Speaker 1: Wellcome back to the Fire Drill. UM. On this episode,
Speaker 1: we talked about a bunch of great stuff. We talked
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Speaker 1: We I think very much unappreciated how great her young
Speaker 1: career was. If Twitter was around then as prominent as
Speaker 1: is now, it would have been insane. Fourteen years old,
Speaker 1: Mr cut at the at a at a PGA Tour
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Speaker 1: her getting to the quarterfinal of the publics him flying
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Speaker 1: three of us talking golf. My head can't get John
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Speaker 1: not think well I'm thinking about. Hello, this is Alan
Speaker 1: Schipnuk back for another Fire Drill podcast as always with
Speaker 1: Michael Bamberger and Ryan Frentz. Gentlemen, we completed the Hawaii
Speaker 1: Swing and I know Ryan, you were devastated that Hayden
Speaker 1: Buckley did not win. Tell us why that was so
Speaker 1: disappointing to you and your people. Yeah, Hayden is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite people in golf. A couple of reasons.
Speaker 1: One is just a down to earth. Great dude, Like
Speaker 1: he's the guy that in his first year on tour
Speaker 1: made seven thousand dollars and still drives a ten year
Speaker 1: old truck. Uh. His dad's a great dude. Him and
Speaker 1: him and my him and his dad and I our
Speaker 1: friends like email buddies. Bob is a great guy. Uh.
Speaker 1: A great little sidebar when he won his corn ferry
Speaker 1: event and he was an alternate standing on the range
Speaker 1: on Thursday, got in at the last moment. Then one
Speaker 1: on Sunday I sent that. Sunday I sent Bob an
Speaker 1: email and said, where are you watching it? How are
Speaker 1: you getting your updates? Are you down there? And he said,
Speaker 1: I can't watch it too nervous. I'm hunting. I'm hunting
Speaker 1: beavers at my camp, which is great. And they're they're
Speaker 1: so sweet and industrious. Who when they are invasive, they
Speaker 1: are invasive and and uh he he followed the last
Speaker 1: hole at a shell gas station out in the middle
Speaker 1: of the thing. But just great people. The main thing
Speaker 1: is Hayden has he gets tour players get a lot
Speaker 1: of free stuff sent their way. Hayden doesn't have a
Speaker 1: clothing sponsor, so a lot of clothing companies send him
Speaker 1: free clothes all the time, and he sends it directly
Speaker 1: to me for our my foundation that I sent to
Speaker 1: high school teams in need um. In fact, one kid, uh,
Speaker 1: I just sent a bunch of two and last night
Speaker 1: him and I were texting and he was watching the
Speaker 1: uh you know, events unfold, and I mean, it's very cool.
Speaker 1: This kid has gone from not having much to wearing
Speaker 1: clothes of an almost PGA Tour winner. And uh so
Speaker 1: Peyton is one of my favorite people in the world.
Speaker 1: Uh and so rooting hard for him, Well that's nice.
Speaker 1: I like all that, um. Uh. And yet our champion
Speaker 1: was Cebu Kim, who might be one of the most
Speaker 1: underrated players in golf. I mean, his name is never
Speaker 1: mentioned as as a you know, really a world class
Speaker 1: threat because he hasn't made much noise in them in
Speaker 1: the major championships, although he could win the fifth major
Speaker 1: the players but age seven, I mean, one of my
Speaker 1: favorite swings in golf. He's he's a little volatile out
Speaker 1: there at times. I mean, he's got a temper and
Speaker 1: all that, but I like to watch him play, and
Speaker 1: it was it was an impressive wins his fourth career
Speaker 1: PG Tour wind. I was actually looking up. He's over
Speaker 1: three lifetime in in playoffs on the tour. I mean
Speaker 1: he could all have almost double the wins if he
Speaker 1: had a better luck in the playoffs. So he's he's
Speaker 1: putting together a pretty nice resume. What do you guys
Speaker 1: have any thoughts about see woo. One loved the shirt
Speaker 1: and got a lot of hell on it, but I
Speaker 1: liked it. Uh, It's like he just disappeared. He disappears
Speaker 1: for times and then like appears with great play. Um
Speaker 1: it is a very underrated. Like I kind of knew
Speaker 1: he had four wins. I knew he had one here
Speaker 1: and there, but like definitely an underrated four wins. Like
Speaker 1: people just don't talk about him. Uh and uh he
Speaker 1: seems to have gotten way more animated, like he was
Speaker 1: pumping up crowds last night and those kind of things.
Speaker 1: A side note, his uh Kenny is Manny Hill j
Speaker 1: gez come me Camille's brother who in one of our
Speaker 1: candy trips. Uh, my dad and I took Manny was
Speaker 1: in a group with my dad Michael will know. This
Speaker 1: is the Mitch Tasker group, the the Australian and my
Speaker 1: dad came off. It was like I have never heard
Speaker 1: anyone swear as much as Manny. Bill Jake is good swear.
Speaker 1: It's like a world class. And even when my dad,
Speaker 1: as my dad kind of went down the dementia trails,
Speaker 1: some things he would remember and how much Manny swore,
Speaker 1: and it made me think about it as they kind
Speaker 1: of hot Mike uh see woo and Manny t yesterday
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh boy, this could get this
Speaker 1: could get sideways luckily swing right. Is that something that
Speaker 1: you've ever talked to about? I mean, it's so unconventional
Speaker 1: to see a guy go out of the way he does.
