1 00:00:01,480 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: Hey, Welcome to episode three thirty seven with Ernest. He's 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: got a new album out today called flower Shops. He's 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: also got a song that is in the top thirty 4 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: right now. It's him in Morgan Wallen and it's called 5 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: flower Shops. He has five number one as a songwriter. 6 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: We'll get to that. His last one though, was Kane 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Brown won Mississippi, which just went number one. And there 8 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: it is. Are you I go to Ernest official dot com. 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: He's got some shows. He's on Morgan Wallons The Dangerous Tour. 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: He's finishing on tour dates with Chris lanes Field and 11 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Boots Tour. Born and raised in Nashville, Tennessee. And here 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: we go. I think you're gonna like that. I like 13 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: this on micra, I like it a lot of Yeah. 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: I spent some time with them before we talk about 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: that and did you leave in at the end we 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: were talking about what to leave? Is that still on 17 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: this podcast? You can hear what we talked about that 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: we didn't know if it was gonna be on the 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: air or not, and the discussion that we had about 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: just the contents of this podcast and what was suitable 21 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 1: to Aaron, what wasn't. So if you hang to the end, 22 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: you hear that. All right, here you go, here's Earnest. 23 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: Earnest is here. I just did your podcast. I mean 24 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:16,040 Speaker 1: it feels like yesterday, but all time I was weird. Yeah, 25 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: how when did I do that? It's probably a couple 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: of months. I feel like I did that podcast just 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: because you were like, hey, you want to do it. 28 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, sure, I do a lot of podcasts. 29 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I get my own space 30 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: to say what I want, so I don't really unless 31 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing a promotion for like one of my TV shows, 32 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: they're making me do stuff. I don't, however, special that 33 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: you did my podcast. Well, I thought about it, and 34 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know special as the word, but 35 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: I thought about it and I said, you know, I 36 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: would like to go over and talk to Ernest because 37 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 1: I feel like you're just a pretty lay it out 38 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,639 Speaker 1: how it is kind of dude, Yeah, you know, and 39 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: I have kind of the same philosophy. We kind of 40 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: live in different circles. But it was it was pretty 41 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: cool to see because you have a massive following, and 42 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: in your music following is getting much bigger. But just 43 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: as a personality of a big following and to a 44 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: lot of your people, we're like going, hey, you're not 45 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: terrible like I thought. I appreciate you having me on. Yeah, 46 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: well thanks for coming on. I got me in trouble 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: to a little bit. That's all right, that's what's about. Yeah, 48 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. No, I mean you did and I did. 49 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: That's just that's just what it's about. It's good content. Yeah, absolutely, Sorry, 50 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: sorry interrupt I just want to say that as we start, no, 51 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: thank you, that it was a good experience for me likewise, 52 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: and we got down to it. It's it's really cool 53 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: we did I was. I loved getting to have a 54 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 1: conversation with you. I thought it was I thought it 55 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: was cool that our first conversation ever was you know, recorded. 56 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, and we really in the same way we 57 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: did this. I think purposefully we didn't have a long 58 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: chat beforehand, because sometimes you can kill a little bit 59 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: of that that new fuzz, not all of it, because 60 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: you can always still get what you would have gotten. 61 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: But anyway, I really enjoyed it. I wanted to say 62 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: that I appreciate you having me on. I don't do 63 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: a lot of those, but for some reason I was 64 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: just compelled to go over to what do your recording studio? Uh? 65 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: Smelled like weed, I mean it and it will alright, 66 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: So your album is out today, uh, and so we're 67 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: gonna talk about what's happening today with this project and 68 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: kind of your life and your career up until that point. Um. 69 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: So just so you know, we're gonna bounce around a 70 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, the whole situation is pretty fluid here. 71 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: Let me let's just start though. Flower Shops the album. 72 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: It is out today. Here is flower Shops feature Morgan Wallen, 73 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: Mr Take. You know, maybe i'd heard I don't know 74 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: how I knew that song. Maybe was Morgan playing it 75 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: at all? Yeah? We both we both started playing it 76 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: in different settings. He played it at a whiskey jam 77 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: thing that kind of went viral. Got maybe that's what 78 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: I saw. Then. Yeah, I saw he was recording it 79 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: with you, and I messaged him and I was like, 80 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: I don't know who's like the main artist, but great song, 81 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: Like glad you guys are doing it so so so 82 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: tell me about you found the song. You you wrote 83 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 1: the song right not right with Ben Burgess and Mark 84 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: Coleman got it. So you wrote the song and just 85 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: kind of you walking, you're in the room. I'm always 86 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: curious about the genesis of the idea of who goes 87 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: Here's what it is and did it turn into flower 88 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: shops or what happened? Yeah? Check, So this is it's 89 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: pretty unorthodox. Uh. I had been on a George Jones 90 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: bender for like a month or so, just sad songs 91 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: in general. I was listening to a George Jones Essential 92 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: playlist and I picked Burgess up to go to the 93 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: right in my truck and we're driving it's like a 94 00:04:56,360 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: thirty minute drive and good Year for the Rose Is 95 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: comes on on the playlist and we both knew the song, 96 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: but we just hadn't like listen. We just both called 97 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: a moment listening to it, like God, what a title? 98 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: And Burgess was like, we should write a song like 99 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: with a weird title like it's been a good day 100 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: for flower Shops or something, and I was like yeah, 101 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: And I had no idea at that time what it 102 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: what it meant. So we talked about it on the 103 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: drive and we realized it was just kind of this 104 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: guy like run out of apologies and down on his luck. 105 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: Good love, Good girl messed it all up. I'm gonna 106 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: go spend my last time at the flower shops. By 107 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: the time we got to Marks, like the idea was 108 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: kind of sussed out, picked up a guitar, started getting 109 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: the melodies down, and the song was written in like 110 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: forty five minutes once we got to Marks. Now, I'm 111 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: tired of people talking about how these great songs are 112 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: written so quickly. It's it happened. I don't like it. 113 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: I don't like it when these great songs come out 114 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: so quickly. It makes it seem way easier than it 115 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: should be. It's a great song. Thank you. You guys 116 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: did a great job. Thank you. And I don't say 117 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: that a lot, because there are a lot of songs 118 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: and I believe only just the nature of numb first, 119 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: only a select few can be great. And I think 120 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: this is a great song. And so how did the 121 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: Morgan hop on it? Like? What was that? Um? That 122 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: was just a I sent him the song in the text, 123 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 1: like we send each other songs just to listen to, 124 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: and he was like, whoa bub, I love this. And 125 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: a few weeks went on. I played it at a 126 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: whiskey jam tenure whatever it was, at the Rheyman and 127 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: then A couple of weeks later, we were doing our 128 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: writers around together like some private thing, and we were like, 129 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: let's play it tonight. We did it, did the back 130 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: and forth the way you hear it, and later that 131 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: night he went to another whiskey jam thing and played 132 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: it by himself, and by the time the videos had 133 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: come out on that, we're like, well, this is the 134 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: one we have to do together. That's cool. Yeah. I 135 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: do want to go through a bit of the songs 136 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: that you wrote that were massive successes for other people. 137 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: And I mean that car you drove in, and I 138 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 1: want to relate it all to this. I want I 139 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: just without telling me too much, the year model of 140 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: your car. Okay, kind of like Coop Deville. Now that 141 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: being said, here is from twenty nineteen, Big Big Plans 142 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,119 Speaker 1: that you wrote with Chris lane Um and Jacob Robert Durrett. 143 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: Here you go. You don't know what I got some 144 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: big big games. You're one of the writers of F 145 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: g L. I Love My Country, My Country, I Love 146 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 1: six Strings. So that's two number one so far. One 147 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: of the writers on Sam Haunt's breaking up was easy 148 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: in the nineties, sitting I was somewhere I can be wrong. 149 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: Try to let you go. One, Morgan Wallen more than 150 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: my hometown and two just went number one. Congratulations Kane 151 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: Brown won Mississippi or Mississippy Mississippi. Now that being said, 152 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,119 Speaker 1: and now I want to relate it back to the car. 153 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: That car, it does look cool, but it can't be comfortable. 154 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: They didn't create comfortability back then. What do you look 155 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: at me like that? Because it is so comfortable, there's 156 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: no one it's like, I mean breaking down. I have 157 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: an old Bronco that's a seventy one, and it's awesome 158 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: because it's cool. Yeah, but it feels like you're sitting 159 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: in your grandmother's living room couch in that car. Like 160 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: it is comfortable. I go in there and sit and 161 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: just with my headphones on and listen to demo to 162 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: drive that it's awesome. But that's part of the comfortability. Okay, 163 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: That's all I wanted you to say. Like it's part 164 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: of the look, it's part of the MG drove in 165 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: and I was like, I know, Arnists got some money. 