Speaker 1: Breakfast Club interviews, the VLAD interviews, and I was pissed
Speaker 1: off at VLAT because he chopped my interview up. He
Speaker 1: didn't do that with Mark Lamond Hill or the other scholars.
Speaker 1: He played they interview flat. Why not just play mine flat?
Speaker 1: Don't sensationalize my content unless you're going to put it
Speaker 1: in a way where you leading credence to the message.
Speaker 1: But he was. He was turning into some fuck he's
Speaker 1: my friend clickbait and I didn't like him for that.
Speaker 1: So then his people hit me up, they said, well,
Speaker 1: let's come back, let's do another one. I fell back
Speaker 1: on that, you know what I mean, because I didn't
Speaker 1: come on there for that. I came in there for
Speaker 1: a grown man interview, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 1: but I think those interviews show the power structure that
Speaker 1: you can't give him mainstream attention because it goes viral.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm telling you the way it went, the
Speaker 2: way the ripple effect was crazy, man, Like you said,
Speaker 2: it was everywhere, like you said, yeah, man. The only
Speaker 2: thing you know, because like I don't give a damn
Speaker 2: because it needs to happen, like you have to be
Speaker 2: on these platforms that we need to build some other
Speaker 2: ones that you need to be on because those interviews
Speaker 2: are more important than Charlemagne asking somebody about who punched
Speaker 2: him in the face and why, Like, I like that too,
Speaker 2: But it's it's an interesting thing over there with Charlemagne
Speaker 2: that I'm noticing.
Speaker 3: He has this guy he does a podcast with name
Speaker 3: Andrew Show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who came at me? A bunch a couple, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got it. I saw one joint, but he's been coming.
Speaker 2: He's and what he's saying, he's saying like and the
Speaker 2: ship he's saying, and it's it's.
Speaker 3: Not a Nuance Hitler, the black Trump, the black Hitler
Speaker 3: like this, And I'm thinking myself, like.
Speaker 2: The dude, listen and if I play it to you're
Speaker 2: gonna be like, what the what's up with this?
Speaker 1: The one I saw was it was too intense for
Speaker 1: somebody I don't know and never had a cross off with.
Speaker 2: But Charlemagne because that's his friend. I don't think Charlemagne
Speaker 2: understands what he's doing. Unconsciousness. He's given this guy because
Speaker 2: they sit down and talk every week about black culture.
Speaker 2: He's given shots because I've watched podcast, I've watched shults.
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of shows, but I've watched him garner
Speaker 2: enough nuts to start to even say these kind of things.
Speaker 2: You see what you say, He's too comfortable because of Charlemagne.
Speaker 1: He too comfortable.
Speaker 2: Without that podcast with Charlemagne, I don't see him speaking
Speaker 2: on black culture. I don't see him even doing these
Speaker 2: things I've I've listened to Charlemagne explained to him things
Speaker 2: without enough information, like for the black experience.
Speaker 3: He might just say, hey, man, what's up with the
Speaker 3: guy's doing this?
Speaker 2: And Charlemagne, for the sake of content, is pulling his
Speaker 2: leg and just you know, shits and giggles.
Speaker 3: But this guy's.
Speaker 2: Forming a your opinion, not only on you, but on
Speaker 2: black culture, on rappers, on hip hop, on like without Charlemagne,
Speaker 2: Andrew Schultz is and who he is. Charlemagne comes from
Speaker 2: the breakfast club. He brings all of us to his podcast,
Speaker 2: which you're there saying stuff here and there, we take
Speaker 2: a liking or not, or we just now recognize.
Speaker 1: Who you are.
Speaker 3: But this is a weird thing.
Speaker 2: And I wonder, and I want to ask Charlemagne that
Speaker 2: I wonder if Schultz has affected the way he looks
Speaker 2: at you, because I know that he's he was impressed
Speaker 2: with you, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: And I would say that because we do texts from
Speaker 1: time to time. When I hit him up on a
Speaker 1: fourth interview, he was all for it. We just didn't
Speaker 1: make the ends meet. Here's what I'm gonna say about Charlemagne,
Speaker 1: not to defend anything that it's indefensible, right of course,
Speaker 1: but I would say that having met him, he's a
Speaker 1: lot more conscious and concerned about the state of the
Speaker 1: race than I would have thought before I met him.
Speaker 2: And see I thought that too, and I think that
Speaker 2: but twenty nineteen, see back when that when I saw
Speaker 2: the brother Polites and the doctor Umar's and the Pharra
Speaker 2: Khans and then going out to Fara Kahans spot. And
Speaker 2: even in this regular conversation he references Umar, he references
Speaker 2: this is gone away. Like I watched these guys because
Speaker 2: I'm a student of the game. And so what what
Speaker 2: confuses me is that I know one hundred percent because
Speaker 2: those episodes that you catch clips of when they talk
Speaker 2: about Umar Johnson, I catch the whole thing.
Speaker 3: So I listen and I see that.
Speaker 2: Shots gets him in a place where like, and I'm
Speaker 2: gonna ask you to speak about this because this is
Speaker 2: the thing that he held on and he kind of
Speaker 2: he kind of stumped Charlemagne.
Speaker 3: Charlomagne didn't know what.
Speaker 2: To say the whole thing about the bank loan, like,
Speaker 2: you can't right, you can send him back if he's Asian,
Speaker 2: you can send him back if he's so. Andrew Shoultz
Speaker 2: point was, that's the Oumar Johnson is a crock of shit.
Speaker 4: Well, listen, listen, listen.
Speaker 5: Hell, you can get a carlo, but you can't get
Speaker 5: a business loan.
Speaker 4: He's talking to black people.
Speaker 1: The education is going to.
Speaker 5: Cost me one hundred grand, The car is going to
Speaker 5: be about seventy grand. The house is going to be
Speaker 5: a quarter of a million. Why do you approve that?
Speaker 5: But you don't approve the business loan, which is probably.
Speaker 4: For half the amount.
Speaker 5: Because if I finance your empowerment, that disrupts my system
Speaker 5: of extermination in genocide, you cannot killing people who you
Speaker 5: are financially empowering till we are chat without access to well.
Speaker 5: Thats why the hood is full of mom and pop stores.
Speaker 5: That's why the hood is full of struggling businesses, because
Speaker 5: America has a policy where you do not empower black
Speaker 5: people for their own benefit.
Speaker 4: Any other minority.
Speaker 5: Yes, why because if they get out of hand, they
Speaker 5: could be sent home. The black men cannot be sent home.
Speaker 5: Slavery is over and as old than in America. America
Speaker 5: was born on July fourth, seventeen seventy six. Slavery in
Speaker 5: the collegies begin on August the twentyeth sixteen ninety.
Speaker 1: You could get a.
Speaker 4: Student, Chris, I disagree with that a lot. Actually, I
Speaker 4: actually I have a little bit of experience.
Speaker 6: Can I just respond to one thing and then because
Speaker 6: I want to, I want to tell you, okay, first
Speaker 6: of all, you first of all, it just I really
Speaker 6: get upset at these types of people because they just
Speaker 6: take advantage of people that aren't that aren't intelligent, and
Speaker 6: they speak well, and they take advantage of fear, they
Speaker 6: take advantage of anger.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: There are black people that go through racism every single
Speaker 6: day and they feel angry about it, as they should, right,
Speaker 6: and they feel they feel just just wronged by society,
Speaker 6: and they need any and they need a rationale for
Speaker 6: those feelings. And this guy comes in, and he comes
Speaker 6: in and he goes, Oh, I got you. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: make money off of your anger. I'm gonna make money
Speaker 6: off of your fear, and I'm gonna give you the
Speaker 6: perfect solution. I'm gonna give you a nice, big, bad
Speaker 6: guy for you to believe in. That's the cause of
Speaker 6: all your problems. And I'm gonna tell you some real
Speaker 6: sexy shit, and I'm gonna bring off the DSM four
Speaker 6: psychology Bible and tell you why it justifies all my
Speaker 6: bullshit bigoted as opinions.
Speaker 4: So when it comes to.
Speaker 6: When it comes to this loan right here, when it
Speaker 6: comes to this loan she's talking about here.
Speaker 4: How is it do you could get a loan for
Speaker 4: a house, but you can't get a loan for a
Speaker 4: small business.
Speaker 2: So this is what he's saying, right He says, you
Speaker 2: can't send an Asian back, that's an American. You can't
Speaker 2: send uh these people back if they're Americans.
Speaker 1: Also, he says, did they not put Asians in internment
Speaker 1: camps in World War Two? Who are American cities? They
Speaker 1: put them in concentration camps American Asian Americans. They put
Speaker 1: him in a tournament camps, throwing World War two right
Speaker 1: here in this country.
Speaker 2: See and that seat Charlemagne or myself don't have that information. Schultz,
Speaker 2: on the other hand went to school of Braa on
Speaker 2: and stuff, so easy has a little bit more understanding
Speaker 2: of some of these things. So he's able to corner
Speaker 2: Charlemagne and kind of put him in a place where,
Speaker 2: hey man.
Speaker 1: You know where he wouldn't be able to do that
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Here's the only reason why I haven't debated him. I
Speaker 1: need to make sure that I get more out of
Speaker 1: it than him, for reasons. You just said he's benefited
Speaker 1: from Charlemagne's platform, Right, I have a very strong following. Right,
Speaker 1: I can't afford for him to benefit from mine. You understand,
Speaker 1: because the European is all about exploitation. Even there's an
Speaker 1: agenda behind him wanting to debate me that supersedes his ego.
Speaker 1: It's financial, it's political. You follow what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: don't know who he connects it. To give me the
Speaker 1: full plate. Let me see exactly what you're about. If
Speaker 1: he can't, I if shults call me right now and
Speaker 1: said I wanted to debate you, and I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you a million dollars to restore your school, let's get
Speaker 1: it popping. I'm ready, let's go, let's go. But I
Speaker 1: am not going to debate a no Namer because for me,
Speaker 1: he's a no Namer. I never knew any before Charlotmage.
Speaker 1: I'm not wasting no time with no no Namer if
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get something out of it, even if
Speaker 1: he pull up a half meal quughtermel, I'm ready to have.
Speaker 1: I don't need no prep. Let's go. But if you
Speaker 1: think I'm going to give you the benefit of my following,
Speaker 1: my platform, my position, and I ain't getting nothing out
Speaker 1: of it, but the conversation with a nobody.
Speaker 3: And see and and and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I almost think, and I want to talk to shows
Speaker 2: two and I'm asking the tough questions ause he needs
Speaker 2: to be asked.
Speaker 3: But but I seem tarka she do it with it.
Speaker 2: I didn't know they had a conss man and he
Speaker 2: sat him down and just he just kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: fuck fucked.
Speaker 7: Him much for joining us pleasure.
Speaker 6: I listened to you on tax yesterday. You are talented.
Speaker 6: I don't say that about anybody. I don't know if
Speaker 6: you listened to this podcast, but I'm very seldomly bestowed
Speaker 6: a compliment on people. You have a gift. You're a
Speaker 6: great communicator. Very very good communicator. And I'm listening to
Speaker 6: this episode. I wonder, and I mean this when I
Speaker 6: say you are a gifted from communicator, And I wonder
Speaker 6: if you suffer from a lack of competition.
Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 4: I wonder if you know how like Jordan.
Speaker 6: Needed the Pistons to reach peak Jordan, you know, and
Speaker 6: like Magic and Bird needed each other. And you know,
Speaker 6: all greats need somebody to push them to expose their greatness.
Speaker 6: And I wonder if you are so good at at
Speaker 6: at kind of at making arguments seem completely understandable, completely
Speaker 6: believable that the person that you're arguing with.
Speaker 4: Challenging you enough.
Speaker 8: And I felt and I felt like and I remember
Speaker 8: thinking in certain ways, like when you were talking about
Speaker 8: white supremacy, I was like, are you is this.
Speaker 4: I don't know, I explained it.
Speaker 6: Are you blinded by white supremacy in terms like where
Speaker 6: you're missing the maybe the actual.
Speaker 4: Root cause of an issue?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 7: Blinded? That's interesting.
Speaker 4: Blinded meaning like like you're so committed to proving.
Speaker 6: White supremacy, which we which we can absolutely acknowledge in
Speaker 6: certain in certain instances, is the indicator is the root
Speaker 6: cause in certain in certain but I think in other
Speaker 6: ones it might not be what happens.
Speaker 7: A lot of times people put black folks in token
Speaker 7: positions and say, hey, there's a black guy right there,
Speaker 7: so there's no white supremacy. There's a two black kids
Speaker 7: going to that school, so it's not segregated, no white supremacy,
Speaker 7: it's integrated because there's two black people right there. You see,
Speaker 7: integration is a is a trick word. It's white supremacy.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm saying.
