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Speaker 1: Welcome back to a numbers game with Brian Gritskie. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys for being here. We had a gang buster

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Speaker 1: week that we got through. Supreme Court had a major

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Speaker 1: decision and it had an even more important or argument

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Speaker 1: they had. There was this huge controversy with Christine Nome

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Speaker 1: that has blown up even larger than I want to address.

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Speaker 1: And then we had some other news stories. But before

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Speaker 1: about a Christie Nome controversy because I put out a

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Speaker 1: tweet that about my episode. So in March twenty four,

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Speaker 1: out there because I wanted to respect her family's privacy. However,

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Speaker 1: this is what I said on March twenty fourth, twenty

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Speaker 1: piece of DC gossip that I heard that I thought

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Speaker 1: you guys would find fascinating. There is a member of

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Speaker 1: Trump's cabinet. I'm not going to any names until this

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Speaker 1: comes out publicly, but you guys put two and two together,

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Speaker 1: you'll know what I'm talking about. There is a member

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Speaker 1: that this member, it's a woman, is having an affair,

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Speaker 1: a very semi public affair, and if you're in.

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Speaker 2: Political circles, you know well. A reporter walked up to

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Speaker 2: her and said to her, why are you having this affair?

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Speaker 2: Why haven't you met up with your husband? Why don't

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Speaker 2: you divorcing your husband? And she blurted out to this

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Speaker 3: Like what, didn't even try and I don't know, make

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Speaker 2: Oh, we're doing it for the kids. We're still together.

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Speaker 3: Please respect my prom blurt it out, blurted it out.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's going to come forward. I

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Speaker 3: it's maybe to gossiping. I found it so interesting that

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Speaker 3: If it becomes a story, i'll talk more about it

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Speaker 3: someone's private life. But if it becomes a story, I

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Speaker 3: just think that it's very interesting that they this person

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Speaker 3: All right, let's get to ask me anything. I know

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Speaker 3: some people really like the gossip, so I try to

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Speaker 1: When I said that when I made those comments, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if Christy Noman's husband's actually gay, or if

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Speaker 1: I think Christine Noan was making those allegations allegedly to

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Speaker 1: friends of mine in the media off the record, basically

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Speaker 1: Corey Lewin DAUSI I don't know why I'd say allegedly

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Speaker 1: for because it's but it's allegedly. I know some people

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Speaker 1: surprised about this affair, it's very well known in DC,

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Speaker 1: but it's been on for so long and the conversation

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Speaker 1: around her marriage has been happening. I heard about this

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Speaker 1: governor of South Dakota, her own team was texting me

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Speaker 1: stories about her. Now, listen, no politician behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: No campaign is perfect, and you get through hard times.

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Speaker 1: Like I've been on one hundred campaigns at this point,

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Speaker 1: for your principles what they call it. That is not

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Speaker 1: the case with Christino and her team leaked and leaked often,

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Speaker 1: the campaign was a horror show. And this was a

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Speaker 1: And what I find the worst part of it all is,

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Speaker 1: Croyle Ndwsky, everybody. Literally, you could go to a garbage man,

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Speaker 1: has been going for years and years and years. But like,

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Speaker 1: and she says, I'm completely blindsided, freaking Calm down, Like,

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Speaker 1: the whispers that have been happening forever maybe he didn't

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Speaker 1: But that's not Christy Nooma's biggest problem. And this is

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Speaker 1: what I want to get to. So I was on

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Speaker 1: there's this is inspector General investigation on the Department of

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Speaker 1: but allegedly they are. There is something called a Corey

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of allegedly is I know that I

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Speaker 1: After the Hunter Biden. After the Hunter Biden a pardon

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Speaker 1: when it comes to political gossip is our buddy Graham Platner.

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Speaker 1: He is the leading Democratic candidate up in Maine. We

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Speaker 5: So it revolves around the key phrase in that passage

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Speaker 5: of trying to understand, you know, gone through the literature,

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Speaker 5: gone through the records of the enactment, and they're like, no,

431
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Speaker 5: that's subject to the jurisdiction thereof really was broader, and

432
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Speaker 5: you know, it's not clear at all that it, you know,

433
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Speaker 5: would have they would have thought that this included illegal aliens.

