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Speaker 2: You are listening to Hurdle a Lot, this focus podcast

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Speaker 2: where I connect with everyone from your favorite athletes to

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Speaker 2: and everything in between. We all go through hurdles in life,

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Speaker 2: and my goal through these discussions is to empower you

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Speaker 2: with Hurdle over on social media. It's at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am over at Emily Abadi And with that, let's

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Speaker 1: know it at the time, but yeah, it definitely is interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think I have a lot of resilience, a lot

437
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,160
Speaker 1: of school of life kind of came through me through

438
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,640
Speaker 1: all of my years of all the things we've experienced,

439
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: which we all have. But you know, I do think

440
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,639
Speaker 1: that you start to the more hurdles and you know,

441
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 1: speaking of to you that you have to jump and navigate.

442
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 1: The more that you the more resilient you get. Sometimes

443
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: that resilience can work against you, right. Sometimes you need

444
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: to know when to say I need some support and

445
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 1: help and be able to surrender to higher power or

446
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But I've learned that in my in

447
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: my I'm forty three next month. But you know, sometimes

448
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: being resilient in your whole life, you need spaces to

449
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: not have to be resilient in order to continue to

450
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Speaker 1: carry forward with that piece that I was talking about earlier.

451
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about how you felt in your body

452
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: as you started to work here in New York full time.

453
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Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. Well, I was in my early twenties,

454
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: so I was definitely using New York City for what

455
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 1: people use it for, and you know, it was running

456
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: around live in, live in, you know, live in you know,

457
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: the nine to thirty pm dinners, the weekends where you

458
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: just like sleep all weekend kind of stuff. Actually that's

459
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: not true. I still I wake up at five no

460
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 1: matter what time I go to bed, even then. But

461
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 1: it was, you know, the city as an energy to it.

462
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,640
Speaker 1: I really think that the city is meant for driving

463
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: and creating and kind of churning it out and all

464
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: of that. So I feel like that was good for

465
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: me because I was able to be in that current

466
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: where you just go, you get it, you know, you

467
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: keep going. So I think if I were to move

468
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 1: to the city now, the feeling that I would have

469
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: in my body is probably like WHOA, I need to

470
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: find a balance, you know, which is what I feel

471
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: right now. But that, But back then, I don't really

472
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: remember feeling anything other than this was where I was

473
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be right right.

474
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Speaker 2: As you got more acquainted with living here and kind

475
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: of the hustle and the bustle and the nine thirty dinners,

476
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: were you making the same time or commitment to a

477
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 2: movement practice or were you looking into alternatives?

478
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: What kind of spoke to you at that time?

479
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: Oh, it was a I moved probably six times a week,

480
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: sometimes seven. But you know, for me and I don't

481
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: think I think overtraining is a thing, and I do

482
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: think the rest day days when they're placed in a

483
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: specific way especially or are super important. But for me,

484
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 1: having a movement practice helped me self regulate. So that's

485
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: why sometimes it'd be seven. But I was a member

486
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: at I remember I used to do the spin classes

487
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: way back in the day. Wake up at five point thirty,

488
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 1: go to the gym, spin and then this is when

489
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: I was working at Ralph Horn and then go back,

490
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: get dressed, blow dry the sweat out of my hair,

491
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: put on one of their like you know, cable mit sweaters,

492
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,479
Speaker 1: and be sweating on the plane on the train up

493
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: to work because I couldn't cool down from my morning workouts.

494
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: So that's what stands out. It would be a lot

495
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: of that spinning in the morning before work, just to

496
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: get it out. And it's interesting one of the things

497
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: that I always noticed about myself at the end of

498
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: the day that all it was obsessed with from five

499
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: to six o'clock is getting out of there at six

500
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: every day. So I could make a six thirty yoga

501
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: class down and Tribeca and if I was six oh five,

502
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: I wouldn't make it. And I noticed and kind of

503
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: put a pin in that in myself early on that

504
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: that was the thing I looked forward.

505
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 3: To every day, right right.

506
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 2: I would love to touch on what you mentioned at

507
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: the beginning of that, which was recognizing now the importance

508
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,400
Speaker 2: of a rest day. I'm sure that women reach out

509
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: to you about this. They certainly reach out to me

510
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: about this about loving movement for the same reasons that

511
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: you and I do, and that it helps clear our head,

512
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 2: it helps us kind of focus in the rest of

513
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: our day to day.