166 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: It must be just the day he's driving the old car. 167 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: And I respect that you have a more comfortable car, though, 168 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: do you have a f one fifty see see now 169 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: it's all happening. Yeah, I like that. The one Mississippi though, 170 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: like that in the last two weeks, I believe what 171 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: number one? Right? Can um? How how have you found 172 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: how have you created your UM camp? Uh? Pretty organically? 173 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: I mean I started getting U integrated into the Big 174 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 1: Loud group like five years ago, you know, so like 175 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: when Floor Georgia Line really took me under their wings 176 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: early on and through them a lot of natural relationships happened, 177 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: and then you know, they signed Morgan and Hardy started 178 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: coming around in that circle. The Tree Vibes Bus was 179 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: actually a huge part of the networking the circle. Now 180 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: that I have that guys, I write with Mark Coleman, Hardy, 181 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: Jacob Durrett Morgan and we've kind of just it works. 182 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: So I just spent the first three years doing the 183 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: speed dating writing thing, which everybody has to do, popping 184 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: in room to different people all the time over four 185 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 1: days a week. Somebody brand news so like Rodney classon 186 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: another one. Just being at Big Loud, starting with Craig, 187 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: You're us around a lot of talented people and I've 188 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: been lucky to be able to like have such a 189 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: unique perspective as watching artists and writers and business all 190 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: that sit back and kind of watch and grow up 191 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: in it, um because now I'm about to be thrown 192 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: into the fire and I'll have a little bit of 193 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,560 Speaker 1: knowledge of Yeah, it's a different fire completely. Yeah, it's 194 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 1: a uh, you're gonna make way less money and you're 195 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: gonna have to spend more hours in a lot of 196 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: different places, especially early. However, then there's just a big 197 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: flip and once you had a certain level, it's like 198 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: all the way it is finally on side boom and 199 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: it flips over. And so then it's any creative job 200 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: mine included. I was broke for years, decades, and then 201 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, once you start to get success 202 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: in a creative field, if one a so you grind, 203 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: you hustle, you scratch, and then if you are allowed 204 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: to not have to do that anymore, you don't have 205 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: to do that. We're in songwriting, I feel like it 206 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: grows a little slower and you can just take a climb, 207 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: a steady climb to success. Artist world, it's a whole 208 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 1: whole whole different beast, totally different, and you know, balancing 209 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 1: the wife and kid thing because over quarantine. Obviously everybody 210 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: was taking a break, but there was a beautiful simplicity 211 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: to just being a songwriter. And like, I know Delanney 212 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: loved having me home and it would be easier, but 213 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: there's just there's something in me that once has always 214 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: wanted to entertain and be an artist, and it's like, 215 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: I gotta go do that. The entertaining things, the big 216 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: part of it. Yeah, I gotta do it because you're 217 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: you're an artist writing, absolutely an art. You're as much 218 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,839 Speaker 1: of an artist writing as you are performing. It is 219 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: a different muscle that needs to be flexed, and it's 220 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: if you find fulfillment from that other muscle being flex right, right, 221 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 1: the energy you get from a group of people, Like 222 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily love to be in shoulder to shoulder 223 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: crowds get pretty claustrophobic, but I definitely love playing to 224 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,679 Speaker 1: a crowd. Always have found a crowd to do something 225 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: in front of where'd you grow up right here, like 226 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: five minutes down the road, and that is you're the unicorn. Yeah, 227 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: you're the unicorn of somebody who grows up here, stays here, 228 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: does what the area is known for, and then it's 229 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: really good at it. It's kind of crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, 230 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: there's a lot of those things along the way, one 231 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: of those four or five steps, it doesn't hit exactly right, 232 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: and you just just find a new path. Maybe you 233 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: leave because or you're burnt out on music because you 234 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: grew up in it the whole time. Yeah, yeah, I 235 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: think that maybe I'm just a little delusional, but I 236 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: just I wasn't and I'm still not gonna accept like 237 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: failing at it, you know. Uh, And I genuinely love 238 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: making music. So to me, it was like that was 239 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: always told my friends in high school. I was like, 240 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm either gonna be famous or homeless, but I'm gonna 241 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: have a guitar in my hand, like and sticking with 242 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,719 Speaker 1: it at times is definitely the hardest, the hardest thing 243 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: to do. But it's the little breakthroughs, like you say, 244 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,719 Speaker 1: you never you never know how close you are to 245 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: like get in the treasure when you're digging through the 246 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: wall and don't quit because the diamonds could be freaking 247 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: right there, right there, and that knowing that just makes 248 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: it impossible for me to stop. You know. You growing 249 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: up and learning like a banjo early on, Where did you? 250 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 1: Where did you see a banjo close to you. I 251 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 1: would watched them on Hea Hall, I would see them 252 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: in a lot of the old But where did you 253 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: see one close enough to go, Wow, this is actually 254 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: a thing people can do. I'm pretty sure it was 255 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: the Opry, Like yeah, second or third grade went to 256 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: the Opery. Love bluegrass, so immediately got the flattened scrugs 257 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: whatever c D. My mom knew I was loving. My 258 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 1: parents are not musically inclined. I'm adopted, so I was 259 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: seeking it out and uh, they got me a banjo 260 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: for Christmas lessons with Rob Jackson strings like the five 261 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: strings scrug style, and um yeah, it probably did like 262 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: two months of lessons. And then he realized that I 263 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: was just watching him and playing with the ear and 264 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: not tabs, so I got fired by him. And then uh, yeah, 265 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: I picked up a guitar. I just tried to teach 266 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: myself stuff I was. I was always drawn to it. 267 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the opera is where I first saw 268 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: banjo though, and I guess being here, you're gonna see 269 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: them in the line. I grew up in Arkansas, we 270 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: did and see the angeo. Nobody played music where I lived, 271 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: but I knew the banjo, but it seemed like a 272 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: fairy tale from watching the opera of my Ground War, 273 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: watching he Haul old episodes of he Hall on like 274 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: Nashville Network or you know whatever it was. Um, so 275 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: do you know if your biological parents had any do 276 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 1: you know? Do you know about them at all? Um? 277 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: I would just imagine that they were music something, right, Yeah, 278 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't know my dad at all, 279 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: and I'm I don't know my family history. My mom 280 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: died and chimmy just the whole thing. But I never 281 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: know my medical history. Like when I go to the 282 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: doctor and they're like, hey, what are you what's your 283 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: medical history? I have? I never know the same, Yeah, exactly. 284 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: And so I but there's got to be something that 285 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: one of them, or two of them, both of them did. Yeah. Yeah, 286 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: because I mean I've just when I was two or three, 287 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 1: there's pictures of me banging pots and putting my own 288 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: little pot drum set together. Um. Yeah, it was felt 289 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: called to do it. I always knew in school that 290 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't going to do anything I was learning in school. 291 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: But what's cool about you two? As you embrace what 292 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: I think artists that are in any genre have and 293 00:15:40,400 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: that is influences in all directions. And I feel like, 294 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: and I'm a bit older than you, but I feel 295 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: like I was lucky enough to be in the first 296 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: era of downloadable music where you could napster happened and 297 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 1: I could take music from anywhere and everywhere, because in 298 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: the past you have to drive the store and there's 299 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: a limited selection based on the region you were in. 300 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: And def right, genres were um a bit more prevalent 301 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: in different parts of the country. So growing up in 302 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: Arkansas ten years before I did, people would have only 303 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: had access to, you know, some pop something right, but 304 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: a lot of country. And I am heavily influenced by country. 305 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: But that being said, I was such a nineties alternative guy. 306 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: I was such a hip hop guy. I was such 307 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: a country guy. So when I came here to do this, 308 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: there was so much pushback on me because I embraced 309 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: all that, even on my show even played it, and 310 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: so they were like, well, no, your country, and I'm like, no, no, 311 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: you don't understand. If you were born like are you're 312 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: a teenager in the early two thousand's late night you, 313 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: this is you. It doesn't matter what format you say. 314 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: You are. You still have all these influences that being 315 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: said about you. Here is a clip of your debut 316 00:16:50,840 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: rap song, Dope Mane Man, What the Dope just got? Yeah, 317 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: I just got paid the one dude I just knew 318 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: would have a few different flavors on the table if 319 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to choose. And I haven't heard Rollo when 320 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm before bub I just do what I do, nothing new, 321 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: trying to cool. All these people want to piece it, 322 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 1: so I would too. You can do both. You can 323 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: do both. Yeah, I tried. I tried. There's nothing that 324 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: in you doing that doesn't make you less country, right. 