Speaker 6: You said, if there's one or two, it's a token.
Speaker 6: So I'm going, what percent of representation does it become
Speaker 6: not a token but in fact the exact representation that
Speaker 6: should reflect of the population.
Speaker 7: When there's equal treatment and equal resources for the group
Speaker 7: function of white supremacy that they're doing so well here, Yeah,
Speaker 7: because they're allowed to Other people are allowed by the
Speaker 7: white supremacists to prosper over Black Americans here because these.
Speaker 4: Meetings I'm missing.
Speaker 1: Well see that's the thing.
Speaker 3: Meetings all over.
Speaker 7: It is all over, y'all won't tell.
Speaker 1: Us this is what we have to.
Speaker 7: Suspect people that Nigerian money. That's why we have to
Speaker 7: suspect certain people, the white supremacists. These meetings are all over.
Speaker 1: But y'all not.
Speaker 7: Telling us who's y'all I'm not being you.
Speaker 1: Know, somebody who knows what a wretch I can going
Speaker 1: to the Jerry doctors, a dentist.
Speaker 7: That's the thing they're allowed. They're allowed.
Speaker 6: Why would a white supremacist allow a black Nigerian to
Speaker 6: receive such wealth and privilege.
Speaker 7: Because they can take that wealth and privilege right away
Speaker 7: if they want to. Anytime. They can deport them. They
Speaker 7: can send them back over to Nigeria from the hell.
Speaker 7: You can't absolutely if you are black, if you're for
Speaker 7: you from another country. We're talking about immigrants here, they
Speaker 7: can find a reason to deport you. They's an immigrant
Speaker 7: from where?
Speaker 4: From Scotland?
Speaker 1: Okay, well she's white, that's different.
Speaker 7: But black immigrants, I don't say that, not coming, no,
Speaker 7: no, no no, I didn't say that. But okay, but we're
Speaker 7: black people. Cant them with black people. Well they're doing
Speaker 7: that now with Syrians. All they have to do is
Speaker 7: say you're a terrorists, you're connected to ices. They can
Speaker 7: make up anything. You're connected with Boko Haram. They could
Speaker 7: make that up. And you have no proof you have
Speaker 7: ebola from Nigeria.
Speaker 9: So you're gonna have to go back because they're connected
Speaker 9: to Bokohama and for people who are familiar around bokham
Speaker 9: is a terrorist organization with links of ISIS that is
Speaker 9: operating in Nigeria right now and it's displaced thousands of people.
Speaker 6: Really scary ship. But who have they sent back because
Speaker 6: as far as my understanding.
Speaker 1: This.
Speaker 7: The but but the thing is, I'm giving you an example,
Speaker 7: and they've never said anything. I'm getting They won't let
Speaker 7: people over. They'll say, well he can't. It's different than
Speaker 7: send back to Rika. But I'm just giving you. I'm
Speaker 7: just giving you an example of what they can do.
Speaker 7: They can do anything.
Speaker 4: This is why you're good.
Speaker 7: I'm giving you an example, giving you a ship. I'm
Speaker 7: giving you an example.
Speaker 2: What they can do, like you know, I mean shows No,
Speaker 2: she was saying great things. But Shoults he's a comedian,
Speaker 2: so you have to know. It's it's mannerisms and the
Speaker 2: way he's able to present things. He can make it
Speaker 2: seem away. But you have that too without being Serrik
Speaker 2: is just kind of sitting there. He's not a scholar star,
Speaker 2: so they go with the right supremacy, you know, So
Speaker 2: he's not and he's he don't.
Speaker 3: He may not even know how.
Speaker 2: We look shouts drilling at him, and you see the titles.
Speaker 3: That shots put up.
Speaker 2: He Charlemagne somewhere in his mind, this is this is
Speaker 2: on his mind. He's a cancer. I know it's on
Speaker 2: his mind somewhere. He may not ever speak about it.
Speaker 2: But this guy is getting out of I mean he's
Speaker 2: doing it and he's still at it. Yes, he's still.
Speaker 2: He moves it like from you to he he's a contrarian.
Speaker 2: He's turned since you and Tarika the sheet and in
Speaker 2: this whole when he felt this dog he caught strive
Speaker 2: and found a way to kind of go against people
Speaker 2: and get notoriety from he started, he stepped and switched
Speaker 2: his whole ship to now, I'm just a contrarian.
Speaker 1: Right because he's able to get the black views off of.
Speaker 2: That view exactly, and he titles it to get the
Speaker 2: white views like and I think if Charlemagne is not
Speaker 2: paying attention now, but some ship he'll say, you will
Speaker 2: see the title of a video. And this could be coincidence.
Speaker 2: I don't think it is. I think it's by yeah.
Speaker 2: So you will see a title when it'll say something
Speaker 2: like uh uh.
Speaker 3: The brilliant idiot's d bunk racism.
Speaker 2: And he's sitting next to one of our culture's most comedy.
Speaker 1: Right like he co signing that you're sitting next to
Speaker 1: and so.
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking to myself, either Charlemagne doesn't.
Speaker 1: He probably not consciousness.
Speaker 2: You know, Joey Diaz is amazed. They're comedians. They trying
Speaker 2: to figure out.
Speaker 3: You know, how did you start getting these fuse man?
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn dude, you're taking it Voto.
Speaker 3: And so Charlmagne, He's sitting there the whole time.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, man, I was seventeen, you know,
Speaker 2: I started you know, you know, you know, going to
Speaker 2: the comedy club.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: The next thing, you know, I start putting these clips up, and.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's this weird thing that I'm hoping
Speaker 2: because Charlemagne is in a position to put people like
Speaker 2: you in.
Speaker 3: Front of our your you.
Speaker 2: Yes, so in a weird way, and just by conversation,
Speaker 2: I have to I have to lean towards he's being affected.
Speaker 3: Man. I have to just because and I'm not saying
Speaker 3: clip wise.
Speaker 1: I got you.
Speaker 2: I'm talking two and three hours because shots gets him
Speaker 2: in these places and he can't because you don't he
Speaker 2: like he said, I don't have enough information, and like
Speaker 2: he said, like one of the time he told me,
Speaker 2: said about your breakfast club interview. He was talking about
Speaker 2: something and Charlemagne said, dude, I didn't have the information,
Speaker 2: right He's he's this is what he does. He's like, well,
Speaker 2: why didn't he know this or whatever? And I'll let
Speaker 2: you hear it after the interview, just so you can know.
Speaker 2: You don't have a sense of what's going on, but
Speaker 2: you know that that's just that that's something to me.
Speaker 2: It's something there to me, and I'm just trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what stopped umar from being on these.
Speaker 1: Here's where I'm at with it. To your point, which
Speaker 1: is an excellent point, the Roland Martin interview when he
Speaker 1: tried to assassinate my political reputation and I flipped it.
Speaker 1: I think that interview may have hurt me more to
Speaker 1: get other interviews because I did so well with it.
Speaker 1: In other words, the power structure probably said, look at
Speaker 1: what he did. We sent rolling in there with two coons.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna say three because the third brother he
Speaker 1: was all right, but Lauren Berg and Eugene Craig, they
Speaker 1: were coons, Roland Martin and two coons but and Entourager four.
Speaker 1: And they cannot take down doctor Umar. If he can
Speaker 1: do this to Roland, imagine what he'll do to Don Lemon,
Speaker 1: Wolf Blitzer, Conan, You see the Oprah can't if young
Speaker 1: black people see him do on OPRAH or seeing that
Speaker 1: what he did to Roland, that he will become the
Speaker 1: black Messiah. See the serious They never put them on
Speaker 1: mainstream TV. Uh, they never put them on mainstream TV
Speaker 1: unless they know they can control their actions or know
Speaker 1: they have to answer to somebody who can control their actions.
Speaker 1: They put Malcolm on TV, but Malcolm had to answer
Speaker 1: to the Hon Elijah Mhammad, right, And the Nation of
Speaker 1: Islam is not a political organization, so they didn't have
Speaker 1: to worry about them trying to make changes in society
Speaker 1: because they are religious, they're not politically, so they could
Speaker 1: put Malcolm up. Once Malcolm split, he was still on TV,
Speaker 1: but not as much because now he has the freedom
Speaker 1: to do and we don't need him giving our marching
Speaker 1: orders on our show. You see, you gotta watch that.
Speaker 1: The ones who are always on TV, they're not a threat.
Speaker 1: The real ones don't get them. How many times you
Speaker 1: saw h rap Brown Stokely Coma a few times, but
Speaker 1: not on the regular. Don't. Because the worst thing you
Speaker 1: can do to an organizer, some nobody who's organizing to
Speaker 1: undermine your agenda is to give them your platform to
Speaker 1: inform their people about how they can help them undermine you.
Speaker 1: That's why you'll never see me on I think I
Speaker 1: can force it, though, as we continue in this work
Speaker 1: and the power come in the school come, they won't
Speaker 1: have a choice because here's the issue with the white man.
Speaker 1: He has a need for power, but he also has
Speaker 1: a need to get paid. Capitalism and racism works hand
Speaker 1: in hand. The racism says doctor Umar doesn't go on CNN.
Speaker 1: The capitalism says, do you know how many views we
Speaker 1: would get if he one on one with Dyna limits,
Speaker 1: if he does what down what he did with Roland,
Speaker 1: do you know how many views we will get? And
Speaker 1: then the racist comes back and say, yeah, you'll get
Speaker 1: ten million views the first day, But at what costs?
Speaker 1: How many more black youth are going to be woke up?
Speaker 1: How many more black folks are going to go looking
Speaker 1: for him? And that's the balance of the racism and
Speaker 1: the capitalism that the white man has always had to strike,
Speaker 1: which is why with the black comedians, they'll let them
Speaker 1: stretch out a little bit more with political rhetoric because
Speaker 1: they're comedians. They're not organized. But the minute the comedian
Speaker 1: starts saying he wants to organize, they clip him.
Speaker 3: I E. I E.
Speaker 1: Bill Cosby and jail right now because he tried to
Speaker 1: buy NBC. Oh yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: What's the brother that died? Man, I'm losing it. A
Speaker 2: convinced comedian.
Speaker 3: Dick Gregory.
Speaker 1: Dick Gregory shout rest in peace. And he was a good, good,
Speaker 1: good good friend of mine. You know, right before he died.
Speaker 1: I spoke in DC. We were on the same car.
Speaker 1: We spoke about three times together. We did Boston together,
Speaker 1: we did DC together, and we did another city together.
Speaker 1: And the last time I saw him was at a
Speaker 1: d C lecture Black church. Right. Excuse me. He never
Speaker 1: did this before. He waited, he had already spoke. He
Speaker 1: normally go. He waited until I was done outside at
Speaker 1: his age, he waited to talk to me. I'm like
Speaker 1: bothera Gregor. You never wait for me. I mean we
Speaker 1: always been cool, but you never wait. Brother. We spoke
Speaker 1: outside till it got dark. I want to say five
Speaker 1: six kicking it five six out now Mayas. This man
Speaker 1: knew all my heroes personally, medga, personally, knock him personally
Speaker 1: person stokely, int trapped, all minds, and he's telling me, Umar,
Speaker 1: you gotta be careful. But when I look at you,
Speaker 1: I see them you know. And I'm paraphrasing him, but
Speaker 1: it's basically what he telling me. He gives me a
Speaker 1: little tip.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 1: Watch this, watch this, watch this. We only left. We
Speaker 1: would have been out there till the sunrise. We only
Speaker 1: left because his driver said he had to make another run.
Speaker 1: He had to take him home. When he took off,
Speaker 1: brother a lot of you not. I told my brothers
Speaker 1: who was with me, I got chills. I said, I
Speaker 1: don't think he gonna be with us too much longer.
Speaker 1: Him taking that time out to me was symbolic of
Speaker 1: him telling you, I'm passing it. I got to go right.
Speaker 1: I knew all your heroes. This the last time I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see you, and I want you to know that
Speaker 1: you got my back right, You on the right path,
Speaker 1: keep on pushing and you are there real. It was
Speaker 1: almost like he was the go between between knock him
Speaker 1: and me king and me right right. Definitely less than
Speaker 1: thirty days he was gone. And when I went to
Speaker 1: his funeral, I was standing in line because his daughter
Speaker 1: caught me to give me a ticket. My father will
Speaker 1: want you to be here. I'm standing in line to
Speaker 1: go inside the funeral. Pack beautiful funeral, Stevie Wonder. It
Speaker 1: was all that. One of his friends came up to
Speaker 1: me said, I just want you to know that me
Speaker 1: and Bobby Dick Gregory had a lot of long conversations
Speaker 1: about you, and he loved you, doctor Umar, he loved you.