Speaker 1: It's obviously to me, it seems obviously it's he's a
Speaker 1: self tug guy and does things his own way. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's part of the appeal for you. Do you
Speaker 1: know anything about his move and where it comes from.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know much, but I mean unconventional
Speaker 1: for sure. How about the the guy teeing it up
Speaker 1: as high as a driver on the eighteenth hole, uh
Speaker 1: with a three wood? I mean that is full blown
Speaker 1: stones and full blown confidence that you are not going
Speaker 1: to pop that up a hundred and seventy yards down
Speaker 1: the fairway. Yeah. Yeah, that was a little disconcerting, I agree,
Speaker 1: and it was. It was interesting, you know, leaderboard, we
Speaker 1: had a Matt Coucher sighting, we had Aaron Baddeley frequent
Speaker 1: Monday qualifier. Like I've always liked the Hawaiian Open because
Speaker 1: it's sort of democratic tournament. A lot of guys don't
Speaker 1: make the trips, so for for many rookies or or
Speaker 1: players who are a little down on the on their luck, like,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a start. It's it's a very old
Speaker 1: school golf course. It looks, it looks nice on TV,
Speaker 1: but it's it's um. It's kind of shortish and it's
Speaker 1: more about finesse and positioning and um it's and you
Speaker 1: know now that they had a pretty good spill over
Speaker 1: for um from Capitalua. I think half the Capitalua field
Speaker 1: bound up making the trip over there, partly because you know,
Speaker 1: like George Speed and guys like that have to play
Speaker 1: three non elevated events as part of this new deal
Speaker 1: and so um, you know, the field is a little
Speaker 1: bit stronger at the top, but there was still some
Speaker 1: charming stories they cleft upon the leaderboards. I'm a big fan.
Speaker 1: It's I think it's always a fun tournament. I am too,
Speaker 1: and I'm always, I always every year I think this,
Speaker 1: how SETH. Raynard got to Hawaii to design that golf
Speaker 1: course is stunning to me. And then the fact that
Speaker 1: the course is held up so well over the years
Speaker 1: shows you that that that it can be done, and
Speaker 1: you know it probably should be a part of sixty
Speaker 1: eight and then you know even would be a great scorer.
Speaker 1: But we still cling to this notional part five. But
Speaker 1: if you forget that, it's it's no one ever runs
Speaker 1: away with with a win there. And also it shows
Speaker 1: you elevated, non elevated if you like golf, really doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It was a terrific tournament to watch and different personalities,
Speaker 1: totally different styles and it was you know, part of
Speaker 1: you know, a short part five finish. And if you
Speaker 1: don't drive and play like like Buckley didn't and me,
Speaker 1: things get really hairy very quickly. Yeah, there's a penalty
Speaker 1: out there. I mean some of those fairway punkers have
Speaker 1: like a steep face and that that rough is you know,
Speaker 1: very wiry and unpredictable, and there's you can attack that
Speaker 1: golf course, but you know there's there's a penalty for missing,
Speaker 1: which I enjoy and um you know, it's just funny
Speaker 1: think about um Ioki winning there, like Michelle Wee and
Speaker 1: Tada Fuji Kwa making runs there. I mean there's been
Speaker 1: there's been some interesting history at that turnament more than
Speaker 1: most and um, you know it seems like what Michelle
Speaker 1: we nearly made a cut there, right, Yeah, a couple
Speaker 1: of times, and I was, I was, I was there
Speaker 1: twice and she, um, you know that was like peaque
Speaker 1: Michelle we media when she was in early to mid
Speaker 1: teens and before the injuries, and like it was the
Speaker 1: electricity there was was unbelievable. And I was there the
Speaker 1: year that Fujikawa made his run and you know he
Speaker 1: was such a charming kid about five. He's like Muggsy
Speaker 1: Bogues heights and just um all of it. So it's
Speaker 1: a special place in my heart for that tournament. Where
Speaker 1: do you guys rank Michelle we missing the cut by
Speaker 1: one on like accomplishments in women's I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: an unreal like it will never have enough credit for
Speaker 1: how as a teenager. I mean again, the course is
Speaker 1: relatively short, but not for like a player that doesn't
Speaker 1: hit it as far. I mean that accomplishment had she
Speaker 1: made the cut would have been one of the greatest
Speaker 1: accomplishments in women's golf, Right, Am I overstating it? No,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you are in Her
Speaker 1: swing was perfection. Uh uh, it never was better than
Speaker 1: how would she have been when she wouldn't she missed
Speaker 1: by a shot at before? I think fourteen? Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: on his perfection, I know. I mean I have I
Speaker 1: have teenage daughters imagining one of the when they were
Speaker 1: fourteen too. Not the physicality, but just the the emotion
Speaker 1: and the intensity, the the uh, just to have the
Speaker 1: whole island and like the way she the way she
Speaker 1: handled it it was it was impressive. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: good point. Right, we've kind of we've sort of forgotten
Speaker 1: about how how crazy all that was. And and there
Speaker 1: was appeared there where she was like as big a
Speaker 1: star as Tiger I felt like, and um, it never
Speaker 1: never fourteen years old anyone Tiger Woods being within one
Speaker 1: cut at a men's event, a young woman, a girl
Speaker 1: at fourteen years old missing a cup. I wanted. A
Speaker 1: PGA Tour event, a very legitimate PGA Tour event, is
Speaker 1: man insane, insane. That's when Tom Laman called her the
Speaker 1: Big Wheezy because or something looks so much like Ernie's.
Speaker 1: I know it was. It was so beautiful, just languid
Speaker 1: and long. It I mean, she was like so hyper flexible.
Speaker 1: It was. Yeah, it's too bad. I get a little
Speaker 1: wistful thinking about those days because it was just I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember when she bade that run at the was
Speaker 1: it the pub Links to try and get into the
Speaker 1: the the US and she trying to get out of
Speaker 1: the Masters and if she'd want it. And it's actually
Speaker 1: a funny story because our boss Jim Harry, who Michael
Speaker 1: I have great affection for, he called me. He's like,
Speaker 1: you got to get out there. I think it was
Speaker 1: in Ohio, outside Cincinnati if I'm remembering, and I'm in California,
Speaker 1: and so this was when she had I guess made
Speaker 1: it through the round of sixteen and was in the
Speaker 1: quarter finals. So I took a red eye. I went
Speaker 1: right to this course and it was just it was
Speaker 1: a very small venue. I mean it was a traditional
Speaker 1: old club that probably had room for about cars in
Speaker 1: the parking lot, and they had there was no additional
Speaker 1: parking organized because it's it's the Pub Links. I mean,
Speaker 1: it doesn't get a crowd. And so I'm in the
Speaker 1: rental car all bleary eyed, and I'm still miles from
Speaker 1: the course, and there's cars parked along the side of
Speaker 1: the road sporadically, and then it gets more hatphazard. I
Speaker 1: mean people are driving up into ditches and they're up
Speaker 1: on these hillsides and they're like parked double wide next
Speaker 1: this road. And it was like it was it felt
Speaker 1: like a disaster movie, you know when when Godzilla comes
Speaker 1: everyone flees the city on foot and they just abandoned
Speaker 1: their cars on the causeway like it had that five
Speaker 1: And I got to the front and I wound up.