325 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: I do agree with that. I do agree with that, 326 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: and that us always. And that's the hill that I 327 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: will probably die on because I've been standing on it 328 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: screaming forever that it's okay you can love and be country, 329 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: but also you can have a love for something else too, 330 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: Because again, early two thousand's, late nineties, when music started 331 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: to be able to be consumed from Indy and everywhere, 332 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,119 Speaker 1: we started to be influenced by everything. Yes, yeah, it 333 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: becomes our d NA like uh, the same Christmas, I 334 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: got a banjo, I got the Space Jam soundtrack and 335 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: the rest is history. Like I mean, if you go 336 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 1: through the Space Dam soundtrack, you get introduced to Salt 337 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: and Pepper, jay z R. Kelly Oops, um who else 338 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: you get? You get um, It's like early jay Z 339 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,680 Speaker 1: and then Bugs Bunny but jay Z wrote Bugs Bunnies verse. 340 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: It's like even Bugs got bars on Space Dam soundtrack. 341 00:18:19,760 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: I made a note here on my phone, the Old 342 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: Town Road? What is the what? What? What did you 343 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: do on that song? So? Uh? I hoped wright Mason 344 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: Ramsey's verse, and when the Young Thug and Mason Ramsey 345 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: Park came out, that's right. All I wrote was Earnest 346 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: Old Town Road, and I was like, I know there's 347 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: some okay here is Ernest uh writing for Mason Ramsey, 348 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: who was known as the yodel Kid. Just well know 349 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 1: here you go out up on accounts when the trade 350 00:18:53,240 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 1: may be okay, you ain't Gonald. Did you go in 351 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: with him to kind of walk him through the cadence 352 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: of that? Yes, But this is how it happened. Jake 353 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: Owen and I uh did a verse for fun before 354 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: this opportunity came uh, And then I got a call. 355 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 1: This is like two weeks before this, and I got 356 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: a call from Mason's manager. He goes, Hey, we're gonna 357 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: put out an Old Town Road remix with Thug tomorrow. 358 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 1: Can you come to the studio night? So I go 359 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: to big Louts, like nine o'clock night tonight. I just 360 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: finished dinner with Delaney and I get this phone call 361 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, babe, I gotta go to 362 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: the studio. You're not gonna believe this. So so I 363 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: go in there. It's Mason and me and I. I 364 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 1: wrote a whole new verse for Mason and then we 365 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: FaceTime Little nas X and he was like, uh, what 366 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: about that? Yeah, I wanted to sound more like that 367 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: verse y'all there with Jake Owen, so we pulled more 368 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: from that. The hop up in the rais or got 369 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: a thousand acres that was me in Jake's version, and 370 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: then kept the you know, getty up, you ain't got 371 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 1: no giddy out and giddy out my way. It might 372 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: be my favorite line ever. Whenever you do a remix 373 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: for a song like that, and I know they're just 374 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: the goal of putting out a new version is to 375 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 1: keep streams up because it all ac counts for the 376 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: same song. So if you put a new version of 377 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: it and it still keeps rolling. You as a creator, 378 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 1: do you make much off of that version like that? 379 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: I wouldn't because I wouldn't zero. I made zero. How 380 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 1: if you rite that one's a that one's like a 381 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: whole probably all fair conversation trying to figure out. But 382 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:38,239 Speaker 1: there were so many people involved in that track, bro 383 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: before I even before it even came to my plate, 384 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: Like you owe them money now somehow somehow, but um, 385 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:50,159 Speaker 1: but yeah, I just went with my name on the 386 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: credit because I just felt like, you know, there's times 387 00:20:53,400 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: to pick your battles, well, pick your battles. A song 388 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: on Walker's new album, Walker Hayes Dolorean Yeah, and this one, 389 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: you know it was get a little heat socially. Yeah. Yeah, 390 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: here we go. Let's be in the back seat, you 391 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: accord again. Good look, And I'm not gonna spend the 392 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: whole time doing music. I just want early on to 393 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: give it folks an idea. Were you named after Ernest Hemingway, No, 394 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: my dad is Ernie Ernie Smith, So they went ahead 395 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: and slapped me with the Ernest Ernest Keith Smith is 396 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 1: my full name, Okay, And let's just start from the 397 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: very beginning you grew up in Nashville. Um, you were adopted. 398 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: When did you learn? Uh? I don't remember being told 399 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: I was adopted, So I think it was always just 400 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: it was always known. Uh. I know when I was seven, Uh, 401 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: we adopted my little brother, and my parents like I 402 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: had a gift. I opened it said you're a big brother. Now, yeah, 403 00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: we're going to St. Louis to pick up my brother. 404 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: It wasn't I've always known I was adopted. What what 405 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,719 Speaker 1: part of town do? You grew up in? Forest Hills 406 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: like Ton and Granny White? So in Nashville, Nashville, Nashville, Nashville. 407 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: I I bought the house that my dad grew up in. 408 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: I live in my grandparents house now my parents moved 409 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: back in across the street. So it's like opposite of 410 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: how I grew up is how my son's growing up 411 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: in school? For you, were you a kid that enjoyed 412 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: the learning school part of it? Not at all. No, 413 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: I I enjoyed like the social aspect of it. In 414 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: between periods was when I thrived before school and after school. Um, 415 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: but baseball was like it was baseball and that was it. 416 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: So let's just say you're tent in tenth grade, Like, 417 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: what did what did Ernest or earn? What Keith? At 418 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: that time? You were Keith? Okay, what did Keith think 419 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 1: he was going to do with the rest of his 420 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: life when he was in tenth grade? Music? But I 421 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: didn't know what any of this looked like? Like baseball, Well, yeah, 422 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: that's I knew. I wanted to go play college baseball. 423 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: Pro would have been awesome, but I definitely in my 424 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: mind get done with high school, play college baseball. Uh my, 425 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: my short sided, not reach for the stars, dream was 426 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: to take my dad's coaching position at Lipscomb High School. 427 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 1: He coached there for like forty six years. So I 428 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: was I was like the non dreamer in me, would 429 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that? The dreamer and me was just like, oh, 430 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: I always had a guitar everywhere I went. Well, were 431 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: you known more for in high school as the athlete 432 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: or the music kid or the athlete that played music? 433 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: Because that's the thing. Probably athlete played music. Like if 434 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: you if you ask anybody that played summer baseball with 435 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: they would remember that I was freestyle rapping in the 436 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: dugout in the outfield, like I was always rapping, so 437 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: as much as as much as baseball, awesome music, making 438 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: up songs, clowning on my teammates and stuff. When you 439 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: major opery debut, I think I saw on your Instagram 440 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: and that's pretty recent. Huh yeah, January eight or something 441 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 1: like this year, right, Yeah, when you made your opery debut. Now, 442 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: as someone who grows up, is it it's always gonna 443 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: be awesome? But is it like less of an outer 444 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: body of experience because you've always been here being close 445 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: to it. There's even more because you only ever see 446 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: people come into town that are great and make it. 447 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: It's like aliens arriving get to do it, not people 448 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: that grow up here. Yeah, I think it was like 449 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: more out of body for me because there's like a 450 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: surreal moment I had getting to stand in the circle 451 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 1: when I was about that third or fourth grade age, 452 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: right when I was getting into it, like in between sets, 453 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: set changes. One of one of the girls that played 454 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: for my dad in high school. Her dad was a 455 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: still guitar player in the opera band, so he took 456 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: me to the opery one night and I stood in 457 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: the circle. I was like, I want to do I 458 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: want to do this when I grow up. So getting 459 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: just The next time I stepped in the circle was 460 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 1: when I was playing the Opery, and I still probably 461 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: haven't processed it all the way, like watching videos afterwards, 462 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: but like in the moment I look I think back 463 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: on it, it it feels like one of those dream memories. 