WEBVTT - Fire Drill 061: A Day to Reflect 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.800 Wellcome back to the Fire Drill. UM. On this episode, 0:00:08.000 --> 0:00:10.400 we talked about a bunch of great stuff. We talked 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.520 about the Netflix show and our thoughts on it, but 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:17.800 we also talked about our show The Grind UH presented 0:00:17.800 --> 0:00:19.919 by golf Tech. Thank you golf Tech for all your help. 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.919 UH and UH. It's the look behind the scenes of 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:27.320 the life of golfers that most of you have never 0:00:27.320 --> 0:00:29.320 heard of and what their life looks like, chasing the 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:31.760 dream of the l p g A UH and the 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.400 PGA Tour. It will be on our YouTube channel like 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.760 subscribe FIREPI Collective YouTube channel go there. Talked about Michelle 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:43.800 We I think very much unappreciated how great her young 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.919 career was. If Twitter was around then as prominent as 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:49.440 is now, it would have been insane. Fourteen years old, 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:52.040 Mr cut at the at a at a PGA Tour 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.000 event by one, but Alan had a great story about 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:58.840 her getting to the quarterfinal of the publics him flying 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:00.959 in on a red eye, so stay tuned for that. 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:05.160 We talked about some heavy stuff UM. We talked about 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.399 Ted Fujikawa, talked about the Sony um all of it 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.520 a great discussion. What makes the fire Drill the fire 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.880 drill real quickly about some of the other things that 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:18.120 are happening at fire Pick Collective. Michael Bamberger, who's on 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:22.120 this podcast, wrote a story about his golfing hero, Michael Murfey, 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:26.080 who was on uh ned a fourth another great podcast 0:01:26.400 --> 0:01:28.440 that the fire Pick Collective is doing. Check it out 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:32.640 also on our YouTube channel. Um but he wrote a 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:35.960 story about Mike Murphy and why he's his golfing hero, 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:40.760 and uh then we all added our golfing heroes. Everybody 0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.600 at fire Pit did a little uh, a little paragraph, 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:46.360 not a full story on our golfing hero. So it's 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:48.480 a cool little thing that we're doing in addition to 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:54.080 some big stories. Also, Imaginella broke the story about Kemper 0:01:54.160 --> 0:01:57.960 sports buying Seemstrong for a hundred and sixty millions. So 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.720 fire Pick Collective dot com. 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My producer, Jake, our producer, Jake would be 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.079 is going to be super happy about this one. He's 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:56.800 always on me about that. Uh So, go do that 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:58.480 so that I can stop saying it and Jake can 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:01.280 stop saying it to me without further ado, here's the 0:03:01.320 --> 0:03:09.760 three of us talking golf. My head can't get John 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:16.359 and nothing. What I'm thinking about can't get him down, 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:28.560 not think well I'm thinking about. Hello, this is Alan 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:32.440 Schipnuk back for another Fire Drill podcast as always with 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:37.680 Michael Bamberger and Ryan Frentz. Gentlemen, we completed the Hawaii 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.160 Swing and I know Ryan, you were devastated that Hayden 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:42.520 Buckley did not win. Tell us why that was so 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:47.280 disappointing to you and your people. Yeah, Hayden is one 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.680 of my favorite people in golf. A couple of reasons. 0:03:50.760 --> 0:03:53.560 One is just a down to earth. Great dude, Like 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.240 he's the guy that in his first year on tour 0:03:56.280 --> 0:03:58.720 made seven thousand dollars and still drives a ten year 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.640 old truck. Uh. His dad's a great dude. Him and 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.880 him and my him and his dad and I our 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.800 friends like email buddies. Bob is a great guy. Uh. 0:04:08.840 --> 0:04:12.720 A great little sidebar when he won his corn ferry 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:17.000 event and he was an alternate standing on the range 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.440 on Thursday, got in at the last moment. Then one 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.600 on Sunday I sent that. Sunday I sent Bob an 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.000 email and said, where are you watching it? How are 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.040 you getting your updates? Are you down there? And he said, 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:30.200 I can't watch it too nervous. I'm hunting. I'm hunting 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:35.760 beavers at my camp, which is great. And they're they're 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.280 so sweet and industrious. Who when they are invasive, they 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:43.400 are invasive and and uh he he followed the