Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season two, seventy nine,
Speaker 1: Episode three of Dirt Dailies. I I Stay, production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: This is a podcast where we take a deep dive
Speaker 1: into America's shared consciousness. And it is Wednesday, March fifteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. My name's Jack O'Brien, ak god. I
Speaker 1: want a carless Sunday. WHOA let's all just run day?
Speaker 1: WHOA cars are dumb day? WHOA oh, don't drive your
Speaker 1: truck that weighs a ton day. That is courtesy of
Speaker 1: Christy Amagucci. May just referencing the the idea of carless Sundays,
Speaker 1: which you know, at a certain point in the Netherlands
Speaker 1: they decided to stop having cars run their lives. I
Speaker 1: know there would be a ton of problems at first,
Speaker 1: and you know, we would have to build up an
Speaker 1: infrastructure for people to get around if we decided to
Speaker 1: do that, But still I still think it's a nice
Speaker 1: idea to aspire too. All Right, Well, I am thrilled
Speaker 1: to be joined by a very special guest co host
Speaker 1: one of the best best podcasters doing it anywhere, an
Speaker 1: old friend from the crack day is a Jeopardy champion
Speaker 1: the host of the podcast secretly incredibly fascinating. It's Alex Schmidt. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's me Alex Schmidt. Heyka, John Jacob Jingle trend Er Schmidt.
Speaker 1: There is thank you, thank you too, there us your
Speaker 1: name is Lady Feet on the discord. I was telling Jack,
Speaker 1: I just searched the name Schmidt in the Zeitgeist discord.
Speaker 1: That may not be for me, but I grabbed it.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It is for you now. And I took
Speaker 1: your AKA because you wrote it into the dock. I
Speaker 1: took your ak to be you are both John Jacob
Speaker 1: Jingle Trender Schmidt and also known as Lady Feet on
Speaker 1: the disc Yeah, I thought that I was like lady
Speaker 1: feed Interesting. I like that for you, A truly wild
Speaker 1: disclosure if that's where I was like that. By the way,
Speaker 1: By the way, I really in defeat. Ladies could use
Speaker 1: some picks. Thanks Alex. We are thrilled to be joined
Speaker 1: by an interdisciplinary artist and writer who's writing you can
Speaker 1: read it hyper allergic about stuff like Netflix for getting
Speaker 1: to include Puerto Ricans and their reggaeton show and house
Speaker 1: psychedelics influenced artists. Please welcome the brilliant and talented Denise
Speaker 1: the vamp de Ville subis that best intro ever? It's
Speaker 1: wonderful to have you. How are you doing. I'm doing
Speaker 1: really well. I need that intro though, for like that
Speaker 1: should be my morning alarm. Yeah, make it. We'll give
Speaker 1: you the download. There you go. Um, where's everybody coming from,
Speaker 1: alex I know you're on the East coast as our Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have snow flurries in New York City. Hey watch
Speaker 1: celebrating the IDEs of March with snow. There you go,
Speaker 1: fun times, how about you, Denise. I'm in Denver, Colorado.
Speaker 1: Our weather is actually getting nicer, funny enough, so we're
Speaker 1: seeing some sun. It's a beautiful day out. Hey did
Speaker 1: we trade weathers? Hey? What's going on here? Give it back? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a rainy Manhattan day in Los Angeles here as
Speaker 1: that that seems to be the new norm. It rains
Speaker 1: a lot, which I'm not complaining. I ain't complaining, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Denise. One of the things you
Speaker 1: wrote about at hyper Allergic the psychedelic art scene. Psychedelics
Speaker 1: I feel like a're having a moment right now, or
Speaker 1: like increasingly a big part of culture. And I'm like
Speaker 1: I was just curious to hear you talk about where
Speaker 1: you think or do you think they're having a moment?
Speaker 1: Have they just always been here? I think when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, psychedelics were associated with my parents' generation
Speaker 1: as like hippies, and they just like made it look
Speaker 1: bad and uncool, and so like I wonder if like
Speaker 1: that is just what happened, is we've had enough separation
Speaker 1: from the baby boomers making it look really silly and
Speaker 1: weird that we can now get back into the good
Speaker 1: parts of psychedelics. Yeah. And I think also for my generation, right,
Speaker 1: it's the Dare generation, right, so we caught a lot
Speaker 1: of like just say no to drugs and really nothing else,
Speaker 1: so no one will offer them to you for free, right,
Speaker 1: So I think there was a disconnect there with psychedelics. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're having a moment. I think
Speaker 1: they've always been there. I think that the conversation has
Speaker 1: just become a little bit more open, right, We're open
Speaker 1: to having larger discussion about the impact of a psychologic
Speaker 1: lead mentally and where we're kind of going to go
Speaker 1: from there. And I think it's kind of amazing what's
Speaker 1: going on in so many of the states now as
Speaker 1: we're discussing especially like mushrooms, you know, and more natural,
Speaker 1: holistic quote unquote ways to get high and to tap
Speaker 1: into other parts of your consciousness. So I'm completely fascinated
Speaker 1: like the whole process. Yeah, yeah, I don't mean to
Speaker 1: imply I just found out about psychedelics like when Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan started talking about them, but like, yeah, they they've
Speaker 1: been around for a while. I do feel like they're
Speaker 1: getting like somewhat more even like mainstream cultural purchase than
Speaker 1: they they've had even in the recent, fairly recent past.
Speaker 1: So your articles really fascinating. We'll link off to it
Speaker 1: in the footnotes, but everyone should go check it out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: with I'm curious with reporting something out like that, like
Speaker 1: are people down to talk about it and share about
Speaker 1: it or are they still kind of don't use my
Speaker 1: name or don't share details about me. That was what
Speaker 1: I was afraid. I was completely petrified that people were
Speaker 1: going to be like, absolutely don't share who I am.
