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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Caitlin and Jamie and you are about

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Speaker 1: to hear our episode that we recorded live November early

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Speaker 1: November about The Fifth Element, a movie directed by Luke

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Speaker 1: Luke a popular request. We've been wanting to do this

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Speaker 1: movie forever. We were thrilled that Daniel Radford could be

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Speaker 1: basically the Harvey Weinstein of France. Yes, has been accused

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Speaker 1: to work a problem boo. So just a little context

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Speaker 1: up top. Sorry to start a downer, but Danielle is amazing.

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Speaker 1: The episode is a blast, so fun and we hope

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Speaker 1: you enjoy it. Yeah. On the delcast, the questions asked

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Speaker 1: if movies have women in them? Are all their discussions

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Speaker 1: just boyfriends and husbands? Did? Do they have individuals and

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Speaker 1: the patriarchy? That the best start changing it with the

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Speaker 1: beck Del cast. Welcome to the backcast, Like, Hi, thanks

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Speaker 1: for so. The movie we're covering today is the Fifth Element?

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Speaker 1: By round applause? Who has seen it? Great? Okay, and

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Speaker 1: there anyone who hasn't. I hadn't, so don't be shy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: my soul sibling. Yeah, we're talking about the Fifth Element today.

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Speaker 1: I am man, what a ride? What did you know?

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Speaker 1: The future is not female? The future is French, So

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Speaker 1: we've got a French as patriarchy to look forward to

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Speaker 1: according to this movie. Yeah. So we use the Bechtel

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Speaker 1: and what is the Bechtel test? Well? The Bechtel test

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Speaker 1: is a metric created originally by cartoonist Alison Bechtel that

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Speaker 1: with names for our purposes, who speak about something other

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Speaker 1: than a man to each other for more than two

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Speaker 1: lines of dialogue. You think it would be easy, you

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Speaker 1: would think, and yet this movie doesn't matter. Whoops, oh

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Speaker 1: blew it at the top of the show. So I

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Speaker 1: am so tired of people being like the show is, like,

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Speaker 1: does it pass the Bechtel tis like, obviously no, it doesn't.

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Speaker 1: Ever if you're listening for seventy minutes to be like,

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Speaker 1: I What I've tried to say is I'm sorry, I've

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Speaker 1: had half of Mike's Hard and I'm fucked up? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Is that it is a jumping off point for discussion.

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Speaker 1: It is not by any means. There are some movies

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Speaker 1: we've done that passed the Bechtel test by two female

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Speaker 1: identifying characters telling each other to kill themselves. So you know,

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Speaker 1: it is not a metric of being a feminist icon

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Speaker 1: by any means. No, no, no, no, no, And tonight

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Speaker 1: to join us in our discussion. We've got a wonderful guest.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're from screen junkies and tights and fights.

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Speaker 1: It's Danielle Radford, Hi, well I did it. Also, I

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Speaker 1: should have brought my purse, because like, I don't sit

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Speaker 1: let's redefine how sitting like a lady? Okay, I sound

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Speaker 1: like a person who doesn't care if you see her vagina. Right,

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Speaker 1: so we're talking about the fifth element. Danielle, what is

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Speaker 1: your history your relationship with the movie. So, this is

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies. Um So, I will prefaces

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Speaker 1: by saying I love things that are bad. I do

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Speaker 1: on his own. What's your favorite bad movie? Oh, gosh,

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Speaker 1: um the Last Dragon. Oh I've never seen that one.

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Speaker 1: um So. In the eighties, Barry Gordy decided that black

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Speaker 1: And it also started a Prince Protege and X Prince

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Speaker 1: kind of funny. I'm I'm Ashton Kutcher, actual culture. Y'all

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Speaker 1: Sorry to derail this conversation, but so the fifth element.

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Speaker 1: You think it's a good, bad movie. Yes, and it's

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Speaker 1: Oma loves movie, I know it's bad. So it's awesome, Jamie.

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Speaker 1: What's your history? Uh? Well, as I've been critiqued and

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Speaker 1: that's where she became a person. And it's great because

421
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: she still isn't quite one yet, so you can just

422
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 1: take her back there and just great transition into one

423
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: of the main talking points for this movie and part

424
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 1: of the reason that we had it like on our

425
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: radar of stuff we wanted to cover in the first place. Yes,

426
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: and that of course is the born sexy Yesterday trope.

427
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: If you're not familiar. This is a trope that was

428
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 1: the name was coined by Jonathan McIntosh on his one

429
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: of his pop culture detective video essays. But it basically

430
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: describes a trope that's like very common in sci fi especially,

431
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 1: and it's characterized by an adult woman being physically immature

432
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: and sexual, but she has the brain and naivete of

433
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 1: a baby. And part of the funny thing about this

434
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: trope is it is rooted in per that video, and

435
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 1: the read of most people is like, is it's very

436
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: much rooted in male insecurity. That is like they can't

437
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: hack it with women who have lived any manner of life,

438
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 1: and so they're like, what if it's a body I

439
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: want to funk, but someone who doesn't know anything and

440
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 1: has never met anyone, I would look great to someone

441
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: who doesn't know anyone. And what if my dick was

442
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: the first dick she saw exactly? Like what if I

443
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: had a like it? It is very sinister and like

444
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: deeply rooted and the way it is, but describing it

445
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: is very silly. There's like a lot of examples, and

446
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: some of them are given by McIntosh, but there are

447
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: examples of reverses of this trope. But the way it

448
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: is treated by the movie is very silly, Like the

449
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: like Big is a great example of like, uh baby

450
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: brain and a grown man's body. But the man in

451
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: that movie is not sexualized in a deep way. Most

452
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: of the stuff he's doing is played for laughs and

453
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: played for like, isn't this ridiculous? Blah blah blah, And

454
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 1: so it is. As much as you get the argument

455
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: that it's played for men and women in movies, the

456
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: way it's treated by the camera and by the plot

457
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: is always very different, and it's certainly I would say

458
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: more common for the born sex yesterday character to be

459
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: a woman in most cases. Yeah, I mean it's like

460
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: not like the men. They're like, we've got to see

461
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: his dick, Like there's but like in this, in this

462
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: first shot evanlue Lou, we see her completely new, a

463
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: very like gratuitous nude shot of her. And yeah, like

464
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: you were saying, it's problematic, got a number of levels.