last 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:45.760 hole at a shell gas station out in the middle 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.920 of the thing. But just great people. The main thing 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:53.440 is Hayden has he gets tour players get a lot 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:56.680 of free stuff sent their way. Hayden doesn't have a 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:00.000 clothing sponsor, so a lot of clothing companies send him 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:02.320 free clothes all the time, and he sends it directly 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:05.800 to me for our my foundation that I sent to 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.559 high school teams in need um. In fact, one kid, uh, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:13.000 I just sent a bunch of two and last night 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.560 him and I were texting and he was watching the 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.800 uh you know, events unfold, and I mean, it's very cool. 0:05:20.080 --> 0:05:23.120 This kid has gone from not having much to wearing 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.760 clothes of an almost PGA Tour winner. And uh so 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.359 Peyton is one of my favorite people in the world. 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:32.640 Uh and so rooting hard for him, Well that's nice. 0:05:32.680 --> 0:05:36.880 I like all that, um. Uh. And yet our champion 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:39.440 was Cebu Kim, who might be one of the most 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:42.320 underrated players in golf. I mean, his name is never 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:46.760 mentioned as as a you know, really a world class 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.520 threat because he hasn't made much noise in them in 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:51.799 the major championships, although he could win the fifth major 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:56.000 the players but age seven, I mean, one of my 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:59.960 favorite swings in golf. He's he's a little volatile out 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:03.599 there at times. I mean, he's got a temper and 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:06.279 all that, but I like to watch him play, and 0:06:06.320 --> 0:06:08.679 it was it was an impressive wins his fourth career 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.400 PG Tour wind. I was actually looking up. He's over 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.680 three lifetime in in playoffs on the tour. I mean 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.280 he could all have almost double the wins if he 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.880 had a better luck in the playoffs. So he's he's 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:21.320 putting together a pretty nice resume. What do you guys 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.599 have any thoughts about see woo. One loved the shirt 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.359 and got a lot of hell on it, but I 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:31.040 liked it. Uh, It's like he just disappeared. He disappears 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:36.160 for times and then like appears with great play. Um 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:39.039 it is a very underrated. Like I kind of knew 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:40.680 he had four wins. I knew he had one here 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.599 and there, but like definitely an underrated four wins. Like 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:49.039 people just don't talk about him. Uh and uh he 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:51.880 seems to have gotten way more animated, like he was 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.200 pumping up crowds last night and those kind of things. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.280 A side note, his uh Kenny is Manny Hill j 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.400 gez come me Camille's brother who in one of our 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.120 candy trips. Uh, my dad and I took Manny was 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:09.240 in a group with my dad Michael will know. This 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:14.000 is the Mitch Tasker group, the the Australian and my 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:15.880 dad came off. It was like I have never heard 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:19.640 anyone swear as much as Manny. Bill Jake is good swear. 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.600 It's like a world class. And even when my dad, 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.320 as my dad kind of went down the dementia trails, 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.560 some things he would remember and how much Manny swore, 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:30.920 and it made me think about it as they kind 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:36.720 of hot Mike uh see woo and Manny t yesterday 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:39.400 and I was like, oh boy, this could get this 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:43.560 could get sideways luckily swing right. Is that something that 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:45.840 you've ever talked to about? I mean, it's so unconventional 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.040 to see a guy go out of the way he does. 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.080 It's obviously to me, it seems obviously it's he's a 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.200 self tug guy and does things his own way. I'm 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:57.040 sure that's part of the appeal for you. Do you 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.200 know anything about his move and where it comes from. 