514
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: It's giving back to our bodies.

515
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: But in appreciating that feeling, it can be easy almost

516
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: to kind of get caught up in it, so much

517
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: so that some don't offer their bodies that rest that

518
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: maybe they need, and they're not sure where to lean

519
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 2: in for another outlet to provide that same solace. So

520
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: the follow up questions here two part one, did you

521
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 2: ever have a time in your life where you kind

522
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 2: of had to realize and be honest with yourself about

523
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: the need for more rest? And the second part would

524
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: be what advice do you have for individuals who maybe

525
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 2: struggle with this.

526
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I mean well the answer to question one

527
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: is that just this past year, honestly, yeah, is when

528
00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: I've realized that because I've always been the one that

529
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: gathers people and brings the energy, and you know, I

530
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: love getting people together. Even like the early days of

531
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: the class, I would just have these big pot lucks

532
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: all the time and be like come over and run

533
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: something like always just and I think it's actually it's

534
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Speaker 1: This is also answering part of the second question, which

535
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Speaker 1: I think addiction is to things that are not just

536
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: what the normal addictions are. You know that people think

537
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: about it like like whether it's an alcohol or a drug,

538
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: or sex and love or whatever. It is like addictions

539
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: to workouts, addictions, Like if you think about what that is,

540
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: it's oftentimes that you're covering up something that's so much deeper.

541
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Speaker 1: And if you're using movement as a way to support

542
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Speaker 1: a deeper connection of a sense of self, that's one thing.

543
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: But if you're using it because you just don't want

544
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: to look at something or there's something bigger that's underneath it,

545
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: that's when there's a time to pause and have a

546
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: conversation with yourself around that and what part of you

547
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: you need to talk to, because I think for me,

548
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: it's always the moving and the gathering. It's that the

549
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: part of me that was getting really active around that

550
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: was a really young part that needed to be told

551
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: by myself that like, it's okay, you can sit by

552
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: yourself and be alone, and you can take care of yourself.

553
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: You're an adult now, you can pay your own bills,

554
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: You've created your own life, you know, and like, I

555
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: have to have that conversation. So I think that's what

556
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: sometimes that over exercise or over moving does unless it's

557
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: something that you're doing or you're moving to self reflect

558
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: or to explore, to create a creative opening or something.

559
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: But if you're doing it because you're distracting yourself, or

560
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: if you're helped into the external feedback of the world,

561
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: which is quite twisted right now, of what you should

562
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: or should not look like, then that's when I would

563
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: ask that question, you know, I mean, and that's all

564
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: of what we explore in the class is identifying the

565
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: difference between the internal and the external and when you're

566
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Speaker 1: living in the feedback of the external world and you're

567
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: waiting for the external world to validate your worth and

568
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: then try to figure out how to fit into what

569
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: the external world tells you. It's going to be a

570
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: really challenging journey through this ride, in this lifetime.

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Speaker 2: some of the ways that maybe you have come to

612
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Speaker 2: manage stress, because I mean, admitting yourself that over the

613
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Speaker 2: last year, certainly trying to find some sort of a

614
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Speaker 2: balance between moving to serve and maybe moving a little

615
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Speaker 2: too much to cope.

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Speaker 3: I can certainly relate to that.

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Speaker 2: So for you when it comes to managing stress, what

618
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Speaker 2: approach would you offer to someone to better manage their

619
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Speaker 2: stress that isn't only movement based?

620
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it can't only be movement based, right,

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Speaker 1: And Step one with stress is the awareness. It's the

622
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Speaker 1: awareness that you're stressed out. What does that look like

623
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: for you? Is that anxiety? Is that depression? Is that overeating,

624
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: is that gossiping? Whatever it is? Right? Flag it that

625
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: this is something that's saying it's alarm clock or this

626
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: signal or this fire bell is going off, you know,

627
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: and then figure out what that stress is coming from.