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Speaker 1: Right, And I think that's such an important part what

435
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Speaker 1: you just mentioned about the Second Amendment. In the original interpretation,

436
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Speaker 1: obviously you didn't include semi automatic weapons. They didn't exist.

437
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Speaker 1: The First Amendment didn't include the Internet, it didn't exist.

438
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Speaker 1: So it would only seem normal that the constantly legal

439
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Speaker 1: immigrants didn't exist, certainly not the way that it does now,

440
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Speaker 1: not the size that it does now. And there wasn't

441
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Speaker 1: an ACLU at the time to sue on their behalf

442
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Speaker 1: for everything imaginable. What were the questions being asked to

443
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Speaker 1: the ACLU that I think that you think were the

444
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Speaker 1: most important.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the questions asked to the ACLU were,

446
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 5: you know, do you first off, we discussed the big one.

447
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Speaker 5: Do you think this is a general ruler? Do you

448
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Speaker 5: think think this is a close set of exceptions? And

449
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:08,040
Speaker 5: and why other things were trying to understand, you know,

450
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 5: the meaning of how the why is domicile being discussed

451
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Speaker 5: so much in wonkim Ark. That's a huge one because

452
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Speaker 5: a big If you listen to the ACLU's opening presentation,

453
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Speaker 5: they're like, this is a stupid case, uh, because wan

454
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Speaker 5: kim Art controls and the you know, the government is

455
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Speaker 5: not asking you to overturn wonkym mark, so the rule

456
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Speaker 5: of decision of wan kim Mark holds and you have

457
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Speaker 5: to do it. And I mean the justices asked questions like, well,

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Speaker 5: then why did they limit the holding? You know, why

459
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Speaker 5: did they specify and limit the holding? And moreover, there

460
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Speaker 5: was an interesting subtle question that I think people people

461
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Speaker 5: thought was funny. Even I saw Democrats posting it like

462
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Speaker 5: it was a gotcha for the administration. At one point,

463
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Speaker 5: Kavanaugh asked, Uh, the AC, so you think this is

464
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Speaker 5: like a simple case, guys, right, you think it's just

465
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Speaker 5: we can you know, won kam Art controls. The government's

466
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Speaker 5: not asking us to overturn wonkim mark the end two

467
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Speaker 5: page opinion, right, And the AU is like, yes, And

468
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Speaker 5: that's not a good answer. And the reason that's not

469
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Speaker 5: a good answer is because the Supreme Court doesn't take

470
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Speaker 5: stupid cases. Right. That's Clarence Thomas has said this before,

471
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Speaker 5: like when he said, I get really annoyed whenever you know,

472
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Speaker 5: an advocate comes up to the Supreme Court and says

473
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Speaker 5: this is an easy case, and it's like, really, why

474
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Speaker 5: do we take it?

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Speaker 1: Then?

476
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Speaker 5: Like it only takes seventy cases a year, clearly, and moreover,

477
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Speaker 5: there's plenty of cases we dispose of without oral argument

478
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Speaker 5: that we think are easy. So the fact that you're

479
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Speaker 5: here means we don't think this is easy. So why

480
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Speaker 5: are you coming up and telling me it's easy? And

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Speaker 5: so that was Kavanaugh didn't say that, but when I

482
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Speaker 5: hear whenever you hear a Supreme Court justice inquire to

483
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Speaker 5: an advocate and be like, so you think this is

484
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Speaker 5: an easy case. That's the answer shouldn't be yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know the crazy about the Supreme Court,

486
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Speaker 1: And I was saying as yesterday, it is probably the

487
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Speaker 1: last institution with the government where you really don't ever

488
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Speaker 1: hear leaking in terms of justices speaking about each other

489
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Speaker 1: in a negative way, or they take their jobs extremely

490
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Speaker 1: seriously and to a very high position. Now can I

491
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Speaker 1: ask you? And I'm made fun of her in my monologue,

492
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: but Judge Jackson is clearly like retarded, Like there's some

493
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 1: things going on where she talked about something to do

494
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Speaker 1: with Japan and if you try to steal a pocketbook

495
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Speaker 1: in Japan and you have local loyalty as a visitor,

496
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Speaker 1: do you know what she's talking about? Because I actually

497
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Speaker 1: re listened to it and I couldn't understand what she

498
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Speaker 1: was saying.