464 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: Is like it was a blur. A lot going on backstage, 465 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: but the gravity of like everybody that's been on the 466 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 1: circle and what it means. I try not to lose 467 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: sight of that at all, Um, because I I think 468 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 1: being a country music artist is, like, especially now, it 469 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: was an awesome responsibility to be able to carry the 470 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 1: meaning of country music. Like to me, it's not about 471 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: being redneck or whatever. It's songwriting and storytelling is what 472 00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 1: I think is the coolest part of country music, and 473 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 1: that's what I'm trying to do. And some of the 474 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: best people to ever do it stood right there in 475 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: that circle. And these are all the thoughts I'm thinking 476 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: before I go out on stage. I saw, Um when 477 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: you did Dropprey debut, and so I saw you were 478 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: doing it first because I I produced the TV show, 479 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 1: I helped produce it, and I host it, but I 480 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: wasn't there that night. I think I was maybe shooting 481 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: the show on coach. I don't know what I was doing, 482 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: but I was not able to be there that night. Um, 483 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,679 Speaker 1: and you came out and you did flower Shops and 484 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: Morgan came out with you, right, that brought him out, Okay, 485 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: And then I saw it became a bit controversial. Yeah, 486 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: you know, I've talked about this if you don't want 487 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: to what free What did you feel from that? Um? 488 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: I mean in the moment in the night, it was 489 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: it was awesome. I mean, people in the crowd loved 490 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: it all. My family was there, Um, it was all 491 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 1: special backstage and had a cake for me like it was. 492 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: It's always a very wholesome yea. You feel very welcomed. Yeah, 493 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: you feel like people are rooting for you. I'm proud 494 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: of you. Yeah, totally. So, I mean the best vibes 495 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: that whole night was was awesome. So I I probably 496 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: didn't think too much about backlash of having Morgan out 497 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: with me. But at the same time, that's like my 498 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: brother so and we have the song together, and I 499 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: wasn't gonna not do flower Shops with Morgan at the opera. 500 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: I just felt like, was that ever a thought in 501 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 1: your mind? Like I don't know if some folks will 502 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: get upset or not or do or maybe it wasn't 503 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: Like I don't care. I really didn't. I really didn't 504 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: think about it. I really didn't think that it would 505 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: be um. But I get I get why people were upset. 506 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: But that's okay. Morgan. Morgan need that moment too, Like 507 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: we got to go do our song together at the Opry. 508 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: I think that's awesome. It got some of the specialness 509 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 1: got taken away from it, I think because of that, 510 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: and that's okay. Maybe that's my fault. But whenever I 511 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: came into your podcast, you were you had lured me 512 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: over to a part of the world where you were like, 513 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: let's talk about radio and how thin. And I just remember, 514 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: even before I went into it, I was like, you 515 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: know what, when I talk about this, I always get 516 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: in trouble. There's gonna be a couple of headlines that 517 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,919 Speaker 1: come from this. I'm gonna say how I feel, but 518 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: I know I'm getting my bosses are gonna call me 519 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:56,399 Speaker 1: because it's gonna eventually, And I just knew that I 520 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: was gonna step in it. But it's a step in 521 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: that I was okay with because it's just annoying to 522 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,480 Speaker 1: deal with this sometimes. And then that was what I 523 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: just did to you a little bit, and then we 524 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: move on. But that was my one. But it's all good. 525 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: Now we're even. It's all good, and it's both of 526 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: how we felt about certain things. And they'll probably a 527 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: blogger too that makes a comment out of that, and 528 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: I'll just protection be like, yeah, how does that feeling? 529 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: That's happened to me too? Excesses were screaming down my neck. 530 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: Stop talking about because I think right after why was that? 531 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: Let me remember back to the podcast and I came 532 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: over to your place. Something had happened and I'd gotten 533 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: in a lot of trouble for doing something and you 534 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: brought it up and you're and you had your guy 535 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: over there to come in and ask the question to 536 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: take the heat off of you, which I recognize and go, 537 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: nice move. Yeah, But I wish I might dmember what 538 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: that when I was on this podcast. I don't remember exactly. 539 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: Was it number one, That's what it was. It was 540 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: one we didn't let me tell you that happened on TikTok. 541 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: I got into so much crap and I was like, 542 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: you know what, I only talked about on TikTok. I 543 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: didn't even think about it, and I went over to 544 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: your podcast and it was like, hey, let me ask 545 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: you about that Troubley. I'm like, oh my god, all right, well, 546 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: if we're gonna do it, we're gonna do it. I'm sorry, No, 547 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 1: don't be sorry. Okay, I'm not. When somebody does an 548 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 1: hour long anything, I feel like you get like two 549 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: chances to make the person slightly uncomfortable and they get 550 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: anymore and that you stop and you go, oh, we're good, 551 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: We're good. But that's it. You got me, and I 552 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: was honest about how I felt, and then I got you, 553 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: and you're honest about you, and then we'll move on 554 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: and get something some other stuff. Um, I like this game. 555 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: Was talking to Cain about one Mississippi This Is I 556 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: think it was way before it was a number one song, 557 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: maybe when it was announced as a single, and he 558 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: had mentioned that he met somebody on Instagram and invited 559 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: him him to write or someone that he had never 560 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: met before. It was Kane Levan Gray and Jesse Fraser. Okay, 561 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: so you get into the room with this guy. What's 562 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: the sitch? I mean, pretty pretty Unorthodox's day again, Me, 563 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: Jesse and Kane are hanging waiting on this dude to 564 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,959 Speaker 1: show up and his first time Kine ever met him 565 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: in person too, So like talk about the small talk 566 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: at the beginning of a session. Usually it's up thirty 567 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: or forty minutes. We kind of had the quickest catchup 568 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: of all time. Yo, what's up? Boom boom boom. Levan 569 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 1: sits down. Was he nervous like visibly not visibly? I mean, 570 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 1: do was just ready to hang good hang and uh 571 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: had the idea? Had the title won Mississippi? Jesse I 572 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: think started a track and like I kind of just 573 00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 1: started freestyling with with that title, and Caine was like, yeah, 574 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: Von would throw some stuff out in it. It was 575 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: really nice. I mean, everybody was involved and Lavon was awesome. Dude, 576 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen, you know, like like what mean like 577 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: it does because every freaking song you're talking about, like 578 00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: you know what, we sat down twenty minutes later, I 579 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: bought I bought a seventy four Continental. That happens. But 580 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm talking about like a dude's first day 581 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: in Nashville. He had like his homies and his fiance 582 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 1: hanging out in a van in the parking lot while 583 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: he wrote. It's his first ever legit song right with 584 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: an artist. It gets cut and it goes to radio 585 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: and it's number one. That never happens. That's crazy. Um, 586 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: Now you hope he doesn't think that's normal. No, And 587 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: I mean, dude, I'm pretty sure we told him that 588 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,960 Speaker 1: days like this is not normal. Like me and Jesse 589 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: looked at each other, like after seven years of grinding, grinding, 590 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,160 Speaker 1: getting a cut and Lavon comes in here. But dude, 591 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: talk about now you now you have a job. Now 592 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 1: you gotta go into every room and show up. And 593 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: he's doing it. So what was your first cut? My 594 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: first cut was I can't remember the name of the song, 595 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: but Mils me and Mitchell Timpenny we wrote it and 596 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: Radio Romance cut it. I was like probably two thousand fourteen. 597 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: But then my first cut on like a big album 598 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: was Dig Your Roots Florida, Georgia line. Um, what you 599 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: gotta help me here? Radio Romance. Radio Romance was a band. 600 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:32,239 Speaker 1: There are a band signed to Sony a TV. At 601 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: least that they were. I think they're still signed somewhere. Um, 602 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, I cannot remember the name of that song 603 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: Radio Romance. They're like, you wrote a song, it was 604 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: your first ever cut, and that's how you know somebody 605 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: has too many hit songs or maybe a mixture of both. 606 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: Maybe a mixture of both. Do you watch your song 607 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: flower shops move up the chart? You check in? UM? 608 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: People tell me I try not to. My father in law, 609 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: Delanney's dad. Um. He he wrote Grendy County Auction back 610 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: in the nineties, him and Rich Fagin, and he was 611 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: in the band Bread back in the day. So he's 612 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: an older dude, super chill, and he loves going and 613 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: reading YouTube comments and like keeping up with the charts 614 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: and reading. So he'll he'll text me and keep me 615 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 1: up today. But I don't like watching and looking at 616 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 1: all that. How did you meet your wife? I met 617 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: my wife through her brother, through a mutual friend. UM. 618 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: I came back home after dropping out of college my 619 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: freshman year and texted this dude that I I went to 620 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: high school with I hadn't seen and probably two or 621 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: three years UM, asking him if he had any fruits 622 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,640 Speaker 1: I could have, And he had fruits at my friends studio. 623 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: So I went over there and my friends studio was 624 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: Matt Royer. Um got sidetracked in my head. Okay, So 625 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: I meet meet Matt this night through a mutual friend. 626 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: Matt is like a sixteen year old kid with his 627 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: feet up on the desk working on pro tools, and 628 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, let me pick up a guitar. So 629 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 1: I go in there in like freestyle rap with guitar. 