Speaker 1: And I flashed back to that. That's why he took
Speaker 1: them hours with me, because he saw something in me
Speaker 1: that he saw in them. And the message I got
Speaker 1: from him is you ain't got to prove nothing to me.
Speaker 1: I know you real. That's what I got from him.
Speaker 1: You ain't got the proof it to me. I didn't
Speaker 1: walk with the best.
Speaker 3: Can't trick him.
Speaker 1: You can't trick in six hours, man, everybody was gone
Speaker 1: and it was just us. I'll never forget it, man,
Speaker 1: that's electric. I'll never forget it, like going within thirty days, damn,
Speaker 1: and I felt it. I felt I said, why did
Speaker 1: he never did that with me before to take hours
Speaker 1: and just he was just going I wish I could
Speaker 1: have taped it because he was going off the top,
Speaker 1: just giving me all he could give me before he rode.
Speaker 1: He was I got him on my altitude.
Speaker 3: That's real.
Speaker 2: That's real, man, that's d So, So clarify, clarify your
Speaker 2: point on the whole banking thing.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, and that situation.
Speaker 1: Black people can easily get loans for college, cars a
Speaker 1: little tougher, but houses. We routinely are denied loans for business.
Speaker 1: A lot of that is because of intellectual racism or
Speaker 1: what they think we can achieve. But the bigger piece
Speaker 1: of that is what economic liberation. They don't want you
Speaker 1: economically liberated. I'm not going to finance your read them
Speaker 1: when I brought you to America to exploit your labor.
Speaker 1: What I want to financial freedom for When I give
Speaker 1: you the car loan, I'm investing in your debt. Soon
Speaker 1: when you drive that Mercedes off the lot is worth
Speaker 1: half of what it was when I give you that
Speaker 1: house loan, I'm banking on the fact that you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a variable mortgage that they're gonna spike up on you.
Speaker 1: So you're ultimately gonna have to full close on that crib,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna get it back and sell it to
Speaker 1: ten more blackberries. That's a hustle if you're not there
Speaker 1: for a big hustle. You see what I'm saying. College,
Speaker 1: I know that's a hustle because you're gonna spend four
Speaker 1: years in there. That interest is running every single year.
Speaker 1: You're gonna come out. You're gonna have to go back
Speaker 1: and get a master's. You're gonna come out. You have
Speaker 1: to go back and get a doctorate. Before you even
Speaker 1: get your first real job. You owe me quarter mil.
Speaker 1: You see that most of the loans we get are
Speaker 1: four hour continued economic incarceration. The business loan is for
Speaker 1: your liberation. And that's why you can get a two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars med school loan, but you
Speaker 1: can't get a fifty thousand dollars daycare.
Speaker 3: Loan right now. Now, Schultz position on that was.
Speaker 2: With the car loan. The reason it's easier to get
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with race.
Speaker 6: The bank can then take that house and sell it
Speaker 6: to somebody else. Can they take nobody beats the Wiz
Speaker 6: and sell nobody beats the wiz. When that's out of business,
Speaker 6: can they take.
Speaker 4: They take the property?
Speaker 1: Can they take?
Speaker 6: But you don't own the property. When you have a
Speaker 6: small business, you own yours. Yes, you absolutely do own
Speaker 6: your house. You own your house and if you don't
Speaker 6: pay the bills, the bank owns it. But what does
Speaker 6: the bank do with Nobody beats the whiz when they
Speaker 6: don't own the actual brick and mortar. They own property,
Speaker 6: They don't own the property. Do you understand the difference
Speaker 6: between the business and property, because if not, we can't
Speaker 6: have this discussion.
Speaker 4: No, I don't.
Speaker 6: Okay, So business right is Charlotne They got enterprises?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I know that, but are you sure? But if you
Speaker 4: have if you.
Speaker 10: Own a business like as far as like leasing a building,
Speaker 10: renting a building, which most people that's what most people
Speaker 10: get the loans for to get the building.
Speaker 4: Most of the time you need that's not true. I
Speaker 4: grew up in a small business and that's not true.
Speaker 4: That's all the time when I'm for me, when I'm
Speaker 4: trying to thought of a.
Speaker 6: Business startup money, it's more than the two thousand dollars
Speaker 6: a month that you have to spend in rent. What
Speaker 6: do you think, Chris Uh, you're talking as someone who
Speaker 6: grew up innocent.
Speaker 4: I understand these.
Speaker 10: Long My father had a small, a small seafood market,
Speaker 10: so let's let's ask him about what the cost was.
Speaker 11: But I mean, I think he I think he's right
Speaker 11: about systematic economic oppression, but I think he's using an
Speaker 11: incorrect example on my understanding.
Speaker 6: Google the people to believe you, But I could google
Speaker 6: these grants. You can't google the information to back up
Speaker 6: with doctor Martins.
Speaker 4: Google information I told you to, did not?
Speaker 6: You already told me when I got on the phone
Speaker 6: with you, I don't dis You said, I disagree with
Speaker 6: that one thing about sending back the other minds.
Speaker 10: And I said, when it came to the small business loans, yes,
Speaker 10: you can get grants, but I don't know about from
Speaker 10: the banks. You can when you get small business on
Speaker 10: these are banks that I can use. Small's true, that's companies.
Speaker 4: I know that because I have businesses.
Speaker 11: But he's insinuating then he's not out there. And I
Speaker 11: really think the money like Wax should absolutely be able
Speaker 11: to Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 10: Barack Obama allocated one point two billion dollars.
Speaker 6: Obama, that guy who hasn't done anything for black people,
Speaker 6: According to doctor Ruma Johnson, that Barack Obama, Hey, oh
Speaker 6: what what about that one point two billion dollars?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 4: I guess he just forgot about that.
Speaker 6: Well, maybe it doesn't fit his fucking agenda, which is
Speaker 6: give you a justification.
Speaker 4: To give you that heroine you need. You feel shitty.
Speaker 6: I don't give you a justification for your shitty field
Speaker 6: and profit arment.
Speaker 4: He just didn't know.
Speaker 1: It's his job to know.
Speaker 10: Now, really, we don't know his fucking job know everything.
Speaker 10: So why don't you come here with more facts than
Speaker 10: because I ain't every day read because this motherfucker will
Speaker 10: get up here and do exactly what.
Speaker 3: Now you just trying.
Speaker 4: Now, you're just trying to discredit me instead this what
Speaker 4: you do?
Speaker 1: You try to discredit me.
Speaker 4: No, it's a very clever. I'm trying to strategic moves.
Speaker 6: No, No, you try to discredit me from from talking
Speaker 6: about this person that you and I have already had
Speaker 6: a conversation about. He said, specifically in this thing, what's
Speaker 6: the difference between giving people of other minorities in America
Speaker 6: loan to giving black people and loans? Is America doesn't
Speaker 6: want to profit the black man's rise and economic power?
Speaker 4: Not profit.
Speaker 6: They won't want to support it. They will do it
Speaker 6: for Peaple other minorities because they could send those other
Speaker 6: minorities back to their country.
Speaker 4: How listen, how could.
Speaker 3: You do that?
Speaker 4: I don't with that.
Speaker 6: You can't send a Chinese kid that was born here
Speaker 6: back to China.
Speaker 4: I don't agree with that. But you know the reason
Speaker 4: or not it's wrong? Do I think it's wrong? But
Speaker 4: you know the reason I didn't dispute that because I
Speaker 4: didn't know, simple as that.
Speaker 3: How could you not know?
Speaker 4: This is mister constitution. He doesn't know the fact that
Speaker 4: you're born here, you can't get sent back to Chinese.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna look at him as though we don't
Speaker 4: want that. America's two things. I want to make a
Speaker 4: point about that this team me and you is.
Speaker 10: I'm not talking about this issue because now we're talking
Speaker 10: about us. Let's talk about this just me and you.
Speaker 10: I'm not afraid to say I don't know. And if
Speaker 10: I don't know, you know what I do shut the
Speaker 10: fuck up and listen sure, and then I go research
Speaker 10: so the next time i'm w'll prefraid.
Speaker 4: That's number one.
Speaker 10: Number two the reason I tell you too, it's okay
Speaker 10: to say, Yo, you don't agree with doctor Uma, but
Speaker 10: the same things, like he gets up and he just
Speaker 10: runs his mouth and he wants people to believe in him.
Speaker 4: That's what we all did. I didn't say any of
Speaker 4: those things. I didn't. I said, he praise off people's anger,
Speaker 4: and you want people to believe in him, And you said.
Speaker 6: I never said I want people to believe him.
Speaker 4: Of course he wants off of them.
Speaker 2: Yes, which you know, we know who I'm living that
Speaker 2: I got five properties.
Speaker 3: I got equity in.
Speaker 1: All of them.
Speaker 2: I don't owe anything on anything, like I'm one hundred
Speaker 2: percent ownership. I went to get a loan and they
Speaker 2: told me, no, I make thousand dollars a month from
Speaker 2: two houses. They told me no, knowing this money is
Speaker 2: coming directly from the state of Tennessee, they see it
Speaker 2: coming into the banks.
Speaker 1: And they told me what other reason could there be?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Because if they give you the loan, they empower you
Speaker 1: to challenge and compete with other white males for other
Speaker 1: economic agendans. Right, that's what purely racism.
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying purely from my uncle sitting
Speaker 2: in there, like we get you guys, see k come
Speaker 2: in here every month like clockwork, clockwork from the government.
Speaker 2: Racist comes straight from the States. And they said, no,
Speaker 2: we're like yo, what.
Speaker 1: See, the economic racism is more important than the intellectual racism,
Speaker 1: the social racism, the militaristic racism i e. Police genocide.
Speaker 1: Why is economic racism the most important racism? Because there
Speaker 1: can be no black power without the black dollar. There
Speaker 1: can't be no black power without the black If we
Speaker 1: don't kill the black dollar, we can't kill nothing else.
Speaker 1: That's why they focus on that so much. All we
Speaker 1: got to do is stop them from getting capital in
Speaker 1: large amounts and we can kill the whole Black renaissance facts.
Speaker 2: Now to clarify now, Show's point on that was, well,
Speaker 2: the reason you could get a call loan, the reason
Speaker 2: you can get a home loan, the reason get these
Speaker 2: other loans, It has nothing to do with race. The
Speaker 2: reason is because they do have the ability to sell
Speaker 2: the car if you can't afford it. They do have
Speaker 2: the ability to sell the house. But with a business loan,
Speaker 2: nobody can. They can't sell. Nobody beats the Wiz because
Speaker 2: you don't get the property, you just get the business.
Speaker 2: So you're you're operating a business which has no value
Speaker 2: in the marketplace, is what he's saying. He's saying that, hey,
Speaker 2: nobody beats the wiz, which is a business. If that
Speaker 2: falls and goes out of out of commission, there's nothing
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's nothing that they can.
Speaker 1: If that be the case. We step away from that
Speaker 1: and say, let's look at let's do a case by
Speaker 1: case review of all the white folks who have been
Speaker 1: approved for business loans in one year, just go the
Speaker 1: past year, and let's look at all the black folks
Speaker 1: who have been shot down, and let's look at whether
Speaker 1: there's any differences in equity, income, credit score. I think
Speaker 1: we all know what we're gonna find. You feel me,
Speaker 1: that is an argument you cannot win because racism is
Speaker 1: the original intent of America. America was built on racism.
Speaker 1: Do you know why Thomas Jefferson declared independence from Britain?
Speaker 1: Why was they even a declaration of independence?
Speaker 3: Do you know why?
Speaker 1: Because Britain had already started entertaining the conversation of liberating
Speaker 1: their slaves in their Caribbean islands and in Europe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so the colonists Washington, Jefferson, Franklin Madison, they said the
Speaker 1: British are going to end slavery. Our whole purpose for
Speaker 1: creating America is to exploit slave labor to build a
Speaker 1: new country. If we remained under Britain as a loyal
Speaker 1: subject and they kill slavery, they kill our whole economic empire.
Speaker 1: Contrary to popular belief, they did not declare independence on
Speaker 1: July for seventeen seventy six for their freedom before your
Speaker 1: continued servitude. That's facts. If Chops pulled some money out,
Speaker 1: I'll spect his white ass. I ain't got no problem.
Speaker 1: I eat his food and I eat his food, but
Speaker 1: he don't have to pay me because we're not equal.
Speaker 1: He got you.