465
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: One because this character usually ends up being the love

466
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: interest of the male hero because it's like the first

467
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: man she ever meet. She was like, well, I don't

468
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: know anyone else, so you're the one. That's why we

469
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: all have And it Yeah, it's like this unequal power dynamic.

470
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's like based on male and securities

471
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: and like the fear of being inadequate both intellectually and sexually.

472
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: And also I think you know, it's where well actually

473
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 1: comes from. It's like a way to manifest man splaining totally.

474
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: I get to explain everything to her, Yeah, and then

475
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: she gonna fuck right because he usually and these stories

476
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: ends up like teaching her everything about the world and

477
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: including sex. So yeah, it basically allows them to fulfill

478
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 1: this fantasy where it's like I'm the awesomest guy you've

479
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: ever seen, and here's everything I know. Yeah, it's like

480
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: this creepy flattening of sexy professor. Yes, yes, we're like

481
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: tricky because it's like we're not even saying that characters

482
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,240
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to learn from each other regardless of gender,

483
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: but it's so unequal that it's like, oh, this person

484
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to eat, like she didn't don't date them,

485
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 1: You don't know what a spoon is, you know, or

486
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: like you don't know how flatwear works, or like Lulu

487
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: doesn't know how showers work, and that is something that

488
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: he's like, oh my God, your nipples, Like you're just like, no,

489
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: that's not what is the focus? That doesn't make sense.

490
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: It's a very frustrating trope. And it's it is so

491
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: extremely common. I mean it comes up in movies even now,

492
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: like it was coming up in Tron and then what

493
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: then is the movie where Oscar isaacs a hot scientist.

494
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: Oh x mocks another one. I mean, if you can,

495
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: it can be argued. It comes up in Wonder Woman

496
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: quite a bit. We talked about what he does, and

497
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating because another thing about that trope, to

498
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: sort of neutralize it a little bit, is that very

499
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: often the woman has like a skill or two that

500
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: is impressive to the man, which is usually that she

501
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: can sort of fight, she can't be creepy, she kicks high.

502
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: You're like, well, a baby can't do that, so I

503
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: can have sex with her, Like you're just like the

504
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 1: last time you saw a baby shoot a gun? Oh,

505
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: I think it's like fair that we are married. Like, no,

506
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: it is a very it's a very complex trope, like

507
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: like the guys are trying to get you in every

508
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: corner of like, well, babies don't shoe guns, And I

509
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: could suck a baby if it was Oh, lady, she

510
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: needs help bathing, but like she could beat me up,

511
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: so it's fine. She remember that scene yet we're dating. Well,

512
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: that leads me to another thing I wanted to talk about,

513
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: where so her whole thing is that she's the supreme being.

514
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: She's the fifth element, like the thing that's needed to

515
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: like save the world from this like catastrophic event, and

516
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: she has the ability to like absorb all the information

517
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: in the world in a matter of second. She learns

518
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: very very quickly, which is which sounds cool but ultimately

519
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: doesn't serve the plot very much. But it serves the

520
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: fucking Bruce Willis parts of the plot well. But you

521
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: would think if she knew the history of the world,

522
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: she would know not to trust Bruce Willis, Like, yeah,

523
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,239
Speaker 1: conveniently misses out on patriarchy, while through all of the

524
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: wars she finds out about patriarchy, and literally the last

525
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: second she's like, oh no, what is this? But then

526
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: she's she learns about war and patriarchy in the third act,

527
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: and then you see her like she's like and she's

528
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: crying and she's gonna wait. She's literally been kicking people

529
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: in the face because they were trying to get to

530
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 1: another woman. Yeah, she's she's been engaging in war and

531
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: she's like, what's war? Like, Oh no, it's bad. And

532
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: then she learns about war and patriarchy. But her solution

533
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: to that is Bruce willis fuck me, Like, that's not

534
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: the solution to that, kissed me on the stone. Oh

535
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: now you're all thinking of her with his head. But

536
00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: she has this like uncanny ability to like learned everything

537
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: and be the smartest person ever really, but the only

538
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 1: thing that he appreciates her for is how she looks.

539
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: And this is a common thing that happens by a

540
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: number of characters were out there, Like they talk about

541
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: her as if she's an object. They call her a possession,

542
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: they call her like they keep talking about how perfect

543
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: she is. She's spoken about as if she's an item

544
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: for the whole movie and even and even when she

545
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: does learn, it's that thing of like, well, she learns,

546
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: but she doesn't have emotional intelligence. So she has book

547
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: learning and she gets things, but she doesn't like she

548
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: still isn't capable. She's a computer. Basically, she's a computer

549
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: that corporate DALYs is like, oh yeah, like five nine

550
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,160
Speaker 1: and that. You know, the further we get from weird science,

551
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: the more that I'm like that chick was right punch

552
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: those nerds in the face or however that right kill

553
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: them boy? That movie O God, Yeah, the Bruce will

554
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: Is tank top I would like to just bring up

555
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: again good Yeah. I just think it's dumb that she

556
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: has ability to learn like an infinite amount of knowledge,

557
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: but he was only impressed by how attractive she is. Well,

558
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: the thing that they're trying to do. I mean, this

559
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: movie is all over the place, and I think part

560
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: of the reason it is as I did some research

561
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: on the origin of where this movie came from, and

562
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: it's partially built from a treatment or a short story

563
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 1: that director wrote when he was a teenager. And so

564
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: if you saw this movie and you're like, seems like

565
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: a horny French boys fantasy, you're exactly right, Like what

566
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: if a horny French boy had millions of dollars? This

567
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: movie answers that question. And best um has always been like,

568
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: you know, he was a big and and you got

569
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: to see a lot of what he based that on

570
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: in Valerian, which no one watched who just really weirdly

571
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: saw that. Sorry, Yeah, did you like it? No, Yeah,

572
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: because it's another one where it's like this time, instead

573
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: of plucking a woman out of time and making her

574
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: the perfect woman, they pluck a woman out of time

575
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 1: and she's still in this series, which is based on

576
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: this old French like newspaper Cereal. It's like their version

577
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: of Valiant or whatever, which is another thing that none

578
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: of us here watched or read in the cartoon section.

