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Speaker 7: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about TikTok. This has been the topic

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Speaker 1: So we've got the app collecting data on you know,

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Speaker 2: Is that documented? Is that? Like, where's that coming from?

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's the way they do business.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, that's all part of the surveillance society.

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Speaker 8: And we know what's happening because they're doing They've already

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Speaker 8: done it with their own people.

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Speaker 3: We know what's occurring.

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Speaker 8: Their social credit system is the basis of it.

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Speaker 1: Now, here's what's interesting because I you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's it's one of these things where a lot of

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Speaker 1: people have made a living on TikTok, a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, there's been a lot of stars born out

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Speaker 1: of TikTok. I mean there's you know, Justin Bieber, I mean,

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Speaker 1: didn't he come from TikTok? I mean so many of

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Speaker 1: these YouTube Pubo said, well, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that, you know, come

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Speaker 1: from this. So obviously there is a lot at stake here.

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Speaker 1: It's not just like, hey, let's get rid of this thing.

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Speaker 1: Like small businesses have gone viral on this. So, but

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Speaker 1: when I was in China, I remember that I couldn't

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Speaker 1: use almost any social network based in the US over there.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't use Twitter, I couldn't use Facebook, I couldn't

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Speaker 1: use Instagram.

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Speaker 2: It was a pain.

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Speaker 8: So and you probably used a VPN and even the

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Speaker 8: use of VPNs. Now they're they're starting to block those.

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Speaker 8: You're correct, and the fact is that you know, our

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Speaker 8: social media sites are not allowed in China, and as

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Speaker 8: an American traveling in China, as you say, to attempt

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Speaker 8: to connect to your social media even through a virtual

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Speaker 8: private network is difficulty. Beginning to corrupt that system as well.

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Speaker 8: So they're not playing fair. They're incredibly hypocritical in the

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Speaker 8: way they do business. It's you know, will allow will

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Speaker 8: allow this to occur in the United States, but not

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Speaker 8: at home. H And that's not democracy. So I think

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Speaker 8: we have to understand exactly what the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 8: is doing here. They're not a friend of the United

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Speaker 8: State and they're not a friend of democracies.

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Speaker 1: What does this mean for other Chinese based apps? If

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Speaker 1: you look at the top ten list of apps, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Timu is a huge app.

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Speaker 2: It's growing.

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Speaker 1: It had a Super Bowl ad and you know, I

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Speaker 1: get a lot of questions from people saying, hey, Rich,

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Speaker 1: is this safe for me to shop on? You know,

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Speaker 1: you get a thing that maybe ten dollars on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: it's thirty nine cents on Timu, So yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 2: Is that next?

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Speaker 8: Well, Timo is very interesting, isn't it, because you know,

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Speaker 8: it's the fastest growing app of its kind through like

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Speaker 8: Google Play or Apple Store. But if you look at it,

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Speaker 8: it's kind of fundamentally on the based on the social

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Speaker 8: credit system because in addition to the low prices that

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Speaker 8: you talked about, Rich, it also gives freestuff to people

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Speaker 8: who promote their app. So the more you use it

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Speaker 8: and the more you disseminate that app to your friends,

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Speaker 8: the greater credits you back. And it kind of it's

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Speaker 8: a creepy way reminds me of their their kind of

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Speaker 8: social credit system that if you play their game, you

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Speaker 8: will be rewarded for it. And and you know, so yeah,

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Speaker 8: it's I It's something we're gonna have to also look

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Speaker 8: out for because the information you're supplying through your purchases

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Speaker 8: is also collected by the Chinese government.

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Speaker 2: So if this ban goes through.

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Speaker 1: If this passes the Senate and goes to the President,

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Speaker 1: president signs it, they've got to do either divest this

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Speaker 1: this company to an American company, or just goes away

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Speaker 1: like uh TikTok is saying, that's probably what's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: Does this have bigger implications for the US's relationship with China?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think that any policy decision that that the

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Speaker 8: United States makes that uh, you know, places China at

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Speaker 8: a perceived or real disadvantage, will have some type of

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Speaker 8: consequences to it. Look, I mean, as I say, the

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Speaker 8: Chinese system is not a capitalist system. They don't have

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Speaker 8: free and open elections. They you know, they don't have

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Speaker 8: a free judiciary or an independent judiciary system. So you know,

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Speaker 8: again you're getting a communist dictatorship. Basically, are they going

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Speaker 8: to dictate to a sovereign liberal democracy? And I think

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Speaker 8: we're just going to have to be prepared to take

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Speaker 8: a few shots other countries have. We're just gonna have

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Speaker 8: to prepare if we believe in democracy and through capitalism

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Speaker 8: in a fair market system. If we believe in it,

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Speaker 8: then we have to show it. Look, we've taken apart

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Speaker 8: large companies before. Just look at Bell, you know, Bell,

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Speaker 8: Bell Atlantic, Bell Pacific. It's not uncommon to take large

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Speaker 8: multinational companies and diverse them. So asking TikTok to be

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Speaker 8: purchased by an American company, fine closure doors will have

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Speaker 8: the next day, you'll have an American competitor ready to

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Speaker 8: start up and meet that market need.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're going to leave it there. Doctor Scott J.

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Speaker 1: White, Associate Professor and Director of the George Washington University

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Speaker 1: Cybersecurity Program and Cyber Academy. You want to make a

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Speaker 1: prediction is this going to happen?

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Speaker 6: You think it's going to be very interesting.

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Speaker 8: I always said, you know, which is the political party

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Speaker 8: that's going to make that many young people upset? I

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Speaker 8: think the Senate is going to hold it. I don't

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Speaker 8: think it's going to make it through the Senate in

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Speaker 8: a quick amount of time. So even if it does,

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Speaker 8: it may be the next election before we see that happening.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, it certainly has a lot of people talking about

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Speaker 1: it and a lot of people wondering if something like

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Speaker 1: this can happen. But again, like I said, I think

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Speaker 1: it was three or four years ago that we were

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Speaker 1: talking about this same exact thing, and it seemed like

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Speaker 1: it was imminent, so we'll continue to watch it. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Scott J. White, how can folks learn more about your

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Speaker 1: cybersecurity program?

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Speaker 8: Going to our website at the George Washington University College

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Speaker 8: or professional Studies. All right, we'll be happy to answer

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Speaker 8: any questions about the program.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for the insight, really interesting conversation. Eighty

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Speaker 1: to eight rich one oh one eight seven four to

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Speaker 1: two four one zero one. Coming up, We'll take more

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Speaker 1: of your calls and I'll tell you about the Roku

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Speaker 1: data breach. What you need to know. You are listening

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Speaker 1: to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich On Tech.

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Speaker 1: Rich Tomuro talking technology with you at triple eight rich

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Speaker 1: one oh one. That's eight eight eight seven four to

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Speaker 1: two four one zero one. Bobo's playing a little Beatles today.

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Speaker 1: Watched a movie last night called Yesterday. Don't want to

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Speaker 1: give away too much of the movie, but I think

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Speaker 1: this is common knowledge. But basically it's a world where

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Speaker 1: the Beatles were forgotten, I guess. And anyway, it's just

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Speaker 1: a very interesting little movie. Like we only got halfway through.

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Speaker 1: Of course I fall asleep, but that's just because I'm tired,

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Speaker 1: not because the movie was bad. I tried to stay up.

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Speaker 1: But it's a really good little movie. So if you

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Speaker 1: have it, it's it's old, it's not like from twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: But if you're looking for something to watch, like last night,

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Speaker 1: and I've talked about this before on the show, you

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Speaker 1: sit down and it's like the amount of streaming services

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Speaker 1: and the amount of shows, and the amount of reviews

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Speaker 1: and the amount of opinions out there, it's just too much.

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Speaker 1: And so I get this decision paralysis where I just

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Speaker 1: can't make a decision on what movie to watch. And

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Speaker 1: I've even gotten to the point where I'll start it

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Speaker 1: and I'll be like, wait a second, let me, I'm

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Speaker 1: rethinking my decision. Let me try something else, and then

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Speaker 1: it just ruins your Friday night. So anyway, just pick

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Speaker 1: something to watch it. I think you'll like that one.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Adam in Los Angeles. Adam, you're on

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Speaker 1: with Rich.

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Speaker 3: Hi. Rich.

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Speaker 9: I love your program. Thank you for all the great

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Speaker 9: advice that you've given other than to me. But I

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Speaker 9: had a question about So I'm fifty four, I work

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Speaker 9: at home. I do contracting work, compute a lot of

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Speaker 9: computer work, and I have of a business computer from

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Speaker 9: my employer, but I want to buy my own personal

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Speaker 9: computer because I do some side work from there. And

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Speaker 9: I am wondering about the difference between what they call

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Speaker 9: those larger tower pieces and the desktop PCs. So I'm

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Speaker 9: wondering about what's the difference that I can't find anywhere

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Speaker 9: that explains the difference between those.

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Speaker 2: Well, you call the right place, because I will explain.

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Speaker 1: So it's funny, I just when you're talking, I realize

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Speaker 1: that we used to have sort of a third form factor,

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Speaker 1: Like right now everything is pretty much a tower, but

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Speaker 1: there used to be that like sort of flat desktop,

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Speaker 1: remember where you put the monitor, like.

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Speaker 2: That giant monitor on top of that. But now most

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Speaker 2: of are are.

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Speaker 1: Either like a mini desktop, like a mini tower, or

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Speaker 1: I guess they sometimes they can go either way. They

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Speaker 1: can go flat on their side, or they can go

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Speaker 1: up and down, or you have those giant tower PCs.

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Speaker 1: And of course, if you know any gamers in your life,

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Speaker 1: they're the ones that always have the giant tower PCs.

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Speaker 1: And the reason for that is mostly power and expandability.

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Speaker 2: So if you have a.

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Speaker 1: Big giant PC that has you know, a lot of

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Speaker 1: storage and space inside, you can add the peripherals that

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Speaker 1: you want, you can add the cooling that you want,

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Speaker 1: you can add more hard drives, you can add more

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Speaker 1: graphics cards, whatever you need to put in there. You

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Speaker 1: can pop this thing open and put those things in,

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Speaker 1: and it also looks pretty cool. So when you talk

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Speaker 1: about a smaller computer, these you know, these profile or

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Speaker 1: these slim line PCs, and of course down to a laptop,

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Speaker 1: there is not as much expandability, there's not as much power,

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Speaker 1: and you know they're gonna be quieter, they're gonna be

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Speaker 1: just just a smaller, more you know, power efficient kind

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Speaker 1: of thing. So it depends really what you need to do.

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Speaker 1: So are you doing any kind of like drafting work

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Speaker 1: or like architects stuff or anything that requires like a

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Speaker 1: lot of computing power.

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Speaker 5: Not really.

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Speaker 9: I am doing mostly working on a on a web

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Speaker 9: software or input information for a contractor that I work for,

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Speaker 9: and also from home, it's just typing documents, opening PDF

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Speaker 9: documents and reviewing items. So it's not it's not I

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Speaker 9: don't think I need heavy processing power for that portion,

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Speaker 9: although I will use it also to watch to stream

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Speaker 9: movies from Netflix and things, you know, in my off time.

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Speaker 1: Well okay, so but All the things you're talking about

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Speaker 1: are not You're not adding like a graphics card. You're

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Speaker 1: not adding like external a lot of different peripherals to

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Speaker 1: this thing. Like you're not going to be adding extra

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Speaker 1: fans or anything like that.

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Speaker 9: No, No, I don't intend to see.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I think you'll be fine with a with

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Speaker 1: you know, a smaller computer. I think the main thing

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Speaker 1: for everything that you're talking about, you want to get

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Speaker 1: good specs. And we were talking about this a little

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Speaker 1: bit earlier. You know, the specs that I think or

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Speaker 1: the baseline at this point for computers is you know,

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Speaker 1: sixteen gigabytes of memory, if not more, especially on a

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Speaker 1: on a desktop, you can do that for cheaper than

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Speaker 1: a laptop. You know, a nice size hard drive, you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe a five, twelve or terabyte if you want. But

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Speaker 1: the good news is with a with a desktop, you

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Speaker 1: can just add what you need later on, you know

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Speaker 1: with us B, so if you need more hard drive

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Speaker 1: you can add that. Usually with memory, some of the

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Speaker 1: computers you can pop them open and add. Sometimes it's

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Speaker 1: actually sort of attached to the motherboard if it's a

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Speaker 1: if it's a really inexpensive computer. But I think for

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Speaker 1: what you're talking about your needs, I think you'll be

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Speaker 1: fine with one of these computers that's kind of an

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Speaker 1: all in one. I always recommend Costco if you just

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Speaker 1: need a computer that's an all in one that has

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Speaker 1: pretty good specs.

