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Speaker 1: we talked about a bunch of great stuff. We talked

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Speaker 1: We I think very much unappreciated how great her young

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Speaker 1: We talked about some heavy stuff UM. We talked about

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Speaker 1: Ted Fujikawa, talked about the Sony um all of it

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Speaker 1: a great discussion. What makes the fire Drill the fire

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Speaker 1: three of us talking golf. My head can't get John

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Speaker 1: Schipnuk back for another Fire Drill podcast as always with

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Speaker 1: Michael Bamberger and Ryan Frentz. Gentlemen, we completed the Hawaii

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Speaker 1: Swing and I know Ryan, you were devastated that Hayden

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Speaker 1: disappointing to you and your people. Yeah, Hayden is one

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Speaker 1: one on like accomplishments in women's I mean, it's it's

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Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you are in Her

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Speaker 1: It was not only that he stiffed him, but then

427
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: then he didn't really do anything right. It was like

428
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,440
Speaker 1: once he got busted, it should have been like, yeah,

429
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: I sent him fifty grand and you know that that's it,

430
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,120
Speaker 1: But it was like defending himself and all that kind

431
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: of stuff, just digging the whole deeper. It was just like, yikes,

432
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: nothing got better. I don't want to move on, Uh

433
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: from the sony until we talked about Ted. You you

434
00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: brought it up. But Ted is now a pro game. Yeah,

435
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: he's he's a pro, like a head pro, but in pickleball. Michael,

436
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 1: for those that don't know, his mother was at every event,

437
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: g Pro, the Mini Tour that he played on a lot, anywhere,

438
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 1: and she was there with the famous dog and uh

439
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: they had a cart and the dog would get pushed

440
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 1: around in a cart and she never missed a single shot.

441
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: So I assume she's a side of the pickle ball event. Uh,

442
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 1: with the dog and the cart. Ted is a great dude, tom,

443
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: he seems to The article I read from PGA tour

444
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: dot Com about him seemed to be that he's kind

445
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 1: of found his place in life. And uh, I love

446
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: to pickle ball and that's great because Ted was, I know,

447
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: struggling at times. Uh, and so it's good to see.

448
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: But how about today being Martin Luther King day. Uh

449
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 1: we this discussions going on literally for fifty years. Uh,

450
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: but they were black offers on the PGA Tour when

451
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 1: I first started, uh watching golf in the seventies were

452
00:24:55,320 --> 00:25:00,119
Speaker 1: not uncommon now they're you know, is wars A a

453
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: blue moon? Uh? Who would have thought all these years,

454
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: after the burdens of Tiger and different efforts to try

455
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,920
Speaker 1: to make the game on inclusive, that the pro would

456
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 1: still be So what? Um, do you guys have thoughts

457
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,360
Speaker 1: about whether that matters or not? And if it does matter,

458
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,880
Speaker 1: why does it matter if anything's going to ever change? Yeah,

459
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 1: it does matter. I mean we say it all the time.

460
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: We want golf to look more like America, and um,

461
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: you know the PGA Tour is certainly not representative of that.

462
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: You know. The Tiger boom he was he was such

463
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: a Hayley's comment, you know, like you could he was

464
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: so unique and unexpected in so many ways. I'll be curious, actually, if, if, if,

465
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: if there's an influencer boom, like I could see a

466
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Speaker 1: ten or twelve or fourteen year old kid out there,

467
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: he's watching Roger Steele on Instagram. Who's having a great time?

468
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: Who's who's playing these cool courses? You know, the guys

469
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: for east Side Golf, who've got you know, tons of

470
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: swag and they've got these super cool Jordan's now with

471
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: their logo and they've they've brought like this very um

472
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: this is very cool sort of hip hop um vibe

473
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: to their golf clothes. And you know, you have you

474
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 1: have Troy Mullins, like who's Who's become kind of this

475
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: personality along the Long Drive? Uh a woman Who's who's

476
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 1: now commentating on Live Like it may be that you know,

477
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: Tiger was kind of a nerd, right, Like there was

478
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: nothing really cool about Tiger. Now he was incredibly fun

479
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 1: to watch and he forgot for golf nerds like us,

480
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 1: and we we loved it. But you know, I mean

481
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: Tiger had Hootie and the Blowfish played his wedding. That

482
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: says at all he could have he could have any

483
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: band in the world, he went with Hooty and the

484
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: blow Wish. It doesn't get more white bread than that. Like,

485
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: Tiger just was never cool. But you know, Roger Steel

486
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 1: is cool. And like Joe Hooks, who's features on our

487
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 1: upcoming docuseries that Gry we can touch on later. Joe

488
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: Hooks is super cool. I mean, he's incredibly stylist guy

489
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: and he's he's got a great vibe about him. And

490
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: so I don't know that it may Harold Verner is cool.

