1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club. 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 2: Warning everybody, it's dj n V Charlemagne the gud We 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:08,640 Speaker 2: are the breakfast Club. 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: We got a special guest in the building. Yes, indeed, Founder. 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: And CEO of Chicks with Triggers Firearms Academy, Robin Evans. 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 3: Welcome, Robin. 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: How you doing. 8 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 4: I'm doing good? 9 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 1: How are you good? Good? 10 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 3: Good? 11 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: Did they patch you down before you got here today? 12 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 5: No? 13 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 4: And thankfully you know. 14 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a good thing a bad thing, 15 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: in safe or not. I don't know. 16 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 3: Surprise, surprise, Tell the people what Chicks with Triggers isis. 17 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 5: With Triggers is a self defense company that I started 18 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 5: down in Greenville, South Carolina. We deal primarily with firearms, 19 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 5: and we teach women how to use guns. We teach 20 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 5: women how to get certified to get pistol permits. We 21 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 5: teach women self defense. We teach women how to use knives, basically, 22 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 5: how to stay alive. 23 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: No, I agree with it one thousand percent. 24 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 2: Right before you walk and I was telling Charlemagne that 25 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: my wife carries Okay, my assistant carries I carry okay, 26 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: and my daughter who's twenty one, I have her taken 27 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: the training class right now, so she can carry. 28 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: So they know how to use. 29 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: Though we go to range very often, okay, very often. 30 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 3: We do. 31 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 5: But are you are y'all good because a lot of 32 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 5: people be at the range and they be and they 33 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 5: looking crazy. 34 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 2: They do they don't, they don't use. But you know 35 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,839 Speaker 2: what I'm not, I'm not afraid to ask for help. 36 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 2: My dad is a retired police officer, so he goes 37 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: with me sometimes. 38 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 3: You know, y'all got that in coom. 39 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: It shows how to aim and in this, that and 40 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: the other, and it's very important. One thing my dad 41 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: would would always tell me guns weren't a big thing 42 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 2: in my house because I guess he was always open 43 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 2: to sharing information about firearms, so it was never a 44 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: thing when when I see my dad's going like, oh 45 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: my god, it was dad's fire arms. 46 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 5: Unfortunately, and a lot of black like a lot of 47 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 5: black households, guns are not talked about, like you can't 48 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 5: have them and stuff like that. But in the like 49 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 5: in my in my experience in the white community is 50 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 5: all the kid we started five years old and down 51 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 5: in South Carolina, at five years old, they have the 52 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 5: shooting camps and you go to the shooting camp and 53 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 5: then it's all summer. Then we go to the range. 54 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 5: But the black kids aren't in that yet, correct, And 55 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 5: so the black and brown kids, I'm trying to get 56 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 5: them into it too, because at some point, like you said, 57 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 5: you got to learn about it, because if not, then 58 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 5: the streets are gonna teach you about it. So if 59 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 5: either your parents are gonna teach you or the internet's 60 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 5: gonna teach you, and we can't have that happen. 61 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 2: The scariest thing about firearms and especially all the laws 62 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: is the law's changed so much, right, and that is 63 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: the biggest thing. 64 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 4: No one tells you about it. 65 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:18,959 Speaker 1: Nobody tells research. 66 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: It, and that is the biggest fear I have with 67 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: my daughter carrying a firearm, or my wife carrying a firemarm, 68 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: or even myself because the law something will change over 69 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: night and you don't know, and you would drive you 70 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: with your firearm and then you get locked up and 71 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: there's no way around it. 72 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: That is the scariest thing. So what do you see as. 73 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: Problems when you face with trying to teach all these 74 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: not only men, but people of color about firearms. 75 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 5: So I make sure that because everybody says they got 76 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:42,959 Speaker 5: a gun, but nobody knows how to use it, nobody 77 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 5: knows the laws associated with it. And I always say, 78 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 5: ignorance of the law is not an excuse, right, They 79 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 5: still lock you up regardless. 80 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 4: So I make sure that I keep everybody updated. 81 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 5: As soon as something changes, it's on my social media, 82 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 5: so people know, hey, this is changing, we need to 83 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 5: do this, we need to do that. I tell people 84 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 5: all the time how to carry in their cars. I mean, 85 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 5: the state of South Carolina, we don't need a permit 86 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 5: to have a gun, Like you need a permit to 87 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 5: lead the state, but you don't need a permit in 88 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 5: the state. 89 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 4: Of South Carolina. 