579
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 1: It was the one that you skipped and um or

580
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: you put dicks on and like me and so in

581
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: that series, the dude from the future, like they're also

582
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: time travelers, he goes back and he grabs this peasant

583
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: woman from I want to say the seventeen or eighteenth century. Um.

584
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,959
Speaker 1: And so again it's that thing of like, oh, you're

585
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: so pretty and so you know you're of these values,

586
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 1: but I still have to teach you about this modern world, right,

587
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: And that's where like so much of what the Fifth

588
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: Element became was based on this. And I think you

589
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: had a great point about Wonder Woman too, of like

590
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: I'm thinking men to our Wonder Woman episode where that

591
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: was something we didn't pick up on at the time

592
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: of like even a year of like, yeah, the male lead,

593
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 1: and that would be one of the christ Is. I

594
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: don't fucking know which time had to He's the one

595
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: who just showed off as Pinus in that movie on Netflix.

596
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 1: Is that the one? I honestly, I have Chris blindness.

597
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: I can't tell any of them apart. I don't know.

598
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: There's too many, but there there it's a frustrating trope

599
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: and and it so it was like built from his

600
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: like something he wanted to do since he was a teenager.

601
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: It seems like very little edits were made from his

602
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: little horny story. So that's just a fact. Another thing

603
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up. I mean, so, she is

604
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 1: one of very few female characters in the movie. She's

605
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: the only one that is like a primary character. There

606
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: are quite a few women with speaking roles in the movie,

607
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: but they're mostly in like tertiary roles, and they're usually

608
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: in like service, like a lot of secretaries attendants, someone

609
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: who gets super super banged by Yeah. Yeah, wof. There's

610
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: a lot to unpack there there. I think it's interesting

611
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: that they it's it's weird because I feel like what

612
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: frustrated me about this movie, even though I ultimately did

613
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: like it, is that this movie contradicts itself in so

614
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: many ways where it's trying to have it so many

615
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: ways where it's like with Lulu, you're given basically a

616
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: female christ Like figure, but she doesn't get to do

617
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: any of the cool stuff that comes with being a

618
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: christ Like figure, like you've got if you were talking

619
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: movie christ like figures, you know, you've got your fucking

620
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Luke Skywalkers, you got your Harry Potters, you got your

621
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, you got you got like and and the

622
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 1: thing about Christ figure is, at some point you get

623
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 1: to not be a baby and do something, and she

624
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,399
Speaker 1: doesn't get to do that. Yeah, it comes with a

625
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: leadership role, right at a certain point. You know, you

626
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: look at a Buffy and the thing about if you

627
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 1: look at a Buffy, she kicks a lot of asks

628
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: and she's a young girl. But part of being the

629
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: Slater and then obviously there's problems with that series too,

630
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: a part of being the Slayers it comes with a

631
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: natural leadership ability. Typically when it Dude, even if he

632
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: discovers two days ago that he can maybe use the

633
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: forest kind of if he squints, he suddenly becomes someone

634
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: very important to the rebellion and and not just because

635
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, he can kind of maybe do a thing,

636
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: but because they respect him for his brain, for his mind,

637
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: and he suddenly becomes a leader of people. And with

638
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: the born sexy babies, they get to get past the

639
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: baby face. She even wonder child, Yeah, like even wonder woman.

640
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,240
Speaker 1: She does become kind of a leader, but even then

641
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: it's mostly when it's her and the Pine separated and

642
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, I've seen what she's doing, and so

643
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and let her do it. But like

644
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: as far as being a tactician or a military leader

645
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: or someone who has the respect of folks, Lelu never

646
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: gets that, and she could murder all of them. And

647
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: then she like passed respect more you should respect and

648
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: angry baby even more, and she kind of conveniently tends

649
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: to fall lamp or pass out when it would be

650
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: convenient end for Bruce Willis's character to suddenly be useful.

651
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: It's like Jean Graham the X Meen cartoon. Yes, yeah,

652
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: so there is a sequence when they're on the Flotsam

653
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: Jetsam place and then they're like, I was like, what

654
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: is that from? Okay, the Paradise Hotel, which is basically

655
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: Titanic I think we can all agree. Um, they just

656
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 1: evacuate and it does not work out. But there's a

657
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: sequence where Lee Lu is like single handedly fighting a

658
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: bunch of the bad aliens and then we're like, Okay, great,

659
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:36,479
Speaker 1: I guess she can fight because she looked up. It's

660
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: basically that same sequence from The Matrix when she's like,

661
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: I know kung fu, and then she even does this

662
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: motion with her hand. But this movie came before the

663
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 1: Matrix is probably a reference to something else anyway. So

664
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: she's like fighting off all these bad guys and then

665
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: for no reason, she like starts to die, Like she

666
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 1: becomes completely damseled and like it's just slam and don't

667
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: do anything for the whole Third is Bruce Willis kisses,

668
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,919
Speaker 1: loves kiss at the end of the day, so it's

669
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: true love's fucking kiss Like that's all it does. It

670
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: he's speaking of kisses. Let's talk about the surprise kiss

671
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: that happens. Okay, So this one, here's how it goes.

672
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: Uh Leelu is sleeping, repeat, unconscious, not conscious, cannot tell

673
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: what's going on. Bruce Willis tries to kiss her in

674
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: the tank top of all tops, and then she holds

675
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: a gun to his head, and he's like, you're right,

676
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have done that. I shouldn't have tried to

677
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: kiss you. But he's only saying that because there's a

678
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: gun to his head. Life, and then she says something

679
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 1: in her like divine language, and then his defenses. He said,

680
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: to wake you gently, and I thought you would remember

681
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: me from the cab as if you know, have you

682
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: ever wanted someone you met in a cab to kiss

683
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: you while you're sleeping? It's like up someone was like, oh,

684
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I molested you, but remember me from the

685
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: uber pool, so and get away from me. Man, When

686
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: that that whole kissing someone while they're sleeping thing was

687
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 1: so prevalent that when I was a kid, I would

688
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 1: think it was cute to run up on my parents

689
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: and kiss him on this cheek while they were sleeping.

690
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: And it took me three times to realize that's fucking terrifying.