491
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's actually wearing the Jordan's and and

492
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: he's fun loving and so in the final analysis for

493
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 1: his transcendent greatness, Tiger might have been the wrong role model,

494
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: um because he was so conservative and he was so

495
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: uptight and um. As the as the game has become

496
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,719
Speaker 1: a lot more democratic through social media, through top golf

497
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: and things like that, I mean, it may stimulate interest

498
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:43,120
Speaker 1: in in in these kids who otherwise you know, watching

499
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: an analog, traditional boring telecast with your grandpa on Sunday

500
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: is not going to make you want to play golf.

501
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: But when when you see uh a lot of these

502
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: folks on social media having a great time and living

503
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: the high life, and they make it look fun and glamorous,

504
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: like I think that could actually draw kids from all

505
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: different backgrounds to the game. So I don't know, the

506
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: Tiger boom was was was a bust. We'll see if

507
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 1: there's other ways to attract, you know, people to the

508
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 1: game who traditionally haven't played it. That that's that's happening

509
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: right now. Do you really think the game is more

510
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: democratic now? Because I would say in many ways, the

511
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, the error when touring gros came out of

512
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,880
Speaker 1: the caddy art. It was more democratic. Now it takes

513
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 1: more money than ever for a junior golfer to try

514
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: to make it, to become good enough to place a

515
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: Division one golf let alone and meet the tours that

516
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: Ryan covers, let alone the j Tour. Yeah, that's true.

517
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: I meant more from the standpoint that, uh, you're exposed

518
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: to golf constantly on social media. Um like, so none

519
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: of my none of my daughters play golf, but you

520
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: know our phones are always watching and listing in because

521
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: their their proximity to me. They get fed golf content

522
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: on on Snapchat and on Instagram. And you know what,

523
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: whenever there's like a babe in a many skirt and

524
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: high heels at top golf, they think it's cool, like hey,

525
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: do you know this girl? And um like that's their

526
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: energy or oh my god, did you see that crazy

527
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 1: shot that uh that George Speith pulled off? I was like,

528
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: how do you know about that? It's like I saw

529
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: a snapchat Like So the I meant democratic f the

530
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: standpoint that that if you're a teenager or a young person,

531
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: the game is coming to you in a fun, disposable way,

532
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: and you're getting a glimpse of it that where it

533
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: looks cool. You've got you know, Brooks is on a

534
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: yacht like my my daughter that was like did you

535
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: see that y'ach? The Brooks kept us on in the

536
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 1: Italian Rivieria. I was like, yeah, I did. She's like, dang,

537
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: like I didn't know golfers like party like that. I

538
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: was like, oh, they do. You know. So I'm just

539
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 1: saying like, there's, um, if you're trying to reach young

540
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: people and try and change their their idea that golf

541
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: is a stayed boring you are ugly clothes and you

542
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: you you play these uptight places and it's it's a

543
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: game for your your old man and like because of

544
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: social media has had a profound impact I think on

545
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: on how kids think about the sport. So that that

546
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: sound was referring to, You're right, there's still huge obstacles

547
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: if you're going to take that energy and try and

548
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 1: make it as a as a tour pro but um,

549
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know. It's it's an interesting moment

550
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: for the sport. I think, Yeah, agreed, I mean, there's um,

551
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: there's a tour now for people of color. I'm any

552
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: tour and they're getting some opportunities, but I think it's

553
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: such a like this is not going to happen overnight.

