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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. It's almost like, after thirty years, he's become

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Speaker 1: an overnight sensation, because it feels like the rest of

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Speaker 1: America is now experiencing Chris mad Dog Russo because he's

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Speaker 1: on First Take with Stephen A. Smith. Chris has been

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Speaker 1: doing this for a long long time, battling anybody, everybody,

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Speaker 1: mad Dog unleashed on Sirius XM Serious. That's Channel eighty

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Speaker 1: two hosts a high heat on Major League Baseball Network.

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Speaker 1: Congrats Chris on this overnight success out of nowhere. Danny.

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Speaker 1: You know how much it loves coming on. How you

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Speaker 1: doing poll? Okay, I'm good, I'm good. You argue for

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Speaker 1: a living. But when you go on First Take, how much,

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Speaker 1: say do you have in those topics that you're going

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Speaker 1: to be exploring? You know more than I thought. You know,

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Speaker 1: you did a little baseball a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: I suggested maybe something on Chashevski yesterday because obviously you

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Speaker 1: today at noon, so I thought you had to do

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Speaker 1: a little college basketball. You know, I'm careful at Stevie's show,

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Speaker 1: So I mean I get, you know, a new guy

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Speaker 1: thought maybe you had to do something on Calvin Ridley,

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Speaker 1: you know, with the gambling thing with the one year

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Speaker 1: either they agreed on that anyway. But I mean, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, I will basically I will be gentle, but

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Speaker 1: I'll suggest, you know, what the hell. I've been doing

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Speaker 1: this for a long time, and as you said, it's

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Speaker 1: almost like I'm been debate my whole life. Half the

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Speaker 1: time on Sirius, I'm talking to myself for three hours.

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Speaker 1: So as a result, I come up on topics. I

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Speaker 1: did it with Mike for nineteen years. I've been on

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Speaker 1: all these I've been on with your show a million times.

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Speaker 1: You know. I've had plenty of debates going back to

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Speaker 1: your days at sports Time, so it's almost like I've

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Speaker 1: been trained to do this. So I'm usually fairly comfortable.

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Speaker 1: I think the two sports I'm a little shaky with

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Speaker 1: right now, and there was a big boxing match Steeds great.

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Speaker 1: With that, I'd have a little work to do. And

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Speaker 1: more into the college, you know, maybe it could be

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Speaker 1: I have to do that. But I've had a little say,

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Speaker 1: I've had some say and what I think in a

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Speaker 1: two hour thing, it's a long time, two hours to talk.

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Speaker 1: So I've had a little say, a little say the

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Speaker 1: art of winning an argument? What is your art of

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Speaker 1: winning an argument? Well, the old days with Mike, it

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Speaker 1: was a case of you know, outscreaming him and and

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Speaker 1: sort of wearing him down, you know, the battle of attrition.

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Speaker 1: And I've actually Mike would or me would just throw

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Speaker 1: up the white flag, you know, and I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to win this when the hell of it all right,

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Speaker 1: you win in this particular situation where you don't want

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Speaker 1: to come across as a loudmouth bully. As you said,

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Speaker 1: you know who an America, those two Christus. So it

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Speaker 1: is so you have to be a little more gentle.

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Speaker 1: And again, you know, I still consider myself almost as

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Speaker 1: I don't want to overstay at my bounds. But the

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Speaker 1: great thing about him, and I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: know him that well, Dan, you may, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what your relationship. But the great thing about him is

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Speaker 1: he doesn't care who gets to credit as long as

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Speaker 1: the show is good. A lot of guys wouldn't do

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Speaker 1: it that way. You know, in my show, I've been

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Speaker 1: doing it for ten years. You're a guest, and you're

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Speaker 1: gonna follow my lead. He doesn't seem to have that attitude.

