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Speaker 1: are back on Dale ally here with Matt Williamson. This

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Speaker 1: joined at now by esteemed editor of Steelers Digestive Steelers

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Speaker 1: dot Com, Bob Labriola. Uh, Bob, are you living in

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Speaker 1: your fears right now? Are you still celebrating the wind

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Speaker 1: from Sunday? Um? Hey, you only if you have twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours to celebrate a win. So I'm back into

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Speaker 1: my sears. Well, you're not playing on on that Thursday night,

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Speaker 1: you can celebrate a little bit longer. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: you know It's look I kind of agree, but more

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Speaker 1: than Connor, I do agree with Ben Night what he said. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then media availability um earlier this week about every

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Speaker 1: games that must win, especially with the really kind of

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Speaker 1: to the a f C teams that you think are

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Speaker 1: you know, rounding into form going down the home stretch

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden lose to some a bad team

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Speaker 1: and or vice versus team that you think, oh they're

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Speaker 1: done now after last week's game, like the Steelers and

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Speaker 1: they rise up and beat a team that you thought

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Speaker 1: was maybe one of the better teams in the conference.

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Speaker 1: So uh, this is really the every Dame any different

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Speaker 1: Sunday year, it teems to me. And so yeah, in

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Speaker 1: twenty four hours, I'm a back to living in my fears,

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Speaker 1: which you know kind of might where I lived my life. Um,

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Speaker 1: Dalvin Cook, Yeah, I'm not buying that for a second.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they would want him

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Speaker 1: I feel much more comfortable if, you know, if he

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Speaker 1: would take another game off, you know, the rest that

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Speaker 1: shoulder for those NFC playoffs. I think that would be

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Speaker 1: a good idea. Labs, I'm gonna put you on the spot.

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Speaker 1: If you don't know the answer, totally blow me off.

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Speaker 1: But if anyone knows this answer, it's you. Do you

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Speaker 1: have any clue what the Steelers success rate or winning

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Speaker 1: percentage is post raven games the week after I actually

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Speaker 1: last ten years. It's actually not bad over the last

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Speaker 1: ten years. Really, I would ass both of them are

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Speaker 1: bad for you know, post stealers. If you're the Ravens

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Speaker 1: and post you know, just think you're beat up. Now

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Speaker 1: they're They're five hundred over the last decade after the

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Speaker 1: week after playing the Ravens. So thats not not as

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Speaker 1: bad as it used to be. Worse right right right

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Speaker 1: when I went back a couple of years ago and

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Speaker 1: looked at it, and both teams were well under five

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Speaker 1: but not not as much anymore. There's five hundred, you're

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Speaker 1: right on top of that. It shouldn't have sold you short,

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Speaker 1: you know what. I as as you were asking the

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Speaker 1: way my mind works. Um. What I'd like to know

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Speaker 1: is how many times the Steelers have had to play

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Speaker 1: know those kind of things. It always seems like that

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Speaker 1: my paranoia and or general um take or the franchise um.

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Speaker 1: And they're fine, coach. Yeah, the Steelers are eleven and

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