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Speaker 3: Well thanks thanks for having me bred Coast Guard.

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Speaker 1: Huh yeah.

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Speaker 3: I grew up in small town Wyoming. Needed to pay

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Speaker 4: I ended up the Coast Guard Academy and spent time

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of my what what's a what's a

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Speaker 1: booie tender? Uh?

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Speaker 3: The Coast Guard? Uh uh at that time, it was

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Speaker 4: Graduated from school in ninety I guess an academy, so

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Speaker 3: And the white boats were the law enforcement guys.

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Speaker 4: They're the guys who are chasing drug runners in Florida

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Speaker 3: And the buoy tenders were the black boat guys.

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Speaker 4: And the black boats they took care of all the

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Speaker 3: Actually, sure of.

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Speaker 1: The cowboys, state bro you turned into a pirate.

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Speaker 1: You know, Darcy blows you know, I mean, did you

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it was pretty amazing. I really was surprised.

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Speaker 4: I liked, you know, being out there in the cold

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Speaker 4: And as part of my coast Guard career at the Academy,

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Speaker 4: the Coast Guard Academy has a tall ship, but tall

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Speaker 3: It's called the Eagle, Yes, and.

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Speaker 4: It's a training ship we used, but my class got

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Speaker 4: to sail the ship down to two semesters. Half the

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Speaker 1: And the ropes and the the line. It's it's the

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Speaker 4: a World Wars training ship for Germany. Actually we kind

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Speaker 1: Actually yeah, really cool. No, you're cool. That's really cool, right, cool.

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Speaker 1: You'd have your own Gi Joe character, you know, Coast

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Speaker 1: That's so legit, you know, and I know that. You know,

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Speaker 1: there was this whole the Coast Guards Department of Defense.

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Speaker 1: It was military, right, it was a branch of the military,

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Speaker 1: and then it's moved into kind of like Homeland Security.

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Speaker 3: I don't think the Coast Guard is ever part of

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Speaker 4: I think it's another department Treasury as a revenue tax

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Speaker 4: until recently until Homeland Security, her transportation, until it went

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Speaker 4: It was never under do D because Coast Guard has

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Speaker 1: moving my body right and at altitude, like I'm at

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Speaker 1: altitude twelve three hundred and eighty eight feet is where

441
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Speaker 1: snake crests at the top. When I go to the

442
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Speaker 1: lift and I'm up there and i go to strap

443
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Speaker 1: my bindings in, and I'm like, I gotta do some

444
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,879
Speaker 1: you know, just like kind of get my bearings, because

445
00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 1: just bending over you exert yourself just to strap in bindings. Bro.

446
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 1: So you know, just like the simplest things. And so,

447
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,199
Speaker 1: you know, and then all of a sudden, I go

448
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Speaker 1: from high altitude twelve thousand, you know, almost thirteen thousand

449
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Speaker 1: feet straight down to four thousand to go to work

450
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Speaker 1: that same day. And then when I go to work

451
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,800
Speaker 1: that day, I'm running war games. And so I do

452
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 1: a huge airsoft wargame here in Utah in the mountains,

453
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:49,520
Speaker 1: the deserts and inside indoor CQB close quarter battle style training,

454
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: and so I also am running people during briefing. The

455
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 1: thing I ask is, do I have any heat casualties?

456
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,439
Speaker 1: People that you know are diabetic? Anybody I hear that

457
00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 1: has any heart issues that I need to know about

458
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Speaker 1: in advance. I'm not a medic. I'm not trying to

459
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 1: pretend to be one. I just want to watch you

460
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: make sure that you know. Okay, this dude just went down,

461
00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 1: He said he was a diabetic. Does anybody guy his insulin?

462
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: Anybody got an EpiPen? Anybody got anything for this dude

463
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 1: that said he's got this, that or that. So I

464
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: just want to know from these guys, because again, one thing,

465
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Speaker 1: you think you can play the video game. It's one

466
00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: thing to think you can play the video game with

467
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:21,639
Speaker 1: your thumbs and run through Call of Duty and get

468
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,960
Speaker 1: all those kills. It's another to put all that gear

469
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Speaker 1: on and then just all of a sudden, you're at

470
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Speaker 1: the mountains with me and my guys and we're just like, yeah,

471
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Speaker 1: we're gonna go up in this hills right here, just

472
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Speaker 1: getting up to the hills to start the game, and

473
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Speaker 1: you know, are you gonna die on us? We haven't

474
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Speaker 1: even started the game yet. Right, and then people realize

475
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Speaker 1: through what we do with these large scale wargames is

476
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: that they got to hit the gym. Bro. You know,

477
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 1: I quit smoking in two thousand and four because I

478
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Speaker 1: started war gaming in O one. I was like, why

479
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Speaker 1: I heard myself on video going. I was like, I

480
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 1: don't like that the things that make you think about it, right,

481
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 1: And also I wanted to be able to keep up

482
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Speaker 1: with these younger dudes. I was in my twenties, but

483
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: I still getting chased by seventeen, eighteen, nineteen year olds,

484
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 1: thirty five year olds who have been in the military

485
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Speaker 1: out of the military. So for twenty years since since

486
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Speaker 1: I've been doing this, I have just been consistently maintaining

487
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,360
Speaker 1: what I call the Donkey mentality. So I just got

488
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Speaker 1: to go up the hill step by step by step,

489
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Speaker 1: my thighs, my quads, donkey. Any thoughts on what I'm

490
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Speaker 1: telling you right now?

491
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're talking about is uphill movea underload.

492
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Speaker 4: That's right, That's a big part of I mean, that's

493
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Speaker 4: the fundamental fitness demand of any mountain sports is uphill

494
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Speaker 4: movema underload or most of them anyway, So except maybe

495
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Speaker 4: you know alpine lifted or lift assistant skiing.

496
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Speaker 3: But you know, so yeah, we that was a big

497
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Speaker 3: part of our my programming.

498
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Speaker 4: I mean the first when I first started programming for

499
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Speaker 4: mountain athletes, I learned some hard lessons. You know, the

500
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Speaker 4: training for football players does not work for training for

501
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 4: mountain sports, right, help you get up the mountain, and

502
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 4: so yeah, that's uh. The what was interesting about my

503
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 4: own career was, you know, I read every book was

504
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 4: out there, and there just weren't any books on focused,

505
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 4: professionally driven or professionally designed you know, training for mountain.

506
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Speaker 3: And tactic athletes.

507
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Speaker 4: And so well, over the years I've been able to

508
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Speaker 4: do hard knocks, learn those lessons, and developed the develop theory.