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Speaker 1: So as resold, if I want to scream and yell

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Speaker 1: me do that. So I think I've learned in my

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Speaker 1: an argument and still look bad. You know you can,

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Speaker 1: And you also want to be likable. I mean, right,

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Speaker 1: the radio. I think I didn't know this fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 1: the way, he's got a new series of episodes on

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Speaker 1: his Digging Up the Pass podcast debuts this month. You

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Speaker 1: focus on the history of the NCAA tournament. First episode

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Speaker 1: is Magic Bird nineteen seventy nine title game, and you

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Speaker 1: can get that on the Serious XM app. What's the

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Speaker 1: one thing that you would want the audience to take

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Speaker 1: away from this that maybe you discovered on Bird Magic

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine. Yeah, it's a This is gonna be

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Speaker 1: all about the eighties, and we did the first half

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Speaker 1: We're gonna break it down into five parts to switch

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Speaker 1: Classic Games, and the Bird Magic thing. Obviously Magic and

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent. That's what That's what Ryan said emphatically, Packer.

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Speaker 1: He's Jason Clark, great actor zero Dark thirty. He was

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Speaker 1: the star of That or One of the Stars, and

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Speaker 1: he portrays Jerry West in the new HBO series about

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Speaker 1: the Showtime Lakers called Winning Time Jason Clark joining us

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Speaker 1: on the program. What do people say when they see

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Speaker 1: you on the street. It's funny, it depends where I am,

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Speaker 1: Like when I come in, when I fly into the airport, say,

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Speaker 1: a lot of the guys wreck service from there and

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Speaker 1: they've seen zero duct thirty, so they're always very respectful.

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Speaker 1: And I find that, you know, with every you know,

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Speaker 1: police officers from Chicago that I wanted to Chicago Code,

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Speaker 1: they're always lovely to me whenever I go there, and

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Speaker 1: on the whole. Other than that, a lot of the

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Speaker 1: general public that don't really understand or know that I'm Australian,

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Speaker 1: or they don't recognize me, or would somebody do it

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Speaker 1: kind of like, okay. They're very nice though. But I

447
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: asked Keith Urban about this that he's got that Australian accent.

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Speaker 1: He's from Australia. But I didn't realize it until you

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Speaker 1: talk to him and then you're like, damn, it just

450
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Speaker 1: is so strange, and he goes, no, it's not. He goes,

451
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Speaker 1: you know, the Beatles were from England, and you know

452
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Speaker 1: when they sang, nobody said, oh, they sound like they're

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Speaker 1: from England. How do you how do you make that

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Speaker 1: transition from that accent to just sounding like you're American.

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Speaker 1: You have to. I mean, it's like, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: kind of it's a blessing actually in my mind, because

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Speaker 1: it makes you not lazy because you have to do

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Speaker 1: a different accent In Australia. The Australian accents are is

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Speaker 1: a very you know, way back in the mouth and

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Speaker 1: you know, how are you doing? You know, you can't

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Speaker 1: really understand, you know, but it makes you do the

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Speaker 1: work Dan, you know, and that's um. You know, I

463
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Speaker 1: find a person's voice, or a person's accent, you know,

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Speaker 1: where they speak from, gives a lot of indication of

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Speaker 1: who they are and what they're about, you know, and

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Speaker 1: how they grew up for you know, for Jerry West,

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Speaker 1: I did you know, the governor of West Virginia. But

468
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Speaker 1: like his accent is stronger than Jerry's. Say so I

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Speaker 1: will use that to warm up and get my muscles

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Speaker 1: going bigger, and then I'll come back to Jerry's as

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Speaker 1: well to turn it down a bit. You know, did

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Speaker 1: you meet Jerry West before playing Jerry West? No, I

473
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Speaker 1: met him on your show. Watching a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: with a lot of your interviews and listening to a

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Speaker 1: lot of actually listened to a lot of your stuff.

