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Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon podcasts Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. James

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Speaker 2: Harrison comes out and it's zero degrees without a shirt.

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Speaker 2: I'm scared. When Brendan Schooler comes out and it's forty

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Speaker 2: two degrees, I'm like, you're an idiot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this morning was it was like in the twenties.

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Speaker 4: I like, oh God, air men doing like construction right now,

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Speaker 4: all day in this weather and it's like fifteen minutes.

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Speaker 5: You're out there of him, right.

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Speaker 2: I love Alex questioning his manhood. I have a theory

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Speaker 2: the reason why they don't do it from this show

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Speaker 2: is because they don't. They secretly don't want to say that.

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Speaker 2: They attend because everybody listens, but they don't want to

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Speaker 2: admit it.

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Speaker 6: They're not p you proud.

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Speaker 2: I'm not. I don't listen to that. That's a team thing.

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Speaker 5: We're kind of like port I'm going.

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Speaker 2: To fork this game. I'm going to have the Lions

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Speaker 2: winning but not covering for Cohop.

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Speaker 5: Oh.

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Speaker 2: It's like you in a road and you come to

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Speaker 2: a fork in the road. I say, okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: go with the.

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Speaker 6: Win fork it.

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Speaker 5: I'll sue you for everybody three games on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Fort which is crazy because I have things to do

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Speaker 2: on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: I can't be watching you watch the games in general

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Speaker 5: when you can't.

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Speaker 2: Of course I do.

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Speaker 6: I think he gets this feel for the leak.

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Speaker 2: Nine. I got some good news but her anyway, oh yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 5: I took a shot. It's Christmas.

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Speaker 1: This is Patriot's Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at the l S Stadium, and uh, getting ready for Christmas,

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Speaker 2: getting ready for oh my god, birthday.

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Speaker 3: Her birthday week was like the baby Jesus born on

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Speaker 3: Christmas Day and swaddling clothes. That's what her mother says.

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Speaker 4: Miss tell the story. She's like, I was out shopping

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Speaker 4: and my water brook on the subway.

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Speaker 8: Thanks to you.

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Speaker 2: I thought she was going to say. We were looking

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Speaker 2: for a place to stay and no one would. We

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Speaker 2: finally found a barn.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to stay in the barn.

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Speaker 2: We're also getting ready for the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 6: Where's the game that it's it's expect it to be horse.

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Speaker 6: It's in Denver.

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Speaker 2: Denver's like to the league. You want us to play,

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Speaker 2: we have to play at home. Yeah, Christmas Christmas, so

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Speaker 2: we'll be heading to Denver on Saturday to get ready

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Speaker 2: for the Sunday game. Night game. It's gonna be tough,

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Speaker 2: gonna be tough. So that's that. I want to shout

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Speaker 2: out to Larry. I think his sintella. Larry and his

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Speaker 2: wife Zora make what we call Christmas crack. And they

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Speaker 2: sent us a card and it says, know your reindeer farts,

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Speaker 2: and it's got the pictures of all the reindeers and

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Speaker 2: uh Stinker. Instead of the regular reindeer names, they each

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Speaker 2: have fart names. And so Stinker is Fred Honker is,

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Speaker 2: Paul Lingerer is Mike Squeaker is Tamara Ripper, and Comet

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Speaker 2: is Alex. Yeah, thank you Larry for the beau you

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Speaker 2: just let it rip. Thank you Larry for the Christmas crack.

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Speaker 5: Can you feel bad about the next day?

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it normally?

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Speaker 6: Do well, let's get into it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so, of course the big news of the day is, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we could be looking for a pregame host again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I thought you were going to say no,

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Speaker 2: you know what I know, But no, that really is

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Speaker 2: that's big, big news. I mean, We're Boston is considered,

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Speaker 2: radio drive time is a big deal. And Hardy is

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Speaker 2: five the morning Show with Fred Toucher. And that's huge.

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Speaker 2: That's a big, big deal And I'd like to take

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Speaker 3: Finally made it another King made for well.

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Speaker 2: But it's great. It's good for him. He's gonna have

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, us, Yeah, it stinks for just one hurts yeah.

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Speaker 3: Last night and he was upset about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he gets along well with us, he does.

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Speaker 9: I think he's just a great I mean, plays very talented.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think that's the biggest thing about Hardy

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Speaker 5: Just got to maybe got to make a run. Dude,

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Speaker 6: You got to find somebody.

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Speaker 5: So sleeps overrated. No, it's a Hardy.

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Speaker 6: You got to make a run to.

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Speaker 8: Misarguing with him the most.

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Speaker 2: I'll be sending him a list of suggestions for the

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, it should.

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Speaker 5: They talk in between when they talk about the music.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's gonna have to mention us a lot, don't

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Speaker 5: He does.

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Speaker 6: I heard him talking about talking about you on the

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Speaker 9: I heard him not directly, talking about our little weight

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Speaker 6: So I'm talking about that. I missed that didn't mention.

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Speaker 2: Us, But yeah, probably be. They be there for Live,

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Speaker 2: not butchered at all. So congratulations to Hardy.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he's gonna have to bang out these last three

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Speaker 6: And uh yeah, we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I wonder these two are in a depression of I

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Speaker 5: I really really like her. I liked all of our

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Speaker 5: pregame shows hostly he.

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Speaker 2: Gave you clubs.

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Speaker 5: But I really really like Hardy, and we did Mike

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Speaker 2: We have to start thinking about next year and who

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Speaker 9: Yeah, send your applications into Paul and better jobs that

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Speaker 9: there's gonna be some Jaws trivia will.

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Speaker 6: Be part of the interview.

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Speaker 8: I'm assume, right, what are we going to do without

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Speaker 6: I know he brought. He brought so much. It's well,

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Speaker 9: Done kind of, I guess six shows technically, the pre

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Speaker 6: Send him off, send them off?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, So that's that. Getting back to the

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Speaker 5: Some quarterback news, Freddy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so lol, Greer gone lost.

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Speaker 5: I lost two quarterbacks. You spent the entire year on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, rock and strange to Cold, strange.

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Speaker 6: To I r not Ye, not surprising, I think when

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Speaker 9: We haven't heard anything else on any of those other injuries,

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Speaker 3: A couple of people did. His agent was calling around

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Speaker 2: You know, people have anxiety attacks, you know, and that

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Speaker 2: he was a late scratch. And you know, uh who

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of people we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's that's some news. Any other personnel news.

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Speaker 6: Or they signed a couple of guys.

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Speaker 9: They brought back cornerback William Hooper and they also signed

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think I don't know if did any

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Speaker 5: So the rest of the season they have to have

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Speaker 5: I remember him from that crazy play that he made

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Speaker 6: It's making the rounds.

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Speaker 9: Right in the preseason one called Eli Manning and like

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Speaker 3: He's got a big arm, big big kid, big arm.

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Speaker 3: You know, not not gonna say anything more glowingly than.

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Speaker 9: Is it going to start now? I like, you know,

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Speaker 9: have you thought about putting borkin? Why didn't we put

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Speaker 9: Rourke in? Do we have any packages for Rourke?

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Speaker 5: Mister welcome?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But I mean we truly are playing out the string.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's exactly. I mean. Even when you listen

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Speaker 2: when he was talking on Monday morning, you know, just

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Speaker 9: I thought it felt different to me this week. And

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Speaker 9: The only thing I'm really looking for now is for

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Speaker 2: That one play that everyone's talking about where you know,

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's kind of sad that we have to

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Speaker 6: Just that's what they do.

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Speaker 5: I think I think I'm sorry to just have he was.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna I'll put my chips on the table. I

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Speaker 5: So you know, I wouldn't give Derwin James chance money.

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Speaker 3: I think what the Browns just gave Grant Delpit is

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Speaker 5: My guess is they wouldn't offer him anywhere near that amount.

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Speaker 3: Still not here?

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Speaker 2: He's not here?

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Speaker 2: What do you get there? Oh uh, it's a QR.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, forever, So that makes sense.

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Speaker 8: There's a power out. Gym is also Jim is also.

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Speaker 5: I I'm more likely going to pass, but I will

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Speaker 6: If I can't have pieces of time, I'm just not

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Speaker 4: So in that shopping center, my gym is in that

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Speaker 2: Out for those of those For those people who are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got lucky.

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Speaker 6: School was canceled in my town because they still.

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Speaker 2: Got nowadays, you know, it gets over you know, have

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Speaker 2: So no, we don't know where Adrian klem Is we

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Speaker 3: He has health not this week was last week.

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Speaker 5: I think it's more significant than people originally thought. Okay,

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Speaker 8: I wonder if it has something to.

445
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Speaker 2: Do with complications, Yeah, long COVID.

446
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Speaker 8: It could be like people do get long term complications

447
00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:38,480
Speaker 8: from that.

448
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Speaker 5: It's not COVID No.

449
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Speaker 2: But she was saying complicated. It could be kind it's not.

450
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Speaker 2: It's not complications from COVID No. Okay, so you know

451
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Speaker 2: what it is.

452
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Speaker 5: No, but I know it's not. I know what it's not.

453
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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right. So that's that.

454
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Speaker 5: And you know, it makes me, according to what I

455
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Speaker 5: was told you, it just makes me wonder, like I

456
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,040
Speaker 5: didn't examine them. You know, one told me what.

457
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Speaker 2: Kind of coaching is the offensive line getting?

458
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Speaker 9: Well, now they got two rookies, probably they're going to

459
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Speaker 9: be playing the guard spots. I mean, I don't know

460
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Speaker 9: what's going to happen at left tackle. Hopefully Trent Brown

461
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 9: can come back, but.

462
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Speaker 2: So I worry about that, And that leads into my

463
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 2: next question about coaching is I let's assume that the

464
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000
Speaker 2: players are going to the players that are out there

465
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Speaker 2: are going to be playing hard. You know, like every

466
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,880
Speaker 2: game is an audition, everything's on tape. You know, you're

467
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Speaker 2: playing for your career. So I assume that anyone that's

468
00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,880
Speaker 2: out there is going to be playing hard. But what's

469
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Speaker 2: the approach of the coaching for these last three games?

470
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Speaker 9: You know, is it like you just focus on I

471
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Speaker 9: forget what the phrase was I heard them say, but

472
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Speaker 9: just just focus on this game, you know, don't get

473
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Speaker 9: too carried away and what it's all.

474
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Speaker 2: Going to be. But even then, you know, a lot

475
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Speaker 2: of the people that watched this last game, and I

476
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Speaker 2: kind of agree with him saying that the coaches, in

477
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Speaker 2: particular Bill kind of gave up a little bit at

478
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Speaker 2: the end of that game, you know, And we talked

479
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Speaker 2: about it while Bill was doing his press conference that

480
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Speaker 2: you know, with fourteen and change, you're punting at four

481
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,879
Speaker 2: and three on your own forty two or something like that,

482
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Speaker 2: that's kind of a white flag a little bit.

483
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Speaker 9: I think it's a far cry from what you're used to,

484
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Speaker 9: you know, just with the old Patriots and Chief's rivalry,

485
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Speaker 9: and you know, just the end of the game was

486
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Speaker 9: just so weird. I mean, they just they just take

487
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Speaker 9: an knee inside the twenty. I mean, you know, I

488
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Speaker 9: mean we're spoiled. We remember the days when if there

489
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Speaker 9: were ten seconds left on the clock and you had

490
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Speaker 9: Tom Brady, you were like, well, we better make sure

491
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Speaker 9: we get every point we can. But you know, it

492
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Speaker 9: was it was just kind of jarring both teams the

493
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Speaker 9: way they can, you know, and.

494
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Speaker 2: Like we criticize Bill for that, but at the end

495
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Speaker 2: of the day, you know, you got Vederian Lowe, who

496
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Speaker 2: comes in, who's your third string left tackle? And you

497
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 2: know Strange is already out, Hunter Henry's out. At that point,

498
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Speaker 2: it's like, why, you know, why throw these guys into

499
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Speaker 2: the fire like that.

500
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Speaker 5: Let's just well, I mean he always said, I mean

501
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Speaker 5: there's a couple of different things at work, and I

502
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Speaker 5: feel like, if you have guys on your roster, he

503
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Speaker 5: says all the time, we would they wouldn't be on

504
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Speaker 5: our roster if we didn't have confidence in them. Then

505
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Speaker 5: all of a sudden, it's fourth and three from the

506
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Speaker 5: forty two, and everybody just blindly accepts he never said this,

507
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 5: but everybody just blindly accepts that, Well, they didn't go

508
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Speaker 5: for it because they you know, they had all those

509
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Speaker 5: subs in there. Well, why didn't they call timeout in

510
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 5: the second quarter when before anybody had gotten hurt? You know,

511
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 5: when the other team's got the ball at the two

512
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Speaker 5: minute warning at the twenty one yard line, so time's

513
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Speaker 5: not a factor. Kansas City's got the ball to twenty

514
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Speaker 5: one with all three timeouts, they're going to either score

515
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Speaker 5: a touchdown, a field goal, or somehow get nothing, but

516
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Speaker 5: they're not going to run out of time because time's

517
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Speaker 5: not an issue. So in my view, when you run

518
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Speaker 5: the ball on first down in that situation, if you're

519
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 5: Andy Reid, the Patriot should have immediately called the timeout.

520
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 5: So now it's second and eight from the nineteen and

521
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Speaker 5: you have a timeout and it's like a minute fifty

522
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Speaker 5: five left. Yes, So instead they didn't snap the ball

523
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Speaker 5: again until thirty eight seconds went off the play clock.

524
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Speaker 2: So again, don't look at what they say, look at

525
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Speaker 2: what they do. And what they're doing is showing us

526
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Speaker 2: that he has very very little confidence in his offense

527
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Speaker 2: or he's tanking.

528
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Speaker 5: Well, I'm not even going so far as to say tanking,

529
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Speaker 5: because I don't think they tanked last year, and he

530
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Speaker 5: did the same stuff against Buffalo that Thursday night came.

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Speaker 2: So but I think, you know, with that little confidence

532
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Speaker 2: in your offense, what are they going to do for

533
00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: these last three games?

534
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Speaker 5: You know, Like, I don't even know if it has

535
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Speaker 5: as much to do with offenses it does he does.

536
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Speaker 5: I think he's playing a lot of these games against

537
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Speaker 5: teams that he knows are better to keep it as

538
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Speaker 5: close as possible. Managing defeat, Managing defeat, great phrase coin,

539
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 5: managing defeat. You know, I gave Buddy Dan Shaughnessy credit.

540
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Speaker 5: Like he likes to pope fun at the Red Sox.

541
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Speaker 5: He says all the time, the illusion of contention with

542
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Speaker 5: the Red Sox, the hind Bloom Red Sox. Now we

543
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Speaker 5: have him Breslo evidently running the show. So it's the

544
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 5: illusion of contention for them. This is the illusion of

545
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:59,399
Speaker 5: competitive to me, because the game really in the second

546
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Speaker 5: half wasn't really competitive, and he told you that he

547
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Speaker 5: didn't feel that way by his actions.

548
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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, that's setting up for what I know would

549
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 9: make Paul scream from the tilltops is well, seven one

550
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 9: score losses and he's.

551
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Speaker 6: No, you got a quarterback. Maybe those go the other way.

552
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Speaker 5: I did a little research share later.

553
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Speaker 2: And I was thinking of going back and looking at

554
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Speaker 2: Bill's postgame press conferences this year and how many times,

555
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Speaker 2: you know, toward the beginning of each press conference, you know,

556
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Speaker 2: when he does his little monologue where he said, you know,

557
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Speaker 2: game was competitive, how many times he said that this year?

558
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Speaker 2: He said it a lot. Yeah, and it tells you

559
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Speaker 2: that it's on his mind.

560
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'll say another one. And Mike alluded to

561
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Speaker 5: it about ten minutes ago when we were talking about

562
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Speaker 5: like the resignation in his voice, and you know, he's

563
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Speaker 5: rattling off all the names, you know this. Yeah. Right.

564
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Speaker 5: So there was one of the questions on Monday. I

565
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Speaker 5: don't know if you guys caught the press conference, but

566
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Speaker 5: early on someone asked him about the amount of guys

567
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Speaker 5: that have been thrust into bigger roles. You know, there's

568
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Speaker 5: been some guys that are you know, how how have

569
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Speaker 5: some of those guys handled the bigger roles? Well, there

570
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Speaker 5: certainly have been a lot of those, was how he

571
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Speaker 5: started the answer. I'm like, okay, So now if you're

572
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Speaker 5: paying attention out there, we can't protect.

573
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Speaker 3: The football, can't protect the quarter right.

574
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Speaker 5: We can't protect the quarterback. We can't protect the ball,

575
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Speaker 5: and we're just would beat to what would beat to

576
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Speaker 5: hell with injuries and we're still losing a lot of

577
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Speaker 5: close games. That's his mess, that's what he's trying to convince.

578
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Speaker 5: And now I don't know if he if it's like

579
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: an effort with if that's a message to Robert Kraft,

580
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Speaker 5: like trying to rally and keep his job, if he

581
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Speaker 5: in fact wants to be back, I think like I

582
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 5: don't think. Listen, every team in the league, especially this year,

583
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 5: has lost important players to injury. I don't think injuries

584
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 5: have had a big part of what the Patriots record is.

585
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Speaker 5: They lost Christian Gonzalez and Matthew Judon. Those are two

586
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Speaker 5: really big pieces to lose. I'm not finishing that. Most

587
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 5: of the rest have been on the margins Juju Smith

588
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 5: Schuster not playing Sunday did that's not you're three and

589
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 5: eleven with them or without them. Let's call it what

590
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 5: it is.

591
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, but when you when you lose anyone

592
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Speaker 2: who is a starter or a next in game.

593
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Speaker 5: Like every other team. Well, but it's when it's when

594
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 5: you lose Joe Burrow that you separate.

595
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Speaker 2: But can you can you let me finish? When when

596
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: you're when you're starting, guys aren't that good, and then

597
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 2: you lose them, your next guy up is even worse.

598
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: But whereas in other teams maybe their hierarchy, their level

599
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,360
Speaker 2: of next guy up is high.

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Speaker 5: I'm giving them even more credit than that because I

601
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Speaker 5: do think Matthew Judah and Christian Gonzale is a good

602
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Speaker 5: solid starter. Oh yeah, like I but I don't think

603
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Speaker 5: that the Patriots have had more losses to injury than

604
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Speaker 5: any other team.

