WEBVTT - S.O.Shannon with Dave Quinn 

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<v Speaker 1>we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey rain Drops.

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<v Speaker 1>On today's episode, The King Reunited and it feels so good.

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<v Speaker 1>I am here with my personal friend who I am

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with. I love him dearly. He's a fellow journalist. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Portia and Honey. He is the quintessential journalist that not

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<v Speaker 1>only knows everything, he knows the stories, and just like me,

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<v Speaker 1>he loves all the girls. Give it up for Damn

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<v Speaker 1>Cronkite aka Dany Quinn.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, Carlos, so glad to be here with you.

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<v Speaker 1>As always, I am so happy to be here with you.

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<v Speaker 1>You're one of my closest friends who I love, love, love,

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<v Speaker 1>love love, and we have a lot to talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>So let's just get right into it. OC is on

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<v Speaker 1>fire this season.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good. It's real good, Dave.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot get enough of it. I want to inject

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<v Speaker 1>it in my veins like my vitamin D my my,

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<v Speaker 1>my K one. I want, I want all of the

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<v Speaker 1>medication that is the OC. So why do you think

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<v Speaker 1>this season is like so freaking good?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that it's a case of all the

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<v Speaker 2>ladies coming to work. They all showed up ready to work,

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<v Speaker 2>ready to do their jobs, ready to participate. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like Emily and Gina specifically are now operating on a

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<v Speaker 2>level of where they've really shown that they are actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, full time players here and they're participating in

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<v Speaker 2>the best sorts of ways. Of course, Tamra, I think

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<v Speaker 2>elevated everyone's game last season. Heather is having a great

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<v Speaker 2>season so far, and of course, you know, Shannon is

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<v Speaker 2>just soaking up the stardom in the midst of the

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<v Speaker 2>of the storyline. Everywhere, so it's working. I think on

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of levels. There's good villains, there's good drama.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty crystal clear for everyone. And I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's why it's doing so well. It so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I agree with every single thing you said.

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<v Speaker 1>So when it comes to Shannon, let's have a real conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, wow, I mean, I think that's the only

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<v Speaker 1>word I can use describe what I'm witnessing to come

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<v Speaker 1>to Shannon. The fact that here we are talking about

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<v Speaker 1>her ex boyfriend suing her for seventy five thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>although three hundred and seventy five dollars of those was

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<v Speaker 1>spent on his Parragamo shoes. Right, So you know, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you do? What do you what do you make

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<v Speaker 1>of that? Because I had John Janssen on my podcast

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<v Speaker 1>with Alexis Shannon, you have to come on my podcast

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<v Speaker 1>too sweetpee to you know, answer their questions. But what

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<v Speaker 1>do you make of that? Is that a bitch move

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<v Speaker 1>on John's part? Or hey, if you owe the money, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>pony up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess I would ask do we have a

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<v Speaker 2>problem when when Vicky sued Brooks to get the money

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<v Speaker 2>back for the teeth that she paid for him. I

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<v Speaker 2>think we were all really supportive of that move in

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<v Speaker 2>the same way. So I'm not really sure what the

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<v Speaker 2>issue is in this case, you know. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon did something where she's talked very openly about the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that she paid for a lot of John's life

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<v Speaker 2>in the beginning of their relationship, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that's more of a Shannon problem and that's a John problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I think that that's really in my experience with

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<v Speaker 2>Shannon and John, my experience, you know, knowing her, she

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody who really throws money at people. She likes

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<v Speaker 2>to pay for things, she likes to treat people. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the way that she shows her love and her affection.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that she got frustrated with that for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time because she was the only one doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. I was in a relationship where I

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<v Speaker 2>was constantly doing one thing and the other person wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>doing that, and I started getting frustrated about it too.

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<v Speaker 2>But I never asked for that, I never exp it back,

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<v Speaker 2>and until I started asking for it. Once I did,

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<v Speaker 2>then I started getting it. I think when Shannon started

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<v Speaker 2>vocalizing to John what her issue is that's when things

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<v Speaker 2>changed in their relationship. And now they weren't even dating

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<v Speaker 2>when he gave her this money, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Like they were no longer together. So I can understand

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<v Speaker 2>why he feels frustrated about the fact that all of

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<v Speaker 2>this is going out there. It just feels like there's

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<v Speaker 2>pieces of the puzzle that is missing in the narrative

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<v Speaker 2>of what we're seeing on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, I agree with that because, I mean, sony

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars is a lot of money. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, that's I mean, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>understand exactly what that money was being used for, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>do you have a clue exactly what the sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like things he was doing that warrned it seventy five

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>It was definitely the plastic surgery was a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of it. And then I think the other money was too,

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps float some other expenses that she was dealing with.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, she's been open about the fact that her

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<v Speaker 2>company isn't really making money and she's floating that still

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<v Speaker 2>and that's at a loss, you know, other expenses that

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<v Speaker 2>she's dealing with in her life. I think that she

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<v Speaker 2>needed his support on and he was there to help her.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also there, I think, you know, after the accident.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he housed her for ten days and took

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<v Speaker 2>care of her after her duy. So there's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more that I think John has done than we really

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<v Speaker 2>see now. At the same time, I have so much

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<v Speaker 2>compassion for what Shina's going through. We went through breakups

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<v Speaker 2>similarly this year, her and I, and if my ex

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<v Speaker 2>was on you know, we started a job at People

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<v Speaker 2>magazine Dayton one of my coworkers, i'd have an issue

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<v Speaker 2>with it. It would be upsetting to me, and I

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<v Speaker 2>really feel for her and what she's dealing with. But

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<v Speaker 2>this situation, you know, from what we've read and what

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<v Speaker 2>we've reported on, she had agreed to give the money back,

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<v Speaker 2>but had required that he signed an NDA that he

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<v Speaker 2>not know disparage her at all. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>that was a big point of contention for him, because

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<v Speaker 2>she obviously has been disparaging him NonStop, right and he

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<v Speaker 2>at that point hadn't said anything. So I can understand

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<v Speaker 2>why he wasn't interested in signing that. This idea that

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<v Speaker 2>it's extortion, I can see that, but I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>think it is. I don't really think he's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>extort her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, listen, I don't think he's trying to extort

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<v Speaker 1>her either. I think at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>is what you said. If someone loans you money to

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<v Speaker 1>get elect of plastic surgery and you choose not to

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<v Speaker 1>call doctor Debreu, Like, what's the do you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? Like, what's the point of a friending habit

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<v Speaker 1>of debro if you can't use her husband for the

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<v Speaker 1>plastic surgery at all?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello?