90 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: Newsey, New York you do. 91 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, y'all not gun friendly at all. But 92 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: we're working on that. 93 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: Jersey Jersey, but. 94 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jersey's a lot better. But we're working on New York. 95 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 5: But so I try to keep I of try to 96 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 5: keep them up to date with how to do stuff, 97 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 5: because unfortunately, we don't get the black and brown communities 98 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 5: don't get the benefit of the doubt like other communities, right, 99 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 5: and as soon as something happens with us, that's a 100 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 5: felony where and other you know, in other cultures, that's 101 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 5: maybe an intervention program of some sort. So I try 102 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 5: to keep everybody up to date, because if not, if 103 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 5: I don't tell you, they're not gonna look it up. 104 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 4: And the police, damn sure ain't gonna tell you. And 105 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 4: now you screw it up. 106 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 3: You know, South Carolina has been in the top ten 107 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: states of women murdered by men for the last twenty 108 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: seven years. You know, many of those years they were 109 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 3: number one on the list. And I've heard you say 110 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: that violence against women is a public health issue. 111 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: Yes, why you consider it. 112 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 5: That, because it's it's I feel like women are the 113 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,839 Speaker 5: especially black women, are the most unprotected in this whole 114 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 5: entire country. In South Carolina. Domestic violence is a joke. 115 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 5: It really is a joke. I've had women that have 116 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 5: come to me like they've been beat and face broken, 117 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 5: all kinds of stuff, and the guy got a thousand 118 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 5: dollars fine and was sent home. 119 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 4: It's not taken seriously. And so that's that's where ICON 120 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 4: come in. 121 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 5: And I'm trying to teach women how to defend themselves, 122 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 5: like we don't need a man to defend us, because 123 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 5: clearly y'all not doing it right. 124 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 4: There's a lot of men in the communities. 125 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 5: That talk about protecting black women, protecting women, protecting women, 126 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 5: and then they don't do anything. They're actually the ones 127 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 5: hurting us. And so I'm trying to teach women that 128 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 5: you don't need anybody. We don't need the cops, we 129 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 5: don't need anybody. All we need is a gun and 130 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 5: learn how to use it and we can be our 131 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:26,479 Speaker 5: own first respond And. 132 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 3: Pisces you off when you see these videos of like 133 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 3: women being assaulted by men and the men just standing around. 134 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, and they just they just recorded and they don't 135 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 4: do anything. 136 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 5: And then everybody's in the comments talking about what they 137 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 5: should have done, but actually no one did anything. But 138 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 5: on the flip side of that, right on, there's a 139 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 5: there's a there's a double edged store because on the 140 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 5: flip side, then the government will come and now you're 141 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 5: in jail because you were trying to help somebody else. 142 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 5: So it's kind of like a flip side of what 143 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 5: you want to do because you thought you was helping 144 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 5: and now you're in the jam. 145 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: If a woman is listening right now and they're interested 146 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: in maybe a class, and if they're not from South 147 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 2: Carolina and they're from it, what first of all, what 148 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 2: gun would you advise for a woman's person. 149 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 5: Nope, because I believe that everybody should pick out that gun. 150 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 5: So here's the thing about guns. Guns are non refundable, right, 151 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 5: so you have to try them before you buy them. 152 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 5: What works for me may not work for him, may 153 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 5: not work for your your daughter, your wife, whoever. So 154 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 5: I say that a lot of people go towards small guns, 155 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 5: and they'll say, oh, I want to buy a small 156 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 5: gun because if it's in my purse, blose block. 157 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 4: Smaller guns are harder to shoot. 158 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: Smaller guns. 159 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 4: We need bigger guns. We can handle bigger guns. 160 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 5: But a lot of women don't believe that they can 161 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 5: because when they go into these rangers, when they go 162 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 5: into these gun stores, all of them are ran by men, 163 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 5: and the men take them to the purple guns and 164 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 5: the pink guns and the little the little piece of 165 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 5: shit guns, and they don't matter. That's exactly where they 166 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 5: take them. And we can handle better than that. So 167 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 5: what I carry is a Smith and Wesson shield. Plus 168 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 5: I carry that it's a nine millimeter, but I mean 169 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 5: I could bust your ass, but a three eighty, you 170 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 5: know what I mean, So it doesn't really matter. 171 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 4: I feel like we it has to fit the person. 172 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 4: We have to try it out. 173 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: Y'all need to know, Robin's not a first generation shooters. 