691
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: And it ends with adults screaming yeah, and that rings

692
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: true till today that's so and then okay. So then

693
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: he condescends to her and he's like, call me when

694
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: you can speak English. JK. But really, dick, she speaks

695
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: like eighty languages. Sorry, she didn't get to English, and

696
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: then later he's like, oh, what was that thing that

697
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: she said? And then the priest translates it to never

698
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: without my permission. So in this case of the surprise

699
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: kiss in this movie, at least consent is acknowledged, and

700
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: she does hold a gun to his head for trying

701
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: to surprise kiss him, but he is not punished at all,

702
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: really because then he ends up getting to kiss her

703
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: later for reasons that don't make sense. But you know,

704
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: when you have a man and a woman in a

705
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: story together, they better kiss on each other at the end.

706
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: So that's just a world to say, a universe and

707
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: some shows is he like makes it even more frustrating

708
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: for me though, when it's like the movie demonstrates, yeah,

709
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,400
Speaker 1: we know what consented, we know how it works, we

710
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: just don't care. Like that's like even more frustrating when

711
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: I mean, it's frustrating and unacceptable across the board. But

712
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 1: you've got a somewhat different situation when you've got, for instance,

713
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: Brendan Fraser My King the Mummy surprise kissing in the

714
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: Mummy and it's never commented on, and the way that

715
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: movie positions it is that they don't know what they're doing,

716
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: like they're stupid. Well, in that movie, he surprised kisses

717
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: Rachel White's and then she's like and then she falls

718
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,240
Speaker 1: and you're like, all this movie is for idiots, Okay,

719
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: got it, but this movie is like, no, not without

720
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: my permission. And then you're like, oh, cool, we're on

721
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 1: the right track, and they're like just getting we're not.

722
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep getting this woman naked and the movie

723
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: won't like the world will end unless she gets like

724
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: kissed by this guy who molested her at the beginning

725
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: of the movie. Awesome, and I wanted to talk more

726
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: about that, the way that just the wardrobe of this movie,

727
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: the way women are dressed. It's with Leelu especially. We

728
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: already talked about the straps at somehow magically become like

729
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: a bathe and it doesn't get better and movie goes on.

730
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: It's like turns into it differently at aar but this

731
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: one sort of has sleeves. Yeah, and it's it's matching

732
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 1: though Bruce's orange tank tops, so they matched. Yeah, that's great. Um,

733
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: but yeah, we see her nipples I think no less

734
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 1: than three times in the movie. She's alway. It's because

735
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: she doesn't understand social norms, so that gives her permission

736
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: to just be like, oh naked, and like even the

737
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: Blue Singing Lady is wearing a dress that looks like

738
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: she's naked, right, Like she's wearing a flesh colored for

739
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: her dress. But don't worry, that scene ends with her

740
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 1: dying and getting punched in the stomach. We're not Mexo sexualizer.

741
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 1: She's meant to be our mom there. It's like she's

742
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 1: sexy until she's dead and then she's mommy, and you're like,

743
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: what is this fucking movie? But then the women who

744
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: are like you know, the flight attendants and things like that,

745
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: they're wearing these like very scant uniforms where oh yeah, yeah,

746
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: it's the party plane, like that's what it is, right,

747
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: Like it looks like remember in Iron Man when all

748
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden, all the stewardesses are on the pole,

749
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,759
Speaker 1: but in the beginning, they like pretend like they're not

750
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 1: going to be on a pole and they're gonna be

751
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: just flight attendants as the first Iron Man. Oh my god,

752
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: I haven't seen that. Oh yeah, so that it's a

753
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: terrible scene and it's meant to be part of why

754
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: Tony Stark sucks. It's meant to be part of why

755
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: Tony Stark socks. But in this movie, all of the

756
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: women are are dressed like the Halloween version of a

757
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: flight attendant. Yeah, patriarchy is alive and well in Yes. Yeah.

758
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: The way that she's dressed throughout the movie, through the

759
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: very end is like she starts nude, she ends nude,

760
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: and in between there's a series of scantily clad outfits

761
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: always and and the way she's filmed it's always very

762
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: I mean fully male gaze. There's no commentary being made

763
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:43,479
Speaker 1: at all. And on that note, let's take a quick break.

764
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: What do you say sounds good? All right? Can we

765
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 1: talk about Ruby Road? We better queer icon, pans axual icon,

766
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: pantecrobably possible. I do find it interesting that this feels

767
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: like they're trying to have it both ways, where they're like,

768
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a dude who is hyper sexual, turns

769
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: on all the ladies all of this stuff, but in

770
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: order to make sure that he is not more sexy

771
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: or sexual than our lead, we have to give him

772
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: parts that are feminine. It is like a very nineties

773
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 1: way of looking at that I hear a lot of

774
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: homes in the audience. This is the thing I've thought

775
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: about as another pan sexual, like on, um, you can't

776
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: close your legs. So yeah, it is interesting because obviously,

777
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: like he does have a feminine moments, but he is

778
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: also like banging down stewardesses in weird ways, maybe more coercy,

779
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: not super consensually ways. Yeah, with which we'll talk about.

780
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: But it's also yeah, so they wanted clearly to make

781
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: this character that's like super sexy. Everyone wants to be

782
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,800
Speaker 1: with him, but how do we make him not a

783
00:47:57,040 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: threat for our hero for the love of our baby woman. Right,

784
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 1: He's also basically doing a podcast the whole thing. He's like,

785
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: he's like talking into a mic. He's like like where

786
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: the show is or where I was paying broadcast. It's

787
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: like this could be anyone in Los Angeles. It's on

788
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: iTunes cast for mattresses, but it was Blue Apron delivered

789
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: uh fifty pounds of seafood onto my doorstep the other day,

790
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: but yeah, so I don't know why they did. Yeah,

791
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: he's got this like entourage of like men who were

792
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: like all kind of queer coded. He's coming, coming, man coming,

793
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: and it's also a way to like slide in some

794
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: black people that weren't um, you know, house musicians in

795
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: the nineties in England, which is what basically all the

796
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: other black people are where either English models or English rappers.

797
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 1: A lot of it's very European. A lot of this movie. Really,

798
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: it is a tricky character. I feel like it very

799
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: like very much falls under the umbrella that we come

800
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: up with nineties movies all the time, which is like

801
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: kind of like what you're saying, Daniel is like a

802
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: movie trying to have it both ways. It's like, oh,

803
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: this is some manner or impression of queer representation, but

804
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: don't worry. There's still very bad to women, and like, yes,

805
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: it's a manner of queer representation, but don't worry. Technically

806
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: if you wrote them out of the script, the movie

807
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: would be no different. They really don't push the story

808
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 1: forward in any way. It's sort of queer representation, but

809
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: also they constantly are needing the straight male white lead

810
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: to bail them out, and so it just feels like

811
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: it it is a step in some ways, but also

812
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, it was frustrating. It's like you you

813
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: want that character who is like so funny and so

814
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: like well played to have more of a narrative impact.