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<v Speaker 1>Like like hello, talk about a discount that I need,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. So the fact that she

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<v Speaker 1>decided to get this plastic surgery, again, that's her business.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's still money that was given to you and

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<v Speaker 1>if and that's again that's a lot of money. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see it as extortion. What I do see it

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<v Speaker 1>as is this. I think John is fed up. I

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<v Speaker 1>think John is fed up with Shannon running with his

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<v Speaker 1>narrative that he did not contribute to anything, because, again,

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<v Speaker 1>based on what Emily and Gina and Heather has said,

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon always told these ladies that she pays for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's and pretty much that John doesn't pony up nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think John, being a man, maybe his egoist bruise.

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's fed up with Shannon having a platform

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<v Speaker 1>where she gets to talk shady about him whenever she can,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think John is trying to teach her a lesson.

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<v Speaker 1>Now with that being said, is that right? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not the judge or the jurid that's a camera

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<v Speaker 1>but but intended. But I do think a large part

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<v Speaker 1>of his grievances and not accepting the settlement is because

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<v Speaker 1>he is fed up with her and he's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>teach her a lesson. And sadly, and this is where

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<v Speaker 1>I am on Shannon's side, I think the timing could

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<v Speaker 1>not have been worse considering she is going through the aptomatic.

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<v Speaker 2>I completely agree. And I have to wonder whether there's

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<v Speaker 2>any sort of I don't know anything legally, but was

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<v Speaker 2>there like a timeline that you have to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>file by a certain time. Is there a statue of

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<v Speaker 2>limitations where he wouldn't get it, because I don't really

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<v Speaker 2>understand why he filed. In the midst of all this,

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<v Speaker 2>John has oftentimes talked about the fact that he wants

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with this and wants to be out

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<v Speaker 2>of the spotlight sort of thing right, but this only

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<v Speaker 2>makes him more of the storyline. And listen, you have

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<v Speaker 2>been in this business for a long time working with

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<v Speaker 2>these women. The house husband is a thankless role. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't get paid. First of all, nobody's coming into

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<v Speaker 2>your pocket, so you're not getting paid. And I remember

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<v Speaker 2>talking to John right when he was dating Shannon, before

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<v Speaker 2>he ever appeared on the show. We had dinner and

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<v Speaker 2>I the three of us, and I said to John, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>if you go on the show, it's your job to

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<v Speaker 2>smile and shut up. It's to say and when Shannon

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<v Speaker 2>complaint complains to you, oh this one, I hate this one.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate that one. You say, I'm so sorry you're

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<v Speaker 2>going through this money, and you smile and you shut up, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're just there to support her and not really

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<v Speaker 2>get involved. I think the best house husbands that we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen over the years have really followed in that path.

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<v Speaker 2>And he made the mistake of running his mouth a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit, and now I think he's desperately behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes trying to control something that I mean, the toothpaste

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<v Speaker 2>side of the pace thing right. You can't get it

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<v Speaker 2>back in it's done, so you just kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>to let it be. And I understand that people really

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<v Speaker 2>struggle when there's a perspective, a perception of you out

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<v Speaker 2>there that's not true to who you think you are

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<v Speaker 2>or how you think things played out. But certainly Alexis

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<v Speaker 2>coming in and sort of being the spokesperson for him

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<v Speaker 2>is not going well.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to talk about that. I like Alexis. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Alexis great television. It's not going as well as

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<v Speaker 1>maybe she hoped it would because the only thing that

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<v Speaker 1>they're showing her talk about, right is John is Shannon.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it comes to Alexis, Listen, I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that if there's a video of a ring

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<v Speaker 1>camera where Shanna is doing something while she's drunk, I

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<v Speaker 1>do think is very tasteless to not only show it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's takes lists to threaten to show it, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. I don't like that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>kick a woman while she's down. And listen, Shannon made

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<v Speaker 1>the choice to hop in the car inebriate it' that

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<v Speaker 1>was her choice. She obviously is paying the consequences for it, right. So,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll get to the other half in the second

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<v Speaker 1>about her containment drinking. But I think the notion of

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<v Speaker 1>threatening to show a video or even telling the women

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<v Speaker 1>you have one, I just think that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, I completely agree. I think it's totally low and

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<v Speaker 2>she does not deserve that. And listen, I mean this

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing, this this episode where the women were sort

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<v Speaker 2>of surrounding Shannon and saying, it's too much that you're

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<v Speaker 2>going through this. It's too much that this is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the things that have been said in

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<v Speaker 2>confessional from Gina and Emily being very supportive of Shannon,

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<v Speaker 2>like it, you know, it sucks that she has to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with her ex, her ex boyfriend new girlfriend on

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<v Speaker 2>the show. That for me is so interesting because all

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<v Speaker 2>those complaints are not really about Alexis, and it's they're

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<v Speaker 2>more about the show, right, Because let's be honest, Alexis

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<v Speaker 2>is not hanging out with these people because she likes them.

0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.079
<v Speaker 2>She's hanging out with these people because the network and

0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:19.600
<v Speaker 2>the producers cast her to be back on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why she's in this friend group again. And allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>that all happened well before she was dating John. The

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<v Speaker 2>timing couldn't be worse, but all this to be set

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly as you always say. But all she said is like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's so fascinating that they're really talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the show itself. The complaint is about the show. It's

0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:41.920
<v Speaker 2>too much that she is here, that this is happening

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<v Speaker 2>while the cameras are rolling on the show, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is something that I feel like is getting lost in

0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.000
<v Speaker 2>the translation with the viewers. They seem to really hate

0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:54.080
<v Speaker 2>Alexis for the fact that she's there. But she's not

0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.480
<v Speaker 2>there on her own will. She's there because they hired her, right,

0:13:57.520 --> 0:14:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, she's not like she's just it's not like Tameras.