Speaker 2: If it was Michael er Dison or something, we can
Speaker 2: go and I respect although we on to totally, but
Speaker 2: you're not my equal fan. I think it's time for
Speaker 2: shows to show us that he's doing more than taken
Speaker 2: from this culture.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because we and we we welcome to me, and
Speaker 2: because we got that much respect for Charlemagne. So you
Speaker 2: stand next to a man and we funked with you,
Speaker 2: got to be careful because reciprocated.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna do that for him. That's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I give you another one. I ain't got nothing against him,
Speaker 1: DJ Collin, I got nothing against them, But how can
Speaker 1: I a rapt from black culture like that? We've never
Speaker 1: been able to eat from a rap culture. You're not
Speaker 1: going to invade a rap music and become one of
Speaker 1: the no eminem eminem. You're not no black person that's
Speaker 1: going into a white industry and being put up as
Speaker 1: one of their greatest. You don't get that in nobody
Speaker 1: else's culture, only black folks. It's mostly our fault though
Speaker 1: we allow them to come in and exploit. The lad
Speaker 1: is another one. How do you let.
Speaker 2: Lads be responsible for at the end of the day, man,
Speaker 2: These kind of people are in these positions, like you said,
Speaker 2: it'll be rough for.
Speaker 1: Me to and they have no loyalty to the culture.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, it's all purely for personal and economic
Speaker 1: and political. There's no loyalty to the culture. Meaning if
Speaker 1: something better came along which required them to turn their
Speaker 1: back on the culture, they do it in the heartbeat.
Speaker 1: There's no loyalty, then you can feel it.
Speaker 2: And that's what I That's what I think about the
Speaker 2: whole Charlemagne thing, and and and and I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't say that to get in between those guys. I
Speaker 2: just understand the way it looks. I gotta be honest
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: I thought the whole thing was a one stop shop.
Speaker 1: In other ways, when he went at me for a
Speaker 1: couple of times and he left, I thought it was
Speaker 1: a thing at a bat.
Speaker 2: Because this is the thing, this is what he finds
Speaker 2: fucked up. Right, fifteen minutes they were talking when he
Speaker 2: was trying to flip it on Charlemagne, and he was saying, like,
Speaker 2: what if I were you, man, I'll be responsible with
Speaker 2: my platform.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't put someone that hate gays.
Speaker 2: And that hat I hate gays, That's what I'm But
Speaker 2: but he's saying that to penetrate Charlemagne's man, like, oh fuck.
Speaker 3: But Charlomage is standing on the square in the moment.
Speaker 3: But I know in the back.
Speaker 2: Of his mind he's like, Okay, we are in council culture, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: If this is dangerous. If it is, whether or not
Speaker 3: he's introducing doubt.
Speaker 4: Interview Donald Trump. That's what I keep trying to tell you.
Speaker 6: I know it's a difference interviewing somebody and promoting their rhetoric,
Speaker 6: and you promote this guy.
Speaker 4: No, I was.
Speaker 10: I was promoting a breakfast club interview, because right after
Speaker 10: that I put the asap Rocky interview out Literally seconds later,
Speaker 10: I was promoting all the new interview we had on
Speaker 10: our websites.
Speaker 4: You trump you.
Speaker 6: And you said you were saying that last week, because
Speaker 6: that's putting doctor. Nobody's giving him a platform on the podcast,
Speaker 6: giving you for saying that.
Speaker 1: In the world.
Speaker 4: You want to context so you just want to try
Speaker 4: to prove I told you that because's rhetoric. This is
Speaker 4: what I keep telling.
Speaker 10: I take people are more committed to your own clean
Speaker 10: What am I not going to get on this podcast and.
Speaker 4: Save people who man they don't agree with.
Speaker 10: Being or anything? What did I say the same way,
Speaker 10: I will take a gay man and let him get
Speaker 10: on there.
Speaker 4: I can put d ra on it. This is the
Speaker 4: thing about people in general.
Speaker 10: Anybody with a real opinion, anybody who says things that
Speaker 10: people don't agree with, people are going to disagree.
Speaker 2: I could take a nice suitet introducing doubt into a
Speaker 2: mind that that probably that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give Charlamage the benef yah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Your point is well taken, and I may speak with
Speaker 1: him about that next time. I say, yeah, definitely with him,
Speaker 1: and I'm.
Speaker 2: Sure he'll he'll heal this and he'll probably he'll they'll
Speaker 2: probably speak about it, because I'm telling you there's something there.
Speaker 2: Every time he brings you up, he discredit is it
Speaker 2: on the level where it's like it's.
Speaker 3: Almost it's almost like if I go home and tell.
Speaker 2: My woman I want to eat chicken to night and she, oh,
Speaker 2: my god, chicken is the worst fucking thing.
Speaker 3: At some point, I'm gonna stop bringing up that.
Speaker 1: I want to eat chicks.
Speaker 3: It's unnecessary. We're friends where we're supposed to be boyfriend
Speaker 3: and girlfriend. There's no need for us to argue about
Speaker 3: so will eat something else?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And I think he's kinda he's pushing.
Speaker 1: You know what. I think a lot of it boils
Speaker 1: down to there's nothing a white racist male hates more
Speaker 1: than an unapologetically African alpha male. And what he hates
Speaker 1: even more than that is a unapologetically African alpha male
Speaker 1: who's foundation is not mutable by the white power structure.
Speaker 1: In other words, when you say we want to destroy
Speaker 1: doctor Umar, you can't go to no university I don't
Speaker 1: work for. You can't go to no school district. I
Speaker 1: don't work for. You can't go to Minister Fia Cohn.
Speaker 1: I'm not in that. You see what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: can't go to the NAACP. He's not that. You can't
Speaker 1: go to the Masons, he ain't one. You can't go
Speaker 1: to the Elks. You can't go to the Greeks. We
Speaker 1: can't go to a black chi Who in the hell
Speaker 1: can we reach out to to pull doctor Umar's collar? Nobody?
Speaker 1: And my power base is my people. This is critical
Speaker 1: because when you look at a lot of our hip
Speaker 1: hop artists, although they're from the hood, some of them
Speaker 1: still in the hood, their power base is the major
Speaker 1: music industries, the conglomerate out and since the most mainstream
Speaker 1: hip hop is purchased by non Africans, they require some
Speaker 1: degree of complicity because you don't want to alienate your
Speaker 1: white base. Now, we may we listen to the hip
Speaker 1: hop more than white folks, but we're able to get
Speaker 1: it through different venues that don't require us to pay
Speaker 1: for it. You follow what I'm saying. It's not that
Speaker 1: white folks are listening to hip hop more than us.
Speaker 1: We're able to get it without paying for you see,
Speaker 1: but in terms of purchasable consumers, the whites are buying
Speaker 1: it more than the marketplace. So they can be controlled
Speaker 1: to a degree because you have a white constituency no
Speaker 1: different than a black politician. My constituency is one black.
Speaker 1: You see, I ain't got no a rap constituents. I
Speaker 1: ain't got no Anglo Saxon. I ain't got no Chinese
Speaker 1: my power base to some degree, think almost like me,
Speaker 1: how do you shut him when he's standing on millions
Speaker 1: of people who believe what he believed.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 1: That's the issue with people like Cholkes because they're so
Speaker 1: used to making one phone call and killing it and
Speaker 1: killing it.
Speaker 2: So, but and so what he understands is because he's
Speaker 2: a psychologist. So what he understands is, see this dude
Speaker 2: is he's stealth, he's gays.
Speaker 1: You know what else I learned he studies me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he studies particularly he knows.
Speaker 2: But and and so he's he's a psychologist. So when
Speaker 2: he talks about it, he puts it in a in
Speaker 2: a way where like I said, if you're listening and
Speaker 2: you don't know any better, or you don't know for yourself,
Speaker 2: or you don't go research for yourself. He puts it
Speaker 2: in a way where it's like whoa, whatever he was
Speaker 2: just talking about, that must be true, Like that guy
Speaker 2: must not know what he's talking about, you know. And
Speaker 2: so I just think it's something there that that that
Speaker 2: that that just needs to be addressed. But your message,
Speaker 2: Oh that's what I was gonna say. What I think
Speaker 2: is going on is that he understands that. Well, not
Speaker 2: only him people, because I'll take it off the shows,
Speaker 2: some people understand that. So what they know is is
Speaker 2: if I can get to Charlemagne, or if I can
Speaker 2: get to.
Speaker 3: Because I can't affect him, get to the gatekeepers exactly,
Speaker 3: if I can.
Speaker 2: Get to him and say, well, he's LGBT, he hates
Speaker 2: gays man, or he's one of those guys that.
Speaker 1: Like assassinate the character, make the host feel ashamed, and
Speaker 1: kill access to the platform.
Speaker 2: Because what he's also said about the school, he said, hey, listen,
Speaker 2: you know, because Charlamagne was trying to defend you. He
Speaker 2: was like, man, that man, he's not going to be
Speaker 2: teaching the kids to hate gay people.
Speaker 3: And he was like, oh, so.
Speaker 2: You think the man who's uh spitting all this rhetorica
Speaker 2: all around the world is going to have a school
Speaker 2: and then stop spitting the rhetoric.
Speaker 1: You know, see he puts him in these But here's
Speaker 1: what I say, because when I speak at universities, I'm
Speaker 1: going to get a phone call because black LBG tars
Speaker 1: are going to tell them I hate gays, and they're
Speaker 1: gonna me and this is religiously okay, And I'm going
Speaker 1: to ask them one sip of question. I have more
Speaker 1: videos on YouTube than any living black scholar in the world.
Speaker 1: Can you find me a clip where I said I
Speaker 1: hate or that I advocate hatred to gaze show it
Speaker 1: to Can you show me a clip where I said
Speaker 1: I hate white women or I advocate hatred to white women.
Speaker 1: Me telling black men that they don't need to be
Speaker 1: with white women ain't about hating white women. It's about
Speaker 1: loving black women. Me being against LBGT ain't about hating LBGT.
Speaker 1: It's about loving the black family. You see, don't confuse
Speaker 1: the mean and the method with what your interpretation is.
Speaker 1: And that's what they do. So they'll try to put
Speaker 1: their interpretation on my message. You cannot do that. Prove
Speaker 1: through my words your position that I'm a hater. You
Speaker 1: see what I'm saying. That's all charloa Mane had to
Speaker 1: hit him with. Give me something. He said that you
Speaker 1: feel substantiate your claims that he hates gays. And I've
Speaker 1: spoken on LBGT a lot, so you shouldn't have no
Speaker 1: problem finding that. My position on LBGT is this, I
Speaker 1: love all black folks. I don't care what they are, gay, straight, crooked, whatever, crazy.
Speaker 1: I love all black folks right right. But I reserve
Speaker 1: the right to disagree with any actions, positions, lifestyles, or
Speaker 1: agendas that are not in the best inches of African people,
Speaker 1: which is to say that I'm politically pragmatic. As a pragmatist,
Speaker 1: you bring me something and I ask you, how does
Speaker 1: this benefit me? Like a vegan or a vegetarian, they
Speaker 1: are dietary pragmatists. When you bring them a mill, you
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do. They gonna look at it
Speaker 1: and say, there's no nutritional content in this, hoki, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna eat it. You follow what I'm saying. They're
Speaker 1: gonna look and say, well, this carrot got a little
Speaker 1: bit of fiber, but this key we got more. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna eat the kii instead of a vegan and a vegetarian.
Speaker 1: They are dietary pragmatists. They're not eating it if there's
Speaker 1: no nutrition in it, period. It must be of benefit,
Speaker 1: and nothing in it better be of detriment. That's how
Speaker 1: I am politically. You bring me homosexuality, I'm gonna asks you.
Speaker 1: In the community where most men are incarcerated or dead,
Speaker 1: in the community where most black women will never be married,
Speaker 1: in the community where our sisters are the last married
Speaker 1: in the first divorce, how can introducing same sex marriage
Speaker 1: amongst men benefit our people? You see that no hate,
Speaker 1: no hate? How does that? How does black boys seeing
Speaker 1: black men be sexually intimate with each other benefit their manhood? Training, pragmatism.
Speaker 1: It's no different if you bring me a black man
Speaker 1: with a white woman. How does black boy seeing a
Speaker 1: black man love all up on a white girl and
Speaker 1: not a black one? How does that benefit us? You
Speaker 1: bring me white Jesus. How does black people worship in
Speaker 1: a white male image as their lord benefit us psychologically
Speaker 1: and spiritually? I'm pragmatic with all things, not just one thing.
Speaker 1: I'm pragmatic with all things. I've been on LBGT shows,
Speaker 1: they invite me on and we have respectable dialogue. Right,
Speaker 1: And I asked them the same question. It's never been answered.
Speaker 1: Can you give me one benefit? I'm just looking for
Speaker 1: one because I'm a pragmatist, so there needs to be benefits. Right,
Speaker 1: Can you give me one benefit of the free expression
Speaker 1: and practice and promotion of homosexual lesbian lifestyles in our community?
Speaker 1: Can you give me a benefit? And I haven't been
Speaker 1: given an answer yet in twenty years.