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Speaker 5: Because I'm deep in the literature, I understand what she's

500
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Speaker 5: trying to get at. She's not doing it articulately. Like

501
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Speaker 5: the thing about Justice Jackson, when you listen to her,

502
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 5: she takes so long to formulate her questions. Right, She's

503
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Speaker 5: not concise at all. She's not a precise thinker. It's

504
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Speaker 5: just inevitable. But I understand what she's trying to get at,

505
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Speaker 5: because I know I'm deep in having read the briefs.

506
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,639
Speaker 5: So she's trying to get to this question of what

507
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Speaker 5: does it mean to be subject to the jurisdiction thereof

508
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Speaker 5: and to have some'beit have some obligation of allegiance, and

509
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Speaker 5: the idea being that there is a minimal way to

510
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Speaker 5: understand jurisdiction and allegiance that just involves I am obligated

511
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Speaker 5: to follow the law, right like in some sense my

512
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 5: you know, even somebody here legally present has some minor

513
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Speaker 5: obligation of allegiance to the United States, which is, if

514
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Speaker 5: he commits a crime, he's going to be held accountable

515
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Speaker 5: in court. So you that, you know, you can understand

516
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Speaker 5: that as meaning you have an obligation to fall, you know,

517
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Speaker 5: to be adhering to the law.

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Speaker 1: That's what she's trying to get at. Now.

519
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Speaker 5: The problem is the way that the people who are

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Speaker 5: framing the fourteenth Amendment described it was It's not some

521
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Speaker 5: you know, that is not what we mean by allegiance.

522
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Speaker 5: It's it's more complete than that, it's more substantive than that.

523
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Speaker 5: So that's why you know, for example, American Indians had

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Speaker 5: an obligation to follow American law when they were off

525
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Speaker 5: the reservation in the tribal times right around the time

526
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Speaker 5: of the enactment, and yet they were still that their

527
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Speaker 5: children were not birthright citizens even if there's those children

528
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Speaker 5: were born on what was obviously American territory and not

529
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Speaker 5: Indian territory. So you know, the American Indian example is

530
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Speaker 5: really really difficult to deal with. For the respondence, it's

531
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Speaker 5: the hardest thing to deal with. And that's also another

532
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Speaker 5: reason you heard so many questions about it.

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Speaker 1: It didn't didn't they get Didn't Native Americans children get

534
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Speaker 1: the birth right? Says through an Act of Congress, not

535
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Speaker 1: through the courts.

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Speaker 5: Correct, they were, They're not entitled to it under the

537
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Speaker 5: fourteenth Amendment, so the statute had to create it. And

538
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Speaker 5: that's that's also a really key thing to understand about

539
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Speaker 5: when whenever liberals doom and gloom about a bad ruling

540
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Speaker 5: in the birthright citizenship case. The Constitution sets a floor

541
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Speaker 5: with the fourteenth Amendment about who gets jurisdiction, or rather

542
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Speaker 5: who must get citizenship. But it gives the right of

543
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 5: naturalization to Congress like it gives that that power is explicit,

544
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Speaker 5: so Congress whatever whatever problems that are identified or you know,

545
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Speaker 5: whatever mess is created that Amy Cony Barrett said, oh,

546
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,719
Speaker 5: well the impletation will be messy. So well, Congress can

547
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Speaker 5: fix any of that. If there's any sort of hard

548
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 5: case with found you name the hard case, Congress can

549
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Speaker 5: solve it by creating a naturalization rule for those individuals

550
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Speaker 5: who are hard done by you know, in a world

551
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 5: where the rule would be just the floor set by

552
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Speaker 5: the fourteenth Amendment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think that. I think the reason I

554
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Speaker 1: thought a lot of conservatives were saying, oh, this is

555
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Speaker 1: coming out coming against us is because I know Gorsi

556
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Speaker 1: was talking all about Native Americans. Gorsis is kind of

557
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Speaker 1: obsessed with Native Americans in a very weird way, talks

558
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Speaker 1: about them more frequently than I think any other justice

559
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Speaker 1: ever does.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: Cony Berry talked about it would be messy. Kavanaugh was

562
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Speaker 1: slightly aggressive towards the government, and a Cavanaugh Roberts was

563
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Speaker 1: if if the court, if the court's not people say, oh,

564
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Speaker 1: it's a step it's a six three conservative court. What

565
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Speaker 1: it really is is, you know, two very conservative justices

566
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Speaker 1: Alito and Thomas, Uh, three institutionalists, one libertarian, and three

567
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Speaker 1: liberal justices how would you see Kavanaugh Roberts, ACB and

568
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Speaker 1: Gorsicch sighting. I mean that's really the four key things.