0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.960
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yo, Alexis, come hang out with me. It's like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh no, this is my job and I'm showing up

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<v Speaker 2>to work today.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she has a contract. Like, she has a contract.

0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.400
<v Speaker 1>She's getting paid to be there and listen, she's doing

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<v Speaker 1>her job. So I don't understand the Alexis hate in

0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.800
<v Speaker 1>the sense of she's there to work. It's the same

0:14:18.840 --> 0:14:21.600
<v Speaker 1>reason why some of these viewers hate Tamra. Tamra is

0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:25.760
<v Speaker 1>there to work, you know, like it's that simple. So

0:14:25.840 --> 0:14:29.720
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to Alexis, she's there doing her job. Now,

0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:33.440
<v Speaker 1>with that being said, I do think listen the perfect

0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:36.720
<v Speaker 1>world for me. I would love to see a scene

0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:40.760
<v Speaker 1>where Shannon and Alexis have a one on one and

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<v Speaker 1>I would love for Alexis to say, look, as a

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<v Speaker 1>woman and a mother, I just want you to know

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<v Speaker 1>I have sympathy for you, like I don't wish this

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<v Speaker 1>on anybody. Obviously, you and John are going through your

0:14:59.640 --> 0:15:03.680
<v Speaker 1>situation and starting today, moving forward, I'm not going to

0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:07.520
<v Speaker 1>involve myself like I want her to do that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if that's ever going through.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me ask you a question, as a producer,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think there's a producer saying that to her?

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<v Speaker 2>Like Alexis, maybe you should come in and say this.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I would This is the thing Alexis

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<v Speaker 1>is firing off all cylinders, like she's coming in like

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<v Speaker 1>a bet out of hell. Like when I look at Alexis,

0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I look at somebody who, Yes, she loves John, and

0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:34.640
<v Speaker 1>we're not going to take that away from her. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do get the sense too that somebody is putting

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<v Speaker 1>some gas, you know what I'm saying in her chamber. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but okay, yeah, I feel like I feel like there's

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<v Speaker 1>somebody who's pushing her to do it. Who that person

0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:55.560
<v Speaker 1>is I don't know, but she's so fired up. And

0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:01.800
<v Speaker 1>if you are to be seen as this Chris, you know,

0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:05.680
<v Speaker 1>this god fearing woman, then for me it's sort of like,

0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:09.400
<v Speaker 1>can we at least see a little bit of sympathy

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<v Speaker 1>out of you because we're talking strictly about Shannon and Alexis.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless I'm wrong and I missed it, Shannon has not

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<v Speaker 1>said anything disparaging about Alexis, and I feel like everything

0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:29.000
<v Speaker 1>is about John and Alexis is reacting base on the

0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.600
<v Speaker 1>things that John is saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's not working in that sense. It's so strange,

0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.640
<v Speaker 2>and the viewers are really anti Alexis. They really really

0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:40.000
<v Speaker 2>hate her, and I think it's interesting. I mean, I'm

0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.760
<v Speaker 2>paying attention to a lot of that because when it

0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.680
<v Speaker 2>first came out that Alexis was dating John, I remember

0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.280
<v Speaker 2>being online and everyone was like, I need Andy in

0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the camera. I can't wait to see what shan Shannon's

0:16:53.000 --> 0:16:55.240
<v Speaker 2>will lose it. This is going to be incredible, Like

0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.000
<v Speaker 2>people were salivating to see it, and now it's so

0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:00.560
<v Speaker 2>interesting that they're seeing it. They have so much sympathy

0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:03.560
<v Speaker 2>for Shannon and so much hatred for Alexis, even though

0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.840
<v Speaker 2>this is what they wanted. You know, you have Megan

0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:08.840
<v Speaker 2>McCain saying how mean she is and Melissa Perraic Griffin

0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.440
<v Speaker 2>dissing her on the View, like people really are anti her,

0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:14.680
<v Speaker 2>and I don't. For me, I don't understand it. It's like,

0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.080
<v Speaker 2>this is what you wanted, this is what you were

0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:19.680
<v Speaker 2>asking for and had been asking for for a while.

0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I remember when Lisa Retta was on Beverly Hills and

0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.800
<v Speaker 2>they were begging Nicolette Sheridan to come on the show.

0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:28.919
<v Speaker 2>I remember when David Bador got remarried and they were

0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:31.239
<v Speaker 2>begging for her wife, the new wife, to come on.

0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh see, Like the fans seemed to want that, right

0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:37.760
<v Speaker 2>They rallied behind Sweet Tea when she came on and

0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.080
<v Speaker 2>married to Medicine and they had to watch her with quad.

0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.640
<v Speaker 2>That's sort of what they want. But now that we're

0:17:42.640 --> 0:17:44.960
<v Speaker 2>in it, we don't seem to want it. So I

0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:47.480
<v Speaker 2>guess I don't really I don't know where to place

0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.560
<v Speaker 2>the blame. Is the blame on Alexis, Is the blame

0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:52.639
<v Speaker 2>on producers? Is the blame on the network? Where did

0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.080
<v Speaker 2>this all go wrong that the audience is so unhappy?

