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Speaker 1: Say Maria Alavez, was last seen in a city park

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. You just heard ABC

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Speaker 1: So many things are glaring at me. First, let me

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Speaker 1: put it back together again. This is urgent, guys, and

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Speaker 1: Amber alert right now for a five year old little girl.

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Speaker 1: She's absolutely gorgeous, long black hair, big brown eyes. Ashley Wilcot,

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Speaker 1: FBI special agent Jeff Cortesi, Mark klass Our, longtime friend crusader,

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Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation, Crime online dot Com investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter David matt Tomorrow. Class I got a lot of

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Speaker 1: red flags here. Let's just start at the beginning. What

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Speaker 1: in a minivan took the girl. They don't know if

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Speaker 1: he's familiar with her or a complete stranger. Many questions remain.

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Speaker 1: Was the girl actually lord was she grabbed? Police can't

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Speaker 1: say at the moment, but here's what they do know.

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Speaker 1: They have a description that they want everyone to be

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Speaker 1: looking out for this suspect. They describe him as a

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Speaker 1: light skinned, possibly Hispanic man, standing five six to five eight,

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Speaker 1: with a thin billed, no facial hair, but they believe

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Speaker 1: he has acne or some sort of skin blemishes. Police

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Speaker 1: say he was last seen wearing orange sneakers, red pants,

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Speaker 1: and a black shirt with a red van, a minivan

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Speaker 1: with a sliding door and tinted windows. Crime Stories with

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this little girl just five years old, missing,

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Speaker 1: the search going on. You know, you brought up a

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Speaker 1: really good issue to Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special agent

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Speaker 1: Mark Class, what about this. I've been covering the Jennifer Dulos,

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Speaker 1: the Connecticut mom of five who's gone missing. And when

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Speaker 1: I looked at that affidavit supporting an arrest for tampering

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Speaker 1: with evidence, I was overwhelmed at all the surveillance video

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Speaker 1: they've obtained. They got him from school buses. When the

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Speaker 1: school bus doors open, they take pictures and they have

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Speaker 1: video going on school buses, all sorts of businesses, residential

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Speaker 1: homes in neighborhoods, traffic light toll booths, to piece together

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Speaker 1: a timeline following the suspects cars. I don't understand here,

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Speaker 1: As Cortesi pointed out, this is rush Homer. He napped

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Speaker 1: her around four to twenty in the afternoon, broad daylight.

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Speaker 1: Traffic's terrible. It's hard for me to believe that in

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Speaker 1: this very populated area of Bridgetown, New Jersey, we don't

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Speaker 1: have more surveillance video of that red van mark class.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Nancy, The surveillance video exists. There's no

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Speaker 1: question about that. It's a matter of people looking at

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Speaker 1: what they have and or law enforcement knocking on a

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Speaker 1: lot of doors until they're able to acquire the piece

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Speaker 1: of evidence that's going to turn this case on its nose,

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Speaker 1: because quite frankly, they have a huge lead here. Just

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Speaker 1: knowing that it was a red and that it was

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Speaker 1: a man of a certain description puts them far ahead

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Speaker 1: of a lot of other predatory abductions where you have

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Speaker 1: absolutely no information at all. So they just have to

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Speaker 1: be diligent. They have to put their boots to the ground,

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Speaker 1: and this case will be solved, hopefully sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: This is what we know. The mom said, everybody take

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Speaker 1: a listen. I saw my son crying because someone and

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Speaker 1: threw his ice cream on the floor. And after that

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Speaker 1: he started pointing behind those buildings, the mom tells reporters,

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Speaker 1: gesturing towards structures located near where her daughter was playing.

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Speaker 1: We thought she was hiding playing hide and seek. As

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Speaker 1: of right now, cops haven't been able to confirm the

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Speaker 1: ice cream incident. I don't know that that's entirely relevant.

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Speaker 1: The mom says. She looked for ten to fifteen minutes

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Speaker 1: before calling her brother to come help, and they ultimately

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Speaker 1: contact the police shortly before five pm. Now how many

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Speaker 1: minutes had passed? I originally got the time for twenty

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Speaker 1: This is five pm. Investigators searched a thousand acre park

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Speaker 1: neighborhoods nearby Onset late was drained. At the end of

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Speaker 1: that day, the search was called off. The search is

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Speaker 1: ongoing right now. When you hear all that, Mark Class,

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Speaker 1: what do you think, Well, what I think is that

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Speaker 1: they're going to find this guy, Nancy. I think that

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Speaker 1: although they were slow to respond immediately, they made some

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Speaker 1: bad moves. Immediately law enforcement has turned it. They're doing

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Speaker 1: exactly what they need to do. They're asking the public

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Speaker 1: for help, and they're going to find this child. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: she'll be fine, and hopefully it'll be sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 1: And what does that say to you? Ashley Wilcot, judge

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Speaker 1: trial lawyer. You can find her at Ashley Wilcot dot com.

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Speaker 1: Ashley said, this guy would take the girl in broad

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Speaker 1: daylight with people around. Yeah, so that's what Mark said earlier.