628
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Speaker 1: And I think that if you know, for me, I cry,

629
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Speaker 1: you know that is a good pass when i'm feeling

630
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: really stressed out, I will go sit and I have

631
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Speaker 1: a harmonium at home, and I sit down and I'll

632
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: play and I'll make some sounds, and oftentimes I'll just

633
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: let my body pass some tears. And for me, that's

634
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: you know, it's not because I'm sad or happy or whatever.

635
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: It's just it's how I'm able to process some of

636
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: that stress. I think it's super important to get out

637
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: of our devices, like it's super important to get out

638
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: of our devices. And the way that people are managing

639
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,800
Speaker 1: this exhaustion, that is it stress? Is exhaustion or is

640
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: it complacency or is it lack of movement? Right? Identifying

641
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: what that stress is. Sometimes stress is actually that you

642
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 1: just haven't moved your body and it needs to usher

643
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: some energy. So move the body. Sometimes stress is that

644
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: you're super exhausted. And to me, exhaustion is shutting down

645
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: the flow of external feedback. Put your phone away, close

646
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: your computer, go lay down in your bed or on

647
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: the floor for twenty minutes, put an alarm on if

648
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: you need, and close your eyes and just to breathe. Right,

649
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: So you're just giving the body the mind a space

650
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: to get quiet. And I think that it's so simple

651
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: that we don't do it. It's just like, oh, I'm

652
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: stressed out, you know. No, just do it and then

653
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: reflect on if it helped, and if it helped, put

654
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: it in your toolbox and do it every day like

655
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: you drink water, right now, find these little things that

656
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 1: shut down the flow.

657
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 2: And I think so many of us struggle with sitting

658
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 2: in that stillness, right in allowing ourselves to be consumed

659
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 2: by the silence rather than making, you know, an effort

660
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 2: to keep moving, keep going, especially I mean you and

661
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: I both New Yorkers, like it's just part of our culture.

662
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 2: But to figure out how to get more comfortable in

663
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: that way and to tell yourself that it's okay that

664
00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: it feels uncomfortable, right, because I think that's where a

665
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 2: lot of people struggle at the beginning, with learning how

666
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,800
Speaker 2: to sit still, so to speak, and sitting in that silence.

667
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: That's being scared of having to navigate the feelings that

668
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: come up when we allow ourselves to do that.

669
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're actually having to deal with yourself, right, And

670
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: that's what like movement is, or like if you're using

671
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: movement in the way I'm not just talking about physical exercise,

672
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean movement like constantly like always out with someone

673
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: or constantly like texting people, like all of this type

674
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: of like moving energy, right as opposed to having to

675
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 1: actually sit and experience your own thinking. And the thing

676
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: about that, that's all the consciousness practice, and that's a

677
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,839
Speaker 1: huge part of the class, right. It's a movement where

678
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: you're actually actively conscious of what you're thinking as opposed

679
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: to moving, so you don't have to think or have

680
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: somebody tell you what to think or whatever. So that

681
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: step one being aware of what stillness brings and be

682
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: what we talked about earlier, willing to be okay with

683
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: the thoughts because it's just a thought, right, And you

684
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: can either stay with the thought and let the thought

685
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: go into a thousand places of fear cycles of what

686
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: is going to happen, or you can just watch the

687
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: thoughts from a space of observation and realize you're okay,

688
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: you're present and you're just watching your thoughts, and in

689
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: that is all of this beautiful information. And if we

690
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: can't get to that place where we're comfortable just observing

691
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: it and being okay with like, oh, this thing is

692
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: still here, and view it as information as opposed to

693
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,240
Speaker 1: allowing those thoughts to just work havoc on your piece.

694
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: You know, it's a different type of time. But when

695
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: those thoughts can be acknowledged, then oftentimes those thoughts move on.

696
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: It's like it's like the young child in the back

697
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 1: that's like screaming and having a temper tantrum inside of you, like,

698
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: please listen to me, Listen to me, Listen to me,

699
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: and like oftentimes experiences in our life show up again

700
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: and again and again, and it's like, why does this

701
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,439
Speaker 1: thing keep happening to me? It's like it's that young

702
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: child and you that's like, are you listening to me?

703
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: Right?

704
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 1: So until you give this, give yourself the space to

705
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: listen to it, it's going to keep perpetuating the thing

706
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: and then that's the anxiety, and then that's all the more.