554
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 1: Um you know the kids that are playing now, all right,

555
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: you know it's a twenty year, thirty year, and I

556
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: don't think there's ever been a concentration on trying to

557
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: make golf ah not as white as it is before,

558
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: you know, the last few years. So luckily that is changing,

559
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: but I think to Allen's point, I think it will

560
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: take a lot of time to get more exclude, you know,

561
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: more ethnicity in the game. I hope it's changing. I

562
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: hope it. I think Allen's point about Roger Steele and

563
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: um and and Jenkins went to golf Tech, and I mean,

564
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: he's just like a great way for people to see

565
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: that golf can be fun and just enjoy it, doesn't matter,

566
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: and out of that will come some good players. But

567
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: one thing that comes to mind immediately is Tony Feenou

568
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: is such an outlier, uh and the fact that you know,

569
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: a working class kid with no golf culture around him

570
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: whatsoever and tremendous athletic ability got drawn to tiger Woods

571
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: just like Jordan's feet and Justin Thomas and countless others did,

572
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: but they weren't working class kids with no access to golf.

573
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: And he found his own access to golf, and he

574
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: took that same skill set that you know, you could

575
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: very much guess would would have made him a Division

576
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: one basketball player in college, you know, only college basketball,

577
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: and applied to golf and got himself good enough basically

578
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 1: self taught to you know, to get into the last

579
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: group of masters, and he's going to have a long,

580
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: long career. He's just such a tremendous outlier. And then

581
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: another era, and I would say, actually more democratic era

582
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: for for golf, there would have been more Tony finales.

583
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: But now if you compare Tony finale with Justin Thomas

584
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: and you know, in Jordan's speed than the others you know,

585
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: had all the video and all the instruction and all

586
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: the junior events, it's just it's so much harder to do.

587
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean a lot, a lot of golf is just

588
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: weird because it blends. To make it in golf, and

589
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm sure you would both agree with this need a

590
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: tremendous amount of natural athleticism like you do to make

591
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: it in basketball, coupled with a tremendous amount of tutoring.

592
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: You know that that's not the path to the NBA

593
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: or the NFL necessarily, but it is the path to golf.

594
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: So I guess this is a weird tip of the

595
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: head to Tony Finale, who's is one of the great

596
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: gentlemen of the game. Now anyhow, um, well, just a

597
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: couple of things before, you know, more mundane golf nature.

598
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: But to me, it actually brings this full circle little

599
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: bit that the Netflix show is about the PGA Tour.

600
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: The promotion began the last few days. And again, if

601
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: you're trying, if you're competing with with great young athletes

602
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: and they look at you know, do use your Tony

603
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: few example, Like they look at the NBA and it's

604
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: it's the most exciting sports league there is. And NBA

605
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: Twitter is always on fire and everything about it is glamorous.

606
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: Um and if you know, if golf is gonna steal

607
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: some of those athletes, part of it is the perceptive

608
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: of the sport. So the fact that this this Netflix

609
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: show is coming, it's going to create a lot of energy,

610
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: and it's going to create eyeballs. And I'm not suggesting

611
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 1: it's going to reshape the sport. But it's just a

612
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: little milestone for the game that the powers would be

613
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: have deemed it interesting enough for It's a full blown

614
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: Netflix show. So um, now, all that said, you know,

615
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I'm trying to be excited. I watched

616
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: the trailer and it left me a little cold because

617
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you're in a car with Justin Thomas.

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00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: What we know Justin Thomas is boring. Oh you're on

619
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: a jet with Colin Mary Collett, Well, he's even more boring.

620
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: And you go down the list of these players, it's

621
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: like there's not a lot of dramatic tension in their lives.

622
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: And uh, of course I'll watch the show and hopefully

623
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm pleasantly surprised. But what did you guys think of

624
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: the trailer? I say the same thing all the time.

625
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: First of all, Chad mom seems to be a great producer.

626
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: He'd like in a great dude, and he produced the

627
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: F one thing. Uh, and I and the lift stuff.

628
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: It looks like they were inside on the lift stuff.

629
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: That will be unreal, assuming that they were there when

630
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: all of this went down, and all of those kind

631
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 1: of things. I say two things about F one show. One,

632
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: they could die every time they get in the car.