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Speaker 1: If they how they side is how this case is

570
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Speaker 1: really going to go.

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Speaker 5: So I think here's my guess. This is my guess.

572
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Speaker 5: I think we end up getting Kavanaugh Gorsich. I think

573
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Speaker 5: we get Kavanaugh because I think Kavanaugh has questioned about

574
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 5: you think this is a simple case. I think we're

575
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 5: going to get him because I think he realizes, one one,

576
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 5: he's an executive power believer, and so the idea that

577
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 5: we just couldn't stop birth tourism and that we'd constitutionalize

578
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 5: a rule for birth tourism, I think will strike him

579
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 5: as very wrong and kind of obvious. And then he's

580
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Speaker 5: not I don't think he'll be impressed by what the

581
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 5: what the respondence the ASILU is saying about this being

582
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Speaker 5: a closed set.

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Speaker 1: Gorsich too, People.

584
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Speaker 5: Go, you know, got on Gorsicch and they're not sure

585
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 5: about him, but you know, and especially there was this

586
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Speaker 5: one question Gorsich asked Sour where Sour didn't have a

587
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Speaker 5: great answer, which was our American Indians born now birthright citizens,

588
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 5: and that should have been just a flat yes, right.

589
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 5: It's an interesting question because it's we have a different

590
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 5: set The American Indians and the tribes are in a

591
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Speaker 5: different relationship to the United States now than they were

592
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Speaker 5: in the eighteen sixties. So the question of whether they

593
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Speaker 5: would have birthright says ship now it's different even under

594
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Speaker 5: the old rule. But one of the things, I mean,

595
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Speaker 5: Gorsich isn't a a very good originalist. He makes at

596
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 5: of being that, and I don't think he will have

597
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Speaker 5: been persuaded by the ACLU's point. At one point he

598
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Speaker 5: was asking them about domicile and won kim mark and

599
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 5: the ACLU, uh, you know, kind of give some muffed

600
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Speaker 5: answer and he's like, it's difficult, isn't it, And that

601
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 5: that was a real tell that he's like, you know,

602
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 5: you don't have great arguments. You don't have actually a

603
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 5: great answer to the briefs that were written by the government.

604
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 5: The government has some really good arguments that you guys

605
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 5: don't seem to have a good answer to. So I

606
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 5: think we'll win. Gorsic, Roberts and Barrett are where I

607
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 5: get a little bit wishy washy. I think Barrett's really deeply,

608
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 5: deeply pro immigration, and so she she'll have a hard

609
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 5: time voting the right way here. I think she'll find

610
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Speaker 5: a way to not. And then Roberts, I thought Roberts

611
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 5: had the worst question of all from any of the conservatives,

612
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 5: which was at the beginning he asked, well, you know,

613
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 5: these these these these are very small categories that you found,

614
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Speaker 5: like the children of ambassadors, children invading armies, American Indians

615
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 5: like and yet you're trying to expand it to this

616
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Speaker 5: big category of illegal aliens. And I thought that was

617
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 5: a you know, normally Roberts is pretty sharp. I thought

618
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Speaker 5: that was a dumb question, because the idea being that

619
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Speaker 5: the children of people illegally present in the United States

620
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 5: should be an extremely small category because theoretically, right, like

621
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Speaker 5: why why are they here? Right, They'll they've broken a

622
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 5: low to get here that should be enforced, and then

623
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 5: they've broken a lot to stay here, which they should

624
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Speaker 5: be trying to be retrieved. And so this should be

625
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Speaker 5: actually an extremely small category of people. And yet for

626
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 5: because of the dereliction of previous administrations, it's not. But

627
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Speaker 5: that doesn't that doesn't prove your point.

628
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah, they are the most concerning, I think,

629
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Speaker 1: and I do think. I mean ac ACB has come

630
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: in very clutch at times as far as conservative rulings,

631
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Speaker 1: and then other times she's been a giant disappointment. And

632
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: I guess that's the that's the that's the thing with

633
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: the court sometimes you really don't know. Look at keg

634
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 1: and sudden or ruling that about trans about the about

635
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: the Colorado case. When it comes to the camps for

636
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Speaker 1: for gay youth. Uh, I did not assume it was

637
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: going to be an eight to one decision, but you know,

638
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: I think with the courts, you kind of never know.