707
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 1: You know, So it's that space is so important, and yes,

708
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable, especially because we live in a world where

709
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,239
Speaker 1: we're constantly bombarded with this is what you should be,

710
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: this is how you should do it. Look at this

711
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: over here, let me that this thing is happening over here,

712
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: and you know, you know, it's like sit down, get quiet, pause.

713
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 3: For you at the beginning of the pandemic.

714
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: Even though you have certainly in your practice gotten to

715
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 2: be better at sitting in the silence, did you still

716
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: find it to be truly difficult considering all that was

717
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: going on around you in your world.

718
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was pretty horrible, you know. I mean I

719
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: was having to I was you know, I was having

720
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: massive waves of frightening feelings coming through, and I was

721
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: feeling very alone. And I was aware that that was

722
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: how I was feeling, which is what gave me the

723
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: ability to be okay with it, right.

724
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: I think sometimes it's helpful for many, regardless of you know,

725
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 2: marital status, geographic location, background, to hear from someone like

726
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: you who often you know, talks about the benefits perhaps

727
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 2: of being okay with being with yourself, and hearing that

728
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:54,720
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that it's always going to be easy.

729
00:41:55,640 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: Oh, quite the opposite, right. That's it's that that's such

730
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: an interesting point. It's always going to be easy. It's

731
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: what is easy, right. It's the next thing is like

732
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 1: what actually fulfills you, what creates a balance inside yourself

733
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,479
Speaker 1: so you can understand the unique blueprint of your soul

734
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: and express that outwardly, which opens up the space for

735
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: you to end up in these feedback cycles of things

736
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: that actually feel fulfilling because they're connected to a deeper

737
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: sense of yourself and the idea that things should be easy, hard, better, worse, good, bad.

738
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: It's actually taking out the idea that you have a preference. Right.

739
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: We all have a preference, right, I want to feel light,

740
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,120
Speaker 1: I want to feel happy, I want to feel joy.

741
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: But it's having the preference and then hooking into that

742
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: it should only be that way. That's when you're just

743
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: living in like an illusionary sense of It's the polarities.

744
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:02,720
Speaker 1: There is absolutely no grief without love. If you're grieving something,

745
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: it's because there was love. It's just a cycle, right,

746
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: So there is no easy unless you've experienced difficulty, And

747
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: there is no difficulty unless you've experienced what light is.

748
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: So just being okay with the different cycles and being

749
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: aware of where you are in that cycle of rebirth

750
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: something inside yourself, of whatever it looks like, aware of

751
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: where you're at. And that's why I say I was

752
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: feeling terrified, and I was aware I was feeling terrified.

753
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: And I think reflection is such a powerful tool that

754
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: you can reflect on the times that you felt really

755
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: really happy and really really terrified, and you could probably

756
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: go into a hundred of those and just acknowledge where

757
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: you're at. Know it's going to shift. Be open and

758
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: willing to learn what it is that's coming through you

759
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: in that period of time so that way you can

760
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: use it to evolve yourself. That's the evolutionary process, right.

761
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

762
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean that these moments aren't going to

763
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 2: be emotional, because you understand the importance of having some

764
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 2: grace with yourself and that these things come and go

765
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: and fluctuate in waves.

766
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: But I.

767
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: Hear you in that it can be really difficult in

768
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: these moments to kind of like find that grounding.

769
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 3: But once you start to recognize.

770
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 2: That you are capable of doing so, and you get

771
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: out of your own way to recognize that, that is

772
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 2: just like I mean, I would say it's a superpower.

773
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it doesn't just like you don't just like

774
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: put in your tool belt and it's there. That's that's

775
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: a practice, you know. And that's the thing you know,

776
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 1: is you practice things, they become easier and then you

777
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: become your practice. It's like, but you have to have

778
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: that like daily you know, willingness to do it. It's

779
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: like and then and then it's in you, you know. Yeah,

780
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: but it's not it's not easy, something I still struggle

781
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: with every day. But it's incredibly powerful and I'm aware

782
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: of that. So I practice, you know.