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Speaker 2: Costco.

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Speaker 1: If you have a membership there, they generally have a

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Speaker 1: pretty good system and it's usually one or two, but

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a very It's like you

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00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: get a little bit more for your money there than

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Speaker 1: you would get anywhere else.

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Speaker 2: But I would look around. I don't think if.

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Speaker 1: You're not building your own computer, you know, you don't

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Speaker 1: need all these uh this, these extras because if you're

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Speaker 1: not expanding it down the line, the stuff that you're

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Speaker 1: talking about is pretty much just basic computer work where

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Speaker 1: you're you're working on documents, you're watching movies, you're streaming.

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Speaker 1: But you do want decent specs for that stuff. So also,

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Speaker 1: you know, check out the process or that you're getting.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to go with something like

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Speaker 1: a three, like a Core you know, Core I five,

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Speaker 1: maybe a Core I seven. You want something that's going

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Speaker 1: to be you know, that's gonna have some room to

681
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Speaker 1: breathe if you want to use this thing for a while,

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Speaker 1: but that's what I would do, and just you know, again,

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Speaker 1: go with the most the best specs that you can afford.

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Speaker 2: I think is the best way to do that, and

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Speaker 2: I think you'll be fine. You know.

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Speaker 1: The thing is with a lot of these computers, like

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Speaker 1: the dream goal of companies is to have what's called

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00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: like you know, almost like a dummy PC, where like

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Speaker 1: the PC is actually not doing anything, like there's almost

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Speaker 1: no process power whatsoever except just to run the Internet,

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Speaker 1: and then everything is taken from the cloud. And so

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Speaker 1: that's been kind of the dream of companies because it's

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Speaker 1: much easier to manage things in the cloud than it

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Speaker 1: is on a local system that needs to be updated

695
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Speaker 1: every couple of years. So good question, Adam, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: the call and appreciate the kind words too. Let's see

697
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Speaker 1: Roku data breach. Fifteen thousand accounts effected, so not a

698
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Speaker 1: ton of accounts here, but here's what you need to know.

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Speaker 1: The main takeaway here is that you should not be

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Speaker 1: reasoning your passwords. So Roku had a data breach between

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Speaker 1: December twenty eighth, twenty twenty three, and February twenty first,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So if you had an account and

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Speaker 1: something seems a little off, This might have happened to you.

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Speaker 1: So what happened was this was a credential stuffing, which

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Speaker 1: means the bad guys found these usernames and passwords somewhere

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Speaker 1: else on the open web, and then they tried them

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Speaker 1: on the Roku accounts and a bunch of them worked,

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Speaker 1: three hundred sixty three of them.

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Speaker 2: And so what did they do.

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Speaker 1: They got into these Roku accounts and they immediately purchased stuff.

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Speaker 1: They tried to subscribe to things, which I think is

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Speaker 1: really weird. So you're this is your goal as a

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Speaker 1: as a you know, online cyber criminal. You're trying to

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Speaker 1: subscribe to HBO Max on someone else's credit card. Like really, okay,

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Speaker 1: I mean, good for you, but it's kind of weird.

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Speaker 1: But Roku said they took a media action to secure

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Speaker 1: the affected accounts, which basically means they sent a reset

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Speaker 1: password email to those accounts and canceled any unauthorized subscription.

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Speaker 1: So check your credit card if you have anything that

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Speaker 1: got there from Roku. This might have happened to you,

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Speaker 1: and don't reuse your password. This is when it goes

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Speaker 1: bad when they find it and they use it on

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Speaker 1: a different website. You are listening to rich on Tech.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging

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Speaker 1: out with you, talking technology at eighty eight rich one

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Speaker 1: Saint Patrick's Day weekend. One of my favorite meals of

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Speaker 1: the year corn beef and cabbage, and last year was

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Speaker 1: a bust. We made it and it was not good.

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Speaker 1: sure that it is good. But it's up in the

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Speaker 1: air at this point. So anyway, let's uh eight eight

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Speaker 2: Let's go to uh. Let's see Wayne in your Belinda. Wayne,

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Speaker 2: you're on with rich Hi.

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Speaker 10: Rich, thank you for your show.

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Speaker 2: First of all, hey, thanks for listening.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I got the I fall ten and the eleven

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Speaker 10: they both sixty four gigabye. So I do have a

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Speaker 10: sumto and I don't know how to tangle or empty

743
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Speaker 10: the stories.

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00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 1: Ah, okay, well it's a little tricky on the iPhone.

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00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: You have to have you plugged the what kind of

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Speaker 1: what kind of connector do you have on your iPhone.

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00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 10: I have the Lightning Yes, oh you do?

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Speaker 2: You have the newest one. Okay, so you've got the

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Speaker 2: Lightning and then what kind of thumb drive do you have?

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Speaker 2: Is it lightning?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: They both like yes, okay.

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00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 1: So you plug it in and nothing happens. You open

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Speaker 1: up the files app and what happens?

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Speaker 10: Uh? They have me downloaded the apps, which it's I

757
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 10: bought my amzone way back.

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Speaker 2: And what app do they have download? Is it sand disk?

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Speaker 10: No, it's not stand up brand, I think? Okay, so

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Speaker 10: they're swing into no external I'm the USB back at forth.

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Speaker 10: Kind of confused me. So there's the reason I call you.

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Speaker 10: And also possibly next maybe I need to operate to

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Speaker 10: find a larger storage. Bigger storage and battery life. The

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Speaker 10: battery life, there's really I also have the iPhone thirteen

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Speaker 10: a life.

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Speaker 1: Well okay, so just to look at the battery life

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Speaker 1: real quick. You can go into Settings battery and check

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Speaker 1: your battery health and see if that's okay, if it's

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Speaker 1: you know, if it's giving you trouble that it'll tell

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Speaker 1: you if the battery health is normal or not, and

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Speaker 1: if you're having issues with the battery life, which by

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Speaker 1: the way the iPhone has pretty incredible battery life. I

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Speaker 1: would check and see what is running down your battery.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I can see I've got Instagram using

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Speaker 1: up most of my battery, my home screen X and

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Speaker 1: then Chrome and then Google Photos background activities. So if

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Speaker 1: there's something on that list that is eating up all

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Speaker 1: your battery, you can go through and get rid of that. Now,

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Speaker 1: when it comes to offloading stuff from the iPhone to

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Speaker 1: the thumb drive, it's kind of tricky because there's not

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Speaker 1: really like a simple way to do that on the iPhone.

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Speaker 1: There are some apps that can help, the ones that

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Speaker 1: I know of that work with this. Now, you said

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Speaker 1: you got a third party thumb drive, so the only

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Speaker 1: way that you'd be able to move things over is

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Speaker 1: to kind of drag and drop them onto that drive.

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Speaker 1: So you can plug that drive into your into your iPhone.

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Speaker 1: It has to be formatted a special way for it

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Speaker 1: to show up on the iPhone, So according to the

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Speaker 1: Apple support website, you can format it as APFS, mac

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Speaker 1: OS extended, or an x fat or a fat thirty

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Speaker 1: two or a fat. My kids would laugh at the uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, at these hard drive descriptions. But once you

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Speaker 1: have it in those it would be able to would

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Speaker 1: be able to see those, you know, would be able

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Speaker 1: to recognize that. And then when you want to actually

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Speaker 1: put stuff from your phone onto that drive, you can

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Speaker 1: go into something like photos and select a whole bunch

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Speaker 1: of stuff and then copy it that way. But that's

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Speaker 1: going to be kind of tricky. So you would you would,

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Speaker 1: you know, select a bunch of photos and then you

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Speaker 1: can files and you would kind of look and see

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Speaker 1: like where you're saving it, and I would browse to

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Speaker 1: that actual little thumb drive.

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Speaker 2: That's going to take you forever. That's not going to

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Speaker 2: be very easy.

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Speaker 1: So the programs that I recommend the sand disc I

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00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 1: expand they have their own little app that will help

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Speaker 1: take pictures from your phone and put them off to

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Speaker 1: the drive. Pn Y also has that. So otherwise, if

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Speaker 1: you're if their app is not working that they gave you,

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Speaker 1: you're kind of out of look because you're you're at

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Speaker 1: the mercy of that app. So I would make sure

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Speaker 1: you gave the appropriate permissions to that app so that

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Speaker 1: it can look through these files and it can look

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Speaker 1: through the photos. But this is what happens when you

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Speaker 1: take a chance on a you know, on a random

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Speaker 1: brand name that you don't really know if it's going

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Speaker 1: to work if you get it on Amazon, So check

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Speaker 1: to make sure that the drive is formatted in the

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Speaker 1: proper format. That's what I would do first, and then

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Speaker 1: maybe uninstall this app, reinstall it and see if the

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Speaker 1: things will migrate over there. The other thing you could

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Speaker 1: do is use a third party program, something like Amazing,

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00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: which I really like, and that will help you look

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Speaker 1: at your phone in a much easier way. So there's

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Speaker 1: also I mean, you could connect your phone to a

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Speaker 1: computer and you can drag the photos over that way.

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Speaker 1: You can connect it to a Windows computer. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's many ways you can do this. You can use

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Speaker 1: an app like Amazon Photos. It all depends on what

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Speaker 1: you want to get off of this phone onto somewhere else.

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Speaker 1: But I agree it is it is. It is an

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Speaker 1: issue because it's not the easiest thing to do. But

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Speaker 1: once you know how to do it and just tinker

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Speaker 1: a little bit, you should be able to do it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Wayne, appreciate it. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Robert in Roseville, Michigan. Robert, you're on with Rich.

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Speaker 11: Hey, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic.

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Speaker 11: I have never downloaded TikTok. But my question is is

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Speaker 11: this if it was created because I had an inkling

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Speaker 11: that they had created it the well, the purpose of

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Speaker 11: spying in the first place, But once it's on your phone,

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Speaker 11: and of course there's going to if I had created it,

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Speaker 11: I would create an algorithm where it would root itself

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Speaker 11: into the operating system of the phone. And even if

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Speaker 11: you remove the app, the phone is still infected. And

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Speaker 11: if you get another phone and synk the new phone

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Speaker 11: to it, it's also infected.

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Speaker 1: Well, that is a valid concern I know, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of people travel to China, people do have a

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Speaker 1: legitimate concern of the phone or device that they're using.

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Speaker 1: If you're connecting it to a network over there, you

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Speaker 1: are you are somewhat at risk with that device. Now,

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Speaker 1: I will say I do think that number one when

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Speaker 1: it comes to the iPhone, Robert, unless TikTok is really

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Speaker 1: really sly in how this thing is programmed, the iPhone

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Speaker 1: is nearly sandboxed with apps, so that means that apps

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Speaker 1: that are installed on the iPhone really can't access the

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Speaker 1: deep memory systems that they would be required to access

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Speaker 1: to do something like you're talking about now.

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Speaker 2: On Android it is a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: It can't access a lot more, although that's getting more

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Speaker 1: sandboxed as well, And so I do think these are

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Speaker 1: valid concerns. But I guess the bottom line is, you know,

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Speaker 1: if you downloaded TikTok at some point to your phone,

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Speaker 1: is your phone infected? Is it ruined forever? I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. I don't think that the app is that

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Speaker 1: nefarious as it is today, you know, as it stands.