Speaker 1: It's actually with great shame. The only place left was
Speaker 1: a handicap spot. And I said to the guy and
Speaker 1: she was on the course like she her matches had
Speaker 1: started hours ago. I said, buddy, I'm so desperate, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave you the keys. If an actual handicap person
Speaker 1: comes move my car, I don't care. I gotta get out.
Speaker 1: I can't drive back four miles the next parket place.
Speaker 1: And I gave him. I gave a twenty. He's like fine,
Speaker 1: And you know, it's just like sixteen year old kid
Speaker 1: who was in charge of parking and totally overwhelmed. And
Speaker 1: I ran out there and they were like on the
Speaker 1: last hole I saw, I saw we hit her appro
Speaker 1: coach and then get closed out. I flew all the
Speaker 1: way there and I saw her playing golf like twelve minutes.
Speaker 1: But just the the energy around it and the scene setting,
Speaker 1: and I still got to do a bunch of interviews
Speaker 1: and it was worthwhile and it was a good you know,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty good story. But I'll never forget that.
Speaker 1: Just the cars, and I've never seen I've never seen
Speaker 1: anything like that. It's probably going to Woodstock in nine
Speaker 1: or something. I mean, it was, it was quite memorable.
Speaker 1: I'd have to look it up. My memory serves it's.
Speaker 1: Um it was in Cincinnati. Um we do have the
Speaker 1: Google machine here, but um, somewhere in the Midwest. And UM. Anyway,
Speaker 1: that was. That was a funny memory. But people don't
Speaker 1: remember that. The Publinks, which doesn't exist anymore, it got
Speaker 1: you into got you into the Masters. One of the
Speaker 1: greatest boondoggles ever was when the pub Links was in
Speaker 1: Kauai and I got sound there to cover it, and
Speaker 1: the U s J actually gave the competitors stipends because
Speaker 1: of the travel expense, so it was like a working
Speaker 1: vacation him. There was I remember interviewing the school teacher.
Speaker 1: He just missed the cut. He's like, thank god, He's like,
Speaker 1: I kind of lost track of us, dude out there.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy I missed the cut because now I
Speaker 1: can go to the beach and I can I can hike,
Speaker 1: and I can do this and that. Like it would
Speaker 1: have been so dreary to have had to keep playing golf.
Speaker 1: The whole the whole vibe was hilarious. Go ahead, and Michael,
Speaker 1: where you say, uh, we do just a couple of cents.
Speaker 1: So I talked to Jim Harry here our former bus
Speaker 1: uh just yesterday and here we were speaking at Grant
Speaker 1: Wall the other day. Uh, you know, the late Grant Walls,
Speaker 1: a terrific gunffic to a wonderful right and a wonderful person.
Speaker 1: And Jim reminded me that he covered the LPGA event
Speaker 1: that was played several days after nine eleven. And so
Speaker 1: Jim's telling me the story about how he Wall lived
Speaker 1: in Seattle and the event was in Seattle, and Jim's
Speaker 1: telling the story in in great detail, like wow, I
Speaker 1: cannot remember an LPGA event being played that and and
Speaker 1: and Jim's point was that it was the only sporting
Speaker 1: event that was going on and that you know well
Speaker 1: signed on to cover. Do you remember any of this song?
Speaker 1: I do vaguely, yeah, that there was this odd discussion
Speaker 1: as to whether we should even have UH an OPG event.
Speaker 1: Now the OPJ is so aware, I think socially, culturally
Speaker 1: what's happening in the world, Like they would have been
Speaker 1: the first group. They would have been, like what the
Speaker 1: NBA was at the start of the pandemic. That's just
Speaker 1: my sense that they were. The op is right now
Speaker 1: maybe the first coup figure out you cannot have a
Speaker 1: golf tourney this week. Great little sidebar. It was Shaker
Speaker 1: run Alan Yse. Yeah. Now, second of all, I don't
Speaker 1: know or I didn't know this, or I don't remember.
Speaker 1: A good friend of mine who I've caddied for many times.
Speaker 1: It was now a college golf coach got absolutely wiped
Speaker 1: out by Michelle we that year six and five. C
Speaker 1: D Hacker Smith, Sorry, c D, this is how you've
Speaker 1: made the podcast. But apps sbolutely destroyed six and five
Speaker 1: in the morning, and then UH and then beat Jim Renner.
Speaker 1: I mean the I mean and the course was seven
Speaker 1: thousand yards, I mean just that insane. Also Anthony Kim
Speaker 1: was making a run that year. What what a time
Speaker 1: and golf that was? That was yeah, yeah, we was.