Speaker 3: They And so what you're saying is that people tend
Speaker 3: to twist that.
Speaker 1: They twist my message in order to render it so
Speaker 1: ridiculous tool so people don't listen any further. See, Schultz's
Speaker 1: agenda is to stop people from listening to my message
Speaker 1: because he knows that it's so politically potent. So what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do is misrepresent what the man is saying
Speaker 1: and make it look so diabolical that when I tell
Speaker 1: people what he stands for, they will be gullible enough
Speaker 1: to believe what I said and not go and see
Speaker 1: for himself.
Speaker 2: And that's what Charlamagne told him. Hey did you even
Speaker 2: watch the interview? But he said, man, I watched the
Speaker 2: first eight minutes and knew.
Speaker 3: He was full of shit. Get through.
Speaker 1: He's jealousy.
Speaker 3: So that's jealous that's a that's a that's a whole man.
Speaker 3: That's a shit show.
Speaker 2: But moving out of that into into police genocide, yes,
Speaker 2: let's let's let's spend some.
Speaker 1: Time police genocide. The reason we got such a strong
Speaker 1: return of police genocide under the Obama administration because it's
Speaker 1: been with us since we've been here. The slave patrollers
Speaker 1: were the first police. Remember, no state has a national
Speaker 1: security force until slavey ended. This's not even a mature
Speaker 1: federal incarceration system to eighteen sixty five, so the prison
Speaker 1: system was literally made for us. With that being said,
Speaker 1: the reason you saw so much of that come back
Speaker 1: during the Obama years is because white people, who are
Speaker 1: politically uneducated. I'm talking about poor white trash who don't
Speaker 1: have a political education. They're like poor black folks don't
Speaker 1: have a political education. Poor white trash interpreted the Obama
Speaker 1: victory as a message that white people were losing control
Speaker 1: of America. That's why white folks bought all the guns
Speaker 1: and all the ammunition. There was more guns and ammunition
Speaker 1: purchase during Obama's years than any other president in the
Speaker 1: past twenty five years. Because poor white folks don't know
Speaker 1: no better. They think a black face means black power.
Speaker 1: Poor black people don't know no better. They think a
Speaker 1: black face means black power. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So the reason the police went crazy is because putting
Speaker 1: a black man in the White House to uneducated whites
Speaker 1: actually meant a changing of the political guard from white
Speaker 1: to black. They didn't know Obama was just a stooge,
Speaker 1: He was just a token. He was just an agent
Speaker 1: of white power. They didn't know that. Rich whites know that,
Speaker 1: educated whites know that poor whites, which are the bulk
Speaker 1: of America, they didn't know that. So the police, largely
Speaker 1: being working that's a step above those poor whites. You see,
Speaker 1: they have the same mentality. So the best way they
Speaker 1: could exercise their disgraceful views on the Obama situation was
Speaker 1: to attack black folks knowing he would do nothing about it.
Speaker 1: Let us be clear, had they knew Obama would speak
Speaker 1: up and stand up for black folks against the police,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't have got out of hand like that. They
Speaker 1: knew he would do nothing about it, and one of
Speaker 1: the most cowardly moves of Obama was after Freddie Gray
Speaker 1: had his spine snatched from the back of his skull
Speaker 1: up in Baltimore the very next week. That's what this
Speaker 1: nigro does, This nigro pion. Barack Obama signs a Blue
Speaker 1: Shield law that protects police against any type of resistance
Speaker 1: from the people that they arrest, making it punishable life
Speaker 1: in jail and all this other stuff if you harass
Speaker 1: or abuse the police. In other words, a black boy
Speaker 1: just got killed by the cops. Instead of you making
Speaker 1: a law to protect the civilians from the police, you
Speaker 1: signed to build a protect the police from the civilians.
Speaker 1: That was Obama's message to white America that I am
Speaker 1: on your side, not black folks. Once white folks saw
Speaker 1: that the president of the United States, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: go to the legal now. The president of the United States,
Speaker 1: according to American jurisprudics, is the chief law enforcement officer
Speaker 1: in the country. You're follow me. Obama is the commander
Speaker 1: in chief of all military forces. The Patriot ach brought
Speaker 1: the police under the military, So Barack Obama is the
Speaker 1: number one cop, and the number one cop won't say
Speaker 1: or do anything about his employees taking the lives of
Speaker 1: our defenseless people, men, women, and children. Obama is the
Speaker 1: reason that thing got out of control, and our support
Speaker 1: of Obama is the reason they got out of control
Speaker 1: because the power structure said, look, we're letting the police
Speaker 1: kill they people every day. Obama ain't said a word,
Speaker 1: and black folks won't even challenge him on it. Once
Speaker 1: they saw that we would let Obama get away with
Speaker 1: the defenseless murders of black folks, they went on.
Speaker 2: Do you think because I know you were saying that
Speaker 2: he had to face criticism, do you think he faced
Speaker 2: any by the time he left from.
Speaker 1: Barack Obama is untouchable. Two people you cannot talk about
Speaker 1: in our community, White Jesus and Barack Obama. He's untouchable,
Speaker 1: which is dangerous. You know why, because that means we
Speaker 1: still haven't even learned the lesson that the Obama presidency
Speaker 1: should have taught us that are black faced on Eco
Speaker 1: black power and that white supremacy is white supremacy, irregardless
Speaker 1: of the hand that carries out the agenda, we still
Speaker 1: haven't learned it because we're too emotionally connected to the situation.
Speaker 1: You're not supposed to fall in love with politicians This
Speaker 1: is a big mistake of black folks we fall in
Speaker 1: love with. If you run for mayor of Nashville, guess what.
Speaker 1: If I don't like you, I'm not gonna vote for you.
Speaker 1: You might have the best economic plan for my people.
Speaker 1: You might have the best plan for the schools. You
Speaker 1: might have the best plan for the jails. You might
Speaker 1: got the best plans for the homeless. You might got
Speaker 1: the blessed best plans for fiscin tendency state. You got
Speaker 1: all the right ideas. But I don't like you. And
Speaker 1: because I don't like you, I'm mixing person on what business.
Speaker 1: Look at that? Because I don't like you, even though
Speaker 1: I agree that everything you're saying is right. Because I
Speaker 1: don't like you, I won't vote for you. And that
Speaker 1: is black people's political immaturity. And it has been haunting
Speaker 1: us ever since the Civil Rights What do you think
Speaker 1: that's from. I think a lot of it has to
Speaker 1: do with the way in which black church has evangelized
Speaker 1: black politics to the point that, remember, it's the pastor
Speaker 1: that brings the politician to preach in the church to
Speaker 1: get your vote. Right, that the church claims not to
Speaker 1: be political, but the church is the most political institution
Speaker 1: in the community, because in order to get elected, you
Speaker 1: gotta get endorsed by, oh, the church. So the pastor
Speaker 1: brings the politician in. So you got two pimps sharing
Speaker 1: the pulpit, the pastor and the politician to serve the
Speaker 1: people up at the voting block, you see. So the
Speaker 1: church is ran on emotion and imagination. In order to
Speaker 1: be a good pastor, you must be a very good
Speaker 1: communicator of emotion and imagination, you see. So the politician, automatically,
Speaker 1: it is being introduced to the black congregation through the pastor.
Speaker 1: That automatically means that the way in which we engage
Speaker 1: our pastor emotions in imagination, we engage our politician emotion
Speaker 1: and imagination with one extra added detriment or side effect,
Speaker 1: and that is the pastor as a representation of God
Speaker 1: is beyond reproach, questioning or accountability, you see. And if
Speaker 1: the politician stands next to the pastor, isn't he also
Speaker 1: beyond accountability? Exactly, And that's why the two most untouchable
Speaker 1: people in the black community is the elected official and
Speaker 1: the bishop. So the two people who should be doing
Speaker 1: the most are asked to do the least and you.
Speaker 3: Know, like I say, church for me? You know, like
Speaker 3: I say, like you I've heard.
Speaker 2: You say before, is that they only ask you to
Speaker 2: show up and give hope.
Speaker 3: So there's no they don't invote any kind of.
Speaker 1: No action, no action, Pay and pray. Same thing with
Speaker 1: the politician, vote and hope. Preacher, pay and pray, politician,
Speaker 1: vote and hope. Doctor Umar comes in on the garvy
Speaker 1: train and I say, that ain't bad, but if it's
Speaker 1: not couple with action, it is worthless. That ain't bad,
Speaker 1: But if it ain't couple with action, it's worthless. So
Speaker 1: this is what we're gonna do. I'm gonna still let
Speaker 1: you pray and pay, and I'm gonna still let you
Speaker 1: vote and hope. And once you're done praying and voting,
Speaker 1: we're gonna come and do some work. And then the
Speaker 1: pastor and the politician would shoot me down. Mind you,
Speaker 1: I didn't shoot them down. I said, you can still it,
Speaker 1: goad and when you're done, come see me. Why couldn't
Speaker 1: they endorse me the way that I endorse them. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why. Because constituency working with me. Okay, excuse me,
Speaker 1: My constituency working with them doesn't put me out of business.
Speaker 1: Their constituency. Working with me puts them out of business
Speaker 1: because guess what, once she get a husband, and once
Speaker 1: he get a job, they ain't coming back to church.
Speaker 1: The church is the hangout for single black women and
Speaker 1: unemployed black males. Once he gets some economic empolierament, his
Speaker 1: Jesus can go home with him. See the pastor depends
Speaker 1: on poverty to keep his population.
Speaker 3: Now they preach it better than ma.
Speaker 1: All exception to the black bourgeois churches, because you know,
Speaker 1: you got the churches where everybody in there make a
Speaker 1: million hours. I ain't talking about that. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the masses of Black churches are peopled by the poor.
Speaker 1: You see, the minute you ain't poor no more, you
Speaker 1: don't need it no more because.
Speaker 2: You in there and they keep talking about you gonna
Speaker 2: finally make you something whole.
Speaker 3: Long exactly you're thinking.
Speaker 1: In the politician go out of business too. You know
Speaker 1: why sixty Americans vote I'm a political science major forty.
Speaker 1: Don't let me say that again. Half of America don't
Speaker 1: vote white, rich, poor. Do you know why? I tell
Speaker 1: you why? Poor people know the politicians ain't thinking about them.
Speaker 1: Rich people know we own the politician. The only people
Speaker 1: who vote are middle class and working class. Poor people
Speaker 1: don't matter. Rich people don't care.
Speaker 3: Do you care?
Speaker 1: So if you empower black folks economically, guess what, they
Speaker 1: ain't gonna go vote no more. Or they might, but
Speaker 1: it won't be the central tactic in their arsenal of
Speaker 1: liberation because they got control of Rich people ain't got
Speaker 1: the vote because they own the politicians. Poor people ain't
Speaker 1: got the vote because they know they don't matter. For
Speaker 1: Americans don't vote. This is not a democracy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: America is not a democracy. First of all, the word
Speaker 1: democracy is not in the Constitution. It is not in
Speaker 1: the preamble, it's not in the Declaration, it's not in
Speaker 1: the Magna carta. What is it in? It's not in
Speaker 1: none of your fifty state constitutions. How did the word
Speaker 1: democracy way out of every Because America is a republic.
Speaker 1: Democracy is the rule of the majority, This is the
Speaker 1: rule of law. This is a gangst the operation. Now,
Speaker 1: I think that America is a bank pastor in itself
Speaker 1: as a nation.
Speaker 3: So when you talk about.
Speaker 1: The solution, everybody knows the solution. Everybody scared to say it.
Speaker 1: Go back in our history. And this brings up the
Speaker 1: praying and the voting again. By the way, are you
Speaker 1: aware that every significant change we got in America we
Speaker 1: paid for it in blood. Can you name me one
Speaker 1: significant change in Black America four hundred years now that
Speaker 1: you got praying or voting? Can you give me one.
Speaker 1: Everything I know came through blood. Civil rights you got
Speaker 1: out of slavery, blood, Thirteenth Amendment, blood, Fourteenth Amendment. Blood,
Speaker 1: you had the protests, go to jail, get killed, get
Speaker 1: beat up. You understand me. Fifteenth Amendment, blood, civil Rights Bill, blood,
Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act. Blood, Everything you got you got through blood.
Speaker 1: You can't name me no damn vote that ever changed
Speaker 1: anything for Black America. Let's go to police genocide. Right now,
Speaker 1: we're in the pre campaign season, right Can you name
Speaker 1: me the Democratic candidate who has stated on record that
Speaker 1: they have a solution to police genocide. Can you name
Speaker 1: me an independent candidate who stated they got a solution
Speaker 1: to police genocide. Can you name a Republican candidate who
Speaker 1: has stated that they have a solution to police genocide? Nope?