Speaker 1: But I particularly went through the painstaking process of finding
Speaker 1: artists that are already pretty open about that conversation and
Speaker 1: that are really like have dived deep into the whole
Speaker 1: conversation and what they're kind of going to do with
Speaker 1: it in the future and with their work. So I
Speaker 1: got really lucky, like with Alex and Alison Gray, you know,
Speaker 1: who were amazing, Like they were just like, he here's
Speaker 1: all of this information on psychedelics. I was like, dude,
Speaker 1: I should do this. Sometimes sounds cool. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: was purposely looking for artists that were open. Yeah, and you,
Speaker 1: yourself or an artist, can you to talk about a
Speaker 1: little bit about like something you're working on right now
Speaker 1: or something you recently completed. Yeah. So I'm mixed media interdisciplinary,
Speaker 1: which is always weird to say. Sometimes they just say
Speaker 1: like I'm a very highly hyphenated creative, like I'm everywhere
Speaker 1: and all over the place. And that's part of my
Speaker 1: neurodivergence as well, right Like I cannot sit there for
Speaker 1: like more than a certain amount of time on one
Speaker 1: kind of project, soart to jump all over and for
Speaker 1: me right now, I've been focusing a lot of my
Speaker 1: work on kind of reclaiming, reconnecting and healing the imagery
Speaker 1: of the Daino people of the Caribbean with my work
Speaker 1: and kind of retelling their stories. They're like Taro and
Speaker 1: you know, framework that looks really baroque and lots of
Speaker 1: gold and stuff. I'm like giving my gold back. So
Speaker 1: that's been a lot of what I've been working on
Speaker 1: right now, and I should be doing an exhibition soon
Speaker 1: with Redline Contemporary Art Center. Still very hush hush, but
Speaker 1: I guess it's not so much because I just said it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bleeping all this out, Yeah yeah, Yeah, We're gonna get
Speaker 1: to know you a little bit better in a moment. First,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell our listeners a few of the things
Speaker 1: we're talking about to day. I'm seeing the shoplifting panic
Speaker 1: story bubble up again, so I just wanted to offer
Speaker 1: an update to our listeners on that that it's still bullshit,
Speaker 1: still bullshit. It's even more real than you thought. Yes,
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about lunchables, so big, big win. There's
Speaker 1: the story from ABC seven dot com that reports the
Speaker 1: fact that they're going to be serving lunchables as like
Speaker 1: school lunches going forward starting next year, and it's reported
Speaker 1: like the story is told as a like success story
Speaker 1: for Kraft Hinds. It's like an underdog success story about
Speaker 1: how they got in line with the nutritional requirements to
Speaker 1: have this victory. So I want to just talk about that,
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on lunchables in general, your experiences. This
Speaker 1: was apparently one of the biggest BIS success stories of
Speaker 1: my lifetime that I wasn't aware it was a business
Speaker 1: success story. I was just eating the lunchables as a child.
Speaker 1: But Oscar Meyer saved their bacon, so to speak, by
Speaker 1: inventing lunchables, and it was like this massive success and
Speaker 1: probably very bad for everyone. I do I like to
Speaker 1: figure of speech because they probably withheld the good bacon
Speaker 1: for other products, like lunchables had much worse meat than bacon. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: saving their bacon and providing meat paste to the rest
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, even in the ingredients. I love how
Speaker 1: it's like meat meat alternative. Yes, Okay, I don't need
Speaker 1: to know what it is. Hey, it was the nineties.
Speaker 1: Alternative was huge alternative music, so they we were we
Speaker 1: were down for some meat alternative, some grunge meat. We're
Speaker 1: a little flannel. Yeah, yeah, all of that plenty more.
Speaker 1: But first denise the vamptaville sub sa. Do you have
Speaker 1: something from your search history that is revealing about who
Speaker 1: you are? It's so funny my search history is and
Speaker 1: I know I can curse on here because I've heard it, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm super excited because I'm still a Puerto Rican
Speaker 1: girl from Jersey, right, like I have a dirty potty now.
Speaker 1: And I'm a former sailor as well, so it's like wow,
Speaker 1: years away, like sailing boats for real? Uh No, I
Speaker 1: was in the United States Navy veteran. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: that's thank you for clarifying as some one ships, but
Speaker 1: that's for real and thank you fantastic, Yeah, thank you
Speaker 1: actual sailing. I have no idea like so, but my
Speaker 1: search history is pretty much a clusterfuck of shit, Like
Speaker 1: I'm constantly googling everything because I am just like dying
Speaker 1: to be a useless bat of like information for some
Speaker 1: strange reason. But the most recent thing I googled, I
Speaker 1: think was probably partly frightening and then pertly like just
Speaker 1: pure scientific curiosity, where I was like, can I do
Speaker 1: this in my own home? Where scientists found out that
Speaker 1: there was a they found a zombie virus that spent
Speaker 1: like forty eight thousand years frozen in the perma frost. WHOA, Okay,
Speaker 1: the virus doesn't make you a zombie, right, The virus
Speaker 1: itself is a zombie because they brought it back to life,
Speaker 1: good good thinking. First of all, Yeah, there's so much
Speaker 1: at the perma frost, Like, you know, we haven't had
Speaker 1: enough of crazy viruses in our sci fi plot decade,
Speaker 1: so apparently we need to add some more. And that
Speaker 1: was kind of insane. Yeah, people say they're not doing
Speaker 1: enough about climate change and the melting of the polarized caps,
Speaker 1: but they're bringing back zombie viruses. That's something, right, They're
Speaker 1: yeah getting to work there. Yeah, it sounds like more life,
Speaker 1: not less. Yeah, more life hords so basically good. And
Speaker 1: are people worried about it? Are they? Is it going
Speaker 1: to increase our scientific understanding of what it was like
Speaker 1: to have a cold in the Paleolithic or like what
Speaker 1: is the what's the end goal here? Like, to be fair,
Speaker 1: the virus is very large, which is interesting. Rightly you
Speaker 1: could see it under a regular microscope instead of needing
Speaker 1: like all sorts of other technologies to kind of zoom
Speaker 1: into it. But it's specific to like single cell organisms,
Speaker 1: So they're not trying to bring back a virus that's
Speaker 1: going to kill the entire human rings, right, and then
Speaker 1: make a movie after it, right with the five people
Speaker 1: that are left behind, probably Joe Rogan will be one
Speaker 1: of them, yes, Joe Rogan, Chris Brett. I haven't settled
Speaker 1: on the other three, but yeah, yeah, but it is.
Speaker 1: It's to try to help us kind of learn a
Speaker 1: little bit more about how kind of viruses develop where
Speaker 1: we are in that process, you know, and dissecting all
Speaker 1: of the things that they're kind of finding as these
Speaker 1: perm as the permafrost starts to bounce. Yeah, and I'm fascinated,
Speaker 1: but at the same time, like, I don't trust anyone
Speaker 1: enough to be like science, you've got this. You haven't
Speaker 1: fucked us yet. Let you take this one. It's funny
Speaker 1: to me to think about viruses that are big, like
Speaker 1: you can see, like there'd be a much easier to
Speaker 1: avoid the common cold if it was just like a guy,
Speaker 1: like a thing that was hanging out on the surface
Speaker 1: of you know, everything that my six year old touches,
Speaker 1: because animals were so much bigger in the ice age, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's a wooly mammoth equivalent of a virus or
Speaker 1: like a virus tiger instead of a housecat. Yeah, ivirus
Speaker 1: eats you really cute personalities too, that's the thing. They're
Speaker 1: like little woofies. They're they're so hard to resist that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is something you think is overrated? I was it's
Speaker 1: so interesting because I was looking at these that I
Speaker 1: was like, Man, this is going to be difficult for
Speaker 1: me because I actually have a list of things that
Speaker 1: are annoying me. Let them know. It's like the first
Speaker 1: thing on my list, and I think overrated. The first
Speaker 1: thing on my list definitely is the term latin X.