Speaker 1: Michelle was fifteen and that all happen incredible. Um, it
Speaker 1: was a pretty easy path to get into the easy
Speaker 1: definitely definitely quotes. But to think that, you know, she
Speaker 1: was a couple of couple of wins away from guys
Speaker 1: she could be to being a woman playing in the Masters,
Speaker 1: a girl really playing the Masters, that would have been
Speaker 1: all time yea, and yeah, I know that would have
Speaker 1: national ju. The credit was like, there's no issue here
Speaker 1: if she if you qualifies, she goal you win you
Speaker 1: in Yeah, absolutely, I mean the US Amateur, the publics,
Speaker 1: they're not they're not. Men's tournaments are open to anyone
Speaker 1: who wants to play in them. Who's a good golf
Speaker 1: for And it just so happens that it's always been
Speaker 1: due to fill out the fields. But there's to this
Speaker 1: day their their gender neutral. Like if a really talented
Speaker 1: young woman or or you know, even a an older
Speaker 1: woman could play in the U s Autre if they
Speaker 1: want to. I mean there's you know, there's a physiology
Speaker 1: in play, but if you get the ball in the
Speaker 1: hole fast enough, you can compete. Just a quick quick
Speaker 1: note on your phrase gender neutral. Uh, this shows you
Speaker 1: how ahead of the game Sandy Tatum wasn't how behind
Speaker 1: the game the USG was in that in that period,
Speaker 1: I was helping Sandy. For those who don't know Sandy Tatum,
Speaker 1: and many would not, Sandy Tatum was a former us
Speaker 1: J president and a line of the San Francisco bar
Speaker 1: Uh dead now probably about five or more years and
Speaker 1: late in his life. I helped him at a first
Speaker 1: person piece about uh what he imagined the US Open
Speaker 1: would look like in the in the future, and he
Speaker 1: talked about it was for us J publication, and he
Speaker 1: talked about the number of transgender players that you would see,
Speaker 1: you know in a quote Men's US Open in the future.
Speaker 1: And it was just, you know, here's a man who
Speaker 1: was in his nineties writing about that in the most
Speaker 1: casual ways. UM and the us JA edited out that
Speaker 1: part of Sandy Candy would't they wouldn't allow it. Now
Speaker 1: I think they'd probably welcome it. Uh. It was just
Speaker 1: his view anyhow, But but it was gone. But things
Speaker 1: things have changed would you agree on about that, that
Speaker 1: that that notion of the U s J or rather
Speaker 1: the l p g A was so behind the times
Speaker 1: then now is at the leading ede of things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was strangely conservative and almost chaste. You know. There
Speaker 1: was this whole, this fear of any acknowledgement that some
Speaker 1: of their players were gay, which now, of course nobody
Speaker 1: cares about and it's uh in sports for for both
Speaker 1: men and women, it's just accepted. But that that always
Speaker 1: hung over the tour and they had sort of this
Speaker 1: this siege mentality they want to dress anything, and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: and now it's it's definitely much more progressive and a
Speaker 1: lot of the players have found their voices and um,
Speaker 1: so yeah, I agree with your take. There one last
Speaker 1: thing before we move on from the Hawaiian Open. I
Speaker 1: just I hadn't thought about Matt Kutcher in a long time,
Speaker 1: and there he was. You know, he's he's still got
Speaker 1: that boyish look even though he's now in his mid forties.
Speaker 1: And it's including Tiger. Has any player changed their reputation
Speaker 1: and their general perception of the public, um more than
Speaker 1: Matt Coucher due to something that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the golf like it's just it's incredible. You can't
Speaker 1: look at him and not think about two L two
Speaker 1: can and that whole ridiculousness was stiff in the caddy
Speaker 1: and I was just like, man, everyone prior to that,
Speaker 1: every thought Matt Coucher was a great guy. And he
Speaker 1: still probably isn't a lot of ways, but you know,
Speaker 1: fun loving and at sharp needle and kind of an overachiever,
Speaker 1: had a very nice career and m and yet it's
Speaker 1: like you look at him like, oh god, one percent tip, like,
Speaker 1: come on, Matt, and this is I don't know, is
Speaker 1: it just me or does that pop in your head?
Speaker 1: Do you see Mack Coucher now? And then right prior
Speaker 1: to that, to that, when stiffing the caddy in mac
Speaker 1: Rejuice defense key things that keep paid him exactly what
Speaker 1: you agreed to pay him. And that might be technically true,
Speaker 1: but it doesn'tpply you wont come on um. But prior
Speaker 1: to that period, it was in the period when Tiger
Speaker 1: wasn't appearing in ads at all, there was no one
Speaker 1: more prominent in TV ads. It seems unlikely, but it's
Speaker 1: true than Matt Couchart. He was in every idea ever saw,
Speaker 1: except for maybe you know, Ricky Pallor, but all those
Speaker 1: sketchers had one after another back stone and yeah, like
Speaker 1: he was everywhere. I mean, he was an American, like
Speaker 1: you know, the American boy, right, like the American dream,
Speaker 1: smiled all the time, went to Georgia, tag always nice,
Speaker 1: and then stiff to Caddy and boom. That's it. It's
Speaker 1: because it's those there's so much bullshittery in sports and
Speaker 1: in golf, and it's those raw, unscripted moments that really
Speaker 1: reveals who people are. I mean, it's like Kevin Kissner
Speaker 1: is tweet, you know, mocking people who died of COVID,
Speaker 1: Like that was that was a real look into this
Speaker 1: person's heart. And you can put out the press releases
Speaker 1: and you can have you know, you can you can apologize,
Speaker 1: but like that's the moment where people kind of reveal themselves.
Speaker 1: It was not only that he stiffed him, but then
Speaker 1: then he didn't really do anything right. It was like
Speaker 1: once he got busted, it should have been like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I sent him fifty grand and you know that that's it,
Speaker 1: But it was like defending himself and all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, just digging the whole deeper. It was just like, yikes,
Speaker 1: nothing got better. I don't want to move on, Uh
Speaker 1: from the sony until we talked about Ted. You you
Speaker 1: brought it up. But Ted is now a pro game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's a pro, like a head pro, but in pickleball. Michael,
Speaker 1: for those that don't know, his mother was at every event,
Speaker 1: g Pro, the Mini Tour that he played on a lot, anywhere,
Speaker 1: and she was there with the famous dog and uh
Speaker 1: they had a cart and the dog would get pushed
Speaker 1: around in a cart and she never missed a single shot.
Speaker 1: So I assume she's a side of the pickle ball event. Uh,
Speaker 1: with the dog and the cart. Ted is a great dude, tom,
Speaker 1: he seems to The article I read from PGA tour
Speaker 1: dot Com about him seemed to be that he's kind
Speaker 1: of found his place in life. And uh, I love
Speaker 1: to pickle ball and that's great because Ted was, I know,
Speaker 1: struggling at times. Uh, and so it's good to see.