Speaker 1: And do you know why because they know, like we
Speaker 1: know what the solution is and you cannot say it
Speaker 1: on TV. The only way Black America is going to
Speaker 1: get the police the back off of killing Black America.
Speaker 1: Is Black America going to have to go to war
Speaker 1: with police, just like you went the war with the KKK,
Speaker 1: just like you went the war with the Confederate soldiers.
Speaker 1: They're like you went the war with the police back
Speaker 1: in the Black power movement, just like Doctor King and
Speaker 1: then went the war with white racist governments. Even though
Speaker 1: they claim to be non violent. There was nothing non
Speaker 1: violent about the non violent movement because Doctor King faced
Speaker 1: off with dogs and water holeses and police. There was
Speaker 1: nothing non violent about non violence. You mean, show me
Speaker 1: where we got anything with our violent confrontation. The only
Speaker 1: way you're gonna stop police genocide. The only solution Black
Speaker 1: men will have to make up their mind, not another
Speaker 1: one and the next time there is another one. We
Speaker 1: got to get our weapons and we got to march
Speaker 1: straight to the police, and we got to face off.
Speaker 1: And you know what that means, Just like the Civil War,
Speaker 1: mass casualty on each side, mass casualty. I don't want it,
Speaker 1: You don't want it, but I know that in order
Speaker 1: for our grandchildren's grandchildren to live free, it has to happen.
Speaker 1: Until they lose blood. Ours will never stop flowing in
Speaker 1: the streets.
Speaker 3: Indeed, I mean because you know you meet force with force, man, you.
Speaker 1: Mean force force. What did Frederick say, my ancestor, Frederick Douglas.
Speaker 1: Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and
Speaker 1: it never will. He said. The problem with black folks
Speaker 1: is you want rain, but you don't want thunder. You
Speaker 1: want crops, but you don't want to rip up the ground.
Speaker 1: You want the ocean, but you don't want to deal
Speaker 1: with the waves. You gotta take the girl with the
Speaker 1: bad What did that turner say? That turner said, when
Speaker 1: the spirit revealed itself to me, it said that this
Speaker 1: you must do, and whether it comes rough or smooth,
Speaker 1: whether it comes rough or smooth, you got to do it.
Speaker 2: However it comes. See that shit so deep like people
Speaker 2: gotta feel that. People have to understand what that means
Speaker 2: and wrap their brain around.
Speaker 1: And the attorney that interviewed them, Tom is Gray. I
Speaker 1: believe he was an attorney. At least he wasn't off
Speaker 1: the He said that, didn't you say God sent you
Speaker 1: this to lead this raid? Nat said yeah, he said, well,
Speaker 1: and by the way, you could download the whole confessions
Speaker 1: online for free and that Turning Confession eighteen thirty one
Speaker 1: times Gray. He said, well, all your homies is lynched.
Speaker 1: They kill Nelson, they kill Hart, they killed saying will
Speaker 1: the execution to kill all your soldiers is killed. They
Speaker 1: lynching black folks all over, saying tout south Ampter count.
Speaker 1: He said, well, doesn't that mean your lord has failed you? Brother?
Speaker 1: That turner looked at him. He said, nah, because even
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ had to be crucified.
Speaker 4: Facts.
Speaker 1: Look at that fact, even to the day that he
Speaker 1: died that turn. And then when they took that turn
Speaker 1: across the street to get lynched, they said, do you
Speaker 1: have anything you want to say? That turner said, nah,
Speaker 1: hurry up and get on with it. And they said
Speaker 1: when they put the noose around that turning neck, he
Speaker 1: didn't show no fear, his body to even shake. He
Speaker 1: was as you talk about ronins, He said, even Jesus
Speaker 1: had to be crucis by that. Where was that turn
Speaker 1: to kill Jerusalem Virginia? Wow, Jerusalem Virja that black Christ
Speaker 1: man black, the real black Christ.
Speaker 3: That's some deep shit.
Speaker 1: The other day, my mother and I was watching the
Speaker 1: movie three hundred. You saw three hundred, Yeah, the Athenians
Speaker 1: and the Greeks. Right, Leonidas took three hundred soldiers to
Speaker 1: go meet that damn a rap that was running the
Speaker 1: world at the time. Darius, who I'm watching that movie.
Speaker 1: You know what I said to myself, I said, this
Speaker 1: ain't about no damn Greeks. I said, this is not Turner. Mmm,
Speaker 1: this is not Turner. With no more than sixty taking
Speaker 1: on the entire United States government, he said, I'm not
Speaker 1: waiting for no vote. I'm not waiting for Jesus. I'm
Speaker 1: not waiting for no damn reparations. I'm not waiting for
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. My people are gonna be free. Now.
Speaker 1: See that that Turner said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he wasn't gone now he went with it.
Speaker 1: He went with it and eighteen thirty one. Just picture
Speaker 1: that eighteen thirty one man minu. He was born eighteen hundred.
Speaker 1: A few days after that Turner was born, they lynched
Speaker 1: Gabriel Prosser. Remember Gabel Prissa was going to lead the
Speaker 1: largest slavery vote ever known Richmond, Virginia. He got snitched
Speaker 1: out two coons. He got snitched out by two coons,
Speaker 1: and then eighteen twenty two, nine years before that Turner,
Speaker 1: you got Denmark Vezi down in Charston, South Carolina. His
Speaker 1: was going to be even bigger than Gables got snitched
Speaker 1: out by two coons that Turner. Nat Turner, seeing this, said, okay,
Speaker 1: I can't tell too many people, right because these coons
Speaker 1: is loyal to their master. So he only told those
Speaker 1: Nelson hark Sam this four or five. And then they
Speaker 1: brought the other ones in and the baddest soldier he
Speaker 1: had was Will, the executioner. Will wasn't playing. Remember, Nat
Speaker 1: Turner was agree what will strike first death? He had
Speaker 1: to go kill his master first assistance. You're the leader.
Speaker 1: You got to prove your loyalty, strike first death. That
Speaker 1: Turner hit him. He didn't die before he could even
Speaker 1: say nothing. Will came with the battle acts crack crack,
Speaker 1: and mind you. Will wasn't even one of the originals,
Speaker 1: but Will ended up being the main one. Will was
Speaker 1: no joke getting at it. Bill wasn't no joke.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why they don't talk about him.
Speaker 1: As much, that Turner because Nat Turner and Marcus Gorvey
Speaker 1: are very dangerous, because that Turner shows what a true
Speaker 1: Christian man will do for his people if he really
Speaker 1: believe in christ See, they don't need that in black
Speaker 1: church because if you go take because remember now that
Speaker 1: Turney was a pastor, so you go to the Matt
Speaker 1: Turner was a pastor of the church. So you go
Speaker 1: take that Turner, you say, pastor. Look what this man
Speaker 1: did in eighteen thirty one. We wasn't even considered people
Speaker 1: yet what you didn't that oh Ahn, Turner's example exposes
Speaker 1: the whole Christian Church. And then Garvey example. He the
Speaker 1: only significant Black leader we had after slavery who didn't
Speaker 1: use religion period period. Everybody gave you religion except Marcus
Speaker 1: gov He said, this ain't no religion, This ain't gonna
Speaker 1: be no Muslim thing, this ain't gonna be no Christian thing.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be an African thing. And his movement is
Speaker 1: the only one that included black people in every continent.
Speaker 1: Garvey is the only leader in modern history who you
Speaker 1: can say was actually leader of the race because every
Speaker 1: significant population of blacks in the world was represented in
Speaker 1: the Garvy movement. That's not true for nobody after God,
Speaker 1: nobody global leader of African people without a single penny
Speaker 1: from white folks. He buying ships Black Star line over
Speaker 1: here black star line, no money from white folks. One
Speaker 1: of the members came to him said, mister Gove, you
Speaker 1: got a rich white man, he would have done that.
Speaker 1: He believes on what you're trying to do. Marcus Garvey said,
Speaker 1: he tell them to keep his money. This a black
Speaker 1: man's movement. We never took a penny from another race.
Speaker 2: Strong man, boy, he was a man now down here
Speaker 2: just speaking about police Geniside. We had a guy here,
Speaker 2: Daniel hambrig all right, p Daniel. He the police killed him, right.
Speaker 2: So he jumps out of what they say was a
Speaker 2: stolen vehicle and he's running and I would say he's
Speaker 2: about fifty feet from the police officer. The police officer
Speaker 2: now makes a decision to say, damn.
Speaker 3: This young man's fast.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't catch him, pull his guns out,
Speaker 2: and he murders him, shoots.
Speaker 3: Him in the back as he's running, shoots him. Boom boom.
Speaker 1: They're just socially relevant.
Speaker 2: There needs to be some structure where that's automatically attended
Speaker 2: to as a priority item.
Speaker 1: Yes, separate from yes your music. Yes, as a black
Speaker 1: man or woman. I'm glad you mentioned these names. Mick Mill,
Speaker 1: Kardashian because as you know, mik and Jay got the
Speaker 1: criminal reform thing they working on, right, Kardashian is running
Speaker 1: around with her little I love Black people and want
Speaker 1: to get him out of jail movement. Here's what we
Speaker 1: got to pay attention to. First of all, with Jay
Speaker 1: and Meek, it is my hope that they focus on
Speaker 1: systematic change as opposed to what Kardashian is doing. What
Speaker 1: Kardashian is doing is what white folks do all the time.
Speaker 1: They never attack the causes of the problem. They only
Speaker 1: deal with symptoms. So Kardashian runs around and she'll get
Speaker 1: that grandmother out, thank you. I'm glad she's out. She'll
Speaker 1: go get that woman out, thank you. I'm glad she's out.
Speaker 1: But they're symptoms of the problem. They're not the problem.
Speaker 1: They're the consequences of the problem. What are you going
Speaker 1: to do to systematically change the law, the process system
Speaker 1: so this won't happen again? Absolutely nothing. And I tell
Speaker 1: Meek milder his face, I tell jay Z to their face,
Speaker 1: and I like them both. I support both brothers. If
Speaker 1: y'all do the Kardashian thing, I'm gonna bring you as
Speaker 1: a hypocrite in the phony don't tell me that you're
Speaker 1: helping individuals get out of jail to the exclusion of
Speaker 1: systematic change in the criminal justices. I give you an
Speaker 1: example with Barack Obama his last year in office. What
Speaker 1: do Obama do. He commuted the sentence of hundreds of
Speaker 1: people in jail, sorry, letting them out, black white. I'm
Speaker 1: glad they got out, but please don't be distracted by
Speaker 1: the fact that Obama did nothing to systematically change the problem.
Speaker 1: So that don't happen again, because guess what. That grandmom
Speaker 1: that Kardashian got out because she didn't change the system,
Speaker 1: they'll be ten grandmothers to replace her. That young sister
Speaker 1: that Kardashian got out because she didn't change the system,
Speaker 1: it'll be thirty more systems to replace. If Meek and
Speaker 1: Jay are going to follow the Kardashian snunt of dealing
Speaker 1: with individuals but not systems, individuals but not systems. Individuals
Speaker 1: were not systems, then guess what. Every brother you get
Speaker 1: out of jail will be replaced with one hundred more.
Speaker 1: Every person Obama let out his last year of office
Speaker 1: with those commuted sentences, they've already been replaced by hundreds more.
Speaker 1: Never let nobody play games with your intelligence enough to
Speaker 1: make you think that progress has been made because one
Speaker 1: or two people got out of jail. See, that's the
Speaker 1: same logic that America uses when Black people say we're
Speaker 1: economically devastated. America will say, well, wait a minute, you
Speaker 1: got jay Z, you got Bill Cosby, you got Tyler Perry.
Speaker 1: Those are individuals, and you don't judge progress for a
Speaker 1: people based on individuals in the own. Only reason why
Speaker 1: they get away doing that with black folks is because
Speaker 1: we are so individualistic that we don't care about the group.
Speaker 1: We don't care about teamwork, We're not interested in the collective.
Speaker 1: So you can run that hustle on us because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I don't care about him
Speaker 1: or her. I only care about me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the real thing. That's definitely a real thing.
Speaker 2: And when I look at you know, Meek and Jay,
Speaker 2: and even with Jay doing this whole NFL deals, he's
Speaker 2: facing a lot of backlash about it.
Speaker 1: Have you my I haven't looked at it intensively yet.