Speaker 1: I'm so tired of hearing it, and I just did
Speaker 1: a talk on it also at Redline where I kind
Speaker 1: of had to like share some information where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I really don't understand why we're kind of persisting in
Speaker 1: this space, and I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 1: really are having that discussion. The majority of people in
Speaker 1: the community don't really use it. So I finally like,
Speaker 1: it's absolutely annoying to me that it's still here, It's
Speaker 1: sticking around, and it's everywhere I can't escape it. Right,
Speaker 1: is the word that you prefer is Latino like for
Speaker 1: broad or what? What? What is the preferred word for me?
Speaker 1: I prefer to just be called Puerto Rican in Cuban. Sure,
Speaker 1: it's much more descriptive. Right, so that you understand what
Speaker 1: my cultural nuance is right my milieu, Yeah, totally. And
Speaker 1: so the term Latino in general to me or Hispanic
Speaker 1: or all of these other kind of terms that jumble
Speaker 1: us all in together, just continue this process of us
Speaker 1: being all seen as the same, right, continuing that monolitht
Speaker 1: So for me, it's kind of like Latin X. It's like,
Speaker 1: you know, you've heard it, right, you can shine a turd,
Speaker 1: but it's still a turd, right, You're trying to modernize
Speaker 1: a term that's already like super offensive invested up, So like,
Speaker 1: I really don't understand the need for the hegemonic like
Speaker 1: nature of it, right, for it to now have an
Speaker 1: English ending, like have the woke version of the hegemonic
Speaker 1: insulting term. Yeah, we're good here, okay, I put. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's good. Yeah, I think formative. Yeah, it's good
Speaker 1: to hear about that, because I've heard a little bit
Speaker 1: about it in general. Yeah, that it's sort of been
Speaker 1: imposed from outside or brought in by people who didn't
Speaker 1: ask for new words or additional words that aren't as helpful. Right,
Speaker 1: And there was already like a gender inclusive word in Spanish,
Speaker 1: so latine already existing. So it was interesting to see
Speaker 1: the X kind of get thrown in where you're like, dude,
Speaker 1: we don't I don't use it X ever, like it's there,
Speaker 1: but don't talk about it, Like how did you put
Speaker 1: it at the end of the word, Like this is
Speaker 1: so confusing, And it just seems like English now is
Speaker 1: really starting to meld in and we've kind of moved
Speaker 1: from a new level of Spanglish to just the bastardry
Speaker 1: of these languages together. Yeah. Wow, What is something you
Speaker 1: think is underrated? Underrated? For me definitely is the Puerto
Speaker 1: Rican independence movement. I think a lot of the time
Speaker 1: it's like it's always statehood and everybody wants to talk
Speaker 1: about statehood, and I'm like, nobody wants to be a
Speaker 1: state right read the room, Like, so, I think the
Speaker 1: talk of Puerto Rican independence is often like pushed aside,
Speaker 1: even in the major movements that it had throughout time.
Speaker 1: Right now especially, it's definitely not getting the push that
Speaker 1: I think it really needs to have because there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of background and how it can be something
Speaker 1: that's functional. So I think it's definitely underrating. The guy
Speaker 1: who invented Latin X is like, fine, will let you
Speaker 1: be a state, but you owe us. Okay, how many
Speaker 1: favors do I have to do? You jee? But you
Speaker 1: don't like debt. You don't like debt. Wow, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back, and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the wave of shoplifting that is taking
Speaker 1: over the country and making it hard for our favorite people.
Speaker 1: They're people too. Walmart is a person, and we need
Speaker 1: to admit that and take care of our Walmart. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back, and we're back. And I think it's
Speaker 1: since the last time we covered shoplifting, we talked about
Speaker 1: the wave of shoplifting being out of control that was
Speaker 1: used to try to get Chase A. Bootine out of
Speaker 1: office in San Francisco and like helped lead to his
Speaker 1: successful recall, and just generally that was a favorite talking
Speaker 1: point on the right for a while. And in the
Speaker 1: mainstream media, you know, the New York Times is not
Speaker 1: immune from a story decrying the crime wave that's out
Speaker 1: of control and writing an op edge that says, all
Speaker 1: we need to do is higher one million more police officers,
Speaker 1: and America's problems will go away. So since the last
Speaker 1: time we cover this, there's been a couple of big
Speaker 1: stories about shoplifting focused on the walls, both Mart and Greens,
Speaker 1: Walmart and Walgreens. And the news story that I'm seeing
Speaker 1: everywhere in the past week is that Walmarc Walmart is
Speaker 1: saying that they don't call them their name, they're Walmart.
Speaker 1: Now we don't like their Walmart Walmarc's Walmart claims they've
Speaker 1: had to close every single Portland's store because of shoplifting.
Speaker 1: That that is how I've seen it quoted on Twitter.
Speaker 1: They've had to close every single Walmart in Portland, like
Speaker 1: they are their stores there still every single Walmart. It
Speaker 1: turns out there were two Walmarts in all of Portland
Speaker 1: and they had to close these two stores for reasons.
Speaker 1: That so, at the end of last year, their CEO
Speaker 1: got on an earnings call and dick ride theft. It
Speaker 1: was around the same time that the Walgreen CEO was
Speaker 1: getting on an earnings call and being like, we were exaggerating.
Speaker 1: There really wasn't this massive theft problem. But anyways, I
Speaker 1: think this story is getting traction because people want to
Speaker 1: believe that Portland is a city that's out of control
Speaker 1: like San Francisco. They just want the entire West Coast
Speaker 1: to be liberal progressives who've lost control of their societies
Speaker 1: and that's the problems are coming home to roost West.
Speaker 1: That's right, the ocean turns them crazy liberal West. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure that has been a chiron on
Speaker 1: the Tucker Carlton shot show, like the Wild Probably not liberal,
Speaker 1: probably more like the Wild Marxists West or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's easily one of my least favorite conservative tropes. That's
Speaker 1: a heated competition. There's a lot of bandwids, but like
Speaker 1: being being from Illinois, they just demonize Chicago that way,
Speaker 1: and Wisconsin just demonizes Milwaukee like conservatives just want to
Speaker 1: argue that we should remove cities as if they are
Speaker 1: not part of the country. Yeah, even though they're full
Speaker 1: of people from the country. There's actually a lot of
Speaker 1: Americans in there. No, yes, but dare those people county?