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:03.600 I don't. I don't know much, but I mean unconventional 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.000 for sure. How about the the guy teeing it up 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.680 as high as a driver on the eighteenth hole, uh 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.480 with a three wood? I mean that is full blown 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:15.560 stones and full blown confidence that you are not going 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:17.800 to pop that up a hundred and seventy yards down 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:22.880 the fairway. Yeah. Yeah, that was a little disconcerting, I agree, 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.920 and it was. It was interesting, you know, leaderboard, we 0:08:26.920 --> 0:08:30.680 had a Matt Coucher sighting, we had Aaron Baddeley frequent 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.840 Monday qualifier. Like I've always liked the Hawaiian Open because 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.880 it's sort of democratic tournament. A lot of guys don't 0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:41.120 make the trips, so for for many rookies or or 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.640 players who are a little down on the on their luck, like, 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.959 it's a it's a start. It's it's a very old 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.199 school golf course. It looks, it looks nice on TV, 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:52.880 but it's it's um. It's kind of shortish and it's 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:57.400 more about finesse and positioning and um it's and you 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.640 know now that they had a pretty good spill over 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.440 for um from Capitalua. I think half the Capitalua field 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.600 bound up making the trip over there, partly because you know, 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.040 like George Speed and guys like that have to play 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:12.319 three non elevated events as part of this new deal 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:14.840 and so um, you know, the field is a little 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.000 bit stronger at the top, but there was still some 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:21.079 charming stories they cleft upon the leaderboards. I'm a big fan. 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:24.640 It's I think it's always a fun tournament. I am too, 0:09:24.760 --> 0:09:27.719 and I'm always, I always every year I think this, 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.200 how SETH. Raynard got to Hawaii to design that golf 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.199 course is stunning to me. And then the fact that 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.080 the course is held up so well over the years 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.439 shows you that that that it can be done, and 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.120 you know it probably should be a part of sixty 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:43.440 eight and then you know even would be a great scorer. 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.319 But we still cling to this notional part five. But 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:49.520 if you forget that, it's it's no one ever runs 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:53.280 away with with a win there. And also it shows 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:56.520 you elevated, non elevated if you like golf, really doesn't matter. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.840 It was a terrific tournament to watch and different personalities, 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.640 totally different styles and it was you know, part of 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.439 you know, a short part five finish. And if you 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:07.640 don't drive and play like like Buckley didn't and me, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.400 things get really hairy very quickly. Yeah, there's a penalty 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.719 out there. I mean some of those fairway punkers have 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.839 like a steep face and that that rough is you know, 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.719 very wiry and unpredictable, and there's you can attack that 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.880 golf course, but you know there's there's a penalty for missing, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.520 which I enjoy and um you know, it's just funny 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:32.319 think about um Ioki winning there, like Michelle Wee and 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.880 Tada Fuji Kwa making runs there. I mean there's been 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:37.480 there's been some interesting history at that turnament more than 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.640 most and um, you know it seems like what Michelle 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.920 we nearly made a cut there, right, Yeah, a couple 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.199 of times, and I was, I was, I was there 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:50.360 twice and she, um, you know that was like peaque 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.960 Michelle we media when she was in early to mid 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:57.679 teens and before the injuries, and like it was the 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.599 electricity there was was unbelievable. And I was there the 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:03.760 year that Fujikawa made his run and you know he 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.960 was such a charming kid about five. He's like Muggsy 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.959 Bogues heights and just um all of it. So it's 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.440 a special place in my heart for that tournament. Where 0:11:13.480 --> 0:11:16.559 do you guys rank Michelle we missing the cut by 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.559 one on like accomplishments in women's I mean, it's it's 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:24.839 an unreal like it will never have enough credit for 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:29.120 how as a teenager. I mean again, the course is 0:11:29.160 --> 0:11:32.520 relatively short, but not for like a player that doesn't 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:35.400 hit it as far. I mean that accomplishment had she 