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Speaker 1: Then I was very excited to talk to you, and

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Speaker 1: I thought about contacting you before we were shooting, but

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Speaker 1: you know, I knew that you and Jerry were friends,

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Speaker 1: and I you know, I didn't want to intrude on

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Speaker 1: him and his and his business more than I have,

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Speaker 1: so you know, it was it was through you know,

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Speaker 1: You're Westwood, which I loved. It was through your interviews

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Speaker 1: with Jerry over the years, you know, which I listened

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Speaker 1: to of you know, we start early on, you know,

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Speaker 1: but now I use a lot of clear pictures of

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Speaker 1: where he's at. In two thousand and sixteen, there was

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Speaker 1: a vocal. It was an interview that you did. I

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Speaker 1: listened to a lot for his accent and the way

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Speaker 1: he spoke. And then you know and Westward, which I

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Speaker 1: loved in the final interviews you did with him at

491
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Speaker 1: the end, beautiful, really beautiful. What are you trying to

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Speaker 1: capture with Jerry? I guess, I guess it's a I

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Speaker 1: guess it's a funny way. I'm doing my own personal

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Speaker 1: version of west On west an exploration of of you know,

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Speaker 1: this man, this logo, this icon, this this little boy

496
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Speaker 1: from West Virginia. There's this older man who you know,

497
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Speaker 1: lost so many people, including Kobe recently in that and

498
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Speaker 1: and a man who you know. The thing I loved

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Speaker 1: about his book, Dan was he kicked it off with

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Speaker 1: this is this is my exploration of me, you know,

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Speaker 1: and then and then you'd hear his son Ryan read it,

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Speaker 1: which that was really beautiful and that you still see

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Speaker 1: a man trying to understand himself and life and things

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Speaker 1: in it. And that's what it is for me as well,

505
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Speaker 1: to represent who he was at this particular time when

506
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Speaker 1: we could get off in seventy nine, who the writers

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Speaker 1: are writing and then give some kind of essence of,

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Speaker 1: you know, the heart of what it is like to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, a Jerry West. And as an athlete, I

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Speaker 1: was struck by the way he talked about his issues

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Speaker 1: and his problems. And it wasn't like I'm gonna summit

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Speaker 1: up or I'm gonna everything solved. He's an ongoing thing,

513
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Speaker 1: as we all are, and I think we all should

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Speaker 1: be open about and about as we go through life.

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Speaker 1: And and that's what I'm doing. You know, this is

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Speaker 1: no end result, or this is no definitive version, or

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Speaker 1: I think I think I'm the only person to play

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Speaker 1: Jerry West at this point. Am I'm not sure, Probably so,

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Speaker 1: probably so. But I was wondering about as I watched

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Speaker 1: the first episode. You're capturing somebody who was in constant

521
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Speaker 1: kind of conflict with what he was, who he is.

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00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't win it eats away at him.

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Speaker 1: He was MVP but lost the NBA finals. You know,

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Speaker 1: now Jerry Buss is talking about drafting Magic Johnson, and

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Speaker 1: Jerry doesn't want Magic, you know, he wants Sydney Moncrief.

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Speaker 1: Like here, he's so combustible. Even the scene when he's

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Speaker 1: playing golf and he breaks the you know, you break

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Speaker 1: the golf club there. Everything about him is it's so intense, Like,

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Speaker 1: how do you tap into what it is that that

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to kind of unveil? What is it? I

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Speaker 1: think it's like I care so effing Martin. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: and he talks about that, and I've had my own

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Speaker 1: struggles with that, you know, with this the business that

534
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Speaker 1: I'm in, and your loves. You know, when you love big,

535
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Speaker 1: of course, you got to get hurt. It takes you

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Speaker 1: a long time to understand that that's okay though as

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Speaker 1: well because it's just you know, you know, and I

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Speaker 1: can relate to that. He talks about it a lot.