Speaker 1: So the truth Usually these articles are fueled by industry
Speaker 1: groups and you know, city departments of commerce or you know,
Speaker 1: lobbying groups, and the statistics are always super vague when
Speaker 1: it comes to what, you know, how much shoplifting has grown.
Speaker 1: It's always anecdotal as fuck. And but even on this
Speaker 1: Walmart story, which is gaining so much attraction, even the
Speaker 1: industry groups are like, this doesn't seem to be what's
Speaker 1: going on here. So there's this article from Oregon Live
Speaker 1: that says thefton other crime. The Walmart watchers said, it's
Speaker 1: surely a concern for the chain, but the impact is
Speaker 1: is rarely enough to close an otherwise successful store without
Speaker 1: warning and especially without appeals to local officials for assistance.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. They never actually want to do
Speaker 1: anything about this problem other than, you know, get the
Speaker 1: media on their side by complaining about it. And then
Speaker 1: they say, the decision to close down a store is
Speaker 1: typically linked to sales, said Neil Saunders, Managing director of
Speaker 1: the Retail division at Global Data, which often has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with thefts or shoplifting. And then they point
Speaker 1: out that Walmart just has never had success in Portland
Speaker 1: because the people of Portland prefer established stores like fred Meyer,
Speaker 1: which that's just a guy's name but apparently also a
Speaker 1: store in Portland, and it also sells general merchandise alongside groceries.
Speaker 1: And they say Walmart typically needs to be where they
Speaker 1: can be a big player and capture all the shares.
Speaker 1: There are some locations where they've struggled to gain a
Speaker 1: strong foothold and they've left those places. So this man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just it drives me so nuts when any highly automated,
Speaker 1: highly mechanized business suddenly loses track of all the numbers.
Speaker 1: When they want to how we track shoplifting, We're we're
Speaker 1: basically a bodega. Stuff is just on our shelves. I
Speaker 1: don't know, we don't, we don't know. Yeah, that's right. Well,
Speaker 1: you know that if this was the problem that was
Speaker 1: causing them to have to close stores, they would be
Speaker 1: working with Boston Dynamic to create some manner of robotic
Speaker 1: security cat that, like every Walmart would have a greater
Speaker 1: that was also an ED two O nine from RoboCop
Speaker 1: that could just turn around and light people up. Like
Speaker 1: that's that is what would happen in America if this
Speaker 1: was as big a problem as they claim it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: to your point, Alex. The so the way that the
Speaker 1: company's account for this is they lump theft in with
Speaker 1: shrinkage is what they call it, which includes problems they
Speaker 1: have tracking inventory. So like, and people who work at
Speaker 1: Walmart are like, no, that like it's a small part
Speaker 1: of that. It's most of the problem is that they
Speaker 1: lose track of inventory because it's a massive store, and
Speaker 1: like you know, things get lost or they over order
Speaker 1: and the orders are under delivered, and it's just like
Speaker 1: general businessman fuck ups, and of course they don't want
Speaker 1: First of all, that's more boring than showing videos of
Speaker 1: you know, an isolated incident of a shoplifter, you know,
Speaker 1: doing something awesome like shoplifting. Yeah, exactly. The name is
Speaker 1: out of control. Yeah, I feel like it was a
Speaker 1: corporate ploy, like from the top of the top, like
Speaker 1: they had a meeting. They sat down and they were like,
Speaker 1: how can we get away with making people think that
Speaker 1: we're losing money? I know, have them check out themselves.
Speaker 1: How do we make ourselves the victims in this store?
Speaker 1: This narrative where we just like parachute into the middle
Speaker 1: of a community and put all of the businesses out
Speaker 1: of out of business by just you know, using our
Speaker 1: massive scale. I know, we claim that after we've put
Speaker 1: all those businesses out of business and people are so
Speaker 1: hungry they have to occasionally shoplift, we blame the shoplift
Speaker 1: for rising prices because yeah, and then they put in
Speaker 1: that prime option, right, so it's like right here, you
Speaker 1: go check yourself out. There gets Okay, don't worry about it. Hey,
Speaker 1: we're not going to arrest you laters. Stop it. That's
Speaker 1: the other thing we talked about is that a lot
Speaker 1: of the shrinkage that's happening is because and a lot
Speaker 1: of the theft is driven by the fact that they
Speaker 1: have switched to automated checkouts. Right, Automated checkout systems make
Speaker 1: it much easier to shoplift. They have. It's not like
Speaker 1: they were not aware of that when they switched to
Speaker 1: automated systems. They just made the calculation that the theft
Speaker 1: was not going to cost them as much as they
Speaker 1: were saving by not having to pay human employees. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just they just built it in and now they're
Speaker 1: like finding one video of one guy, right, and especially
Speaker 1: honestly shout out to anybody's shoplifting food. Keep it up.
Speaker 1: There is humongous food waste all across America all the time.
Speaker 1: We have a community fridge here that we've been like
Speaker 1: getting stuff for and it turns out you can just
Speaker 1: because stores are like, we don't sell all this stuff
Speaker 1: have it. So if you're shoplifting it, you're basically doing
Speaker 1: it that good. You're putting the food use like you
Speaker 1: know legally, I did not tell you to do that.
Speaker 1: Legal handwif read you know, wink wink quick Alex did
Speaker 1: put parents. He did put bracket around the brackets around
Speaker 1: the whole thing with his hands, so legally you cannot
Speaker 1: sue him. Official, so official, yes. So they grow out
Speaker 1: so much too, Like have you ever seen the dumpsters
Speaker 1: behind a Walmart? Like they push it to the end possible,
Speaker 1: like the possible degree of like this is still kind
Speaker 1: of good, but not really, but I would rather throw
Speaker 1: it away that give it to you. So it's like
Speaker 1: there their purchase orders and like the whole thing is
Speaker 1: just such a mess that it's just kind of hilarious
Speaker 1: to me that they're confused. I was reading in the old.
Speaker 1: I was reading an old I forget what it was,
Speaker 1: but it was like an old work of nonfiction, like
Speaker 1: from I think it was like the eighties or nine. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think it was a City of Courts actually about La,
Speaker 1: like the really great history of La and everybody should
Speaker 1: check it out. But the author is writing about this
Speaker 1: new thing that they're seeing, and he like can't get
Speaker 1: his mind around it. And it's that they put locks
Speaker 1: on their dumpsters too, and he's just like how dystopian
Speaker 1: is this world where they're putting locks on their dumpsters
Speaker 1: And that's something that I've like took Mike Davis as
Speaker 1: the author. So Mike Davis is like writing in the
Speaker 1: about Los Angeles in the early nine these like late eighties,
Speaker 1: as like they've started putting locks on the dumpsters to
Speaker 1: prevent people from getting to the food that they're wasting.