783
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 2: Right, and it's powerful to share that as well. Now,

784
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: I'd be remiss if I didn't at least give a

785
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: little bit of airtime here for us to talk about

786
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 2: you going through yoga teacher training and after that kind

787
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 2: of concepting or starting the class, which we touched on

788
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 2: a little bit before. So talk to me about the

789
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: decision to go through yoga teacher training.

790
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was at Dyor and I was there for

791
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: six months, and it was a satellite office that was

792
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: working for a French company and I have to go

793
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: over there for market. It was just kind of like

794
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 1: different than my years at Ralph Lauren, which it's either

795
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: here nor there. I just was like I went over

796
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: here thinking that, like, let's just open up a new

797
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: space and new creative space, and I just felt myself

798
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: even more unhappy and feeling more disconnected. I didn't know

799
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: if it was like the company or the time of life.

800
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: And I was interested in going back to Ralf Lauren

801
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: and there was this yoga teacher training with this woman

802
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: alse In West, who was one of my teachers teachers

803
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: at the time, that was launching a training and it

804
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 1: was starting in January, and I said, you know, I'm

805
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 1: going to resign. I'm going to do this training and

806
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna I was back in conversations with Ralph

807
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 1: Lauren and just you know, take a month to do

808
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: this and then move back into fashion. And I finished

809
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: the training. I absolutely loved it that month of just

810
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,720
Speaker 1: diving in. I'm such a girl that loves like blending

811
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: science and spirituality, so studying something for me was really awesome.

812
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: And then I was like, you know, let me just

813
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 1: give this a couple of weeks to try to figure out,

814
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: you know, if I actually want to teach. It such

815
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: a conundrum. You have to teach to learn to teach

816
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: and find your voice and all that. And then right

817
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 1: after I started teaching a little bit in New York,

818
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: my children's father, Mark, Mark was the same gut transferred

819
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: to Boston for work. So we moved to Boston, which

820
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: basically took out my ability to go back to fashion

821
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: unless I wanted to find something in Boston. So when

822
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: I was. I just started teaching yoga in Boston and

823
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: I I taught for about two years. That's really when

824
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: I found my kind of teaching style. I always had

825
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: this very always music driven, always been a music person

826
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: since I could remember, So I really use different kind

827
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 1: of music to bring people, you know, through a flow.

828
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 1: And then got pregnant with my first daughter up there.

829
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: Ten days before I had her, we got moved back

830
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: to New York. Moved back to New York. Wanted to

831
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: teach at a local yoga studio for a woman that

832
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: had passed away named Mama Kiah in her memory, and

833
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 1: just donate the money from the yoga studio to her

834
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: children that she left behind. She'd adopted, She had a

835
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 1: children's home and prow And then I ended up finding

836
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: out that that was the class was not going to

837
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: get put on the schedule one day, so I just

838
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: decided that I was going to teach what is now

839
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: the class in a room in my building, which was

840
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: then a storage closet, and then would just ask the

841
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: students at the end of every month if they would

842
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: donate to her children, and just kind of developed this

843
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: way of moving in that space. It first started with

844
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: some weights because it was three of us, and then

845
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 1: there were too many of us, so it evolved into

846
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: we all moved on the same beat, you know, and

847
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: from there we just it grew and it grew out

848
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: of that room, and then after about two years, I

849
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: started renting a studio out of a kid's dance factory

850
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 1: down the street, and just you know, kept growing from

851
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: that space. So it was never really you know, going

852
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: to be what it was supposed to be, what it

853
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: is today. It just was kept moving through me and

854
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: I kept saying yes. But it was really blending all

855
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: the things that I've always learned throughout my life and loved.

856
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: You know, I'm an efficient person. I like to get

857
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: a lot of things on at once. So I was

858
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: blending community with music with like deep holding contracting, with

859
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: flushing the cardiovascular and changing, you know, really getting a

860
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: body physically strong, while having a consciousness of practice, a

861
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: space to express, to be together in community, to have

862
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: a non judgmental space, you know, where you don't turn

863
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: to your neighbor if they're having an emotional breakthrough and

864
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: be like are you okay? You just like hold the

865
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: space for them to process that, you know. So that's

866
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, and then here we are today.

867
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 3: And then here we are today.

868
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: Earlier, toward the beginning of the recording, you made reference

869
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 2: to those people who may say that class is just

870
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: a bunch of weird burpies with some yelling. How did

871
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 2: you learn to let those people have their opinion about

872
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 2: the thing that you have built and continue building regardless

873
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 2: of that opinion.