630 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: We kick it. We're hanging out for a while. He's like, 631 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,040 Speaker 1: you gotta meet my dad. So I go back to 632 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: Matt's house meet Rob Royer, Me and him bro down. 633 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:15,880 Speaker 1: Somewhere in the mix, Delaney is in and out of 634 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: the house with her boyfriend, and I was like, she 635 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: had a boyfriend the first time you met her. Yeah, yeah, 636 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: yeah for a while. And I told him I was 637 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: going to marry her one day, told her brother I 638 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: was gonna marry one day. And I kind of told 639 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: everybody within the first week of knowing Delaney, I was 640 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: gonna marry her one day. That boyfriend that she had, 641 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: by the way, was Jake going, Yeah, we were getting there, 642 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,840 Speaker 1: we were getting there. I spoiled it. It wasn't it 643 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: so you but you met her with a boyfriend. How 644 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: quickly did you guys start to see each other. Um 645 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,280 Speaker 1: it kind of. I was pretty respectful with the timing 646 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: because I let it play out. Um. I was sleeping 647 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: on the couch in the studio of the basement. They 648 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: had a house over here all time, and so me 649 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,920 Speaker 1: and Matt would stay up all night making music and 650 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: she was off to her. It was like right at 651 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,000 Speaker 1: the tail end of her senior year of high school. Um, 652 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,919 Speaker 1: I sat with her boyfriend and her dad at her graduation. 653 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: So you sat with her? I mean, let me let 654 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: me picture that you sat with her boyfriend and her dad. Yeah, 655 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: because we were all at the house, like we just 656 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: it was like the animal house. We were just all. 657 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: So we're all going to Delaney's graduation. Um, she graduated, 658 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: they broke up. We all went to St. Thomas because 659 00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: her dad wanted to go look for houses in the islands. 660 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: So we went to St. Thomas. Stayed in this house 661 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: for six weeks. That would be where we probably made 662 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,359 Speaker 1: it official that we were actually out there for six weeks. Yeah, 663 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: no job at all. Stayed out there for six weeks 664 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: and then he found money. Have you could do that 665 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:50,879 Speaker 1: for six weeks? How do you have money? We'll check 666 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,760 Speaker 1: This is where this is where it gets cool because 667 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: when I dropped out of college, my parents said, you 668 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: got a year to figure something out pretty quick. After that, 669 00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: we're in the island for six weeks. Rob finds a house. 670 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: We moved into that house, but he gets us an apartment, 671 00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,919 Speaker 1: like a one bedroom apartment for me and Delaney's brother 672 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: to share. We stay there for six months and I 673 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: get gigs four nights a week. I'm playing, like bar gigs, 674 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: You're playing in the Islands four nights a week. Yeah, 675 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: for for eight months, I was just playing. Yes, I'm dude. 676 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: The Islands is our home away from home. Like, we 677 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: still go to that house. That's you stayed there for 678 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 1: eight months playing gigs in the island, playing gigs, chilling. 679 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: I would. I would fly from the island to American University, 680 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: where Delaney went to college, for one semester. We'd have 681 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: our little conjugal visits, and then I'd go back to 682 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,839 Speaker 1: the island. Yeah, I'd play for enough money to get 683 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: a taxi back, and like we'd split a large pizza 684 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: and a cow zone for a couple of days, and 685 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: you know, free food at the bar and probably one 686 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 1: of the greatest times of your life easily. That's where 687 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: I say I found. I found myself in the Islands, 688 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:59,839 Speaker 1: like breaking the whole Keith Smith thing that I had 689 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,959 Speaker 1: thought I was trying to be all through high school. 690 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 1: This baseball thing, this whole persona I'd built up all 691 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,760 Speaker 1: kind of got washed away and I got to find 692 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,160 Speaker 1: my core self with how much time I just spent 693 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: by myself in the Islands. I've never spent time by 694 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: myself ever really, especially without baseball. And you know, all 695 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 1: of a sudden, I went from like all these expectations 696 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: I thought people wanted me to be because of small 697 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: Christian school, whatever, drama, gossip, Dad prominent and you know, yeah, yeah, 698 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 1: so the there was there was no pressure coming from 699 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,279 Speaker 1: my parents. It was more like, what is everybody gonna 700 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 1: think of me? They already think I'm here just being 701 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: some stoner in in the Islands and throwing my life away. 702 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: But it's like those were the days that solidified what 703 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 1: I'm doing now because I'm playing the fourteen people watching 704 00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: the Broncos game on a TV above my head, and 705 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,880 Speaker 1: I got two more hours of this and and I 706 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,239 Speaker 1: loved it, Like it was like this is what I 707 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: want to do, And now it's like there's no bad room. 708 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,720 Speaker 1: Anytime I means I'm playing a show, it's like nobody 709 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: cares like I've played way worse than this in the Islands, 710 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 1: regardless of what it is you've played. I want to 711 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: play another track from the album this out today. Let's 712 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 1: play Tennessee Queen. Here we Go. This is track two 713 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:50,240 Speaker 1: on the record. Good God good. No more traditional sounding 714 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: of a song. That's why I pulled it here than 715 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: Tennessee Queen. And I play that into in juxtaposition with 716 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,320 Speaker 1: some of this other stuff like dope man yea to 717 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:03,439 Speaker 1: show sorry for moving? Yeah, stop or go home? Okay, 718 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit on my hands, uh, you know, to 719 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:13,239 Speaker 1: to show you know how versatile you are at a 720 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 1: very high level. And I think that song shows that. 721 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 1: So tell me about the song and why you decided 722 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,399 Speaker 1: to put sonically that there. Tennessee Queen song I wrote 723 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: with Jordan Schmidt and the brothers Hunt Yeah, Dan Isbell 724 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,319 Speaker 1: and I think when we started writing it, maybe it 725 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 1: was like party was in mind a little bit, and 726 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,880 Speaker 1: the further I got down the line, I started falling, 727 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: Like before the song was finished, I'd fallen in love 728 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: with it. Um because me and Delanney always talked about 729 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: our our house was built in our kitchen looks strangely 730 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: like grace Land, so we joke about our house piano 731 00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: on Little Graceland. It just became really personal to me. 732 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,759 Speaker 1: I mean, we're both Nashville kids, born and raised in Tennessee. 733 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: Um and sonically, Flower Shops is the centerpiece to the 734 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:09,120 Speaker 1: album content was and and musically, and I just felt 735 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: like I felt like Tennessee Queen was a perfect song 736 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: to have up at the top half of the album, 737 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: setting the tone. Yeah, I loved it. Here's Comfortable when 738 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: I'm Crazy. You and Rodney Lassen wrote this one. I'm 739 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:34,839 Speaker 1: only comfortable and I'm crazy. I'm just kindling. I know, girl, 740 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,280 Speaker 1: my vibe. I like the slow stuff just in general, 741 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:39,920 Speaker 1: like slow stuff all the time. And you know those 742 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,200 Speaker 1: two songs, you know, screamed at me for my personal taste. 743 00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:47,239 Speaker 1: But you know you are for as big of a 744 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,400 Speaker 1: personality as you are, Like you're very tender, I am pretty. 745 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,719 Speaker 1: Since it's pretty pretty, do you find that it's difficult 746 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: to get into a room with other writers? Big strong, 747 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,360 Speaker 1: I mean Rodney Clawson, the strong, successful, manly man of 748 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,480 Speaker 1: a man. Yes, he is. Do you find it's tough 749 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,880 Speaker 1: to get vulnerable when it's too like you know, dudes, 750 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: um no, and with a guy like Rodney. I started 751 00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,320 Speaker 1: writing that song by myself, um and I pulled Rodney 752 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,600 Speaker 1: in because I knew that he would be the perfect 753 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: guy to finish the song with. The way that song started, though, 754 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: was we were sitting at Troubadour and talking with one 755 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: of my buddies, JJ, and we're talking about alcoholism, which, 756 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: by the way, I'm like day nine without alcohol today 757 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,879 Speaker 1: is And I asked, this, is that that you're gonna 758 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,320 Speaker 1: do it forever or you're just doing it to straighten 759 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 1: out a little bit. I have no end goal. I'm 760 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,040 Speaker 1: not like trying to get to a certain spot right now. 761 00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: I'm happy not drinking, okay. Um. But when we were 762 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: talking about it, and at the time I was drinking 763 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:59,040 Speaker 1: and I was describing what it's like two to have that, 764 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: I'd say, Eamon, but you know, you do fight it, 765 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,400 Speaker 1: and it's like you're only comfortable when you're crazy, Like 766 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: being calm is the hardest thing to do with being 767 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: with your thoughts is the hardest thing to do for 768 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: any for any addict. I feel like, you know that's 769 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: the struggle is being alone with your thoughts, and so 770 00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:18,319 Speaker 1: I said the phrase comfortable when I'm crazy, and I 771 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,640 Speaker 1: started a voice note sing it, go back, pick up 772 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: my guitar and kind of get this first verse chorus 773 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,040 Speaker 1: mapped out, texted it to Rodney, was like, yoh, can 774 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 1: we please finish this? And I think like the next 775 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: Tuesday we got in the room and uh, I was right. 