Speaker 1: Like what is happening? And that's something that I just
Speaker 1: was like hedge taken for granted a long time ago
Speaker 1: that that's just something corporations do. But it's interesting to
Speaker 1: see see somebody see it again with fresh eyes and
Speaker 1: just be like, oh no, what are we becoming? And
Speaker 1: then the guy from the corporation is like, not only
Speaker 1: could they get food out of this, they could use
Speaker 1: it for shelter. Imagine that horrible event, right if someone
Speaker 1: did that, if they have like yes, because this is
Speaker 1: my top choice, right, Like I definitely want to be
Speaker 1: in the meat dumpster behind the Walmart in the middle
Speaker 1: of a blizzard. You know that's a Friday for me? Um?
Speaker 1: Oh is that where I know you from? Were we
Speaker 1: in the same in the same This is what kids
Speaker 1: are doing these days? This is where they party, is
Speaker 1: that the dumpsters behind walmarts to get free handouts. The
Speaker 1: other article that I was seeing a lot of a
Speaker 1: few weeks back is a supposed deep dive by New
Speaker 1: York Magazine that like goes into the seed underbelly of
Speaker 1: these crime rings that are supposedly driving this out of
Speaker 1: control problem in New York and that it like definitely
Speaker 1: starts from the position of, Hey, you're in New York.
Speaker 1: You've seen that all of your like all the things
Speaker 1: that Walgreens and Dwayne Reid are locked in big clear
Speaker 1: plastic boxes. What's up with that? And so they're you know,
Speaker 1: use that as the starting point, and they're like, crime
Speaker 1: is out of control, and they get listened to these people,
Speaker 1: you know, the industry experts who are like they're actually
Speaker 1: big organized crime rings or these people called boosters who
Speaker 1: just nine to five take stuff from store shelves. That's
Speaker 1: an organized crime wave. And they find no evidence of that,
Speaker 1: like all all the shoplifting is. He doesn't find a
Speaker 1: single example of somebody who's a shoplifter, like a regular
Speaker 1: shoplifter who's not trying to support an addiction, like a
Speaker 1: drug habit like that. It's just desperate people. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: of these stories are like almost just scorsesy movies or
Speaker 1: something like. Just get your entertainment that way, folks, you
Speaker 1: don't need to read these faky news stories that claim
Speaker 1: this is going got like, just consume crime fiction. There's
Speaker 1: so much of it out there. Yeah, just go all
Speaker 1: the way they're coming for the couponers next, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: i'd see that at the arc light or whatever. Sure, yeah, totally.
Speaker 1: Like my Southwest, they openly acknowledge like their statistics are
Speaker 1: impossible to buy, but they don't acknowledge that the fact
Speaker 1: that statistics are impossible to come by is because the
Speaker 1: companies don't want you to know, like that it's not
Speaker 1: as big a problem as you that as your story
Speaker 1: wants it to be. And then there's just a lot
Speaker 1: of language like this to the extent that there has
Speaker 1: been a nationwide spike in shoplifting and the problem likely
Speaker 1: got worse during the pandemic. So it's just a lot
Speaker 1: of those words that if you have like taken a
Speaker 1: journalism course or something, you're like, uh huh, oh okay,
Speaker 1: So we were just suppose supposing that there is this
Speaker 1: problem that this entire article is predicated on because it's
Speaker 1: clunky enough that it sounds like they forced the anti
Speaker 1: shoplifting robot to write it, like they sat about a computer,
Speaker 1: beat their big metal hands at it. Yeah, you tell
Speaker 1: them what was right? You tell them? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: This is a quote from the area. Every generation goes
Speaker 1: through a shoplifting panic, and comprehensive data on this frequently
Speaker 1: unreported crime is nearly impossible to come by, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's there's a reason why you're you're getting the scoop
Speaker 1: on this one. And other journalistic institutions have not done
Speaker 1: their big shoplifting article yet, but it doesn't stop people
Speaker 1: from writing about. The New York Post had a headline
Speaker 1: Walmart too close remaining Portland stores as crime ridden city
Speaker 1: battles shoplifting wave. So it's you know, it's going to
Speaker 1: keep going, unfortunately, and that's frustrating. But as long as
Speaker 1: as long as we know, you know, as long as
Speaker 1: we know the truth. I feel like I'm talking to
Speaker 1: like a five year old. Well, you know, you have friends,
Speaker 1: so don't listen to them. They're bullies. Yeah I do.
Speaker 1: I do. Always kind of hope this story will this
Speaker 1: kind of story will wear itself out, you know, like
Speaker 1: every every election they've been doing a conservative story about
Speaker 1: a migrant care van, and you would think there's not
Speaker 1: enough juice in that to do it eternally, you know,
Speaker 1: And so hopefully this one wears out too. Everybody owns
Speaker 1: a thesaurus over there, right, like they're just lifting in
Speaker 1: every way. You just headline again, different words though, yeah,
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah. And by the way, if you're shoplifting
Speaker 1: at the saurus almost as good as shoplifting food, keep
Speaker 1: it up. That's that's just gonna teach you stuff. That's
Speaker 1: I honor that we support the shoplifting of food. And
Speaker 1: the sourus size I don't know. I don't know the
Speaker 1: souss of all the time to not have one, oh boy,
Speaker 1: oh geez. Does the sourus have the soaurus in it?
Speaker 1: Does it have the word the sourus in it? It
Speaker 1: just creates a black hole when you look for it.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, this is I don't know. There's I'm
Speaker 1: reminded a lot in covering the news these days. I'm
Speaker 1: remind did a lot of the documentary hyper Normalization and
Speaker 1: just the concept of that, which is that we created
Speaker 1: this massive global economy that is too powerful and has
Speaker 1: too much inertia for anybody to do anything about. So
Speaker 1: we're all and have been for the past, like since
Speaker 1: the eighties, just been sitting back and watching whatever it
Speaker 1: chooses to do. Like whatever this massive like hyper I
Speaker 1: don't know, I wouldn't call it a hyper intelligence, but
Speaker 1: like it's making decisions that aren't controlled by any human
Speaker 1: and we're just sitting back, like watching it and trying
Speaker 1: to tell a story around it. At this you just
Speaker 1: described the shape monster from Dogma. Yeah, yeah, well Dogma
Speaker 1: Guts first thing that popped in my head. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the with climate with and yeah anything with
Speaker 1: it prices change, it prices going up, and people needing
Speaker 1: to steal to eat, and it's all just sitting back
Speaker 1: and trying to tell stories about this thing that. You know,
Speaker 1: we talked yesterday about this massive drilling project that Biden
Speaker 1: just approved, and it's like this vast chunk of land
Speaker 1: in Alaska, and in order to make it possible, they
Speaker 1: have to put chillers into the earth to make the
Speaker 1: earth cold enough for them to be able to drill
Speaker 1: into the earth to get the oil out, which will
Speaker 1: then exacerbate climate change. And it's it's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: he ran on stopping these sorts of things, but it's
Speaker 1: there's just this massive machine that's out of everybody's control,
Speaker 1: and everybody's just posturing around it. Basically, I see the
Speaker 1: next story here. It's about lunchables, just humongous economy forces.