509
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I see my father, which you may not know,

510
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: was a former Green Beret. His flax that's on the

511
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Speaker 1: mantle right here with his beret tactical athlete hands down,

512
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Speaker 1: all of his all of his friends, all of the

513
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Speaker 1: guys I grew up around my dad growing up. If

514
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Speaker 1: you could imagine, just always run a marathons. Who can

515
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Speaker 1: outdo who who can sit on their fingertips and put

516
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Speaker 1: their feet out? You know what it's like, who's got

517
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Speaker 1: the core, who's training with chuff Norris's you know, former

518
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Speaker 1: ex world champion that fought him and stuff like that's

519
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: exactly how those guys, you know, we're going and so

520
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: I guess I get a little bit of that from them.

521
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: I didn't go as hard as they did, you know,

522
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: at all in the military. I was Air Force, So

523
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: you know, I do when I talk to guys like

524
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: yourself or SF guy gets on the show, or former

525
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,440
Speaker 1: sas or any of this, I always tell them, you're

526
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Speaker 1: like an Olympic athlete, and I know about that rat.

527
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Speaker 1: I don't know, cheery cheery cheero. No, No, you are, bro.

528
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,920
Speaker 1: You're running, you're gunning, you're humping, you're you're keeping in fit,

529
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Speaker 1: you know, and you're doing all these huge missions that

530
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Speaker 1: or your training for missions. How is that not training

531
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Speaker 1: to be a tactical athlete. Yeah.

532
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Speaker 3: I think what's kind of wonder over the years is

533
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Speaker 3: that the.

534
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Speaker 4: What we helped to bring is some professionalism and just

535
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Speaker 4: some planning and design to that that program designed for

536
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Speaker 4: those types of athletes. And on the mountain side also

537
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 4: we work with on the mountain side, primarily mountain professionals,

538
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Speaker 4: either pro athletes sponsored or you know, or mount professional

539
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 4: will be like a you know, ski patrolman or somebody

540
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 4: like that has a job up there, so they need

541
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Speaker 4: to be professional by your fitness. I don't know if

542
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Speaker 4: I would call tactical athletes giving special forces guys Olympic athletes.

543
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 4: I've worked with Olympic athletes, and there's a different talent,

544
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 4: but they do have, you know, just athletic talent, but

545
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Speaker 4: they do have a really unique set of fitness demands,

546
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Speaker 4: and they have a you know, a burden of constant fitness,

547
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Speaker 4: especially on the off side, or they have to be

548
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Speaker 4: fit all the time, and and they have to work

549
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Speaker 4: over a long career and so you know, the you know,

550
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Speaker 4: I worked with the Olympic ski racer and I think

551
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Speaker 4: she was on the ski team about a dozen years,

552
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Speaker 4: which is a long time. You know, most a lot

553
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Speaker 4: of those athletes, they just don't have careers as long,

554
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Speaker 4: so you know, to be if you want to be,

555
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Speaker 4: especially if you want to you know, as you know,

556
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Speaker 4: some of the guys on the teams, and most guys

557
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Speaker 4: are able to stay on the teams at a twenty

558
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 4: year career fifteen years, you know, which is pretty awesome,

559
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 4: but that's that's a long time to you know, stay

560
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 4: fit and you know, they're retiring in their late thirties

561
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: or whatever, so which is old if you've been doing

562
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 4: that kind of work all the time. So yeah, it

563
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,160
Speaker 4: could be professional about your fitness for sure.

564
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Speaker 1: It's kind of like you know, professional athletes too, you know.

565
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Speaker 1: I mean they're kind of retiring at the late thirty

566
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Speaker 1: eight forty year old mark and you know here I am.

567
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Speaker 3: Yeah, once you don't get injured, yeah yeah, right right.

568
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Speaker 1: You know, like you know, for example, I think John

569
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,239
Speaker 1: Stocked into the Utah Jazz retired like at forty, you know,

570
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,439
Speaker 1: after putting in twenty years, missing three games, you know.

571
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's the kind of that drive is kind

572
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Speaker 1: of what I'm talking about where they know how to

573
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Speaker 1: break down either that fourth wall. You know, the Olympic

574
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Speaker 1: athlete can just run like an ex distance surround of

575
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 1: they you know, they sometimes they it probably crosses their

576
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: mind like I should just stop and rest. This doesn't

577
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: this sucks. But they can just break down and keep

578
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: going that wall, you know, and power through it, mind

579
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: over matter, per se, and then they collapse at the

580
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Speaker 1: finish line.

581
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an interesting idea. I found that the more

582
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 4: experienced they are, the smarter they are as you know

583
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 4: what you know. I think you know you being a

584
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 4: sponsored snowboarder.

585
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 3: The better your.

586
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 4: Technique, the less fitness it takes to snowboard.

587
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: I go fast, just go fast. If you go fast,

588
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: the easiest way, just straight.

589
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 4: I tried to my pro skiers downhill, you know, and

590
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: I'm just pretty shitty skied, and I would be huffing

591
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 4: and puffing and despite my fitness at the bottom and

592
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 4: they wouldn't need work. It's just they're just something, you know,

593
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 4: their their technique is so good. They just use their muscles,

594
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 4: you know, less than others. So yeah, but I think

595
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,400
Speaker 4: that in my work it seemed that the older guys

596
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 4: are definitely smarter about their programming and they can't understand

597
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 4: well ideally, if they've been professional about it, they don't

598
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 4: go hard. I mean, the the younger guys are really

599
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 4: going hard. The older guys that they're more smart about it.

600
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 4: So we hope to catch some of the younger guys early,

601
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 4: make them be smart about it.

602
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: And make it me smart about it, yeah exactly, versus

603
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: like just throwing it all to the wind and just

604
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: you know, busting a backside three sixty cork or something

605
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: that at least get some you know, thought about what

606
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 1: you're doing. I mean, I know they're using air bags,

607
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: and like nowadays you got like fifteen year olds going

608
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: to Woodard Park City to train on during the summer, right,

609
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: they're just like hitting the air bags on their snowboards

610
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: or skis, and so they're just they're really doing the

611
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: same type of tactical training. They're just constantly training through

612
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: the summertime hitting the airbags. So when they go up,

613
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: but bro, it all comes down to landing. I don't

614
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 1: care air bag's not on the resort, you know what

615
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: I mean.

616
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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, so interesting on the on the mountain side.

617
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Speaker 4: When I first started, it was just at the beginning

618
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 4: of the YouTube praise and Instagram praize and tiknok wasn't

619
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: around then, and so at that time there were competitions.

620
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: There still are free ride you know, free Ski World Tour,

621
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Speaker 4: Free Ride World Tour, and I know that I think

622
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 4: Rice is starting.