633
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: That creates drama at the characters that we know on

634
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: the show in our real life, every time they go

635
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: to do their job, they could die. And second of all,

636
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: they can lose their job. That's part of the drama, right,

637
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: is that teams are thinking about firing a guy and

638
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: whether he's going to be able to make it. That

639
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: makes a show. None of the people that I saw

640
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: in that trailer can a die outside on a golf

641
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 1: course outside of some on real event, And two, they

642
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: can't lose their job. Joel Damon is the only guy

643
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: that I saw in the trailer that is on like

644
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: he's one of one event, so he's like he'll get

645
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: some starts for the better part of the next fifteen years.

646
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: But is the only guy so that has some sort

647
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: of you know, needs to still continue to win and

648
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: play well to keep his card. Everybody else can play

649
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: events for the rest of their lives. They will never

650
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: lose their job ever. Ever, So I don't know where

651
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 1: the drama is now. I could be totally wrong. I'm open,

652
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it. I just don't know how they

653
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: replaced the fact that everyone compares it to the F

654
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: one show obviously because of the same producers and how

655
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: it's grown F one, but F one drivers can die

656
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: and lose their job. There's a reason why Ryan on

657
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: his Monday que Twitter feed as a hundred and fifteen

658
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: thousand followers, because those guys are playing for their livelihood

659
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: and those stakes are high, and these stakes are love

660
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: and that's a problem for the for the PGA Tour,

661
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: and that's going to be a problem for this for

662
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: this show. If if it was more narrow in focus,

663
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: like someone was desperate to make a rider Cup team

664
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: before the career was over, you know, I don't know,

665
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: it might have more of a chance. I wish it, Uh,

666
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: wish a lot of luck, but it's it's it's so

667
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: hard to I mean, just even yesterday, just like like

668
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: you know, they cut to a commercial hit Aidan Buckley

669
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: at that t shot in the rough and then he

670
00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: slashed at that second shot, left that in the rough.

671
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: Of course you should have left to that, or could

672
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: wish he could have, and then he wouldn't had an

673
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: easy chip, he had a hard pitch and uh, and

674
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: then they cut a way to a commercial break, and

675
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: like I'm on pins, and you know it's like, wow,

676
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: what kind of line does he have? There are two

677
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: balls in the rough? Replace wherest can you learn? If

678
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: he doesn't pay first? Like, because we know golf, there's

679
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: a lot of scenarios and think, well, what's it like

680
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: for some kid who watches you know, just flicked onto it,

681
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: you know from some NFL games are like who cares?

682
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: You know? In other words, all that dramatic tension doesn't

683
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: exist for most people. And that so now we have

684
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: a Netflix series. Netflix is there? Netflix series? Uh, it's

685
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: built on dramatic tension. That's where I struggle with golf

686
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: podcast or golf broadcast. I don't want to be the

687
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: guy who complains about golf pod you know broadcast. But

688
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: like they did such a poor job yesterday of telling

689
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: like what this chip shot means to Hayden Buckley. Right

690
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: like twenty months ago he was standing on a range

691
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: in a one for event as the first alternate. Uh,

692
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: and he was chipping a chip in a put and

693
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: he has a chance to go to the Masters. Uh,

694
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: Like explain where he's been that, you know he was

695
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: a walk up, Like, explain what all of this means?

696
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: Like because the common golf fan doesn't care about Hayden Buckley,

697
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: make them care about Hayden Buckley totally agree, and then

698
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: it's a two step process. Make us care and then

699
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: show in unbelievable neurotic detail how hard it is well

700
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: and even to take it even further. So let's say

701
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 1: that this, I mean, we know this show is gonna

702
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 1: be beautifully edited and cut. It's gonna be jazzy, there's

703
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: gonna be there's gonna be cool access. It could be

704
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: a thrilling TV show to Watts. I hope it is,

705
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: but then you might still, you might stimulate all this

706
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: fan interest and people who didn't care about the tour

707
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: before it might be say how can check out the picture?