0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Well, good question. The audience doesn't know what they want,

0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.679
<v Speaker 1>they get it, do you know what I mean? Again,

0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.479
<v Speaker 1>it's the same audience who did not want Tamra and

0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:09.160
<v Speaker 1>we had to deal with a season without her, which

0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.800
<v Speaker 1>was it's news. So it's one of those things I

0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.000
<v Speaker 1>always tell the audience. At the end of the day,

0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:20.159
<v Speaker 1>you want to be entertained, and it is okay to

0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:24.760
<v Speaker 1>have strong feelings about somebody. But when you have those

0:18:24.760 --> 0:18:30.119
<v Speaker 1>strong convictions, it's because you are invested in the show

0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.879
<v Speaker 1>and the storylines. So without that, you are left with

0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:39.840
<v Speaker 1>the OC two years ago, which was unwatchable. And then

0:18:39.920 --> 0:18:43.679
<v Speaker 1>you guys not only begged for Tamar to leave, you

0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.520
<v Speaker 1>guys beg for her to come back. And now that

0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:51.720
<v Speaker 1>she's back and she's in Shannon's ass this season, you

0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:57.639
<v Speaker 1>guys are also wanting Tamra to go. So what is

0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:00.800
<v Speaker 1>it that you want? Do you want to watch a

0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:05.199
<v Speaker 1>show where Heather is in her Beverly Hills home with

0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.000
<v Speaker 1>her kids and Josh Altman like, I'm not trying to

0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:11.760
<v Speaker 1>watch that every week. I think it's great to see it.

0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:16.280
<v Speaker 1>I like seeing Heather's wealth, but I like to also

0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:21.320
<v Speaker 1>see these women have real conversations and what Shannon is

0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.719
<v Speaker 1>going through is real. Speaking of which, when it comes

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:31.439
<v Speaker 1>to Shannon's sobriety, right one thing you and I are

0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.080
<v Speaker 1>are are definitely on the same page as you can't

0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:36.399
<v Speaker 1>tell somebody how to operate when it comes to their

0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:40.960
<v Speaker 1>own sobriety. You can't force someone to stop drinking. Everything

0:19:41.080 --> 0:19:46.000
<v Speaker 1>has to be in that own person's line, right in

0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:50.280
<v Speaker 1>their own poson's time. I've said this on the show before. Listen,

0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:52.879
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to Shannon, I'm not here to judge her.

0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not here to tell her to stop drinking. That's

0:19:55.280 --> 0:19:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that's a choice she has to make. When she showed

0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Ether that picture of her with the blood on her face,

0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:11.919
<v Speaker 1>it stopped me in my tracks because it was so

0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.000
<v Speaker 1>it was so disheartening to see it, and it was

0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.240
<v Speaker 1>jarring to see, but it was also sort of like,

0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.159
<v Speaker 1>I guess for me, I was sort of like, I

0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:26.440
<v Speaker 1>don't know, Shannon. I think this picture, if in my opinion,

0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.040
<v Speaker 1>could be seen as a wake up hall of like

0:20:30.840 --> 0:20:34.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe there is something there to where the two drink

0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:37.520
<v Speaker 1>minimum may not be the best for her based solely

0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:42.000
<v Speaker 1>off of just like seeing that that photo. Where do

0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:43.399
<v Speaker 1>you think Shannon is.

0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Spoken to her about this a lot? And you know,

0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.200
<v Speaker 2>she really still maintains that she did not have a

0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.760
<v Speaker 2>drinking problem, does not have a drinking problem, that it

0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:58.479
<v Speaker 2>was a picker problem, shout out j Low, that it

0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.560
<v Speaker 2>was a picker problem, that she felt like she was

0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.720
<v Speaker 2>focused on the wrong people. Now, she wasn't with John

0:21:04.760 --> 0:21:08.280
<v Speaker 2>the night of her duy up until the end of it.

0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, she had been out drinking prior to that,

0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:13.560
<v Speaker 2>and then went to his house and then got into

0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.040
<v Speaker 2>the accident afterwards. She didn't drink at his house. So

0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:19.359
<v Speaker 2>the alcohol I think she was three times I legal limit.

0:21:19.400 --> 0:21:25.160
<v Speaker 2>That was all before John was around. So there's clearly

0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot stemming from her anger towards him or whatever

0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 2>was happening in the relationship at the time, or whatever

0:21:32.080 --> 0:21:34.239
<v Speaker 2>she was dealing with. She was self medicating, that's what

0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:38.560
<v Speaker 2>she's all said now. Carlos, I am eleven years sober.

0:21:40.240 --> 0:21:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, very recovering alcoholic. I am active in program.

0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:49.400
<v Speaker 2>I am very grateful for my alcoholism and very grateful

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:53.360
<v Speaker 2>for my recovery. I have been in lots of meetings before,

0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.560
<v Speaker 2>I have done this for a long time. You definitely

0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.520
<v Speaker 2>are right in saying you cannot tell someone that they

0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:01.560
<v Speaker 2>have a problem. They have to come up with that

0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:06.240
<v Speaker 2>on their own, and I think that Shannon is working

0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.760
<v Speaker 2>through those feelings on her own and she has decided

0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:12.399
<v Speaker 2>she doesn't have an issue. But I want to speak

0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:14.959
<v Speaker 2>a little bit to Tamra and sort of the anger

0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and the hate that she's getting as well, because I've

0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:20.920
<v Speaker 2>been in so many meetings with so many addicts who

0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 2>have talked about the tough love that they have gotten

0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:26.879
<v Speaker 2>from people in their lives that have actually really helped

0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:30.040
<v Speaker 2>them and opened their eyes. And the audience again seems

0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.200
<v Speaker 2>to be very loudly saying, you don't kick someone when

0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:34.159
<v Speaker 2>they're down, You don't do this, You don't speak to

0:22:34.200 --> 0:22:37.080
<v Speaker 2>someone like this, you can't. And I agree that it's

0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:40.159
<v Speaker 2>really harsh what we've been seeing from Tamra, But I

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:44.159
<v Speaker 2>just want to say, as an addict, it's not the

0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:46.159
<v Speaker 2>worst thing to have someone talk to you like that

0:22:46.320 --> 0:22:49.840
<v Speaker 2>sometimes that sometimes it could be really helpful to open

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:52.800
<v Speaker 2>your eyes and clean things up. I spoke to Tamra

0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and she said that she had a deep conversation with

0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Shannon allegedly, and after seeing that photo, also talk to

0:23:01.040 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 2>her about listen, I think this is a rock bottom

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.919
<v Speaker 2>moment for you, and you know, maybe this is the

0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.719
<v Speaker 2>eye opener that you need, and that Shannon said all

0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.840
<v Speaker 2>those things to her that yes, I need help, and

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I realized I can't keep going like this, YadA, YadA, YadA.