623
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: To doing a natural selection.

624
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but that's my athletess.

625
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 4: We had a team actually and they were into that,

626
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: and that was a way to sponsorship. You do get

627
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 4: in the competitions and then you would get sponsored. But

628
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 4: pretty soon the YouTube team came along, people started doing

629
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 4: their own clips, and then there was the personality side

630
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 4: that kind of went with being sponsored too.

631
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: So you could have a certain personality not be race.

632
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 4: Gear and and or a snowboarder and still get sponsored

633
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: and uh and so what we found in my work

634
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 4: was there was a movement away from training for the

635
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 4: feastkey competitions this other path and and as part of that,

636
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 4: a lot of the athletes really got away from you know,

637
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 4: being professional out their fitness, which is kind of shame.

638
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 4: I mean, they could get edit their own YouTube batus, right,

639
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: you know they only show that They only show the jump,

640
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: they don't show the landing.

641
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: No. And it's funny that you say that, because like

642
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 1: there's kind of this like in the in the indust

643
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: in the community, the culture of snowboarding. They're like, you

644
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: know what happened to like the videos, you know where

645
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 1: it was like the writers and the team writers all

646
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: have these clips montag together maybe even in a twenty

647
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: minute video. Right, cool, we still call it a snowboard movie, right,

648
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 1: We're like, yeah, you know, all right, there's skating there,

649
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: there's snowboarding. A rail at the church parking lot. You

650
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 1: know in the video. But now we're we all have

651
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: a cell phone, right, we all have a production company

652
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 1: in our pocket, and these guys are like, hey, hold

653
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: this while I do this, And then everybody's kind of

654
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: just uploading right to Instagram. I'm guilty. I have a

655
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: YouTube channel for snowboarding and it specifically focuses on that.

656
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: And but at the end of the day, that's what

657
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: I like, I love to do that I'm doing this

658
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: with you. I just think that a lot of the

659
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: athletes get away from a lot. I think it just

660
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: becomes just so like I need to put something up

661
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: right now. You know, there's no one's willing to wait

662
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: to put the movie together and then put it out,

663
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: have a little premiere, have all the snowboarders kind of

664
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Speaker 1: come in and watch it and give them that oh

665
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: we're on the screen. Bro, look at that big shot.

666
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: You know, it's just like right on our phone. Yeah.

667
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, this is so interesting to see that the

668
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 3: kind of culture grow up.

669
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Speaker 4: One of the things I get a lot of times

670
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 4: is from I mean, the in the mountain culture, the

671
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 4: mountain sports culture. There was one group of athletes who's

672
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 4: really came to the came to the gym with a

673
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 4: two groups.

674
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,479
Speaker 3: He came to the gym with a professional attitude about fitness.

675
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: The first one was the Olympic ski racers and and

676
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 4: the people who did you know, the Olympic type racing.

677
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 4: And I think the reason for that is because the

678
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 4: selection for those racers is is very selective. You know,

679
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 4: you got to do via competition. You have to prove

680
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 4: it consistently. And on the free sky side it was

681
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: totally different. You know, the competitions were a little more

682
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 4: free wheeling and this, you know the h and you

683
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 4: can just jump into competition to do it. You didn't

684
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 4: have to come up through all the ranks to do it. Anyways,

685
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 4: that the Olympic skiers they you know, had their coaches,

686
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 4: they came to it, they trained hard, real profession about

687
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: their fitness.

688
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: The other side were the really high level rock.

689
00:31:54,400 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 4: Climbers who uh they needed to train you know, rock

690
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 4: climbing specific fitness primarily finger strength to excel what I

691
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 4: found And it's the same in all technical sports, especially

692
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: in mountain sports.

693
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 3: Rock climb is a good example.

694
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 4: When you first start, you know it can be you know, man,

695
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 4: it'll be really you know, stronger strength. You know this

696
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 4: is his grip strength, and this is his technique, and

697
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: so it can pretty much, you know, just pull up

698
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 4: his way up there, right. But as you get better,

699
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, your your technique and your strength

700
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 4: start going like this. And at that level, you know,

701
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: at the high No. Five, twelve, five thirteen levels are

702
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 4: just bouncing back and forth like that. And so that

703
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: what we kind of learned. We'd always get. I'd always

704
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 4: give this question, is, you know, why do I just

705
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: snowboard to be better at snowboarding? And the reason that

706
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: I answered, and what I found was that it's really

707
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 4: inefficient to train fitness on the mountain, and it's really

708
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: inefficient to train technique in the gym.

709
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: So what I mean by that is.

710
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 4: If you get to the beginning snow like you said,

711
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 4: your season just started and I don't know what your

712
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: snowboard laser right now, but chances are they aren't that good.

713
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: So I have though let's say someone else hasn't. Sure.

714
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, So the so you know, the first part, the

715
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 4: first you know, maybe two three weeks your season are

716
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 4: going to be getting your legs back underneath you. If

717
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 4: you're pros you know, And what that means is that

718
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: first two or three weeks, it's time that you're not

719
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 4: working on technique. And at the upper levels, it's not

720
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 4: fitness that separates, it's the technique and so that's time

721
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 4: the technique training that's lost. So if you're able to

722
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: get to the season fit, then again it's any fishing

723
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: to train technique on the mountain, right, You don't want

724
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 4: to just be laps up and down the mountain to

725
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 4: train your legs, is mt. It better to get to

726
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: the mountain fit and then to get your mountain time

727
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 4: training your technique, your carves and all the technique that

728
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 4: goes into it. Because if you haven't been snowboarding for

729
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 4: six months, right, your your technique is going to be rusty.

730
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 4: Got to you got to get you know, you got

731
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: to get your technique back up to speed.

732
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 3: So and that's the same same two for all these

733
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 3: different sports.

734
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: See and I work on my core consistently. So like

735
00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: today I went to the gym right before we got

736
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: on the podcast, and today was what do we do planks?

737
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: Burpies six up, six down? So six five, four three

738
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: two one, So you would do six purpies, I would

739
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: hold a plank, I would do six purpies, you would

740
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: hold a plank, I would do five burpies. You still

741
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: hold a plank. You do five. So it's like you go,

742
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: I go. So I just did that this morning, like consistently,

743
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: and I've been doing that, like I said earlier, like

744
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 1: probably almost every day in preparation for snowboarding. Every time

745
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 1: the coach is like, all right, everybody, we're getting ready

746
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: for the summer. And I just look at him. He's like,

747
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: except for you. Read you're getting ready for like today

748
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: because I look out the window and I tell him, hey, coach,

749
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: it's my summer out there. Look and it's like snowing

750
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: yesterday coming down. He's like, oh yeah, dude. And when

751
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: I'm in the gym and we're doing we have to

752
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: hold squats, okay, like a low squat. We got to

753
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: hold it for thirty seconds. I kind of put it

754
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: in the snowboard position. I kind of lean to myself,

755
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: just kind of like bearing the weight and just kind

756
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: of move like I'm moving left or right with my

757
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: and I like looking at my calves in the mirror.