815
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: It feels like someone loo black wife realize that a

816
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: lot of the black people in the movie don't actually

817
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 1: get to be people. It was like, maybe we should

818
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: make one of the black people of purple and not

819
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: make them an alien or paint them blue or like

820
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 1: do whatever, Like maybe there should be one person that's

821
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 1: clearly black. Yeah, it's like it's it's so frustrating because

822
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 1: it's so well played and the character and it's funny

823
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: and the fits are incredible. I don't know, I just

824
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,360
Speaker 1: wish that it's it's very frustrating me when movies incorporate

825
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,280
Speaker 1: any marginalized group in a way that doesn't progress the narrative,

826
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 1: because then it just sort of reads as to some extent,

827
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 1: kind of like gratuitous, as like they were just doing it,

828
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 1: like oh, I'll just do this, but it won't actually

829
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: make a difference. Yeah, that's what like when when the

830
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: groups of the gates of the people, when they complain

831
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: about this is just to please the s JW's, It's like, no,

832
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 1: because we actually want our characters to mean something. This

833
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: is because they want to at all four or five

834
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: quadrants that has nothing to do with us, and that's

835
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: what this was. Yeah, although again I mean I do that.

836
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: It's a great character and I love him, but yeah,

837
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: he can very easily not at all be in the movie.

838
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 1: I just like if he had even it would be

839
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 1: so easy to write out like he doesn't know how

840
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 1: to defend himself in any way, or like if if

841
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: he had a skill that could forward the group, which

842
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: would help the story because it would make them seem

843
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: like more of a group and not just sort of

844
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: a group of people who are co dependent on Bruce Willis,

845
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: then that would have been great and it would have

846
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: been such an easy fix that would have made the

847
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: story better. And it's like, if you just unpassed out

848
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: Leelu and gave Ruby Road a skill, the movie is better.

849
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: So why not do that? Oh yeah, well could and

850
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,879
Speaker 1: Ruby Rod essentially became the damsel during that escape scene, right,

851
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give to run. It is iconic, but y

852
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: god damn it. A couple of things I wanted to mention.

853
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: Jamie already touched on this, but Corbyn's mom so we

854
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: never meet her on screen. Corbin's mom is the just

855
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: no mother in law subreddit made into a person. That's

856
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: a joke for the people who got it. There's a

857
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: sepright on reddit which is just people bitching about their

858
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: mothers and laws, which becomes very clear that it's just

859
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: people writing fan fiction where they get to call women bitches. Oh,

860
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: very cool. Love that's pretty tight. But so Corbyn's mom,

861
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 1: we never meet her on screen, but we hear her

862
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: voice quite a bit because he's she's always calling nagging

863
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,799
Speaker 1: leaven messages. Man, women, you go from being a hot

864
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,080
Speaker 1: baby to being a nagging mom in two seconds, right,

865
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: And this is how a lot of moms are portrayed

866
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: in movies, where it's like I'm gonna let that pass. Uh,

867
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: this is a restaurant, but this is not a lot

868
00:53:03,880 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: of women are A lot of mothers are portrayed in

869
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: movies where it's like a nagging, overbearing like can't let

870
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: go of her baby boy, and like often played as

871
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: like comic relief, like someone to not be taken seriously

872
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: because he's always like brushing her off and it's just

873
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 1: like a commonly known as like bad writing. Yeah, that

874
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: is exactly what that. There's no in between. There's very

875
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:26,800
Speaker 1: I mean now We're getting to a point where you

876
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 1: get competent women, but very often it is like you

877
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 1: were either a sexy person I want a sex who

878
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: also kicks other people sexily, or you are this nagging,

879
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: horrible Oh why should I have to clean my room? Mom?

880
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: Why do I have to take my diarrhea medication? Now?

881
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 1: I'm all right, man, And that's real. You can look

882
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: at and you never you never see her, right, we

883
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: never formally meet her. She's strictly playing off screen for

884
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: laughs with Bruce Willis and then later with the President.

885
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: She's like, I don't believe you're the president. The President

886
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: sucks cut to Bruce Willis. Fucking end of movie. A

887
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: great last hilarious. Another female character who's introduced, who is

888
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 1: like kind of played as a joke is her name

889
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: is Major ice Borg, another Titanic reference. Obviously that is

890
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: the official they're like, Sir Major ice Borg. But she

891
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: comes in in the scene where the general is like, hey, Corbin,

892
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: we need you to like go on this secret mission

893
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: even though you are retired from the military, but do

894
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: this anyway. So she comes in and basically she would

895
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: not probably be considered attractive by Western ideal like beauty standards,

896
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: and then they're like, she's gonna play your wife, Corbin

897
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: in your won this trip and he takes one look

898
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: at her and he's like, I am not going is

899
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: if Like she's not beautiful traditionally, so therefore she is disgusting,

900
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: and uh, it's just like play not worth being around

901
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: for three fucking seconds. Yeah, it's so frot like. They're

902
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: also like, per this movie, you don't see women for

903
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: canonically three centuries, and then when you get to women finally,

904
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's only actually naked white ladies that

905
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: we see and everything else is gross to us. So sorry,

906
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: and that's just the movie. Yeah, look, I either want

907
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: the perfect woman who you made out of a hand

908
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: or nothing at all. Not this incredibly like that woman

909
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: could have had his back, could have shot some folks up.

910
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 1: We don't know how long she's been in the academy.

911
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 1: She had probably been working with She's a major. You

912
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 1: know how long it takes to be a fucking major.

913
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: She had been to be a major for years, and

914
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 1: this dude looks at her and goes like, oh, your hips,

915
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: and it's suddenly like I'm gonna do this mission alone.