174 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 3: You come from a long line of ASKI because they 175 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: shooters just want to put that up. 176 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask. 177 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: You know a lot of people feel like they need 178 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 2: a big gun. They need a forty caliber forty five? 179 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 2: Can you tell the reason why, Like I carry nine 180 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 2: milimeters And the reason i carry nine milimeter two is 181 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 2: if I'm in the house and I gotta shoot somebody 182 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 2: in the house, I don't want it to go through 183 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: the wall and. 184 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 5: I need a little deuce in your boot, which, well, 185 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 5: you know what, So now milimeter is very popular, right, 186 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 5: but then you I mean, people get killed with twenty twos. 187 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 4: You know, I have some women that twenty two is 188 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 4: where they are right now. 189 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 2: He used to laugh at me, right because back in 190 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: New York you could not you know, you couldn't carry 191 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: a gun. But in New York was very, very deadly, 192 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 2: very very a lot of crime as growing up as 193 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 2: a teen, right, So we. 194 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: Used to go to the club. We used to I 195 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: used to carry like a little two. 196 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 3: Two in his manolo blonics my shoe because that would 197 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: be the only way that I can walk around with 198 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: the gun. 199 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: And they made fun of me, but they don't know 200 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: that the two two could do. Damn is like anything else. 201 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:43,920 Speaker 4: Stand in front of it. I bet you he won't 202 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 4: stand in front. 203 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: I bet you couldn't get it out of his boots. 204 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 4: I can't. 205 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 5: So I think that the gun has to fit the 206 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 5: person and we won't know until we try. So like 207 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 5: from my company, I offer a service called Try before 208 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 5: you Buy, where I bring eight to ten one of 209 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 5: the most popular concealed carry guns and we sit there 210 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 5: one on one and we try every single one. So 211 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 5: that way, when a woman goes to the gun store, 212 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 5: they are confident in what they came to buy, because 213 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 5: if not, they're gonna try to talk you into this 214 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 5: little pink. 215 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: Gun over here. 216 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 5: So when they walk in they say, no, I want 217 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 5: the glock forty three X, No, I want the glock nineteen. 218 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: They are very aware of where we are because we 219 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 5: already did this process. 220 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: I like the the glock is the shorthanded glock is good, 221 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 2: easy to to nobody can see it when you put 222 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: a shirt over it. But I noticed what a lot 223 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 2: of women is. It's hard to conceal that gun. 224 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 5: So but women have to all right, yeah, ready, so 225 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 5: women have to use what you got, right, So women 226 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 5: can use their their breasts to conceal everything like that. 227 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 5: We have different ways of doing it. We just can't 228 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 5: do it like guys because we don't wear what guys wear. 229 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 5: But there are different ways to conceal that. You would 230 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 5: have no idea that there was a gun. 231 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: On this woman? 232 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 3: Do you like conceal or open carrier better? Like? What 233 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: do you think makes. 234 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 4: You I don't believe it. I believe that your gun 235 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 4: should be your surprise. 236 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 5: No one should know that it's on you until it's 237 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 5: actually time to pull it out and get to work. 238 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 5: I don't believe that we should just be walking around 239 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 5: with guns. 240 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 2: Some of the law is that that let me get 241 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 2: your opinion on it. Right, So in certain malls right right, 242 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 2: they don't allow you to have a gun in the store, 243 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: right right? What do you think about, like, you know, 244 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 2: malls not allowing you to carry your weapon or certain 245 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: areas where you wouldn't need it, right, because yeah, you 246 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: might not eat any more. But then when I got 247 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: to walk to my car, and when it's dark, it's 248 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: hell outside and I got to get to my car 249 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: and try to put my key or open the door, 250 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 2: That's when somebody's gonna get me. 251 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: That's when somebody's gonna try. 252 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: To ride me. 253 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 4: I believe be able to have them in there. Especially. 254 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 5: I believe that we should, like forget the parking lot, 255 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 5: we need it in the mall. The mall be having 256 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 5: all kinds of crazy stuff's going on. Their shooting is 257 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 5: going on. You don't know who's in there, all telling 258 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 5: people with mental health issues. We don't know what we're 259 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 5: gonna run into. So I believe that we should have 260 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 5: it in the mall. I believe we should have it 261 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 5: in the movie theater. I believe we should have it 262 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 5: everywhere because and I went to the movies the other 263 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 5: day and I couldn't even feel comfortable because it said 264 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 5: like Noca sillaboard. So I left my gun in the car. Right, 265 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 5: I'm law abiding, and so I left my gun in 266 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 5: the car. And the whole entire time, I kept thinking, 267 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 5: if something happens right now, we're screwed, Like if somebody 268 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 5: came in here like the guy who did the Batman movie, 269 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 5: like we are screwed. I was looking for exits there 270 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 5: was only one way in, one way out, and I said, 271 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 5: I can't even enjoy the movie. 