758
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: I like focusing on my legs and on my quad

759
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: to make sure that you know, there's they got some

760
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: tone to them. I like that, So yeah, I definitely

761
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 1: really love talking about it too. And this is great,

762
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, it just brings out a better thing in me.

763
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: We have a there's like two two primary fitness demands

764
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 4: for lift assistant skiing.

765
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: The first one is eccentric leg strength. So as you

766
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: go down the mountain, gravity is trying to push.

767
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 4: You into the hill, right, so you've got to control

768
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 4: that deceleration and then pop out of it.

769
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: But they pop out of it is a.

770
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 4: Lot less because you get gravity to help you then, right,

771
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 4: but that that.

772
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: Pushed down your your legs are contracting strength. And so

773
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: we developed.

774
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:46,280
Speaker 4: Our dryeland training for some orders and skiers have specific

775
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: focused eccentric strength training. The other the other things what

776
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 4: I call it leg lactate tolerance, but that's just you know,

777
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 4: your quads get full of black take and uh as,

778
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: the ability to push longer before you have to stop,

779
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: and then to recover faster when you do stop. And

780
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: we developed over the years, we developed this just unique exercise.

781
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 4: It's called a touch jump touch the box and so

782
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,959
Speaker 4: you actually you start with a like a sixteen foot

783
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 4: box or bench. You start on the side of it,

784
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 4: touch your inside hand jump up laterly to the box,

785
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 4: jump back down, touch your inside hand. You you don't

786
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 4: have to stand up at the top of box, just

787
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 4: go back and forth as fast as you can. And

788
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 4: we do that intervals of that. That's one of the

789
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 4: most intense.

790
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: And that's a sixteen inch box, right, not sixteen foot yeah.

791
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, just inch box.

792
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you'll find you have to come into the

793
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 4: inside and it just blows.

794
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: Your quads up and gets your hearts going.

795
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 4: And yeah, if you look at our one of the

796
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 4: one of the things about programming is just like all

797
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 4: are You're an artist, right you you try to everything

798
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: starts complicated and sophisticated design we say as immature. It

799
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: gets more mature as you start cutting stuff away and

800
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 4: getting a better and better and better. And so that's

801
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: been my work as I get better and better, programming

802
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 4: more experiences, just cutting the stuff away to get down

803
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 4: to the essential. And so our dry land programming is

804
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: dominated by those two exercises.

805
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: I love that.

806
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 3: I love that the same thing.

807
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: So I'm really stoked to get on the mountain. I

808
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: feel like I've really been training okay hard since the

809
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: last season. Since May, I have been in the gym NonStop.

810
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: The only time I wasn't in the gym consistently was

811
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: when I was in Astoria on this family vacation for

812
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: like four days in Northern Cali, and then we drove

813
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: all the way up to Oregon and I brought my

814
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: jump rope and I brought it on the plane. We

815
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: rented a car, but I brought my jump robout and

816
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: I started jump rope in a Northern Cali at this

817
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: house we were at and all the kids that were

818
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: at the family park at the family get together were like, oh, uncle, Eric,

819
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: can we jump rope with you? And I was like yeah,

820
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: So I handed my jump rope and I'm watching them

821
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: trying to like do like kid jump rope and just

822
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: having a fun time. But it's contagious, right They see

823
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: me doing it and they're laughing, and then they take

824
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: the rope and then they're kind of struggling, and I'm like, Okay,

825
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: well now who's laughing?

826
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 4: You know.

827
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: So do you get any downhill mountain biking?

828
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: You know, I haven't done any mountain bike in I

829
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: have not.

830
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I just hear that from you know,

831
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 4: some of my free skiers that downhill mountain bike in

832
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: just in terms of reaction time, did they see a

833
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 4: transfer to skiing?

834
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: Just kind of interesting.

835
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: So I skateboard still even though I'm a little older.

836
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm forty seven, so I still have the

837
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: ability to skate Is that is that crazy? Because when

838
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: I was looking at forty seven year olds, I didn't

839
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: think they would ever be able to skateboard. Dude, I

840
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: was like, you're like an old man, bro. But uh,

841
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: I'm still like saying, Bro, Bro.

842
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,760
Speaker 3: Did you still do the do you do the surf skate?

843
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah I can? Uh yeah, So I actually like

844
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: skateboard eight point twenty five deck independent trucks, you know,

845
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,439
Speaker 1: German bearings, typical, you know, ramps tracking. But yeah, I'm

846
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: just kind of like basic skateboard, you know, like that

847
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: you would see someone riding at the park. And then

848
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: there's longboarding. And I really had a close call to

849
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 1: death because I thought, oh, I can skateboard, so let

850
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: me set this, let me set the picture for you. Can.

851
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: I mean California. I'm in Hollywood, I'm an actor. I'm

852
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: going out to auditions. I'm hanging out into paying a

853
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: canyon with a friend of mine who's been in like

854
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: the Sam Ziggy says, we gotta go. What's that show

855
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: called Sliders or something like that, Quantum Leap. So buddy

856
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: of mine was in this TV show called Quantum Leap

857
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: and he was like a younger guy in that show.

858
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: So he's like, hey, hey, it looks like you, uh

859
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: you skate right. I'm like, yeah, bro, And he's got

860
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: a skate ramp out of his house and everything, and

861
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's like, when you come back tomorrow, we're

862
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: going to longboard the canyon. Cool. And I'm like, yeah, dude,

863
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: totally fucking cool. Bro, Like totally cool, dude. Let's go, right.

864
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: I ski, I mean, I snowboard, I skateboard. I'm not

865
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: a scale. I'm not I'm not scared. But there's a

866
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: difference between a skateboard that I can tick tack and

867
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 1: a longboard that just gets going straight like an arrow.

868
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: And it's then all of a sudden, so here I am.

869
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: It's the next day, and yes, I wore my skate shoes.

870
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: He's like, looks like, you wore your skate shoes, bro,

871
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah I did. He's like, I'm

872
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: just greasing up your wheels, like getting there, you go right,

873
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,479
Speaker 1: and my wife's there and some friends were at this house,

874
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: and he's who he is, you know, and I'm cool

875
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: with it, and I'm like yeah. And he's like, hey,

876
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a chase car follow us, right, and

877
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, cool. So everybody piles into the chase car.