0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.520
<v Speaker 2>But then days later was talking negatively about Tamara allegedly

0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:19.760
<v Speaker 2>and saying, you know, I don't have a problem. She

0:23:19.840 --> 0:23:21.840
<v Speaker 2>has a problem, and Gina has a problem, and all

0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:24.480
<v Speaker 2>these other people have problems. Right, So I can see

0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.480
<v Speaker 2>where Tamar's frustration comes and where she's put down this

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:30.640
<v Speaker 2>boundary to say I'm no longer dealing with this with someone.

0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:34.120
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of complicated emotions, and we all really

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 2>see it so black and white, right, But I'm here

0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:39.280
<v Speaker 2>to say, like, there's so much gray in this. And

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:41.440
<v Speaker 2>I have been in rooms with addicts who have done

0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:44.159
<v Speaker 2>way worse things than Shannon the door and have had

0:23:44.200 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 2>people who have allowed them to do that over and

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.320
<v Speaker 2>over and over again by always keeping the door open,

0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and they've really harmed a lot of people. And I've

0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:54.520
<v Speaker 2>had other people who I know who've had families cut

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.199
<v Speaker 2>them off and it has given them the wake up

0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:59.640
<v Speaker 2>call that they needed to get help. It doesn't seem

0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.119
<v Speaker 2>to be helping Shannon in this case, but I also don't.

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't. Just as like I don't judge Shannon for

0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:10.840
<v Speaker 2>her drinking, I don't judge Tamra for putting down that boundary.

0:24:11.600 --> 0:24:17.840
<v Speaker 1>I could not agree with you more. Everybody situation is different.

0:24:18.440 --> 0:24:24.320
<v Speaker 1>There are people who are alcoholics or addicts who need

0:24:24.400 --> 0:24:27.640
<v Speaker 1>tough love. One thing I said about podcast to Dave

0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:31.880
<v Speaker 1>is we have to understand that Tamra has seen more

0:24:31.920 --> 0:24:35.560
<v Speaker 1>than we have seen as viewers, and I think that

0:24:35.640 --> 0:24:39.679
<v Speaker 1>gets lost on the audience. Right, they were on tour together.

0:24:39.840 --> 0:24:42.400
<v Speaker 1>They've been best friends for I think about a decade

0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:47.679
<v Speaker 1>at this point, if not longer. They Tamra have seen

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 1>a lot. They talked about talking on the phone every

0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 1>single day. Tamar knows a lot, and I think Tamra's delivery, Yes,

0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.320
<v Speaker 1>it is sometimes darring, but I think you we have

0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:03.600
<v Speaker 1>to take a step back and realize they were best

0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:06.159
<v Speaker 1>friends and Tamara knows more than we would ever know.

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:15.480
<v Speaker 1>And she is choosing to go this route because the

0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:19.840
<v Speaker 1>other route did not work like the Vickie route. Right

0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.879
<v Speaker 1>is Oh, she's fine, She's okay, it's all good. Libra

0:25:22.920 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 1>alone Again, that's Vickie's reality. I think that was Tamra's

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:31.240
<v Speaker 1>for so long and it didn't work. And I think

0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:36.679
<v Speaker 1>Tamar is showing tough love because sometimes that's what you need.

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:41.480
<v Speaker 1>The biggest thing is going to be what Shannon feels

0:25:41.600 --> 0:25:46.239
<v Speaker 1>she needs. And my hope for Shannon at the end

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 1>of the day is to quiet and drawn off the

0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:55.199
<v Speaker 1>noise and sit with herself and really ask yourself the

0:25:55.240 --> 0:26:01.119
<v Speaker 1>tough questions and do something about whatever results come after

0:26:01.200 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 1>having that. I really want the best board Shannon. I

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 1>think we all do. And I think again, when I

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>saw that photo Dave, I was like, Yeah, this is deep,

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:13.800
<v Speaker 1>this is deep, and hopefully that is her rock bottom.

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's really taking it seriously in the sense

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:19.919
<v Speaker 2>that I can see that she knows that what she

0:26:20.000 --> 0:26:23.320
<v Speaker 2>did was wrong, that she's taking responsibility for it, that

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 2>she's really being very hard on herself. Which is a

0:26:27.119 --> 0:26:29.840
<v Speaker 2>big part of this, I'll just say is through my

0:26:29.880 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 2>own addiction, it's it's a big that guilt, that shame,

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:37.440
<v Speaker 2>that that anger that you have internally is really difficult

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 2>to deal with. It took me a long time to

0:26:39.440 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 2>forgive myself and I'm still working to forgive myself for

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:45.520
<v Speaker 2>certain things I do. I did rather in the height

0:26:45.560 --> 0:26:49.600
<v Speaker 2>of my addiction or my my issues. I would also

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 2>say that a big part of the Progress Through program

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:55.719
<v Speaker 2>is working through a very important stuff of making amends

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.200
<v Speaker 2>to the people in your life who you've harmed through

0:26:58.200 --> 0:27:03.119
<v Speaker 2>your addiction, through your actions. And again, I'm not saying

0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:05.879
<v Speaker 2>that Shannon has a problem, that she's admitted that she

0:27:05.920 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 2>has a problem, but I am understanding through Tamra's lens

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that if she feels like she's been really harmed by

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:17.719
<v Speaker 2>being on the phone with somebody constantly who is talking

0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:20.200
<v Speaker 2>to you about the depths of their depression and their

0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 2>problems and their and there, and they're perhaps constantly inebriated,

0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 2>and you don't know what to do and you Tamra

0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.480
<v Speaker 2>had said that sometimes I'd hang up the phone and

0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 2>it would take me hours to fall asleep because I'd