Speaker 1: But how about today being Martin Luther King day. Uh
Speaker 1: we this discussions going on literally for fifty years. Uh,
Speaker 1: but they were black offers on the PGA Tour when
Speaker 1: I first started, uh watching golf in the seventies were
Speaker 1: not uncommon now they're you know, is wars A a
Speaker 1: blue moon? Uh? Who would have thought all these years,
Speaker 1: after the burdens of Tiger and different efforts to try
Speaker 1: to make the game on inclusive, that the pro would
Speaker 1: still be So what? Um, do you guys have thoughts
Speaker 1: about whether that matters or not? And if it does matter,
Speaker 1: why does it matter if anything's going to ever change? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it does matter. I mean we say it all the time.
Speaker 1: We want golf to look more like America, and um,
Speaker 1: you know the PGA Tour is certainly not representative of that.
Speaker 1: You know. The Tiger boom he was he was such
Speaker 1: a Hayley's comment, you know, like you could he was
Speaker 1: so unique and unexpected in so many ways. I'll be curious, actually, if, if, if,
Speaker 1: if there's an influencer boom, like I could see a
Speaker 1: ten or twelve or fourteen year old kid out there,
Speaker 1: he's watching Roger Steele on Instagram. Who's having a great time?
Speaker 1: Who's who's playing these cool courses? You know, the guys
Speaker 1: for east Side Golf, who've got you know, tons of
Speaker 1: swag and they've got these super cool Jordan's now with
Speaker 1: their logo and they've they've brought like this very um
Speaker 1: this is very cool sort of hip hop um vibe
Speaker 1: to their golf clothes. And you know, you have you
Speaker 1: have Troy Mullins, like who's Who's become kind of this
Speaker 1: personality along the Long Drive? Uh a woman Who's who's
Speaker 1: now commentating on Live Like it may be that you know,
Speaker 1: Tiger was kind of a nerd, right, Like there was
Speaker 1: nothing really cool about Tiger. Now he was incredibly fun
Speaker 1: to watch and he forgot for golf nerds like us,
Speaker 1: and we we loved it. But you know, I mean
Speaker 1: Tiger had Hootie and the Blowfish played his wedding. That
Speaker 1: says at all he could have he could have any
Speaker 1: band in the world, he went with Hooty and the
Speaker 1: blow Wish. It doesn't get more white bread than that. Like,
Speaker 1: Tiger just was never cool. But you know, Roger Steel
Speaker 1: is cool. And like Joe Hooks, who's features on our
Speaker 1: upcoming docuseries that Gry we can touch on later. Joe
Speaker 1: Hooks is super cool. I mean, he's incredibly stylist guy
Speaker 1: and he's he's got a great vibe about him. And
Speaker 1: so I don't know that it may Harold Verner is cool.
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's actually wearing the Jordan's and and
Speaker 1: he's fun loving and so in the final analysis for
Speaker 1: his transcendent greatness, Tiger might have been the wrong role model,
Speaker 1: um because he was so conservative and he was so
Speaker 1: uptight and um. As the as the game has become
Speaker 1: a lot more democratic through social media, through top golf
Speaker 1: and things like that, I mean, it may stimulate interest
Speaker 1: in in in these kids who otherwise you know, watching
Speaker 1: an analog, traditional boring telecast with your grandpa on Sunday
Speaker 1: is not going to make you want to play golf.
Speaker 1: But when when you see uh a lot of these
Speaker 1: folks on social media having a great time and living
Speaker 1: the high life, and they make it look fun and glamorous,
Speaker 1: like I think that could actually draw kids from all
Speaker 1: different backgrounds to the game. So I don't know, the
Speaker 1: Tiger boom was was was a bust. We'll see if
Speaker 1: there's other ways to attract, you know, people to the
Speaker 1: game who traditionally haven't played it. That that's that's happening
Speaker 1: right now. Do you really think the game is more
Speaker 1: democratic now? Because I would say in many ways, the
Speaker 1: you know, the error when touring gros came out of
Speaker 1: the caddy art. It was more democratic. Now it takes
Speaker 1: more money than ever for a junior golfer to try
Speaker 1: to make it, to become good enough to place a
Speaker 1: Division one golf let alone and meet the tours that
Speaker 1: Ryan covers, let alone the j Tour. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: I meant more from the standpoint that, uh, you're exposed
Speaker 1: to golf constantly on social media. Um like, so none
Speaker 1: of my none of my daughters play golf, but you
Speaker 1: know our phones are always watching and listing in because
Speaker 1: their their proximity to me. They get fed golf content
Speaker 1: on on Snapchat and on Instagram. And you know what,
Speaker 1: whenever there's like a babe in a many skirt and
Speaker 1: high heels at top golf, they think it's cool, like hey,
Speaker 1: do you know this girl? And um like that's their
Speaker 1: energy or oh my god, did you see that crazy
Speaker 1: shot that uh that George Speith pulled off? I was like,
Speaker 1: how do you know about that? It's like I saw
Speaker 1: a snapchat Like So the I meant democratic f the
Speaker 1: standpoint that that if you're a teenager or a young person,
Speaker 1: the game is coming to you in a fun, disposable way,
Speaker 1: and you're getting a glimpse of it that where it
Speaker 1: looks cool. You've got you know, Brooks is on a
Speaker 1: yacht like my my daughter that was like did you
Speaker 1: see that y'ach? The Brooks kept us on in the
Speaker 1: Italian Rivieria. I was like, yeah, I did. She's like, dang,
Speaker 1: like I didn't know golfers like party like that. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they do. You know. So I'm just
Speaker 1: saying like, there's, um, if you're trying to reach young
Speaker 1: people and try and change their their idea that golf
Speaker 1: is a stayed boring you are ugly clothes and you
Speaker 1: you you play these uptight places and it's it's a
Speaker 1: game for your your old man and like because of
Speaker 1: social media has had a profound impact I think on
Speaker 1: on how kids think about the sport. So that that
Speaker 1: sound was referring to, You're right, there's still huge obstacles
Speaker 1: if you're going to take that energy and try and
Speaker 1: make it as a as a tour pro but um,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. It's it's an interesting moment
Speaker 1: for the sport. I think, Yeah, agreed, I mean, there's um,
Speaker 1: there's a tour now for people of color. I'm any
Speaker 1: tour and they're getting some opportunities, but I think it's
Speaker 1: such a like this is not going to happen overnight.