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:39.360 made the cut would have been one of the greatest 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.120 accomplishments in women's golf, Right, Am I overstating it? No, 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.400 I don't think. I don't think you are in Her 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:52.679 swing was perfection. Uh uh, it never was better than 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:55.040 how would she have been when she wouldn't she missed 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:59.920 by a shot at before? I think fourteen? Yeah, that's 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.800 on his perfection, I know. I mean I have I 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:05.600 have teenage daughters imagining one of the when they were 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:10.280 fourteen too. Not the physicality, but just the the emotion 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:14.079 and the intensity, the the uh, just to have the 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:16.880 whole island and like the way she the way she 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.040 handled it it was it was impressive. Yeah, that's a 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.760 good point. Right, we've kind of we've sort of forgotten 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:25.360 about how how crazy all that was. And and there 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.360 was appeared there where she was like as big a 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.839 star as Tiger I felt like, and um, it never 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.760 never fourteen years old anyone Tiger Woods being within one 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:39.520 cut at a men's event, a young woman, a girl 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:43.120 at fourteen years old missing a cup. I wanted. A 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:47.120 PGA Tour event, a very legitimate PGA Tour event, is 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:52.800 man insane, insane. That's when Tom Laman called her the 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.200 Big Wheezy because or something looks so much like Ernie's. 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:59.160 I know it was. It was so beautiful, just languid 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.000 and long. It I mean, she was like so hyper flexible. 0:13:02.080 --> 0:13:05.000 It was. Yeah, it's too bad. I get a little 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.880 wistful thinking about those days because it was just I mean, 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:11.559 I remember when she bade that run at the was 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:13.319 it the pub Links to try and get into the 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.480 the the US and she trying to get out of 0:13:16.520 --> 0:13:19.640 the Masters and if she'd want it. And it's actually 0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:22.800 a funny story because our boss Jim Harry, who Michael 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:24.599 I have great affection for, he called me. He's like, 0:13:24.640 --> 0:13:26.400 you got to get out there. I think it was 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:30.160 in Ohio, outside Cincinnati if I'm remembering, and I'm in California, 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.319 and so this was when she had I guess made 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.040 it through the round of sixteen and was in the 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.480 quarter finals. So I took a red eye. I went 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.839 right to this course and it was just it was 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:43.800 a very small venue. I mean it was a traditional 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.000 old club that probably had room for about cars in 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:50.440 the parking lot, and they had there was no additional 0:13:50.520 --> 0:13:53.200 parking organized because it's it's the Pub Links. I mean, 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.160 it doesn't get a crowd. And so I'm in the 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.200 rental car all bleary eyed, and I'm still miles from 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:01.360 the course, and there's cars parked along the side of 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.559 the road sporadically, and then it gets more hatphazard. I 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.280 mean people are driving up into ditches and they're up 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:12.240 on these hillsides and they're like parked double wide next 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.600 this road. And it was like it was it felt 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.360 like a disaster movie, you know when when Godzilla comes 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.080 everyone flees the city on foot and they just abandoned 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.920 their cars on the causeway like it had that five 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:26.200 And I got to the front and I wound up. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.200 It's actually with great shame. The only place left was 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:32.200 a handicap spot. And I said to the guy and 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:35.880 she was on the course like she her matches had 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.560 started hours ago. I said, buddy, I'm so desperate, I'm 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.000 gonna leave you the keys. If an actual handicap person 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:43.800 comes move my car, I don't care. I gotta get out. 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:46.320 I can't drive back four miles the next parket place. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:49.920 And I gave him. I gave a twenty. He's like fine, 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:51.840 And you know, it's just like sixteen year old kid 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.920 who was in charge of parking and totally overwhelmed. And 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.960 I ran out there and they were like on the 0:14:57.080 --> 0:14:59.880 last hole I saw, I saw we hit her appro 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:02.760 coach and then get closed out. I flew all the 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:04.880 way there and I saw her playing golf like twelve minutes. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.760 But just the the energy around it and the scene setting, 0:15:09.000 --> 0:15:10.680 and I still got to do a bunch of interviews 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:12.320 and it was worthwhile and it was a good you know, 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.800 it was a pretty good story. But I'll never forget that. 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:17.760 Just the cars, and I've never seen I've never seen 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:19.680 anything like that. It's probably going to Woodstock in nine 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.480 or something. I mean, it was, it was quite memorable. 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.040 I'd have to look it up. My memory serves it's. 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:31.000 Um it was in Cincinnati. Um we do have the 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:36.240 Google machine here, but um, somewhere in the Midwest. And UM. Anyway, 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.920 that was. That was a funny memory. But people don't 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.680 remember that. The Publinks, which doesn't exist anymore, it got 0:15:41.760 --> 0:15:45.040 you into got you into the Masters. One of the 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.160 greatest boondoggles ever was when the pub Links was in 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.040 Kauai and I got sound there to cover it, and 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:56.320 the U s J actually gave the competitors stipends because 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.960 of the travel expense, so it was like a working 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.680 vacation him. There was I remember interviewing the school teacher. 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.760 He just missed the cut. He's like, thank god, He's like, 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.280 I kind of lost track of us, dude out there. 0:16:07.320 --> 0:16:09.080 I'm so happy I missed the cut because now I 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.680 can go to the beach and I can I can hike, 0:16:10.760 --> 0:16:12.400 and I can do this and that. Like it would 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.600 have been so dreary to have had to keep playing golf. 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:18.680 The whole the whole vibe was hilarious. Go ahead, and Michael, 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.560 where you say, uh, we do just a couple of cents. 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:25.800 So I talked to Jim Harry here our former bus 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:28.720 uh just yesterday and here we were speaking at Grant 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.800 Wall the other day. Uh, you know, the late Grant Walls, 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.000 a terrific gunffic to a wonderful right and a wonderful person. 0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.760 And Jim reminded me that he covered the LPGA event 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:46.240 that was played several days after nine eleven. And so 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:48.720 Jim's telling me the story about how he Wall lived 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:52.280 in Seattle and the event was in Seattle, and Jim's 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.560 telling the story in in great detail, like wow, I 0:16:55.760 --> 0:17:00.640 cannot remember an LPGA event being played that and and 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:03.160 and Jim's point was that it was the only sporting 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.200 event that was going on and that you know well 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:07.639 signed on to cover. Do you remember any of this song? 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.320 I do vaguely, yeah, that there was this odd discussion 0:17:11.359 --> 0:17:15.160 as to whether we should even have UH an OPG event. 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:21.040 Now the OPJ is so aware, I think socially, culturally 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:22.760 what's happening in the world, Like they would have been 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.359 the first group. They would have been, like what the 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:27.840 NBA was at the start of the pandemic. That's just 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:29.600 my sense that they were. The op is right now 0:17:29.760 --> 0:17:32.040 maybe the first coup figure out you cannot have a 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:35.479 golf tourney this week. Great little sidebar. It was Shaker 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:41.399 run Alan Yse. Yeah. Now, second of all, I don't 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:43.960 know or I didn't know this, or I don't remember. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.640 A good friend of mine who I've caddied for many times. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.840 It was now a college golf coach got absolutely wiped 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.600 out by Michelle we that year six and five. C 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.440 D Hacker Smith, Sorry, c D, this is how you've 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:01.920 made the podcast. But apps sbolutely destroyed six and five 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:06.719 in the morning, and then UH and then beat Jim Renner. 