776 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: Rodney was the perfect guy because he added his clausen 777 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: is ms on it. And it's when that I think 778 00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,200 Speaker 1: that in Feet want to Run in my two favorite 779 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: songs on the album. Let's play that one then too. Okay, 780 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 1: all right, here we go. This is number four feet 781 00:42:44,880 --> 00:43:03,759 Speaker 1: want to Run Good my feet. Uh, your son has 782 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,800 Speaker 1: an interesting name, Ryman st. Smith. No idea why you 783 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 1: name it that, but we'll move on. Um, he's about 784 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,520 Speaker 1: to be one in April, right, Yeah, tell me because 785 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,800 Speaker 1: you know, I just got married six months ago for 786 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,960 Speaker 1: the first time ever, maybe seven months now, and you know, 787 00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,279 Speaker 1: she's thirty and now we're trying to figure out when 788 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna have our first kid. And I've just dedicated 789 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: most of my life, well all my my my life 790 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,560 Speaker 1: to my career and so but now it's time to 791 00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 1: also do this at some point in the next couple 792 00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: of years. How hard is it to have a baby, 793 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:45,360 Speaker 1: asked Delaney. The to have the baby ridiculous to to 794 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: keep the baby alive? Dude, having a baby puts everything 795 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: else in the right perspective. I hear that, But did 796 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 1: you were you like me? And did you go okay? 797 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: I've a hundred people say that, yeah I am. Because 798 00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,919 Speaker 1: the one thing I would tell everybody, like the wee 799 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,319 Speaker 1: or two after the baby is like all the cliches 800 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: you've heard are exactly right, Like all those cliches, the 801 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 1: way you feel and all that. Um. What they don't 802 00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: talk enough about, though, is the legitimate sleep deprivation, like 803 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: clinically sleep depressed, depressed deprived um and depressed, but deprived 804 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:27,040 Speaker 1: like two weeks in once. Once you're up like every hour, 805 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 1: you know, throughout the night, it gets it's hard. But 806 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: then just when it gets like I can't take it anymore, 807 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: the kid like smiles for the first time. Well, now 808 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm I can do this forever. There's just like there's 809 00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: nothing like your your kid. And for me being adopted, 810 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: not ever really getting to see my DNA in the eyes, 811 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: that that's like another level of like, oh my god, 812 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: your part me and her the person I love the most. 813 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: I got to create a version of myself with like 814 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 1: all the all the qualities I dislike about myself and 815 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: all the qualities I love about her. Like you're gonna 816 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:08,359 Speaker 1: get to be the perfect combination. Now, just I'm gonna 817 00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: try to suck it up. But but the it's just 818 00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,200 Speaker 1: a feeling of love that you can't you know, I 819 00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: can't even describe it. You'll know. Now, put yourself a 820 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,680 Speaker 1: year and a half ago, though, and if someone were 821 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: saying the exact same thing to you, would you go, yeah, 822 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,479 Speaker 1: I believe you, or would you go That probably happens 823 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,080 Speaker 1: everybody else, but I don't think it would happened to me. 824 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: I think it would. I think I would have believed it. 825 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 1: But it's just like you can't fathom the way it 826 00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,879 Speaker 1: feels until you actually feel. It's like you can see 827 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: pictures of the Grand Canyon. That's true, the same type thing. 828 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,880 Speaker 1: Having a kid is like going to the Grand Canyon. 829 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 1: I went to the Grand Canyon and almost died. So 830 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's that's right. That's yeah. It's the scariest 831 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 1: time in my life. That's right. I hated it. So 832 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,480 Speaker 1: I don't like the analogy. Yeah, no, no, no, but 833 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:58,719 Speaker 1: the vast, vastness is indescribable. Yeah, I love it, man, 834 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: And it is hard. It is hard, and it's definitely 835 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: hard on Delaney and having to balance being a dad 836 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,439 Speaker 1: and a husband and traveling and all that. I mean, 837 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,960 Speaker 1: that's where I start to worry. Yeah, it's tough because 838 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm on the road a lot. Ye. You just gotta 839 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: prioritize it and make it. You gotta make it like 840 00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 1: number one, and then everything else comes number two. That's 841 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: the new thing for me. It's like, I'm so self centered. 842 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: Naturally me too. I was about myself in my whole life. 843 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,439 Speaker 1: Just I was just doing me and that was hard enough. 844 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,560 Speaker 1: And I spent thirty years of my life doggy paddling 845 00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: as fast as I could just keep my head above 846 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,319 Speaker 1: water and doing that. There's a sense of well, I'll 847 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: just say, it's a different kind of selfishness. Not that 848 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: I want to keep everything, but I just had to 849 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,920 Speaker 1: worry about me all the time. And so I worry 850 00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: that I'll have a kid and then I'm still gonna 851 00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:52,839 Speaker 1: be so selfish and you'll snap into it. I mean 852 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,480 Speaker 1: the because Delaney Delaney too. She's an artist and very independent, 853 00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: and that's how we've gotten along, get along. We're we're 854 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: both very much doing our own thing. I worry too 855 00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 1: a little bit. And it's interesting you're a new dad 856 00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: and you have a we have a similar background that 857 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,680 Speaker 1: you're kind of ish. I don't like my dad bailed 858 00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: when I was five years old, and I don't know him, Like, 859 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,680 Speaker 1: how do I know that's not in me? Uh, do 860 00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: you feel like you would walk out? No? But I 861 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: don't think he And to be fair, I think he 862 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,600 Speaker 1: was seventeen. My mom had she got pregnancy, is fifteen. 863 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,000 Speaker 1: I think that, Um, he probably didn't think that either. Yeah, no, 864 00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:36,600 Speaker 1: but I mean seventeen two. I also think that. I mean, 865 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,400 Speaker 1: I could be speculating, but you probably have developed quite 866 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,799 Speaker 1: an opposite complex due to that, like very opposite. Like 867 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,399 Speaker 1: I've never had a drink of alcohol, the alcoholism. And 868 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,440 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna be an awesome dad. I think 869 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna love it. This kid kid's gonna have a yard. 870 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: You know, his kid's gonna be all right. Why did 871 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,120 Speaker 1: Ernest k take everything off streaming services so that this 872 00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,279 Speaker 1: could put everything on you know, like there's gonna be 873 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,440 Speaker 1: a time and place and I can't wait to like 874 00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:09,239 Speaker 1: drop a secret SoundCloud link with all the stuff. I 875 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,719 Speaker 1: just wanted it to be as clear as day. This 876 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,279 Speaker 1: is what I'm doing, this is what I'm here for, 877 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,879 Speaker 1: and not to snub my other influences. I just wanted 878 00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: it for people that are going to just digest me 879 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 1: for the first time. I wanted I want this guy 880 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: to be the guy that's shaking their hands, and then 881 00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,880 Speaker 1: once we get acquainted, I'll show you my shoe collection, 882 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,839 Speaker 1: you know, and it'll and maybe when I'm doing an 883 00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,360 Speaker 1: hour and twenty set, there will be a moment for me, 884 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, kick a beat and I'll freestyle or something. 885 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,520 Speaker 1: There will be a time for that. But right now 886 00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:46,839 Speaker 1: it's country music. This format is tough with older listeners 887 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,000 Speaker 1: or people who grew up around older country music listeners 888 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: in that they will they want you to only be 889 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: one thing, and even though they like many things, when 890 00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,480 Speaker 1: they come to you for country, they think you should 891 00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,920 Speaker 1: only be kind tree, which isn't fair. I am a 892 00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 1: consumer as well, and I think I do this in 893 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,080 Speaker 1: other ways too, So I try I try to adjust 894 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,879 Speaker 1: my habits based on what I see um, and so 895 00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: it is especially in our format. I think it's the 896 00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: hardest to do multiple things or multiple types of things 897 00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,160 Speaker 1: in music, and so I agree and understand why you 898 00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: did what you did. But then I look at somebody 899 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,839 Speaker 1: and it's not the same because countries is the hardest. 900 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,319 Speaker 1: But like a machine gun Kelly, who some people only 901 00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,640 Speaker 1: know one for his alternative stuff, my is responsible for 902 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: him going that route too. Why I think that the 903 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,000 Speaker 1: rap the little quick little one to rap battle in 904 00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,960 Speaker 1: a weird way, Dude, I feel like him and him 905 00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,120 Speaker 1: might have ended MGKS wrap career. How you wrap back 906 00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 1: at that so you don't ignore it and hope people 907 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: don't break it up. Do something else? Now, just try 908 00:49:51,239 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: something else. What's happening on the the album was released then? 909 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:04,440 Speaker 1: What it was? Because it's so I was talking with 910 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,399 Speaker 1: a friend of mine is putting out an album it's 911 00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,040 Speaker 1: today as well, and so I'm very close to and 912 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 1: he said, Uh, it's weird now because record day used 913 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 1: to be big party is out. You say how much 914 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,560 Speaker 1: it's sold, or you watched iTunes and you know immediately, 915 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,880 Speaker 1: But now you go here it is and you have 916 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,200 Speaker 1: to sit back and yeah, well you check in some 917 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 1: streams in a week and then months in three months. Yeah, 918 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,400 Speaker 1: it's just not it's like Boom album, Let's go as 919 00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 1: it used to be. Totally. Yeah. I mean I think 920 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,719 Speaker 1: I've warned my album out over the last like as 921 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,359 Speaker 1: soon as I got all the masters back, that's all 922 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,040 Speaker 1: I listened to for two or three weeks, and I've 923 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 1: kind of let it go and I'm ready for it 924 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,440 Speaker 1: to be consumed. And I'm gonna step back for a 925 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,279 Speaker 1: minute and let let what happens happen in flower shops 926 00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,719 Speaker 1: is doing awesome. I love the song. I'm confident with 927 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,239 Speaker 1: every song on the album. It's my favorite body of 928 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,120 Speaker 1: work I've made, and um and yeah, man, I just 929 00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,240 Speaker 1: let the people have it and chill and see what happens. 