639
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: So it's interesting when will this decision you think come out?

640
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Speaker 5: It'll come out probably June, so like late. I would

641
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Speaker 5: assume late. I would assume that there's going to be

642
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 5: a lot of writing either way, and that it'll come

643
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 5: out late. I mean, if it comes out earlier, that's

644
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 5: a bad sign because if it comes out earlier, then

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Speaker 5: that means that Keed Detaji Jackson is not writing some

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Speaker 1: Well, is is that why? Speaking just transitioning from one

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Speaker 5: That's what Because Alito is the only person without an

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Speaker 5: opinion out from that sitting, it's almost you know, if

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Speaker 5: you've bet on the oral arguments, the Conservatives won, So

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Speaker 5: I expect there is some like one hundred page descent

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Speaker 1: That's my guest. Okay, So well, where can we go

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Speaker 1: to read more about what you put out there? You're

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Speaker 1: very very smart, especially on legal stuff. So where can

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Speaker 5: You can read my stuff at Will Chamberlain on x

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Speaker 5: that's primarily where I post. You occasionally see office from me.

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Speaker 5: You can also follow what we do with the Article

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Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you home this podcast. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: it absolutely. Thanks for having me. Now it's time for

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Speaker 1: the ask me anything second. If you want to be

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Speaker 1: part of the Ask Me Anything second and only Ryan

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Speaker 1: at Numbers Game Podcast dot com. It's Ryan ut plural

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Speaker 1: Numbers Game Podcast dot Com. I will get to all

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Speaker 1: your emails. I know I have about two dozen sitting

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Speaker 1: in the sitting in the chamber. I will, I promise you.

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Speaker 1: I might have to do an all Asked Me Anything

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Speaker 1: episode soon is goin to get through them all, but

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Speaker 1: I will get to all these questions. So the first

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Speaker 1: one comes to Andrew. He says, can you lay out

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Speaker 1: how you think the Texas Senate runoff will turn out?

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Speaker 1: Corn and overperformed it for spending a huge amount of

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Speaker 1: money in the primary, which leaves less money for some

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Speaker 1: other important races than North Carolina and Georgia will be

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Speaker 1: at a loss if the money starts drying up. Yes, so,

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Speaker 1: I I mean corn did Cornan was polling to be

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Speaker 1: in second and turned in first. And he spent one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars. Spent a lot of money on this primary. Remember,

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Speaker 1: Texas has eight media markets. It's one of the most

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Speaker 1: expensive states to campaigning because there's so many media markets

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Speaker 1: to campaign. But I and I thought, okay, Trump's gonna

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Speaker 1: endorse him and Cornin is gonna come out winning like

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Speaker 1: he always does. And then Paxton made this comment where

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Speaker 1: he said he would drop out if the Senate passed

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Speaker 1: the Save Act, and Trump's opinion changed remarkably because it's

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Speaker 1: what Trump's so you know, agitated about, is the passing

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Speaker 1: of the Save Act. Whoever told Paxton to say that

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Speaker 1: deserves an award for a campaign manager of the Year.

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Speaker 1: A stroke of genius by his campaign. Who Ever told

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Speaker 1: him to do that stroke of genius because it held

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Speaker 1: back the Cornyn in endorsement. And while that was happening,

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Speaker 1: Trump was asking his supporters, or his his diehard base,

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Speaker 1: who do you like? Who do you like? Who do

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Speaker 1: you like? And they were all saying Paxton, And now

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Speaker 1: he has a big hesitation. And then, worst of all,

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Speaker 1: in that timeframe, there were polls taken saying if you

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Speaker 1: endorsed Cornyn, who would win? And the poll said Paxton.

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Speaker 1: And Trump hates being on the losing side of an issue.

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Speaker 1: And I think that, given who turns out in a

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Speaker 1: runoff election is a generally very conservative audience. Now there's

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Speaker 1: a big enthusiasm problem in the GP right now in Texas.