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Speaker 1: But I will say that if there are people that

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Speaker 1: are deleting TikTok off their phone or getting rid of it,

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Speaker 1: TikTok does have some options. They do have a way

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Speaker 1: to download your data. So if you're curious what data

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Speaker 1: they have on you, they do allow you to request

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Speaker 1: a copy of that TikTok data. Now most of the

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Speaker 1: large tech companies are allowing this these days, and people

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Speaker 1: look into this stuff and it is pretty interesting. Like

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Speaker 1: I remember Facebook people were downloading their Facebook history and

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Speaker 1: they were kind of their eyes were open to how

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Speaker 1: much information Facebook has. TikTok says your may include but

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Speaker 1: it is not limited to your user name, your video history,

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Speaker 1: your comment history, and your privacy settings. That all sounds

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Speaker 1: pretty boring, but you know it could be interesting. So

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Speaker 1: you can go in the TikTok app, press profile menu,

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Speaker 1: settings in privacy account, download your data, and then request data. Now,

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Speaker 1: if you want to delete the TikTok app from your phone,

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Speaker 1: if you're worried about this thing, you can delete the app,

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Speaker 1: but that doesn't delete your account.

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Speaker 2: Remember these are two different things.

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Speaker 1: When you delete an app on your phone that does

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Speaker 1: not delete your account, you still have to go in

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Speaker 1: and delete your account. So you would have to open

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Speaker 1: up the TikTok keep calling it tiptop TikTok app. Go

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Speaker 1: into the menu and settings in privacy under account there

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Speaker 1: is a deactivate or delete account, so you can deactivate

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Speaker 1: or delete the account. Robert, I do think it is

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Speaker 1: you know, there are valid concerns here, and I think

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Speaker 1: so much of this stuff that's happening around TikTok, there

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Speaker 1: is some concerns that are rooted in reality. And I

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Speaker 1: think these concerns are with all of the phones and

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Speaker 1: all of the apps that we have on our phones,

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Speaker 1: and then some of it is rooted in we just

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Speaker 1: don't know, and I think it's kind of wild to

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Speaker 1: imagine that something would be banned because we just don't know,

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Speaker 1: but that seems to be what is happening here? Eighty

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Speaker 1: today in the newsletter, I talked about just all of

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Speaker 1: the information that apps can collect on our phone. There

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Speaker 1: is a lot of it. All right, We'll have more

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Speaker 1: of your questions coming up after this. Plus I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you why Airbnb is banning security cameras in certain places,

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Speaker 1: and I'll tell you why Walmart is selling a MacBook

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Speaker 1: Air for its cheapest price yet you are listening to

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Speaker 1: rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich

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Speaker 1: DeMuro here hanging out with you Talking technology. Phone line

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Speaker 1: is eight eight eight rich one oh one eight eight

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Speaker 1: eight seven four to two four one zero one. If

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Speaker 1: you are in the market for a new MacBook Air

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Speaker 1: and you don't need something that is the latest, greatest,

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Speaker 1: and you don't want to spend a whole lot of money,

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Speaker 1: Walmart has a MacBook Air for six hundred and ninety

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Speaker 1: nine dollars. This is the first time that Walmart has

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Speaker 1: sold an Apple maclaptop directly. They've sold them on the

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Speaker 1: website in the past, but it hasn't been directly from

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Speaker 1: Walmart like it's been a third party listing. So they're

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Speaker 1: selling the base model M one MacBook Air online and

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Speaker 1: some stores will get it in store for six hundred

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Speaker 1: ninety nine dollars. That is fifty dollars cheaper than the

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Speaker 1: previous cheapest price on this laptop. So during the holidays,

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Speaker 1: this MacBook Air M one was basically seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars. I'm trying to figure out when this came out.

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Speaker 1: Let's see launch date. It's a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 1: this November twenty twenty, so it's about four years old.

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Speaker 1: But you know, here's the thing. The Apple products, especially

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Speaker 1: the M one chip, is really powerful. So I have

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Speaker 1: no problem recommending this if you're doing just simple things

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Speaker 1: like surfing the web, maybe some photos, maybe lightlight video editing.

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Speaker 1: It's basically an iPhone in a computer, so anything you

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Speaker 1: can do on the iPhone, you'd be able to do

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Speaker 1: on this thing. So six hundred ninety nine bucks. It's

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Speaker 1: in brand new condition, so again not a bad deal.

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Speaker 1: And this is kind of the start. I mean, Walmart

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Speaker 1: is a huge retailer and Apple is a very popular market,

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Speaker 1: so putting those two together, they're going to sell a

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Speaker 1: lot of these things. Airbnb is banning indoor security cameras,

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Speaker 1: so no more indoor security cameras in any listings globally,

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Speaker 1: regardless of the location of the camera, the purpose, or

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Speaker 1: even if it's on the listing. And if you have

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Speaker 1: an outdoor camera, those have to be disclosed before booking,

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Speaker 1: and you can't have those looking to the indoor spaces.

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Speaker 1: So you can't have like an outside camera that's looking

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Speaker 1: into the living room with the windows. And if there's

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Speaker 1: an outdoor area that comes with an expectation of privacy,

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Speaker 1: you can't have a camera there either. The example they

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Speaker 1: gave was sort of like an outdoor shower. If you're

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Speaker 1: at like an Airbnb that has that, you couldn't put

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Speaker 1: a camera there. I mean that makes sense. Also, noise

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Speaker 1: decibel monitors. Did you know that a lot of airbnbs

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Speaker 1: have these things? They monitor the noise level in the

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Speaker 1: airbnb so that the owner can figure out if there's

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Speaker 1: a party going on, because parties are also banned at airbnbs,

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Speaker 1: like big old house parties. You can have your friends

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Speaker 1: and family, maybe you know a couple people over, but

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Speaker 1: you can't have a giant, you know, rager. So those

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Speaker 1: are allowed in common spaces, but they also must be

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Speaker 1: disclosed on the listing and they can't record or transmit

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Speaker 1: sounds or conversations, so you can't say, well, I've got

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Speaker 1: this little two way speaker set up and I'm just

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Speaker 1: listening in for the sound level.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, you can't do that. It has to

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Speaker 2: be a decibel monitor.

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Speaker 1: The updated policy takes effect on April thirtieth of this year,

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Speaker 1: so I think that's you know, I know, I understand

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Speaker 1: the need to monitor your place and keep it secure,

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Speaker 1: and video door bells and things like that are still fine,

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Speaker 1: and external cameras are still fine, but it's like it's

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Speaker 1: really it became this thing where like everyone that's staying

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Speaker 1: at an Airbnb is wondering if there's a hidden camera

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Speaker 1: in there, and that's concerning, and you definitely don't want

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Speaker 1: to be I don't know, it's just you want to

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Speaker 1: have privacy, but you also want to have protection for

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Speaker 1: your place. So Airbnb's got to ride these lines and

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Speaker 1: that's the that's the new reality there. Let's go to Mike.

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Speaker 1: Mike is in Riverside, California, Mic around with Rich.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Rich, I'm a Christian.

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Speaker 12: Was listening at the very beginning of your show with

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Speaker 12: the TikTok controversy.

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Speaker 3: Sure, what makes you think that Instagram.

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Speaker 6: And Facebook and the other.

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Speaker 12: Social media apps they all sell our data to third parties?

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Speaker 12: What makes anybody think that China doesn't buy them from

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Speaker 12: third parties?

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Speaker 1: And they probably do, and like everyone does, and so

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Speaker 1: I think that that is a valid concern, and that's

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Speaker 1: kind of why I went through the beginning of the

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Speaker 1: show to explain that, like, all these apps are collecting

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Speaker 1: very similar data, but the difference I think with China

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Speaker 1: number one, they've got it directly. And again it's a

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Speaker 1: country that you know, we're frontemies with and so that's

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Speaker 1: part of it. But also it's the compliance issue too.

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Speaker 1: So like our expert was saying, you know, these companies

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Speaker 1: that are based in China, if there's an issue, there's

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Speaker 1: no procedure they say, hey, you got to do this,

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Speaker 1: and they have to comply. We're here in the US.

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Speaker 1: We've seen example time and time again where these big

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Speaker 1: tech companies don't comply and they and they secure the data.

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Speaker 1: In fact, Apple and a lot of these tech companies

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Speaker 1: have been sort of what they've been doing with their

1016
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Speaker 1: data is they've been encrypting it and throwing away the

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Speaker 1: key so that nobody has it. And that's smart because

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Speaker 1: well for them, because it takes them out of the mix,

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Speaker 1: right when someone says when they let's say, let's say

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Speaker 1: you got a ring video doorbell, and you end to

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Speaker 1: end encrypt that and nobody can access that except you,

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Speaker 1: And so if someone wants that video like Ring, couldn't

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Speaker 1: even hand that over because they don't have the key

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Speaker 1: to that. And so that's not what they're doing by default.

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Speaker 1: But you have the option as the owner of that

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Speaker 1: camera to do that, and that we're seeing that more

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Speaker 1: and more where the encryption levels are getting higher, which

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Speaker 1: is also kind of scary because there are some you know,

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Speaker 1: actual valid concerns of why we may need to tap

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Speaker 1: into some of this info. But as for Facebook and

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Speaker 1: you know, Instagram and all these other companies, I am

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Speaker 1: sure there's a ton of data flowing that way.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's a lot of money being exchanged.

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Speaker 1: But American companies are doing the same thing to us,

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Speaker 1: where you know, when you walk into a grocery store,

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Speaker 1: they know who you are, they know what you're buying,

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Speaker 1: they know what you watched on TV, they know what

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Speaker 1: you served on your phone, and they're mixing all those

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Speaker 1: things together to come up with a pretty good idea

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Speaker 1: of if you're going to walk into that store and

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Speaker 1: buy kitty litter or if you're going to buy diapers.

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Speaker 6: And yeah, a real quick second question, why wasn't there

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Speaker 6: big up for when when my granddaughter and grandson we're

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Speaker 6: walking around with.

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Speaker 12: Pokemon about fifteen years ago, which was totally a Chinese government.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Pokemon the game, the one that everyone's walking that

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Speaker 1: is they actually licensed that. That's actually a US company.

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Speaker 1: That's Niantic, which is spun out of Google. So that

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Speaker 1: is as far as I know, that's completely Niantic is is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was spun out of Google.

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Speaker 1: So now the interesting thing about Niantic is actually what

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Speaker 1: their mission was and why they came up with these

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Speaker 1: these things. And if you look at what Niantic's done

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Speaker 1: over the years, everything has to do with AR and mapping.

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Speaker 1: Their whole mo was collecting data about the US. They

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Speaker 1: were by people walking around. They were getting real life

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Speaker 1: and they still are real life information and live information

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Speaker 1: about the world around them, which could all be monetized.

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Speaker 1: Great question, Mike and Riverside, Thanks so much for the call.

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Speaker 1: Eighty to eight rich one on one. Coming up, we'll

1061
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Speaker 1: talk about how your car is spying on you? Is

1062
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 1: everyone spying? What's happening here? You're listening to rich on Tech.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging

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Speaker 1: out with you. The website for the show richon Tech

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Speaker 1: dot TV. The phone number eight eight eight rich one

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Speaker 1: O one eight eight eight seven four to two four

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Speaker 1: one zero one. Joining me now is Kashmir Hill, technology

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Speaker 1: reporter for the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Cashmere.

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Speaker 1: The headline this week automakers are sharing consumers driving behavior

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Speaker 1: with insurance companies. So explain how our cars are spying

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Speaker 1: on us?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, So, cars today are essentially computers on wheels. You know,

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Speaker 13: they are usually Internet connected if you've turned on connected services,

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Speaker 13: and they have all kinds of sensors and cameras in them,

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Speaker 13: and so they can collect a lot of information about you.

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Speaker 13: I mean there's nice things about being Internet connected. You

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Speaker 13: can turn it on and off remotely, but it does

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Speaker 13: mean that your car can spy on you, and that

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Speaker 13: is what has happened to a lot of drivers, but

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Speaker 13: particularly those who drive a car made by General Motors,

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Speaker 13: which I'm sure you know if you're in one, but

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Speaker 13: you know Chevrolet, Cadillac, Corvette, Camaro GMC. If you have

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Speaker 13: one of those cars and you're enrolled in a program

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Speaker 13: called smart Drive, then your information is being collected how

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Speaker 13: far you drive, when and where you go on trips,

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Speaker 13: you're breaking your acceleration, you're speeding, and it is being

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Speaker 13: sold to data brokers who are sharing it with insurance

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Speaker 13: companies and that.

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Speaker 2: Might make your ray go off.