605
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Speaker 9: And I'd say to the issues that they've had, go

606
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Speaker 9: back and listen to Patriots Unfiltered in April and May

607
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 9: of last year, and they're all issues that we talked about.

608
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Speaker 9: I mean, I know I talked about the lack of password.

609
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 9: I mean, you probably go find the show what happens

610
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 9: if Matthew Judung goes down your pass?

611
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 6: Ud is gonna take? It was a very thin rock

612
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 6: the tackle position.

613
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Speaker 3: But you remember, I don't give them like the out,

614
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 3: like the exactly these injuries excuses and stuff like that.

615
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 3: It's like the line, whether it's been Trent Brown at

616
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Speaker 3: left tackle, Cole Strange at left guard, or Antonio Maffi

617
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: and Connor McDermott or Vederian Lowe. It's been trash all

618
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 3: season long. They have one of the worst offensive lines

619
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Speaker 3: in the entire league. They are dead last and pretty

620
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 3: much every single pass blocking metric in the league like regardless.

621
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Speaker 2: And that gets me. That gets me back to the coaching, like,

622
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Speaker 2: are these guys getting good coaching?

623
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Speaker 9: You know, you know, to just I don't know if

624
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 9: you know if you felt this way, Evan, but I was,

625
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 9: you know, watching the film back, but just seeing the contrast.

626
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 3: I love when he says that between.

627
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 9: Joe Toney and Cole Strange and and I don't you know,

628
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 9: I don't mean to disrespect cold Strange. I know he's been,

629
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 9: you know, better, but you look at Joe Toney and

630
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Speaker 9: it's it's just hard. And I know that they they

631
00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 9: messed that whole thing up. But at the end of

632
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Speaker 9: the day, it was like, why couldn't you just kept

633
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:03,960
Speaker 9: Joe Toney. I mean, it's probably your best draft pick

634
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 9: of the last ten years.

635
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 5: Maybe it's part of my point. You have to draft

636
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 5: these guys, develop them and give.

637
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Speaker 9: And You're looking at him and you're like, we didn't

638
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 9: need him, and we went to the first round to

639
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 9: take close strange and you know again, and this is

640
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 9: saying it is cool, change played, okay, but Joe Toney

641
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 9: just you see how calm he is, how smart he is,

642
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 9: how strong he is.

643
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 5: You know, he was at center on that play that Fritz.

644
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean he bought three different guys on one

645
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 9: play I was watching, and you know, it's just that's

646
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 9: the difference.

647
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 6: You see what a true looks like, and.

648
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 9: You know, and all the franchise tags and everything you

649
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 9: did with him, and you know, it's.

650
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Speaker 2: Just I've said it before. The problems with the offensive

651
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 2: line started with.

652
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Speaker 4: That, and it's like, you know, not just not to

653
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 4: compare Mike on one of Joe Toney or anything, but

654
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 4: it's like it makes you wonder, like how are they

655
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 4: going to handle that situation? Like are you going to

656
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 4: bring him back or are you going to be like, oh,

657
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 4: we can go find another one.

658
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's I mean, it's you know, and I'm sure,

659
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Speaker 9: like you know, at the time, they could have given

660
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Speaker 9: him a contract, but by this point, if you would

661
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Speaker 9: give him a three for your deal and he's still here.

662
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 6: You would be a deal, right.

663
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 3: He would be events They created a mess for themselves.

664
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: It started with Joe Toney. Then in the same offseason

665
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 3: they trade Shack Mason, they low ball Ted Carris. They

666
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: lose three really solid players on the interior, and they've

667
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,959
Speaker 3: been chasing their tail ever since. And they've had to

668
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: ignore issues at tackle because they've had to chase their

669
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: tail at guard.

670
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 5: It's the combin nation I agree with like I'm not necessary.

671
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 5: I didn't agree with franchising Toney because I think it's

672
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 5: too much money for for you know, I would have

673
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 5: it's based.

674
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: On Tackley or you have to franchise.

675
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 5: For what money. I don't want him to be one

676
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 5: of the highest paid guard I don't think that's good

677
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 5: money spent. And I think but Eavans right, when you

678
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 5: plugged in Ted Carris, it was fine. Then you let Ted.

679
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 5: It's when you let the Ted Carrises go over a

680
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 5: million dollars and killed.

681
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: I know, but think about that, that's a killer. Let's

682
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: just say. Let's just say, for argument's sake, at that

683
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 2: time they reach an agreement before they had to franchise

684
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: him that and he becomes the highest paid guard in

685
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 2: the NFL. It's only going to be for a little while, right,

686
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 2: I don't know.

687
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 5: And then you, I mean, I get that he's a

688
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 5: good player. I just don't value the positions.

689
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: But now you'd be like, I'm so glad I did that.

690
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 9: But I compare that the capital that you not only

691
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 9: paid him on the franchise tab, but the first round

692
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 9: pick you had to spend on Cole Strange to fill.

693
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 6: I mean, there's a lot of things.

694
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 5: I'd rather have the highest paid corner, or the highest

695
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 5: paid edge rusher, or the highest paid wide receiver, because

696
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure those guys are impacting you. Wins and

697
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 5: losses that I don't think guards are.

698
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: The dominant effect of Joe Toney, Shack Mason, and Ted

699
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 3: Carris and the decisions that they had to then make

700
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: after the fact to catch up on that. That's what's

701
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 3: the killer, because now you're using a first round pick

702
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: on Cole Strange instead of using a first round pick

703
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 3: out a different position or you could help your team more.

704
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 3: And they just had this whole that whole thing just

705
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 3: has never settled down since the moment that they did

706
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: all that, And.

707
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 5: You could have you could have given it to Tony

708
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 5: and maked him the highest guy like Fred, you know,

709
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 5: and then you let Mason and Carris go. Okay, but

710
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 5: it's like, I'm not going to give it to Tony. I

711
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 5: had already red I had already redid shack Mason, and

712
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 5: I let him go. I trade him for nothing, and

713
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 5: then let I let Caris go over peanuts, right.

714
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: I mean, in twenty one, their their line was really good,

715
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 3: and they they had better coaching. You know, car Busella

716
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 3: is a better coach than what they have right now.

717
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: But they had Kris Andrews and in Shaq Mason on

718
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: the interior, and it made sense that they wanted a

719
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: spot for mike on Winu. So you get rid of

720
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: one of those guys, but they got rid of both

721
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: of them.

722
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 5: I didn't understand trading Shaq Mason.

723
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think because they thought that mike on Wanhu

724
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: was specifically a right side of the line player, and

725
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: so with Shaq.

726
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 2: But like think about Tony's he can play all three

727
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: left side positions. In a pinch, he can play tackle.

728
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: That was the beauty of having Joe Toney.

729
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 9: I mean, am I wrong to say he's their best

730
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 9: draft pick in the last ten years. I mean I

731
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 9: just kind of threw that out there, but like I

732
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 9: mean overall in.

733
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: Terms of probably, I mean it's not a high bar,

734
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 3: but probably either.

735
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: I mean last ten years.

736
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, why don't you go, look, that's why we're here. Yeah,

737
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 5: maybe if you want to say barb war, but I

738
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 5: think a better playing I mean I would way more consistent.

739
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 5: I would probably. It was just I could probably give

740
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 5: it to too.

741
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 9: It was just striking to just see because you know,

742
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 9: you can put it right next to each other and

743
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 9: you're watching there's Joe Tooney, there's Cole Stranger seeing exactly,

744
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 9: you know, just how stout Toney is, and then you

745
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 9: see Cole, who you know, mitally has been, you know,

746
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 9: playing better. I think everybody knows that. I mean Bill

747
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 9: highlighted it too. But it's still it's it's hard. It's

748
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 9: hard for him.

749
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 5: He just doesn't have the answer to that question that

750
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 5: I talked about. Bugged me the way that certainly has

751
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 5: been a lot of them. I don't know, if you've

752
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 5: paid attention, you know we were down, you know, we

753
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 5: would down Connor McDermott in this game, right Like, I

754
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 5: don't know if you realize how much of that and

755
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 5: that's not a disrespectful shot at Connor McDermott. But he's

756
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 5: a he's a journeyman sort of jag who has given

757
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 5: you everything he has. I thought last year he was

758
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 5: played hurt, you know, the whole end of the year

759
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 5: last year when they were fighting to try to get

760
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 5: That's not a disrespectful he's just he is what he is.

761
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 5: He's a backup lineman, and now when he gets hurt

762
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 5: in the middle of a game, it's suddenly the difference

763
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 5: between competing and taking a knee down seventeen.

764
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: They also, I don't know if you knowice the other

765
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 3: guys in their line, but there their center, Creed pretty

766
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 3: pretty darn good, made one of the best centers in

767
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: the league. And then Jowan Taylor, their right tackle, is

768
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 3: a free agent this past offseason who they paid, and

769
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 3: he's having a pretty solid year too. You know, Sands

770
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 3: the whole.

771
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 5: Fil missing their left but well they were missing their

772
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 5: left tackle.

773
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he didn't play, but you know Wanya Morris,

774
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 3: who's played at left tackle for them, had an up

775
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 3: and down game for sure, But he's a draft pick

776
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: that you know, you could have taken in the fourth

777
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 3: round instead of let's say, you know, City So or

778
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: Jake Andrews or somebody like that who actually plays tackle,

779
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 3: and they didn't. So you know, it's just this offensive

780
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: line that was by far their biggest issue in this game.

781
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 3: On Sunday, the second half, their pressure rate was like

782
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: sixty percent that they were getting through on blitzes constantly.

783
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: They couldn't you can't execute a drop back passing game

784
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 3: like that, Like you can't push the ball down the field,

785
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 3: even if they are opportunities to do so, when you

786
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 3: can't block anybody up front. And I thought that his

787
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: immediate answer to the question Bill's on the fourth down

788
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 3: was that we can't block anybody. Yeah, And that's that's

789
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 3: exactly how it played out. They were literally unable to

790
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: execute anything other than like quick game and but like

791
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 3: my donkey dunks and we don't.

792
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,880
Speaker 5: Have to be labor the whole their approach point. But

793
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 5: that was part of what bothered me, is like they

794
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 5: didn't block anybody on the touchdown that they went for

795
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 5: in fourth and two either, you got immediate pressure on that.

796
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 5: He bought just enough time and he made a pass

797
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 5: like that can happen, like you're down seventeen in the

798
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 5: fourth quarter. So isn't the risk of maybe I can

799
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,439
Speaker 5: get a little lucky here better than I'm just gonna

800
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 5: punt it to him and hope that they throw an

801
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 5: interception in two possessions.

802
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,960
Speaker 3: Their line play is brutal. It is absolutely horrible to watch.

803
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: And then you know, so you know to stay on

804
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 2: the offense. You look at the body language of Bill

805
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: O'Brien on the sideline and it's a lot of just

806
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: shaking his head.

807
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 5: I saw I saw a clip yesterday after the first

808
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 5: series of the game where he looked like you just

809
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 5: wanted to fight somebody. Yeah, he didn't yell at anybody,

810
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 5: but the look on his face he just came walking,

811
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 5: was like, that's the first possession of the game. That's

812
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 5: how we're going three and out to start this game?

813
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 5: Like did not did anybody listen at all? Like I was,

814
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 5: I had all this in my mind, like because third

815
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 5: look on his face.

816
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: First down, first down, they send a run blitz backside,

817
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 3: safety blitzes off the off the line of scrimmage, nobody

818
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: blocks him, blown up in the backfield. Second down pressure, nothing,

819
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: Third down, Bailey Zappi throws a freaking dirt ball to

820
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 3: Pop Douglas who was open for the first down punt,

821
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: Like that's that's that offense right out of the gate.

822
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 3: And it's so much of it starts up front and

823
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: these teams are just they're just coming downhill at the

824
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage again.

825
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 2: Nothing to worry about. No, you know, you give up

826
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: one play, that's fine, it doesn't matter. So I just

827
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 2: see in I sense this resignation on some of the coaches,

828
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 2: including the head Well.

829
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 3: Like everybody wants Bill O'Brien to and I'm not trying

830
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: to excuse him or resolve him of everything, but everybody

831
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: wants Bill O'Brien to, like dress it up better and

832
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: cook it up better. And it's like if you when

833
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: you drop back the pass and a quarterback hits the

834
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: top of the drop and he's got two guys in

835
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 3: his face immediately, like what do you want Bill O'Brien

836
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: to scheme up? Like what do you what do you

837
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: expect him to be in the lab doing at that

838
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: point in time when you know they they play action

839
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 3: and Bailey Zappi is the most blitzed quarterback in the

840
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 3: league on play action sixty percent of the time when

841
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 3: they run play action he's getting blitzed because teams are

842
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 3: run blitzing and they're just attacking the line of scrimmage.

843
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: Whether it's a run or it's a play action, either way,

844
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 3: they're going to be in the backfield and there's just

845
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: nobody blocking it. Like what do you want them to do? Honestly?

846
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 10: Like it.

847
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 5: You know, at least when they had Stevenson, I thought

848
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 5: there was at least some signs that it was getting

849
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 5: a little better running the ball. Since he went out,

850
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 5: it's back to like, you know, under two under three

851
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 5: yards of carry. This week they squeaked over three yards

852
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 5: of carry for Ezekiel Elliott in the Pittsburgh game. On

853
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 5: the last play of the game. He had a twelve

854
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 5: yard run on his last run of the game short

855
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 5: of the first down right here, right, No, but like

856
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 5: it was because they had gotten a penalty and it

857
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 5: was like second and fifty or third and fifteen or

858
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 5: whatever it was, and he got twelve yards to average

859
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 5: three point one. Like they can't run the ball at all. Yeah,

860
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 5: that's why getting play action blitzes.

861
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was watching the Broncos against the Lions yet

862
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: last night, and the Lions line is just incredible. I

863
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: mean just it's it's beautiful to watch, Like the unison

864
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 3: that they block with, it's it's just fantastic. And you

865
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: just look at Jared Goff just standing there with all

866
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 3: the time in the world, no clean pocket, and it

867
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 3: just yeah, and just throwing the ball Like I did

868
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 3: not know. I said this to you off air, Like

869
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: I not know that Jared Goff had that kind of

870
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: arm streng but because he's able to just step into

871
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 3: every single throw and sling it. I mean, it's just

872
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: like they can do whatever they want because their line

873
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 3: is going to block it, whether it's in the run game,

874
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 3: the pass game, whatever. And then you watch the Patriots

875
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 3: film and it's just like an absolute.

876
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: Sin KOs or anything.

877
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 6: Chr right.

878
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Speaker 2: And even like you know last night the Eagles, I

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Speaker 2: know they lost, but like their interior, I mean they.

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Speaker 6: Just move people, you know, big dudes.

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Speaker 5: Seems like the Eagles again a little payback from those

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Speaker 5: games that they had. Oh it was kind of sketchy.

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Speaker 5: Referees come back at them the other way, like Dallas Kelsey.

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Speaker 5: Oh god, there was some bad calls in that game

885
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Speaker 5: last night against them.

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Speaker 2: All Right, foods here, Paul's hungry.

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Speaker 6: I got food too.

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Speaker 13: And we were back after a little hiatus. Been a

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Speaker 13: couple of weeks of fields like Happy, a couple of shows.

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Speaker 13: Faith is back, PU halftime show start with some trivia

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Speaker 13: as usual, and this is this is this is random.

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Speaker 13: I larterly just whipped this together.

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Speaker 12: So all right.

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Speaker 13: Question one, and you know you're gonna get a T shirt,

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Speaker 13: I think a poster. You're you're getting something. You're you're

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Speaker 13: getting something, all right. Question one? What year did the

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Speaker 13: NFL switch from Rebook to Nike as their jersey supplier?

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Speaker 12: Know that one, okay? Question two?

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Speaker 13: How many career sacks did Teddy Bruski have? And question three,

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Speaker 13: when was the last time that the Patriots had a

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Speaker 13: top ten draft pick?

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Speaker 12: Okay? Because it looks like that's where we're read. We

928
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Speaker 12: might be top five.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 13: So we've been doing Thursday night previews, but the games

931
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Speaker 13: are dying down and so as I was walking down

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Speaker 13: the studio of Faith, I was like, let's switch it

933
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Speaker 13: up a little, and I think we're going to talk

934
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Speaker 13: about a big issue in the league, which is the

935
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Speaker 13: quarterback play and injuries.

936
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Speaker 12: And everything.

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Speaker 13: I mean, Saturday, we had Ian Browning versus Nick Mullins.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, a lot of nobody's are getting their chance to

939
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Speaker 10: try to make.

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Speaker 13: And it's just crazy because there's a lot of quarterbacks

941
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Speaker 13: like still on the street, Like like I mean Cam,

942
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Speaker 13: you know, his last year here was okay, but.

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Speaker 12: Hey, we had a better record with him than we

944
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Speaker 12: do now.

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Speaker 10: I mean, league is just sad.

946
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Speaker 12: There you go.

947
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Speaker 13: There's that, which is a whole other issue. Let's just

948
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Speaker 13: run through some of the issues around the leagues. We've

949
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Speaker 13: got the Giants with Tommy DeVito, Tommy Cutlets, which it's

950
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Speaker 13: been a good story, but let's be real, that's gonna

951
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Speaker 13: that's probably gonna end eventually.

952
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Speaker 10: This season has been defined by good stories and then

953
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 10: like bad results.

954
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Speaker 12: Exact, or you get story and then.

955
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Speaker 13: It just kind of or you get a little insanity

956
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Speaker 13: run Like Dobbs, who went from the Pastronaut to the

957
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Speaker 13: Astronauts say, I don't know, Matt, you can cut that

958
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Speaker 13: out if you want. We had the Bears, they had

959
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Speaker 13: Tyler Bagent, Bigent Bagent. Yeah, he's gone, the Vikings, Josh Dobbs,

960
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Speaker 13: Nick Mullens, Jaron Hall and like, you know, these injuries

961
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Speaker 13: are unfortunate because you know Kirk Cousins, like contract year

962
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Speaker 13: older guy Aaron Rodgers four plays in, you know, see

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Speaker 13: what happens, like there's only so much you do about

964
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Speaker 13: these non contact injuries, but also.

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Speaker 10: Rush to get healthy obviously hoping to be in the playoffs.

966
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Speaker 13: And now and now you saw he wants to play

967
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Speaker 13: why but like now there's literally no reason to play

968
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Speaker 13: because like they're out. They got eliminated for good. So

969
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Speaker 13: now it's just like rest up the Texans. We had

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Speaker 13: we had case Keenum sighting this past weekend, which they won,

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Speaker 13: which also I think that means they should get the

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Speaker 13: Oilers jerseys back, but.