874
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 1: Well, I took it on as truth, and then I

875
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,839
Speaker 1: self hated, which is my story in my whole life.

876
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: So I realized that that internal self hate, negative stuff

877
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 1: was getting really activated, and I would go to class

878
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: and teach and process it out of my body. And

879
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: in that I realized that I was now becoming very meta,

880
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: where I was able to have a sense of acknowledging

881
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: that what the external world was doing making fun of me,

882
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: doing all the things they would do, how I would

883
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 1: use it as truth, and then I would hate myself.

884
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,720
Speaker 1: And I realized that I wanted to unlearn that behavior

885
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: because I had a daughter, and I don't ever want

886
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: either of my children to have to experience the things

887
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: that I have done and said to myself inside myself.

888
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: So I really, really really had a drive in me

889
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: to break this chain which I feel is very much

890
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 1: deeply embedded in my family, in both sides, my masculine en, feminine, paternal, maternal,

891
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: and I would just keep going because there was something

892
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: in me that was like, I needed to break this thing.

893
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 1: I'm still very sensitive around it. It's still very hard

894
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,319
Speaker 1: for me. It's a daily practice. But I think that's

895
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: what happens when you grow up a certain way or

896
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: you're not given the tools a certain way, that it's

897
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 1: a practice. But something in me always said keep going.

898
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: I realized that there were people that the class was touching,

899
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: and people that were telling me that it was really

900
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: supporting their life and their process, and people would share

901
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: stories with me about the ways that it did, and

902
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: I just kept saying to myself, if this work is

903
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: going to help at least one person, I'm going to

904
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: keep going because that's it. That's how we keep moving.

905
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: I think it's a really beautiful moment when we digest

906
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: and truly get to a place where we're okay with

907
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 2: recognizing that we won't be a person for everyone, and

908
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 2: in that recognization understanding also that if you try to

909
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 2: be a person for everyone, then you're a person for nobody.

910
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hear that, and It's complex though, right, because

911
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: it's easy to you know, articulate and intellectualize that, but

912
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 1: the actual going through it and understanding it's okay if

913
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 1: who you are doesn't resonate with everyone, and that's deeply

914
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: embedded in the work of the class. It's that the

915
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: world needs to just show up in a different way

916
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: to say, if this person doesn't resonate with me, I'm

917
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: just going to let it go, but I'm not going

918
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: to talk poorly and shame them and gossip and make

919
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: fun of them, because then that's all that real, low

920
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: vibrational stuff that makes people sick and stressed out beyond.

921
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 1: And if we could just get to that point, like,

922
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 1: this person doesn't resonate with me, but I'm not going

923
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: to go trash them because I feel like I want

924
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 1: to make fun of them because I'm so unhappy inside

925
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: that I'm going to talk about them. You know, if

926
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 1: we can all start to show up and take personal

927
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: accountability around that, imagine where we could go.

928
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely hear that. And

929
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: it's certainly easier said than done to just like let

930
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: these judgments roll off. I mean, especially in these days

931
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: of social media and connectivity. It's like every second you

932
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to find someone who feels some kind

933
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 2: of way about something that you're doing. But it's finding

934
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: the strength within to not let these judgments be the

935
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:35,800
Speaker 2: thing that dictates how we feel about ourselves.

936
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's the idea of allowing

937
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 1: the external world to tell you what your worth is.

938
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: If we're just constantly trying to see what the outside

939
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: world is. That's honestly what space, that space we were

940
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,879
Speaker 1: talking about earlier, That quiet time gives you. It gives

941
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: you time to understand yourself that you can be so

942
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: deeply connected with that that you can get a little

943
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: little bit more resilient around that. Somebody can say something

944
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: and you can flush it faster, you can move it

945
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: out quicker. You don't own it as your truth, you know.

946
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: So that's you know, what that quiet space does.

947
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 2: In my opinion, What are you looking forward to right

948
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 2: now when it comes to the future of the class?