272 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: You know, I saw you say one in three women 273 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: in the US will experience domestic dating violence in their lifetime. 274 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 3: So would you encourage women to take guns on a 275 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: first date? 276 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 4: Yes? Absolutely. 277 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 5: You never know who you're meeting up with, especially these 278 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 5: dating apps and stuff like that. You never know who 279 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 5: this person really is. There's been a lot of like 280 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 5: serial rapists connected to dating apps and stuff like that. 281 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 5: So I would highly recommend that a woman, but not 282 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 5: just have a gun, know how to use the gun. 283 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 4: Right. 284 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 5: A lot of people have guns to flex with and 285 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 5: they're not knowledgeable about the actual gun. So I believe, yes, 286 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 5: you should have a gun on every single date. On 287 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 5: a fifty fourth date, there should still be a gun. 288 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: How would you encourage women to get are just people 289 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: in general to get over their fear of fire? 290 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: See, that's where I believe the instructor. 291 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 5: I feel like, whoever you team up with, that's where 292 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 5: that comes into play. Because if you team up with 293 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 5: somebody who's macho macho and think we about to join 294 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 5: the military tomorrow, then you get turned off by because 295 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 5: you're already intimidated. So I believe that's where you have 296 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 5: to find an instructor that you vibe with. Right, Like, So, 297 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 5: my whole business is a vibe Like we're a vibe 298 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 5: I have a vibe check. You can't come unless you 299 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 5: pass the vibe check. I've turned down people because they 300 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 5: vibes don't match my vibe check. 301 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 4: Ratchet yet educational, you know what I mean? 302 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 5: So like but hoursness, but so yeah, the vibe check. 303 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 5: I've had people come and they're here for the wrong reasons. Right, 304 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 5: They're here because they are malicious. They're here for not 305 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 5: They don't want to learn how to protect themselves. They 306 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 5: want to learn how to do damage to something else 307 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 5: because they got something else going on. I'm not here 308 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 5: for that. I'm here to teach women how to defend 309 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 5: themselves against threats that may come your way. 310 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: I think reps too. I think the more you do it, 311 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: the more you get used to it. 312 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, the first first time anybody goes into range and 313 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 2: you shoot that one time and it's loud, and it also. 314 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,959 Speaker 5: Depends on the gun that you shoot. For the first time, 315 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 5: I start everybody off for twenty two. It's as low 316 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 5: as we can go. I start everybody off there and 317 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 5: is a confidence building. They say, oh, this wasn't as 318 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 5: bad as I thought it was going to be. And 319 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 5: then next thing you know, we move up to a 320 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,040 Speaker 5: three eighty right, so it goes twenty two three eighty 321 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 5: nine millimeters and we slowly work our way up that ladder. 322 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 5: And then when they're next, next thing you know, they 323 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,959 Speaker 5: do have a forty or forty five because they we 324 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 5: took that process together. 325 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: I do believe when somebody you is that firearm, it 326 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: should be to kill. 327 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 4: Yes, I believe that. Don't pull it out if you 328 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 4: ain't serious. 329 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: About it, okay, because you know a lot of people, 330 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 2: and I can tell a lot of these people that 331 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: don't have firearms. They always say, well you can injure 332 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 2: somebody shoot them in a leg. 333 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 5: But see, the the thing about it is right when 334 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 5: you when you pull out your firearm to use it, 335 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 5: you are trying to truly stop somebody, right, So if 336 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 5: you shoot them at other places, the adrenaline can keep 337 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 5: them going through things like that. So I teach women 338 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 5: about organs. I teach them about like placement, because what 339 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 5: we're trying to do is drop the blood pressure. If 340 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 5: you drop the blood pressure, you drop the person. And 341 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 5: so that's what we're trying to do. So we're trying 342 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 5: to hit you in organs every single time. Where can 343 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 5: we hit? We only got one shot. We got to 344 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 5: make it work. The arm ain't it hold on? 345 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: That sounds it sinister? You said, drop the blood pressure? Yes, samn. 346 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 4: So you're going to triggers. 347 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: So you you teach all your people how to just 348 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 3: shoot to kill. Yes, okay, but I deal with. 349 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 2: A law enforcement shoot the kill when you when you 350 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: pull your firemont, it's to kill. 351 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: It's not too. 352 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 3: That's what they don't want to That's what you know 353 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: a lot of activists don't. 354 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: But what she said, when that adrenaline is running and 355 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: somebody's coming towards you, you want to make sure you 356 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 2: eliminate the threat. 357 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 4: The threat right, and they still keep coming. 