Speaker 1: I will, But here's my early position. My early position
Speaker 1: is simply this jay Z has done more than most
Speaker 1: mainstream rappers put together. When it comes to issues of
Speaker 1: social justice the califhe brought a documentary. I'm not even
Speaker 1: including that right, okay, But I do know that when
Speaker 1: the protesters and the activist was arrested on the Michael
Speaker 1: Brown in the aftermath of the Michael Brown assassination, he
Speaker 1: paid for them to get out. When they was arrested
Speaker 1: in the aftermath of the Freddie Gray situation, he paid
Speaker 1: for them to get out. I've seen where he's went
Speaker 1: to Africa and helped finance certain types of infrastructure in
Speaker 1: the villages. Did he do everything? No? Did he do
Speaker 1: enough given his economic position? Maybe not, But it's not
Speaker 1: to say he won't. I recognize that where jay z
Speaker 1: is on the economic economic totem poles, he cannot move
Speaker 1: as freely as you. You might, can't move as freely
Speaker 1: as me, you understand. So you have to respect where
Speaker 1: people are in their personal journey and not superimpose your
Speaker 1: value system on them. It's no different than if a
Speaker 1: sister walked in here with a blind wig on her head,
Speaker 1: she knows. I don't agree with that. I ain't got
Speaker 1: to say it. If a brother came in here with
Speaker 1: his white wife, he knows I don't agree. I ain't
Speaker 1: got to say it, but the fact that she wanted
Speaker 1: to interview me, says she trying. The fact that he
Speaker 1: came in here with his white girlfriend. It said, Doc,
Speaker 1: I know you don't agree with this, but I'm trying.
Speaker 1: You gotta respect people when they try.
Speaker 2: And my whole thing with Jay is, like I told
Speaker 2: my friends and a couple of guys when I was
Speaker 2: talking in the studio last night, I'm like to have
Speaker 2: a billion dollars to be a billion dollar guy.
Speaker 1: A billion dollar black man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, black black man. He's the only person you're gonna ever.
Speaker 1: See do anything, do that.
Speaker 3: Yes, you'll never see nobody else do that.
Speaker 1: You will never see.
Speaker 3: So for me and I don't speak on things until,
Speaker 3: like I say, they play out.
Speaker 2: So it's like, I'm gonna give this guy the benefit
Speaker 2: of the doubt for a seconds.
Speaker 1: Because the what I said, and I don't know if
Speaker 1: this is his thinking or not, but what I said is,
Speaker 1: how do you know he ain't trying to get in
Speaker 1: here to finally get one of these NFL teams? Because
Speaker 1: from what I understand, we don't have a black NFL
Speaker 1: owner at all. What if he trying to be the
Speaker 1: first and if he becomes that maybe he'll give Captaine
Speaker 1: his job back while he's still got a couple of
Speaker 1: good years. You don't know the man's strategy. And our problem,
Speaker 1: as the people you saw with me with the school,
Speaker 1: is we want to know publicly, right now, publicly, we
Speaker 1: want to know on you too, We want to know
Speaker 1: on Facebook are controlled by the enemy. We want you
Speaker 1: to tell us publicly what your plans are. You damn fool.
Speaker 1: If I tell you what my plan are, it will
Speaker 1: be destroyed before if jay Z told you what he
Speaker 1: was really up to, he'd never get a chance to
Speaker 1: implement it. See, we got to recognize something. What a
Speaker 1: leader says to the media may not be the same
Speaker 1: message he shares with you. It doesn't mean he sold
Speaker 1: out to the media. It's meaning he's thinking strategically because
Speaker 1: he has to protect his agenda and if he opens
Speaker 1: up the agenda. The art of war is deception. The
Speaker 1: art of war is deception. You must deceive your enemy
Speaker 1: until your chief the victory. I give you a quick case,
Speaker 1: doctor King. A lot of people don't know this. Did
Speaker 1: you know that doctor King didn't believe in non violence?
Speaker 1: Doctor Martin Luther King Junior did not believe in non violence.
Speaker 1: You know what they did. They went to Pennsylvania and
Speaker 1: got Bayard Rusting from Chester, PA. My neckad was and
Speaker 1: brought him down to Alabama and said, you have to
Speaker 1: convince him that non violence is the way we got
Speaker 1: to promote this question. King was not Ford. He said,
Speaker 1: these crackers will never been to it. Bayard Ruster said,
Speaker 1: if you do it any other way, you can get killed.
Speaker 1: King said, I'm going to do this because strategically it's
Speaker 1: the best way to go, not because I believe it.
Speaker 1: Most people don't even know. Non violence wasn't doctor King's idea.
Speaker 1: That was Bayard Rustling. King said, y'all crazy, ill brought
Speaker 1: me from Atlanta. And guess what. The entire time, the
Speaker 1: entire time the Southern Christian Leadership Conference had a stockade
Speaker 1: of weapons. Wow, because they thought that they would come
Speaker 1: a day where the non violence would break down. Yeah, strategy,
Speaker 1: our people want you to be so a matter of
Speaker 1: factly in public, it's crazy. Give the enemy your whole
Speaker 1: plan to pacify a couple.
Speaker 2: Yet you anywhere, I ain't gonna do nothing but clap
Speaker 2: twice and go something else. And and and the crazy
Speaker 2: thing is we are so like you said, we're searching
Speaker 2: for man, and I don't know if any other race
Speaker 2: does this man.
Speaker 3: When we finally get a guy like a jay.
Speaker 2: Z, or like a Oumar, or like anyone that's in
Speaker 2: a position to be looked at its doing right or
Speaker 2: good or for us. We searched that room for a
Speaker 2: dirty sock man. They searched that fucking room for a
Speaker 2: dirty And why do they search the room for the
Speaker 2: dirty sock? Part of it is self hate because they
Speaker 2: need to assassinate your character. But why do they need
Speaker 2: to assassinate your character in addition to the self hate,
Speaker 2: because they need to be able to live with themselves
Speaker 2: for not following you. They need to be able to
Speaker 2: justify why they didn't get behind you. They have to
Speaker 2: be able to explain to their children and family and friends,
Speaker 2: why you did not support this brother who is doing
Speaker 2: something good for the people. They did it with doctor King,
Speaker 2: all the negroes who were scared to march against the police.
Speaker 1: Oh he cheated on his wife. You know why they
Speaker 1: felt it wasn't It wasn't just the satisfied, the appetite
Speaker 1: to destroy the character of another black man. They needed
Speaker 1: an excuse to justify their lack of participation. The reason
Speaker 1: they need to find fault with me. They need an
Speaker 1: excuse why they don't donate to the school. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It ain't just about making you look bad.
Speaker 1: Making you look bad helps me defend the fact.
Speaker 2: That I did not suppen my position right right, And
Speaker 2: so with even with jay I'm like, yo, y'all.
Speaker 1: Just chill. You gotta see it through.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the coach is saying, oh my god, look
Speaker 3: what he did.
Speaker 2: The first thing he done, he came out like because
Speaker 2: now they said, well, he's selling T shirts and selling something.
Speaker 2: My thought is, okay, the first thing you need is capital, yes, so.
Speaker 1: And not only that, I'm looking to see how many
Speaker 1: jobs are being made for black folks off of that,
Speaker 1: because y'all want to watch the games anyway, And the
Speaker 1: same people condemning jay Z at home watching NFL games.
Speaker 3: Right every Sunday.
Speaker 2: And it's the craziest stuff. So I hope and I
Speaker 2: pray that jay Z does the right thing.
Speaker 3: Again. It's a track record, so we're gonna give him
Speaker 3: the benefit.
Speaker 1: Got to give him time to operate right now. Once
Speaker 1: this NFL scheme is over, I can judge him in
Speaker 1: hindsight because he's done. But as long as he's in it,
Speaker 1: I got to see it through. And we are too
Speaker 1: quick to condemn and criticize black folks, but we will
Speaker 1: give white folks a million chances. We've been giving them
Speaker 1: chances for four hundred years and we still got four
Speaker 1: hundred more years chances for wife, But we won't even
Speaker 1: give a brother by half a chance. Him and Beyonce
Speaker 1: when she stood up and did that tribute to the
Speaker 1: Black Panthers at the Super Bowl, she did that on
Speaker 1: the anniversary of the Black Panthers. I said, if she
Speaker 1: don't do another thing for ten years, I didn't say
Speaker 1: another thing, fa But for a couple of years she
Speaker 1: good with me because half of them would have never
Speaker 1: even thought of him, they would have done so J.
Speaker 3: And B cool with me, and with Kanye and Kim,
Speaker 3: with Kim doing her, you.
Speaker 2: Know, getting this guy that guy, this guy Kanye man,
Speaker 2: he had a flip. And I think with you always
Speaker 2: speaking about like medication and ADHD.
Speaker 1: I hope he ain't on meds, but I think he
Speaker 1: is the meds taking say if Kanye is on meds,
Speaker 1: If Kanye is on meds, those and he's probably antipsychotics.
Speaker 3: Mood stabilized antidepression kills.
Speaker 1: The section of your brain responsible for ingenuity and creativity.
Speaker 1: That's what he imagine. It's no different you and the music.
Speaker 1: I know you probably can think of a couple of
Speaker 1: brothers local or or main who do smoke so much wheat.
Speaker 1: Then you didn't cook that part of your brain that
Speaker 1: gave you that wordplay. And they you see him, they're
Speaker 1: trying to like it's done. So I don't know what
Speaker 1: happened to his done. Y'all smoked it away. You gotta
Speaker 1: protect your brain and you gotta protect your balls because
Speaker 1: you only get one of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so he.
Speaker 2: Like I said, with him, uh, it was a moment
Speaker 2: where he was on his maize and when he said
Speaker 2: the slavery was a choice thing and all that.
Speaker 1: All that might have been mad wry about the medication.
Speaker 1: That's why didn't pay it no mind.
Speaker 3: That's what it was. But he said that at that
Speaker 3: time he was office meds.
Speaker 2: So he had made a conscious decision to be like,
Speaker 2: hold on, they're like, I'm getting fat, I'm no longer myself.
Speaker 2: I'm getting off of this shit. So he stopped taking it. Now,
Speaker 2: what that does is fire back up those.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called a rebound effect where everything that you
Speaker 1: experienced before you took the met comes back fifty times stronger.
Speaker 3: So now he's just blurting shit out. It's not articulating.
Speaker 1: Good. He remember what the meds do. All psychotic mans,
Speaker 1: psychiatric meds are designed to force the brain to do
Speaker 1: against your conscious will. So you take a boy with
Speaker 1: so called ADHD, which is a joke which we're gonna
Speaker 1: be talking about tomorrow. He's choosing to be hyper. He
Speaker 1: can sit down if he wants. He likes what he's doing, right,
Speaker 1: because he won't make the conscious decision to sit his
Speaker 1: ass down. You gonna give him a pill that's gonna
Speaker 1: sit him. That's gonna sit him down, whether he wants
Speaker 1: to or not. Do you see what you're doing. You
Speaker 1: are eroding his executive function. Executive functions are the aspects
Speaker 1: of consciousness that allow us to control when we slabbery,
Speaker 1: when we chew, when we urinate. You know, it erodes that.
Speaker 1: So once your executive functions have been taken away from
Speaker 1: you too often, you're no longer in control of yourself.
Speaker 1: It's the pill, you see, So you're saying stuff you
Speaker 1: don't mean. You're slibbing out the mouth, don't even know what.
Speaker 1: You're peeing on yourself, you defecate. That's where that comes from.
Speaker 1: Because the pill, basically shutting the pill steals your liberation.
Speaker 1: In other words, the pill introduces slavery on a neurobiological level.
Speaker 1: Now no longer physical slave to white supremacy, You're a
Speaker 1: neurobiological slave to whites. The chemical is the handcuff. The
Speaker 1: chemical is the handcuff.
Speaker 3: So how do they My thing is how do they
Speaker 3: get that shit to the kids, Because.
Speaker 2: If it could affect that Kanye Wesz thirty some odd
Speaker 2: years old, forty some are years old in that way,
Speaker 2: what what is that medicine doing.
Speaker 3: To a nine year old?
Speaker 2: I've seen them give it to I think the young Yeah,
Speaker 2: six two year olds.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't care. Yeah, it's all about money.
Speaker 1: First of all, because all the drugs are publicly traded
Speaker 1: in New York Wall Street. Right, Remember early when I
Speaker 1: talked about that Timeline CIA dropped off the crack in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty, Well, guess what. The American Psychiatric Association dropped
Speaker 1: off a d D nineteen eighty same year, same year,
Speaker 1: and they started drugging the adults, they started drugging up
Speaker 1: the kids at the same time. You see. But it's
Speaker 1: all done with parent permission though. See, in order to
Speaker 1: get the pills, you need to evaluation, or to get
Speaker 1: the evaluation, you need the parents signature. Parent don't sign
Speaker 1: no pills, no evil. So we are complicit because we
Speaker 1: are doing what these white folks tell us to do.
Speaker 1: When somebody comes to you and say, get your child
Speaker 1: to evaluated for eightyh to, your answer should be no.