949
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 1: My goodness, gracious, there's just so much that's been going

950
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: on behind the scenes, you know. I definitely think that

951
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: there's this thing that happened with us during the pandemic

952
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: where suddenly we became a digital company, and it felt

953
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,319
Speaker 1: like it was a divine and intervention that we'd been

954
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 1: working on the digital platform for so long before it

955
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: got launched, and it really was launched about three months

956
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: before lockdown, so it was there. It's how do we

957
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: get and allow everyone that needs this work to have

958
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 1: access to it, you know, and how do we get

959
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:05,800
Speaker 1: ourself into a place where it's not Humans in general

960
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 1: can understand that if we are not moving our body

961
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: and differentiating between inside and outside what we move through

962
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,399
Speaker 1: these times, it's going to be really heavy and hard

963
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: to navigate. So that's why the you know, I say

964
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: that with the intent to get this to as many

965
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 1: people as it possibly can reach and navigating that that

966
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 1: kind of hybrid of like in person and digital because

967
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: we just can't be everywhere in person, you know, and

968
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: how we can do that. I see it, you know,

969
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: I see it just there.

970
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: I mean speaking of seeing right now, if someone was

971
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 2: to go to your social media page, they would see

972
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 2: a woman, a mama with almost one hundred thousand followers,

973
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: founder and the EO of the class. When you look

974
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: in the mirror, what is it that you see looking

975
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 2: back at you?

976
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's a very That's an interesting question

977
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: right now. For me, I have a like I was

978
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: saying earlier, I have a very you know. Uh, I

979
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: struggle a bit sometimes with the old kind of stories

980
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: that come up in me that I have to talk

981
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 1: myself into that person that you just said, and Lon.

982
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 3: You give me an example of that.

983
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just feel I feel scared a lot, and

984
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't and have not caught up

985
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: with the fact that I've created something that is what

986
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: it is. I still go into these cycles where I'm like, oh,

987
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: it's all just going to go away one day and

988
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to be homeless, you know, that kind of stuff.

989
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 1: And I think it's just a lot of stories that

990
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: come up around me when I was moving around a lot,

991
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: when I was young and things were so hard. It's

992
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: just very loud. So I have to do that where

993
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have these two girls, I've created this community,

994
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: I have wonderful people around me. I have the ability

995
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: to do these things, you know. So it's I don't

996
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: have a part of me that goes like puff the

997
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 1: chest up and be like, oh, I feel so great

998
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: about myself. You know, it's just not there. But I

999
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: don't know what that is. I don't know if that's

1000
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: just a part of me that is me, or if

1001
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: that's a part of me that I'm still trying to heal,

1002
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: or if that's a part of me that you know,

1003
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: I very much believe in just being able to be

1004
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: you know, I know everything can change tomorrow. I don't

1005
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:46,440
Speaker 1: know if that part of me that comes up is

1006
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: the one that doesn't want to acknowledge it because I'm

1007
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: scared about not having it, you know. So I just

1008
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't have the answer to that question.

1009
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 2: Do you find moments in your day to day where

1010
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: maybe you do feel more proud of yourself.

1011
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, sometimes when we have like town halls,

1012
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: company wide town halls and we're all on you know,

1013
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: zoom and we're talking about some really complex conversations or

1014
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 1: about all the things that we're doing or whatever it is,

1015
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: I just feel really proud of the team.

1016
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1017
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: And you know, and I do have a moment sometimes

1018
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:30,439
Speaker 1: where I doubt myself a lot. But I have really

1019
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,840
Speaker 1: good business instincts, and I have really good instincts about people.

1020
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: I see things and feel things happening before they do.

1021
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 1: I've always had that weird kind of opening into a

1022
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,000
Speaker 1: channel of something that feels very much, you know, connected

1023
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: to divine. I think a lot of because of practices

1024
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: or a higher power, call it whatever it is that

1025
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: one does. But I think that when I when I

1026
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: look around the people that I work with, that is

1027
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: when I'm able to feel proud because I say, if

1028
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: that person's yes to working with me, then okay, like

1029
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 1: there's something to this, because I'm so proud of this

1030
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: team and I can't believe that the people that work

1031
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 1: with me work with me. You know.

1032
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: Sometimes I think it's like even bigger than that though,

1033
00:59:19,120 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 2: because maybe they don't say yes to working with you,

1034
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 2: but someone pulls a chair out for you at the

1035
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: table just to like have a seat at the table

1036
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: and have an opportunity. Although it doesn't always like strike gold.