358 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 5: So I mean that's what I trained women to do. 359 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 5: Like I said, I deal with a lot of domestic 360 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 5: violence victims like stuff. You you couldn't even believe it 361 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 5: if I told you right now. So I've had women 362 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,439 Speaker 5: had to use their firearms to defend themselves. And that's 363 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 5: how we train. We train the way it's going to be. 364 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 5: We're not training for your arm. We're training to put 365 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 5: you down. 366 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: What change the concentration on victims of domestic violence solely 367 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: or just women in general. 368 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 4: It's women in general. It's women in general. 369 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 5: However, once I started, all the domestic violence victims started coming, 370 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 5: and they all like, they didn't feel comfortable taking the 371 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 5: men's classes. They didn't feel comfortable sitting in the classes 372 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 5: with all the men. So they started finding chicks with triggers. 373 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 5: And then they coming even the like at the local rangers. 374 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 5: They'll say, women never talk to us like they talk 375 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 5: to you, but it's a different vibe, you know what 376 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,199 Speaker 5: I mean. So they come to me and they say, listen, 377 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 5: this man has stalked me and he's trying to kill me. 378 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 5: I've had that a million times, you know. This man 379 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 5: have had me in the hospital and I was on 380 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 5: a feeding tube. 381 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 4: Of three months. I've had that a million times. 382 00:12:56,920 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 5: Or he's getting out of prison and he said, like 383 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 5: he already called and said he's coming, so we got 384 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 5: to get ready. 385 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 2: The only thing I don't like about a lot of 386 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:06,959 Speaker 2: states where they allow you to have a firearm at 387 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 2: a young age or twenty one, you know, get only 388 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,679 Speaker 2: a permit or don't don't need a license? 389 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: Is I feel like everybody should have to take a class, right? 390 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 4: Yeah? 391 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 5: Now, okay, so I do agree with that. I believe 392 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 5: that you have to prove, you should prove that you're competence, but. 393 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 2: Not only that, you should know what the consequences are, right, 394 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 2: because a lot of people you get a fire on. 395 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: My I remember I got my first farm at twenty one, right, 396 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: I went to him University at twenty one. 397 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 1: You could get a gun in Virginia. So I got 398 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 1: my first handgun at twenty one. 399 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: I don't think I was mentally capable of owning that gun, 400 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: right because at that age anything you mean, you could 401 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 2: get into a fight in a club and I'm automatically 402 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: going to grab my fire on, But you don't necessarily 403 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 2: know the consequences of what that means. And I think, 404 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: I mean, if you have to take a class to 405 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 2: get a license, you know, you have to take a 406 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: class with so many different things, Why shouldn't you have 407 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: to take one to get a fire off? 408 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 4: See, I believe that you. I believe that you should 409 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 4: at least have to take a class. 410 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 5: I really do believe that I know a lot of 411 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 5: there's a lot of organizations that don't believe that, Like, 412 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:57,079 Speaker 5: you should just. 413 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 4: Be able to go buy a gun. Now. Granted, in 414 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,599 Speaker 4: South Carolina, we could just go buy a gun. You 415 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 4: don't need the class. 416 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 5: But my direct clients tell and most women they want 417 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 5: the class. It's the men that's the problem. Most women 418 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 5: want the class of. Okay, I had this gun for 419 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 5: however long, but I don't feel comfortable using it because 420 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 5: I don't know. 421 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 4: That's about it. 422 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 5: So it's just been sitting in the box. And that's 423 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 5: where we start from there. I might even have a program. 424 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 5: It's called Learn Your Gun. It's for women that already 425 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 5: have a gun, and they come in. It's a four 426 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 5: week program and every single week they come and we learned. 427 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 5: So week one we learn how to break it down, 428 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 5: take it apart. What are all the names called? What 429 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 5: are all the parts called? Then the second week is malfunctions. 430 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 5: If it jams, what are we going to do? Like, 431 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 5: we can't just excuse me, sir, you know before you 432 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 5: rate me, can you give me fifteen minutes? And then 433 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 5: the third one we go for accuracy. That's where I 434 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 5: talk about the placement and stuff like that. We go 435 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 5: to the shooting range and then the fourth one we 436 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 5: learn how to clean it and oil it and keep it, 437 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 5: keep it functioning properly. 438 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: Why do you think most men don't want to go 439 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 3: to classes. 440 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 4: Because men think they know everything that's facts. 441 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 5: Men think that guns are just like built into them. 442 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 5: Like a lot of men do that. A lot of 443 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 5: men at the rangers, they don't know. They ask from 444 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 5: their elbow, but they out here shooting and giving people advice, 445 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 5: and the target look a mess. 446 00:14:58,480 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: You should be embarrassed. 