Speaker 1: I'm imagining like a lunchable's pizza over the earth, like
Speaker 1: the Independent Stayship. Yes, like we're just yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm ready welcome to Earth. And he takes a bite
Speaker 1: out of it, you know. Yeah, all right, let's take
Speaker 1: a quick break and we'll come back and talk about
Speaker 1: good news such as the lunchables will now be a
Speaker 1: core part of school lunches. We'll be right back, and
Speaker 1: we're back and speaking of the extra Extra Cheesy because
Speaker 1: that is one of the flavors that made it into
Speaker 1: like made it through the school nutrition filter and is
Speaker 1: going to be on offer. There's the turkey cheese crackers
Speaker 1: and the extra cheesy pizza is the other version of
Speaker 1: lunchables that will children will be able to buy for
Speaker 1: school lunch next year that I never did, you guys
Speaker 1: ever eat the cheese pizza version of lunchables that always
Speaker 1: grossed me out so much, far too many times, my friend,
Speaker 1: far too many times. How does it not feel like
Speaker 1: you're eating a pizza before it's in the oven? Or
Speaker 1: is that what it feels like? To be fair, I
Speaker 1: was living in Florida at the time, so if you
Speaker 1: just left it outside for a little while, you were
Speaker 1: good there you go, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly,
Speaker 1: and nothing else would eat it. So it was great,
Speaker 1: Like you could put it on the sidewalk at the bottom,
Speaker 1: you know, ants wouldn't touch it. You're like, this is
Speaker 1: this is totally good for me. I'm gonna put this
Speaker 1: in my pie hole. Super gross. The ants just move
Speaker 1: out of the neighborhood. So the story is framed as
Speaker 1: you know, as a story would be in the United States,
Speaker 1: as a success story for I mean, we're like we've
Speaker 1: been talking about how the new go to movie protagonist
Speaker 1: is like brands that we like, you know, the The
Speaker 1: Air Jordan one of my favorite most beloved brands. There's
Speaker 1: a movie coming out that is where that's essentially the protagonists.
Speaker 1: They didn't even cast anybody to play Michael Jordan. It's
Speaker 1: just the story of like people coming up with the
Speaker 1: marketing idea that people like. People I've heard of who
Speaker 1: saw it say it's good. It's directed by Ben Affleck,
Speaker 1: who has made things that I've enjoyed in the past.
Speaker 1: But when when I was growing up in Chicago, I
Speaker 1: had a lot of posters on my wall of the
Speaker 1: shoe company executives who had developed Yeah that film Nights
Speaker 1: poster where he's just kind of leaning against a wall
Speaker 1: and a brown blazer. Yeah, but this ABC News story
Speaker 1: is kind of written from that perspective. The opening sentence,
Speaker 1: Kraft Times has succeeded in getting it's ready to eat
Speaker 1: packaged lunchables into school lunch programs starting this fall in
Speaker 1: a major new initiative. So we know who our protagonist is.
Speaker 1: It's the Kraft Times company, and they've apparently been trying
Speaker 1: to do this for a while. Like, that's what I
Speaker 1: got from that whole line. Yes, Oh, this isn't new. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's been a long effort of just having honest conversations
Speaker 1: and probably no lobbying efforts or anything like that. No,
Speaker 1: it's right, it's probably been. Yeah, this is the problem
Speaker 1: with having a society that is run by massive multinational
Speaker 1: corporations who are ultimately making the decisions and like have
Speaker 1: the power to bend regulatory agencies to their will. So,
Speaker 1: in what seems like a major emission of guilt, in
Speaker 1: order to get their food for kids served alongside you know,
Speaker 1: burnt rectangular pizza, Sloppy Joe's, like the stuff that is
Speaker 1: normally in school lunches, they had to reformulate the ingredients
Speaker 1: to meet the guidelines of like stuff that you should
Speaker 1: be allowed to serve two kids that's actually put food
Speaker 1: in it. Yes, yeah, well we can't just give them salt.
Speaker 1: It would It would be funny if these are amazing. Now,
Speaker 1: I do want to see one where like it comes
Speaker 1: out and it's this amazing gourmet pizza or something, because beautiful.
Speaker 1: I would just watch all the all the kids squirting
Speaker 1: that sauce onto that cracker which is a pizza, and
Speaker 1: I just never looked great. But man, I've read the
Speaker 1: ingredients and I love that the sauces that it says
Speaker 1: like red an orange vegetable paste, and I'm like, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what that means. I don't even
Speaker 1: do I want to know what that means. I think
Speaker 1: that's that's always a real problem when they go from
Speaker 1: extremely complicated scientific terms that like make your brain hurt
Speaker 1: to even try and like figure out how to pronounce
Speaker 1: them back to something that is like extra basic like
Speaker 1: natural flavors or yeah, red and orange vegetable paste is like, oh,
Speaker 1: why are you guys being so vague? That is that
Speaker 1: suggests there is danger here. Hey, we disclosed both colors. Okay,
Speaker 1: we disclosed both colors, being very open about this, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you should have seen it first. Okay, it was a
Speaker 1: really horrible ship round and we managed to make it
Speaker 1: work with some food coloring and some pure carries, like
Speaker 1: you've got this, Like that's and that is the act
Speaker 1: one break where you where they succeed in getting the
Speaker 1: brown paste to look red. And that's when that that's
Speaker 1: what gets people excited for. That's like the inciting incident
Speaker 1: in the in the movie about lunchables getting to be
Speaker 1: the school lunch directed by Ben Affleck It so it
Speaker 1: looks more like pizza every day, Like I really want
Speaker 1: to see that. That that movie would be amazing, Like
Speaker 1: obviously you couldn't, you'd have to call them something different,
Speaker 1: but yeah, just a really straight faced, triumphant tale of
Speaker 1: them trying to get these under the sensors who are like,
Speaker 1: this is this isn't food, Like I can't, it can't
Speaker 1: in good conscience. Let let you sell this to children.
Speaker 1: And they're like, go back to the drawing board. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be food. You get on board. Yeah, they're like,
Speaker 1: it's food to me. Musical yeah, immediately you have to
Speaker 1: break out his song. It's so bad, like yeah, but
Speaker 1: they still will be selling the sodium bomb variety that
Speaker 1: I'm pretty like, when I eat something that is this
Speaker 1: high in sodium, I look the next day like my
Speaker 1: face was like be stung all over the place from
Speaker 1: just the amount of water retention that happens when you
Speaker 1: have this much sodium. But I have been giving your
Speaker 1: bees so much grief and now I too, Yeah, the
Speaker 1: whole hive. I know. Well that's what I tell people.