878
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: Me and him, I think one other dude were riding.

879
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: He's like, just remember this, every curve that goes down,

880
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: there's gonna be an ups so it'll slow us down,

881
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: all right. So if you feel like you're going too

882
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: fast around the corner, just keep going down and you'll

883
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: see that there's an uphill. And I was like, all right, okay,

884
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: that's gonna slow me down, bro. So here I'm going.

885
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, I'm kind of surfing it. I'm

886
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: riding it like you were saying, how you surfing it?

887
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: And I was. And then all of a sudden, I

888
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 1: started going straighter and straighter, and my board wasn't turning anymore,

889
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: and now I'm just going straight and so now I've

890
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,240
Speaker 1: just got speed and I'm just like I'm doing probably

891
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: like thirty five miles an hour, no gear, no helmet,

892
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: no handguards, no nothing. And I'm like okay, he told me.

893
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: And I'm going super fast right now, and I see

894
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: a three hundred foot like drop down to Sean Penn's

895
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: house where he was living in a trailer down the mountain.

896
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: And then I have a hill next to me. So

897
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: I'm on this tiny road and I'm like, okay, he says,

898
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,240
Speaker 1: if it goes down, it's gonna go back up. Okay,

899
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: goes down, it's gonna go back up. And I'm like,

900
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: oh shit, it just keeps going down, dude. So I

901
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: go around this corner and the chase vehicles behind me

902
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: cause I'm going so fast. And then all they know

903
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,360
Speaker 1: is they come around the corner and I'm walking up

904
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: to them with the skateboard. At that moment, what they

905
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: didn't see and what I cleverly disguised was me eating

906
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: shit super hard. And I went face first, and I

907
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: had to decide do I go off the side of

908
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: the mountain pish, or do I go into the mountain

909
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: and at least they can recover me. So I'm like,

910
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, I'm gonna put my

911
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: foot down, try to slow down. Immediately put my foot down,

912
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: it starts to skid, speed, wobble, boom. I hit it

913
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: with my elbow right here. First he rose style into

914
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: the mountain. I get up and like all of the

915
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: flesh off, my elbow is hanging and I get to

916
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: the vehicle and they're like, are you okay? I was like, yeah,

917
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: check it out. Look and it's just like gnarly. My

918
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: bax got gravel in it. And so my wife at

919
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: the time was my girlfriend. We go back to the

920
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: apartment we're staying at and I'm jacked up. Bro. I'm like,

921
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, Aaron, you're so jacked up from this.

922
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm jacked up, and she's like, getting the shower.

923
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,479
Speaker 1: So I stripped down getting the shower, literally picking rocks

924
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: out of my back, hitting the bathtub. It's like like, oh,

925
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: I'm jacked up, dude. I want my mom. So we

926
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: go to the local CVS pharmacy. I get some like

927
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: medical rap and I just wrap up myself without going

928
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 1: to er. And now there's a big old scar here.

929
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: You can't see it on camera, but I had to

930
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: say the story because you said, are you longboarding? And

931
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: I'm probably not gonna longboard again. I was telling you know,

932
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:42,439
Speaker 1: I was about twenty five.

933
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: You know, I read a book a few years ago.

934
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 5: I forget what the name of it is, I how

935
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 5: to find it, but it talked about the advancement and

936
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 5: skill level of extreme athletes, and you know, he used

937
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 5: Lard Hamilton for some of the big sure surfing and

938
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 5: and uh, I think it had the some of the

939
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 5: guys that do the you know, the wingsuit stuff and

940
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 5: the free skiers. There was this, uh, this has been

941
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago, but there was a there

942
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 5: was a video of I think, uh, I forget his

943
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 5: first name, David Shawan Combs or something like that, a famous.

944
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 4: Uh, Jackson's free skier, one of the originals who kind

945
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 4: of started at skiing.

946
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:29,240
Speaker 3: This run in Alaska.

947
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 4: Valdis and the guys in Jackson are the ones that

948
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 4: kind of first discovered Valdis for backcountry skiing.

949
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 3: I guess the snow in Valdis is howery, but it

950
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: kind of sticks. Is not a big as much.

951
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: Avalanche teacher Ohella skiing is up there and he's you know,

952
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 4: taking many turns down and then they showed one of

953
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 4: the current guys doing it and the guy he took

954
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 4: like two turns going down all the time. And and

955
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 4: this and this author kind of described Another thing he

956
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 4: took out was a free divers. You know, the guys

957
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 4: you hold their breath and go down three feet or

958
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 4: whatever even I don't know, you know, come up and

959
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 4: uh and he just uh, he just did some comparison

960
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 4: of the advances and those skills and those sports compared

961
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: to you.

962
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,960
Speaker 3: Know, track athletes and stuff and that, and that gave me.

963
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 4: I always appreciated my athletes because I thought what they

964
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 4: did was amazing, you know, the free skiers who I

965
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 4: worked with, and the skiers and and of course, but

966
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 4: I never got an idea of how how incredible that

967
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 4: stuff is and how much those sports have advanced.

968
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 3: Just in this first time.

969
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 4: It just reminds me of what you're talking about now,

970
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 4: you know, I just I just did this. Talked about

971
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 4: an article or Astoria a few weeks ago about a

972
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 4: whole new type of skiing snowboard movie that is urban.

973
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the whole things in an urban like you

974
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 3: talked about, you know, going a snowboard on it on

975
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 3: a church trail. Like, the whole thing is urban, right,

976
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: I got it.

977
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 4: You know these guys are and you know the parkour

978
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 4: thing with those guys doing that stuff.

979
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 3: And you know, I see these these videos, these guys

980
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 3: you know, doing these.

981
00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 4: Jumps, you know, dives into water, just incredible, incredible. I mean,

982
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 4: there's just been something and I think you can look

983
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 4: at that stuff, you know, being the old guy like

984
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 4: I am, you know, just thank you, you know, but god,

985
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: I mean you realize the athletic ability and the danger.

986
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 4: I guess you don't see him breaking stuff, but I mean,

987
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 4: if they're making the video, they've come a long way.

988
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 4: But it's just it's just amazing, you know. The parkerself

989
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 4: is just amazing. What they can do is amazing.

990
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: They're going more fearless. It's like you know, they're able

991
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: and and they're taking there. Like if you're a gymnast

992
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: and you put some skis on or a snowboarder, you're

993
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: probably gonna if you're smaller. See, I'm six foot five, okay,

994
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: and I went and I wait two seventy five and

995
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: that's working out, bro Like trying to keep it off right,

996
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't want it, kay, I don't want

997
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: the beads. I don't need it. Kay, I don't want it.