447 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask what changed, because, you know, a 448 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 2: couple of years ago, all my life growing up, you know, 449 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 2: guns weren't allowed in certain states. But in the last 450 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: couple of years it's opening up more for different states 451 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: people are allowed to carry. So what change where people 452 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 2: are actually allowed? For instance, I lived in Jersey, I 453 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: think twenty years or something like that. 454 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: Twenty years. 455 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 2: For eighteen years I tried to get a firearm and 456 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 2: I couldn't get it. Two years ago the floodgates opened 457 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 2: up and I was able to get it one, two three. 458 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: So what changed with the world where people are now 459 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 2: allowing people to own firearms. 460 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 4: I think people got tired. 461 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 5: I think people got tired, you know, I think that 462 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 5: once once COVID hit and everything like that, like people 463 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 5: was worried. People saw all the evil in the world. 464 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 5: And I think people are just tired. They don't want 465 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 5: to play victims anymore. I have women that are in 466 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 5: their eighties that come and take my class, Hands to God, 467 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 5: and they come and take my class and they'll say, 468 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 5: you know, we never thought we would be here, but 469 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 5: this is where the world is right now. So the 470 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 5: world changed, you know what I mean, and where we're 471 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 5: going along with it. So I truly believe in guns. 472 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 5: I believe everybody should have a gun. There's a lot 473 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 5: of politicians out there and stuff that don't believe in guns. 474 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 5: But I'm telling you this right now. All of them 475 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 5: have armed security guards. But they're telling you don't need 476 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 5: a gun, and we don't need guns in these neighborhoods. 477 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 5: While they go to their armed houses with armed security 478 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 5: guards and their kids are at armed schools. 479 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 4: You get what I'm saying. So I believe that everyone. 480 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 5: Should have a gun until you prove that you're incompetent, 481 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 5: and now we got to take it away. 482 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: Now do you think everything should be on a national scale? 483 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: Meaning see, another big problem is the rules are in 484 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: New Jersey are not the same rules that are in Virginia, 485 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: which are not the same rules of South Carolina. For 486 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: somebody who carries a firearm, it's difficult to go through 487 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 2: every rule and regulation for each state, and a lot 488 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 2: of people get caught up for that be could they 489 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 2: have a legal firearm, but you're in the wrong state. 490 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, you're in the wrong state. 491 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 5: So that's where the and I think that's where like 492 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 5: the permits and stuff come in. That's where knowing reciprocity. 493 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 5: So reciprocity is an agreement between states saying like, if 494 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 5: you let our residents come over here with guns, we'll 495 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 5: let your residents come over here with guns. I think 496 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 5: that's part of the education because I always tell people 497 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 5: in my classes, you have to follow the rules of 498 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 5: the state that you're in, not the state that you're from. 499 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 5: And that's where people don't research. People don't research when 500 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 5: you're driving through these places, how is this gun supposed 501 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 5: to be? 502 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 4: Where is it supposed to be, etc. Etc. And that's 503 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 4: where they get jammed up. 504 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: Do you notice any men in your life change the 505 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: way they approach you because they know you got a gun. 506 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 4: I think they always thought I was crazy. I'm just 507 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 4: gonna be honest. 508 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 5: I think they always thought I was crazy, But no, 509 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 5: I think that. You know what, though, when I first 510 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 5: started Chicks with Triggers, I think that a lot of men, 511 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 5: especially in South Carolina, they thought it. 512 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 4: Was a joke. 513 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 5: They thought like because they think down on women. They 514 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 5: think women like, what can a girl possibly know about 515 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 5: a gun? And I think now that they've seen what 516 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 5: we can do is changing because women are not playing anymore, 517 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 5: women are not being the victims anymore, like we are 518 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 5: busting ass out here. 519 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 4: And I think now it's starting to change now. 520 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,880 Speaker 3: I've I've seen your pictures of your classes on Instagram. 521 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 3: It's hundreds of people there. What was the first spark 522 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 3: that made you say, this is what I want to do. 523 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 3: I want to turn what I know into you know, 524 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 3: my actual teaching experience. 525 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 5: So it was, for one, it started during COVID and 526 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 5: everything was going crazy and there was kidnapping women from 527 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 5: Greenville and Charlotte. They was kidnapping women and they were 528 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 5: throwing them in white vans and stuff like that. And 529 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 5: I said, you know what, I'm gonna teach women how 530 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 5: to defend themselves, like I wonder if. 531 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 4: They know how to use the gun. 532 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 5: And every single girl that I asked, every single friend 533 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 5: that I had, they said, my boyfriend knows how to 534 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,119 Speaker 5: use it, my husband knows how to use it. 535 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 4: But they didn't know how to use it. And I said, well, 536 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 4: how does that help you if they're not here? 537 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: Right? 