Speaker 1: Um you know the kids that are playing now, all right,
Speaker 1: you know it's a twenty year, thirty year, and I
Speaker 1: don't think there's ever been a concentration on trying to
Speaker 1: make golf ah not as white as it is before,
Speaker 1: you know, the last few years. So luckily that is changing,
Speaker 1: but I think to Allen's point, I think it will
Speaker 1: take a lot of time to get more exclude, you know,
Speaker 1: more ethnicity in the game. I hope it's changing. I
Speaker 1: hope it. I think Allen's point about Roger Steele and
Speaker 1: um and and Jenkins went to golf Tech, and I mean,
Speaker 1: he's just like a great way for people to see
Speaker 1: that golf can be fun and just enjoy it, doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: and out of that will come some good players. But
Speaker 1: one thing that comes to mind immediately is Tony Feenou
Speaker 1: is such an outlier, uh and the fact that you know,
Speaker 1: a working class kid with no golf culture around him
Speaker 1: whatsoever and tremendous athletic ability got drawn to tiger Woods
Speaker 1: just like Jordan's feet and Justin Thomas and countless others did,
Speaker 1: but they weren't working class kids with no access to golf.
Speaker 1: And he found his own access to golf, and he
Speaker 1: took that same skill set that you know, you could
Speaker 1: very much guess would would have made him a Division
Speaker 1: one basketball player in college, you know, only college basketball,
Speaker 1: and applied to golf and got himself good enough basically
Speaker 1: self taught to you know, to get into the last
Speaker 1: group of masters, and he's going to have a long,
Speaker 1: long career. He's just such a tremendous outlier. And then
Speaker 1: another era, and I would say, actually more democratic era
Speaker 1: for for golf, there would have been more Tony finales.
Speaker 1: But now if you compare Tony finale with Justin Thomas
Speaker 1: and you know, in Jordan's speed than the others you know,
Speaker 1: had all the video and all the instruction and all
Speaker 1: the junior events, it's just it's so much harder to do.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot, a lot of golf is just
Speaker 1: weird because it blends. To make it in golf, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would both agree with this need a
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of natural athleticism like you do to make
Speaker 1: it in basketball, coupled with a tremendous amount of tutoring.
Speaker 1: You know that that's not the path to the NBA
Speaker 1: or the NFL necessarily, but it is the path to golf.
Speaker 1: So I guess this is a weird tip of the
Speaker 1: head to Tony Finale, who's is one of the great
Speaker 1: gentlemen of the game. Now anyhow, um, well, just a
Speaker 1: couple of things before, you know, more mundane golf nature.
Speaker 1: But to me, it actually brings this full circle little
Speaker 1: bit that the Netflix show is about the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: The promotion began the last few days. And again, if
Speaker 1: you're trying, if you're competing with with great young athletes
Speaker 1: and they look at you know, do use your Tony
Speaker 1: few example, Like they look at the NBA and it's
Speaker 1: it's the most exciting sports league there is. And NBA
Speaker 1: Twitter is always on fire and everything about it is glamorous.
Speaker 1: Um and if you know, if golf is gonna steal
Speaker 1: some of those athletes, part of it is the perceptive
Speaker 1: of the sport. So the fact that this this Netflix
Speaker 1: show is coming, it's going to create a lot of energy,
Speaker 1: and it's going to create eyeballs. And I'm not suggesting
Speaker 1: it's going to reshape the sport. But it's just a
Speaker 1: little milestone for the game that the powers would be
Speaker 1: have deemed it interesting enough for It's a full blown
Speaker 1: Netflix show. So um, now, all that said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to be excited. I watched
Speaker 1: the trailer and it left me a little cold because
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you're in a car with Justin Thomas.
Speaker 1: What we know Justin Thomas is boring. Oh you're on
Speaker 1: a jet with Colin Mary Collett, Well, he's even more boring.
Speaker 1: And you go down the list of these players, it's
Speaker 1: like there's not a lot of dramatic tension in their lives.
Speaker 1: And uh, of course I'll watch the show and hopefully
Speaker 1: I'm pleasantly surprised. But what did you guys think of
Speaker 1: the trailer? I say the same thing all the time.
Speaker 1: First of all, Chad mom seems to be a great producer.
Speaker 1: He'd like in a great dude, and he produced the
Speaker 1: F one thing. Uh, and I and the lift stuff.
Speaker 1: It looks like they were inside on the lift stuff.
Speaker 1: That will be unreal, assuming that they were there when
Speaker 1: all of this went down, and all of those kind
Speaker 1: of things. I say two things about F one show. One,
Speaker 1: they could die every time they get in the car.
Speaker 1: That creates drama at the characters that we know on
Speaker 1: the show in our real life, every time they go
Speaker 1: to do their job, they could die. And second of all,
Speaker 1: they can lose their job. That's part of the drama, right,
Speaker 1: is that teams are thinking about firing a guy and
Speaker 1: whether he's going to be able to make it. That
Speaker 1: makes a show. None of the people that I saw
Speaker 1: in that trailer can a die outside on a golf
Speaker 1: course outside of some on real event, And two, they
Speaker 1: can't lose their job. Joel Damon is the only guy
Speaker 1: that I saw in the trailer that is on like
Speaker 1: he's one of one event, so he's like he'll get
Speaker 1: some starts for the better part of the next fifteen years.