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Speaker 1: So okay, So there's a lot to unpack here because

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Speaker 1: there is so First off, the connected cars. So I

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Speaker 1: was at a data conference years ago and they had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of reps from different car companies, and one

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Speaker 1: of the car makers said to me when I asked,

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, because why is this company at

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Speaker 1: a data conference, right? And they said, oh, the amount

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Speaker 1: of data that we collect from your car is people

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Speaker 1: would be amazed if they knew about it. And I said, wait,

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Speaker 1: what like, you're collecting data on my car and they said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so some of that is going back to the companies,

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Speaker 1: like the car companies, and they're not really sharing that,

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Speaker 1: but this is where they are actually sharing it without

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Speaker 1: us knowing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I mean so a lot of the car companies have

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Speaker 13: in the last couple of years put a service center

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Speaker 13: app that's called driver Scoring or driver Feedback, and in

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Speaker 13: the case of General Motors it's called Smart Driver, and

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Speaker 13: it's a way for you to to to basically like

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Speaker 13: hear whether you're a good driver or not, and it'll

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Speaker 13: tell you, you know, be gentler on the brakes or

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Speaker 13: you know, uh, don't don't be so rough on your accelerator.

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Speaker 2: Like it's like a report card for how you drive exactly.

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Speaker 13: And with General Motors they made it really fun, like

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Speaker 13: you could get digital badges like break.

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Speaker 14: Genius and speed Limit Hero.

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Speaker 13: But what was in the fine print with some automakers

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Speaker 13: like Honda in Kia, but not so much with General Motors,

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Speaker 13: is that once you turn this feature on, your data

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Speaker 13: was actually going to either Lexus Nexus Risk Solution or

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Speaker 13: another another data broker called Barrisk, and they in many

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Speaker 13: cases were the one that were giving you the score.

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Speaker 13: They were like running the program, but to you it

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Speaker 13: just looked like your automaker was doing it.

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Speaker 2: So it's like a credit report for your driving, for your.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it's exactly.

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Speaker 13: And and in the case of General Motors, some people

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Speaker 13: said they didn't even turn on Smart Driver, they didn't

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Speaker 13: enroll it if they don't understand how they were enrolled

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Speaker 13: in it, like it may have happened at the dealership,

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Speaker 13: you know, when you're going through all that paperwork and

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Speaker 13: the you're signing lots of things that maybe it got

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Speaker 13: turned on then.

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Speaker 14: But once it was turned on, these data brokers were

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Speaker 14: getting your data. And then insurance companies go to these

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Speaker 14: data brokers, like when you're.

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Speaker 13: Trying to get quotes for auto insurance or renewing your policy.

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Speaker 13: These are who the intern companies go to to figure out,

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Speaker 13: you know, how they should should price your policy.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, And so they get this information and they

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Speaker 1: notice that you're a heartbreaker or a speeder, and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your insurance price goes up.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I mean that's the way I discovered this story is

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Speaker 13: that I decided this year I really want to look

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Speaker 13: into what it means that cars are connected now and

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Speaker 13: that are so much data is kind of leaving our cars.

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Speaker 14: And so I was hanging out in car forums online.

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Speaker 14: It's a there's a lot of people talking about their car.

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Speaker 13: Online, and I was seeing these reports from people who

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Speaker 13: drove like Chevrolet Bolts and Camaros and Corvettes that their

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Speaker 13: insurance was going up by like twenty percent, fifty percent,

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Speaker 13: sometimes doubled. And when they'd asked the insurance agent why,

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Speaker 13: the agent would say, it's your Lexus Nexus report. You

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Speaker 13: should go pull it and so you can request this

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Speaker 13: under the Fair Credit Reporting Act.

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Speaker 14: And when they would get the report from Lexus Nexus,

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Speaker 14: it would have hundreds of pages of every trip they

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Speaker 14: had taken in their car over the last six months.

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Speaker 14: And they were just astounded. They had no idea that

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Speaker 14: that was there. And when they looked at who shared it,

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Speaker 14: it was General Motors.

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Speaker 2: That is so wild.

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Speaker 1: The interesting thing here to me is that we've seen

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Speaker 1: ads on TV for these insurance company programs where you

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Speaker 1: would install something in your car or use your phone

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Speaker 1: as kind of a intermediary where it monitors you're driving

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Speaker 1: to give you a better rate on your insurance. Right

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Speaker 1: like if you only drive a certain amount or if

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Speaker 1: you're a safe driver. And people have been pretty hesitant

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Speaker 1: to sign up for those programs, I would assume, so

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Speaker 1: to have this done in kind of a roundabout way

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Speaker 1: where you're not even realizing that you're enrolled in that

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Speaker 1: is even worse.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, that's those kind of insurance programs.

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Speaker 13: It's called usage based insurance, and those have been around

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Speaker 13: for at least a decade now.

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Speaker 14: And you do it very knowingly.

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Speaker 13: You know, you'd get a dongle and you plug it

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Speaker 13: into your car, or you download a smartphone app and usually, yeah,

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Speaker 13: you get a discount on your premium. And the thing

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Speaker 13: is that I talked to this one professor for the

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Speaker 13: story and he was very in favor of usage based insurance.

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Speaker 13: He said, when people sign up for these programs, the

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Speaker 13: impact on safety is enormous. People who know they are

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Speaker 13: monitored are better drivers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, But.

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Speaker 13: The problem with what General Motors and these other automakers

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Speaker 13: are doing is that the people didn't realize that they

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Speaker 13: were being monitored and how they drove was going to

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Speaker 13: impact their insurance. So you don't get that that kind

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Speaker 13: of benefit to public safety.

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Speaker 14: You just have these people getting charged more.

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Speaker 1: I mean in one way, you're getting the real life

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Speaker 1: picture of how these people drive, and it makes sense

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Speaker 1: that they would have to pay more if they're an

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Speaker 1: aggressive driver. But on the flip side, if people do

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Speaker 1: truly mine their manners when they are knowing they're being monitored,

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Speaker 1: then that's better for everyone because of the safety aspect.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, and then there's this other question of how reliable

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Speaker 13: is this data that's kind of being siphoned from our car?

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Speaker 13: The drivers I talk to and everybody overestimates how good

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Speaker 13: a driver they are. So the people I talked to said, hey,

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Speaker 13: I'm a safe driver. You know, I am not overly aggressive.

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Speaker 13: I have not been in an accident, like you know,

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Speaker 13: I do speed sometimes, I mean who honestly, who doesn't.

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 14: I do break sometimes. I have fun if I'm alone

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Speaker 14: on the road.

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Speaker 13: But they said, you know, generally that they weren't aggressive drivers,

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Speaker 13: and they were. They were upset that they're their insurance

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Speaker 13: rates were going up when it wasn't based on, you know,

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Speaker 13: that they'd gotten an accent or done something that really

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Speaker 13: should justify the insurance going up.

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Speaker 1: What were the car company's response to your questions? What

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Speaker 1: did GM say about this?

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Speaker 4: So?

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Speaker 13: GM said that people consent to this program, that they

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Speaker 13: felt that they were doing this with the full awareness

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Speaker 13: of drivers.

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Speaker 14: And you know, I said, you're not.

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Speaker 13: You know, I'm talking to these drivers who didn't know

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Speaker 13: this was happening, some drivers who didn't even enroll in

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Speaker 13: Smart Driver. And what they said is that people opt

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Speaker 13: in three times. The first time is when they enroll

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Speaker 13: in on Star, which is the Connected services suite for

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Speaker 13: GM cars, said, the second time is when they turned

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Speaker 13: on Smart Driver, which they did either in the app

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Speaker 13: or at the at the dealership. And the third time

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Speaker 13: is when what I was talking about earlier, when they're

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Speaker 13: shopping for insurance. Generally an insurance company will tell you,

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Speaker 13: you know, we would like to request third part Aready

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Speaker 13: reports about you. And when those people said yes to that,

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Speaker 13: they may not have realized it, but that was kind

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Speaker 13: of opening opening the door to all of this this

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Speaker 13: telematics data like flowing over to the insurance company. So

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Speaker 13: GM said, you know, we don't think we're doing anything wrong.

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Speaker 13: We think this helps people to be bad drivers. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: I was surprised, and they also said they and I said, well,

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Speaker 13: where do you disclose it? Like I actually have a

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Speaker 13: Chevrolet bolt which is made by GM, and so I

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Speaker 13: downloaded the my Chevrolet app, I connected my car to

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Speaker 13: the app, and then I looked at the enrollment for

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01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 13: smart Driver and all it said was like develop better

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01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 13: driving habits, like get digital badges. It didn't say anything

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Speaker 13: about Alexis Nexus and Barisk are going to get all

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Speaker 13: your driving data.

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Speaker 14: And I said, where is this disclosed to people?

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Speaker 13: And the spokeswoman pointed to the privacy policy for on Start. Yeah,

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Speaker 13: everyononder and then I she says, it's under third parties data.

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Speaker 14: We share a third party.

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Speaker 13: So I go read that and it's like, yeah, sometimes

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Speaker 13: GM has has, you know, deals with third parties like

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Speaker 13: Serious XM. You know they're in your car and they're

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Speaker 13: going to get data for your car. And it didn't

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Speaker 13: say anything about Lexus Nexus or Varus or how this

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Speaker 13: is going to go to insurance company. So there was

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Speaker 13: a class action lawsuit filed this week. I suspect the

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Speaker 13: Federal Trade Commission is investigating. I do think there's going

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Speaker 13: to be consequences for how they are running this program.

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Speaker 1: Okay, real quick, I've got about thirty seconds. What do

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Speaker 1: you think someone does to check if they're in one

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Speaker 1: of these things?

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Speaker 2: Or what should they do.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, So check your app if you have a connected

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Speaker 13: car app, see if this thing is turned on, and

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Speaker 13: go to Lexus Nexus, go to Varis. You can actually

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Speaker 13: request your consumer file and you should definitely do that.

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Speaker 14: And CEEFA is you're driving data leaking out there?

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Speaker 1: All right, Cashmere Hill, technology reporter for the New York Times.

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Speaker 3: tasks than I think I was available to do.

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Speaker 1: Well, keep talking, Mike, I appreciate it. Just keep going.

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Speaker 1: We have another hour, so I'll let you take the floor.

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Speaker 3: Kidding, I'll tell you this. I went on your website

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Speaker 3: and the notes that you take from every uh all

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01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 3: of your shows are real helpful. Because I was actually

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01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 3: going back. I was able to go back to a

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01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 3: couple of things that you talked about, and I've been

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Speaker 3: able to use those to my business.

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Speaker 2: So perfect.

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Speaker 3: Really, it's it's a great it's a very uh useful.

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Speaker 7: Show.

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Speaker 2: Is that is the goal.

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Speaker 1: The entire goal is to be helpful, and I'm so

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01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: glad that you are figuring that out and other people

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01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:03,200
Speaker 1: as well.

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01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 2: So what can I help you with today?

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Speaker 3: Well, I am a newbie technology wise, and my sister

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01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 3: has an old Galaxy G seven G. She uses it

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01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 3: as a phone and also through our business for she

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Speaker 3: takes a lot of photographs and videos. We own a

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Speaker 3: jewelry store, a jewelry store, okay, and we're always putting

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Speaker 3: pictures off and she's always taking several photos, doctoring them

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01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 3: so we can put them up on Facebook and so forth.

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01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 3: The phone's got to be five six years old. There's

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Speaker 3: sixteen gigabytes on an internal storage. I went through and

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Speaker 3: I would periodically pull all the data or all the photos,

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Speaker 3: the images, what I could. I would jump it out

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Speaker 3: of her treate on her PC to clear it up

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01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 3: because right now internally it's fifteen point one gigs are

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Speaker 3: used to run the phone.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, and only has sixteen gigs total. Yeah. Oh,

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01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 2: so you're always running up against the clock there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So what I did is I pulled everything off

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Speaker 3: the phone that I could that were but videos or

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01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 3: or photos. I put them on the SD card on

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01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,600
Speaker 3: it or pulled them off the phone. I went through

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01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 3: and cleared the cash on every one of the apps

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01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 3: in there, some of them that I knew of. I

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01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 3: was able to either uninstall or clear the data on them,

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01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 3: or just do a four stop. And right now.