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Speaker 10: That might be a separatep for that's a whole nother

974
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Speaker 10: halftime show. But yeah, so you got some case Keo

975
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Speaker 10: because CJ. Stroud has been down now and I also

976
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Speaker 10: think I think at this point in the season, nobody's

977
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Speaker 10: fully healthy, but especially when your quarterback is not fully healthy,

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Speaker 10: like in Jacksonville with Trevor Lawrence, I feel like we

979
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Speaker 10: saw him just struggling through pains.

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Speaker 13: All this last and it's it's annoying because like you know,

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Speaker 13: we see these like really iffy roughing the passer calls,

982
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Speaker 13: which I'm kind of of the mindset of, like you

983
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Speaker 13: throw the flag, the guy already got hit, Like you

984
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Speaker 13: already got hit.

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Speaker 12: So what are we doing? Like they're gonna get hits

986
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Speaker 12: the contact sport.

987
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Speaker 13: But it's just it's just bad, and I don't know

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Speaker 13: how to fix it, and I don't know how you

989
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Speaker 13: can fix it because there's no like developmental league, which

990
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Speaker 13: is that's a whole other subject too. But then you know,

991
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Speaker 13: you got the whole NFC South, which is like their

992
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Speaker 13: starters are just gross as like the Falcons, Desmond Ridder Heineke,

993
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Speaker 13: who I like Heineke, Yeah, Derek Carr, who's like a

994
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Speaker 13: blow average starter, and you got Baker Mayfield who's turning

995
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Speaker 13: into it, oh.

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Speaker 10: God, a perfect pass.

997
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Speaker 12: And that's the thing. And that's the thing.

998
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Speaker 13: He's setting the bar right now. So I don't know

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Speaker 13: what to do. How we do The NFL's got an

1000
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Speaker 13: issue because you know, they flexed up because also we

1001
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Speaker 13: left out us. We had the Patriots.

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Speaker 12: We have an issue too. Yeah, we have an issue too.

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Speaker 12: And you know they.

1004
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Speaker 13: Flexed us out of Monday night, which that was fun

1005
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Speaker 13: for us because we had a normal Sunday. But they

1006
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Speaker 13: were very close to having Monday Night, which ended up

1007
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Speaker 13: being a good game. It was close to being Drew

1008
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Speaker 13: Locke versus Marcus Mariota.

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Speaker 12: It was very close.

1010
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Speaker 10: But then you have people like Joe Flacco who's doing

1011
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 10: well after like what how many years is he not

1012
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Speaker 10: really been playing?

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Speaker 12: It's interesting.

1014
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Speaker 13: So then it's it's I mean, you hear this a bunch,

1015
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Speaker 13: but like the backup quarterback position is going to turn

1016
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Speaker 13: into the most valuable position because like these guys can't

1017
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Speaker 13: especially with the extra game, they're probably going to add

1018
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Speaker 13: another game.

1019
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Speaker 10: So just when you look at how fast injuries can

1020
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Speaker 10: happen and how you have to be able to adjust

1021
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Speaker 10: on the fly, you look at the Jets, you look

1022
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Speaker 10: at the Bikings, you look at the Jaguars, the Bengals

1023
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Speaker 10: and the Chargers, like they didn't really.

1024
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Speaker 13: People forget the gold said Anthony Richard said he was

1025
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,399
Speaker 13: looking good and now they got Minchew Mania's back.

1026
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Speaker 10: Yeah, And so like I feel like this season specifically,

1027
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Speaker 10: like we just have weeks on weeks where it's just

1028
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 10: second string, third string quarterbacks are playing. So it's definitely

1029
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Speaker 10: a valued position.

1030
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Speaker 13: It's it's it's it's frustrating because sometimes you see these

1031
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 13: games like that that Saturday game Vikings Bengals that you

1032
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Speaker 13: could say that's a preseason matchup.

1033
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Speaker 5: Oh, like.

1034
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Speaker 10: The scoring is like off the charts. You either got

1035
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 10: seventy point games or it's like nine.

1036
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Speaker 13: To Well the Thursday night game also the third we

1037
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Speaker 13: left that out. It was Easton Stick versus Aidan O'Connell,

1038
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Speaker 13: who looks like the guy from Super Troopers.

1039
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Speaker 10: Yes, but I mean then he puts up like sixty

1040
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 10: sixty three plays sixty.

1041
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Speaker 13: Three points and you know what that and that's the thing.

1042
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Speaker 13: If that's the score we're getting, I don't care. Oh,

1043
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Speaker 13: I don't care.

1044
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 10: I'd rather nobody come in here and score sixty three.

1045
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Speaker 10: Then we have the Carolina Falcons, you know, Carolina versus

1046
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 10: Falcons game where it's like seven to nine.

1047
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, which is which is crazy? And did you see

1048
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Speaker 12: that those stands? Oh?

1049
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 13: Those and that I mean, you know everybody takes the

1050
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Speaker 13: halftime pictures. You don't, no, But I feel for their.

1051
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 10: Content team for sure, having to try to produce stuff,

1052
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Speaker 10: especially fans are boycotting your.

1053
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Speaker 13: Own team, Like tickets are going for forty five cents,

1054
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Speaker 13: which I'm gonna do a little tangent here. As as

1055
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Speaker 13: an NFL fan, and like if like now, I work

1056
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Speaker 13: with the team, but if I see tickets for forty

1057
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Speaker 13: five cents, I'm.

1058
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Speaker 10: Going, oh, I mean like shine, Like why not?

1059
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Speaker 13: I'm going like rain? Maybe because you know, Chargers game

1060
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 13: now is miserable, but forty five cents that there you go.

1061
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 12: You can spend. You can go off that your whole

1062
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 12: budget for the ticket goes to hot dogs.

1063
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Speaker 10: I mean, you're probably gonna pay five dollars in fees.

1064
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Speaker 12: But that's fine. That's fine, better than the Taylor Swift fees,

1065
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 12: you know.

1066
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Speaker 10: Yeah, speaking of Taylor Swift, we had her in the building.

1067
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Speaker 13: She was here, the queen, as they might say, Oh,

1068
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 13: as I say, the queen was in the building.

1069
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Speaker 12: I will say.

1070
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Speaker 13: We posted the picture of her smiling for the camera,

1071
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Speaker 13: but they didn't leave out the part where she did

1072
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 13: not look happy on the show.

1073
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, they definitely left the video in it a little

1074
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 10: bit too long. But apparently she was fine with being

1075
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Speaker 10: put on the screen. I guess she just didn't want

1076
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 10: to be on the screen that long.

1077
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Speaker 12: There you go. Hey, you know, she means a lot

1078
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Speaker 12: to this venue, and I'm sure she'll I'm sure she'll

1079
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Speaker 12: be back. She'll be back.

1080
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Speaker 13: Maybe not as a Chiefs fan, but you know, for

1081
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 13: her tour whatever that is. Again, I don't know if

1082
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Speaker 13: she doing back.

1083
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 12: Yeah, I think she is gonna run.

1084
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 10: She has another US leg, but I don't think Jillette

1085
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Speaker 10: Stadium has been included.

1086
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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm sure we'll get that eventually. But Faith, I

1087
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 13: think you know we switched up the topic. I'm glad

1088
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 13: we did that because but I will say, talk about

1089
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 13: Thursday night football. I think we have one or two

1090
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 13: games left. And I tell all my friends when they're like,

1091
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 13: I don't want to watch this trash, I'm like, you're

1092
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 13: gonna be asking.

1093
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 12: For it when it's March.

1094
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Speaker 13: Yes, and the only thing on is like Reds Talks

1095
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Speaker 13: versus Padres or something like that. But guys, send your

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Speaker 14: and every other thing that you do in here, god

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Speaker 5: Take a little more zen approach and you're in the moment.

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Speaker 2: We have eight it's fuel.

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Speaker 5: How about eleven minutes? Does that is that? Egregious?

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Speaker 15: Is eleven minutes in the whole day. See, here's the thing.

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Speaker 15: His work day is four hours. Our work day is

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Speaker 15: ten hours. Yeah, yeah, that's what he doesn't understand. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: that's what he does understand more.

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Speaker 5: Than does that.

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Speaker 14: Does that include when I'm here doing the ReBs or

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Speaker 14: I'm doing my satellite a single day on a single.

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Speaker 2: Day and a single We're not here to do the

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Speaker 2: podcast slash radio show. We're here to do other things.

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Speaker 2: We throw that in for our fans. Let's carry let

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Speaker 2: our fans understand that we need to eat.

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00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 5: Let's you and I both carry a little personal work.

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00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: Mater believe in UFOs. Hardy and you're just stupid. Let's

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Speaker 2: talk about UFOs.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm going there.

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Speaker 12: And that's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: Boy.

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Speaker 6: Was that an andy he he heats that's me. Oh man,

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00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 6: you guys got into it. That was when Hardy decided.

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Speaker 12: I'm out of here.

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Speaker 6: I'm leaving this show.

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Speaker 5: Now, that's the thing we we kid Mike and I

1147
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 5: had to coax them back.

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Speaker 2: That's a long time thing. With so long your music.

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Speaker 6: Shows, he respects them.

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Speaker 3: He also told me that that he's worried about you

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00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 3: being mad at him about fly fishing. His takes on

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Speaker 3: fly fishing.

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00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 2: Why would he do that?

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00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 3: He said, Uh, Fred is ready to fire me anyway.

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00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 3: He didn't like what I said about fly fishing on

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Speaker 3: my music show.

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00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: That's perfect. He has a sense of humor, unlike a

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Speaker 2: lot of other people in the radio biz.

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Speaker 6: That's why he's so hard in the radio.

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Speaker 2: Have some fun.

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Speaker 5: That's my biggest not dead guys, who does I know?

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Speaker 9: But we're just like, you know, we get some stiff

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Speaker 9: in here who can't talk jaws and have some silliness,

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Speaker 9: and then it's gonna get stale.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have to think. We have to, you know,

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Speaker 2: think about this and you.

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Speaker 6: Know, against send your resume is Paul Perillo care of.

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Speaker 2: But but much like the Patriots coaching staff, we've had

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Speaker 2: a brain drain when it comes to postgame hosts.

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Speaker 9: Like we're you know, well you've had stability for a

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Speaker 9: long time, and now it's going a job for myself though,

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Speaker 9: we're gonna franchise you.

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Speaker 6: You can't go anywhere.

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Speaker 5: I just hit you with the tag. I just create

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Speaker 5: better opportunities for others, just not myself.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we should bring in the bath tender.

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Speaker 3: Hey, oh pie, hatch out. We could do We could do.

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Speaker 2: Worst he could do that is the host or a guest.

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Speaker 5: He'd be the host host, I know.

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Speaker 2: But like I'm talking about, like who is Alex Isn't

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Speaker 2: he Isn't he a better guest?

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Speaker 16: Now?

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Speaker 3: Actually I think I think he's a better host really

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Speaker 3: in my time working with him, which is you know,

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Speaker 3: quite a bit.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: I always love when he hosts because he just sets

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Speaker 3: the table and then I all I have to do

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Speaker 3: is think about about my take.

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Speaker 5: So he's better for you. That's much easier. That's why

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Speaker 5: we want that that seat to be right.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you need that host that can hit

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Speaker 2: the posts.

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Speaker 8: But I feel like Alex is I feel like Alex

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Speaker 8: is also good.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's also very funny.

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Speaker 3: And Alex at his core was at his core and

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Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't take offense to this. At his core,

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Speaker 3: I would say that like hosting is like that's his

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Speaker 3: being like a radio host, a Felger or somebody like

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Speaker 3: that is like his dream job. So I would say

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Speaker 3: that that's like at his at his roots.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you're in radio, right, yeah, that's you

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Speaker 2: want to be the guy and they want to be

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Speaker 2: the guy.

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Speaker 9: Yeah right, it thinks it's so much easier for us

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Speaker 9: though that like you know, we come like we're stuck

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Speaker 9: waiting for Taylor Swift to get down the elevator.

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Speaker 6: And like, you know, Harty's got it. The show is started.

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Speaker 6: He's got plenty to say, you know, it's it's all

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Speaker 6: taken care of. We just got to sit here and

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Speaker 6: answer questions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know you have to read the reads

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Speaker 2: and you have to get to the break.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 2: I know I don't have any in front of him.

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Speaker 5: Is that done?

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Speaker 9: You have to, you know, keep the flow of the

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Speaker 9: show going. Hard job so much like the days when

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Speaker 9: you're out and I'm like, I got a host. It's

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Speaker 9: like a whole different thing than just sitting here responding

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Speaker 9: to you as like you said at the table. It's

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Speaker 9: it's so much easier sitting in this seat than that.

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Speaker 11: I was.

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Speaker 2: I was going to tease him on the last show.

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Speaker 2: I might do it because we got an email about

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Speaker 2: how you know, Hardy tries to make the emails like theater.

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Speaker 6: Yea, yeah, we told them, We told them.

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Speaker 2: And I was going to say, you know, Hardy, I

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Speaker 2: I really need to apologize to you and to be

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Speaker 2: like you know what, because you know, I encourage you

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Speaker 2: to put a little bit more feeling into the emails.

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Speaker 2: But apparently our listeners really don't like it. They don't

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Speaker 2: they don't think you do a good job. You get

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Speaker 2: a good one.

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Speaker 9: Like we told him about that on the show this week,

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Speaker 9: and we're like, you know, they were, they're busting chops

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Speaker 9: about that. And then he went into a whole you know,

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Speaker 9: email reading that was very dramatic, but that he's it's funny.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's good, miss you, Bob. Jeez my god, it's

1241
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 2: out for the guy, all right, speaking to someone who

1242
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Speaker 2: would probably want to be the host of the pre

1243
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: postgame show, Patty, and he's taken outline. What's up, Patty?

1244
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Speaker 17: If I could get drunks Freddy?

1245
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Speaker 5: Oh well, and you're out callers need not a class.

1246
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Speaker 17: So you were you were talking about like fellow check

1247
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 17: and and how talent was and then guys start dropping

1248
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Speaker 17: and I just wanted to make a point about him

1249
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Speaker 17: and and kind of end it with a question. We

1250
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Speaker 17: saw in Dynasties Part one and two, how I mean,

1251
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 17: the offensive line wasn't great, but it was at least good,

1252
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Speaker 17: and it seemed like they had decent depths too. And

1253
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Speaker 17: over the last few years of relying on guys like

1254
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 17: tren Brown, who's unreliable. We create holes at guard, you know,

1255
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Speaker 17: and the guys that we get for depth pieces, they're

1256
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 17: just they're terrible, you know, not to say that, like,

1257
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Speaker 17: you know, second third string around the NFL. Guys that

1258
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Speaker 17: are sitting on the bench aren't aren't really all that great.

1259
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 17: That's why they're on the bench.

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Speaker 16: But what do you think that is?

1261
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Speaker 18: What?

1262
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Speaker 13: What?

1263
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Speaker 17: What do you think he's missed because he has been

1264
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 17: able to identify talent on both both ends of the

1265
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Speaker 17: line on offensive defense.

1266
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Speaker 16: And do you think if.

1267
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Speaker 17: If they don't get rid of them, let's say that,

1268
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 17: like he agrees to come back and just only become

1269
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 17: a coach, do you think that crap loses a little

1270
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 17: credibility with the fans? And that's all I got something.

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00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 9: If he comes back, there's going to be a definite

1272
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 9: significant portion of the fan base that's pissed about it.

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Speaker 2: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Two things. One, their offensive lines during the dynasty

1275
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 3: were fantastic. I don't know what he's talking about that

1276
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 3: they weren't good, doubt. I mean, Dante Scarnekia like probably

1277
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Speaker 3: should be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Like

1278
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 3: their line play for years was incredibly good. But I

1279
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Speaker 3: think that, yes, there's a talent issue across the NFL

1280
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Speaker 3: with offensive line play that probably relates to the lack

1281
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 3: of padded practices and real time to drill technique and

1282
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 3: things like that. That makes a second string guard in

1283
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: today's day and age probably a little bit worse than

1284
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Speaker 3: a second string guard ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. And

1285
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Speaker 3: that's what makes it so much more important to invest

1286
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: in the guys at the top, you know, the premium players,

1287
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 3: because there isn't a lot of depth around the league

1288
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 3: in offensive line, and so that makes a big difference

1289
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 3: between Juwan Taylor and you know, Calvin Anderson, Like there's

1290
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: a big, big drop off between those two players.

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Speaker 5: So let me ask you this as a guy who

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Speaker 5: watches a lot of the line play, and admittedly I don't,

1293
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 5: so do you think that like a Joe and Drewsey

1294
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 5: and like a Dan Conley Russ Hochstein, do you think

1295
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 5: they're much more talented than Cole Strange.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't say more talented. I think those guys all

1297
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Speaker 3: we were tougher and stronger players on the interior, which

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Speaker 3: I think has been Cole's I'm a tough question, like

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Speaker 3: his toughness.

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Speaker 5: I just mean like he you know, his ability to

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Speaker 5: move PFI and things like city so you know those

1302
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 5: kinds of guys. Yeah, yeah, Like because my feeling is

1303
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 5: that I think that Brady doesn't get nearly enough credit

1304
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 5: for how well the offensive line played, because I think

1305
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 5: that Patty and I agree with Evan. They had one year,

1306
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 5: like I think it was seven, they had four Pro

1307
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 5: Bowlers out of the five offensive lineman, five layers of protection.

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00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 5: But but I think that what really stood out to

1309
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 5: me was when like the year that was it, Dan

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00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 5: Copen was the center that got hurt, and then they

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Speaker 5: went through like four centers. Yeah, like Nick McDonald remember

1312
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 5: some like you didn't notice, You didn't notice at all,

1313
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 5: Brady noticed, you know, Brandon Goren playing you know, tackle

1314
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 5: out of nowhere, Tom Ashworth, you know, a convert Like

1315
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 5: these guys were like undrafted converted tight ends and they

1316
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 5: were no different than like Nate Solder.

1317
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 2: I also think that the game is changing a little bit,

1318
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 2: even since.

1319
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 5: You know Evan's point about the practices exactly well.