0:27:31.520 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 2>be so nervous she could hurt herself. What's going to happen? Right,

0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:37.359
<v Speaker 2>if you're living with that much panic for a long

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.560
<v Speaker 2>time and you're not able to ever get someone to

0:27:40.640 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 2>say I'm so sorry that that harmed you, and I'm

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to work with you. It's I understand why

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 2>it's hard for that person to move on. I've made

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 2>amends to people in my life who have said I

0:27:51.040 --> 0:27:53.760
<v Speaker 2>don't care what you did sucked and I'm never going

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 2>to talk to you again. And I've had to lose

0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 2>friends who just said no, I refuse, I refuse, and

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:03.120
<v Speaker 2>that it's hard to live with. But the men's process

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 2>isn't something that Shannon is really doing with Tamra, and

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:08.960
<v Speaker 2>it's something that Tamra needs that she doesn't even I

0:28:09.000 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>think know how to ask for.

0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:16.120
<v Speaker 1>Who. I hate to interrupt, but stay tuned for more.

0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 1>This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get back into the show. I think Gina is

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:36.040
<v Speaker 1>having the best season. Honey. I call her Gina all Meade,

0:28:36.080 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Gina Oppenheim. I call her Gina Tutor. Shout out to Tracy.

0:28:41.440 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 1>She is the real estate agent to the star. He

0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>suld be on selling the OC. I am loving I.

0:28:48.680 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Am too, And again it's something. Look, I've always loved Gina.

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:55.480
<v Speaker 2>She's my Strong Island sister. Uh shout out strong. I

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 2>am shout out Long Island as they like to call it.

0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>I have her presence on the show. You know. Again,

0:29:02.880 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of interesting things. She's somebody who seems

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 2>to be tuned in and working and you know, look,

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:13.680
<v Speaker 2>she maybe in my perspective, for gave Shannon a little

0:29:13.680 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 2>bit too quickly because of the years that Shannon was

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 2>sort of going in on Gina. I'm sort of surprised

0:29:20.600 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>that she was able to move past it so quickly.

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 2>But it shows who she is and what her character is,

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.480
<v Speaker 2>and she's going through something in a relationship that I

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:32.360
<v Speaker 2>don't think we've really seen on Housewise before, and I

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>think it's an interesting dynamic that I enjoy watching play out.

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:40.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I mean, there's a lot this season

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 2>that's happening, and I'm curious about what those conversations were

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>like with Katie behind the scenes before Katie showed up.

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm very interested what comes out of the reunion.

0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:53.520
<v Speaker 1>What do you make of Katie? Because I was gonna

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:56.240
<v Speaker 1>go there next, but let us go there now? What

0:29:56.320 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>are her thoughts on her? Because I I told the

0:30:02.200 --> 0:30:05.560
<v Speaker 1>rain Drop give me a few weeks, a few episodes,

0:30:05.680 --> 0:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>until I really am able to, you know, give her,

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:11.280
<v Speaker 1>and then.

0:30:11.240 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 2>Last week you gave that feedback. I'm not just I'm

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.360
<v Speaker 2>not just a participant in Reality with the King. I'm

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 2>also a listener. I'm a date one Raindrop. I'm the

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:22.760
<v Speaker 2>president of drops.

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Yes you are, Yes you are. Katie is giving all

0:30:32.200 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>on one season one of the Baby. I'm not sure,

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.120
<v Speaker 1>but Dave, what do you think? I hope it's Katie.

0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:41.200
<v Speaker 2>You know. When I hear Tamra say that she feels

0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>like Gina set her up, I do kind of wonder

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 2>whether she was a little bit set up to fail,

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:50.120
<v Speaker 2>whether you know, Gina had those conversations with her early

0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 2>on to say, oh yeah, bring this up, Oh yeah,

0:30:51.840 --> 0:30:53.760
<v Speaker 2>that would be good, and then sort of left her

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.560
<v Speaker 2>out to dry. It sort of maybe feels like that

0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:00.520
<v Speaker 2>from what I'm sort of reading between the lines the edit.

0:31:01.520 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 2>But that's also on her right, you know, It's like

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:06.960
<v Speaker 2>you got to know not to just be a parent.

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.520
<v Speaker 2>It's difficult. These housewives now come into a show that

0:31:10.600 --> 0:31:13.640
<v Speaker 2>already exists, that they've watched for years. They're aware of

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 2>sort of how they need to act and what they

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:18.000
<v Speaker 2>need to do, and I think that a lot of

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 2>them struggle to just be themselves. I like, in the

0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 2>past couple of episodes that think have been seeing more

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.479
<v Speaker 2>of her personality and I'm sort of enjoying that, But

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not yet sold on whether she's making it one

0:31:31.080 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 2>or two.

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I think, based on this recent episode, she's a one

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>season wonder I and that's no shade to her as

0:31:39.560 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 1>a as a human being. I think when it comes

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:46.560
<v Speaker 1>to the OC is such a strong cast. I think

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 1>Jen is such a strong OC housewife who I enjoy watching.

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm so intrigued by the dynamic of her and Ryan,

0:31:56.480 --> 0:32:02.520
<v Speaker 1>her ex husband, the dependency on her father, I'm I'm

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm investing in all things Jin Katie. I the personal

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>story I see it. The thing is this, when she's

0:32:11.880 --> 0:32:19.920
<v Speaker 1>on camera, she doesn't shine like she's She's not somebody

0:32:20.360 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 1>where you instantly are drawn to her. I think at

0:32:26.200 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 1>best she could have been a friend of Maybe she

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 1>fits better in Beverly Hills because she's Sutton's friend. In

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>real life, I just don't think she fits this strong

0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>group of women where you have Emily, you know, reading

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.760
<v Speaker 1>Jin for about and Rolex and telling her to get

0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 1>a fucking job. You know what I mean. You have

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>Jin who is giving you everything. You have Gina whose

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 1>best season this is. You have Heather who's having a

0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:01.320
<v Speaker 1>great season, who's talking about the you know, inclusivity when

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 1>it comes to like her children, but also being the

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, the snobby, bougie OC housewip that we love

0:33:09.320 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>to watch, and you have Tama Bing, Tamara, Shanna Bing, Shannon.