538 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 5: And then so I thought about it. I played around 539 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 5: with it, and then I went to the range. I 540 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 5: went to the shooting range because the range was deemed 541 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 5: what was it essential? 542 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: Okay? 543 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 4: The range was essential during COVID in South Carolina. 544 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 5: And I went to the range and I I'm short, right, 545 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 5: so I'm little, and the thing was up too high 546 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 5: for me. Put the target up and it was these 547 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 5: two white men next to me, and they said, I said, 548 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 5: can y'all put the target up? Because they raised it 549 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 5: and I'm too short And they said okay, and they 550 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 5: said when they once they did, they said, be careful, 551 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 5: don't hurt yourself. 552 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 4: And I was like, what the fuck? Like, what do 553 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 4: you mean? That rubbed me the wrong way? 554 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 5: And then after I started shooting, they was quiet, they 555 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 5: was looking and they was quiet, and they was quite 556 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 5: in their target looked a mess. And on my way 557 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 5: out I said, now, y'all be careful and don't hurt 558 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 5: your fucking stuff. When I got in the car, I 559 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 5: called him. I called my father and I said, I'm 560 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 5: a teach woman how to use gun. Because I did 561 00:18:58,640 --> 00:18:59,479 Speaker 5: that rubbed me the wrong way. 562 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: What do you mean, don't would so you did all 563 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: head shots after that? Or chess with which I mean. 564 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 4: You know, I can't reveal my my taxtics, you know 565 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 4: what I mean. We don't air. I can't reveal my 566 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 4: taxic you know what I mean. It might come back. 567 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: So how can women in your area get their firearm lessons? 568 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 5: So I do for the state of South Carolina, North Carolina, 569 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 5: and Georgia. 570 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 4: So I do all over. 571 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 5: They can contact me. And if you're not in South 572 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 5: Carolina and you want to come to South Carolina, I'm 573 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 5: always open to do groups. I'm always open to travel. 574 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 5: I'm all over the place. So if they want to 575 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 5: come down, we have we have beautiful shooting ranges. It's 576 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 5: very it's very welcoming as far as like New York 577 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 5: versus South Carolina, like you could damn there get a 578 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 5: gun at the welcome center to South Carolina. Right, So 579 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 5: I always encourage women to just just reach out. There 580 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 5: is no sign up on my on my website because 581 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 5: everyone has to pass that VIBE check. So when you 582 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 5: fill out an inquiry form, you have to then talk 583 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 5: to me and I gotta know what's going on in 584 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 5: your life and I gotta know. I gotta feel you 585 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 5: out first, and then if I if you pass that, 586 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 5: then we move on. 587 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: To the next level, which is actually booking the class. 588 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 3: Do you help women in the project? Is getting licensed 589 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: and purchasing. 590 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, so I do license them. So I license them 591 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 5: through the State of South Carolina. 592 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 4: So I get there. 593 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: You do the license. 594 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 5: I mean, we'll say to South Carolina, but I'm the 595 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,919 Speaker 5: one that signs off on it to let the State 596 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,919 Speaker 5: of South Carolina know, Hey, she does, she can have 597 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 5: a license. 598 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 4: Does that make sense? 599 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 5: And so I sign them up for the concealed weapons 600 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 5: permits and then after that we do we go through 601 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 5: the purpose of purchasing the gun, finding the right gun 602 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 5: for them. 603 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 4: Going if I have to go with you to buy it. 604 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 5: I have done that before too, because the don't feel 605 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 5: comfortable walking into the like Palmetto State Armory. 606 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 4: They don't feel comfortable. So if I have to go 607 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 4: driving my car and go with you. Then we're walking in. 608 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: Now you know I'm not licensed South Carolina, which is crazy. 609 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 4: South Carolina don't have reciprocity. 610 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: Right yeah, South Carolina, Illinois, California. 611 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 2: In Oregon, in the states that I can't carry, Yeah, 612 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: we don't have which is crazy South Carolina. 613 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: I will tell you I can't carry. So when I 614 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: travel South Carolina can't carol for. 615 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 4: But you can drive through it and go to Florida. 