916
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 1: I've been retired forever, but I know I'm better than

917
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: you with That's part of where I feel like this

918
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 1: movie ultimately, for even though you see it and aesthetically

919
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like a very conservative movie, but ultimately

920
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: I feel like the story does play very conservative because

921
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: you're given these characters who on the written page seem

922
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: like it's on the right track of like we've got

923
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: our female christ figure and we've got a queer reading

924
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: character who is present for much of the movie. But

925
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:45,720
Speaker 1: ultimately they are both deeply reliant and the plots deeply

926
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:50,640
Speaker 1: reliant on kind of your average white you know, ex military,

927
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 1: blue collar straight guy, and that that the Bruce Willis character.

928
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 1: And so I I just it seems like such a

929
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: coppa for it's a job high con that movie that

930
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: could be doing so much more to ultimately tease you

931
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:07,959
Speaker 1: and pull in viewers with like, Hi, this is something

932
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: you want to see in movies, like you want to

933
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: see women, you want to see queer people, you want

934
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: to see people of color. But ultimately it's the same thing,

935
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: and the movie won't end unless the norm takes place,

936
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: and so it's just like it's frustrating because it's for

937
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: so much of it. I'm on board, but the way

938
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: it plays out, you're like, funk, you hit all this stuff.

939
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: Why didn't you? Like it's pretty and weird and French

940
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: and unorthodox. But then at the end they're still like

941
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:37,959
Speaker 1: penises in janus right right, like it's ending a beam

942
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 1: of light. Sure, oh my god, were they the first

943
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: Never they did a reverse sky beam? Never mind, they

944
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: didn't do the sky beam going down. They did the

945
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: sky beam coming up. They didn't from her mouth because

946
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: that's where love comes from, you know, the love hole.

947
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: So frustrating, Yeah, to thinks that were like the diva

948
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,760
Speaker 1: character is like, she needs your help and she needs

949
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: your love, and it's like, does she she's a weapon,

950
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: she's a nuke? Do you have to make out with

951
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: this new right? Like I guess they're trying to humanize

952
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: her in that moment, but it's to fringe this bomb

953
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: like and he's like, I'll do It's like, man, you

954
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: know what humanizing her would do more than having other

955
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,919
Speaker 1: people tell you that is make her a person. Yeah,

956
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: that's if you wrote her as a person, Because all

957
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 1: of those are words on a page, and you can

958
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: change any of those any second, and you can tell

959
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: that whole sequence where like the diva's singing opera and

960
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: then we cut back to Lee Lu fighting. You can

961
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: tell that everyone involved in the movie is like, oh

962
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: my god, feminism, we get it. It's just like guys

963
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: are like high fiving and patting themselves on their back, like,

964
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: oh m G seven, we did it, and it's like, no,

965
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,959
Speaker 1: you're hot. You a woman kicked one time and within

966
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: minutes at this sequence ending, one will die and you'll

967
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 1: have ruce waves punched through her flesh. You did you

968
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 1: do it? To be fair, she already had a bullet

969
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,640
Speaker 1: hole and he just reaches into it. But Fairy reaches

970
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:16,040
Speaker 1: in my bullet hole. Daddy, get the stones, daddy. That's

971
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: what I always said. That's like, where are the stone sounds?

972
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: They're in my daddy. He's like in her? What could

973
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 1: that possibly mean? Does that mean they're in her? Oh?

974
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: It does? So I think it bears. It bears telling

975
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: that during this moment, which is I think one of

976
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,959
Speaker 1: the only moments where there's cut screens where two women

977
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: are both doing equal They're both doing the most impossible

978
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: thing you've ever seen in the world. And that's the

979
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: only time they showed to me and then Bruce will

980
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 1: hast seen punching a woman, which is not even the

981
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 1: only time Bruce Willis has done that on screen, so

982
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, he just like he's like, oh the Stones,

983
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 1: I got the and then everyone's like, whoop, sorry about

984
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: your deadpop. Yeah, then r I p Diva Bruce changes

985
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: into and regretfully, I honestly lost a lot of interest

986
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 1: once he took off the tank top. I really liked it.

987
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: Oh God, well, is there anything anything anyone else wants

988
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: to talk about? Um? Let's see, uh consent? Did we

989
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:32,680
Speaker 1: have Ruby Rod? Um? I think Ruby Road. I apologize.

990
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 1: It's fine because I keep doing like he keeps doing

991
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 1: like funny weird things with his accent to be like, yeah,

992
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: I think I heard it that way the first time,

993
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: and then I was like, okay, sounds good. But then

994
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: Ruby Rod, You're like, oh, Penis got it. I get

995
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: it because his dick get it. Because of Dick. Uh

996
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: that was everything I had. It's weird because it's like, ultimately,

997
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: I even on first viewing, enjoyed this movie and it

998
01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 1: is so like aesthetically fun and it moves so quickly

999
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: and it's on daily motion dot com. I mean, what

1000
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 1: Mark could you want in a movie, but there are

1001
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,200
Speaker 1: so many, Like I think it's a as the classic

1002
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 1: cas of like a nineties movie, trying to have it

1003
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: every which way but ultimately playing to the norm. Yeah, exactly,

1004
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 1: because you know in the end, wasn't it Ruby Rod

1005
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: who fucked up opening the Stones? It's coming? He doesn't

1006
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: have fire. Yeah, he's like, I quit smoking, even though

1007
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 1: the day before we see him smoking a cigarette. Let's

1008
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: be real that Mike, that Mike is half my calf

1009
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 1: vape new reboot where we blow vape smoke on the stones,

1010
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 1: coolest stones ever. Man. We touched on us a little bit.

1011
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 1: But like Corbin spends the whole movie condescending to the

1012
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: woman he's in love with, and we'll end up with

1013
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 1: at the in the love story makes no fucking it really,

1014
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 1: it doesn't need to be there. She even says like love,

1015
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 1: I don't know love, and he's like, I'm gonna put

1016
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: my face on you again, and it's like, bitch, that's

1017
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: not love. Like you just like remember when I molested you.

1018
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: Let's give it a second shot, and this time it works.