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Speaker 15: What I'm planning on doing is removing the context apps

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01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 15: and then sending the phone back to factory spects, because

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01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 15: I was told that maybe when she jammed all those

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01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 15: photos and stuff in memory, it might just be constantly

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01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,800
Speaker 15: filled and it won't be able to clear that through

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01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:35,600
Speaker 15: the cash.

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01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:38,160
Speaker 3: What would you suggest, Well.

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01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 1: In the in the long in the longer term, I'd

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01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:44,040
Speaker 1: suggest you probably got to get a phone with more memory.

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01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: In the short term, does this take a memory card?

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01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 2: Do you know?

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01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 3: It has an SD card? But nothing can go on it.

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01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,280
Speaker 3: It's all, you know, nothing transfers over, it's all stuck

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01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 3: in the internal.

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01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 2: Okay, well there there should be.

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01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: Gosh, it's been a while since I used a phone

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01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: with a with a with an SD card. But you

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01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 1: should be able to set the default on the camera

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01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: to where it saves to save to the.

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Speaker 3: That is on that photos and videos go to the

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01:09:14,160 --> 01:09:14,759
Speaker 3: s Okay.

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01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so photos and videos go to the SD card,

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01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 1: right the other stuff stays on the internals. In that case,

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01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 1: I mean the with the system memory taking or the

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01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 1: system settings taking up fifteen gigs on a sixteen gigabyte phone.

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01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: That's wild. And I'm looking here.

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01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 1: So if you go into settings and then you go

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01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: into whereas it here, I just had it settings device

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01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: Care and then it says storage, that'll give you, you know,

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01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:48,960
Speaker 1: if you're using an Android phone is specifically Samsung Settings

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01:09:49,360 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: and then device care and then storage. That will give

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01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: you an idea of what is taking up your storage.

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01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: So these Samsungs do a really good job of this.

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Speaker 1: I think on iPhone it's a little bit trickier because

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01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: they try to, you know, make this stuff a little

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01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:05,519
Speaker 1: bit tougher to find. But on Samsung is really easy.

1377
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,639
Speaker 1: So I can see I've got forty seven percent used

1378
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:10,559
Speaker 1: right now. It gives me a breakdown of videos, images,

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01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 1: installation files, audio files, documents, compressed files, apps, system. Now

1380
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 1: my system takes up sixteen gigabytes just like you said,

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01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: other files and then trash and then there's so and

1382
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: then there's some things underneath that will that you can do.

1383
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: So you can delete the trash, which on my phone

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01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,519
Speaker 1: is three gigs. Unused apps. You can uninstall apps that

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01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: you haven't used in thirty days, duplicate files you can

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01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: get rid of those, and then large files. So that's

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01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: one way of kind of going through and seeing if

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01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 1: there's anything you've missed. I think, Mike, you're on to

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01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:44,880
Speaker 1: the right You're onto the right kind of path with

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01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 1: reformatting that phone to see what you can do. Because

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01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: what I would do is, if you want to keep

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01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: using this phone, just reform at it, you know, factory

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 1: reset it. That'll get everything back to the factory. You've

1394
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 1: got that SD card in there to take the picture,

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01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,439
Speaker 1: So if you're using this phone primarily as a camera

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01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: to take pictures of this jewelry, then if the photos

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01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: are going to the external memory, you're going to be

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01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 1: just fine. But I would not install any new apps

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01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: on this phone. I would not do anything extra on

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01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:16,600
Speaker 1: this thing because you're already out of memory before you

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01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 1: even start. So in the long term, I'd probably look

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01:11:20,240 --> 01:11:22,639
Speaker 1: at maybe getting a device that has a little bit

1403
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: more storage, just because this is an older device and

1404
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 1: it definitely seems like you know that's an issue. But

1405
01:11:29,880 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 1: if you're only using it to take pictures, like I said,

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01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: then I think you're going to be just fine by

1407
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 1: factory resetting it and then just you know, setting it

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01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: up from scratch and making sure that you don't install

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01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,840
Speaker 1: anything new and making sure that the photos go to

1410
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: the external memory card. Or you can install if you're

1411
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,919
Speaker 1: like an Amazon Prime member, you can install their Amazon

1412
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: Photos app and all your photos can go there and

1413
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:53,640
Speaker 1: then you can just delete the photos once they go there,

1414
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 1: and that's free unlimited photo storage. If you're an Amazon

1415
01:11:56,840 --> 01:11:58,639
Speaker 1: Prime member, that's Amazon Photos.

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01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:00,240
Speaker 2: The other thing you do.

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01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: Google makes a great app called the Files by Google App,

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01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: and so I would download that on this device and

1419
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: use that before you format it just kind of see

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01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: you can clean up your phone. They've got a lot

1421
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: of different things on there to help you clean up

1422
01:12:14,040 --> 01:12:16,920
Speaker 1: your phone. And that is made directly by Google. It's

1423
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: called Files by Google. And the way you can tell

1424
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 1: it's the official one, look at the publisher.

1425
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 2: It should say.

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01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: Google LLC when you look it up in the Google

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01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: Play Store. Because there's a lot of cleaner apps, there's

1428
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:30,400
Speaker 1: a lot of helper apps, but you want to get

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01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: the one that is directly by Google. Mike, thanks so

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01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:36,000
Speaker 1: much for the kind words there in Royal Oak, Michigan.

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01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: Appreciate it and hopefully you can get that sorted out

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01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:58,800
Speaker 1: Right now, it's just a you.

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01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 2: Know, all these social media company are great.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've got Facebook, I've got Instagram, I've got Twitter,

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Speaker 1: but it's very discombobulated, and I feel like when I

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Speaker 1: sit down and just create that newsletter every week, it's

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Speaker 1: all of like the main things I think you should know,

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01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: kind of like this show. Isn't that what I say?

1463
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:15,920
Speaker 1: This is the tech stuff I think you should know about.

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Speaker 1: it goes even further because I'll you know, it's all

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Speaker 1: the links and things just a little like today, I

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Speaker 1: was using this website and I was like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: should include that in the newsletter. And it's just a

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Speaker 1: handy little website stuff like that. Let's go to uh Tom,

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Speaker 1: Let's see here.

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Speaker 2: Line four. Tom is in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Did I

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01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 2: say that right that? I had to look it up.

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01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: I I have seen this name a million times and

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01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to pronounce it.

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01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 4: That's French. Clear Water there we go?

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01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 2: Is there clear water? There? There is very nice? Well,

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01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 2: what can I help you with?

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01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:54,439
Speaker 13: So?

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01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,879
Speaker 4: I've got an old motor role with DROI turbo.

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01:14:58,360 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 2: Oh, one of my favorite you know. I okay, sorry

1481
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: I interrupted you on.

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01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 4: That as hands down on the best I ever used.

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01:15:04,720 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: I switched to Android from an iPhone because of the

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01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: artist helt me think about this. I'm trying to remember.

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01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: That was the first phone that had turn by turn

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01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: GPS navigation through Google Maps, and so I went out.

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01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: I waited in line to buy that phone. Anyway, keep going,

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01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 2: phenomenal phone.

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01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,280
Speaker 4: And it took a beating, but anyways I got. I

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01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:26,559
Speaker 4: got a Doge wallet on there, like the old Doge wallet,

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01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 4: like before Dolage was anything. It's got about a half

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01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:34,439
Speaker 4: or five hundred thousand Dolge in it. But I've got

1493
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 4: a pattern lock on it. And I don't want to

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01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 4: get into the reason why I would put a pattern

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01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 4: lock on it.

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01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 2: Well back in the day that we did, that's what

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01:15:42,400 --> 01:15:43,599
Speaker 2: we did. We put pattern locks.

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01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 1: So you're talking five hundred thousand doze coins is at

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01:15:48,439 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaker 1: fourteen cents about seventy thousand bucks.

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01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 2: Does that sound about right someplace in there?

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Speaker 5: Ye?

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01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:58,720
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And big cod Crypto in general has

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01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:00,920
Speaker 1: been just on fire recently.

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01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 4: So last month it's just it's just breathed.

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01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking one month for dose up sixty

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01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: six percent, one year, ninety seven percent up. Now we're

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01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: talking fourteen cents for a coin. But still this is

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01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:18,439
Speaker 1: if you've got so many.

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01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 4: Of them for all of it.

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01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, okay, so wait, this phone is locked

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01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 1: and you can't access this.

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01:16:24,280 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 3: I can't access I forgot the pattern.

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01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 4: I forgot the pattern. And it's the old dodwallet that

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01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 4: you'd never registered. So there's no name on it, there's

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01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:33,360
Speaker 4: no email addressed to it.

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01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Okay, so uh, let's see. So this

1517
01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:44,160
Speaker 1: is a droid turbo, so there is there, there may be,

1518
01:16:44,439 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 1: and there may be.

1519
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 2: One way that you can do this.

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01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 1: So number one, if have you tried a bunch of

1521
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: different patterns and does it lock you out after a

1522
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: certain point?

1523
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, and it.

1524
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 4: Gets and I haven't. So the last time I did it,

1525
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,320
Speaker 4: I got to the pattern number nine where so it

1526
01:16:58,360 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 4: was going to factory reset next and I haven't tried

1527
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 4: unlock it now in like six months. Okay, there is

1528
01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 4: a safe start mode on it, but I can't get

1529
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 4: it to go into it. But even if I could,

1530
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,000
Speaker 4: I don't even know if that safe start has you know,

1531
01:17:12,040 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 4: if I'm able to act as the map or the app.

1532
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 1: No, the safe start well, yeah, a safe yeah, but

1533
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 1: you'd still need to unlock the phone.

1534
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 2: It doesn't just go into it. You'd still have to

1535
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 2: unlock it.

1536
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 4: And that's yeah, but I can't get it to go

1537
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 4: into that anyway.

1538
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: Right, and then the other things are obviously to you know,

1539
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,640
Speaker 1: all the other solutions would be to just format it

1540
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:31,439
Speaker 1: to get it, you know, you know, back to factory,

1541
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,559
Speaker 1: but that would ruin this, uh situation. So the only

1542
01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: thing is that I'm just looking up some information here.

1543
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 1: So back in the day, Google used to let you

1544
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 1: reset your pattern with certain versions of Android, so version

1545
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:50,480
Speaker 1: four point four and older. Now, this is the motoroladroid,

1546
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: you said, and according to.

1547
01:17:52,920 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 3: That on there.

1548
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:56,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I know Deak what you're talking about. But

1549
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,080
Speaker 4: the problem is my Google account doesn't recognize that bone.

1550
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:02,599
Speaker 2: Your Google account.

1551
01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:04,799
Speaker 1: So when you try so, so you've gotten the message

1552
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 1: where it says forgot uh and log and recover with

1553
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,799
Speaker 1: Google account and it won't let you recover.

1554
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: Yep, oh gosh, it's.

1555
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 4: Not It's not listed on my account anymore. Is that

1556
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:15,400
Speaker 4: being an active?

1557
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, here's what you have to do.

1558
01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: You've got to go on chat ebt and you've got

1559
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: to say, I've got a pattern I need to unlock

1560
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:28,240
Speaker 1: on this phone. Give me the top most popular patterns,

1561
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: the first uh, the first one hundred most popular patterns,

1562
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: and you have to try five of those a day.

1563
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:35,479
Speaker 2: This is your job.

1564
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 1: This is your full time job, because once you get

1565
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: to nine, it's gonna say, you know, we got to

1566
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,640
Speaker 1: reset this phone.

1567
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,639
Speaker 2: But you have you have to really did you set

1568
01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:48,080
Speaker 2: up this phone?

1569
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 4: I did? I did, and you know what I I

1570
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 4: never so I actually never put a never put a

1571
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 4: lock on any of my phones ever.

1572
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 2: But you did for this one because you had the

1573
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: doze on it. You wanted to secure it.