616 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 2: Now I'm playing with y'all, and that legal, I promise 617 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: you see. South Carolina is a red, red red iron. Nope, 618 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: I'm not putting on a plane. I am messing with y'all. 619 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 4: You can drive the room. But yeah, so I am. 620 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 4: But a lot of men come to me too, which 621 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: is crazy. A lot of. 622 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 5: Men come, Like I just had a group of like 623 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 5: eight guys last weekend and they all came. But again, 624 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 5: I think it's because it's the vibe and a lot 625 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 5: of men of color don't want to go to the 626 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 5: white instructors, so they come. Even if it's girls they're 627 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 5: coming over here. 628 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 3: Is it possible for you to face liability? Like if 629 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 3: a woman you train, you know, uses her gun and 630 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 3: like misuses her firearm. Will that come back on you? 631 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 5: We signed waivers, okay, but it is I guess I 632 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 5: don't see how it's possible because we have a standard 633 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 5: list of what we are allowed to teach and what 634 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 5: I taught you, So you signed off on that before 635 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 5: and that goes to the state, and I keep a copy. 636 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,680 Speaker 5: So there's no there's no question about what this person 637 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 5: knows because I taught them this in the class, they 638 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 5: took it on the test. You got to do all 639 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 5: this stuff. So what you do after you leave is 640 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 5: your business. I mean, I taught you to I can. 641 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 5: I can only do what I can do. 642 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 3: What success stories have you had, like meaning you know 643 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 3: sadly a woman was assaulted and they were able to 644 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 3: defend themselves. 645 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 5: I had a woman that a man, a man that 646 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 5: she knew, broke into her home and she. 647 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 4: Had to use her firearm and she killed him. Wow. 648 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 5: And I asked I remember asking her afterwards. I said, 649 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 5: I said, how do you feel? And the first thing 650 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 5: she said to me was she had never said in 651 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 5: two years to me, was I finally feel free, Like 652 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 5: I'm not scared anymore, I'm not looking over my shoulder anymore. 653 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 5: I feel free and she said, I never thought I 654 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 5: would feel like that because for the past eight years, 655 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 5: this is how I felt, and so he would stalk 656 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 5: her everything. Because it's not even if they stalk you right, 657 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 5: it's hard to get a restrained in order and a straightener. 658 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 5: There is just a piece of paper. The cops are 659 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 5: not here to protect you, so we have to do 660 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 5: it ourselves. I feel like, especially with domestic violence, it's 661 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 5: only gonna end one of two ways. Right Domestic violence 662 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 5: is out of control right now, and it's only gonna 663 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 5: end one of two ways. 664 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 4: Either men are going to step up and say, you 665 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 4: know what, we're not gonna do this anymore. 666 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,360 Speaker 5: We're not gonna beat women anymore, we're not gonna treat 667 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 5: them like this anymore, which that hasn't happened yet. Or 668 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 5: women are going to step up and they're gonna say, 669 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 5: you know what, we're gonna be our own first responders, 670 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 5: and if anybody poses an imminent threat to me or 671 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 5: my family, we're gonna put them down. 672 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:57,479 Speaker 4: And that's what I teach them how to do. 673 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 3: How else do you think women can protect themselves while 674 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 3: they're waiting on the process to go through the access 675 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: to fire on knives. 676 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 4: We teach knives, we teach self defence. There's so many 677 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 4: different ways. 678 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 5: You don't It doesn't always have to be a gun 679 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 5: because a lot of places you can't even have a gun. 680 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,919 Speaker 5: So what are we gonna use? So we teach them 681 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 5: stick fight and we teach them where to hit. We 682 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 5: teach them knives, how to stab, stuff like that, things 683 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 5: that you can use around your house. We teach them 684 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 5: to be prepared from every single angle. 685 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 3: Can we talk about the background, because I know people 686 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 3: hear that and they'd be like, what you know about 687 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 3: all of that? 688 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 1: About a lot? 689 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: Can you let them know your father's father. 690 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 5: Okay, so my father when you're tired, NYPD And he's 691 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 5: also brand master of Martin Bis, which is a martial 692 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 5: arts system. So we kick ass around here from every 693 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 5: single angle, you know what I mean, every angle You're 694 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 5: gonna get your ass well, every single every single way 695 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:45,360 Speaker 5: we can. 696 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 3: Professor Robert Evans, you've heard me talk about it, you know, 697 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 3: written a bottom in my books, Great mentor of mind. 698 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 3: Yes he is that, he is him. Yes, So don't 699 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 3: think Robin don't know what you're doing. I know, we 700 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 3: don't know what you're talking. 701 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 2: We appreciate you for joining us to say thank you 702 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 2: so much for having me love it. 703 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 3: The information everything is chickswick. 704 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 5: Trigger So Instagram is Shakeswa Triggers. My website is shackswad 705 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 5: triggers dot com. Facebook is shackswaw Triggers, but Facebook blocks 706 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 5: me a lot for all the guns. So if you 707 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 5: want to have a good time, Instagram lets me live 708 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 5: my best life. 709 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: All right, Well, it's Robin Evans. It's the Breakfast Club. 710 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: Good morning. Wake that ass up in the morning for 711 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: Breakfast Club.