Speaker 1: And they're gonna say why not. They're gonna say, number one,
Speaker 1: I don't have to explain to you because I'm the parent.
Speaker 1: That's what they need to stop right there, right there,
Speaker 1: Because I'm the parent, that's why not. But if you
Speaker 1: want to go further eighty HD don't exist. It's a
Speaker 1: damn joke. You want to go furthermore, I'm not giving
Speaker 1: my child drugs. And that's the only solution y'all got. See,
Speaker 1: That's where I come in at. Do you believe in
Speaker 1: crack for kids? Because if you don't believe crack for kids,
Speaker 1: you don't believe in ADHD. Because once you get the label,
Speaker 1: the only option is the dope. That's that. And then
Speaker 1: I get parents who say, well, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: see if he had it, then not just tell you
Speaker 1: it don't exist. They can't prove it. They can't.
Speaker 3: It's a thrust an idea.
Speaker 1: It's an idea made real by the fact that you
Speaker 1: decided to medicate your child.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now with that being said, I know some women
Speaker 2: right because of the economic struction with the black men
Speaker 2: not being able to provide in certain circumstances, I've seen
Speaker 2: women with four and five children basically take a child
Speaker 2: or two and look at that as a pay chick.
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's true. They exploit the child for Social
Speaker 1: Security supplemental disability income. But guess what, she still ain't
Speaker 1: the problem. She is symptom. You know why because if
Speaker 1: doctor Umar Johnson, a certified school psychologist, never diagnosed her
Speaker 1: son with that most she couldn't do it, said, if
Speaker 1: somebody gave her a label, you see, so she's still
Speaker 1: a symptom. And what the system does is they'll try
Speaker 1: to turn the sister into the problem and say where
Speaker 1: they auctioning their kids off of checks? Okay, they are
Speaker 1: some of them, but guess what could they do that
Speaker 1: if you're psychologists, then auction them off first with a
Speaker 1: diagnosis that ain't real exactly. Primary responsibility, secondary responsibility.
Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna wrap up in just a second.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this. What's that the book of
Speaker 2: the diagnosis m.
Speaker 1: D s M five.
Speaker 3: You said pedophilia was pedophilia.
Speaker 1: Check this out. When they first came out with the
Speaker 1: d s M five about two years ago, a year
Speaker 1: or two, right, it came out where pedophilia was listed
Speaker 1: as a sexual orientation. Some white person saw it and
Speaker 1: sounded the alarm, and then the spokesperson for the American
Speaker 1: Psychiatric Association came back and said, we made a tipographical error.
Speaker 1: Do you see that? Did you see that? They tried
Speaker 1: to get away with it till somebody called it. Then
Speaker 1: they fixed it. But according to the DSM, pedophilia Okay,
Speaker 1: if the child is sixteen is not pedophilia. They're already
Speaker 1: legalizing pedophia. Yeah, and if the child is thirteen or fourteen,
Speaker 1: a person got to be at least four years older
Speaker 1: than them. Yeah, yeah, pedophilia, if memory serves me correctly.
Speaker 1: And I didn't bring my DSM with me, and I
Speaker 1: should have, I believe right now The DSM defines pedophilia
Speaker 1: as sexual attraction to pre pubescent children. Did you hear
Speaker 1: that pre pubescent? So do you know what that means?
Speaker 1: If your daughter going through puberty and she might be thirteen,
Speaker 1: she might be fourteen, but if she going through puberty
Speaker 1: a pedophilly. They already legalizing in my opinion, and they
Speaker 1: not done. They're going to keep on legalizing it because
Speaker 1: you got the organization of North American Association for Man
Speaker 1: and Boy Love. Look it up on the internet. North
Speaker 1: American Association for Man and Boy Love.
Speaker 3: They want to show they move.
Speaker 1: They said it should be an orientation, it should not
Speaker 1: be mental illness. I told people it was coming. You
Speaker 1: gotta remember now, the same way people looking at pedophilia
Speaker 1: today is how they looked at homosexuality in the nineteen seventy.
Speaker 1: Homosexuality was a mental disorder in nineteen seventy, and they
Speaker 1: took it out in seventy four seventy five. People thought
Speaker 1: that would never happen, and it legal today. I promise
Speaker 1: you pedophilia will be totally legal in the next ten
Speaker 1: twenty years.
Speaker 3: That's date. That's date.
Speaker 1: This is a cultural is a cultural genocide, not just physical.
Speaker 1: They hitting us everywhere. It's a because they coming to
Speaker 1: you and say, listen, we know this ain't how Africans live.
Speaker 1: This is how we do it. And don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: most white folks I don't believe agree with it either,
Speaker 1: but it is still nonetheless a product of their cultural heritage.
Speaker 1: Greco Roman culture, that's where it came from. Every philosopher
Speaker 1: was a homosexual. Plato, Aristotle Epictedtus, that's what they was
Speaker 1: in Roman Catholic Church viewed the women as less than clean.
Speaker 1: That's why they preachers don't get married. So there has
Speaker 1: always been a disdain for the female energy in European culture,
Speaker 1: not an African culture. You come to our culture, okay,
Speaker 1: we believe in equal The man can't survive without the woman.
Speaker 1: In our culture, the woman is given such a position
Speaker 1: that when you become the king, you have a queen
Speaker 1: mother who can unseat you if you don't do your
Speaker 1: job right. You look at our deities, Look at most
Speaker 1: of the masculine deities. They are born of a feminine
Speaker 1: mother who gives them the right to have that power.
Speaker 1: Which is why an African culture, whatever it is, the queen.
Speaker 1: You see the queen mother over there, because feminine energy
Speaker 1: was first. God created feminine energy first and then he
Speaker 1: introduced the male. So we never had no gay because
Speaker 1: at a certain point, homosexual that can be considered a
Speaker 1: total rejection of feminine energy. Lesbianism can be considered a
Speaker 1: total rejection of masculine energy. At the basic non sexual level,
Speaker 1: it is a rejection of your opposite. Well, that's a
Speaker 1: big problem for African people because we believe in a
Speaker 1: balance of all things. That's our culture. For the for
Speaker 1: light that's dark, for the sun is the moon, for
Speaker 1: what it is the land for the yen is the
Speaker 1: yang for the man, for the woman. And if that
Speaker 1: is the essential building block of creation, if you disturb that,
Speaker 1: you disturb the entire universal order. That's why we oppose
Speaker 1: to homosexuality. But we can still love the homosexual facts facts.
Speaker 2: Fact man, Like I say, this has been This has
Speaker 2: been a very great interview.
Speaker 3: Man. I really appreciate you coming by anything you want
Speaker 3: to lead to people.
Speaker 1: Yes, for the people out there, get in contact with
Speaker 1: doctor Umar Johnson, doctor Umar Johnson dot com. I got
Speaker 1: a new podcast site. Only one podcast is up right
Speaker 1: now on ADHD and that's Unapologetically African dot com and
Speaker 1: of course we spelled Africa with a K. Donate to
Speaker 1: the school. Please donate to the school. We're trying to
Speaker 1: raise a million dollars to get the school ready. I
Speaker 1: would love for next school year. You can donate mail
Speaker 1: your check of money or the payable two f DMG
Speaker 1: Academy p O Box ninety six thirty four, Wilmington, Delaware.
Speaker 1: I repeat fd MG Academy p O Box ninety six
Speaker 1: thirty four, Wilmington, Delaware, one nine eight o nine. If
Speaker 1: you ever need to talk to me, you need a
Speaker 1: consultation about your child education or mental health is what
Speaker 1: I do. You can reach me at eight four four
Speaker 1: four doctor Umar. That's eight four four four doctor Umar
Speaker 1: or doctor Umar Johnson at yahoo dot com.
Speaker 3: And before we go, I want to say congratulations on
Speaker 3: the school.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I watched it February seventh, seven days before Frederick douglas birth. Wow. Wow.
Speaker 1: I think he might have shifted that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I saw Before we go, I
Speaker 2: want to ask you about this.
Speaker 3: The family of him says.
Speaker 1: That was not the family. It was from Roland Martin
Speaker 1: when he read that letter. That was not from the family.
Speaker 1: That letter came from one coon in the family. Who
Speaker 1: doesn't occupy any official position with the family. He's just
Speaker 1: a jealous negro, period, that's it. Who said that I
Speaker 1: wasn't related to Frederick Douglas. I'm not even mad at him,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm disappointed in every other member of
Speaker 1: the family. I've been to the family reunions. Y'all know
Speaker 1: my name is on the tree. You understand. Any one
Speaker 1: of them could have called him up and say, brother,
Speaker 1: don't do that. You know it, like we know.
Speaker 3: That's still tearing at you, still pulling at.
Speaker 1: Somebody because a lot of them don't agree with my
Speaker 1: political views, that they let him go at me, you understand.
Speaker 1: So that's why I don't go to no more family
Speaker 1: reunions no more, because I'm like, any one of y'all
Speaker 1: could have stopped that, and y'all chose not to.
Speaker 3: So I'm done with it, and you'd allowed his voice
Speaker 3: for they.
Speaker 1: Well, but that's the jealousy. Because here here's my thing.
Speaker 1: I'm related to Frederick Douglass. Bob blood by Blood, the
Speaker 1: woman and man that raised him, Betsy and Isaac Belly.
Speaker 1: Those are my grandparents like his They his first grandparents.
Speaker 1: They're my seventh grandparents. But we come from the same loins.
Speaker 1: I rep Garvey. Well, most people think of Marcus Garvey,
Speaker 1: they think of me. Does that upset that's from Marcus
Speaker 1: Garvey Jr. His son? No? Does that upset doctor Julius
Speaker 1: Garvey his other son. No. They love the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm keeping their father's legacy alive. They ain't never settle
Speaker 1: he don't speak for my father. But here I am
Speaker 1: related to Frederick that blood and you got Nigros hating,
Speaker 1: But the Garvey family don't do that. I ran into
Speaker 1: Marcus Garvey's cousin in Austin, Texas. He couldn't wait to
Speaker 1: give me an embrace.
Speaker 3: And some love those two names voice period.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna tell you why they hate. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you the difference. There's people in our family who
Speaker 1: want to be considered the official thing. These on Frederick
Speaker 1: Douglas as a way to make money. This is about
Speaker 1: It's about money. In other words, they want to get
Speaker 1: speeches to go talk about. They want to get grants.
Speaker 1: You see right, and clearly you're not doing that. You're
Speaker 1: making You're getting enough speed. Nobody ever called me up
Speaker 1: and said we want to pay you to come talk
Speaker 1: about Frederick Douglas. I don't know doing it because it's
Speaker 1: my reputation is purely off of my own work, not
Speaker 1: my relationship to fred but because I big him up
Speaker 1: so much and I'm so associated with the name. If
Speaker 1: they do want somebody to talk, why would they get
Speaker 1: anybody butt me? And that's why they're angry because they
Speaker 1: feel like I'm blocking the economic part. It's about cash
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 2: Well, with that being said, man, you I know for
Speaker 2: a fact in hip hop and rap, which is we
Speaker 2: control the cool.
Speaker 3: Yes, you are the loudest voice in regards to that.
Speaker 3: Those two names.
Speaker 2: There's nothing that we can It's not even close that
Speaker 2: we know. I'm talking about the boys listening to the
Speaker 2: just you know, they can change some things. We don't
Speaker 2: know when we hear Marcus Garvey Frederick Douglass, we're gonna say,
Speaker 2: doctor Umar Johnson is where we hear that from, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean? And so even today you spilling
Speaker 2: all this stuff about those guys.
Speaker 3: We don't hear that anyway.
Speaker 2: There's no other scholar that I know of that we're
Speaker 2: gonna hear be able to even do that on a
Speaker 2: level like that, because again, the inflection and just the
Speaker 2: passion all that. That combination is why you're special.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's why you're able to go in and out and
Speaker 2: float in and out to these cities and countries and
Speaker 2: people gravitate to that. Man, that's a very very unique
Speaker 2: combination you got, man. And I want to tell you
Speaker 2: that personally, I don't meet a lot of guys younger
Speaker 2: or older that I can say I'm impressed with just
Speaker 2: the way you're put together. You get what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: And that's a real thing. I can make some money.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many how much of the information
Speaker 2: I can retain, you know, because man, you're doing that,
Speaker 2: you gotta be very sure. But but again I want
Speaker 2: to say thank you for coming out.
Speaker 3: Man. Hopefully tomorrow you'll have a great time again.
Speaker 2: Anything y'all need while you here, I don't care what
Speaker 2: it is, let me know, I'll no matter what it is,
Speaker 2: I'm slide through. I'm aa slide do mess with y'all
Speaker 2: for a second. But anything you need I'll send it again.
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