1037
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: I have these moments, even in the times where you know,

1038
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: I'm beside myself and I'm crying because the thing didn't

1039
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 2: come to fruition and I really wanted it so badly,

1040
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 2: and I started to think about what it could be

1041
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 2: and it doesn't happen. And of course I give myself

1042
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 2: that time to deal with the feelings that come hand

1043
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,959
Speaker 2: in hand with that disappointment. But I always really really

1044
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 2: really try to come back to appreciating the seat at

1045
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: the table, which is hard, right.

1046
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that's a really interesting things, especially the

1047
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: way you said it, where you give yourself the space

1048
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: to process what needs to process, because it's yeah, and

1049
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: the seat. It's like, it's just what is the balance

1050
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: between being at the seat, having enough humility to know

1051
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: that anything can change it every day, being grateful for

1052
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 1: what you currently have, and also seeing where it can

1053
01:00:28,040 --> 01:00:32,520
Speaker 1: go without attaching if it doesn't go. There to the

1054
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: word failure, Yeah, you know, it's like, it's it's it's

1055
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: interesting because it's it's like and that's why I think

1056
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: it's beautiful for you to say if it doesn't go

1057
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: the way you don't want it to go, that you

1058
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 1: give yourself time to process it. I think sometimes we

1059
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: view it as failure, and it's not failure. It's just

1060
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: that I really believe in when things do not work out,

1061
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: that it's so important for us to go through the

1062
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: process of what we feel about it not working out

1063
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 1: and absolutely understand that it's because it's rerooting you. Yeah,

1064
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: and if we get hooked into this didn't go this

1065
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,040
Speaker 1: way instead of rerouting and allow yourself to process it

1066
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: and move forward. It's only in reflection do you look

1067
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: at it and go, oh, that made sense, right, But

1068
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: when you're in it, oh.

1069
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 3: It's a top of the burpie ooh ooh moments.

1070
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 2: Yes, Well, as we wind down here, the way that

1071
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 2: I end every episode is by asking the same question

1072
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: right now, Taren, you mentioned the beginning of this pandemic

1073
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 2: being a really difficult time for you, and having trouble

1074
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 2: for maybe the first time or more so, and having trouble,

1075
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 2: maybe more so at that point than in the months

1076
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: leading up to it, finding some grace with that stillness.

1077
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 2: You have an opportunity right now to offer yourself a

1078
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 2: piece of advice looking back on that hurdle moment.

1079
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 3: What do you tell you.

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Speaker 1: It's going to be okay? Take it day by day.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's like a mantra that I would

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Speaker 2: be able to repeat to myself, like every.

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Speaker 3: Moment when I get to my desk.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, thank you so much for your time today,

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Speaker 2: for your energy. So many beautiful takeaways from this conversation.

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Speaker 2: How do the hurdlers keep up with you? How do

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Speaker 2: they follow along with you?

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Speaker 3: And the class? Give us all the details?

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Speaker 1: Yes, so you can go to the class dot com

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Speaker 1: and the digital platform has a two week free trial.

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Speaker 1: There's one hundred and twenty live stream classes a week,

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Speaker 1: which is so fun because you just know you're doing

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Speaker 1: people all over the world. And then we have an

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Speaker 1: on demand library with music collaborations and little We have

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Speaker 1: classes for kids, we have meditations, we have yoga, nidras,

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Speaker 1: all the things. The class dot Com is the website

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Speaker 1: where the digital studio, as well as ways to sign

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Speaker 1: up for in person classes in New York. We're building

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Speaker 1: a studio in LA that will hopefully open in January

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Speaker 1: with a class on social Media. I'm just tearing to me,

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Speaker 1: and I don't have a big presence on there personally

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Speaker 1: because I've had to pull back. But yeah, you can

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Speaker 1: find us in all those spaces.

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Speaker 3: I love that one hundred thousand people is in a

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Speaker 3: big presence.

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Speaker 2: I'm over at Emily Avadi and at Hurdle Podcast Another

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Speaker 2: Hurdle Conquered.

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Speaker 3: Catch you guys next time.