998
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: It's all around me and I'm dodging it. Okay's over there,

999
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: diabe's over there, diabetes over there. Okay, that's literally how

1000
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking at it. Bro By stay active and these

1001
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 1: young younger dudes and gals that can just say, you know,

1002
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't ride resorts, I just ride street and I

1003
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: know I follow some of them on Instagram. And this

1004
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: one gal, she's just hardcore. She just doesn't go to

1005
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: the resort, but she's a snowboarder. And what she does

1006
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: is they just take their shovels and a couple crew

1007
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: and they go build up the hits and they pull

1008
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: themselves either with a car or with themselves or some

1009
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: kind of like power generator that they've got that can

1010
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: pull them and like give them enough speech to just

1011
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: get up and hit the rail and you know, make

1012
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: these videos. Bro the street core kids. And I grew

1013
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 1: up with those kids in high school, Like they had

1014
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 1: a VHS. They were like snowboards yeah, oh yeah yeah, JP,

1015
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: J P. Walker, Jeremy Jones, these guys here in Utah,

1016
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: they're kind of like popular, uh snowboarders. First of all. Second,

1017
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: they're the ones that brought street riding to the scene

1018
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: because JP would always just go and do the local

1019
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: church in Farmington or he'd go do the gap up

1020
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: the road, you know, and all that kind of stuff.

1021
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: And they had cam quarters where most people didn't have them,

1022
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: so they were able to start capturing that kind of

1023
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, Mac, do.

1024
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 4: Anybody It seemed like Travis Rice's you know, natural selection

1025
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 4: tours kind of bringing those two together, right, because he

1026
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 4: has artificial.

1027
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 3: Obstacles, I don't know what you'd call him features in.

1028
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: And no one touches the sales. Yeah, he pre builds

1029
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: it all right, it's all He's got it all set

1030
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: up on the mountain and then they drop and that's

1031
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,479
Speaker 1: the first run and no one's touched it, no one's

1032
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: pre rode it before. It's like straight fresh powder. You

1033
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: got Mark mc morris, Victor de LaRue. You know, all

1034
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: these hard chargers, the gal from Australia, she's like twenty

1035
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: four now, Alyssa or anyways, sorry if I forget your names.

1036
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: You're all hardcore. I look up to all those snowboarders

1037
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: that just go big, you know, because.

1038
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 3: I saw this just in the fisky uh stuff, and

1039
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 3: I was I was doing it.

1040
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 4: You know that the winners of first you know, the

1041
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: women who would win, would you know you have to

1042
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 4: do some drop, some cliff job. And you know, by

1043
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: that time, men were doing backflips and spins, right, you

1044
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 4: know on that Natural Features and now and now I

1045
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 4: haven't watched it, but I'm for sure to women to

1046
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 4: be competitive, you're needing to be doing some type of

1047
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 4: backflip or spin and.

1048
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: Oh it's happening one hundred percent. Yeah, go watch Natural Selection.

1049
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: If anybody is interested in what we're talking about, go

1050
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: watch either the first, second, third, or the fifth iteration

1051
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 1: of Natural Selection with Travis Rice and you'll see they're

1052
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: doing all the big hits.

1053
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 4: It's so interesting to see that and then like, I know, realize,

1054
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 4: did you do too?

1055
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 3: How fucking dangerous that is? Bro, How dangerous it is.

1056
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: No airbags, That's what I'm saying. There's no airbags. You know,

1057
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: it's either you're smashing your face on your knees if

1058
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: you're coming down too hard, and it's not where I mean.

1059
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: And what a lot of folks don't realize with these

1060
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: extreme athletes in skiing snowboarding is they're wearing a mouthguard.

1061
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: You know, they're training with that in there. And if

1062
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: you've ever tried to box with the mouthguard or breathe

1063
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: of a mouth guard. It's difficult, it's very you want

1064
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 1: to take it out, you want to spit it out,

1065
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: let alone. Okay, my brain says that my neurons can

1066
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: fire my kneecaps, to do my feet, to take my

1067
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 1: toes to three sixty, let's go. And you got a

1068
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: mouthguard in your mouth while you're trying to breathe, you know,

1069
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: So you got to train yourself and and then you're

1070
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:10,399
Speaker 1: at altitude and you gotta breathe with a mouthguard at altitude.

1071
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: And I hope that makes sense because it's true I feel.

1072
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 3: But I mean that just the whole thing.

1073
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 4: I mean, the even even before that, they would I

1074
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 4: mean I went to watch one of these competitions. It

1075
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: was in Crystal Crystal is uh Scaria east of Seattle,

1076
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 4: Crystal Butt or something like that. Anyway, it was frigging

1077
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 4: cold and windy at top, yeah.

1078
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 3: And up there for the competitors. But they'd have to step.

1079
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 4: Out of that tent, you know, come squat and ski

1080
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 4: down this deathifying stuff that if there was serious jeopard

1081
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 4: if they feel and of course it's the same like

1082
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 4: it is on the guys.

1083
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: You get dropped off the helicopters for skiing.

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00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 1: Corbett isn't Corbett Jackson hole, Corbett's Corbett. Yeah, bro, I

1085
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: mean go watch that. Go watch these athletes, dude, and

1086
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: there's like a there's a guy in a bucket chair.

1087
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: He's like, you know, uh, you know, is adaptable or

1088
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: adaptability whatnot? Disabled?

1089
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:06,879
Speaker 3: I saw him do it right?

1090
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah I did. And then the dude

1091
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,399
Speaker 1: that was on the snowboard that just went off, hit

1092
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: the cliff, rode the cliff and then landed inside of

1093
00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:19,359
Speaker 1: the channel of Corbett. How the mind right? The mind? Wow?

1094
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: The body? And and and you being mountain tactical institute,

1095
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: who would you look for who would want to reach

1096
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: out to you and get your services? Who are you

1097
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: looking for? Who? Who would you say, hey, come to

1098
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 1: me if you're this guy or gal?

1099
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: Uh boy?

1100
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 4: You know uh, I think that neither the mountain or

1101
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 4: tactical side we are programming. The idea isn't based on

1102
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 4: the athlete. It's based on the demands of the event.

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00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 4: And so the events that we programmed for the sports

1104
00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 4: or of the jobs are.

1105
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: You know.