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Speaker 1: I guess so if being much and even at times

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Speaker 1: he tips over into things other people don't care as much,

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Speaker 1: which is a weird judgment as well, and then it

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Speaker 1: leads to a lot of combustibility. But he talked about

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Speaker 1: that with me a couple of times where he couldn't

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Speaker 1: even watch the games. Yeah, he had to drive around

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Speaker 1: Los Angeles during games that he slept with a shotgun

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Speaker 1: under his mattress because he was going to kill his

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Speaker 1: dad if his dad abused his mom again. I just

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine what must like. He hated losing. I

549
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Speaker 1: don't think he loved winning. He just hated losing so much. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you know, and he's one of my favorite people

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Speaker 1: that I've been around. But I didn't play against him.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be a GM when he was

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Speaker 1: being a gel like all the things where you go, Man,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to compete with him. And even now

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Speaker 1: you're competing with what our image is of Jerry West. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's funny. Dan There was interviewed in two thousand and

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Speaker 1: sixteen where he was at he was at the Golden

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Speaker 1: State and he's talking about I didn't like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's players hugging each other and swapping jerseys and all that.

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Speaker 1: You guys are talking about that. And I was actually

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Speaker 1: at the last when they played the Pelicans the other night,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I'm just just sat down with John

563
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Speaker 1: Riley and the first thing I saw and I noticed

564
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Speaker 1: rather than wow, I'm here, I'm court, So I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's two players are hugging each other. They are opposite

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Speaker 1: teams in there. They're giving each other a hut. Jerry,

567
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Speaker 1: would I hate that? Let's go on here, you know

568
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Speaker 1: what I mean? You kick off this. He guys are

569
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Speaker 1: on an illusion street. This is gonna get you know. Um, yeah,

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00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: it's a funny way. There's you know, there's a companies

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Speaker 1: I've loved understanding basketball or beginning to and going into it,

572
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Speaker 1: you know, and I've loved talking to guys like you

573
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Speaker 1: because there seems to be such a wealth of knowledge

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Speaker 1: and preparedness with the interviewers, like everyone we've talked on

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Speaker 1: the sports side of it. You know, this is not

576
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: too disrespected on the film stuff, but there's just a

577
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Speaker 1: deeper understanding of discussing it and thinking about it and

578
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Speaker 1: allowing it to be. And I guess there's more, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's more obvious black and white and sports saying with

580
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Speaker 1: an interpretive art. We're talking to Jason Clarke, he plays

581
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Speaker 1: Jerry West in the new HBO series about the Showtime Lakers.

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Speaker 1: You bring up a great point or a great point

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Speaker 1: has brought up to you about walking like an athlete,

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Speaker 1: and you can see people and you know they were

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Speaker 1: an athlete or they are an athlete. And when Jerry

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00:31:55,640 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: still walks in, he still looks like that that was

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Speaker 1: that's a star, that that that's an athlete. He has

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00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: the long arms. It was just there's a presence about

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00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: him that feels almost a throwback in Hollywood where you're

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00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: back to the black and white era and he just

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Speaker 1: looks like a leading man. Jerry's can I mean yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean people forget Jerry's conducted his life in front

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Speaker 1: of people since high school, since that game in Whispered.

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00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: You know, you'd say, argue that big game with you know,

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Speaker 1: he's conducted himself in front of people for a long, long,

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00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: long time, and and he carries himself in a certain way.

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Speaker 1: You know, absolutely does he still try does He still does?

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00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: He still exercise and he plays at gin. But he's

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that he always looks like he

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Speaker 1: came out of a catalog. Yeah, he looks like he

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Speaker 1: looks after himself. He eats well, you know, yeah, and

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00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 1: takes care of himself without being too It's like Joe

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00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: Demaggio was still alive. You know that that you know,

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Speaker 1: that presence that they when they when he dressed as

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Speaker 1: well though too, I know addresses. No, he's right out

606
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: of GQ. He's right out of a catalog. But but

607
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: you do know when like there's certain actors and you've

608
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Speaker 1: been there in the room when you go oh damn,

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00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: Like somebody walks in and you go oh. When I

610
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: when I met Michael Douglas, I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: that's a movie star when when he walked in. And

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Speaker 1: it's fascinating, isn't it. You know. One of the things

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Speaker 1: was Heath Ledger. I knew Heath many many years ago,

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Speaker 1: and Heath always had something about him that was you know,

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Speaker 1: quite expecially quite straordinary. He knew that, you know, something

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Speaker 1: He gravit, you know, and the camera gravitates to him.