1320
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 2: That plus the game itself, you know, from the early

1321
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 2: two thousand, I think what's being asked of offensive linemen

1322
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: these days is a little bit different than you know

1323
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 2: in the past, you know, like and I think one

1324
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: of the problems the Patriots of having, and again it

1325
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,479
Speaker 2: goes back to coaching, is communication. Yeah, that's my point

1326
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:54,800
Speaker 2: about getting sophisticated. It's not just I'm just beating you

1327
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 2: one on one all the time, but it's communicating with Brady.

1328
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 5: Any credit for that communication, Yeah, I do.

1329
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 10: I do.

1330
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 9: I go to what Cope and Dan Copen said, because

1331
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 9: I think he was asked when he went to Denver

1332
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 9: what was the difference, and he was like, Brady did everything.

1333
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 9: So I mean, how much you know the quarterback when

1334
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,560
Speaker 9: we saw it last week with ZAPPI, you know, misidentifying

1335
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 9: the mic, not setting the right protection. I mean, all

1336
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 9: these things are things that Brady would always know where

1337
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 9: the pressure is gonna be. He'll call the right mic,

1338
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 9: he knows where he's gonna be hot.

1339
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: So part of part of its physical ability, you know,

1340
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: but a lot of it also is just communication and

1341
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 2: you know, the cohesion and just being smart offensive lineman.

1342
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that was my point. More to Patty's

1343
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 3: point about their lines not necessarily being you know, up

1344
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: and down or whatever. He said during the dynasty, is

1345
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 3: that you know they were so buttoned up as a

1346
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 3: group that the Tom Ashwurst and the Joe and Drewsy's

1347
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 3: and the Dan Connelly's, like they could survive with players

1348
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 3: like that because probably because of Brady a lot of it,

1349
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 3: and because of Dante, like that was a lot of

1350
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 3: it too. And you know, both those guys come back

1351
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 3: because one's going into the Patriots Hall of Fame, the

1352
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 3: others are ringing the bell in week one and they're

1353
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 3: neither one of them are walking through the door.

1354
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 9: And I always like during those dynasty, like I always

1355
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 9: felt like there were games in September where they would

1356
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 9: be like they're off. I remember, I think, what did

1357
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 9: they lose to the Jags here maybe one year.

1358
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 5: The game in Kansas City when the dynasty ended, and

1359
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 5: was like.

1360
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: De yeah, in the Miami game that you're right, week one, Miami,

1361
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,120
Speaker 3: that's revis this year, right, yeah? And they lost and

1362
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 3: Jordan dev was like a really surprised starter. Like no

1363
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 3: one that was covering the team at that time, if

1364
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 3: I remember correctly thought that that Debbie was gonna gonna

1365
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 3: be starting. But I've thought it way too much about

1366
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 3: the whole alert system with the quarterback and how much

1367
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 3: that is really is there anybody else on planet Earth

1368
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: besides Tom Brady that can do it at a high level.

1369
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 3: And when you start to think about, all right, if

1370
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 3: you're gonna draft Drake May, if you're gonna draft George

1371
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels, like you really think that one of those

1372
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: quarterbacks is gonna come in here and be a field

1373
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: general and start directing mike points and slide protections.

1374
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 5: According to the Twitter machine.

1375
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: Uh, you know that that's a real concern to me

1376
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 3: because you start to talk about like bogging guys down

1377
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 3: mentally and affecting them where now all of a sudden,

1378
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 3: they're thinking so much because.

1379
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:17,439
Speaker 2: They all in the snap comes with half a second left.

1380
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I I just I don't know, you know,

1381
00:59:20,680 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: Zappi in this game, when you see guys running through

1382
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: unblocked and things like that and their eyes, that's the quarterback.

1383
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,800
Speaker 3: The quarterback didn't set the protection properly. And I just

1384
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 3: wonder true too with with this group like you have

1385
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 3: David Andrews, he's a captain in the veteran center that's

1386
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 3: been doing it for a decade, Like why is why

1387
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 3: is the second year quarterback calling the mic points instead

1388
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 3: of the center that's probably your most experienced player in

1389
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: the building. It just I just feel like none of

1390
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:51,560
Speaker 3: that makes any sense. And uh, they're they're one of

1391
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 3: a few teams that put this much on the quarterback.

1392
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: I just think identifying the mic is overrated. Don't you

1393
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,920
Speaker 2: think it's like, you know, is it a kind of

1394
00:59:58,960 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 2: a guess?

1395
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 5: No, I don't know. I don't think it's over right, Like, okay,

1396
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 5: so that's protection.

1397
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 2: Great, here's your middle linebacker.

1398
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: Okay, No, it's not the middle linebacker. It's the midpoint

1399
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 3: of the protection. Okay, so what Okay? So, like when

1400
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: Zappi got sacked by the corner blitz in the game

1401
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 3: on Sunday, he set the mic point incorrectly. He set

1402
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 3: the mic point strong side when he should have sent

1403
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 3: it backside. And because he sent it strong side and

1404
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 3: said the backside, nobody was there to pay.

1405
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: But if if I'm opposing defense, as soon as I

1406
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: hear the quarterback identify me as the midpoint, we know

1407
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: what to do. We're gonna screw that up.

1408
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that simple. No, No, because then

1409
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 3: you're like making split second changes like with like no,

1410
01:00:41,600 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 3: as the balls being snapped.

1411
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. If it's a split second,

1412
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,880
Speaker 2: it's you practice, It's like, if he calls this, we

1413
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: do that. If he calls that, we do this.

1414
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 5: And I've heard now listen, I don't I never played

1415
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 5: at that level, so I don't know how prick it is.

1416
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:57,200
Speaker 5: But I've heard many times. You know, just sows the mic,

1417
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 5: just sw's the mic and then they do switch no, no,

1418
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 5: the mic. You hear it all the time, right as

1419
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 5: they change like that, they reset the protection. But you know,

1420
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 5: you look at different so if you're wrong, you're going

1421
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 5: to be in trouble. Right, So I don't think it's overrated.

1422
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:13,320
Speaker 3: Well, you just look at different systems, like you know,

1423
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 3: the Shanahan Tree for example, like the forty nine Ers.

1424
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 3: The quarterback doesn't call anything, okay, so so if if

1425
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 3: if there's a blitz, well, I mean he is the

1426
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 3: best offensive mine in the game.

1427
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 2: Sorry I was sorry, Oh sorry, okay, he doesn't anything, so.

1428
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,320
Speaker 3: He doesn't call anything, right, and so if the defense

1429
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,520
Speaker 3: sends the blitz off the edge like the Chiefs were doing,

1430
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 3: a bunch on Sunday party has a programmed answer into

1431
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 3: the original play call of how we're going to beat

1432
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 3: this blitz right, so that that's different, whereas here they

1433
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 3: ask it Bailey's appy to identify pre snap that this

1434
01:01:56,640 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 3: corner is gonna blitz where they're or to me that

1435
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 3: like it's a guess.

1436
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: It's it's an educated guess, okay. And and and I

1437
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: think it makes it even harder if you're asking the

1438
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 2: sena to do it. Who's like in the trench and

1439
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 2: to look up and oh.

1440
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 3: That's that's probably why they at the quarterback do it.

1441
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 3: But there's so many offenses now that are going away

1442
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 3: from that. And I I also go back to like

1443
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: Cam who said after they cut him that he had

1444
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 3: never identified a mic point in his life until he

1445
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 3: came to New England.

1446
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: I don't think he knows much about fall. But anyway,

1447
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 2: go ahead, right.

1448
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 5: You're all out of your mind. I really do think

1449
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 5: you're out of your mind. He knew how to he

1450
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 5: knew how to play right. The guy, the guy that's

1451
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 5: the MVP of the league, doesn't know anything.

1452
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 2: About reading because because he was the best athlete on

1453
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 2: the field, that's.

1454
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 5: Why he was that good. But you think he didn't

1455
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 5: know how to read a defense?

1456
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: I don't. Okay, no, not at an NFL.

1457
01:02:49,600 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I go there. But that's besides

1458
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 3: the point. His center would call the protections for him

1459
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 3: in Carolina and all that made let him do he

1460
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 3: just be superman and just go out there and don't

1461
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:04,680
Speaker 3: read a defense. I'm not going that far, but like

1462
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 3: it just allowed him to just worry about being Cam

1463
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,280
Speaker 3: Newton and he won MVP.

1464
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 5: Of the way. We were all wrong. I thought he

1465
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 5: was going to be better than he was two. We

1466
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 5: don't have to we don't have to hold it against him.

1467
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 2: For the rest, I think I think he got by

1468
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: on his athletic ability.

1469
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 5: I think that he was His strength was his ability,

1470
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 5: no question about it. But don't tell me he couldn't

1471
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 5: identify a MIC.

1472
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 2: He couldn't do here.

1473
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that was the problem. They had nothing to

1474
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 5: do with the fact.

1475
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,919
Speaker 2: They changed all the terms he was after two weeks.

1476
01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 5: To be fair, the problem in twenty twenty was that

1477
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,760
Speaker 5: he never knew what he was supposed to do, not

1478
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 5: that he couldn't do it. It was that he didn't

1479
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 5: know what he was supposed to be part of it.

1480
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 5: That's the defense.

1481
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 3: That's what he said when he did that big thing

1482
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 3: with his father after he was cut by the page all.

1483
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 5: About the whole that they changed the offense. When I

1484
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 5: was he did say that that's right about that, not.

1485
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 3: Not that part I'm talking.

1486
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1487
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 5: He said that this playbook was as sophisticated as anything

1488
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 5: anybody for him, anybody beside him, to give you a

1489
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 5: launchry Tory Holt said the same thing.

1490
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 2: And I've also heard other people say, it's.

1491
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 5: Not that Reggie, Reggie Wayne people they didn't even want

1492
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 5: to do it because it was so hard.

1493
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 3: The only piece said that they can develop at the

1494
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 3: receiver position is guys that used to play quarterback, because

1495
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,640
Speaker 3: it's the only people that can understand what they're doing.

1496
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 5: Like it just every fair Myers, like every.

1497
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 3: Single young player that comes into this system is confused.

1498
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 3: They're like, what the heck am I doing? Pop Douglas,

1499
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 3: Taekwon Thornton, like, none of them know how to run

1500
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 3: routes in this offense. None of them understand it. So

1501
01:04:39,040 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 3: at what point do does calculus? How much is that

1502
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 3: holding them back?

1503
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:43,240
Speaker 12: Like that?

1504
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 3: That's what they have to ask themselves more than anything.

1505
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: It's a random Kim Newton. I love Kim Newton, but

1506
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 2: I don't think he was.

1507
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 5: I don't think that was his strength was like, you know,

1508
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 5: being a film junkie and breaking it all down. But

1509
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 5: just suggest that he didn't know how to.

1510
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 12: Rea defense, not to.

1511
01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 2: The level that's required here.

1512
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think anybody has had that level since radio.

1513
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 5: I don't think anybody mister my superpowers, my brain doesn't

1514
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 5: have that ability.

1515
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:14,880
Speaker 2: We got Mac Jones. We got spoiled, and I think

1516
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 2: the coaching staff got spoiled by having Tom Brady.

1517
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 5: But do you think that Mac Jones has never read

1518
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 5: a defense before? He can't do it at this level?

1519
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't, you know. I think he got spoiled by

1520
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,040
Speaker 2: being at Alabama. You know this is easy? Oh no,

1521
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:29,560
Speaker 2: it isn't.

1522
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 6: I mean I would look to Bill O'Brien, is he

1523
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 6: going to stick around? Are they going to you know, continue?

1524
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 6: And I mean I also just brought up the point

1525
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 6: of like, well, what did Bill O'Brien run in Texas?

1526
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 5: In Houston?

1527
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 4: No?

1528
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 6: Well, you know what did he run in Houston?

1529
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:43,320
Speaker 9: Was this the same with these complication problems in Houston

1530
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 9: with you know Watson and and you know Nuke and

1531
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:46,920
Speaker 9: all those guys down there.

1532
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 3: The Houston system was interesting because like it was a

1533
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 3: modified version because it featured Watson's mobility so much more

1534
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 3: than what they were doing here. But he ran a

1535
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 3: lot of empty in Houston, which he does. You know,

1536
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,920
Speaker 3: Bill Brian's empty packages is a big deal. But he

1537
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 3: he ran a lot of empty in Houston, where like

1538
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 3: Deshaun Watson, if like there was a protection issue, he

1539
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 3: just ran out of it, you know what I mean.

1540
01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 3: And that's what he said, he said, you know, Deshaun

1541
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 3: was so good at being an empty because he's his

1542
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 3: own pass protection. So like, if there's an issue with

1543
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 3: the mic point, he's not a sitting duck in the pocket.

1544
01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 3: He can just run around and make something happen from there.

1545
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 3: And they don't have anybody like that right now.

1546
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:27,560
Speaker 9: I wonder what it was like when Bob came back

1547
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 9: and like what was the repatriots ification of the offense,

1548
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:32,880
Speaker 9: Like was this he sits down with Bill, all right,

1549
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 9: this is what you would run in Alabama.

1550
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 6: This is what you were doing Houston. But we're gonna

1551
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 6: get back to like these things. And again I just

1552
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 6: I do. I can't get out of the back of

1553
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 6: my mind.

1554
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:42,320
Speaker 9: Last offseason when they said we're gonna simplify the offense.

1555
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 9: They seem so gung home want simplifying the offense last offseason?

1556
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 6: Did that go by the wayside?

1557
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 9: Were the things that they implemented excuse me that they

1558
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 9: couldn't keep you know, I just they said those things

1559
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 9: last year.

1560
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: And it's I'm all for simplifying it as long as

1561
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 2: you have good players, because the more simple you get,

1562
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 2: the more you just have to beat the other guy

1563
01:06:59,360 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: across from you.

1564
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 9: That's a that's a fair point. We've got to stay

1565
01:07:02,720 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 9: complicated because we don't have the horses to do it.

1566
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 9: So we've got there has to be some element of yes, yeah,

1567
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 9: it's so it's.

1568
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's it's very frustrating, you know.

1569
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:14,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, they all a lot of work to do. They

1570
01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 5: got they got to rebuild from the studs.

1571
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: Let's go to Kevin in South Carolina. I hate Kevin.

1572
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 2: Kevin big gang.

1573
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 19: How's everybody all right?

1574
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 6: Kevin?

1575
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 5: Why intrigued?

1576
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:33,240
Speaker 19: I got a James Harrison story, Okay, I got James

1577
01:07:33,240 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 19: Harrison is good at football, y'all, y'all allude to him

1578
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 19: to the top. He says, James Harrison's out sugar intimated.

1579
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 19: I agree, Okay, here in South Carolina, food and beverage.

1580
01:07:44,200 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 19: That's the industry, ain't shoes or things that existed in

1581
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 19: you know, Massachusetts. Jamie Harrison came into a.

1582
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 16: What we call a.

1583
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 19: Hostralian tourism we call it a hotel, and there were

1584
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 19: wickers on the bar and he asked for some snickers.

1585
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 19: I know the girl who offered those snickers to him

1586
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 19: that day, Fellers. Yeah, she gave him every bag in

1587
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 19: the house.

1588
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:13,280
Speaker 2: Okay, yes he is. And by the way, we call

1589
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: them hotels up here too.

1590
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:18,000
Speaker 17: I grew up up there.

1591
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 19: I remember that part.

1592
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So so is that it?

1593
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 19: Thanks for Paula.

1594
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: I just blew up the wrong person. Okay, he had

1595
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: a comfort. Whoever was on the other line called back.

1596
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 2: I don't know what that story was about.

1597
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:35,799
Speaker 5: I don't understand.

1598
01:08:37,320 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 2: He wasn't He's an intimidating guy. Yes, so she gave

1599
01:08:40,280 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 2: him every snicker in the house. Okay.

1600
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:49,479
Speaker 5: Next, so the whole you know, we're talking about Bill

1601
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 5: and we were wondering, you know some of the resignation

1602
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 5: in the voice. Is there, like some excuse making starting

1603
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:58,120
Speaker 5: and like the competitive the competitive competitive Okay, So the

1604
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 5: Patriots do have the most score losses seven, and I

1605
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 5: only looked at bad teams, you know, the teams that

1606
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,720
Speaker 5: they're fighting with for draft positions. So Arizona has four,

1607
01:09:08,840 --> 01:09:13,880
Speaker 5: Carolina has five, Tennessee has six. You know, so like

1608
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,839
Speaker 5: these are the bad teams. Chicago has five, the Chargers

1609
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 5: have five. Like, if you're a bad team, chances are

1610
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 5: you've lost a lot of close games because that's the

1611
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 5: way the league is.

1612
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 2: But how many teams have been blown out thirty four

1613
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:27,639
Speaker 2: or nothing?

1614
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 5: And oh all right, I just prepare that.

1615
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:35,080
Speaker 2: But mixed in with these close games are some utter blowouts.

1616
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 5: Right, And my guess is that the bad teams, Like,

1617
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 5: you know, one of the teams that didn't have a

1618
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 5: lot of close losses, I think the Giants only had

1619
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:44,960
Speaker 5: three because they have had you know, like they lost

1620
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 5: twenty four to six the other day. Yeah, you know,

1621
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 5: Washington even has five one score losses out of their games,

1622
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 5: and they haven't really been competitive really since they beat

1623
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 5: the Patriots.

1624
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1625
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,840
Speaker 3: I feel like this is like a bigger picture thing,

1626
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:00,599
Speaker 3: is that we're getting in the power rank eventually.

1627
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 5: Well that was that was part of why I brought

1628
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 5: it up too, the whole power ranking.

1629
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 3: I feel like this is what the league like thinks

1630
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 3: that this is parody, Like they this is like kind

1631
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 3: of what they wanted was it to be, you know,

1632
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 3: less super team oriented and more parody. It's kind of

1633
01:10:15,000 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 3: just made it worse.

1634
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know the one score thing too, Like

1635
01:10:19,120 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 5: there's you know, Bill jokes about it all the time,

1636
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 5: there's no homecoming games. You know, we're not you know,

1637
01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 5: every the worst. I mean, Carolina is the worst team

1638
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,360
Speaker 5: in the league, right, I mean I think everybody would

1639
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 5: sort of agree that they're thirty two. Don't know, not

1640
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 5: only they have the worst record in the league, but

1641
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 5: they stripped a lot of talent away and what little

1642
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 5: they didn't they then sold off at the at the deadline.

1643
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 5: Like so they don't have a lot of talent left.

1644
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 5: And there's still like five one score losses out of

1645
01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:49,560
Speaker 5: their twelve losses. You know, that just speaks like you

1646
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 5: don't play Tennessee Chattanooga on Saturday and wins seventy eight

1647
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 5: to nothing.