1106
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 4: One of the unique things about the athletes that we

1107
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 4: work with the program for is that they can get

1108
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 4: seriously injured or killed doing their job or sport, and

1109
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 4: the programming reflects the intensity in that straightness. So someone

1110
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 4: who either is or aspires to be professional about the fitness,

1111
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: you know, we're not it's not beach bodies.

1112
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 3: We're not training that. We're training for events.

1113
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 4: And and so that's that's the first thing. You don't

1114
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 4: and there's no prerequends to do that. That's just an attitude.

1115
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: You want to be professional about your fitness, and then yes,

1116
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,879
Speaker 4: then move forward with that. So and then that's that's

1117
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 4: the primary, the primary thing, and the programming that you know,

1118
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 4: we're not in the gimmicks, not.

1119
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: In the tricks.

1120
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 4: It's it's not designed to entertain you, trying to gets

1121
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: you fit for your job or or your event. And

1122
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 4: we do a really good job of that, I think.

1123
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 4: And so and you know, we work with all touches

1124
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 4: of different athletes. Still need to be a professional mountain

1125
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 4: athlete or a no A.

1126
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: Soldier, special Forces day.

1127
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 4: We work with all types of people, civilians, stuff, But

1128
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 4: everyone is serious about their fitness and want to professional

1129
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 4: where they want.

1130
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 3: You know, we we designed plans. We can get pretty

1131
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: arrow on our plans.

1132
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 4: We designed plans for example, to do the the rim

1133
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 4: to rim of the Grand Canyon specifically for that so

1134
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 4: and in along you know, along with the plan for

1135
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 4: dev gru and uh, you know and GAG and selections

1136
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 4: and stuff, we really get success with those. So those

1137
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 4: those types of athletes, I guess you're kind of interested

1138
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 4: in that and want that that level of programming.

1139
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you guys have a pretty cool, uh website here.

1140
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: Let me just pull it up real quick. I had

1141
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 1: it on my my phone and dark as we were talking.

1142
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,879
Speaker 1: But your mountain so you got mission first, Let's see

1143
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 1: where we at here, Mountain Tactical dot Com. It's empty

1144
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: and tactical dot com correct, yes, sure, yeah, right, And

1145
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: so if anybody is interested and you've enjoyed our conversation

1146
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: and what Rob and I have been talking about, you

1147
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: can go check out MTN, which is Mountain Tactical dot

1148
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: Com and just really it's just really easy, just hit

1149
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,439
Speaker 1: the three lines that we're all used to seeing. You've

1150
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: got you know, athlete subscription, daily programming, fitness plans, mountain military,

1151
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: law enforcement, fire rescue, general nutrition coaching, you've got resources,

1152
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, quiet professional essays. Kind of intrigued me. Just

1153
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: growing up in a my dad's culture of quiet professionals,

1154
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: I kind of pick up on what you're doing there,

1155
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: you know, so I would recommend your passion. You're passionate

1156
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: about it, and that's what I love. So my coach

1157
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 1: tells me this, you know why you're here. I don't

1158
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,399
Speaker 1: make you come here. You choose to be here. These

1159
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: are the things that we're doing. So you know why

1160
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,840
Speaker 1: you're here. And I'm like, yeah, I'm here because today

1161
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: is the day I didn't know I needed my ass kick,

1162
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:55,399
Speaker 1: but I needed my ass kicked. That was today. I'm

1163
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: just saying, so very yeah.

1164
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a that's an interesting thing. I mean,

1165
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 4: we kind of track a certain type athlete and we

1166
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,360
Speaker 4: don't mess around, but respecting and hope and the certainly

1167
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:13,240
Speaker 4: investment athletes.

1168
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I bet if you give, if they give you,

1169
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 1: they're all. You give them your all, and it's uh,

1170
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, let's get this, let's get let's accomplish.

1171
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: And you want to be a part of a winning team.

1172
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: If they're a professional athlete and they're coming to you

1173
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: and they wind up winning, you're like, hey, all right,

1174
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: you know I had a little bit of of something

1175
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: to do with that, you know, uh, and I think

1176
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: that's really cool and and you know, I know, I've

1177
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: had you on here for like an hour and we've

1178
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: been talking and we've been going back and forth about

1179
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: all sorts of extreme activities. But it's that easy to

1180
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: talk to you about it.

1181
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, well yeah, it's kind of yeah. These uh the

1182
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 4: need to be uh excited about the athletes to work with. Sure,

1183
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 4: I mean pretty privileged to work with the Cup athletes.

1184
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: Now. Now, when somebody does sign up and become you know,

1185
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: a member of or however they you call it at

1186
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: your at your organization at mt I, is that something

1187
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: that they do on their own or is there I

1188
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: find it to be a little bit more helpful to

1189
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: have a guy in my face saying, hey, rad you

1190
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: need to pivot this way, or hey do this is it?

1191
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: Do they come to Wyoming? Do they stay in Seattle?

1192
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: How does the program kind of work if somebody does

1193
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: want to reach out?

1194
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we uh, we we help people get starting,

1195
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 4: but most people train on their own. So yeah, we

1196
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 4: we have worked with individual athletes, have traveled to military

1197
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 4: mini military basis to teach programming courses over the years,

1198
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 4: and uh, you know, and so.

1199
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Speaker 3: If you came for example, and I got an email.

1200
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 4: This week from a guy who's in the Border Patrol

1201
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 4: wants to go to bor Star selection in the year

1202
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 4: right and asked and asked for you know, what, what

1203
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 4: plans do I need to do to prepare me for

1204
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 4: that selection. We have a we have a plan just

1205
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 4: for that selection. He has a year, he doesn't, you know.

1206
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 4: The plan is I think eight weeks long, designed to

1207
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 4: be completed directly with you for selection. He has a

1208
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 4: year between now and then, so we can help, you know,

1209
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 4: prescribe him programming to be able to get prepared to

1210
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 4: train that plan and maybe you know, get that plan

1211
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 4: right before he goes to selection. And so that's the

1212
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 4: same for all the different athletes. I've had the same

1213
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 4: type of questions for people who are you know, climbing

1214
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 4: to Naley or you know, doing a high level ski

1215
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: mountaineering trip in Alaska all types of different activities, or

1216
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,280
Speaker 4: you know, we're just doing a backpacking trip in the summer.

1217
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 3: They just want to be ready.

1218
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: To you know, it's right.

1219
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 4: About ten miles a day in the summer and get

1220
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 4: ready for it. So yeah, we certainly help with with

1221
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. But the programming self isn't complicated.

1222
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 4: And people ask me about motivation.

1223
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: I'm not. I'm not. I don't.

1224
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 4: I don't try to adult as grow an adults. I'm

1225
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 4: not a parent to you grown adult.