930 00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: My goal is for one day for an artist to 931 00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,799 Speaker 1: wherever I talk to them, it's here, the radio show 932 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,799 Speaker 1: or whatever platform I'm doing. It's just been a goal, 933 00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,520 Speaker 1: and I don't I never tell an artist this, and 934 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,719 Speaker 1: in my desired heart an artist to come in and go, 935 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: you know what, it isn't my favorite ever done. It's fine. 936 00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 1: I mean, it's still better than other people's, but it's 937 00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:23,759 Speaker 1: not even my favorite. It's not and I'll be honest, 938 00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,759 Speaker 1: not even my most personal you know, I just wanted 939 00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,600 Speaker 1: that happens too, because it should be. It should be 940 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:30,799 Speaker 1: the favorite thing you've ever done. Right, you would agree 941 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,120 Speaker 1: you should be growing every time, or then don't put 942 00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,480 Speaker 1: it out. That's how I feel, unless you just are 943 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,960 Speaker 1: chasing a check if you have some bills to pay, 944 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,279 Speaker 1: Like I get that too, but I would like for somebody, 945 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,719 Speaker 1: you know what, It's fine. I mean, it's not my best, 946 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,399 Speaker 1: but it's but I think people like it. Yeah, it's 947 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,239 Speaker 1: my It's definitely my favorite, and I think it's like 948 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:54,200 Speaker 1: it's the most not the local locals only was an honest, 949 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,160 Speaker 1: honest record too. But my life has just changed a 950 00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,279 Speaker 1: lot since I was chilling on an island and writing 951 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,799 Speaker 1: songs about being on an island. Like the story of 952 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,839 Speaker 1: this album from song one two some other bar is 953 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: the story of a good love almost gone for good 954 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: and like you can it's the love song the Sucker 955 00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:18,440 Speaker 1: for small Town Tennessee queen classic. And then you start 956 00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,400 Speaker 1: to feel that crack that he's battling with the feet 957 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,720 Speaker 1: one around comfortable when I'm crazy, And then he messed 958 00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,960 Speaker 1: it all up flower shops and then did it with you. 959 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,400 Speaker 1: So you're telling me this album is song by song 960 00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: a story. I picked it. Yeah, I put it together 961 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 1: to listen to top to the bottom line. So it 962 00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,040 Speaker 1: is not a record of just good songs you put together. 963 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,680 Speaker 1: It's a record of songs that you have created the 964 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 1: tell a story in chronological order. Yes, yeah, And and 965 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,600 Speaker 1: it wouldn't. It wouldn't intentionally when I'm writing each song, 966 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,279 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about that. Once I put him in 967 00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: a pile and started living with the songs, and the 968 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 1: list kind of started putting itself together as to well, yeah, 969 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: and ending it with some other bar kind of leaves 970 00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,080 Speaker 1: it's a wink to leave the door open too. You 971 00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,879 Speaker 1: could actually play the album backwards and get the same 972 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,200 Speaker 1: kind of effect. Get her back by the end. It's 973 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,320 Speaker 1: like those TikTok's where they jump in the pool but 974 00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:15,200 Speaker 1: it's backward and they come flying out there and there 975 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,040 Speaker 1: in Batman Wolverine, and it's like just like that on 976 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,239 Speaker 1: your podcast being Earnest, What's Well, that's a different animal too. 977 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,240 Speaker 1: And you know, everything you do has a different skill 978 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,600 Speaker 1: set even though they are similar. And I understand that 979 00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,399 Speaker 1: because I'll do stand up and I'll do radio I'll 980 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,759 Speaker 1: do this or TV and they have a microphone, but like, oh, 981 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: I must be the same. It's not really the same. 982 00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: There's just a microphone. There's a communication, but everything is 983 00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 1: different and so but you're communicating a different way songwriting performing. 984 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,840 Speaker 1: What has been different about doing a long form podcast? 985 00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,480 Speaker 1: The hardest part would be new guests, Like I can 986 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: talk for an hour, but the I feel like I 987 00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:00,680 Speaker 1: was really top heavy on my guests, like I've I 988 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,799 Speaker 1: need somebody to help bring me guests, and I guess 989 00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 1: as it grows, but um making time to do the podcast. Also, 990 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,080 Speaker 1: it's like like I'm saying now that I got a kid. 991 00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,640 Speaker 1: When I come home from the road, I got like 992 00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,880 Speaker 1: two days in town. I need to spend family time. 993 00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,520 Speaker 1: So that's why we were talking before you got in here, 994 00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,439 Speaker 1: figuring out when I'm gonna get it back up, because 995 00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,920 Speaker 1: I need to probably take it on the road, and 996 00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,520 Speaker 1: then when i'm that'll help me get guests. I'll be 997 00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: in their city and then I'm not wasting at home 998 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,040 Speaker 1: time to go talking a microphone when I could be 999 00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,239 Speaker 1: you know, you'll be in their city. What do you 1000 00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,920 Speaker 1: mean on tour? No, I get that, but what guests 1001 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:40,440 Speaker 1: are in Tupelo. I don't know, maybe maybe nobody, maybe 1002 00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,080 Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's a solo podcast, but you know, I'm 1003 00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,080 Speaker 1: sure New York in l A. We hit it once 1004 00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,439 Speaker 1: a year somebody. And you can do three. Yeah, while 1005 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,040 Speaker 1: you're up there, Yeah, do three or four. And then 1006 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 1: you have dude selling meet and greets and doing like 1007 00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,640 Speaker 1: a live podcast before the show would be another thing 1008 00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,200 Speaker 1: would be awesome, dude, Q and A's do you find 1009 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,480 Speaker 1: it was easier or harder than you imagined? Oh? Harder. 1010 00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 1: I mean it's definitely harder than I imagine. I thought 1011 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:09,759 Speaker 1: an hour is a long time to talk to like 1012 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: five minutes. When the first couple episodes I recorded just 1013 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,160 Speaker 1: by myself on ableton like board in quarantine and looking 1014 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,800 Speaker 1: out a window talking into a microphone, I thought it 1015 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,719 Speaker 1: had been like thirty minutes and I looked down for 1016 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 1: like seven minutes. This is gonna be a long hour. 1017 00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to have to edit that long pause 1018 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,600 Speaker 1: and start talking. Yeah. But um, I've had a good 1019 00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,400 Speaker 1: time doing it. I mean I've gotten to have, like 1020 00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:36,960 Speaker 1: you have conversations I wouldn't normally have, and get to 1021 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,840 Speaker 1: hang out with people that you know, people are busy 1022 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,759 Speaker 1: especially people I'm trying to have in my podcast. So 1023 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,319 Speaker 1: it's always awesome to get somebody to kill an hour 1024 00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:48,440 Speaker 1: with me. And I've actually made friends because it's a 1025 00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: pretty intimate thing to sit with someone for an hour. 1026 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,600 Speaker 1: And I mean it's rare that you and I even 1027 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,480 Speaker 1: break eye contact over doing this because we're rat tat tat, 1028 00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,000 Speaker 1: we got you gotta go, I gotta go, we gotta 1029 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 1: and so we're filed in here and and it is 1030 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,719 Speaker 1: a professional thing. But by the end of it, you're like, 1031 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,400 Speaker 1: I just made more eye contact with you than almost 1032 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:11,200 Speaker 1: any human ever for an hour straight, especially today. Yeah, 1033 00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,440 Speaker 1: except for my wife. I don't do this for very long, right, um, 1034 00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,839 Speaker 1: but I've made people that I've met doing this. I'm 1035 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: now close friends with I would say close friends with 1036 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,359 Speaker 1: that I wouldn't run into. We spend an hour, get 1037 00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:25,880 Speaker 1: to know each other, and then it's like, hey man, 1038 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,000 Speaker 1: you never around him with a text. Next thing, you know, 1039 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,200 Speaker 1: you kind of also learned someone. Hopefully by listening to this, 1040 00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:34,239 Speaker 1: someone sensibilities and they become a fan hopefully if you think, 1041 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a great platform for long term, um, 1042 00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: for like fans to figure out who the people are 1043 00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 1: not just the music they're hearing. Yeah. That that is 1044 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 1: a great thing too, because it lines up with social 1045 00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,880 Speaker 1: media will which you know, artists you have to have 1046 00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,160 Speaker 1: the social media account to do part of it. This 1047 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,719 Speaker 1: is a fun way for me to like not have 1048 00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,840 Speaker 1: to try too hard on Instagram and stuff to show 1049 00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,239 Speaker 1: my personality. Um, podcasting is just like, all right, this 1050 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,880 Speaker 1: is what this is what it would sound like if 1051 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,880 Speaker 1: I was hanging out with this person and go like 1052 00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,640 Speaker 1: Aldine the Aldine Podcast spilled beer all over myself. I 1053 00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:13,080 Speaker 1: don't know if you saw an episode I was. I 1054 00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:16,080 Speaker 1: had a beer chugging device I was sponsored by, and 1055 00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:18,600 Speaker 1: uh I put it on the beer can and I 1056 00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,920 Speaker 1: was like, all right, this is uh blah, this is 1057 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,360 Speaker 1: how this works. Popped it and dud. The entire beer 1058 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,000 Speaker 1: fell all over me and we died laughing. And that 1059 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,920 Speaker 1: was probably the greatest bonding moment of the whole podcast. 1060 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,200 Speaker 1: I destroyed myself a beer. We've about two minutes left here. Um, 1061 00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,600 Speaker 1: a couple of questions. Okay, I'm gonna do all your 1062 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:42,160 Speaker 1: promo again. I read question for Earnest Oh, let's go. Okay, Um, 1063 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,840 Speaker 1: what is your favorite song you've ever written? And also 1064 00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 1: has there ever been a song that you wrote that 1065 00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,280 Speaker 1: someone else cut that later you wished you would have 1066 00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,640 Speaker 1: taken for yourself. Good question. Favorite song I've ever written? 1067 00:57:56,680 --> 00:58:00,880 Speaker 1: It might be feet want to Run and which we 1068 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,360 Speaker 1: played earlier. Yeah, and and favorite song or a song 1069 00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,760 Speaker 1: that I wish that maybe I hadn't given away? Um 1070 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:15,800 Speaker 1: Mason Ramsey's Old Town Old Tower. Uh, tight rope the 1071 00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,760 Speaker 1: Zane ended up putting out I wrote with David Ryan Harris. 1072 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 1: It was like, Wow, that was fast. Were so prepared 1073 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,120 Speaker 1: you think it? We had the AI that's crazy. Uh yeah, 1074 00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,480 Speaker 1: that that's when I kind of wish I kept for myself. 