1574
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 4: No, that's actually and that's not might even put the

1575
01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 4: lock on there. I actually had opened up my house

1576
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:08,479
Speaker 4: to some unfortunate people. Will leave it at that, and uh,

1577
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:11,719
Speaker 4: like they were, they started stealing some of my stuff,

1578
01:19:11,720 --> 01:19:14,519
Speaker 4: so I threw a lock on it. Oh well, you

1579
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 4: know while I was waiting to get them out of

1580
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:19,040
Speaker 4: the house. And then in between that, I bought a

1581
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 4: new phone, and I just never never thought about it

1582
01:19:21,880 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 4: until you know, doats took off. I knew that doage

1583
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 4: was on there. I completely forgot I ever put the

1584
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,720
Speaker 4: pattern lock on it oh like four years later like

1585
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:33,439
Speaker 4: dogs started scream. Then I goes like, all right, what

1586
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 4: do I do? Now?

1587
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing.

1588
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of joking about the chat GPT stuff,

1589
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,160
Speaker 1: but I do think you need to try a couple

1590
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:41,840
Speaker 1: of patterns that you think might be it. Because I'm

1591
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 1: looking at this little icon on the website, and I'm

1592
01:19:45,320 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 1: looking at the pattern screen, which was very prominent and

1593
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 1: Android for a very long time, and I can remember

1594
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:52,040
Speaker 1: like some of the patterns that I used to use,

1595
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:53,680
Speaker 1: Like when I visualize it, I'm like, oh yeah, I

1596
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: used to use this kind of like pattern. So you know,

1597
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 1: stare at the screen, see if you can come up

1598
01:19:59,479 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 1: with something and try a couple and just when that

1599
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,679
Speaker 1: thing unlocks, you're you're gonna have a u a very

1600
01:20:04,680 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: interesting reaction.

1601
01:20:05,680 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 2: So make sure you have a camera recording yourself.

1602
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 4: But you know, I know there's gotta there's gotta be

1603
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 4: a way because I mean, I know, like like the

1604
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,479
Speaker 4: government or the police department or the FBI, they have

1605
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 4: to have a way to bypass.

1606
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,639
Speaker 1: Well there, okay, so there is a there is a device.

1607
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'm trying to remember what it's called.

1608
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:30,640
Speaker 1: The gray uh said gray scale. Oh my gosh, hold on,

1609
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: it's a device that they use to unlock phones. Hold on,

1610
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: so yes, there is something. Uh, oh my gosh, they

1611
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: used it. Uh gosh, I gotta remember what the name is.

1612
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:44,400
Speaker 1: It's not coming to me, but it's something gray. It's

1613
01:20:44,439 --> 01:20:51,080
Speaker 1: like either gray lock or gray great device to unlocked phones.

1614
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: I've got a great key. There you go, so uh,

1615
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 1: there you go, great key, and you may be able

1616
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,599
Speaker 1: to find one of these things are somehow Now these

1617
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: are sold I think to law enforcement, but this is

1618
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:07,799
Speaker 1: you know, that's just have you heard of that before?

1619
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: All right, So Tom, you got to do your homework.

1620
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,040
Speaker 1: Check out great key. I don't know, make some friends

1621
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: with the uh, with the law enforcement in your area.

1622
01:21:15,320 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: See if they have one of these things and give

1623
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: them a cut. If they can unlock this.

1624
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:18,719
Speaker 2: I don't.

1625
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:20,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's how it works, but uh,

1626
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 1: look up great key, try the coach. But I feel

1627
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:29,960
Speaker 1: for you, and in having this on the show, maybe

1628
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: someone by you know, will email me and be like, rich,

1629
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:34,719
Speaker 1: this is how you do it, and I will pass

1630
01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: it on to you. So Tom, good luck with this

1631
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 1: with this And I feel for you, but I mean

1632
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,360
Speaker 1: you had good taste in phones.

1633
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,280
Speaker 4: One of the best cameras I've ever used.

1634
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call today.

1635
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and please keep us updated because that's

1636
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:51,600
Speaker 1: that's one of the wildest things I've heard. But the

1637
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,960
Speaker 1: takeaway when you set up an account, and I know

1638
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 1: that Tom mentioned that there is no sort of way

1639
01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,920
Speaker 1: to save this, but there are things called covery keys,

1640
01:22:00,960 --> 01:22:03,320
Speaker 1: and especially if you're setting up crypto. Here's what we

1641
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,080
Speaker 1: all do, and I've been guilty of this. You set

1642
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,800
Speaker 1: something up really fast and you just flow, you fly

1643
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: through all those screens that are like, hey, do you

1644
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:11,280
Speaker 1: want to do this? You want to do this, you

1645
01:22:11,320 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 1: want to do that, here's the recovery code, and you

1646
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: just say whatever, I'm never gonna need that.

1647
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 2: But when you see.

1648
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 1: Something that says do you want to you know, especially

1649
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: when you set up like two factor authentication or a password.

1650
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:24,200
Speaker 1: You know, password resets are pretty easy to do, but

1651
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 1: some of these accounts have a little bit stronger protection,

1652
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 1: especially when you set up that two factor authentication, and

1653
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,559
Speaker 1: the only way to get access to that account if

1654
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 1: you forget your two factor, or you lose that device,

1655
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: or you somehow lose access to that code is something.

1656
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: Called a recovery code.

1657
01:22:40,360 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: So if you ever get if you ever presented a

1658
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,799
Speaker 1: recovery code, sometimes it'll even give you like a PDF

1659
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:47,960
Speaker 1: print out. It's like, print this out, keep it in

1660
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: a safe place. That is the only way you'll be

1661
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: able to get back into your accounts. Eighty eight rich

1662
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: one oh one eight eight eight seven four to two

1663
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,240
Speaker 1: four one zero one. Coming up, I'll tell you about

1664
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: this social media investment scam. I'll tell you how Google

1665
01:23:01,160 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: Chrome is stepping up security. And we're going to talk

1666
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: about Wi Fi seven. You're probably going to be hearing

1667
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 1: more about it. We've got great guests to explain what

1668
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,519
Speaker 1: we need to know about Wi Fi seven. You are

1669
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 1: listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech.

1670
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: I just wanted to comment real quick on the last

1671
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 1: caller in, uh, Michigan or Wisconsin rather, or wasn't Michigan.

1672
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:32,200
Speaker 2: I don't know. They were both nice.

1673
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: But you know when people say that they like this show,

1674
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,880
Speaker 1: the funny thing is this show there's nothing to it.

1675
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: It's me doing the tech show that I want to

1676
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: listen to. I just want to listen to the tech

1677
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,400
Speaker 1: news of the week, the interesting stuff to know what

1678
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:48,960
Speaker 1: I missed. I want to hear, you know, the common

1679
01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: issues people are having so I can avoid them, or

1680
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: when I run into that, I can understand it. And

1681
01:23:55,920 --> 01:23:58,360
Speaker 1: I just you know, it's just smart and interesting and

1682
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: that's it. And then have guests that like I learned

1683
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: from that's it. There's no magic formulation to this show,

1684
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: and so I'm glad that you know, people are taking

1685
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: a liking to it. But it's very very easy. It's

1686
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: just the show I want to listen to. And believe me,

1687
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's it's pretty simple. Let's go to

1688
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:16,640
Speaker 1: Gary in Irvine.

1689
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: Gary. You're on with Rich.

1690
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:20,280
Speaker 7: Hi, Rich, how are you doing?

1691
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,360
Speaker 2: I am doing fantastic. What can I help you?

1692
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 7: As I have a Windows ten machine and there's about

1693
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 7: eighteen three hundred emails on there, and there's about six

1694
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:37,519
Speaker 7: people that have sent me some like legal documents and

1695
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 7: that I need to move out of there and put

1696
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 7: them into a folder or a file or something and

1697
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,040
Speaker 7: then erase the rest of them. And I was wondering

1698
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 7: how I would go about doing that without trying to

1699
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,000
Speaker 7: lose any of the documents on the way. I know

1700
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 7: it's pretty simple and I'm not too savvy at this,

1701
01:24:54,120 --> 01:24:57,679
Speaker 7: but if you could give me some direction, that'd be great.

1702
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: Are you using Outlook? How what's the email program? Is

1703
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:02,960
Speaker 1: it like a proprietary program?

1704
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,920
Speaker 7: The email is through Cox Cable?

1705
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 1: Okay, so is it a web mail program then yeah, okay,

1706
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 1: So what I would do is I would get this.

1707
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 2: So I don't know if Cox has.

1708
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:20,640
Speaker 1: The ability to sort by attachments, Like you basically need

1709
01:25:20,680 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 1: to do a search by anything that has an attachment.

1710
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: So for instance, on Gmail, if you go into the

1711
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: search bar, you click has attachment, then it will start

1712
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,840
Speaker 1: to show you all the emails that has have an attachment.

1713
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 1: Now are these emails from a specific person?

1714
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 7: They're from like six different people, and they're basically all

1715
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 7: lawyers and some title company people that I need to okay,

1716
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:48,479
Speaker 7: keep those.

1717
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is not very tough to do.

1718
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: It's just it could be a little time consuming, but

1719
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty simple. So I would first off, go

1720
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,679
Speaker 1: to the website, go to the webmail site and find,

1721
01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 1: you know, get the six people's email addresses, put them

1722
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 1: in a little notepad document, and then what you want

1723
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,439
Speaker 1: to do is you want to paste their email into

1724
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,360
Speaker 1: the search bar. And so once you paste it in there,

1725
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: that should give you a list of all the emails

1726
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 1: that they've sent you. Now it could be hundreds, could

1727
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 1: be thousands, whatever. But then you want to narrow down

1728
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 1: by a search filter, and you want to filter by

1729
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,920
Speaker 1: has attachment, and if they allow you to just narrow

1730
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 1: down even more by just PDF or something like that,

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01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,439
Speaker 1: you can go that route. And then once you do that,

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01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: you should if you say there's six documents or eight

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01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: documents that you need, you could just go ahead and

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01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 1: manually download those.

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01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 2: So that's one way.

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01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 1: That's the easiest way, that's going to be kind of

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01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 1: like the most straightforward using the tools you already have.

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01:26:40,439 --> 01:26:46,719
Speaker 1: Now you can also use external tools. So for instance,

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01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 1: you can get like a program that downloads all of

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01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: these email attachments. And so there are some programs that

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01:26:56,000 --> 01:27:00,559
Speaker 1: will download all of these email attachments for you, and

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01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: you may have to pay for them, but you know,

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01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 1: I would look for something like a mail attachment downloader. Okay,

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01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: So that's one option, and so you go in there,

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01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,599
Speaker 1: you put your email in there, and it will help

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01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 1: you download all of the attachments from that email account.

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01:27:16,360 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 2: Okay.

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01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 1: Now, the one I'm looking at here is a free

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01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: for personal use. It's completely free. So this is I'll

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01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: put this in the list show notes. But it's called

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01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:31,639
Speaker 1: gear Mage Mail Attachment Downloader Free Edition, and you basically

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01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 1: put in your email address and it will go in

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01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 1: and it'll find all the attachments and it will download them.

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01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 1: And it looks like there are filters as well, so

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01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: you can put in the filters for the email addresses

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01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 1: that you want to get those attachments from. And then

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01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:50,679
Speaker 1: there's also Email Attachment Extractor software and so that's similar

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01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 1: to what I just mentioned, but that's separate software. Or

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01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:54,920
Speaker 1: it may be a plugin, but I don't think the

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01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 1: plugins will work for you. So I think it's going

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01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 1: to be either a manual job or you're going to

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01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,160
Speaker 1: get one of these programs to help you do it.

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01:28:01,479 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 1: I personally would look at this Mail Attachment Downloader program.

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01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: This looks like it works pretty well. The only main

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01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 1: thing you have to be concerned about is privacy because

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01:28:11,160 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 1: you do have to hand over your your credentials to

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01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: this email account to this downloader, so just you know,

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01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 1: make sure that it's legit. But i'll put that in

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01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:22,960
Speaker 1: the show notes. I think it's possible to do. I

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01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:24,800
Speaker 1: think it's it's you know, it's a little bit of

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01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 1: a Saturday project. But I think these programs will make

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01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:28,439
Speaker 1: it pretty easy.

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01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:29,240
Speaker 2: Does that help?

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01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,519
Speaker 7: And then and then also yes it did help. Also

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01:28:33,640 --> 01:28:39,679
Speaker 7: their cuts is changing over their email service. I guess

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01:28:39,680 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 7: to Yahoo. Okay, yeah, hopefully that I was going to

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01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:46,559
Speaker 7: get this done before they did it, because I know

1778
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:48,519
Speaker 7: something's going to happen and lose everything.