1019
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: I guess his horrible because she's so tired. Yes, she's

1020
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: just this movie has beaten her down again or a

1021
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: diet because she's had to like bear the like emotional

1022
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 1: labor of like learning what war is and like being

1023
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:40,680
Speaker 1: the supreme being is like her Urkle where he's like,

1024
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm wearing you down, I'm wearing you down, But then

1025
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: he does, and that's how the movie ends. And then

1026
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,480
Speaker 1: where her watching war and be like reminded me of

1027
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: fifty First Days when you're barrymore Hustle learned his two

1028
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 1: thousand and five every day and she's like, oh, no,

1029
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Is a negress governor? Like that was

1030
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: kind of what it reminded me of. But yeah, like

1031
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 1: I feel like the thing he's always like patronizing her

1032
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: and condescending to her based on her she doesn't have

1033
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: a great grasp of the English language yet, even though

1034
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 1: she's had a day to learn it and is doing

1035
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:18,400
Speaker 1: a pretty good job with what she's got. What she

1036
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 1: knows and what she doesn't know is very plot convenient.

1037
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: She's supposed to know everything, but she doesn't know anything

1038
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: that Bruce Willis can teach her, right, But then like

1039
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: someone they're like trying to check into the Flying Titanic,

1040
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 1: He's like, yes, they know what a fucking multi passes

1041
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, it's just like a movie pass And

1042
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, he's like really mean to her

1043
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: and then she's like, but let's kiss. So yeah, this

1044
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: movie is weird. That's my last comment. So it was weird.

1045
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you still like it, that's fine. Yeah.

1046
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: Should we take some questions or comments from the audience?

1047
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: Does anyone have anything they want to share, A question,

1048
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 1: a comment they like to share. I guess someone yes,

1049
01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:04,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, coming up. I just thought it was funny

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Speaker 1: that this is a movie very similar to Blade Runner

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Speaker 1: and also very similar in the sense that straight white

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Speaker 1: men love to try to explain it to you and, um,

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01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 1: help you understand why it's so good, but you don't

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01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: get it. Man tears in the rain. He improved that

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Speaker 1: scene we had someone else. Are you gonna come up?

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Speaker 1: What's your name? Um? My name is Ben real quick? Um,

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Speaker 1: So I noticed I just remembered that in Valerian, actually

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Speaker 1: there is another um. Both in this movie end in Valeria,

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Speaker 1: and there's a scene where a woman does a big

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01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: song number in Valarious Rihanna and then does something to

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Speaker 1: help out the hero and then immediately dies to advance

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Speaker 1: the plot. So my question is, does Luke Bissan hate

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Speaker 1: female singers? Um? I think it was another thing where

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Speaker 1: Luc Bisson's black wife was like just something for me,

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Speaker 1: just Rihanna or like something. But even in that one,

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Speaker 1: she's like a comfort woman, a woman of the night,

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Speaker 1: and performing in all of those things is is how

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Speaker 1: she attracts people, as though being Rihanna was somehow not

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Speaker 1: enough in space. It's weird, it's like you if. I

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Speaker 1: also have the feeling that most of Luson's stories were

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01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: created when he was fourteen years old, and so he

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01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: writes women as if he is a holy proteenager and

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Speaker 1: that's a bad writing. Oh god, how gross would be

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Speaker 1: if he was just like, oh, what's a younger version

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Speaker 1: of my wife to be in this movie? But I wasn't,

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Speaker 1: but I asked him. When I answer your question, I

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01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: think that Luke Bisson doesn't respect women period. And I

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01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:52,480
Speaker 1: think he loves a song and dance sequence and he's like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna waste a man in this. Put someone

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Speaker 1: in some hot pants, yeah, make a prance for me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's a great and unfortunate point. Thank you. Do you

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Speaker 1: have any other questions? Anything. Oh yeah, come on down.

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Speaker 1: What's your name? My name is Katie. When we were

1084
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: watching this movie, my question was they find this hand

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01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: which doesn't look like her hand after she's made into

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01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:19,840
Speaker 1: a person, do they design her like the creepy scientists

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01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: design her to look like that or is that like

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01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: her genetic code? Oh? Actually, this is something I wanted

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01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 1: to touch on. I have to imagine they're just reconstructing

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01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 1: whatever like genetic material would like dictate her to end

1091
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 1: up being like but that what ends up perhaps, so

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01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: everyone is using like he pronouns before they realize that

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01:06:41,600 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: she is a woman. Uh so it's that woman's perfect.

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01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: So this to me is a version of that trope

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01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: where it's like the person that you thought was a

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01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: man until they take off their helmet is actually a

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01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 1: woman and you don't even get the like the frustrating

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01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: but also the one redeeming part of that trope, as

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01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 1: you get to see that character be capable at something

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01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: before you find out they're a woman. And this woman

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01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: does not even isn't even afforded that. It's like a

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Speaker 1: hand god like when she comes out of the Fiudi printer,

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01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: like she is perfect. Yeah, and they're like oh cool,

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01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,760
Speaker 1: So she doesn't have any we don't really care, and

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01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 1: it's just and you see her be literally like I

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01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: I feel as if you see her be literally born

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Speaker 1: in this thing that she later fox Bruce Willis in

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01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,120
Speaker 1: because we all aspire to fuck Bruce Willis inside of

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01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: our moms, like fucking in your childhood bed, which is

1110
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: still also your mom. Just I honestly wish I had

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01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 1: I never did, but you know it's it's fucking weird. Yeah,

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01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: that they it is sort of that thing where they're like,

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01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 1: it is it perfect that you can hetero fuck and

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01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,280
Speaker 1: that's like the Lamo Coppa right, And then even like uh,

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01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 1: father Cornelius is like he's a she because everyone was,

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01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 1: I guess expecting the perfect sabreme being to be a man,

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01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:12,360
Speaker 1: but she's a woman. But that has no impact on

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Speaker 1: the story except for the fact that then Bruce Willis

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01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,600
Speaker 1: can later have sex with her because he's hetero and

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Speaker 1: because hetero normativity. Are there any other questions or comments?

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Speaker 1: Gary Olman's canceled, so we can't comment on him at

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01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: this time. Alfred Molina should have a Billina would have

1123
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,479
Speaker 1: killed it. Alba Billina could have played Bruce Willis is

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01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 1: partly been thick Bruce Willis. That would have been great.

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Speaker 1: He I would love well. I don't not to take

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01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: parts away from women, but what if the hand traled

1127
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,320
Speaker 1: into Alfred Bollina. That would have been kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: And then when everything else was exactly the same, he's

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Speaker 1: still Casses Bruce Wills at the end, there's still love.