1648
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 2: Right, let's go to John of South Beach, who I

1649
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 2: blew up. Sorry about that, John, thanks for calling it.

1650
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 5: That's Johnny south each By, that's his name.

1651
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 2: What's up, John?

1652
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 20: Howdy? And I just want to point out that Johnny

1653
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 20: South Speach's nickname given to me.

1654
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 5: I didn't play it, Yeah no, but but it's it's sticking.

1655
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 5: It's sticking. They don't call you that, but they should.

1656
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 5: As Randy Scott says on ESPN.

1657
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:18,640
Speaker 20: I'm graciously accepting it. So I'm calling in today with

1658
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,639
Speaker 20: a with a take that I had in my own

1659
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 20: mind that I was wrong about.

1660
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 6: Okay, takes a big man to him when he's wrong.

1661
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 18: Absolutely, So I saw Jilanie Tobia getting a bunch of

1662
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 18: snaps a lot earlier this year, and I was kind

1663
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 18: of like, oh man, it's just kind of, you know,

1664
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:39,799
Speaker 18: another middling player who's playing in front of younger guys

1665
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:41,639
Speaker 18: that I'm gonna get a little frustrated watching.

1666
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:43,680
Speaker 20: And I'm and I'm not saying he's like, you know,

1667
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:45,920
Speaker 20: the next coming of Fred Warner or whatever, but I

1668
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:50,559
Speaker 20: think he's kind of, you know, outperformed my expectations personally.

1669
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 20: And then I was kind of really sold on him

1670
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 20: when he called in after the Pittsburgh victory and I

1671
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 20: was like, oh, so he's also just appears to be.

1672
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 5: A really great guy too, So I'd strongly agree with

1673
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:04,519
Speaker 5: the second part. Yeah, yeah, I wouldn't beat yourself up

1674
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 5: too much on the first part. He's a good, solid player.

1675
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:07,200
Speaker 2: I don't.

1676
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 5: I don't think he was blocking anybody young really though,

1677
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 5: unless you want to say, you know, we need to

1678
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,920
Speaker 5: see Mabu. Yeah right, and you know you can make

1679
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 5: an argument for that. But I think Tavai is so

1680
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 5: he's not old. He's sort of one of the younger players,

1681
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 5: and I think he's been fine.

1682
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:27,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's really I think one of the if you

1683
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 3: want to, like there's one thing that Bill can still

1684
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 3: do is like identify a player like Tavai who's not

1685
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 3: a perfect player by any means, and say, like, these

1686
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 3: are the three things that you're really good at, and

1687
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,720
Speaker 3: we're only going to ask him to do these three

1688
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 3: things all the time. And it's he's still.

1689
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 2: Able to do that.

1690
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 3: On defense of like kind of putting guys into positions

1691
01:12:48,200 --> 01:12:50,760
Speaker 3: to succeed, I suppose the way to say it, and Tavai,

1692
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 3: I think is a perfect example of that. Like they

1693
01:12:53,320 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 3: don't ask him to drop off the line twenty yards

1694
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 3: into coverage too often, they don't ask him to do

1695
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 3: things that are really outside of his purview. They really

1696
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 3: understand the player and put him into play a good

1697
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 3: spot That's why.

1698
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 9: I just wonder with this defense in general, you know,

1699
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 9: if things were to change, and I think about it

1700
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 9: with a guy like Dugger, because you know, it's hard

1701
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,800
Speaker 9: to project Dugger being more productive in another defense when

1702
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:15,519
Speaker 9: he's here, He's plays the position.

1703
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 12: They love.

1704
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 9: This is like kind of how they've built their defense

1705
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 9: around this guy. It's hard to like look at another

1706
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 9: defense and see, like, you know, if somewhere else to

1707
01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:24,720
Speaker 9: come in and change the scheme. How does Tavii fit

1708
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:26,760
Speaker 9: into like a base kind of scene. How does you

1709
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:28,719
Speaker 9: know Dugger is just a pure strong safety?

1710
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:29,800
Speaker 6: Would that be better for him?

1711
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:30,120
Speaker 12: Maybe?

1712
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1713
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:32,559
Speaker 6: It's just it's hard to kind of parse out.

1714
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 3: Thanks John, and a lot of teams like nowadays don't

1715
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 3: even play free and strong safety. They just play left

1716
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:40,200
Speaker 3: and right, and so in that system, like he's going

1717
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 3: to have to play a lot more deep, yeah, because

1718
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 3: like you're just rotating and you're and you're kind of

1719
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:45,640
Speaker 3: just staying a little bit.

1720
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:47,639
Speaker 6: I mean, he might be a lot more linebacker than

1721
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:49,599
Speaker 6: you know what I mean, samal Adams.

1722
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see Matt Framiham simple question of all the

1723
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 2: bad low moments of the season, in your opinion, what

1724
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:00,400
Speaker 2: was the moment that it registered that this season going

1725
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 2: down the drain?

1726
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,600
Speaker 6: But when did you know that shut up by the

1727
01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 6: Saints at home?

1728
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I look, I didn't have any grand expectations,

1729
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 9: but I think when I got shut up by the

1730
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:11,160
Speaker 9: Saints at home, I thought this is gonna be worse

1731
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 9: than we thought.

1732
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 2: It probably could have been that for me.

1733
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 5: I would agree with Mike that that was the end.

1734
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 5: End the performance in Dallas.

1735
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I told me that I was gonna say Dallas too.

1736
01:14:21,240 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 5: That any any hope was gone for me that day.

1737
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 5: But it ended. I agree with Mike, especially that one tier.

1738
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:30,320
Speaker 5: You can't respond from that performance against.

1739
01:14:30,040 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 9: This team at home those two weeks right when you're

1740
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 9: supposed to be kind of hitting on your stride maybe,

1741
01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 9: but you're starting to figure out who you are a

1742
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 9: little bit.

1743
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 6: And that was.

1744
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Dallas game just does does injuries, you know,

1745
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:43,839
Speaker 3: losing Judon and Gonzalez in the same game.

1746
01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 5: I was like, well, I don't know, I didn't even

1747
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:45,760
Speaker 5: think of that.

1748
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 3: Like even besides the fact the scoreboard was a blowout,

1749
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 3: Like I don't even get out of it.

1750
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 5: It was like the way they played, like they just played,

1751
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 5: they got they just got Dom that was like one

1752
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 5: of the teams that you thought was one of the

1753
01:14:58,640 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 5: better teams, and you saw the difference. That's why I

1754
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 5: said to myself, WHOA, yeah, this is gonna.

1755
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: Be Travis and West Virginia. Do any of you have

1756
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 2: a hard time quantifying which failures are truly Bill Belichick's

1757
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 2: fault in which are not. I have a hard time

1758
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 2: with this because I don't think it's black and white.

1759
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 2: I understand the blame falls and the guy at the top,

1760
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:21,080
Speaker 2: but sometimes the players do the opposite of what they're taught.

1761
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,960
Speaker 2: As a point of reference, if you go to McDonald's

1762
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 2: and your fries are cold, who do you blame? Ray

1763
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:30,439
Speaker 2: Kroc regional manager, Cheff supervisor or dumb fry boy who

1764
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: didn't follow proper protocol?

1765
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 5: Close to this, not even close.

1766
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 4: And I think for this one identifying what's Bill's fault,

1767
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 4: definitely Mac Jones. Like that's one person that you can

1768
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 4: say is his fault. Like, of course, like in that

1769
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:48,240
Speaker 4: McDonald's reference, the chef put the fries into the thing

1770
01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,680
Speaker 4: and cooked them. But like like Mac is doing his

1771
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 4: hard work, so he's putting the fries in the thing,

1772
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 4: but he's also not executing correctly. So it's like in

1773
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:58,679
Speaker 4: that same breath, it's like you need to make fresh

1774
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:01,160
Speaker 4: fries because those fries have been sitting there all morning.

1775
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:03,760
Speaker 3: If we're going to use this analogy, like to me,

1776
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:08,720
Speaker 3: it's actually it's actually the opposite, right, is that if

1777
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 3: you're blaming the fry cook, you're blaming the wrong person.

1778
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 3: Like with the Patriots, it feels like the reason why

1779
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:18,519
Speaker 3: the fry cook is failing is because his equipment stinks, right,

1780
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,840
Speaker 3: and the owner of the McDonald's is cheaping out on

1781
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 3: the on the air fryer, and so like the equipment staks.

1782
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:25,600
Speaker 6: He doesn't even know how to cook fries. He was

1783
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 6: on shakes, he does shakes. You can't put a shake.

1784
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:28,559
Speaker 12: Guy on fries.

1785
01:16:32,160 --> 01:16:34,000
Speaker 5: It's always like this, it's the front.

1786
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: If it's always like that, I blame the reason supervised.

1787
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,760
Speaker 2: But if it's if it's just that day, I blame

1788
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 2: the shift supervised.

1789
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 12: Right.

1790
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 3: But it's always like that one.

1791
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,560
Speaker 4: But I think also with that analogy, like if you

1792
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 4: get a complaint of like cold fries once, it's like

1793
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 4: you wouldn't let the fries be cold for the whole.

1794
01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 5: Month, right, that's another good point.

1795
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 6: I mean, this is a complicated question.

1796
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 5: And you know, and I love this analogy though, Yeah,

1797
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 5: I like that. The premise of the question, I think

1798
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 5: is you and I want to stand that.

1799
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,360
Speaker 6: But I just you know, there's certain specifics that I

1800
01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 6: would love to know.

1801
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 9: And I say this as look, he's the guy, he's

1802
01:17:06,920 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 9: making the decisions, but you know, i'd really love to

1803
01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 9: know the draft process of who, you know, how this

1804
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 9: whole dynamic has worked over the last few years, you know,

1805
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 9: who was kind of setting the table with some of

1806
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 9: the guys that they've selected. I mean, it's just as

1807
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,320
Speaker 9: much as I blame the drafts on Bill, I also

1808
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:22,719
Speaker 9: am just like, did Bill really want Taekwon Thornton? Because

1809
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 9: he doesn't seem like a Bill guy in any sense

1810
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 9: of the word to me, you know, and the cold,

1811
01:17:26,320 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 9: strange like and maybe he was the guy saying we

1812
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 9: need a guard.

1813
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 6: We're taking a guard. I don't care what you say.

1814
01:17:31,320 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 6: But but the thing that I can't get away from

1815
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 6: him is just the.

1816
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 9: Coach, the stupid bad coach football that has been played

1817
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,880
Speaker 9: that that's the biggest departure for me, which it comes

1818
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:42,599
Speaker 9: right down to what's on the field and what's been

1819
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,920
Speaker 9: said as his strength it's a team that has done

1820
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 9: stupid things for too long and shot themselves in the foot,

1821
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 9: and that's a bad coach team, and that I think

1822
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 9: is the biggest indictment of everything.

1823
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 3: Well, Mike, if you want fast guys, you got a

1824
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 3: draft fast guy.

1825
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 5: Maybe it was him, give you one of those off air.

1826
01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:59,680
Speaker 3: I just feel like with the with the drafting, I

1827
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 3: truly believe that Bill comes in and says like, this

1828
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 3: is what I need, what I feel like I need

1829
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 3: for this football team to succeed. I need a guard,

1830
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,519
Speaker 3: I need an next receiver. I need this. And I

1831
01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 3: think that Macro does have some leeway. Then stack the board.

1832
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 3: Now who Bill then takes off of his top five?

1833
01:18:19,240 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 3: I think is still more of a billy.

1834
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 5: I think whole strange reeks of a Bill pick ye

1835
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 5: to me, Yeah, I kind of agree with you. I

1836
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:26,960
Speaker 5: agree with you.

1837
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 8: Go back to the Rams laughing like how high he

1838
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 8: was picked.

1839
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 4: I still stand by they were laughing at how high

1840
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:37,080
Speaker 4: he was picked, and not just laughing at something else.

1841
01:18:37,680 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think it was a combination. But I

1842
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,680
Speaker 5: think they were making fun of themselves too, because I

1843
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 5: think they liked that player and were planning on taking

1844
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 5: him in like in the fourth round. That makes sense,

1845
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:48,400
Speaker 5: And I think they were kind of laughing at themselves

1846
01:18:48,479 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 5: for a second. We're scouting this game, we thought we

1847
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:52,920
Speaker 5: were going to get a guy in the fourth round

1848
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,360
Speaker 5: that just went in the first round. I agree with you, Now,

1849
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 5: I do think this part of that was as a

1850
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 5: first round. They were also both of them were also

1851
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 5: drunk at the time.

1852
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 3: Oh and then they and then they The best part

1853
01:19:04,280 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 3: was is that they actually tried to walk it back

1854
01:19:06,040 --> 01:19:07,760
Speaker 3: and they were like, but when you turn on the film,

1855
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 3: he looks like a first round.

1856
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1857
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:10,559
Speaker 3: Sure, sure.

1858
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 5: The other part that I would like to know, and

1859
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 5: you know, to the guy's question, like how much of

1860
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 5: this is on Bill, is I'd like to know the

1861
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:22,479
Speaker 5: origin of the destruction of the relationship between Mac and Bill,

1862
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 5: because there's no question that when he was in the

1863
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 5: off season heading into year two, Bill was saying some

1864
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 5: nice things about Mac, and quickly by the time we

1865
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 5: got to training camp and into the season, that was gone.

1866
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 5: So was that because Mac was petulant about Matt Patricia

1867
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 5: and Bill got defensive of his boys, or was that

1868
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 5: because Bill stopped believing in Mac, didn't like what he

1869
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,720
Speaker 5: saw and lost faith in Matt like, I'd like to

1870
01:19:53,800 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 5: know what the origin of that deterioration.

1871
01:19:55,960 --> 01:19:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the origin is McDaniels leaving in Max

1872
01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 2: starting to question everything.

1873
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, but is it was it Max's fault or was

1874
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:04,880
Speaker 5: it Bill's fault? Oh?

1875
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 2: I don't know, probably, but I just don't think Bill's

1876
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,040
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. It's not for you to question your

1877
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,760
Speaker 2: second year player. Just do what you're being told, right.

1878
01:20:12,640 --> 01:20:14,600
Speaker 5: But I'm just wondering whose fault it was that that

1879
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 5: relationship to Terryory. I also just like, like, was it

1880
01:20:17,439 --> 01:20:18,960
Speaker 5: because Bill put Patricia in?

1881
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:19,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1882
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,360
Speaker 2: Well I think that's part of it. Yeah, yeah.

1883
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 3: And I just think that I think I can't do

1884
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:27,800
Speaker 3: it that way. What's that Today's athlete for better or worse?

1885
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:28,519
Speaker 5: You can't.

1886
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 3: You can't do it that way where you say, like

1887
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 3: you just do what you what you're told, because to them,

1888
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 3: it's like, this is my career, right, Like I'm just

1889
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 3: explaining their side of it, like, this is my career.

1890
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 3: You're like, now, Max Jones was on the track of

1891
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 3: being like a ten year starting quarterback in the NFL

1892
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,560
Speaker 3: coming out of the draft to now maybe catching on

1893
01:20:48,680 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 3: as a backup someplace else next year or something like that.

1894
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,680
Speaker 3: So not only does he mess with like his you

1895
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 3: know better for lack of a better word, legacy in

1896
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,000
Speaker 3: his career, he's also messing with his money because you know,

1897
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:00,599
Speaker 3: now he's not going to get paid like a starting

1898
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 3: quarterback either. And I think a lot of these guys,

1899
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 3: whether it's Caleb Williams, like, if they draft Caleb Williams

1900
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 3: and they try to saddle him with a defensive coordinator

1901
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:12,280
Speaker 3: as his offensive course, it's going to be it's gonna

1902
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 3: be the same exact thing.

1903
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 9: It's It's just hard for me though, because it's it's

1904
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 9: if he really didn't like Mac that much, why didn't

1905
01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 9: he get another option? And you know they obviously weren't

1906
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 9: that high on Zappy, And you know, it's just it

1907
01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 9: seems like he had his reservations about Mac, but he

1908
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 9: still was trying to push the buttons.

1909
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 5: I'm leaving the door open for the possibility that not

1910
01:21:32,200 --> 01:21:35,120
Speaker 5: all of this was Bill's fault, and that I.

1911
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 6: Mean part about the stuff like going outside to consult

1912
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 6: with that part of it.

1913
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 4: I don't think it's Bill's fault, but I think if

1914
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 4: I had my reservations about Mac, I would get him

1915
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:46,840
Speaker 4: things to help him like if I if I think,

1916
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,679
Speaker 4: if I thought mac Jones wasn't that good, I would

1917
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:51,799
Speaker 4: have gotten him some help versus gotting.

1918
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure, I'm sure mac Jones wasn't the first

1919
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,439
Speaker 2: quarter young quarterback to question things. It's up to Bill

1920
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:01,760
Speaker 2: to get him back, to get salvage that, to get

1921
01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 2: him right, you know, to you know, that's part of

1922
01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: the job of a head coach.

1923
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 3: I think the other thing too, And with this team,

1924
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:14,800
Speaker 3: you never actually know what where the spending like thing

1925
01:22:14,960 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 3: is coming from. Like you know, is that ownership or

1926
01:22:17,439 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 3: is that is that Bill wanted to run the team

1927
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,559
Speaker 3: this way I think of it. And if you look

1928
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 3: at it, you know you can't be a team that

1929
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 3: drafts poorly and doesn't aggressively spend. You got to do

1930
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 3: one of the two, because if you do neither, then

1931
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 3: you stay here.

1932
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 2: We are right.

1933
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 5: This is what happens.

1934
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 2: You're looking at a draft pick. Let's go to Eldred

1935
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 2: in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

1936
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 5: Maybe?

1937
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:45,280
Speaker 2: Aldred?

1938
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 10: Hey, all right, hello, I.

1939
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:55,479
Speaker 16: Disagree. Heard you earlier a couple years ago. I did

1940
01:22:55,560 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 16: the same thing. Trade Cooney and Mason. There was your

1941
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 16: core right there on your line. I don't think you

1942
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 16: had to work, worry about why the wide receiver and

1943
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 16: get another quarterback. But once you got rid of those guys,

1944
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 16: you know, Lionepel make Jones looking like a sar.

1945
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:14,960
Speaker 5: So which part do you disagree with?

1946
01:23:16,360 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 2: I hated.