Speaker 1: I slew forward, I've been be stung. But it's actually
Speaker 1: just ate four bowls of ramen the night before instant
Speaker 1: ramen choices. Can't open my eyes all the way. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I don't know that this feels like what we
Speaker 1: should expect. This is what our best scientific minds are
Speaker 1: working on, Like now that they've mastered the doritos, like
Speaker 1: the mouth feel of the nacho cheese doritos and made
Speaker 1: them like as addictive as possible, and you know, figured
Speaker 1: out how to turn them into taco bell taco shells.
Speaker 1: They are onto bringing the cold, extra cheesy pizza factory
Speaker 1: aid meals like just under the barrier for nutrition guidelines
Speaker 1: and still addictive enough to probably warp the entire health
Speaker 1: of these children for years to come. But I don't
Speaker 1: know the the other goal here that they really By
Speaker 1: reading an article wherein Kraft Hinds is the protagonist, you
Speaker 1: get this they're just openly like sharing what their goals are.
Speaker 1: Like they said one of the main selling points for
Speaker 1: schools is that the lunchables for schools don't need to
Speaker 1: be frozen but kept refrigerated, quote, minimizing school labor needs
Speaker 1: and costs. So it's just a way to cut out
Speaker 1: more labor to fire lunch ladies essentially, I don't know
Speaker 1: how they're saving costs them, like does it It's going
Speaker 1: to create more waste, right, oh for sure? So doubt
Speaker 1: you're gonna spend more in disposing of this waste that
Speaker 1: you're definitely not going to recycled, right and right, which
Speaker 1: even if you did recycle, it probably wouldn't actually get recycled, right,
Speaker 1: so like the cycle continues, you know, fun times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is related to Walmart in the
Speaker 1: sense that a lot of capitalism for the past like
Speaker 1: thirty years has just been reformatting, like our markets and
Speaker 1: our you know, societies, so that all of the is
Speaker 1: just being like siphoned by these big central corporations, right,
Speaker 1: and so this is another way to just cut out
Speaker 1: any spending that goes to the local community, like in
Speaker 1: the form of chefs who come into the schools and
Speaker 1: like make hot lunches for children, Like you gotta get
Speaker 1: rid of that, because that's wasted spending. We could just
Speaker 1: be getting that money directly here at Kraft Hinds and
Speaker 1: just siphon all the money directly to a publicly traded corporation.
Speaker 1: I also wonder, like, what are the pharmaceutical drugs that
Speaker 1: are going to come from this being advertised to children
Speaker 1: going to look like, right, here's for your hypertension, and
Speaker 1: it's in the shape of a you know, yeah, to
Speaker 1: be like flintstone gummies, you know, for hypertension, and like
Speaker 1: seven year olds, Yeah, don't worry. We used every color again.
Speaker 1: We are really big on the whole rainbow. You know
Speaker 1: the rainbow, right, great, we used the whole rainbow. Looked
Speaker 1: at him. You don't know what a zucchini is, but
Speaker 1: you know, you know what this color is, right, It
Speaker 1: kind of looks like something healthy. Yeah, you don't know
Speaker 1: what zucchini is, but you know green vegetable paste that
Speaker 1: you get to spread on your turkey and cheese crackers.
Speaker 1: We actually have to put the turkey and quotes on
Speaker 1: the box, unfortunately, but yeah, you again, if we read
Speaker 1: it out loud, we have to say it in a
Speaker 1: really sarcastic voice. It's just it's the law. We follow
Speaker 1: law right for the purposes of and by the instruction
Speaker 1: of our legal department that will be making this entire
Speaker 1: statement in air quotes. Thank you. And then so I
Speaker 1: just want to read this other quote from later on
Speaker 1: the article. But offering lunchables in school cafeterias might be
Speaker 1: welcome in some school districts that are struggling with higher
Speaker 1: food costs than labor shortages, says Diane Prett Hevner, spokesperson
Speaker 1: for the School Nutrition Association, a trade group with fifty
Speaker 1: thousand members representing school food service providers. So the it's
Speaker 1: that that seems like, okay, that person was on part
Speaker 1: of an organization that got lobbied to ship to uselessness.
Speaker 1: But also just the higher food costs and labor shortages
Speaker 1: are also these talking points of like, well, you could
Speaker 1: lower the prices on food because the inflation was really
Speaker 1: just a thing where fuel companies decided to raise raise
Speaker 1: prices and get more get more money. And then labor
Speaker 1: shortages is the thing where it's you know, sorry, guys,
Speaker 1: we can't open the bar because nobody wants to work anymore.
Speaker 1: It's like like some school districts are struggling, like in
Speaker 1: other words, marginalized communities that we don't want to feed properly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like that's exactly what they're trying to say, Like we
Speaker 1: know these kids at like charter schools and like these
Speaker 1: really really well funded areas are not going to be
Speaker 1: eating extra extra cheesy lunchable hardwork pizza. Right. Yes, they're
Speaker 1: ordering from like door dash for lunch. They're like, Mom,
Speaker 1: I'm having sushi. Don't care what's on this lunch many right,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have it delivered for me today. So I
Speaker 1: also find that that's kind of funny. Like the way
Speaker 1: that they tend to work those things make it seem
Speaker 1: like they're trying to really help in a situation where
Speaker 1: they're actually just making things so much worse for those
Speaker 1: children in those communities. Yes, yeah, I also wonder if
Speaker 1: if kids know how powerful this Kraft Heinz company is, right.
Speaker 1: I think I was a kid when they merged those
Speaker 1: used to be two companies, and they were already huge,
Speaker 1: and then they were yeah even, and then they just decided,
Speaker 1: we don't like to compete with each other, and let's
Speaker 1: just be all of the food. Like like, there's there's
Speaker 1: so many levers for solving the problem they have described,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to just be their favorite lever
Speaker 1: to pull, you know what I mean, We can we
Speaker 1: can do other ways to do this. Yeah. I also
Speaker 1: wonder if they saw the school lunch debt stories that
Speaker 1: we all saw. Instead of seeing like a problem that
Speaker 1: illustrated how bad things have gotten in our country, they
Speaker 1: like saw an opportunity to like get some of that
Speaker 1: squeet sweet school lunch money. They're cool school lunch debt,
Speaker 1: you say, that's that's where it's at. School lunches call
Speaker 1: a lot of money. Anyways, what did you guys have
Speaker 1: a favorite lunchable. Let's on the back end, so let's
Speaker 1: talk seriously though lunchibles. I do think lugibles made me
Speaker 1: like crackers and cheese and crackers more than I otherwise
Speaker 1: would have. I still really love cheese and crackers, I
Speaker 1: think because lunchables, my brain like lit up every time
Speaker 1: I got to eat. My parents didn't give me lunchables
Speaker 1: and I was mad at them for that at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't given them and I felt left out, But
Speaker 1: also I think that led me to believe they're incredibly
Speaker 1: expensive when I don't actually know that they are or not.