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. They are not energized whatsoever you had,

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Speaker 1: but you still have a lot of conservatives there. I

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Speaker 1: also have heard of many people that Packson's a lazy campaigner,

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Speaker 1: which gives me pause. And he didn't raise that much money. Now,

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Speaker 1: if he's the nominated the GUP, he's going to sweep

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Speaker 1: into sweep into help him, you know, raise money. But

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Speaker 1: I think the polls showing also him in Talla Rico

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Speaker 1: having the same margin or as him and Cornyn really

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Speaker 1: takes away from the whole he can't win opinion. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so my bet would be on Packson. Long I'm sure

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Speaker 1: my bet is that packs is gonna win this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: And I did not think that right afterwards, but I

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Speaker 1: think that Paxson's campaign played this moment brilliantly. Okay, next

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Speaker 1: question comes from Robert. He says, Hey, Ryan, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for taking my questions. Last time. You responded

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Speaker 1: quicker than I anticipated. I think you asked a really

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Speaker 1: good question, Robert. That's why I jumped at the chance.

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Speaker 1: I'm nothing to you. Not of the people who ask

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Speaker 1: questions that I haven't answered, haven't asked good questions. I

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Speaker 1: just haven't got a chance to read them.

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Speaker 5: All.

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Speaker 1: You re sent an episode about Jade Vans, and your

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Speaker 1: guest said that he rubbed a lot of people the

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Speaker 1: wrong way. I think that was Mark alpurn I like

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Speaker 1: to hear some examples that come to your mind when

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Speaker 1: you hear that. Also, being that you know jad person,

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Speaker 1: can you give listeners? We only know him from the camera,

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Speaker 1: what he's really like when he's not on the camera. So,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what Mark was necessarily saying.

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Speaker 1: I think with donors he rubbed people the wrong way. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of donors who have something that me

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Speaker 1: and a few other of my campaign friends called donor brain,

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Speaker 1: and that is where you are more liberal than the

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Speaker 1: general public, more liberal than the Republican voting block, and

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Speaker 1: you care about things like foreign policy in a different

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Speaker 1: way than I think generic Republicans who could serve in

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Speaker 1: the military do. And when it's very funny when candidates

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Speaker 1: remove themselves from donor brain and become candidates and get

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Speaker 1: more infused with how Republican voters feel, it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: see their transition. Bernie Marino, when he was a donor

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Speaker 1: not a candidate, very much had donor brain. I mean

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Speaker 1: he was very liberal, crazy liberal a number of times,

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Speaker 1: and he has done a remarkably good job at transforming

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Speaker 1: himself and being more well bursed in what the base

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Speaker 1: feels than what I think wealthy donors feel. So I

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Speaker 1: don't exactly know what Mark was talking about. I don't

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Speaker 1: have an instance of that. I did hurt that. You know,

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Speaker 1: a lot of donors do want Rubio because I think

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Speaker 1: that think his foreign policy lines up with bears. But

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Speaker 1: I don't exactly know what the instance was. What is

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Speaker 1: JD like personally? He's a bro like. That's the thing

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Speaker 1: is JD is very much a like what's the saying, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, you can take someone out of their town,

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Speaker 1: but you can never take that town out of that person.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of what JD's like. I'll say it this

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Speaker 1: campaign story. When we were doing the campaign, what well

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Speaker 1: finance campaigns will do a lot is they will search

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Speaker 1: a candidates entire social media history to find out what

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Speaker 1: is in the opposition research book of another campaign. So

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Speaker 1: we had to go through JD's entire social media history

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Speaker 1: and I think JD's first Facebook post. Remember he's a millennial,

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Speaker 1: so he grew up on social media. I think it

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Speaker 1: media proests was like never eating gas station sushi again, Like,

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Speaker 1: it's very normal, It's very very normal. He likes his

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Speaker 1: sense of humor is very r rated. I guess like

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Speaker 1: it's very bro like related. It's funny, but it's not

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Speaker 1: appropriate for the campaign trail, which is perfectly fine. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people John McCain allegedly had a very foul

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Speaker 1: mouth in private and then in public you don't talk

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Speaker 1: like that. It's not polite. But JD has that. He's

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Speaker 1: very curious. He likes to hear a lot of opinions

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Speaker 1: from people, and I think that he's somebody it has

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Speaker 1: a general need to to try to find to better

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Speaker 1: himself at all times. There are some people who work

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Speaker 1: are working on themselves a lot. I think JD comes

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Speaker 1: across like that. It is also immensely loyal to some

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Speaker 1: people who we've like. I mean, I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: play armchair psychologists, but I think of it like this,

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Speaker 1: if you were somebody who statistically was supposed to fail,

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Speaker 1: like by your statistics of your background and your upbringing,

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Speaker 1: and once in a while somebody saw something in you

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Speaker 1: and said I'm going to make you a priority to them,

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Speaker 1: help make sure you get to the next plateau in life.