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:12.320 I mean the I mean and the course was seven 0:18:12.400 --> 0:18:16.919 thousand yards, I mean just that insane. Also Anthony Kim 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:18.960 was making a run that year. What what a time 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.879 and golf that was? That was yeah, yeah, we was. 0:18:22.000 --> 0:18:25.760 Michelle was fifteen and that all happen incredible. Um, it 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:30.000 was a pretty easy path to get into the easy 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.119 definitely definitely quotes. But to think that, you know, she 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:35.440 was a couple of couple of wins away from guys 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.800 she could be to being a woman playing in the Masters, 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.760 a girl really playing the Masters, that would have been 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:46.399 all time yea, and yeah, I know that would have 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:49.600 national ju. The credit was like, there's no issue here 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.720 if she if you qualifies, she goal you win you 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:55.120 in Yeah, absolutely, I mean the US Amateur, the publics, 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.040 they're not they're not. Men's tournaments are open to anyone 0:18:58.080 --> 0:18:59.960 who wants to play in them. Who's a good golf 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.959 for And it just so happens that it's always been 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:04.680 due to fill out the fields. But there's to this 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:08.000 day their their gender neutral. Like if a really talented 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:11.480 young woman or or you know, even a an older 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.040 woman could play in the U s Autre if they 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.080 want to. I mean there's you know, there's a physiology 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:17.240 in play, but if you get the ball in the 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:21.400 hole fast enough, you can compete. Just a quick quick 0:19:21.480 --> 0:19:24.119 note on your phrase gender neutral. Uh, this shows you 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:27.240 how ahead of the game Sandy Tatum wasn't how behind 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.480 the game the USG was in that in that period, 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.760 I was helping Sandy. For those who don't know Sandy Tatum, 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.200 and many would not, Sandy Tatum was a former us 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:39.200 J president and a line of the San Francisco bar 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.560 Uh dead now probably about five or more years and 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:47.200 late in his life. I helped him at a first 0:19:47.240 --> 0:19:53.440 person piece about uh what he imagined the US Open 0:19:53.440 --> 0:19:55.720 would look like in the in the future, and he 0:19:55.840 --> 0:20:00.040 talked about it was for us J publication, and he 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:03.880 talked about the number of transgender players that you would see, 0:20:04.200 --> 0:20:06.959 you know in a quote Men's US Open in the future. 0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:08.919 And it was just, you know, here's a man who 0:20:08.960 --> 0:20:12.840 was in his nineties writing about that in the most 0:20:12.920 --> 0:20:17.119 casual ways. UM and the us JA edited out that 0:20:17.280 --> 0:20:19.919 part of Sandy Candy would't they wouldn't allow it. Now 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:22.359 I think they'd probably welcome it. Uh. It was just 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:27.280 his view anyhow, But but it was gone. But things 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:29.960 things have changed would you agree on about that, that 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.520 that that notion of the U s J or rather 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.439 the l p g A was so behind the times 0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.160 then now is at the leading ede of things. Yeah. 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:43.520 It was strangely conservative and almost chaste. You know. There 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:47.840 was this whole, this fear of any acknowledgement that some 0:20:47.920 --> 0:20:50.399 of their players were gay, which now, of course nobody 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:54.080 cares about and it's uh in sports for for both 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.520 men and women, it's just accepted. But that that always 0:20:56.560 --> 0:20:58.280 hung over the tour and they had sort of this 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:02.640 this siege mentality they want to dress anything, and um, yeah, 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:04.960 and now it's it's definitely much more progressive and a 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.800 lot of the players have found their voices and um, 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:10.600 so yeah, I agree with your take. There one last 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:14.040 thing before we move on from the Hawaiian Open. I 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.359 just I hadn't thought about Matt Kutcher in a long time, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:19.000 and there he was. You know, he's he's still got 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:22.080 that boyish look even though he's now in his mid forties. 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:28.439 And it's including Tiger. Has any player changed their reputation 0:21:28.560 --> 0:21:31.720 and their general perception of the public, um more than 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.560 Matt Coucher due to something that has nothing to do 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:36.800 with the golf like it's just it's incredible. You can't 0:21:36.800 --> 0:21:38.760 look at him and not think about two L two 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:42.480 can and that whole ridiculousness was stiff in the caddy 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:44.720 and I was just like, man, everyone prior to that, 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:46.920 every thought Matt Coucher was a great guy. And he 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:49.520 still probably isn't a lot of ways, but you know, 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.840 fun loving and at sharp needle and kind of an overachiever, 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:56.040 had a very nice career and m and yet it's 0:21:56.119 --> 0:21:59.520 like you look at him like, oh god, one percent tip, like, 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.600