Speaker 1: But is the only guy so that has some sort
Speaker 1: of you know, needs to still continue to win and
Speaker 1: play well to keep his card. Everybody else can play
Speaker 1: events for the rest of their lives. They will never
Speaker 1: lose their job ever. Ever, So I don't know where
Speaker 1: the drama is now. I could be totally wrong. I'm open,
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it. I just don't know how they
Speaker 1: replaced the fact that everyone compares it to the F
Speaker 1: one show obviously because of the same producers and how
Speaker 1: it's grown F one, but F one drivers can die
Speaker 1: and lose their job. There's a reason why Ryan on
Speaker 1: his Monday que Twitter feed as a hundred and fifteen
Speaker 1: thousand followers, because those guys are playing for their livelihood
Speaker 1: and those stakes are high, and these stakes are love
Speaker 1: and that's a problem for the for the PGA Tour,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be a problem for this for
Speaker 1: this show. If if it was more narrow in focus,
Speaker 1: like someone was desperate to make a rider Cup team
Speaker 1: before the career was over, you know, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it might have more of a chance. I wish it, Uh,
Speaker 1: wish a lot of luck, but it's it's it's so
Speaker 1: hard to I mean, just even yesterday, just like like
Speaker 1: you know, they cut to a commercial hit Aidan Buckley
Speaker 1: at that t shot in the rough and then he
Speaker 1: slashed at that second shot, left that in the rough.
Speaker 1: Of course you should have left to that, or could
Speaker 1: wish he could have, and then he wouldn't had an
Speaker 1: easy chip, he had a hard pitch and uh, and
Speaker 1: then they cut a way to a commercial break, and
Speaker 1: like I'm on pins, and you know it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: what kind of line does he have? There are two
Speaker 1: balls in the rough? Replace wherest can you learn? If
Speaker 1: he doesn't pay first? Like, because we know golf, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of scenarios and think, well, what's it like
Speaker 1: for some kid who watches you know, just flicked onto it,
Speaker 1: you know from some NFL games are like who cares?
Speaker 1: You know? In other words, all that dramatic tension doesn't
Speaker 1: exist for most people. And that so now we have
Speaker 1: a Netflix series. Netflix is there? Netflix series? Uh, it's
Speaker 1: built on dramatic tension. That's where I struggle with golf
Speaker 1: podcast or golf broadcast. I don't want to be the
Speaker 1: guy who complains about golf pod you know broadcast. But
Speaker 1: like they did such a poor job yesterday of telling
Speaker 1: like what this chip shot means to Hayden Buckley. Right
Speaker 1: like twenty months ago he was standing on a range
Speaker 1: in a one for event as the first alternate. Uh,
Speaker 1: and he was chipping a chip in a put and
Speaker 1: he has a chance to go to the Masters. Uh,
Speaker 1: Like explain where he's been that, you know he was
Speaker 1: a walk up, Like, explain what all of this means?
Speaker 1: Like because the common golf fan doesn't care about Hayden Buckley,
Speaker 1: make them care about Hayden Buckley totally agree, and then
Speaker 1: it's a two step process. Make us care and then
Speaker 1: show in unbelievable neurotic detail how hard it is well
Speaker 1: and even to take it even further. So let's say
Speaker 1: that this, I mean, we know this show is gonna
Speaker 1: be beautifully edited and cut. It's gonna be jazzy, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be there's gonna be cool access. It could be
Speaker 1: a thrilling TV show to Watts. I hope it is,
Speaker 1: but then you might still, you might stimulate all this
Speaker 1: fan interest and people who didn't care about the tour
Speaker 1: before it might be say how can check out the picture?
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna turn on these broadcasts that are so
Speaker 1: slow and bore an analog and don't have any storytelling
Speaker 1: and have all the flaws have been enumeraated a million
Speaker 1: times with everybody else. And it's like, if you're if,
Speaker 1: you're trying to convert people. So when if you if
Speaker 1: if you, if you get into the F one you
Speaker 1: know Driver Survive show, then you're like, I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: a race. Well, the F one racist are are spectacular
Speaker 1: on TV. There's no commercials. It's NonStop action. You're in
Speaker 1: the pitch, you're in the cars, things are happening. The
Speaker 1: production value super high. Like you watch a race, you're
Speaker 1: hooked because the actual race is so thrilling. If you
Speaker 1: if you go from the Netflix show and then you
Speaker 1: then you watch a telecast like, wait, this is what
Speaker 1: I was excited about. This sucks. So that's even no
Speaker 1: matter how good this show is, it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: to convert casual fans because the every week broadcasts are
Speaker 1: so boring and so devoid of storytelling. And so it's
Speaker 1: like to think that that this show is going to
Speaker 1: revolutionize golf the way that Drive to Survive changed everything
Speaker 1: for F one is a fairy tale because the the
Speaker 1: product that the show is promoting is still as boring
Speaker 1: as it's ever been. The way it's presented to fans.
Speaker 1: I think again, this year has a huge chance to
Speaker 1: be amazing because of the live stuff. Uh, but next year,
Speaker 1: that's obviously assuming they want to do. When F one
Speaker 1: has done multiple seasons, I don't know how many six
Speaker 1: or something like that, like next year it's going to
Speaker 1: be even richer. Guys, ye, season Season two of of
Speaker 1: the Netflix. So yeah, it's like it's gonna be super
Speaker 1: rich guys covering super rich. You know. Again, I hope
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, because if the show is good, it's good
Speaker 1: for golf trickled down, it's good for us, it's great
Speaker 1: for everyone involved. So I wanted to be good. I
Speaker 1: have some hope that it's going to be good. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't know how they create some
Speaker 1: sort of plot or drama. This is where we should
Speaker 1: talk about um the grind, because instead of just bitching
Speaker 1: about things, we've actually done something about it here at
Speaker 1: the Firetrit Collective, and we've put together a fifteen episode
Speaker 1: docuseries that is the antithesis of of this Netflix show, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, full Swing. I'm not loving the name,
Speaker 1: but it is the very opposite where we have gone
Speaker 1: into the lives of of these fringe players and and
Speaker 1: tried to show that the struggles and the triumphs and
Speaker 1: the stresses, and we have incredible access. It's a very
Speaker 1: interesting and diverse group of players aspiring prose and obviously, Ryan,
Speaker 1: you were a huge inspiration for this show and the
Speaker 1: work you've done. Tell the listeners about the show and
Speaker 1: how excited you are and what it all means. Yeah,
Speaker 1: beyond excited. Uh. I mean to think that I started
Speaker 1: a Twitter account and for just fun and somehow I've
Speaker 1: had some small influence on now how the show is insane. Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The first we've done episodes individually, so each episode will
Speaker 1: be focused on one person, multiple people all across the world. Men, women, diversity,
Speaker 1: um and uh. The first couple episodes are with Mark
Speaker 1: Baldwin and uh, I just love that it will give
Speaker 1: another level of look into these players lives. Um. We
Speaker 1: have a woman who's who lives in a van to
Speaker 1: make her dreams, you know, to try to chase the
Speaker 1: LPGA tour. We have guys who work on the side.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what life looks like for I
Speaker 1: always say might be higher than that pro golfers across
Speaker 1: the world. Um and and I always say this is. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's pressure to win the Sony Open, or pressure to
Speaker 1: win the Masters or those kind of things. I am
Speaker 1: not discounting that pressure. But pressure for your rent or
Speaker 1: pressure when you've matched out your credit card. Those puts
Speaker 1: means something. I promise at the A T and T
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach Pro am as we as Mark fell out
Speaker 1: of it on Sunday. Every stroke he was thinking about
Speaker 1: the tens of thousands of dollars that he was losing. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's only human nature. This was the chance of a lifetime.