1947
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 5: I hated the decision to trade Shack Mason for nothing.

1948
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:21,799
Speaker 5: I would have kept Shack Mason.

1949
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 16: But see they kept him, they paid him, but then

1950
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,519
Speaker 16: they they traded him. Proved me off. No, I agree,

1951
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 16: and that didn't make no sense at all.

1952
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 5: You gotta decide you got to keep some of them.

1953
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 5: They let all three of them go. I don't agree

1954
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:36,560
Speaker 5: with that at all. Character Yeah, yeah, I would have

1955
01:23:36,680 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 5: kept two of those three, and you're all right, then

1956
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 5: you don't have to take cold strange Toavn's point, and

1957
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 5: you can fill another need in the first round.

1958
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 2: That that was the first round.

1959
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 16: Get a tackle, but one or two, but uh, get

1960
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 16: a tackle. But I wouldn't get in the first round though,

1961
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 16: I still would have guy od L So he was

1962
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 16: sitting there.

1963
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 6: He was not sitting Lloyd is he playing well, I've

1964
01:23:58,280 --> 01:23:59,400
Speaker 6: lost track of him at this point.

1965
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 5: It's on Jacksonville, definitely, it's on jackson.

1966
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 6: He was he was seven a lot of tackles, but

1967
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 6: he's not sure that.

1968
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:07,400
Speaker 3: Well, Chris Alvey went like ten picks before the Patriots

1969
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 3: original pick.

1970
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: But that's that's he did.

1971
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 5: He did, he did, He didn't whoa, whoa, he only

1972
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 5: Chris Olive. Chris, go look it up, buddy, look it up.

1973
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,200
Speaker 5: The Saints traded up in the draft to draft him, Eldred,

1974
01:24:23,479 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 5: They traded up to like twelve or something like that

1975
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 5: to draft Chris Olave.

1976
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,920
Speaker 3: I I'm just.

1977
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 5: Telling you he went. He went eleventh. Yeah, yeah, Chris

1978
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 5: olave went eleventh in the twenty twenty two draft.

1979
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. The Patriots original pick I think was twenty three

1980
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 3: is a Trent McDuffie pick.

1981
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 5: Ironically, like three now that one Trent McDuffie was on

1982
01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:46,559
Speaker 5: the board.

1983
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 3: Now now Christian Watson is a fair one. I think

1984
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 3: we're finding out why nobody wanted George Pickens. Like George

1985
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 3: George Pickens, Oh, I would really talented player, but my goodness,

1986
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 3: George Pickens come.

1987
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,240
Speaker 5: Back to us, Like I don't blame him at all.

1988
01:25:01,800 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 3: His effort like not that this is you know, Steelers unfiltered,

1989
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,559
Speaker 3: but like George Pickens's effort is is terrible, like horrible.

1990
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't blame him fight someone much like if

1991
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 5: I was, I would have been fighting people on the side.

1992
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 3: But you blame Trent Brown like it's the same thing,

1993
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 3: Like their effort is terrible, Like no matter what you

1994
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 3: say that, Like George Pickens, I.

1995
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,880
Speaker 5: Don't think Trent Brown's very good, but he's a run.

1996
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 5: He has no effort and ability. Whereas George Pickens, I

1997
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 5: think can shows you that if he was engaged, he'd

1998
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 5: be fine.

1999
01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 2: No, I think I think it's the opposite. If Trent

2000
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 2: Brown was engaged, he'd be great.

2001
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, except for six other teams would disagree with you because.

2002
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 2: He just wouldn't engage. It's not ability for him. Uh,

2003
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:46,679
Speaker 2: Kareem's in Boston. What's up? Kareem?

2004
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 21: Hey, guys, how's it going today?

2005
01:25:50,479 --> 01:25:52,439
Speaker 2: All right, couple a couple.

2006
01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,240
Speaker 21: I'm thinking this team needs some blue chip players. But

2007
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 21: I don't like to call him blue chip. I call

2008
01:25:59,080 --> 01:26:02,080
Speaker 21: him red chips. So if you guys could just let

2009
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,800
Speaker 21: me know a couple of red ship players you guys

2010
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:08,439
Speaker 21: have identified early, and should we build through the line

2011
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 21: like we didn't do mac Jones or should we kind

2012
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,200
Speaker 21: of get some wessies.

2013
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 2: Can I ask you why you call them red ships

2014
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,160
Speaker 2: out set of blue chips.

2015
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 21: Hey, I don't want to get political.

2016
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,720
Speaker 2: That why okay, all right, So all right, are the

2017
01:26:24,760 --> 01:26:27,160
Speaker 2: blue chip players that we identified probably.

2018
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 3: Just blue chip players and red ship players are two

2019
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 3: different things. So you're you're you can't just name it

2020
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,600
Speaker 3: a red ship player. It doesn't work like that.

2021
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:35,320
Speaker 2: Okay.

2022
01:26:35,520 --> 01:26:38,880
Speaker 3: Blue Chip players are like elite elite guys. Red chip

2023
01:26:38,920 --> 01:26:41,880
Speaker 3: players are like above average starters. Okay, yeah, so that

2024
01:26:41,960 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 3: there's a hierarchy.

2025
01:26:43,000 --> 01:26:44,680
Speaker 5: I have to be honest, I never heard the term

2026
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:45,960
Speaker 5: red chip player.

2027
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a higher I mean, like every every team,

2028
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure uses different terminology. The Patriots, US Colors, they do.

2029
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:53,360
Speaker 2: Okay.

2030
01:26:53,479 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 3: Bill tried to explain it one time. It's it's a

2031
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:56,000
Speaker 3: whole time.

2032
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,599
Speaker 2: Okay, So what's he really asking?

2033
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 3: What he's blue chip players are least I know.

2034
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 2: But he's asking this I called blue chip red ships.

2035
01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 2: So is he asking for our for blue chack?

2036
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:12,799
Speaker 6: He's asking for Marvin ha Caleb Williams in the usual

2037
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:13,320
Speaker 6: top five?

2038
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 2: Who are some blue chip players we identified that turned

2039
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 2: out to be blue chip players? Is that what he's asking?

2040
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 6: Oh, he's asking in the past.

2041
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,800
Speaker 3: No, I think he's asking for like this dress off season.

2042
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 2: Well, I haven't really got into it that much. Now

2043
01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:28,479
Speaker 2: how much time I'm just talking about twenty twenty three.

2044
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:32,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was from Boston and he's he's a red

2045
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 5: steak guy. Huh, dude, they'll kick you off.

2046
01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 6: He's a freedom fri.

2047
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:41,400
Speaker 2: Let's see John in South Carolina. So the top ten

2048
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 2: ball catchers in Brady's time are by receptions.

2049
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,000
Speaker 3: Ball catchers by receptions.

2050
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:51,760
Speaker 2: Are Welker, Edelman, Brown, Gronk, Fock, White, Branch, Moss, and

2051
01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 2: Mondola and Watson. Branch could be misleading. Not sure how

2052
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 2: much was before Brady. Do you guys think none of

2053
01:27:59,080 --> 01:28:01,280
Speaker 2: that was before breaking? Do you guys think they are

2054
01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 2: all super smart players or was there always a super

2055
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 2: smart player along with some good talent like having a

2056
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:09,479
Speaker 2: Welcer with a Gronk or a Branch with a Watson.

2057
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 2: Could it not work without both types?

2058
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,240
Speaker 5: A lot of those guys were super smart.

2059
01:28:14,439 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 3: Like Gronk was just Gronk. Yeah, and he admits it,

2060
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 3: like he was like I never watched film. Brady just

2061
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 3: told me where to go and I did it. And

2062
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 3: Randy Moss is considered one of the smartest football guys

2063
01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 3: that high football really underrated guy in that respect.

2064
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:32,000
Speaker 2: How was Matt Castle successful? He never seemed like he

2065
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:33,240
Speaker 2: was overly pright.

2066
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 3: To me, Well, he was in the greatest offense in

2067
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:37,000
Speaker 3: the history of the NFL.

2068
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 5: Right and was kind of marginally successful. I mean, let's

2069
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 5: call it what it was. He did a good job

2070
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,400
Speaker 5: filling in, all right.

2071
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:47,080
Speaker 2: So I want to get into this power ranking because

2072
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:49,600
Speaker 2: I want to hear what people think in terms of,

2073
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,680
Speaker 2: you know, who are the best teams right at this

2074
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,479
Speaker 2: moment now, in the true spirit of power ranking, in

2075
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:59,840
Speaker 2: my definition of it, it's who's playing the best right now?

2076
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 2: Who's the best team?

2077
01:29:01,360 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 16: Right?

2078
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,479
Speaker 3: San Francisco, Well, you didn't even let them tee it up?

2079
01:29:04,680 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 6: Come on, is anybody going to.

2080
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 5: So you're just going off of who's playing the best right?

2081
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 2: This is the best right now?

2082
01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:15,439
Speaker 5: No, I think we'll all agree with one. Does anybody

2083
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 5: have any disagree with San Francisco?

2084
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,719
Speaker 2: I think, if not one, a close two with the Ravens.

2085
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:22,439
Speaker 5: Yep, I agree that. I wouldn't have anybody anywhere near

2086
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:24,920
Speaker 5: the way San Francisco, I say Ravens or second though.

2087
01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 3: If we're going off of how they're playing right now,

2088
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:30,120
Speaker 3: right and now, like what we think will happen in

2089
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 3: the playoffs or whatever. I'd say San Francisco.

2090
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would say San Francisco. But if it's just

2091
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 5: like a snapshot of today, now I have I have

2092
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:39,080
Speaker 5: all kinds of options for two.

2093
01:29:39,240 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 3: Well, I'm you know how I feel about the quarterback

2094
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 3: in San Francisco. So my whole thing is is that

2095
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 3: when he gets into a game against an MVP caliber quarterback,

2096
01:29:47,320 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 3: not a fake MVP caliber, it's going to.

2097
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: Be your epitheph. You know, you know you're going to

2098
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:52,519
Speaker 2: go down swinging with it.

2099
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 5: But I really really a good quarterback. But I like

2100
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 5: strength of conviction.

2101
01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 16: I do.

2102
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:00,439
Speaker 5: I it's not I make fun of Jim Murray all

2103
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 5: the time when I go on my shows and I

2104
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 5: go with Jim, like Jim Murray is hilarious. Like Jake

2105
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 5: Browning right now, I'm sure he wants to build a

2106
01:30:07,920 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 5: statue of because he's he's won a couple of games somehow,

2107
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:14,639
Speaker 5: by the way, he's played four games, and everybody says

2108
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,680
Speaker 5: he's three and oh was a starter. They ignore the

2109
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 5: game he lost somehow. I don't know. But he's a

2110
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:22,720
Speaker 5: flavor of the month guy, Jim, and he wears it

2111
01:30:22,760 --> 01:30:25,719
Speaker 5: as a badge. Money laughs at himself. He makes Evans

2112
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 5: the opposite, Like I could see brock Purdy winning like

2113
01:30:29,080 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 5: back to back m vps and I'm still saying.

2114
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,759
Speaker 2: See it. But see, you don't like rock Purty because

2115
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 2: he he hurts the whole idea of scouting because no

2116
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 2: one had him as a no, no no.

2117
01:30:43,240 --> 01:30:46,880
Speaker 3: It just to let you know, like the forty nine

2118
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,320
Speaker 3: ers also picked him in the seventh round, so if

2119
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 3: they if their scouting department was so, they were wrong too.

2120
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 8: But the biggest thing that know, he literally has everything

2121
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:58,400
Speaker 8: you could want.

2122
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 2: They'll have to play well for everything.

2123
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:01,439
Speaker 3: Don't even try.

2124
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 5: Nick Mullins had everything you wanted to that's terrible.

2125
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 3: Brock Party is a better quarter but that's not the argument,

2126
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,120
Speaker 3: and you know it. Like in Brock Party, my concern

2127
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:11,960
Speaker 3: with the forty nine ers is that if they get

2128
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,240
Speaker 3: into a game with an elite quarterback on the other side,

2129
01:31:15,560 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 3: is he going to be able to go toe to

2130
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:19,679
Speaker 3: toe Because they were in that game in the Super

2131
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,000
Speaker 3: Bowl with Jimmy g and he couldn't make the throws

2132
01:31:22,040 --> 01:31:23,640
Speaker 3: in the end of the game to win the game. Right,

2133
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,600
Speaker 3: So if brock Perty is truly what you think he

2134
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,439
Speaker 3: is and he's different than those types of guys, then

2135
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:29,360
Speaker 3: they'll win the Super Bowl.

2136
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 4: If he's experience, I think he has more experienced now.

2137
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,080
Speaker 4: I think it'd be a difference.

2138
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:36,639
Speaker 2: Under pressure is what you're saying, just of the moment,

2139
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 2: when you know.

2140
01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:41,000
Speaker 3: I thought Devin mccordy had a great tweet last night

2141
01:31:41,280 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 3: about that game last night with the Eagles and the Seahawks,

2142
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 3: and he said, in the two minute when the game

2143
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 3: is on the line, at the end of the day,

2144
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 3: it becomes our eleven against your eleven. It's man on man,

2145
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 3: like your guys versus our guys, and you can talk

2146
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,479
Speaker 3: about all the scheme stuff and all the things that

2147
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:57,760
Speaker 3: you want. When there's two minutes to go in a

2148
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,799
Speaker 3: playoff game and it's Brock Party, he needs a touchdown

2149
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 3: to win the game? Is he going to make the

2150
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:03,240
Speaker 3: drive happen?

2151
01:32:03,360 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 2: Okay?

2152
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,080
Speaker 5: And I still have doubts about that, Okay, okay, but

2153
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 5: we all agree that we really have today today. San

2154
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 5: Francisco is number one.

2155
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:12,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, But also it's not just on Rock

2156
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 4: Party like he has Deebo, Samuel and just a really

2157
01:32:15,479 --> 01:32:16,800
Speaker 4: great guys around him.

2158
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 8: So I think ultimately they could get it done.

2159
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,559
Speaker 4: I think they's more experience now than he did obviously

2160
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 4: when he's thrust out.

2161
01:32:22,560 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 3: I mean this year they're they're in a good spot

2162
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:26,479
Speaker 3: because he got hurt.

2163
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:28,080
Speaker 5: Last year it failed.

2164
01:32:28,320 --> 01:32:30,280
Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying they're in a good spot because

2165
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:33,720
Speaker 3: I don't some of the elite quarterbacks are either, you know,

2166
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs are not what they have

2167
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 3: been in the last couple of years. Joe burrow Is

2168
01:32:38,080 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 3: is not going to be in the playoffs, like, I

2169
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:40,880
Speaker 3: don't know if he's good.

2170
01:32:40,920 --> 01:32:44,599
Speaker 5: You know, he'll get tested though, they'll they'll your scenario,

2171
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 5: will I hope?

2172
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 4: So?

2173
01:32:47,479 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 5: I think could no somebody like no one ever just

2174
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:52,720
Speaker 5: blows doors and you know, all the way to the

2175
01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,519
Speaker 5: playoffs and never gets tested. They'll they'll get a test,

2176
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 5: and all.

2177
01:32:56,040 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 2: Right, forty nine is one. I say Ravens too, who

2178
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:00,439
Speaker 2: who disagrees agree with you?

2179
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:02,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going on the season and I'm going to

2180
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 5: say Ravens too. But if he's saying right now today,

2181
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 5: I'd say Buffalo, but I'll go I'll go Ravens too.

2182
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 2: Okay, Now you can make the case for Buffalo absolutely

2183
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,719
Speaker 2: because of the way they played.

2184
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:15,400
Speaker 5: That I think you've got to do it more than

2185
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:16,120
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks.

2186
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, I feel like Buffalo is like recency bias. I

2187
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:19,600
Speaker 8: feel like they're just.

2188
01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 2: Well, that's what you're going to get. But that's kind

2189
01:33:21,520 --> 01:33:23,519
Speaker 2: of my point with Powering. A lot of it is

2190
01:33:23,600 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 2: recency bias.

2191
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, but I still have to go off

2192
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 5: the season like I can't put Carolina like no, I know,

2193
01:33:30,360 --> 01:33:32,479
Speaker 5: you know fifteen because they won Sunday.

2194
01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:34,679
Speaker 3: But Buffalo is one of those teams that we talked

2195
01:33:34,720 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 3: about it in the pick show on Thursday that if

2196
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 3: they get hot and they're playing like they're capable of playing,

2197
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 3: they're going to blow a team out like they did against.

2198
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 9: I mean, that's the best remaining duo in AFC. I mean,

2199
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:47,680
Speaker 9: you don't have you know, Lamar doesn't have Mark Andrews brow.

2200
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 5: Put in Buffalo three.

2201
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 2: I am.

2202
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:50,599
Speaker 3: I am not putting.

2203
01:33:50,720 --> 01:33:53,400
Speaker 6: I'm not quite still, but I love, I love, I

2204
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:54,439
Speaker 6: love this whole take by you.

2205
01:33:54,520 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 5: I think it's a go I still need to see more,

2206
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,600
Speaker 5: but I just look at it as like, you know,

2207
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 5: they got the Chargers, they got the Patriots, and then

2208
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 5: you know, I think at the same time, Miami has

2209
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 5: Dallas in Baltimore, so all Miami would have to do

2210
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,479
Speaker 5: is lose one of those two and it sets up

2211
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,880
Speaker 5: a winner take all for the division. I think they'd

2212
01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 5: both be in the playoffs. But a winner take all

2213
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 5: for the division in that last game in Miami, that'd

2214
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 5: be great. That's going to be your Sunday night.

2215
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:20,559
Speaker 2: So who's three?

2216
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,439
Speaker 6: I mean, this is where it gets interesting.

2217
01:34:22,479 --> 01:34:24,200
Speaker 9: I think, like this is every team after this I

2218
01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 9: feel like has some kind of flaw or some kind

2219
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 9: of reason why you would say.

2220
01:34:27,680 --> 01:34:30,919
Speaker 8: I don't think you could probably put what Cowboys Eagles.

2221
01:34:31,479 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 3: I would put Dallas.

2222
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 5: I would put Dallas three. That's this is my you.

2223
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:36,200
Speaker 2: You put Dallas three.

2224
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 3: I put Dallas three as well.

2225
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 2: But I think, to Dallas, what do you say?

2226
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:41,840
Speaker 10: Dallas?

2227
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 8: I mean, it's it's kind of like a three way tie.

2228
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:45,840
Speaker 2: I say, Buffalo, what do you say?