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>You know so, I think in honor of my favorite

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Deshney's child record the writings on the wall for Katie,

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>and I think you're a bugaboo that is not going

0:33:28.240 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 1>to be a survivor. And as I lose my breath,

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I want you to know you are an independent woman

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:38.040
<v Speaker 1>and you're going to have to get another job to

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>pay your bills, bills, bills.

0:33:40.200 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I have to tell you. After that, I'm feeling

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:47.080
<v Speaker 2>so good, so good, so good.

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:50.240
<v Speaker 1>Shout off Candy bars who.

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.280
<v Speaker 2>Because now we have Katie as an example of Noela.

0:33:55.360 --> 0:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Do you think that it's a very white show? Do

0:33:57.720 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 2>you think that the more diverse housewives who've come into

0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:04.719
<v Speaker 2>OC haven't been able to sort of find footing for

0:34:04.760 --> 0:34:06.000
<v Speaker 2>some reason because of that?

0:34:07.160 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Have you been to the OC? It's not honey,

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:15.360
<v Speaker 1>I've been to OC several times. I have always been

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>thy black persons at the restaurants. OC is not diverse.

0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 1>It is New York City diverse, right, Like, that's why

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>we have a multicultural cast of New York City. Right,

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Let's have a real conversation. OC is not the most

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:37.279
<v Speaker 1>diverse town in the world, and I think it's just

0:34:37.600 --> 0:34:44.359
<v Speaker 1>hard to find a group of genuine, real friends that

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:50.680
<v Speaker 1>have history that also speaks to that town. I think again,

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 1>the reason why Jen works is because Jen gives me oc.

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.719
<v Speaker 1>Gina gives me oc. Yes, the long am accent, but

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:02.799
<v Speaker 1>it's like she's still represents to me. I think when

0:35:02.800 --> 0:35:05.720
<v Speaker 1>it came to Noela, I like Noela. I think Noela

0:35:05.880 --> 0:35:11.520
<v Speaker 1>was too dehydrated to be normal. I think she has

0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.560
<v Speaker 1>so much potential, but I think she was beyond thirsty.

0:35:14.640 --> 0:35:16.440
<v Speaker 1>I think she tried so hard to make a moment

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.560
<v Speaker 1>and it didn't work for her. Not to mention the

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:20.640
<v Speaker 1>husband left her for the whole thing, she.

0:35:20.560 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Needed a better producer.

0:35:21.719 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 1>In my perspective, yeah, like she had it, so I

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.080
<v Speaker 1>would say I think Noela would have worked, But it's

0:35:28.280 --> 0:35:32.399
<v Speaker 1>Katie to me based on these episodes, and if I'm

0:35:32.440 --> 0:35:36.320
<v Speaker 1>wrong after the season, I will do a retraction. Okay,

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:41.359
<v Speaker 1>As of today, I just don't think Katie is a

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:45.879
<v Speaker 1>reality star. And I think it's okay to say that

0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 1>you are a beautiful, great wife, mom woman when it

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.919
<v Speaker 1>comes to a reality star.

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and by the way, that's a huge compliment sometimes

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 2>because it's like, congratulations, you're not nuts.

0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 1>Like yeah, yeah. Her husband seemed like such a nice guy.

0:36:07.360 --> 0:36:10.680
<v Speaker 1>He seems so. Her daughter is beautiful, and so I

0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 1>guess the great mom. Her daughter is like well rounded

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and just so like cool and chill and smart. I

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>don't see it. I don't see it. I just don't

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:20.359
<v Speaker 1>see it.

0:36:20.680 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Carlos, I have a question for you that I've been

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:24.560
<v Speaker 2>dying to ask you as I've been listening weekend and

0:36:24.600 --> 0:36:27.160
<v Speaker 2>week out, and it's as it's the producer, Carlos, that

0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:31.919
<v Speaker 2>I'd like to speak to the reality with the King host.

0:36:32.200 --> 0:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>So for years on the show, we have talked about

0:36:35.280 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 2>the fact that Shannon has a drinking problem, right, other

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 2>women have said it before. We've been watching the you know,

0:36:41.840 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 2>roll the footage, We've seen the montages for dealing with

0:36:44.680 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 2>this thing. Now she gets into this big dui and

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 2>she comes back and she really wants to fix things.

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, as a producer, you're in the production seat

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 2>and you're watching somebody in this how much responsibility do

0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:02.240
<v Speaker 2>you feel to sort of guide her in the right path.

0:37:03.360 --> 0:37:06.280
<v Speaker 2>And I'm also curious what you think the network feels

0:37:06.280 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 2>about this, especially in the reality reckoning world. Do you

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.040
<v Speaker 2>think that they feel as though we want to give

0:37:14.080 --> 0:37:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Shannon all the tools we can for her to succeed

0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:21.399
<v Speaker 2>and sort of redeem herself in the midst of this

0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:22.479
<v Speaker 2>really terrible thing.

0:37:23.800 --> 0:37:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And that's a very good question. As a producer,

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:33.319
<v Speaker 1>you want the best for your cast and it's a

0:37:33.320 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 1>fine line of following the reality, and it's a fine

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:41.400
<v Speaker 1>line with stepping in the reality because you can't get

0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:45.279
<v Speaker 1>in trouble or even trying to do the right thing right.