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Speaker 1: I don't know love. What if it Albert will appeared

1131
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: in an incubator and they're like, perfect, I want to

1132
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: see I want Prince Well to be like five D

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01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: proud eyes, Alfa Molina, Lulu Dallas multi pass and then yeah,

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01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,959
Speaker 1: I think that actually not to like, you know, uncast

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01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: the only woman in this movie, but I think Alva

1136
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: Billina would be a great Lulu. Yeah. I would have

1137
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 1: it was a gender neutral name exactly. Would have help Billina,

1138
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: would have Bruce Willis kissed Alpha Billina and then alfread

1139
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: Billina did kill Bruce Willis, and he's like, I'm the

1140
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 1: hero of the movie. Now this is the Alpha Blena movie.

1141
01:09:41,360 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 1: This is the Molina element, like Alpha Morlena. Yeah, so anyways,

1142
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: we just uncast the female lead. Hey, does this movie

1143
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test? No? Not even a little bit. No,

1144
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: there's times where women speak to each other, but it's

1145
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,760
Speaker 1: usually the times I spot it was Lulu talking to

1146
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,760
Speaker 1: a woman in a service role who was not names. Yeah,

1147
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:10,680
Speaker 1: we don't know her name. Yeah, so yeah, that's a

1148
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: big fat no on passing the Bechdel tests for this movie.

1149
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: Shall we write the movie on our nipple scale? Let's

1150
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 1: do zero to five nipples based on its portrayal and

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01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:23,560
Speaker 1: representation of women. I'm gonna go ahead and give the

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01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: fifth element a half nipple. I mean between the like

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: wild objectification and sexualization of a female character who is

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01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 1: crucial to the story in the sense that she is

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01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: the fifth element and she's like the component they need

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01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: for the weapon against evil. But aside from that, like

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01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 1: her characterization, it's the whole born sexy yesterday trope. She

1158
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: is there for gratuitous nudity a lot of the time.

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01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: She is has the brain of a baby essentially that

1160
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: is very good at learning about war and she hates it.

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01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: Do you think someone watched that movie and they're like, Oh,

1162
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: where's bad? Oh my god, I'm going to give up

1163
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: on everything now until Bruce Willis puts one on me. Uh,

1164
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: and then even like the moments where she's like kicking

1165
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: ass just like feel like a very empty thing where well,

1166
01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: now Bruce Willis will respect her when he flex her

1167
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:34,800
Speaker 1: so dumb. Yeah, So I think the movie doesn't really

1168
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:39,840
Speaker 1: handle anything well when it comes to representing women. So yeah,

1169
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:43,200
Speaker 1: that's a half nipple from me, and I will give

1170
01:11:43,240 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: it of course to Cormoran Dallas's cat. So um, that's

1171
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: that daniell Um. I'm going to give it a full nipple.

1172
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm giving it one full nip, if only because the

1173
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 1: action scenes were really good and it did help launch

1174
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: Miyadjoovic's career. Because of that, she was able to go

1175
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: on and be an actual good actress in things where

1176
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 1: she got to kick people in the face, and because

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01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: it was able to launch that career in other movies,

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01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: it'll get a full nip. Cool, I guess I'll go

1179
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: half as well there there, It's just it's all the

1180
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: progressist movie is trying to make us kind of self

1181
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 1: defeating in a very way, uh that we see over

1182
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: and over again, and as pleasant as I'm sure it

1183
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: was to see some representation at the time of this

1184
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: coming out, seeing it over twenty years later, it feels

1185
01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 1: even more frustrating to feel like you're trying to have

1186
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 1: your cake and eat it too, of like, here's queer representation,

1187
01:12:49,040 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: here's female representation. Just kidding, it's Ruse Wallas the whole time,

1188
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 1: and it's just it's frustrating. I am glad that it

1189
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:01,799
Speaker 1: was able to give credibility and a platform to actors

1190
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: who wouldn't have had it otherwise, and that's more than

1191
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,840
Speaker 1: a lot of movies at this time did, and that

1192
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 1: definitely deserves acknowledgement. But like plot wise, I would argue,

1193
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: you could write out really every character on Bruce Willis's

1194
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 1: team except for him, and the movie could feasibly play

1195
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: out the exact same way, because even though we're told

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01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: over and over that Leelu is the chosen one, Bruce

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01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: Willis is the chosen one according to this movie, because

1198
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 1: the thing that needs to happen cannot happen without him

1199
01:13:34,640 --> 01:13:37,439
Speaker 1: and without his choices every step of the way. So

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01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: it's weird that this movie is secretly all right, but

1201
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: uh no, I mean it's just like it it hurts

1202
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: to watch because you see a filmmaker who you can

1203
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:52,600
Speaker 1: tell thinks they're doing the right thing, but they're not.

1204
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:55,640
Speaker 1: And so it's frustrating, and so I'll give it a

1205
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 1: half nipple. And I'm going to give my half nipple

1206
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Speaker 1: to Chris Tucker Well. Danielle, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being here. Thank you for having guest. Danielle Radford, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: What would you like to plug? Where can people find

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Speaker 1: you're covering Dumplins as good as Revenge bur almost but

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Speaker 1: not quite. We are covering the Netflix movie Dumpling and

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Speaker 1: we are covering Drop Dead Gorgeous, both frequent requests as

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Speaker 1: of late. Yes, so check it out. Check out that,

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Speaker 1: check out our merch store, t public dot com, slash

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Speaker 1: the backtel Cast. Check us out on Twitter and Instagram

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Speaker 1: backdel Cast. You can also check out our Facebook if

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Speaker 1: you're still working with Facebook, which I am not. So

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Speaker 1: if you've sent us a Facebook message and you have

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Speaker 1: not gotten responds, it's probably because I never go on

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Speaker 1: Facebook anymore. Yeah, it's about to say, like, there we

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Speaker 1: I I go on Facebook sometimes, but only because I

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Speaker 1: like to make fun of my mom. Otherwise, Zuck is canceled,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl Sandberg's lean out You're mean, we don't like you.

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Speaker 1: Um also writing reviews on iTunes that would be great

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Speaker 1: and say that a lot and a lot MR is

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Speaker 1: getting to our reviews and it gets messy, so uh

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Speaker 1: we would appreciate it. So um. Thanks to listen for you. Yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening. Thanks for all of

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Speaker 1: your support. We'll be here next week. Bye bye