:45:41.840 teens feel peaceful without their phones, but forty four percent 1:45:41.960 --> 1:45:44.600 feel anxious when they don't have their phones nearby. And 1:45:44.640 --> 1:45:46.840 I don't think that's just teens, that's probably adults too. 1:45:47.439 --> 1:45:49.760 Have you ever gotten that like ghost vibration where you 1:45:49.800 --> 1:45:54.080 think your phone is giving you a notification and you 1:45:54.160 --> 1:45:56.160 kind of feel your pants, pocket or whatever. You look 1:45:56.160 --> 1:45:58.679 at your phone, there's nothing there. It's like we're all like, oh, 1:45:58.720 --> 1:46:02.559 waiting for that next notification. Half of parents looked through 1:46:02.960 --> 1:46:06.200 have looked through their teen's phone. About forty percent of 1:46:06.240 --> 1:46:09.880 parents and teens regularly argue about phone time. I don't 1:46:09.920 --> 1:46:12.200 even have a teen, and we're arguing about screen time. 1:46:13.479 --> 1:46:14.240 This is the best part. 1:46:14.360 --> 1:46:16.879 Forty six percent of teens say their parent is sometimes 1:46:16.920 --> 1:46:20.800 distracted by their phone during conversations. Yes, this has happened 1:46:20.840 --> 1:46:24.599 to all of us. You're at dinner, their watch gets 1:46:24.600 --> 1:46:27.640 a notification or their phone gets a notification, and that 1:46:27.800 --> 1:46:29.800 sly kind of look to the side while you're talking 1:46:29.800 --> 1:46:30.240 to someone. 1:46:31.040 --> 1:46:31.920 Yeah, it's annoying. 1:46:31.960 --> 1:46:33.600 It's annoying for teens that are trying to talk to 1:46:33.640 --> 1:46:35.920 their parents when they actually do take the time to 1:46:35.920 --> 1:46:36.639 talk to them. 1:46:37.160 --> 1:46:38.080 Thirty eight percent of. 1:46:38.040 --> 1:46:40.200 Teens say they spend too much time on their phone, 1:46:40.960 --> 1:46:44.439 and seventy percent of teens believe smartphones provide more benefits 1:46:44.479 --> 1:46:48.000 than harms their age group. Forty two percent say it 1:46:48.000 --> 1:46:51.519 makes it harder to learn good skills. Now, this is interesting. 1:46:51.560 --> 1:46:54.880 My wife was telling me yesterday she works with teenagers 1:46:55.000 --> 1:46:59.680 and the smartphone is the connector. And I know that 1:46:59.760 --> 1:47:02.960 sound strange, but when these teens that didn't know each 1:47:02.960 --> 1:47:05.519 other got together, what do they want to do? They 1:47:05.560 --> 1:47:08.960 want to swap socials and they want to say, hey. 1:47:08.760 --> 1:47:09.519 What are you on? 1:47:09.560 --> 1:47:13.720 You on Instagram, you on TikTok, you on Snapchat, And 1:47:13.760 --> 1:47:15.280 that's how they keep up with each other. When I 1:47:15.320 --> 1:47:17.680 meet someone out and about, like someone at a conference 1:47:17.800 --> 1:47:21.439 or whatever, I will basically say, hey, what do you 1:47:21.479 --> 1:47:24.439 on Instagram? And I'll follow them on Instagram because guess what, 1:47:24.520 --> 1:47:26.200 I'm going to keep up with them, and I'm going 1:47:26.240 --> 1:47:28.240 to remember that I met them because I keep seeing 1:47:28.280 --> 1:47:32.439 their pictures pop up. This is the way things happen nowadays. 1:47:32.479 --> 1:47:32.880 So I get it. 1:47:32.880 --> 1:47:34.120 If you don't have a phone, you're kind of at 1:47:34.120 --> 1:47:40.920 a disadvantage. And finally, Krig is introducing compostable k cups. 1:47:41.360 --> 1:47:42.800 So you know, k cups get a lot of. 1:47:42.720 --> 1:47:45.960 Grief because they're convenient, but you throw out a lot 1:47:45.960 --> 1:47:49.320 of plastic and they're tough to recycle. So they have 1:47:49.400 --> 1:47:53.160 developed a new compostable coffee pod called the k Round. 1:47:53.760 --> 1:47:56.000 It's made from things that break down me throw them 1:47:56.000 --> 1:47:59.200 in the ground. The problem is they're only compatible with 1:47:59.240 --> 1:48:01.200 the new Kurrig Alta coffee maker. 1:48:01.439 --> 1:48:03.120 I'm assuming Alta because of ground. 1:48:04.280 --> 1:48:06.519 But the good news is this new coffee maker is 1:48:06.600 --> 1:48:08.840 backwards compatible with traditional ca cups. 1:48:09.680 --> 1:48:12.439 So these are coming out later this year. They're going 1:48:12.479 --> 1:48:13.080 to test them. 1:48:13.400 --> 1:48:14.719 I think this is a great thing because I always 1:48:14.720 --> 1:48:16.559 feel a little bit guilty when I'm using that CA cup, 1:48:16.600 --> 1:48:18.880 even though I love the CA cups. I mean, think 1:48:18.880 --> 1:48:21.280 about the first time you discovered the CA cup. The 1:48:21.360 --> 1:48:24.360 convenience of just popping this thing into a coffee maker 1:48:24.680 --> 1:48:27.720 and making fresh coffee. And you know, I go back 1:48:27.760 --> 1:48:29.519 and forth. On the weekends, I will brew a full, 1:48:29.880 --> 1:48:33.439 full pot with coffee ground grounds, and then during the 1:48:33.439 --> 1:48:35.519 week I will use the cake cups because they're convenient 1:48:35.560 --> 1:48:38.599 and they're quick. So I think it works both ways. 1:48:38.640 --> 1:48:40.240 And I'm not one of those people that peels off 1:48:40.280 --> 1:48:42.200 the thing and recycles. I know people like plant plants 1:48:42.240 --> 1:48:45.759 and them and stuff. But now it'll get a lot easier. 1:48:46.360 --> 1:48:49.120 All right, a little feedback here, Jeff says, I have 1:48:49.120 --> 1:48:51.479 a couple of suggestions for the callers that said they're 1:48:51.479 --> 1:48:54.040 going overseas and needed an international hotspot. 1:48:54.400 --> 1:48:55.400 How about Google Fi. 1:48:55.560 --> 1:48:58.120 You can work for free in one hundred countries free 1:48:58.120 --> 1:49:00.200 for seven days. 1:49:00.240 --> 1:49:02.439 Rich Such a great show, Jeff. All right, Jeff, I 1:49:02.479 --> 1:49:05.080 like that. All right. That music means that's going to 1:49:05.120 --> 1:49:06.280 do it for the end. Of the show. 1:49:06.320 --> 1:49:07.920 If you can find links to everything I mentioned on 1:49:07.920 --> 1:49:10.439 the website, go to richon tech dot tv. For the 1:49:10.439 --> 1:49:12.840 show notes. Find me at rich on tech. Thanks so 1:49:12.920 --> 1:49:15.679 much for listening. Thanks to everyone who makes this show possible. 1:49:15.880 --> 1:49:17.760 My name is rich Demiro. I'll talk to you real 1:49:17.800 --> 1:49:18.040 soon