Speaker 1: I just I was just like, why do the other
Speaker 1: kids have that? But I had a lot of like
Speaker 1: similar food, and I really liked ritz bits in a
Speaker 1: similar cheese and crackers way where it was two tiny
Speaker 1: ritzes and then like a cheesy spread in the middle,
Speaker 1: which is probably lunchables essentially, and was great. It was
Speaker 1: really good powdered cheese twin two crackers. Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: with quotes around it and you have to say it
Speaker 1: real sarcastic and yeah, yeah, absolutely, I got whatever it
Speaker 1: was on sale, so like, yeah, yeah, my mom was
Speaker 1: like here you go. What's on sale. It's on sale
Speaker 1: in bulk. Yeah, I think the day that she got
Speaker 1: like a it used to be a different store, but
Speaker 1: now I guess it's bought It got bought up by Costco. Right,
Speaker 1: so price Club. Right, She's like, I have a membership.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. What am I gonna do? Lunchables in bulk? Like, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't ask me for nothing. I don't want you to
Speaker 1: ask me for snacks, don't ask me for breakfast, don't
Speaker 1: ask me for dinner. That's right. Yeah. And when I
Speaker 1: like read the story about the tremendous success of lunchables,
Speaker 1: it was in a book that was at least partially
Speaker 1: about like the obesity epidemic and in the country, and
Speaker 1: how these companies like it was basically the people who
Speaker 1: manufactured the smoking like you know, got everybody addicted to cigarettes.
Speaker 1: Like once those became less and less legal and more
Speaker 1: and more regulated, they shifted their focus to food and
Speaker 1: basically use the same approach to get people addicted to
Speaker 1: their food and make money and drove the obesity epidemic.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean they're still regulators, but they regulators
Speaker 1: don't stand a chance with Kraft Hyns. They wouldn't stand
Speaker 1: a chance with Kraft or Hims, let alone Kraft Hynes
Speaker 1: now that they're one giant conglomerate, like you own everything. Yeah, well, Denise,
Speaker 1: it's been such a pleasure having you on the daily zeitgeist.
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff.
Speaker 1: I am not a huge fan of Twitter, so you
Speaker 1: can find me on Instagram. There you go at the
Speaker 1: Vampdeville and on my website at the vampdeville dot com,
Speaker 1: where you can find out what I'm up to and
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. It's pretty much the only place that
Speaker 1: I'm hanging out. There you go. I wish I was
Speaker 1: more social media friend? Is there that I think that's
Speaker 1: probably healthy? Yeah? Yeah, that's great. Yeah, I'm in one
Speaker 1: place that's it. Is there a work of media that
Speaker 1: you've been enjoying. It's so funny. It was so hard
Speaker 1: for me too because I was like, I don't tweet,
Speaker 1: so there was no tweets. But then what I saw
Speaker 1: going around recently is the quote from Peggy noun In's
Speaker 1: article in The Wall Street Journal about Ronda Santas where
Speaker 1: she's like, he carries a vibe as I've said that
Speaker 1: he might unplug your life support to recharge his cell phone.
Speaker 1: It was like, I have never heard a human being
Speaker 1: described so elegant, eloquently, perfectly. Damn Peggy Bars fucking ethered him.
Speaker 1: It was great. It's everywhere, like especially interesting because she
Speaker 1: will eventually endorse him. That's all right, yeah, but it's okay,
Speaker 1: it's okay. His phone is charged, his phone will be charged.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden would let my iPhone run out of battery
Speaker 1: or whatever? Yeah, that fast, you know, Alex? How about you?
Speaker 1: Where can people find you? Is their work of media?
Speaker 1: You've been enjoying? I I've been enjoying watching TikTok's in general,
Speaker 1: and especially a specific kind where people take their house
Speaker 1: pet and then they play that old Mister Sandman song
Speaker 1: under it, like bum bum bum bump bump bump bum.
Speaker 1: But then you split up the frame and so then
Speaker 1: it looks like a bunch of your cat. You like
Speaker 1: lift it through like it's a synchronized swimmer in those
Speaker 1: Buzzby Berkeley musicals. It's great. That's the main media I'm enjoying.
Speaker 1: And if you go on TikTok, I hope the algorithm
Speaker 1: gives you one, it's the best. Well, now, how are
Speaker 1: none of those nominated for an Academy Award. There's so
Speaker 1: many categories for shorts. How like they fu Yeah, that
Speaker 1: sounds like art glories. I see what you did there? Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: well as a song that we think you might enjoy.
Speaker 1: Superproducer Justin has been absolutely killing it with the recommendations.
Speaker 1: I believe that somebody created a playlist with some of his,
Speaker 1: if if not most, of his song recommendations. If we
Speaker 1: ever find that, yeah, I hope that's true. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: look for it, but yeah, I think I saw it
Speaker 1: in the discord. If you did that, reach out to
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Speaker 1: the footnotes. But Justin, what is the song that you
Speaker 1: think people will be enjoying today. Well, considering the discussion
Speaker 1: of psychedelics up top, I wanted to suggest this track.
Speaker 1: Please forgive me if I suggested this song before. I
Speaker 1: truly can't remember. Sometimes it just means it's extra good.
Speaker 1: If you did, you should check it out again. Yeah, okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan of the Beatles, but I do
Speaker 1: find myself liking the psychedelic rock that they inspired, and
Speaker 1: this track sounds like if they took a lot of
Speaker 1: acid and scored a cosmic car chase sequence. Um, it's
Speaker 1: a song called the fuzz Jam. This is a band
Speaker 1: from Australia called The Lazy Eyes. They're very inventive. I
Speaker 1: think their first album just came out last year, So yeah,
Speaker 1: check them out. This is fuzz Jam by the Lazy
Speaker 1: Eyes and you can find that song in the foot notes. Also,
Speaker 1: somebody needs to just create a poetry book of Justin's
Speaker 1: descriptions of the songs that he recommends, because always so good,
Speaker 1: so great. If the Beatles took a lot of acid
Speaker 1: and scored a cosmic car chase, I think, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the first thing that popped in my head. I feel
Speaker 1: like people will agree with me. It's the only image
Speaker 1: that came to my mind. It's it's right there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, yep, that's it. Amazing. Well. The Daily Zeitgeist
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