2229
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:46,719
Speaker 6: I'm gonna say Dallas.

2230
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 2: Okay, So the Cowboys are three.

2231
01:34:48,840 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 3: I think you look at them in Miami as two

2232
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:56,720
Speaker 3: teams that play different at home. If Dallas probably not

2233
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 3: going to be the number one seed now, so they'll

2234
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 3: probably have to at least play the Champion Chip game

2235
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 3: on the road if they make.

2236
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:05,080
Speaker 5: It that far. And that lost, that lost for the

2237
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 5: Eagles last night gives them a chance for the division

2238
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 5: though that they kind of didn't have.

2239
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:10,679
Speaker 2: So Dallas is three, Who's four?

2240
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:13,400
Speaker 5: I would say Kansas City.

2241
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:22,080
Speaker 6: I'd probably I'd go Buffalo here, no to Buffalo, mm hmmm.

2242
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:25,839
Speaker 3: I think that because of all their injuries, the Dolphins

2243
01:35:25,880 --> 01:35:28,559
Speaker 3: probably can't be in this conversation anymore. But I probably

2244
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 3: would have a healthy Dolphins.

2245
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:30,640
Speaker 10: We did.

2246
01:35:31,320 --> 01:35:34,080
Speaker 5: We did that on Sunday for the pregame show. They

2247
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 5: were inactives, came out.

2248
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:36,479
Speaker 2: Yeah there is no.

2249
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:42,679
Speaker 3: And then they blue doors. Right anyways, Uh, I would

2250
01:35:42,800 --> 01:35:45,160
Speaker 3: I would probably put Miami at four. I just think

2251
01:35:45,200 --> 01:35:47,120
Speaker 3: that they're they're a really good team.

2252
01:35:47,439 --> 01:35:50,639
Speaker 6: Okay, chance to prove it too. They can get home field.

2253
01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:54,920
Speaker 5: So my top six were San Francisco, Baltimore, Dallas, Kansas City, Miami, Buffalo.

2254
01:35:55,120 --> 01:35:57,760
Speaker 5: You guys have them in different orders. I don't know, Like,

2255
01:35:58,040 --> 01:36:00,600
Speaker 5: I can't really do you a thing. I can't just

2256
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:03,280
Speaker 5: do today because Carolina is going to be like nine

2257
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:04,120
Speaker 5: if I just do today.

2258
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:08,280
Speaker 2: So two Miami's two, Buffalo's one. Kansas City. Okay, we

2259
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 2: can only vote on my Miami and Buffalo right now.

2260
01:36:11,800 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 2: Of those two bad.

2261
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 6: I'd go Buffalo right now. But it's I mean, if

2262
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:16,120
Speaker 6: depending on where the game is.

2263
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:17,800
Speaker 2: Buffalo can win on the road.

2264
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:19,519
Speaker 6: They can, they just haven't.

2265
01:36:19,560 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 3: I would say, okay, and four they did beat Miami

2266
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 3: in Buffalo, right, I would say Buffalo for now because

2267
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:30,439
Speaker 3: I don't Miami didn't beat them last year, Buffalo, remember correctly.

2268
01:36:30,920 --> 01:36:35,719
Speaker 5: I'm not right down. I'm right in mine going Miami

2269
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:40,719
Speaker 5: a little pole, Yeah, get back up on your San Francisco, Baltimore,

2270
01:36:40,840 --> 01:36:43,360
Speaker 5: Dallas was the top three. Yeah. And then you guys

2271
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 5: have Buffalo four. Yeah, just just win a game.

2272
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:51,000
Speaker 3: Then I don't have Buffalo for you. And then Kansas City,

2273
01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:52,200
Speaker 3: Kansas City, I think.

2274
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 5: Okay, Kansas City or Miami.

2275
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 3: No Eagles, Kansas City.

2276
01:36:55,120 --> 01:36:57,800
Speaker 5: I don't have the Eagles anywhere near this. Okay, you've

2277
01:36:57,840 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 5: watched them lightly all year. Is it Miami or Kansas City? Five?

2278
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 5: Kansas City or Miami Kansas City, Kansas City, Kansas City

2279
01:37:07,240 --> 01:37:12,280
Speaker 5: over Miami. So now six you have Miami, Detroit, Philadelphia.

2280
01:37:12,360 --> 01:37:14,760
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go Philly here. I still think that they

2281
01:37:15,240 --> 01:37:16,719
Speaker 3: respect the talent some metal.

2282
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm going to Detroit. Whoa, yea, i'd go.

2283
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:22,520
Speaker 6: I'm with that an go Philly.

2284
01:37:22,439 --> 01:37:25,240
Speaker 3: Detroit defense is kind of stinky Philly.

2285
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 5: Philly Philly is is six. Yeah, I would Philly would

2286
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:33,800
Speaker 5: be struggling to get in my top ten. Again he

2287
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 5: had He's the one who set the parameters. It's today today.

2288
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:40,920
Speaker 5: They lost three in the Rocks. Like, if we're going

2289
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:43,800
Speaker 5: on the season, if they go on the season, Philadelphia

2290
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 5: is absolutely in this mix. But Fritz said, we're not

2291
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 5: going on the season.

2292
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 2: But they're teetering a little bit.

2293
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 5: We're going on.

2294
01:37:49,080 --> 01:37:52,759
Speaker 3: Today's teetering. I mean, you like they didn't actually fired decide,

2295
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 3: they just like moved him.

2296
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:55,320
Speaker 5: Like that's weird.

2297
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:57,960
Speaker 3: Calling the defense. They're panicking.

2298
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:04,080
Speaker 2: So where are we? Paul seven seven?

2299
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:05,719
Speaker 5: I still have no Miami.

2300
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:06,400
Speaker 6: I'm in Miami.

2301
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:07,040
Speaker 5: No Detroit.

2302
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:08,840
Speaker 6: Okay, Miami here Tyreek gets healthy.

2303
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 2: I put Detroit ahead of Miami.

2304
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,519
Speaker 3: But Tamara shocked by that.

2305
01:38:13,680 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 6: I have to admit, I really like Detroit's offense.

2306
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:21,320
Speaker 8: Until two days ago, years ago, two weeks ago.

2307
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 3: I'm worried about Detroit's defense, and I just I can't

2308
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,400
Speaker 3: trust Jared Goff, Like I just can't do.

2309
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,519
Speaker 9: That's the piece though, I mean, and it's not that different.

2310
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 9: I feel like from San Francisco, where they you know,

2311
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 9: they've been stacking draft picks. They've been putting pieces into place,

2312
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 9: and now you know, if golf doesn't work out, that's going.

2313
01:38:36,320 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 6: To be a desirable location for any quarterback to.

2314
01:38:38,439 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 3: Go to their defense.

2315
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 2: Is still okay? So you put Miami there.

2316
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:43,680
Speaker 5: I put Miami seven Detroit eight because you were the

2317
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:44,679
Speaker 5: only one that said.

2318
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So now now who do we have?

2319
01:38:48,120 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 5: We got?

2320
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:54,000
Speaker 2: We got the Vikings at seven and seven. We've got

2321
01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:56,720
Speaker 2: the Buccaneers at seven and seven. Give me, We've got

2322
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:58,360
Speaker 2: the Rams at seven and seven.

2323
01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 6: One right there, right there to me are.

2324
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 3: The only teams that have a chance.

2325
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,160
Speaker 5: Everybody else is just yeah. I would probably argue that

2326
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 5: you could chop off two of them, but I agree

2327
01:39:08,760 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 5: with them, like I don't think it. Maybe maybe the

2328
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:14,320
Speaker 5: Rams as like one last run with I will say

2329
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:17,160
Speaker 5: that if like San franc and I saw someone on

2330
01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,640
Speaker 5: Twitter said this today, I agreed with it. San Francisco,

2331
01:39:21,040 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 5: out of all of these teams, probably doesn't want to

2332
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 5: see the Rams. San Francisco is way better than the Rams,

2333
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 5: way better, and they usually own them in the regular season,

2334
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 5: but they lost to them in the NFC championship games

2335
01:39:32,040 --> 01:39:34,040
Speaker 5: and when they thought they probably had a better team.

2336
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:38,280
Speaker 5: And I do think the Rams were very competitive. The

2337
01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:42,240
Speaker 5: first time they played San Francisco put it away late, yes,

2338
01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 5: like I remember, and I wouldn't. I wouldn't want to

2339
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:48,639
Speaker 5: play the Rams if they.

2340
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,439
Speaker 3: You never want to play a divisional opponent.

2341
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,640
Speaker 5: Plus, I think that they're you know, there's a you know,

2342
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 5: Cooper cup with with Stafford. I think they get in

2343
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,400
Speaker 5: a little bit of a push from from TV guy

2344
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 5: Karen Williams. I think they're they're coming on a little bit.

2345
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:08,559
Speaker 5: And it's funny what happens when you're starting quarterback doesn't

2346
01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 5: get hurt and evidently you really weren't in cap jail.

2347
01:40:11,800 --> 01:40:14,000
Speaker 5: It was all because you're starting quarterback got hurt that

2348
01:40:14,040 --> 01:40:14,880
Speaker 5: you went five and twelve.

2349
01:40:15,280 --> 01:40:17,320
Speaker 3: They couldn't possibly spend another dollars.

2350
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,160
Speaker 5: How that was. I could make an argument for the

2351
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:22,760
Speaker 5: Rams at nine if anybody that's fine.

2352
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:24,479
Speaker 6: I wouldn't really, I wouldn't put Cleveland in there.

2353
01:40:24,479 --> 01:40:26,720
Speaker 9: But I just I've been impressed with Cleveland's down this year,

2354
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 9: their quarterback, the way those guys are playing for him.

2355
01:40:30,920 --> 01:40:32,760
Speaker 6: It just it seems like they're a team that is

2356
01:40:32,840 --> 01:40:33,759
Speaker 6: headed in the right direct.

2357
01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:37,920
Speaker 5: Four different quarterbacks of one game, crazy, four different starting quarter.

2358
01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 6: And they got a good vibe of the bottom in

2359
01:40:39,560 --> 01:40:40,439
Speaker 6: other than they're not.

2360
01:40:40,680 --> 01:40:45,280
Speaker 5: In they you talk about injuries, like the whole offensive line,

2361
01:40:47,200 --> 01:40:48,800
Speaker 5: the running back, the quarterback.

2362
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,160
Speaker 6: They still still figuring out.

2363
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,559
Speaker 5: Miles Garrett's playing articulous in.

2364
01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 2: The NFL that have only lost one game on the road,

2365
01:41:00,360 --> 01:41:02,680
Speaker 2: one of them is the Ravens. Do you know who

2366
01:41:02,760 --> 01:41:07,519
Speaker 2: the other team is? No, the Jaguars. Yeah.

2367
01:41:07,560 --> 01:41:10,120
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say the Jaguars are creeping up

2368
01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:11,680
Speaker 3: now around like nine or ten.

2369
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:12,080
Speaker 5: Ten.

2370
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 3: I think you still have Trevor Lawrence. You still have

2371
01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 3: a coach that's done it before Jackson, if you.

2372
01:41:18,280 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 10: Can stay healthy.

2373
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:21,599
Speaker 8: I don't, yeah, because now he's in concussion protocol.

2374
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, that's that's the issue.

2375
01:41:23,720 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, quarterbacks are in concussion protocol. Lasts a little.

2376
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 6: They just put throw a shield on the watch.

2377
01:41:31,200 --> 01:41:33,439
Speaker 5: Actually, PPJ. Stroud just sat out of the game, and

2378
01:41:33,479 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 5: it looks like you might have to set out another

2379
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:36,040
Speaker 5: Did you see the thing.

2380
01:41:35,960 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 9: From the locker room that Pop Douglas said that they

2381
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 9: asked him if you want to shut it down, and

2382
01:41:39,680 --> 01:41:40,760
Speaker 9: he said, no, we want to come back.

2383
01:41:40,840 --> 01:41:42,640
Speaker 5: Yeah. You know, to your point, I would take it

2384
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:45,280
Speaker 5: out of your The decision shouldn't be in the players.

2385
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,920
Speaker 2: Hands to Paul's point about you know what if you've

2386
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 2: done lately and take the whole season. What about the Broncos.

2387
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,679
Speaker 2: Do they get any love for turning the season around

2388
01:41:53,800 --> 01:41:56,439
Speaker 2: like they did? And are they don't know a team

2389
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 2: to worry about.

2390
01:41:58,160 --> 01:41:59,840
Speaker 9: I just feel like when you got Russell Wilson, it's

2391
01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:01,320
Speaker 9: not in the position you need to be turning the

2392
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:01,840
Speaker 9: season around.

2393
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,439
Speaker 5: You need to be like we're going, We're going today again?

2394
01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:08,639
Speaker 5: Like how about the Bengals? Yeah, right, Jake Crowning, Yeah,

2395
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:11,200
Speaker 5: they Well, the Bengals I think are a good example

2396
01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:14,920
Speaker 5: of like when you have a super Bowl caliber roster,

2397
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:17,519
Speaker 5: as long as the quarterback doesn't lose you.

2398
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:20,160
Speaker 3: The game, which he certainly tried to less, Yeah, then

2399
01:42:20,240 --> 01:42:22,639
Speaker 3: you're you still are going to be competitive because they're

2400
01:42:22,680 --> 01:42:23,800
Speaker 3: stacked everywhere else.

2401
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:26,719
Speaker 4: I think that's gonna be interesting to see what happens

2402
01:42:26,800 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 4: with him without Jamar Chase, because he's gonna miss a

2403
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:30,759
Speaker 4: little bit of time, so that's.

2404
01:42:30,640 --> 01:42:31,200
Speaker 3: Gonna be a problem.

2405
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 5: He was fine without them on Saturday in the fourth

2406
01:42:33,479 --> 01:42:35,280
Speaker 5: quarter when they got twenty one points, but I just

2407
01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:37,640
Speaker 5: think he's throwing punts all over the field and t

2408
01:42:37,840 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 5: Higgins's could you see that?

2409
01:42:39,439 --> 01:42:40,120
Speaker 12: I did I did.

2410
01:42:40,200 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 5: That was like, that was?

2411
01:42:41,520 --> 01:42:41,800
Speaker 10: That was?

2412
01:42:41,960 --> 01:42:43,599
Speaker 5: And I went right to a viking.

2413
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:46,000
Speaker 9: I've been a little like skeptical of T Higgins overall,

2414
01:42:46,160 --> 01:42:47,760
Speaker 9: just you know, kind of pushing back on people.

2415
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,040
Speaker 6: But that was a phenomenal play.

2416
01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 3: And then too many contested catches not for me, my boy,

2417
01:42:52,040 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 3: Nick Muwens, Yeah what what two horrific quarterback sneaks and

2418
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:57,640
Speaker 3: overtime in a row?

2419
01:42:57,840 --> 01:43:00,000
Speaker 6: Oh my god, Nick, that's why it didn't look.

2420
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:02,320
Speaker 5: So I would say, like the eight and six teams

2421
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,920
Speaker 5: in the a f C, I think are all like

2422
01:43:05,040 --> 01:43:09,360
Speaker 5: worthy of discussion. Yeah, I think, And we have and

2423
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:12,040
Speaker 5: we have a nine and five Browns team too that

2424
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:12,719
Speaker 5: we haven't.

2425
01:43:12,520 --> 01:43:15,120
Speaker 6: Put on this who's going to be their Browns quarterback?

2426
01:43:18,120 --> 01:43:18,280
Speaker 14: Way?

2427
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:22,280
Speaker 5: Unless he gets hurt, it's gone. They'll have to go

2428
01:43:22,360 --> 01:43:23,040
Speaker 5: back to D t R.

2429
01:43:23,200 --> 01:43:25,760
Speaker 2: What does this say about the Bengals that they're three

2430
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:27,560
Speaker 2: and six in the a f C and five and

2431
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:32,360
Speaker 2: oh in the against NFC opponents catch it by surprise.

2432
01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:34,960
Speaker 5: But is the a f C a better conference right

2433
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 5: now than the I personally think it's not close.

2434
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2435
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:39,080
Speaker 3: I think.

2436
01:43:39,400 --> 01:43:42,440
Speaker 5: Now that said, I think San Francisco is the cream.

2437
01:43:42,200 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 2: Of the crowd. I don't really only one of them.

2438
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:45,840
Speaker 5: I really don't think there's anybody close to them.

2439
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 3: And in terms of talent, yeah, I think we've proved

2440
01:43:48,360 --> 01:43:51,639
Speaker 3: that again with Buffalo blowing doors on Dallas. Like that's

2441
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:54,559
Speaker 3: supposed to be their second best team in the conference

2442
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:55,599
Speaker 3: and they can't even hang.

2443
01:43:55,880 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 5: So second best team against the eleventh seed in the

2444
01:43:58,720 --> 01:43:59,040
Speaker 5: a f C.

2445
01:43:59,240 --> 01:44:02,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, the AFC is a blove by with Russell Wilson.

2446
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:05,839
Speaker 3: Know I I came away from like watching that offense,

2447
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:08,560
Speaker 3: like watch them the last couple of weeks, and I

2448
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,920
Speaker 3: kind of think he's not the problem, Like like if

2449
01:44:10,920 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 3: there is a problem with that offense, like he's still

2450
01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:16,439
Speaker 3: got some of that Russ Houdini stuff going on, Like

2451
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:20,080
Speaker 3: he's still getting out of them. He still gets Like

2452
01:44:20,400 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 3: Sean Payton's offense is just kind of vanilla, like they

2453
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 3: don't really do much there.

2454
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:26,519
Speaker 2: Getting back to this, do you realize that there's only

2455
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:30,080
Speaker 2: one a f C team that has a losing record

2456
01:44:30,120 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 2: against the NFC against five No other team A lot

2457
01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 2: of teams are five hundred, but no other team has

2458
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:43,000
Speaker 2: a losing record against the n f C in the

2459
01:44:43,080 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 2: a f C.

2460
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 6: Who owns the Patriots?

2461
01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:57,080
Speaker 3: Everybody but Mike's right still make fun of thet is

2462
01:44:57,120 --> 01:44:58,320
Speaker 3: feeling so much that he is.

2463
01:44:58,800 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 2: You know what when I their team, one other team

2464
01:45:02,400 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 2: has a losing record against the NFC. You know who

2465
01:45:05,960 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 2: that is?