1075 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 1: But I don't know if it would have been the 1076 00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,960 Speaker 1: same or made a project. I just liked my voice 1077 00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:42,040 Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, big shoe guy, I like shoes. Yeah, 1078 00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,600 Speaker 1: my that was a metaphorical shoe collection I was referring to. 1079 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like all my genres, but I do like shoes. 1080 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:49,880 Speaker 1: But you wouldn't have made again, you wouldn't have used 1081 00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: that metaphor just got some off whites oh nice? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, 1082 00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:58,439 Speaker 1: I got the mules here yo? What or the hum Yo? 1083 00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: These are crazy? They're basically these are the hardest shoes ever. 1084 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,680 Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, you messed the heel up, but 1085 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:11,240 Speaker 1: there is no heal, there is no Those are badass 1086 00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,360 Speaker 1: bobby bones. I love a slide in the summer, but 1087 00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 1: this is my winter slides, tennis slides, and so I 1088 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 1: rocked though I got a couple of they look like 1089 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,600 Speaker 1: tennis shoes. You weren't where we want jeans, pants, whatever. 1090 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:26,840 Speaker 1: I also am a big shoe guy myself. I couldn't 1091 00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,160 Speaker 1: afford shoes growing up. Now it's like the things we 1092 00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:34,160 Speaker 1: couldn't have we want. Yeah, So it's like that's that's, 1093 00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,680 Speaker 1: you know, creat and it's also a way to um 1094 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:45,360 Speaker 1: creatively have fashion, creative expression. We're a non wrinkled shirt dude. 1095 00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,440 Speaker 1: Throw a nice pair of shoes on with any outfit. 1096 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,800 Speaker 1: It's a here's and I'll leave you with this. That's 1097 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:53,120 Speaker 1: a good comment there. I was with my wife and 1098 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:58,320 Speaker 1: she's really big into fashion. Um, she was a she 1099 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: did commodity sales for oil and gas and was an 1100 01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: like engineer. But there's no reason for her being FasTIS 1101 01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,080 Speaker 1: she just loves it. But she's so into fashion and 1102 01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:11,480 Speaker 1: she like, we'll pick out stuff. I don't know what 1103 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 1: she's doing. She picks out stuff. She looks great, and 1104 01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,480 Speaker 1: she's got she wears this kind of pants and whatever. 1105 01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,160 Speaker 1: And so we're out, we're walking. We're in Las Vegas, 1106 01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,240 Speaker 1: and our flight are the something broke and so we 1107 01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:24,120 Speaker 1: had to stay back an extra day. And I'm in 1108 01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:28,960 Speaker 1: a T shirt that's like the next ripped a little bit, 1109 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:31,240 Speaker 1: it's wrinkled. I've got a pair of razorback gym shorts 1110 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 1: on that are probably a little too short. I've got 1111 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,120 Speaker 1: these shoes on. I mean, I look like a garbage can. 1112 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,600 Speaker 1: And she looks perfect. And we go into a store 1113 01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:43,680 Speaker 1: and the guy comes up to us. It's like, oh 1114 01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:48,400 Speaker 1: my god, you're fashion. And I'm like I'm like, yeah, 1115 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,080 Speaker 1: it is. And he's looking at me and he thought 1116 01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,720 Speaker 1: that the garbage I had put together was on purpose. 1117 01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:57,960 Speaker 1: And I took it and I was like thank you. 1118 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: And she was like, what is happening, dude? She goes, 1119 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,080 Speaker 1: those are the clothes on the ground you wore yesterday. 1120 01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:07,800 Speaker 1: I was like, I know. Apparently I'm a fashion stop fashion, 1121 01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,760 Speaker 1: look it up. Yes, um, okay, here we go. Let's 1122 01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,240 Speaker 1: let's let's do it. Flower shops the album out today. 1123 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,680 Speaker 1: You're gonna love it. I'm telling you're gonna love it. 1124 01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,080 Speaker 1: I enjoy it. I don't always not you I'm talking 1125 01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:22,480 Speaker 1: about your stuff, but I don't always so I don't 1126 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 1: say it. But most times I'm just like, hey, there's 1127 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,960 Speaker 1: a project out there, and everybody check it out. I'm 1128 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 1: a big fan of what you do and in many 1129 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,680 Speaker 1: places thank you. So I hope people check out flower 1130 01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 1: Shops the album, Um, Flowershops, the song is just blowing up. 1131 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 1: You're gonna have no choice but to hear that. Um. 1132 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,720 Speaker 1: So that's the first thing. The second one is I 1133 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,520 Speaker 1: want people to check out your podcast. And there's so 1134 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,360 Speaker 1: many their episodes you can go and like, you know, 1135 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 1: listen to a few weeks. You got plenty up there. Um. 1136 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,760 Speaker 1: I enjoy doing your podcast and I don't really enjoy 1137 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,320 Speaker 1: doing that stuff for the most part. Well, I'm glad 1138 01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,040 Speaker 1: you did. I mean, you just hit me on d M. 1139 01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,360 Speaker 1: It was lit in his d and it went into 1140 01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,360 Speaker 1: my and and I never checked my general and for 1141 01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,400 Speaker 1: some reason, I was like, let me look over my 1142 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,280 Speaker 1: general see if and I saw yours and I was like, 1143 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:09,880 Speaker 1: you said, hey, you want to do the podcast blue 1144 01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:12,680 Speaker 1: chet goes a long way? Yeah, And I reply back, 1145 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,040 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, sure, that's let's set it up. 1146 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,480 Speaker 1: It was it was that easy. No, no, pr No, 1147 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 1: we just did it. It was it was awesome. I 1148 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,440 Speaker 1: got in trouble after that interview. I just want to 1149 01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,480 Speaker 1: say that one more time. UM, so it might be 1150 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:31,680 Speaker 1: even yeah fair? Um? And then is there anything else 1151 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,320 Speaker 1: I don't want that I wanted to promote on you. 1152 01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:35,800 Speaker 1: I feel like there was. You can go to at 1153 01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:39,400 Speaker 1: Ernest by the way, his instagram. Are you shows, Yeah, 1154 01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm just official website, Yeah, Ernest official all the shows 1155 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:47,000 Speaker 1: around there, finishing out the tour of Chris Lane. Uh, 1156 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,800 Speaker 1: playing festivals and stuff this summer, doing some shows in 1157 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,600 Speaker 1: the Dangerous Tour. I'll pull the all pretty part if 1158 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:57,120 Speaker 1: you want. Is this all fair? Yeah? What do you 1159 01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,320 Speaker 1: think I would like? You didn't say anything at all. 1160 01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,640 Speaker 1: It was controversy. You didn't leave it. But I'm happy 1161 01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:04,640 Speaker 1: and if we don't pull it, I'll leave this into 1162 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm happy to pull it if you're uncomfortable with it, 1163 01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:10,560 Speaker 1: because I never want anyone to come in and feel 1164 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,320 Speaker 1: uncomfortable for any reason. Why. And I wouldn't even ask 1165 01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,560 Speaker 1: you that question if I thought it was going to 1166 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,919 Speaker 1: go to a place that would get anyone in trouble. Yeah, 1167 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,560 Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, I said, well, how I 1168 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,919 Speaker 1: honestly feel. I hope it doesn't get taken the wrong way. 1169 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,880 Speaker 1: I don't, Mike, do you think it could? I was listen. 1170 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,840 Speaker 1: I don't even think it could be interpreted the wrong 1171 01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,919 Speaker 1: way because I made notes. I don't think so. Yeah. 1172 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:32,720 Speaker 1: I think the only thing is me saying I didn't 1173 01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,560 Speaker 1: think about it, you know, because I didn't think about 1174 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,600 Speaker 1: the backlash that would come with it, which probably would 1175 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,240 Speaker 1: get me in trouble in the first place for not 1176 01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,680 Speaker 1: thinking about it. Oh, if you're worried about you not 1177 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: thinking getting you in trouble, I think that's that that 1178 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:51,640 Speaker 1: already happened. But if you feel like, hey, let's pull it, 1179 01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,640 Speaker 1: let me know. I'm happy to pull it. I personally, 1180 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,120 Speaker 1: I know, because like me, when I left yours, I 1181 01:03:57,120 --> 01:03:59,360 Speaker 1: was uncomfortable and I was like, oh no, I'm gonna 1182 01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,479 Speaker 1: get kicked in the ball for that. But I thought, 1183 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:05,240 Speaker 1: you know what I meant what I said, and if 1184 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,240 Speaker 1: something comes of it, I'll do it again. I'll say 1185 01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:10,720 Speaker 1: it again. So if you do feel like I don't 1186 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,919 Speaker 1: like that very much, just hit Mike up. We're happy 1187 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,920 Speaker 1: to pull it because I never want you to come 1188 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:18,640 Speaker 1: here and feel like, yeah, so because because yeah, you know, 1189 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,479 Speaker 1: I didn't even feel corner until after it happened. Here. Yeah, 1190 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:29,439 Speaker 1: it already happened, okay, So let me know. I'm happy, 1191 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:31,360 Speaker 1: happy to take it out. I think I did really well. 1192 01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,080 Speaker 1: I think I did okay with it. There is nothing 1193 01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,240 Speaker 1: that you did that we'll get you in trouble, okay. Um. 1194 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:41,240 Speaker 1: So the only thing that if I were you, i'd 1195 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:43,840 Speaker 1: think twice about was you going it took some of 1196 01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:45,400 Speaker 1: the shine off of it, but you were being honest. 1197 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,200 Speaker 1: That's honest, that's honesty. That's not you saying any in controversial. 1198 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,320 Speaker 1: So think about it. If not, we're leaving all this 1199 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,600 Speaker 1: up too, okay. Um, so big fan, thank you, thanks 1200 01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,720 Speaker 1: for having me on here. Keep doing the deal. I 1201 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,960 Speaker 1: obviously have to go. But the last time that I 1202 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,040 Speaker 1: saw you, I walked into a restaurant and you were like, hey, 1203 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:09,520 Speaker 1: what's up. I was like, what up? Yeah? And then 1204 01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:11,600 Speaker 1: you're like Jake oh and sitting over there because I 1205 01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:13,240 Speaker 1: guess you and Jake know each other. Yeah, I was like, 1206 01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,040 Speaker 1: I know I'm going to eat with them? Yeah, And 1207 01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:16,720 Speaker 1: was that like the first time y'all had hung out 1208 01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,280 Speaker 1: or okay? Okay? And then I went and sat down 1209 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:21,920 Speaker 1: with them. He goes, Ernest is over there, and I 1210 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,520 Speaker 1: was like, I know, well, it's funny because I was 1211 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,160 Speaker 1: I was gonna send you all a bottle, and then 1212 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,440 Speaker 1: realized neither of y'all were drinking a wasted bottle. Are 1213 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,240 Speaker 1: going to talk to an all right,