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Speaker 1: You kind of never forget them. And I had dinner

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Speaker 1: one time with Amy Chua. She's the Tiger Mom lady,

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Speaker 1: still there, but she was, and she was. JD was

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Speaker 1: a student of hers and she absolutely rooted and believed

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Speaker 1: in JD very much so. And she's a lovely person,

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Speaker 1: so so so smart. Her one book, World on Fire

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Speaker 1: and then Political Tribes. Political Tribes is a genius, genius, genius,

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Speaker 1: local book, incredible. But he was immensely defensive and supportive

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Speaker 1: of her, and you could see that relationship building. I

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Speaker 1: remember asking him, I'll tell you one of the questions.

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Speaker 1: I think I remember asking him that, what about the

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Speaker 1: shooting of the hill Billy Elogy movie? And I said

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Speaker 1: to him, what was because imagine, like Glenn Close, who

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Speaker 1: played his grandma in the movie, is like a legend

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Speaker 1: and very brilliant actress. And I said to him, like,

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Speaker 1: what was what did she ask you? What was that like?

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Speaker 1: And so the crazy thing was like she would ask

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Speaker 1: like how did she what leg did she lean most

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Speaker 1: of her weight? On when she walked how did she

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Speaker 1: hold her cigarette? And he said he brought his family

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Speaker 1: to come and see the filming, and when he when

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Speaker 1: she walked out on set as his grandmother, it almost

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Speaker 1: they had to take a step back because she was

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Speaker 1: so much like his grandmother, who she obviously never met.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know, I find him to be very normal.

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Speaker 1: I know that it's not like a real answer. There

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Speaker 1: are some politicians who are very very much like greasy.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've met many of those before. There are

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Speaker 1: some that kind of have don't have an identity, and

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Speaker 1: you could tell like they've never read a book before.

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Speaker 1: They could be nice people, but they clearly never read

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Speaker 1: a book before. And then there are people who are

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Speaker 1: just more normal. And Jadi always came off as very normal.

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Speaker 1: He likes frappro sense of humor. He's got a really

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Speaker 1: good music taste too, and like his music taste is

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Speaker 1: actually pretty legit. It's very millennial, but it's legit. And yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's what that's a person I have known and throughout

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Speaker 1: this relationship, and like our our casual now relationship, I

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Speaker 1: don't text them that often because like what do you text?

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Speaker 1: Like the vice president be like, Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's the economy has changed so much

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Speaker 1: that but we do speak occasionally. But that's the person

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Speaker 1: I knew sorely during the Senate race, where I and

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Speaker 1: before that, where I spoke to him much more frequently. Okay,

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Speaker 1: last question comes from Michael from North Carolina. Good morning, Ryan.

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Speaker 1: You are doing a great job in your podcast. Thank you, Michael,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. I really appreciate it. I hope

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Speaker 1: continues to grow and gets more supportive deserves. Trump is

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Speaker 1: very effective at picking the one hundred dollars bill that

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Speaker 1: other politicians ignored, whether for ideological purposes or for donor support.

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Speaker 1: By this, I mean issues that are seventy thirty or

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Speaker 1: eighty twenty support among the general public, like trans girls,

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Speaker 1: sports and importing illegal criminals. Trump and the GPS seem

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Speaker 1: to have lost that ability. For example, you have pointed

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Speaker 1: out other politicians' ads talk about the TSA line should

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Speaker 1: write themselves. The Democrats would rather ruin your vacation, the

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Speaker 1: deport men who murdered Laco and Riley and Sheridan Gordon.

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Speaker 1: Why is that our congressional Republicans sabotaging Trump? I don't understand.