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Speaker 1: People gravitated to him. Clint Eastwood when we met him

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, like we're all nervous. We're like,

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Speaker 1: there's Clintwood. There's Clint Eastwood. And I walked over to

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Speaker 1: him and said, high, Clint, I'm Dan. Patrick goes, yeah

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Speaker 1: you are. Yeah, and that was it. But he's got

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Speaker 1: so he's got an amazing let us such. I remember that.

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Speaker 1: I loved. I don't think he was one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite movies. That's see where he's filling up. They had

625
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Speaker 1: given him the right, you know, and the boats too. Yeah,

626
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm a writer. I'm a writer, and he what letters

627
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Speaker 1: and such, you know, it's just such letters and such

628
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: outlined because he just fired killed five dudes. It was funny.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that was interesting was I really learned

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Speaker 1: to hear Jerry swear on your show too, and some

631
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: of the outtakes and some of the leadings. I heard

632
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 1: the first bits of that, which was a real another

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Speaker 1: key into you know, the public Jerry and the private

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00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: Jerry and the relaxed Jerry or the on Jerry. You know,

635
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: and it's jarring. It was jarring from me when I

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Speaker 1: heard here was just like, yes, yes, I can hear

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Speaker 1: him in there. Now I'm getting because because he is,

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00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: he's you know, and he has to conduct himself as

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Speaker 1: well when you're talking to you know, when you're when

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Speaker 1: you're caught sight of a game or what everyone's watching

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00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 1: what you said, he's not doing that, but like you're

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00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: saying anymore because you're on camera and it's getting so close.

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00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: So but you know, it was focused. I swear a

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Speaker 1: bit in there. You know, I go over the top

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00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: as well. You know, it's with TV and we're we're

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00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 1: reinforcing the legend as well as you know, the reality. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and um, but it was, you know, it was. It

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Speaker 1: was good to hear that. And then there was there

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00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: was there was another guy that worked with it this year.

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Speaker 1: You know, Jerry fucking swears Law. You know, Jay's congratulation

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00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: is great to talk to you and thank you mate,

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00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: and good luck with this and don't show you something

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Speaker 1: before you go though, because I've watched your show, because

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Speaker 1: I've been listening to it. I put it on my

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00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: iPod and listened to it all the time. That's how

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Speaker 1: I warm up. You're twenty sixte eating the peper starters

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Speaker 1: going on. I warm up by listening to that again

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Speaker 1: and again, again and again. But look at this dude.

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Speaker 1: So that's the Jerry West bobblehead. Is it good? It

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Speaker 1: is a good Jerry? Yeah? Am I doing good? Okay?

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Speaker 1: Is it gonna likely? No? No, no, no, no no no,

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00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: no he's not. Yeah. Are you curious what Jerry thinks

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Speaker 1: of you playing Jerry? You know I am, I am,

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Speaker 1: of course I am, of course I care, I deeply.

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Speaker 1: Can you know I understand that you know, you've got children,

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00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: you've got to do it's a different time now in period,

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00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: and that there's a lot of concerns, and it's yourself,

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00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: and you know that it's not something that maybe he's

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Speaker 1: welcoming of and everything. And if I ever do meet someone,

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00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, I've reached out out of courtesy, but I

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00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,440
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it a a right. I'd love

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00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: to have a glass of wine with the man and

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00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: discuss art, you know, or the things or the history.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of similar interests and um, and

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Speaker 1: so you know I would um, you know, I get it.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, you're Jerry West. I guess

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Speaker 1: you've got to expect that in your heart that somebody

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Speaker 1: sometime is going to play you, and so long as

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00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: they're not disrespectful, and so long as they're you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not libelous. You know it's going to happen when

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Speaker 1: you've done what the man's done. So I'd be more

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Speaker 1: than happy to have a glass of burgundy and not

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Speaker 1: even bring it up. Thank you, Jason, good luck. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate you. John Darres. She is Mike