1226
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 3: You know.

1227
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 4: The programming is I mean, I can't do the work

1228
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 4: for you, right, I can't do it for you, right,

1229
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 4: And I'm not, you know, And so I think, come

1230
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 4: to come. A lot of people graduate to MTI from

1231
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 4: CrossFit and other stuff. They've kind of you know, gone

1232
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 4: through that stuff, and now they're ready to work with programming.

1233
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 4: It's a little more planned and programmed out and trained

1234
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 4: for specifics, and also.

1235
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,960
Speaker 3: They're ready to you know, take that responsibility and professional.

1236
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I show up to the gym with purpose, you know.

1237
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: I know, I'm I'm not going to be pro boxer,

1238
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 1: but in my mind, I'm like, you know, I want

1239
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: to be the best I can be at whatever age

1240
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm at right now.

1241
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 3: So I hate to be your partner six five.

1242
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: To Yeah, it's all good, baby, it's all good. Let's go,

1243
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: let's go, let's go.

1244
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 3: So it reminds me of story there.

1245
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 4: You know, I went to one of the first CrossFit

1246
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 4: sort of cases way back when, and I had this

1247
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 4: guy train with me. This is before I started my gym.

1248
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 4: I was in the gym and he's an oil fil wilder.

1249
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 4: His name was Curtis p And uh, Curtis was even

1250
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 4: as big as you. But he's a pretty big guy.

1251
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 4: And you know, we beat training and and then uh,

1252
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 4: at that time Glass and CrossFit, he had the coach

1253
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 4: for Chuck Ladale or remember Chuck Ladale, you know the

1254
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 4: guy from Ohawk. I was gonna teach you know, a

1255
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 4: CrossFit for m M A guys and uh and Santa

1256
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 4: Cruz and went.

1257
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: I said, let's go to this thing.

1258
00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 4: And so we went and uh, there are some other

1259
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 4: guys there, but uh, CrossFit at that time they had

1260
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 4: this guy named Tony and Tony's like their marketing guy.

1261
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 3: And Tony was like this big guy and we had

1262
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,040
Speaker 3: to be like this clinch work.

1263
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: Christy got back to the.

1264
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 3: Hotel room was like, oh dude, I'm still storre. Tony

1265
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 3: just thrown me around like it was so funny.

1266
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: Man.

1267
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 3: And I saw that coach. I'd never I've never been

1268
00:58:58,840 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 3: in the UFC match.

1269
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 4: And there was a guy that like one of the

1270
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 4: first monsters for CrossFit at that time, CrossFit had like these,

1271
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 4: you know, some of the athletes, like one was named

1272
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 4: Annie and one of his name cam Girl. And this

1273
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,840
Speaker 4: guy Almondson, this guy Orbinson, he was like a cop

1274
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: and he was like this big monster. I know him

1275
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 4: ball guy, and anybody got first they recognize this guy's name.

1276
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: And he was just holding up a pad and Chuck

1277
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 3: o'dale's coach.

1278
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 4: I can't remember that guy, but he's a beast two

1279
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 4: and he hit this pad and he kicked it.

1280
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 3: I had never seen anything so freaking hard. I was like,

1281
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: oh my, I would have killed me. You see that right?

1282
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh I think, oh dude, I

1283
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: think I can throw a hook, and I probably can

1284
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: throw and my coach thinks I could throw a good hook.

1285
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 1: But I watched my coach and he's pro right, and

1286
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: he's like twenty nine okay, and he's and he throws it,

1287
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: and it's like all right, I want the bag to

1288
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 1: sound like pop. And I'm just like, so every time

1289
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,080
Speaker 1: I hit the bag, I figgle pop. I just say pop, dude,

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Speaker 1: I just say it so hopefully echoes the hit of

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Speaker 1: the bag. But Bro's got just a different type of torque.

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Speaker 1: To his hips. You know, here's just something.

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Speaker 4: Hit this guy and he's probably two hundred twenty five pounds,

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Speaker 4: and I like, jump back ten yards.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, that's three yards. I was like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you. The one thing boxing taught me is

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Speaker 1: I'm going to become a runner, whether I like it

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Speaker 1: or not. And so I do so much cardio running

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Speaker 1: at the gym that I hated it. But now I'm like, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm way better at it. I still hate it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, I'm doing way more laps. Like now

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Speaker 1: my side crunches are no longer like I don't have

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Speaker 1: to use the floor so much to help me on

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Speaker 1: my side crunches. Now I'm using like my core to

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Speaker 1: get my side crunches. You know what I'm talking about, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's like I can see these improvements in me

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Speaker 1: in the last year and a half of just taking

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Speaker 1: this seriously at my own gym, and I can imagine

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Speaker 1: someone coming to you and have it you just like say, hey,

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Speaker 1: here's what you have to go through. Here's your syllabus.

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Speaker 1: If you're serious about it, then you'll know that this

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Speaker 1: is a serious situation and you'll take it seriously.

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Speaker 3: They just just keep grinding.

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Speaker 1: Keep grinding. Broch shuh, Yep, that's it. That's it, dude.

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Speaker 1: You've been great and you're welcome back anytime on the

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Speaker 1: show if you got any health tips or you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about like summertime. You know, I know this

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Speaker 1: is gonna come out and it's gonna be kind of

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Speaker 1: winter time and this will you know, snowboarding, skiing, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: So anytime you want to come back on the show

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Speaker 1: and talk about Mountain Tactical Institute, you're more than welcome

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Speaker 1: to be on here. Coach Guardsman, I think that's so cool.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: Rand really appreciate talking to you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to my listener out there, and to the

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Speaker 1: viewer that's been watching this probably on YouTube like a

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Speaker 1: subscribe calm it down below. Hit your buttons, Rob Shawls

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Speaker 1: his name, Mountain Tactical Institute is his game and you

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Speaker 1: can find it emptyantactical dot com. And we'll have that

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Speaker 1: in link form in the description of the title of

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Speaker 1: this If you've clicked on it, you can probably find

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Speaker 1: it somewhere in the description of your website. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: we'll put that out.

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Speaker 6: There, Rob, Yeah, and on behalf of Rob and myself

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Speaker 6: and random Web who puts me in front of this

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Speaker 6: camera and says do this, rat, I believe in you.

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Speaker 1: And to Callum who's my producer in the background, and

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Speaker 1: to Chris and Amanda and everybody behind the scenes, Mark Martin,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much from all of us here at

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Speaker 1: soft rep and to you the listener. Please make sure

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Speaker 1: things to help us rise in the ranks, and keep

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Speaker 1: say thanks again to my guest and peace.

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