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Speaker 1: You know these kinds of perpetrators, they are bold, they

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Speaker 1: are brazen. This is not the first time that they've

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Speaker 1: tried or have actually taken a child. So, Nancy, they

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Speaker 1: don't care if it's broad daylight and everybody's watching, they

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Speaker 1: don't care because their mind wiring is I want that child.

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Speaker 1: That's why they're perpetrators. Mark class question to you, what

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Speaker 1: does this mean to you? That the child did not scream,

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Speaker 1: did not five, did not try to get away, That

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Speaker 1: the individual that took her is a practiced individual and

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Speaker 1: luring children and knows what he needs to do to

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Speaker 1: be able to keep a child silent and to be

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Speaker 1: able to get them under their control. And there are

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Speaker 1: so many different kinds of luwers. That's the thing, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: there are so many different kinds of luwers, and parents

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Speaker 1: need to be aware of this. And talk to their

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Speaker 1: kids about this. But the fact that she didn't yell

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Speaker 1: and scream, that means nothing. She's a five year old,

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, no, of course it means something. I mean,

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Speaker 1: five year olds are emotional, and they're easy to scream,

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Speaker 1: and they're easy to yield. But this is a guy

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Speaker 1: that knows how to control children and knows how to

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Speaker 1: do it in a way that has allowed him, probably

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Speaker 1: in the past and hopefully not in the future, to

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Speaker 1: be able to control the children to the point where

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Speaker 1: they have disappeared. Listen to our friend from CBS three

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Speaker 1: Eyewitness News to Alexandria Huff. Police do believe that this

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Speaker 1: five year old was taken from this park yesterday afternoon. Now,

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Speaker 1: police prior to this search cruise were out day and night,

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Speaker 1: including this evening, searching for this young girl, leaving that

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Speaker 1: she was possibly lost in the woods, hurt or injured

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Speaker 1: or something of that sort. And obviously now the dynamic

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Speaker 1: of this informa of this investigation has changed, so we

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Speaker 1: want you to pay close attention to the description of

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Speaker 1: the man who police s took this young girl. Police

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Speaker 1: say it was at four twenty Monday afternoon when a

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Speaker 1: man took five year old Dulce Maria Alavez while she

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Speaker 1: was playing at the Bridgeton City Park. That man has

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Speaker 1: been described to be light skinned, possibly Hispanic, standing five

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Speaker 1: six to five eight, with a thin build. He has

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Speaker 1: acne but no facial hair, and maybe wearing orange sneakers,

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Speaker 1: red pants, and a black shirt. Police say that that

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Speaker 1: man led Dulse from the park to a red van

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Speaker 1: with tinted windows and sliding side door. Dulce was seated

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Speaker 1: in the backseat and driven away. She has not been

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Speaker 1: seen since. I want to circle back to Dave Matt.

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Speaker 1: Dave Matt, what are law what is law enforcement doing

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Speaker 1: to try to find Dulcha everything that is at their

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Speaker 1: disposal Nancy. You know, as we mentioned on the after

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours, the FBI brought in specialists to actually

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Speaker 1: scour the park and to conduct the secondary interviews where

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Speaker 1: they were able to develop the lead, the information that

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Speaker 1: she was lured away and taken in that red man.

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Speaker 1: At this point, they've put up every possible thing that

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Speaker 1: they know to do to actually try to find Dulse.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about the amber alert that did go up,

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Speaker 1: but not immediately there. They've done the door knocking, and

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Speaker 1: they've again reinterviewed everybody that was not the part that

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Speaker 1: day and in the area surrounding that. They also have

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Speaker 1: contacted all the people that live in that area and

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Speaker 1: the business owners who have surveillance video. They're not telling

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Speaker 1: us what they've seen, but we do know they have

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Speaker 1: got all that available surveillance video to try to determine

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Speaker 1: the direction the driver of the red band took off

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Speaker 1: after he left the park. This is what we know

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Speaker 1: about child kidnap. We know that every forty seconds in

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Speaker 1: the US, a child goes missing. We also know that

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Speaker 1: many many of the kidnaps take place within a mile

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Speaker 1: of the home to Dave Mack, was this park, this

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Speaker 1: playground close to where the little girl was living. It

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Speaker 1: was near It was a park that they regularly go

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Speaker 1: to as well. The family very familiar with the park

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Speaker 1: and have often had family gatherings there. So yes, this

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Speaker 1: was close to their home and part of their regular lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm just wondering, Jeff cortezi, former FBI special agent,

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Speaker 1: if he had not been watching this particular child. It's

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Speaker 1: possible and those are some of the things that law

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Speaker 1: enforcement's going to look at. You know, was this somebody

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Speaker 1: who was tracking this particular child, or is this somebody

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Speaker 1: who's monitoring a location waiting for an opportunity, A child

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Speaker 1: whose parent wasn't maybe looking at the right time. Tipline

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Speaker 1: eight five six four five one zero zero three to

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Speaker 1: three repeat eight five six four five one zero zero

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Speaker 1: three three. There is a chance this five year old

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Speaker 1: little girl is still alive. Go to crime online dot

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Speaker 1: com and look at her picture. Please help us. Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace crime Story signing off, Get Bye, Friend,