708
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: Now they're gonna turn on these broadcasts that are so

709
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: slow and bore an analog and don't have any storytelling

710
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: and have all the flaws have been enumeraated a million

711
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 1: times with everybody else. And it's like, if you're if,

712
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: you're trying to convert people. So when if you if

713
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 1: if you, if you get into the F one you

714
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: know Driver Survive show, then you're like, I'm gonna watch

715
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: a race. Well, the F one racist are are spectacular

716
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 1: on TV. There's no commercials. It's NonStop action. You're in

717
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: the pitch, you're in the cars, things are happening. The

718
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: production value super high. Like you watch a race, you're

719
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: hooked because the actual race is so thrilling. If you

720
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: if you go from the Netflix show and then you

721
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: then you watch a telecast like, wait, this is what

722
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: I was excited about. This sucks. So that's even no

723
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: matter how good this show is, it's gonna be hard

724
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: to convert casual fans because the every week broadcasts are

725
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: so boring and so devoid of storytelling. And so it's

726
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: like to think that that this show is going to

727
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,320
Speaker 1: revolutionize golf the way that Drive to Survive changed everything

728
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: for F one is a fairy tale because the the

729
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: product that the show is promoting is still as boring

730
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: as it's ever been. The way it's presented to fans.

731
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 1: I think again, this year has a huge chance to

732
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 1: be amazing because of the live stuff. Uh, but next year,

733
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: that's obviously assuming they want to do. When F one

734
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: has done multiple seasons, I don't know how many six

735
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 1: or something like that, like next year it's going to

736
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 1: be even richer. Guys, ye, season Season two of of

737
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: the Netflix. So yeah, it's like it's gonna be super

738
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: rich guys covering super rich. You know. Again, I hope

739
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, because if the show is good, it's good

740
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,959
Speaker 1: for golf trickled down, it's good for us, it's great

741
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 1: for everyone involved. So I wanted to be good. I

742
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: have some hope that it's going to be good. I

743
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't know how they create some

744
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: sort of plot or drama. This is where we should

745
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: talk about um the grind, because instead of just bitching

746
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: about things, we've actually done something about it here at

747
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: the Firetrit Collective, and we've put together a fifteen episode

748
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: docuseries that is the antithesis of of this Netflix show, which,

749
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: by the way, full Swing. I'm not loving the name,

750
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,879
Speaker 1: but it is the very opposite where we have gone

751
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: into the lives of of these fringe players and and

752
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: tried to show that the struggles and the triumphs and

753
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: the stresses, and we have incredible access. It's a very

754
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: interesting and diverse group of players aspiring prose and obviously, Ryan,

755
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: you were a huge inspiration for this show and the

756
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: work you've done. Tell the listeners about the show and

757
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 1: how excited you are and what it all means. Yeah,

758
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: beyond excited. Uh. I mean to think that I started

759
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: a Twitter account and for just fun and somehow I've

760
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 1: had some small influence on now how the show is insane. Uh. Yeah.

761
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: The first we've done episodes individually, so each episode will

762
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 1: be focused on one person, multiple people all across the world. Men, women, diversity,

763
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: um and uh. The first couple episodes are with Mark

764
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: Baldwin and uh, I just love that it will give

765
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: another level of look into these players lives. Um. We

766
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: have a woman who's who lives in a van to

767
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 1: make her dreams, you know, to try to chase the

768
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: LPGA tour. We have guys who work on the side.

769
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this is what life looks like for I

770
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: always say might be higher than that pro golfers across

771
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:40,120
Speaker 1: the world. Um and and I always say this is. Yes,

772
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: there's pressure to win the Sony Open, or pressure to

773
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: win the Masters or those kind of things. I am

774
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 1: not discounting that pressure. But pressure for your rent or

775
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: pressure when you've matched out your credit card. Those puts

776
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: means something. I promise at the A T and T

777
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach Pro am as we as Mark fell out

778
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 1: of it on Sunday. Every stroke he was thinking about

779
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: the tens of thousands of dollars that he was losing. Uh,

780
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: it's only human nature. This was the chance of a lifetime.

781
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: And we take you inside the ropes of what that

782
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 1: all means. All of it, Uh, not only for Mark,

783
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: but a bunch of players, guys transitioning to pro golf, women,

784
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: tren you know, chasing the LPGA tour at all of

785
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: it would just take it. It is an important side

786
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: of golf because I think the outside golf world thinks

787
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: of it as a bunch of rich people and the

788
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is that a large portion of

789
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: progolf are exactly opposite of that. Ryan, when you say,

790
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: I would say literally, I mean, it's such a timey

791
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 1: number of people who make it. But that dream machine.

792
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: I love that phrase that you know that others have used.

793
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: But Brian muses very effectively of chasing it. Uh. That

794
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: is so exciting about about this series that we're doing.