Speaker 1: And we take you inside the ropes of what that
Speaker 1: all means. All of it, Uh, not only for Mark,
Speaker 1: but a bunch of players, guys transitioning to pro golf, women,
Speaker 1: tren you know, chasing the LPGA tour at all of
Speaker 1: it would just take it. It is an important side
Speaker 1: of golf because I think the outside golf world thinks
Speaker 1: of it as a bunch of rich people and the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that a large portion of
Speaker 1: progolf are exactly opposite of that. Ryan, when you say,
Speaker 1: I would say literally, I mean, it's such a timey
Speaker 1: number of people who make it. But that dream machine.
Speaker 1: I love that phrase that you know that others have used.
Speaker 1: But Brian muses very effectively of chasing it. Uh. That
Speaker 1: is so exciting about about this series that we're doing.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, we all three of us have
Speaker 1: written about people with you know, chasing the dream machine
Speaker 1: in a wrong way. But um, it's that's alive because
Speaker 1: there's a you know, there's a desperation there. I think
Speaker 1: it's perfectly summed up, and it's all through all fifteen episodes.
Speaker 1: But Saturday at a T and T Pebble Beach bro am, Uh,
Speaker 1: Mark was on Mark and I were on top of
Speaker 1: the world. And had he shot sixty eight the final day,
Speaker 1: he would have changed his entire life. Uh, And he
Speaker 1: shot seventy and um what that means is in there,
Speaker 1: and uh, the reality of us waking up twelve hours
Speaker 1: later playing off of mats at a municipal course while
Speaker 1: playing uh a Monday qualifier for the waste management is
Speaker 1: in there. Uh. Pro golf comes at you fast, and
Speaker 1: there is. Mark's quote is there's twenty downs for every
Speaker 1: one up, but the one up makes all the twenty
Speaker 1: downs worth it. And so uh, we're there for the
Speaker 1: twenty downs and we're there for the one up. You
Speaker 1: almost can't go deep enough about why he wasn't ready
Speaker 1: to shoot six or an he scored other than seventy five.
Speaker 1: That uh uh And that's really really the beauty of
Speaker 1: this game, he said. Even though he had all the
Speaker 1: skill set to shoot sixty eight, he couldn't shoot sixty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And uh, I mean I've seen
Speaker 1: some of the episodes. I mean they're there's they look
Speaker 1: like a Netflix or HBO quality. I mean our editors
Speaker 1: uh uh, you know Marco Ascalante, Greg Louis, others, Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Ax Peggy oversaw the the whole production side
Speaker 1: like it. They're beautifully done and the storytelling is is
Speaker 1: really strong, and it's a big thing for first here
Speaker 1: at the Collector. I think it'll expand and people's notions
Speaker 1: of of who we are and what we can do.
Speaker 1: And you know, we have a lot of ideas like this,
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean I remember talking to Matt
Speaker 1: two years ago when we were just launching this thing,
Speaker 1: like we don't want to be golf Digest dot com.
Speaker 1: We want to be like we want to be Netflix,
Speaker 1: we want to be a movie studio, and um, you
Speaker 1: know this this is a big step in that direction.
Speaker 1: So it's exciting. You'll be able to those listen at home.
Speaker 1: You'll be able to stream the episodes on on our
Speaker 1: website or also on our YouTube channel. And thanks to
Speaker 1: the you know, the generous support of golf Tech, you know,
Speaker 1: at least on our website, there won't be any ads.
Speaker 1: YouTube kind of a beds, a few things that are
Speaker 1: beyond our control, but it's really it's really clean product
Speaker 1: and it's really beautiful and we'll keep talking about it
Speaker 1: and we hope you guys will tune in because it's
Speaker 1: it's a big initiative for all of us guys that
Speaker 1: I have to go. I am ending it, which is
Speaker 1: very rare in the Fire Drill world. I'm the one
Speaker 1: who usually says, hey, let's keep going, and I thank
Speaker 1: you guys on to tell more stories. But it's been
Speaker 1: an hour and uh, I'm making a trip. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's time for me to go. The kids would like
Speaker 1: to play in a pool in their hotel room and
Speaker 1: so uh yeah, we respect that. Right. Well, it's you know,
Speaker 1: you never know what you're gonna get here on the
Speaker 1: Fire Drill Podcast. So uh uh, fun conversation as always,
Speaker 1: and thank you Michael for bringing up Martin Luther King
Speaker 1: day because that was not on my radar screen. So
Speaker 1: good stuff. All right, we do this every week. We're
Speaker 1: back in your ear soon for Ryan French and Michael Bamberger.
Speaker 1: This is Alan Schipnuk. That's a rap. Thanks for listening. Uh,
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