2466
01:45:06,680 --> 01:45:12,560
Speaker 5: Jets, No, the Chiefs two and three out. How do

2467
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:12,920
Speaker 5: you feel?

2468
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:16,160
Speaker 3: How do you guys feel about the Chiefs? I heard team.

2469
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 2: I think they're beatable.

2470
01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 5: They're as vulnerable as they've been. I didn't think they

2471
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:24,439
Speaker 5: were as good last year as they had been, and

2472
01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:27,280
Speaker 5: certainly they have more flaws this year than they did last.

2473
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 3: I just wonder if this is it's like some of

2474
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:31,360
Speaker 3: those Patriots teams.

2475
01:45:31,439 --> 01:45:34,519
Speaker 2: Oh, I really screwed up. The Raiders are two and

2476
01:45:34,600 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 2: three and the Charges are two and three, so.

2477
01:45:38,760 --> 01:45:42,360
Speaker 8: But still they didn't But at least they have wins against.

2478
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Chiefs, though, I would say the thing that

2479
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:48,479
Speaker 5: I would really worry about is I do think their

2480
01:45:48,520 --> 01:45:53,280
Speaker 5: defense is pretty legit and the chances of them falling

2481
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 5: way behind are small because of that. And if you

2482
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:01,000
Speaker 5: give him, give him a chance, there's always that you

2483
01:46:01,080 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 5: know that one time that Darius Tony actually catches the

2484
01:46:04,439 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 5: perfect pass.

2485
01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:06,880
Speaker 3: Or you know, she Rice is starting to come on

2486
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:10,360
Speaker 3: a little bit and be at least reliable. I just

2487
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 3: think with their defense though I actually thought that there

2488
01:46:13,479 --> 01:46:17,759
Speaker 3: was I didn't think they covered very well against especially early.

2489
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:19,120
Speaker 5: In the game. They said they had to switch off

2490
01:46:19,120 --> 01:46:20,120
Speaker 5: because they were getting.

2491
01:46:20,320 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wonder, like how much of their defense

2492
01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 3: is like you know, if that pass rush is not

2493
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,280
Speaker 3: heating up the quarterback constantly like it was doing on Sunday,

2494
01:46:28,560 --> 01:46:30,879
Speaker 3: I think a good quarterback can have that secondary.

2495
01:46:31,080 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 5: Most of the great defenses, I think.

2496
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 2: I think after eleven, the power rankings get very modeled.

2497
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 2: Who's the worst team in the NFL right now? Really?

2498
01:46:41,800 --> 01:46:45,200
Speaker 5: You don't think by a significant margin that's an awful team.

2499
01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 2: You think they're worse than the Patriots.

2500
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, well like within this moment or like are

2501
01:46:50,200 --> 01:46:53,439
Speaker 9: they in the worst position of like future promise because

2502
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:55,040
Speaker 9: they are a team sitting on the first overall draft

2503
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:56,720
Speaker 9: from last year. I know bray Young hasn't been good,

2504
01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:58,679
Speaker 9: but I mean, I mean it's a different it's.

2505
01:46:58,680 --> 01:47:02,280
Speaker 3: Dark, it was a different be I'd still rather be

2506
01:47:02,320 --> 01:47:04,000
Speaker 3: the Patriots. They don't even have a first round pick.

2507
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:07,439
Speaker 5: Another thing that I saw, And you guys can correct

2508
01:47:07,439 --> 01:47:08,800
Speaker 5: me if I'm wrong. If I didn't get all this,

2509
01:47:09,200 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 5: I'm sure you guys saw a lot like it made

2510
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,760
Speaker 5: the rounds on Twitter on Sunday, how few people were

2511
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:18,880
Speaker 5: actually in the stands at the Carolina game, like people

2512
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 5: evidently the weather that we got yesterday was what they

2513
01:47:22,560 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 5: that was the weather. No one said that on Twitter.

2514
01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 5: I didn't know that. I didn't know there was like

2515
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 5: brutally but that the game was nine to seven, like

2516
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:31,799
Speaker 5: there was no offense in the game. It was a monsoon.

2517
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,840
Speaker 5: I didn't know that. That doesn't that add a little

2518
01:47:34,880 --> 01:47:36,799
Speaker 5: context to it does.

2519
01:47:36,680 --> 01:47:38,600
Speaker 4: And it makes sense to know people are posting the

2520
01:47:38,640 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 4: screenshots saying, oh, tickets are forty seven cents or forty

2521
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 4: five cents, whatever it was. It's like, yeah, because they

2522
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:44,880
Speaker 4: had a whole month soon happening el.

2523
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:48,320
Speaker 5: And like yeah, I mean that's a different than just

2524
01:47:48,400 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 5: saying because someone but someone had said like there was

2525
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:54,360
Speaker 5: like five thousand people there. Yeah, literally yea, And I

2526
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:55,720
Speaker 5: was like, oh my god, I don't think I've ever

2527
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,839
Speaker 5: seen that in an NFL game. But I didn't realize

2528
01:47:58,439 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 5: that weather at least played a fact. I mean, it's

2529
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:02,880
Speaker 5: because it's like if they were eleven and one instead

2530
01:48:02,920 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 5: of one and eleven, I'm sure there would have been

2531
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:04,559
Speaker 5: more people.

2532
01:48:06,120 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 9: People aren't coming up. We get it, Like, it's just

2533
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:09,920
Speaker 9: there's this constant need to like, oh my gosh, they're terrible.

2534
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 9: Look how bad it is.

2535
01:48:10,760 --> 01:48:13,960
Speaker 8: Could you imagine if we yesterday like we were supposed.

2536
01:48:13,640 --> 01:48:18,880
Speaker 5: To Yeah, yeah, but by the time the game came

2537
01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:25,720
Speaker 5: about last night, him, it.

2538
01:48:25,720 --> 01:48:29,240
Speaker 8: Would have been Buffalo with one past the game.

2539
01:48:29,280 --> 01:48:30,800
Speaker 3: I just thought of all the jabs that they were

2540
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:33,400
Speaker 3: taking on the Monday night football broadcast last night. Oh,

2541
01:48:33,439 --> 01:48:35,839
Speaker 3: we weren't even supposed to be here. We got flexed

2542
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 3: like five times.

2543
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:40,519
Speaker 5: But but I do like the notion that, like, as

2544
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 5: the week went on last week, and you remember this, Mike,

2545
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:47,640
Speaker 5: because you know the weather CT Wednesday, Thursday Friday, Like,

2546
01:48:48,040 --> 01:48:51,760
Speaker 5: did the ESPN make it just a day? Like, yeah,

2547
01:48:51,800 --> 01:48:54,120
Speaker 5: they're really ruined the day they took the three and

2548
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:56,760
Speaker 5: ten Patriots out of prime time and then of course

2549
01:48:57,280 --> 01:48:59,800
Speaker 5: you get a blowout in the Patriots game, and you know,

2550
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,200
Speaker 5: maybe not the greatest game ever last night, but a

2551
01:49:02,240 --> 01:49:06,439
Speaker 5: close game. You know, I'm sure they were really upset

2552
01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:07,439
Speaker 5: that they made that choice.

2553
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,200
Speaker 2: Dan's in New Jersey. What's up?

2554
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:09,439
Speaker 10: Dan?

2555
01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 4: You just.

2556
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:16,120
Speaker 22: The Browns and the Lions in your top ten?

2557
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:18,080
Speaker 2: Both right now?

2558
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,760
Speaker 5: The Lions are at eight, and I would say Cleveland's

2559
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 5: at twelve.

2560
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 22: Yeah, but I guess I was just going to point out,

2561
01:49:24,800 --> 01:49:26,920
Speaker 22: you know, it was about fourteen months ago. Then we

2562
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:29,280
Speaker 22: handledly beat both those teams, and I think it was

2563
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 22: back to back.

2564
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 5: Yeah, and with much different teams. You know, it's just

2565
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:37,719
Speaker 5: ironic things changed much, much different teams.

2566
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:41,360
Speaker 22: But yeah, I mean, you know, there's I guess there's

2567
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,479
Speaker 22: always a chance we could be top ten the next year.

2568
01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 22: But anyway, Okay, that's not why I called in. I

2569
01:49:48,840 --> 01:49:52,479
Speaker 22: just wanted to digress and not to not talk about

2570
01:49:52,520 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 22: the game so much. But I was up the gilad

2571
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:59,519
Speaker 22: on Sunday, first time ever. You know, I never made it.

2572
01:49:59,600 --> 01:50:02,680
Speaker 22: I was a from seventy four, but I never made

2573
01:50:02,720 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 22: it to Gillette. I went to the old stadium a

2574
01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:08,519
Speaker 22: couple of times and it was great. I mean, my

2575
01:50:08,600 --> 01:50:11,680
Speaker 22: wife and I went to the Hall of Fame and

2576
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:14,920
Speaker 22: the Lighthouse. We had the dinner at Patriots Place and

2577
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:20,240
Speaker 22: so anyway, the whole experience was great. There was really

2578
01:50:20,320 --> 01:50:23,560
Speaker 22: nothing to remind me of the old stadium except you know,

2579
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:28,160
Speaker 22: on game day, you know, going there trying to find parking,

2580
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 22: and that's when the pass sort of catches up to me.

2581
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:33,800
Speaker 22: You know, I don't mind parking my car in a

2582
01:50:33,880 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 22: dirt field, or mingling with the Hoi koloi, or waiting

2583
01:50:38,439 --> 01:50:40,639
Speaker 22: for the stadius you know, to wave us pass through

2584
01:50:41,240 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 22: on one or whatever. And I really don't even mind,

2585
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:46,760
Speaker 22: you know, waiting an hour and a half to get

2586
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:50,240
Speaker 22: out of the parking lot. But what I can't abide

2587
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:52,920
Speaker 22: after a loss. I need my party and you know,

2588
01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 22: I need Paul, I need I need Mike. But oh

2589
01:50:56,520 --> 01:51:01,040
Speaker 22: my god, there's no signal on that side one. Oh

2590
01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:02,760
Speaker 22: I can't get the post show.

2591
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:06,439
Speaker 2: Oh that's say, who's your carrier?

2592
01:51:06,680 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 22: Parking situation at better?

2593
01:51:08,360 --> 01:51:09,200
Speaker 2: Who's your carrier?

2594
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:14,760
Speaker 22: Uh? What's our carrier? Right?

2595
01:51:15,280 --> 01:51:18,439
Speaker 2: That's that's weird because Verizon literally put in five G

2596
01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:22,000
Speaker 2: in the parking sign right there. Yeah, so that's that's

2597
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:25,360
Speaker 2: that's not good. All right, thanks Dan, I appreciate the call.

2598
01:51:25,360 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 2: I'm glad that you had a good experience. Yeah. No,

2599
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,920
Speaker 2: it's nothing to do with Chris Andrew and La says

2600
01:51:34,000 --> 01:51:36,679
Speaker 2: love you mean it, Paul, but please look at the roster.

2601
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:39,800
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty for the forty nine ers, Samuel played

2602
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:42,439
Speaker 2: in seven games, Kittle played in eight games. Best receiver

2603
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 2: was a rookie you could put Matt Jones on that

2604
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:48,840
Speaker 2: roster today and then have basically the same record. See

2605
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:50,320
Speaker 2: him ce or Lamar for MVP.

2606
01:51:51,439 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, how are you? How are you disagreeing with me

2607
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:57,640
Speaker 5: because you like Rock Party? Yeah you think No, I'll

2608
01:51:58,240 --> 01:52:01,000
Speaker 5: just to state my point on I just think that

2609
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 5: I've seen enough off platform plays from him that I

2610
01:52:04,880 --> 01:52:07,280
Speaker 5: don't think Garoppolo would have made. That's all I'm saying.

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01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:10,000
Speaker 5: I think they had a really good team in twenty twenty.

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01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 5: I did I say that they stunk now when.

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01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:15,880
Speaker 3: Garoppolod and I don't think Brock Purty stinks. He's just

2614
01:52:15,960 --> 01:52:16,559
Speaker 3: not my MVP.

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01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:19,840
Speaker 5: Yeah. Oh and by the way, and by the way,

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01:52:20,040 --> 01:52:23,439
Speaker 5: he's not top ten m VP on that team. Yeah,

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01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:26,920
Speaker 5: that's why I would not even think about calling him

2618
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:28,360
Speaker 5: the m v P of the league. He's I just

2619
01:52:28,439 --> 01:52:30,800
Speaker 5: think he's better. I just think he's better than you do.

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01:52:32,760 --> 01:52:34,080
Speaker 3: He's gonna win MVP of the league.

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01:52:34,600 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 2: Well, to me, it's it's Lamar, he should be the MVP.

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01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,599
Speaker 5: It's just funny how you can have totally different things,

2623
01:52:41,640 --> 01:52:43,759
Speaker 5: like to me, it's Tyreek Hill and it's not even close.

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01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:47,800
Speaker 5: And I would have your boy McCaffrey too, if I

2625
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,280
Speaker 5: if I was really gun to my head, I think it.

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01:52:50,439 --> 01:52:52,240
Speaker 3: Does feel like a year that if there's ever going

2627
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:54,400
Speaker 3: to be quarterback, it's not a quarterback.

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01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:57,479
Speaker 2: This is probably But don't you think, like again, we're

2629
01:52:57,520 --> 01:53:00,800
Speaker 2: gonna get into this, it's we're gonna get this big

2630
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:03,680
Speaker 2: argument about what an MVP should be. But I mean,

2631
01:53:04,040 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes should be in the conversation, don't you think No,

2632
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:08,640
Speaker 2: I mean without.

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01:53:08,400 --> 01:53:11,400
Speaker 6: Him, I mean, I get what you're saying.

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01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:14,400
Speaker 9: I mean, I don't think it's been good enough, right,

2635
01:53:14,439 --> 01:53:16,599
Speaker 9: It's like you're right, that's I mean, that's my MVP, bro,

2636
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:17,280
Speaker 9: It's the guy.

2637
01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:18,920
Speaker 6: If you took them out of this team, it would

2638
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:19,639
Speaker 6: fall apart.

2639
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:21,800
Speaker 9: And I think that's I And I mean, I guess

2640
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:24,560
Speaker 9: Miami's winless weekend was kind of proof against what you know,

2641
01:53:24,640 --> 01:53:26,200
Speaker 9: Paul and I believe a Tyreek kill.

2642
01:53:26,240 --> 01:53:28,760
Speaker 6: But I still think that's the model for me. Is

2643
01:53:28,800 --> 01:53:30,960
Speaker 6: the guy who just means the most to his team.

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01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, Patrick mahone is the best player in the league.

2645
01:53:33,120 --> 01:53:35,640
Speaker 3: Whether or not he's had the best season to be

2646
01:53:35,720 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 3: the MVP, I don't know, but he's the best player

2647
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:39,839
Speaker 3: in the league. And nothing that he did on Sunday

2648
01:53:40,120 --> 01:53:40,720
Speaker 3: no and.

2649
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:43,599
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people will because I hate

2650
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:46,759
Speaker 5: doing the whole well when that guy played, like suddenly,

2651
01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:49,000
Speaker 5: like Joe Burrow is a game manager because Jake Browning

2652
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:51,400
Speaker 5: went three and one as a starter, like no, like

2653
01:53:51,479 --> 01:53:54,439
Speaker 5: there's a big difference in the offense. But like Tyreek

2654
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:57,679
Speaker 5: Hill didn't play on Sunday and offered me the difference.

2655
01:53:57,920 --> 01:53:58,840
Speaker 2: No, you didn't.

2656
01:53:58,960 --> 01:54:00,000
Speaker 5: Actually they won thirty.

2657
01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 2: To oh okay, So then he's the blue Doorish.

2658
01:54:02,479 --> 01:54:03,960
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think that's how you do it.

2659
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:07,599
Speaker 5: Like I think you watch and you see just how

2660
01:54:07,640 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 5: important this guy is to the team. And I think

2661
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:13,400
Speaker 5: if you played the whole year without him, you'd see

2662
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:14,120
Speaker 5: a huge difference.

2663
01:54:14,880 --> 01:54:15,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

2664
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:17,560
Speaker 2: I mean, but that's why I think Jackson should be

2665
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:19,200
Speaker 2: m v P, because if he took him out, what

2666
01:54:19,240 --> 01:54:19,720
Speaker 2: would they do?

2667
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 3: No defense?

2668
01:54:22,640 --> 01:54:24,760
Speaker 6: But yeah, especially without andrews Now.

2669
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:25,160
Speaker 12: I mean that.

2670
01:54:26,720 --> 01:54:29,560
Speaker 5: I love Lamar and Fred knows that, but I just

2671
01:54:29,600 --> 01:54:31,560
Speaker 5: don't think they've been all that impressive offensively.

2672
01:54:31,840 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't really have the stats of an m

2673
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:34,280
Speaker 3: v P.

2674
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 2: He doesn't, he doesn't, but he you know, the possession,

2675
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,280
Speaker 2: the time of possession, he controls the ball. He makes

2676
01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:41,760
Speaker 2: it so hard for a defense.

2677
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's going to finish. I think top three or five.

2678
01:54:46,080 --> 01:54:48,680
Speaker 3: I just I think party is going to win because

2679
01:54:49,280 --> 01:54:49,920
Speaker 3: way I think.

2680
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:51,800
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be Coach of the Year.

2681
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 5: By the way, I would go with Stefan.

2682
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 3: I think he's a good, good candidate for it. Yeah,

2683
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:59,480
Speaker 3: what's his name in Indy? Also coached?

2684
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:00,880
Speaker 5: Well take it?

2685
01:55:01,240 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 2: What about Damiko Ryans?

2686
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:05,800
Speaker 3: He should get he'll win it consideration. I mean, but

2687
01:55:05,880 --> 01:55:08,440
Speaker 3: he's fallen. They've fallen off a little bit, but they

2688
01:55:08,520 --> 01:55:09,600
Speaker 3: have but a.

2689
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:11,880
Speaker 5: Big win with a backup quarterback the other day.

2690
01:55:12,840 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 2: Patriots wouldn't have three wins without Bill Belichick.

2691
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:19,120
Speaker 10: Honey, all right, Jets.

2692
01:55:19,560 --> 01:55:22,040
Speaker 2: That's going to be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered.

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01:55:22,120 --> 01:55:24,600
Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow with another edition.

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01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:27,680
Speaker 5: I'll have the picks ready because I'm not going to

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01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 5: be on Thursday show. Oh wow, Freddy, all right.

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01:55:32,160 --> 01:55:37,240
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