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01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would switch it. I would if

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01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:52,760
Speaker 2: you can.

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01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 1: I always recommend that you use like a third party service,

1782
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,800
Speaker 1: so if you can, since you're going to be switching this,

1783
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 1: you might want to just download all these email and

1784
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:03,479
Speaker 1: then switch to something like a Gmail or an Outlook

1785
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:05,960
Speaker 1: or something like that, because or you can do you know,

1786
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: you can go on a website and pay you know,

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01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 1: twenty bucks and get your own email address. But you know,

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01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 1: I might just go with Gmail because it's a lot easier,

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01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,000
Speaker 1: and you could you can have Gmail go in and

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01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: fetch all these emails from there as well, So it

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01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 1: might be it might just be easier to get to

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01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:22,880
Speaker 1: get rid of this because the problem with having the

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01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,200
Speaker 1: Cox email is that you know what happens when you

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01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:26,680
Speaker 1: get rid of this, like how long do they give

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01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,639
Speaker 1: you to continue using that email after you're done paying

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01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 1: with their service, But it sounds like you've got quite

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01:29:33,240 --> 01:29:37,320
Speaker 1: the job ahead. I think focus on the email attachments first,

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01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,599
Speaker 1: and then you know, when they do make that switch over,

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01:29:41,080 --> 01:29:43,000
Speaker 1: there may be an opportunity where they say, hey, here's

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01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: how you can download all your emails from this service,

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01:29:45,320 --> 01:29:48,000
Speaker 1: and maybe just download them and be done and switch

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01:29:48,040 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: to something like Gmail. Great question, Gary, I'll link up

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01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 1: the tools that I mentioned on the website. Rich on

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01:29:53,720 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: tech dot TV. This is show sixty three, so just

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01:29:57,080 --> 01:30:00,559
Speaker 1: look for the notes for show sixty three. All right,

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01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:03,280
Speaker 1: real quick before we go to break here. Google Chrome

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01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:07,799
Speaker 1: has a new they're stepping up their real time privacy protection.

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01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,520
Speaker 2: So when you click a URL on Google Chrome.

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01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 1: Instead of checking the site every half an hour, they're

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01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:16,000
Speaker 1: now checking it in real time. So they say this

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01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: is going to block twenty five percent more phishing attempts.

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01:30:19,160 --> 01:30:21,280
Speaker 2: Basically, if you're using Google Chrome, that's a good thing.

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01:30:21,560 --> 01:30:23,880
Speaker 1: All right, Coming up, we're gonna talk why FI seven.

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01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,000
Speaker 1: What you need to know you're listening to Rich on Tech.

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01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,719
Speaker 1: Welcome back to rich on Tech. Rich Demiro here hanging

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01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:39,360
Speaker 1: out with you, talking technology website richon tech dot tv.

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01:30:39,479 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: You can find me on social media. You guessed it,

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01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 1: Rich on tech. Dwight Silverman is a freelance tech columnist

1819
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 1: for the Houston Chronicle and UH recently he wrote about

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01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:57,280
Speaker 1: why five seven this is the newest, latest, greatest flavor

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01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: of Wi Fi and you're probably gonna be hearing a

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01:30:59,680 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 1: lot of it in the upcoming weeks and months, So

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01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 1: I thought it'd be a good idea to kind of

1824
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,600
Speaker 1: give you a little bit of information about it. So

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01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,679
Speaker 1: let's bring Dwight on and talk about WiFi seven. Dwight,

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01:31:08,720 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: welcome to the show.

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01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 16: Thanks for having me.

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01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 1: Rich So your second time on the show, so welcome back.

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01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:18,960
Speaker 1: And how are things going there in Houston? So you

1830
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 1: were full time for many many years, you did a

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01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:23,479
Speaker 1: column you wrote, you had this like I'm sure very

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01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: strict deadline for your column and now your freelance which

1833
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 1: is probably a little bit nicer.

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01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 2: So how are things going.

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01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:34,599
Speaker 16: Things are going great. I'm still doing that same column.

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01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,800
Speaker 16: I left for about twenty minutes to work for Forbes

1837
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 16: and decided not I didn't want to do that, so

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01:31:41,880 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 16: I retired and I'm doing this weekly still. My editors

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01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 16: would still tell you that I have a pretty strong deadline,

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01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:56,160
Speaker 16: and this particular piece on Wi Fi seven actually ran

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01:31:56,400 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 16: in Jared Newman's Advisorator newsletter. Oh okay, okay, I had

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01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 16: done I had done a version of it for the Chronicle,

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01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 16: but this one is much more detailed. It's a paid newsletter,

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01:32:07,960 --> 01:32:11,320
Speaker 16: but I pay for it. To me, it's worth it,

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01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:13,960
Speaker 16: and it's the kind of newsletter I would do if

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01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:15,360
Speaker 16: I was doing one myself.

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01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jared does a great job. He's been on the show.

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01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 1: I think he's actually been on the show the most

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01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,640
Speaker 1: out of anyone. So let's talk about Wi Fi. So

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01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: what is WiFi seven?

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01:32:23,600 --> 01:32:27,400
Speaker 16: First off, so, Wi Fi seven is the next generation

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01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:32,599
Speaker 16: of the Wi Fi protocol. It's what most people who

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01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 16: have Internet in their homes allows it to come to

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01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 16: their devices wirelessly. It has been for the past several years.

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01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 16: It's getting it has gotten much more robust, much faster.

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01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:51,120
Speaker 16: In the In the newsletter piece I wrote, I start

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01:32:51,160 --> 01:32:55,360
Speaker 16: out talking about Wi Fi five, and then six and

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01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 16: then six e. And the important thing about Wi Fi

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01:33:00,080 --> 01:33:05,280
Speaker 16: six to six E is that Wi Fi six boosted

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01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:09,679
Speaker 16: speeds and made things much more reliable. Wi Fi six

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01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 16: E tacked onto, kind of bolted onto Wi Fi six

1862
01:33:14,520 --> 01:33:21,200
Speaker 16: a whole new frequency, these six gigahertz frequency, and this

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01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 16: allows for much faster speeds, much faster, much faster connections.

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01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 16: But the one problem with it is is that both

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01:33:33,240 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 16: the five gigaherts and the six gigahertz bands don't have

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01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:41,839
Speaker 16: much range. So modern Wi Fi today has still keeps

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01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 16: that old two point four gigahertz frequency around. It travels far,

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01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 16: but doesn't isn't as fast. Wi Fi seven takes everything

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01:33:52,160 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 16: that's in six and six E and then makes it

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01:33:56,280 --> 01:34:02,440
Speaker 16: just that much better. It has two particular feeatures that

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01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:06,360
Speaker 16: make it much more reliable, that make it better when

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01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 16: you have a lot of devices in your home, and

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01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,920
Speaker 16: makes it easier for you to roam from one part

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01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:15,400
Speaker 16: of your house or your business to another.

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01:34:16,280 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: So you do think there will be a noticeable difference,

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01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:20,280
Speaker 1: because you know, I feel like we hear how Wi

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01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: Fi just keeps getting better, and then people still have

1878
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: dead zones and you know dropouts.

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01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 16: Well, and it's you know, for those people who have

1880
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:33,800
Speaker 16: dead zones and dropouts probably have not investigated some of

1881
01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:39,040
Speaker 16: the latest technologies. So, for example, mesh network routers such

1882
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 16: as Amazon's Eero or TPE links Deco set up pretty

1883
01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:48,559
Speaker 16: much eliminate dead spots when you set them up properly.

1884
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 16: In the case of in the case of Wi Fi seven, yes,

1885
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 16: there are still these multiple router mesh network systems. But

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01:34:58,439 --> 01:35:00,800
Speaker 16: what's interesting about Wi Fi said it is, because of

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01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:05,200
Speaker 16: its new features, standalone routers will actually work pretty good

1888
01:35:05,280 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 16: and you may not even need these more expensive mesh networks.

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01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:10,200
Speaker 2: So that's good to hear.

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01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: So even if you just like if you have a

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01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 1: smaller house like let's say like a thousand square feet

1892
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 1: or something like that, you may not need to get

1893
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 1: the mesh network to get two of those access points,

1894
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:21,479
Speaker 1: which is kind of nice.

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01:35:21,479 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 2: That'll save some money.

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01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, so Wi Fi seven, So when you are

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01:35:26,400 --> 01:35:30,639
Speaker 1: doing your kind of investigation of this, what did you notice?

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01:35:30,680 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 1: Did you notice that this was better? Like, did you

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01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: notice you get faster speeds and things, And do people

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01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 1: need to rush out to upgrade to this or is

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01:35:36,520 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 1: it something to kind of be aware of.

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01:35:39,320 --> 01:35:41,600
Speaker 16: At this point, I would say, you don't have to

1903
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:45,639
Speaker 16: rush out to get Wi Fi seven right now unless

1904
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:49,160
Speaker 16: you're in a particular unless you have a particular scenario,

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01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,280
Speaker 16: most people could get along just fine with Wi Fi

1906
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 16: six at the moment. Wi Fi six E is great

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01:35:58,600 --> 01:36:02,000
Speaker 16: if you have a lot of devices in your house

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01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 16: and they support Wi Fi six y. This is always

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01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:10,960
Speaker 16: critical and and you have the need for a lot

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01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,479
Speaker 16: of speed, you know, for gamers and for people who

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01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,040
Speaker 16: do you know, multiple video streams at the same time.

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01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 16: That's where Wi Fi sixy and with the six gigahertz

1913
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 16: band comes in. With Wi Fi seven, what happens is

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01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:31,400
Speaker 16: it has this key feature called multi link operation or

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01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 16: m l O if I can throw an acronym out there,

1916
01:36:35,720 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 16: and what this does. You know, as I mentioned earlier,

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01:36:38,880 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 16: you have these three bands two point four, five and

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01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 16: six gigaherts and they typically have acted separately. Your device

1919
01:36:47,080 --> 01:36:51,040
Speaker 16: connects to one of them. With Wi Fi seven, it

1920
01:36:51,080 --> 01:36:55,680
Speaker 16: can connect to multiple bands at once. Yes, And so

1921
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 16: what happens is if you are let's say that you

1922
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 16: are you're in a particular spot and you've got a

1923
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 16: really good signal, and you have a Wi Fi compatible

1924
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 16: device like a laptop, computer or a smartphone, and you're

1925
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:13,800
Speaker 16: doing something really bandwidth intensive. You may be using more

1926
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:14,559
Speaker 16: than one.

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01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 2: More than one frequency, so it's almost like bonds those

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01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:19,600
Speaker 2: together almost.

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01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:22,479
Speaker 16: Yes, and so but what also happens is if you

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01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,759
Speaker 16: get up and you move and you move into another room,

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01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 16: it easily decides well, I think five would be better

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01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,000
Speaker 16: here than six, and so it'll switch you over at

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01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 16: six and is much more intelligent about doing that. So

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01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:42,400
Speaker 16: it's a It makes the router a lot smarter. Another

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01:37:42,479 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 16: thing that helps with it is that it has the

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01:37:48,439 --> 01:37:51,559
Speaker 16: channels that your phone talks on in each of these

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01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 16: In each of these frequencies, a channel is like a

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01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 16: little section of the frequency that you get to use

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01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 16: with your device. The channel is twice as big with

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01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,120
Speaker 16: Wi Fi seven. So you know, like in Jaws where

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01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:07,640
Speaker 16: they said we're going to need a bigger boat for

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01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 16: Wi Fi, this is the bigger boat.

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01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:10,160
Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So it sounds like it's it's promising. But here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I feel like people are just hearing about Wi Fi

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Speaker 1: six E and now we have Wi Fi seven. So

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Speaker 1: do we, like, I mean, do we just skip Wi

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Speaker 1: Fi sixy or you know what? What supports Wi Fi seven?

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Speaker 1: Is there any device that even supports this, like a

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Speaker 1: laptop or you know phone?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 16: Yes, The most recent Samsung Galaxy phones support it wo

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Speaker 16: as well as the S twenty three support it. They'll

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Speaker 16: support it with an update. The one plus twelve that

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Speaker 16: just came out it supports Wi Fi seven. There are

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Speaker 16: a handful of laptops, mostly gamer laptops that support it.