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Speaker 1: I understand Trump's is consumed as they ran, but what

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Speaker 1: are the rest of the plotal operation? Such a good question, Michael,

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Speaker 1: I think about this all the time. So part of

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Speaker 1: it is and this is a major part of it, right,

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Speaker 1: a lot of Republicans, right, I'll put it like this

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Speaker 1: for example, perfect example, there were no Reagan Republicans while

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Speaker 1: Reagan was president. The Reagan Republicans really started coming about

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Speaker 1: during the Republican Revolution of ninety four after he was

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Speaker 1: left office, because the generation that was so heavily influenced

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Speaker 1: by Reagan started kind of coming about and identifying as

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Speaker 1: Reagan Republicans. They didn't necessarily do that while Reagan was president,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of Republicans who are in office now

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Speaker 1: are still very much of a certain mindset that is

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Speaker 1: their default. So when you don't understand something, your default

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Speaker 1: is to lean to what you already know, whether or

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Speaker 1: not it's true or not. And I think for a

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Speaker 1: lot of Republicans, their default is not lined up with

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Speaker 1: an economic populous default. They worry about, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: the market, or maybe donors or I don't know, not

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Speaker 1: the working class, and they don't even understand it, like

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Speaker 1: they just generally don't understand it. They've got him better,

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Speaker 1: they've certainly gotten better than when they started twelve years ago,

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Speaker 1: ten years ago now, but on economic pop is stuff,

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Speaker 1: they really are still buried behind. On foreign policy stuff,

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Speaker 1: they're so behind. I remember, this is an off the

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Speaker 1: record conversation I took place, but I got to go

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Speaker 1: to the Republican Study Committee. This is right after Russia

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Speaker 1: invaded Ukraine, and it's off the record meeting. There was

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Speaker 1: a congressman I'm not going to say his name, but

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Speaker 1: he got up there for the Republicans, like commty, and

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Speaker 1: he said that he wanted his resolution was to put

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Speaker 1: a bust of Zelenski next to the bust of Winston

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Speaker 1: Churchill in the state capitol, because that was like a

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Speaker 1: modern day Winston Churchill. Like they're just delusional, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. They so badly want to be part

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Speaker 1: of a great moment that they are not even aware

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Speaker 1: of the moment they're in, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It's very much that, and they default to a lot

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Speaker 1: of influences that I don't think are are you know, informative.

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Speaker 1: And it's a lot of times politicians have the same

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Speaker 1: problem that journalists do. If you go to a journalist room,

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Speaker 1: very few people go to church. Very few are registered Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Very if you drive a pickup truck, very if you

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Speaker 1: listen to country music, veryfe you own a gun. Very

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Speaker 1: few live in a Republican county. There it is a

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Speaker 1: bubble and a lot of people in Washington c Most

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Speaker 1: of them have college degrees. Most of their staff of

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Speaker 1: college degrees, many have advanced degrees. They've been there too long.

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Speaker 1: They know the same people, and they are too out

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Speaker 1: of touch with their general public. They just are and

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Speaker 1: their default whenever they don't understand something or they have

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Speaker 1: like maybe like one or two issues they really care

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Speaker 1: about that I'm sorry, by the way for those watching

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Speaker 1: and not listening. My hair is wild today and I apologize.

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Speaker 1: So there there's like a number of issues they care

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Speaker 1: about deeply and they understand deeply, and then there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things that they just don't know, so they

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Speaker 1: move to the default. And there is no lobbyists for

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Speaker 1: working class Americans. There's no lobbying group for middle America.

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Speaker 1: There's no lobbying group for the suburbs or for rural America.

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Speaker 1: There's lobbying groups for farms, but that's massive agriculture. There's

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Speaker 1: no there's a lobbying group for the interests of tech

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Speaker 1: companies and all the rest of it. But that is

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Speaker 1: really why you need somebody, and it's a very rare

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Speaker 1: personality who's really kind of just tapped in and doesn't

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Speaker 1: live in a bubble and their default doesn't come from

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Speaker 1: a bygone era of politics, and that's what a lot

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Speaker 1: of them, even those who are younger and maybe we're

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Speaker 1: children during Reagan time, kind of default too. And I

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Speaker 1: like all of them, but some of them are just

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Speaker 1: they just they live in they live in a bubble,

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Speaker 1: and they're very isolated. So I think that's what's happening.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, thank you so much for listening to this podcast.

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Speaker 1: If you like this podcast, please like and subscribe to

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