795
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, we all three of us have

796
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,880
Speaker 1: written about people with you know, chasing the dream machine

797
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 1: in a wrong way. But um, it's that's alive because

798
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: there's a you know, there's a desperation there. I think

799
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: it's perfectly summed up, and it's all through all fifteen episodes.

800
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:25,799
Speaker 1: But Saturday at a T and T Pebble Beach bro am, Uh,

801
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: Mark was on Mark and I were on top of

802
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: the world. And had he shot sixty eight the final day,

803
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: he would have changed his entire life. Uh, And he

804
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,439
Speaker 1: shot seventy and um what that means is in there,

805
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 1: and uh, the reality of us waking up twelve hours

806
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 1: later playing off of mats at a municipal course while

807
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: playing uh a Monday qualifier for the waste management is

808
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: in there. Uh. Pro golf comes at you fast, and

809
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: there is. Mark's quote is there's twenty downs for every

810
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: one up, but the one up makes all the twenty

811
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: downs worth it. And so uh, we're there for the

812
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 1: twenty downs and we're there for the one up. You

813
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: almost can't go deep enough about why he wasn't ready

814
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: to shoot six or an he scored other than seventy five.

815
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: That uh uh And that's really really the beauty of

816
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 1: this game, he said. Even though he had all the

817
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: skill set to shoot sixty eight, he couldn't shoot sixty eight. Yeah,

818
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: that's what it is. And uh, I mean I've seen

819
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: some of the episodes. I mean they're there's they look

820
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,240
Speaker 1: like a Netflix or HBO quality. I mean our editors

821
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: uh uh, you know Marco Ascalante, Greg Louis, others, Um,

822
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: you know, Ax Peggy oversaw the the whole production side

823
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: like it. They're beautifully done and the storytelling is is

824
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: really strong, and it's a big thing for first here

825
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: at the Collector. I think it'll expand and people's notions

826
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: of of who we are and what we can do.

827
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: And you know, we have a lot of ideas like this,

828
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 1: and you know, I mean I remember talking to Matt

829
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: two years ago when we were just launching this thing,

830
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: like we don't want to be golf Digest dot com.

831
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: We want to be like we want to be Netflix,

832
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: we want to be a movie studio, and um, you

833
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: know this this is a big step in that direction.

834
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: So it's exciting. You'll be able to those listen at home.

835
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: You'll be able to stream the episodes on on our

836
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: website or also on our YouTube channel. And thanks to

837
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: the you know, the generous support of golf Tech, you know,

838
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 1: at least on our website, there won't be any ads.

839
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 1: YouTube kind of a beds, a few things that are

840
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: beyond our control, but it's really it's really clean product

841
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 1: and it's really beautiful and we'll keep talking about it

842
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: and we hope you guys will tune in because it's

843
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: it's a big initiative for all of us guys that

844
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: I have to go. I am ending it, which is

845
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: very rare in the Fire Drill world. I'm the one

846
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: who usually says, hey, let's keep going, and I thank

847
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: you guys on to tell more stories. But it's been

848
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: an hour and uh, I'm making a trip. No, no,

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Speaker 1: it's time for me to go. The kids would like

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Speaker 1: to play in a pool in their hotel room and

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Speaker 1: so uh yeah, we respect that. Right. Well, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: you never know what you're gonna get here on the

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Speaker 1: Fire Drill Podcast. So uh uh, fun conversation as always,

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Speaker 1: and thank you Michael for bringing up Martin Luther King

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Speaker 1: day because that was not on my radar screen. So

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Speaker 1: good stuff. All right, we do this every week. We're

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Speaker 1: back in your ear soon for Ryan French and Michael Bamberger.

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Speaker 1: This is Alan Schipnuk. That's a rap. Thanks for listening. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's the end. Been big played to win made a

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Speaker 1: fortune game. I ran the table and thought I could

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Speaker 1: call them we win. To hit me like a cannon.

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Speaker 1: The ball and now I can't shake this, losing the streak.

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Speaker 1: Every road I take is a dead end stream. I

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Speaker 1: got thoughts in my head, can't get him out, trying

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Speaker 1: not to think what I'm thinking about. I gott thoughts

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Speaker 1: in my head and can't get him out, and trying

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Speaker 1: not to think what I'm thinking about.