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Speaker 16: Right now, the iPhone does not. The iPhone fifteen Pro

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Speaker 16: and Promax support six E, and probably with the iPhone

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Speaker 16: sixty and they'll all support six E. It's not clear,

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Speaker 16: of course, with Apple in the future, it's always murky

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Speaker 16: what they'll do, but it is it's possible that you

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Speaker 16: may see Wi Fi seven in the pros, but I

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Speaker 16: suspect what will happen is that all of them will

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Speaker 16: get six E. The thing to keep in mind about

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Speaker 16: Wi Fi seven is that, just as is always the

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Speaker 16: case with a brand new Wi Fi protocol, the routers

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Speaker 16: are really expensive. They first started appearing last year after cees,

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Speaker 16: and the early ones you know, approached one thousand dollars

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Speaker 16: or more. Now they are much more reasonable. I mean,

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Speaker 16: you can find some that run around the three hundred

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Speaker 16: dollars range. But that means, of course Wi Fi six

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Speaker 16: is now less expensive. Wi Fi six E routers are

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Speaker 16: coming down. Personally, I knew that that seven was coming.

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Speaker 16: I wanted to get a mesh network system for my home,

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Speaker 16: and I chose Amazon's Eero six E pro routers and

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Speaker 16: have two of those, and they're great and I probably

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Speaker 16: will be completely happy with those you know, for years

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Speaker 16: to come, and so you know, it fit the price

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Speaker 16: point for me. It's fast enough, it covers my house well,

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Speaker 16: so I don't need Wi Fi seven yet and probably won't.

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Speaker 16: But the good news is is that if you are

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Speaker 16: the type of person who prefers to rent your router

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Speaker 16: and modem or a combination known as a gateway from

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Speaker 16: your internet provider, there's a good chance within the next

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Speaker 16: year or so, Wi Fi seven will come to you

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Speaker 16: from their equipment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Dwight, We're gonna leave it there. Dwight Silverman,

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Speaker 1: tech columnists at the Houston Chronicle. What's the best way

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Speaker 1: for folks to follow you these days?

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Speaker 16: Best place is probably on threads and that's thread dot

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Speaker 16: threads dot net slash at d Silverman. If you just

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Speaker 16: search for d Silverman on any social network, I'm there,

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Speaker 16: except for X.

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Speaker 1: All right, excellent, Thanks so much for joining me today.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate it, so thank you for having me. If you

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Speaker 1: see Wi Fi seven, you know, it depends what you need,

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Speaker 1: but it's something to know about for the future. All right,

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Speaker 1: coming up, we're going to do the feedback segment and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you about this social media investment scam,

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Speaker 1: plus some other things I still need to get to

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Speaker 1: before the show ends, so we'll come right back. You're

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Speaker 1: listening to rich on Tech. Welcome back to rich on Tech.

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Speaker 1: Rich Demiro here hanging out with you talking technology.

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Speaker 2: Richon Tech.

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Speaker 1: Dot tv is the website you can find me online

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Speaker 1: at rich on Tech. So there's this new social media

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Speaker 1: investment scam. I don't think you're going to fall for it,

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Speaker 1: but I want to tell you about it just so

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Speaker 1: you're aware. So this pops up as it looks like

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Speaker 1: ads on Facebook and other social media networks shows billionaire investors,

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Speaker 1: investors like Bill Ackman, Kathy Woods, Steve Cohen, and the

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Speaker 1: ads lure you into a WhatsApp group where you're encouraged

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Speaker 1: to invest in penny stocks. Now I get it. People

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Speaker 1: want to make money, people want to invest in things,

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Speaker 1: but don't do this and don't fall for this. Of course,

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Speaker 1: these are pump and dump schemes. Now, these real investors

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Speaker 1: have told Facebook about this, they report the scam ads.

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Speaker 1: Facebook takes them down, and what do you think happens?

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Speaker 1: New ones pop up immediately victims. This is why I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you this because I can't. You would think that

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Speaker 1: nobody would fall for this, but they do. Victims have

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Speaker 1: lost and estimated three point two million dollars, twenty nine

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Speaker 1: victims three point two million dollars. And the reason why

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Speaker 1: they're falling for it is I guess they use deep

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Speaker 1: fake videos and personal touches. And so that's why I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you this, because these scams are going to get

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Speaker 1: tougher to understand because of AI.

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Speaker 2: So be aware of this stuff.

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Speaker 1: And again, it's something that gets you money really fast.

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Speaker 1: It's probably too good to be true. The Apple Sports

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Speaker 1: app got its first update.

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Speaker 2: Remember this app.

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Speaker 1: This is Apple's very simple sports app. You pop in

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Speaker 1: the teams that you like, and it tells you when

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Speaker 1: they're playing, gives you scores, and a lot of people

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Speaker 1: when it first came out last month were like, rich,

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Speaker 1: where's basketball, Where's baseball?

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Speaker 2: Where's NFL?

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Speaker 1: And Apple said, look, we're going to add these sports

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Speaker 1: as the season starts. So Baseball is now on there,

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Speaker 1: March Madness is on there. And so if you haven't

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Speaker 1: downloaded this Apple Sports app, it's just called Apple Sports.

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Speaker 1: It's very simple, it's free if you have an iPhone.

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Speaker 1: It's a nice way of kind of keeping track of

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Speaker 1: your favorite teams, and it tells you when they're playing

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Speaker 1: in the upcoming games and the past games, and there

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Speaker 1: is betting information on it. You can't bet through the app,

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Speaker 1: but you can see what the odds are. You can

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Speaker 1: turn it off in the settings if you disagree with that.

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Speaker 1: Google Io is happening. They announced the date for their

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Speaker 1: IO twenty twenty four. This is their big developers conference.

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Speaker 1: It's happening May fourteenth through fifteenth, and this usually happens

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Speaker 1: at the Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View, California, which is

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Speaker 1: where it's happening this year. I've been, I think, to

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Speaker 1: almost all of these in past years, except for the

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Speaker 1: years they didn't happen with the pandemic. It's always a

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Speaker 1: great time. They do a good job. I think that

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Speaker 1: Google is in a very precarious place, which is a

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Speaker 1: funny thing to say for a company of its size.

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Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the AI stuff, it didn't take

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Speaker 1: them by surprise, but I think it might. It might

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Speaker 1: have surprised them with just how fast these AI tools

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Speaker 1: from other companies have taken off. Now, Google has their

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Speaker 1: own flavor of AI called Gemini, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: probably the least known AI out of any of these.

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Speaker 1: If you ask someone, hey, what's an AI tool, they're

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Speaker 1: probably going to say chat GBT. Now that's a company

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Speaker 1: that came out of nowhere, and this is a huge company. Now,

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Speaker 1: So what do we expect from Google Io? Android fifteen updates?

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Speaker 1: New Pixel devices Pixel eight a that is their budget

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Speaker 1: pixel device, Maybe a new foldable phone, the Pixel Fold two,

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Speaker 1: and maybe a new tablet. They announced all those three

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Speaker 1: things last year at the event, and we saw new

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Speaker 1: ones last year, so we'll probably see new ones this

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Speaker 1: year as well. And I thought this was interesting, this

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Speaker 1: new Pew research study about how teens and parents view

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Speaker 1: screen time. So the main takeaway seventy two percent of

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Speaker 1: teens feel peaceful without their phones, but forty four percent

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Speaker 1: feel anxious when they don't have their phones nearby. And

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's just teens, that's probably adults too.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever gotten that like ghost vibration where you

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Speaker 1: think your phone is giving you a notification and you

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01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:56,160
Speaker 1: kind of feel your pants, pocket or whatever. You look

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Speaker 1: at your phone, there's nothing there. It's like we're all like, oh,

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Speaker 1: waiting for that next notification. Half of parents looked through

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Speaker 1: have looked through their teen's phone. About forty percent of

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Speaker 1: parents and teens regularly argue about phone time. I don't

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Speaker 1: even have a teen, and we're arguing about screen time.

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Speaker 2: This is the best part.

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Speaker 1: Forty six percent of teens say their parent is sometimes

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Speaker 1: distracted by their phone during conversations. Yes, this has happened

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Speaker 1: to all of us. You're at dinner, their watch gets

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01:46:24,600 --> 01:46:27,640
Speaker 1: a notification or their phone gets a notification, and that

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01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:29,800
Speaker 1: sly kind of look to the side while you're talking

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Speaker 1: to someone.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's annoying.

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Speaker 1: It's annoying for teens that are trying to talk to

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Speaker 1: their parents when they actually do take the time to

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Speaker 1: talk to them.

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Speaker 2: Thirty eight percent of.

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Speaker 1: Teens say they spend too much time on their phone,

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Speaker 1: and seventy percent of teens believe smartphones provide more benefits

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Speaker 1: than harms their age group. Forty two percent say it

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Speaker 1: makes it harder to learn good skills. Now, this is interesting.

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Speaker 1: My wife was telling me yesterday she works with teenagers

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Speaker 1: and the smartphone is the connector. And I know that

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01:46:59,760 --> 01:47:02,960
Speaker 1: sound strange, but when these teens that didn't know each

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Speaker 1: other got together, what do they want to do? They

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Speaker 1: want to swap socials and they want to say, hey.

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Speaker 2: What are you on?

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Speaker 1: You on Instagram, you on TikTok, you on Snapchat, And

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Speaker 1: that's how they keep up with each other. When I

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Speaker 1: meet someone out and about, like someone at a conference

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Speaker 1: or whatever, I will basically say, hey, what do you

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Speaker 1: on Instagram? And I'll follow them on Instagram because guess what,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to keep up with them, and I'm going

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Speaker 1: to remember that I met them because I keep seeing

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Speaker 1: their pictures pop up. This is the way things happen nowadays.

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Speaker 2: So I get it.

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Speaker 1: If you don't have a phone, you're kind of at

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Speaker 1: a disadvantage. And finally, Krig is introducing compostable k cups.

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Speaker 2: So you know, k cups get a lot of.

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Speaker 1: Grief because they're convenient, but you throw out a lot

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Speaker 1: of plastic and they're tough to recycle. So they have

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Speaker 1: developed a new compostable coffee pod called the k Round.

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Speaker 1: It's made from things that break down me throw them

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Speaker 1: in the ground. The problem is they're only compatible with

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Speaker 1: the new Kurrig Alta coffee maker.

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Speaker 2: I'm assuming Alta because of ground.

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Speaker 1: But the good news is this new coffee maker is

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Speaker 1: backwards compatible with traditional ca cups.

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Speaker 2: So these are coming out later this year. They're going

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Speaker 2: to test them.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a great thing because I always

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Speaker 1: feel a little bit guilty when I'm using that CA cup,

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Speaker 1: even though I love the CA cups. I mean, think

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Speaker 1: about the first time you discovered the CA cup. The

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Speaker 1: convenience of just popping this thing into a coffee maker

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Speaker 1: and making fresh coffee. And you know, I go back

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Speaker 1: and forth. On the weekends, I will brew a full,

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Speaker 1: full pot with coffee ground grounds, and then during the

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Speaker 1: week I will use the cake cups because they're convenient

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Speaker 1: and they're quick. So I think it works both ways.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not one of those people that peels off

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Speaker 1: the thing and recycles. I know people like plant plants

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01:48:42,240 --> 01:48:45,759
Speaker 1: and them and stuff. But now it'll get a lot easier.

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Speaker 1: All right, a little feedback here, Jeff says, I have

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Speaker 1: a couple of suggestions for the callers that said they're

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Speaker 1: going overseas and needed an international hotspot.

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Speaker 2: How about Google Fi.

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01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 1: You can work for free in one hundred countries free

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Speaker 1: for seven days.

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Speaker 2: Rich Such a great show, Jeff. All right, Jeff, I

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Speaker 2: like that. All right. That music means that's going to

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Speaker 2: do it for the end. Of the show.

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Speaker 1: If you can find links to everything I mentioned on

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Speaker 1: the website, go to richon tech dot tv. For the

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Speaker 1: show notes. Find me at rich on tech. Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for listening. Thanks to everyone who makes this show possible.

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Speaker 1: My name is rich Demiro. I'll talk to you real

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Speaker 1: soon