0:37:45.320 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 1>So let's just say, for example, you see a cast

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>member doing too much, the right thing is to tell

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:54.200
<v Speaker 1>them to stop, right like, hey, stop, you're doing too much,

0:37:54.520 --> 0:37:56.320
<v Speaker 1>or you have too much a drink. How about you

0:37:56.400 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 1>pause for a second. But then the the reality star

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>can't turn around and say that, you know, you're accusing

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:07.279
<v Speaker 1>me of something I didn't do. You're embarrassing me. You

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:09.680
<v Speaker 1>know that's not whatever if you can get in trouble

0:38:09.719 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 1>for that too, it's a very fine line. I think

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 1>everybody involved because Shanna has been on that show for

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:20.399
<v Speaker 1>so long, I think everybody involved in that really wants

0:38:20.400 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 1>to see her do well. And my belief is that

0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.279
<v Speaker 1>she has people who work on the show who may

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.240
<v Speaker 1>say to her, take care of yourself. I do believe

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:34.680
<v Speaker 1>that because there's so much history with her, Do you

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:37.040
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? It's one of those things where

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>you will be a heartless person to work with somebody

0:38:43.400 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 1>as long as Shannon has been on the show, and

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.720
<v Speaker 1>one thing about the OC, a lot of those producers

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.960
<v Speaker 1>have been on since day one. I would be shocked

0:38:50.960 --> 0:38:55.160
<v Speaker 1>if not one producer have said to her, hmm, maybe

0:38:55.160 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>you shouldn't. That's why I will always go with is

0:38:59.560 --> 0:39:03.920
<v Speaker 1>that person since choice, and you can work to guide

0:39:03.960 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 1>them in the right direction. However, when you are a producer,

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 1>it is a fine line because you don't want the

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 1>backlash from the reality star saying you're making them feel uncomfortable.

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't have a problem. Who are they

0:39:20.480 --> 0:39:23.279
<v Speaker 1>to judge you? Are you not even judging them, just

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 1>saying like, maybe you've had enough. But again, it all

0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 1>depends on if that individual day is ready to receive

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>that sort of FEEDA.

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:37.840
<v Speaker 2>That's a really good point because as you're saying this,

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking of people who I want to see redemptions

0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 2>for who don't seem really willing to feel that yet

0:39:44.080 --> 0:39:47.239
<v Speaker 2>And so we haven't gotten there yet with them. But

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<v Speaker 2>I totally agree with you when you're saying that it's

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<v Speaker 2>all fascinating. And I say this, of course with nothing

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<v Speaker 2>but love and respect for all of these people. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I always say, it's the hardest thing in the world

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<v Speaker 2>to do this show. I would never want to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>If you threw a glass of wine in my face,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd apologize you. I'd say, I'm so sorry that it

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<v Speaker 2>made you throw a glass of wine in my face.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what I did. Like, you have to

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<v Speaker 2>really put your life out there in a way that

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<v Speaker 2>I think is hard, and you were obviously judged by

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<v Speaker 2>the audience at every turn, and it's difficult and the network,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, in these days, this question of their personal

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility into what's happening is a hard thing that I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we haven't really discussed as a generation. If

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<v Speaker 2>you think about reality TV is only twenty five years old, basically.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you know, that's for the for what it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the real world was before that, but Survivor

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of what pushed it into the cultural zegeist

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<v Speaker 2>and what we call modern reality TV. And there's still

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<v Speaker 2>so much to explain and to understand and to unpack

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about the long term effects it has

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<v Speaker 2>on people. So it's changing every day, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>the network still understanding. Would the network these days film

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<v Speaker 2>a housewife getting evicted from her house like we saw

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<v Speaker 2>a few seasons ago in the OC in the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of Days of Doc. Would we feel that anymore? Or

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<v Speaker 2>is that something that would be too personal and too

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<v Speaker 2>hard for Sack? I don't know. It's like there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many things that I wonder when we look through it

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<v Speaker 2>in the lens of twenty twenty four, what we would do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, Listen. Reality TV has evolved to the point

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<v Speaker 1>where there is a responsibility that you have, right especially

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<v Speaker 1>when you see how someone appearance on the show is being,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, perceived in their own life. It's definitely an

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<v Speaker 1>eye opener nowadays because you have social media, Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>so many eyeballs, not just the viewership, but there's people

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<v Speaker 1>on social media who are now able to tell you

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<v Speaker 1>how they feel instantly. And regardless of how many times

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<v Speaker 1>you tell a reality starting not to read the comments,

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to read it. You know they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>read it, and they're going to call day and complain

0:41:58.080 --> 0:42:00.520
<v Speaker 1>todave about why what did I do? Why do people

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<v Speaker 1>hate me so much? Or or you know, it is

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<v Speaker 1>what it is. I beg you, so I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I beg them not to. I beg them. I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't listen to any of the negative comments, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can't listen to any of the positive comments, ignore

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<v Speaker 2>them all. I beg them. My dream is that every

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<v Speaker 2>reality star would be banned from having a social.

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<v Speaker 1>Media no for real, Like you know, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>one woman who I love that gets a lot of hate,

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<v Speaker 1>Giselle Bryant does not read a comment, doesn't care. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not on Twitter, she posts her pictures or TikTok, and

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<v Speaker 1>you've never seen her have a social media argument with

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<v Speaker 1>a troll or a fellow cast member. She ignores it all.

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<v Speaker 1>And I really do implore a lot of reality stars

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<v Speaker 1>to at least try that, And I promise you you

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<v Speaker 1>would have a much pleasant time while this show was airing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I completely agree. I tell them the exact same

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<v Speaker 2>thing when it comes to Gazelle. Championed her for that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I took her own advice. I deleted every one

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<v Speaker 2>of my social media pages about a year ago. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been living without it and my life is a lot easier.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not stressed out about what people think about me,

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<v Speaker 2>or I'm not comparing myself to anyone else. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>sort of living my life and it feels really nice

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<v Speaker 2>to not have to worry about that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I implored people on social media to recognize that

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<v Speaker 2>you're not seeing everything and that react to the things

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<v Speaker 2>that you want to react to. I understand you have opinions.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to hear your opinion. That's my opinion. We

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<v Speaker 2>get it. But like there is a line. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's saying that somebody should kill themselves. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>saying somebody, yeah, the worst people are they should lose

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<v Speaker 2>their jobs, or they should rot in hell, or their

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<v Speaker 2>daughters should never speak to them, like things that are

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of gross. It just makes it's just for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It says so much more about your character than it

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<v Speaker 2>says about theirs.

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