1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 1: Hey rain Drops. Yes, so I finally got merch. That's right. 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: You can buy your Allegedly and my Boys mugs, T shirts, 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 1: rain Drops, hoodies and T shirts all on Carlos Kingshop 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: dot com. That's right. Get your hoodies, your T shirts, 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: and your mugs all on Carlos Kingshop dot com. Welcome 6 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: to Reality with the King. It's me Carlos kings the 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,280 Speaker 1: King of Reality TV and one of the most sought 8 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: after executive producers in reality television with over ten years 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: a production experience. Twice a week on Reality with the King, 10 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: we'll sit down with my friends across the entertainment industry, 11 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: recap our favorite reality shows, and revisit unforgettable moments that 12 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: we are still talking and tweeting about. Hey rain Drops. 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: On today's episode, The King Reunited and it feels so good. 14 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: I am here with my personal friend who I am 15 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: obsessed with. I love him dearly. He's a fellow journalist. Hey, 16 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: Portia and Honey. He is the quintessential journalist that not 17 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: only knows everything, he knows the stories, and just like me, 18 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: he loves all the girls. Give it up for Damn 19 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: Cronkite aka Dany Quinn. 20 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: Hey, Carlos, so glad to be here with you. 21 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: As always, I am so happy to be here with you. 22 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: You're one of my closest friends who I love, love, love, 23 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: love love, and we have a lot to talk about, 24 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: So let's just get right into it. OC is on 25 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: fire this season. 26 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: It's good. It's real good, Dave. 27 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: I cannot get enough of it. I want to inject 28 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: it in my veins like my vitamin D my my, 29 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: my K one. I want, I want all of the 30 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: medication that is the OC. So why do you think 31 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: this season is like so freaking good? 32 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: Well, I think that it's a case of all the 33 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: ladies coming to work. They all showed up ready to work, 34 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: ready to do their jobs, ready to participate. I feel 35 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: like Emily and Gina specifically are now operating on a 36 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: level of where they've really shown that they are actually, 37 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: you know, full time players here and they're participating in 38 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: the best sorts of ways. Of course, Tamra, I think 39 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: elevated everyone's game last season. Heather is having a great 40 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: season so far, and of course, you know, Shannon is 41 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 2: just soaking up the stardom in the midst of the 42 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: of the storyline. Everywhere, so it's working. I think on 43 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 2: a lot of levels. There's good villains, there's good drama. 44 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: It's pretty crystal clear for everyone. And I think it's 45 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: I think it's why it's doing so well. It so much. 46 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I agree with every single thing you said. 47 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: So when it comes to Shannon, let's have a real conversation. 48 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: I mean, wow, I mean, I think that's the only 49 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: word I can use describe what I'm witnessing to come 50 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: to Shannon. The fact that here we are talking about 51 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: her ex boyfriend suing her for seventy five thousand dollars, 52 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: although three hundred and seventy five dollars of those was 53 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: spent on his Parragamo shoes. Right, So you know, what 54 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: do you do? What do you what do you make 55 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: of that? Because I had John Janssen on my podcast 56 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: with Alexis Shannon, you have to come on my podcast 57 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: too sweetpee to you know, answer their questions. But what 58 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 1: do you make of that? Is that a bitch move 59 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: on John's part? Or hey, if you owe the money, honey, 60 00:03:58,440 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: pony up. 61 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: Well, I guess I would ask do we have a 62 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: problem when when Vicky sued Brooks to get the money 63 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: back for the teeth that she paid for him. I 64 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 2: think we were all really supportive of that move in 65 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: the same way. So I'm not really sure what the 66 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: issue is in this case, you know. I think that 67 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 2: Shannon did something where she's talked very openly about the 68 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,480 Speaker 2: fact that she paid for a lot of John's life 69 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 2: in the beginning of their relationship, and I think that 70 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 2: that's more of a Shannon problem and that's a John problem. 71 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 2: Like I think that that's really in my experience with 72 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: Shannon and John, my experience, you know, knowing her, she 73 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: is somebody who really throws money at people. She likes 74 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: to pay for things, she likes to treat people. That's 75 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: the way that she shows her love and her affection. 76 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 2: And I think that she got frustrated with that for 77 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: a long time because she was the only one doing it. 78 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: I get it. I was in a relationship where I 79 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 2: was constantly doing one thing and the other person wasn't 80 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: doing that, and I started getting frustrated about it too. 81 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: But I never asked for that, I never exp it back, 82 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 2: and until I started asking for it. Once I did, 83 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 2: then I started getting it. I think when Shannon started 84 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: vocalizing to John what her issue is that's when things 85 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 2: changed in their relationship. And now they weren't even dating 86 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 2: when he gave her this money, you know what I mean, 87 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 2: Like they were no longer together. So I can understand 88 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 2: why he feels frustrated about the fact that all of 89 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 2: this is going out there. It just feels like there's 90 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: pieces of the puzzle that is missing in the narrative 91 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 2: of what we're seeing on TV. 92 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I agree with that because, I mean, sony 93 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars is a lot of money. Yeah, you 94 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean, that's I mean, I need to 95 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: understand exactly what that money was being used for, Like, 96 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: do you have a clue exactly what the sort of 97 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: like things he was doing that warrned it seventy five 98 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. 99 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 2: It was definitely the plastic surgery was a big part 100 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 2: of it. And then I think the other money was too, 101 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: perhaps float some other expenses that she was dealing with. 102 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 2: You know, she's been open about the fact that her 103 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: company isn't really making money and she's floating that still 104 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 2: and that's at a loss, you know, other expenses that 105 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 2: she's dealing with in her life. I think that she 106 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 2: needed his support on and he was there to help her. 107 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 2: He was also there, I think, you know, after the accident. 108 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 2: I think he housed her for ten days and took 109 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: care of her after her duy. So there's a lot 110 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 2: more that I think John has done than we really 111 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: see now. At the same time, I have so much 112 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 2: compassion for what Shina's going through. We went through breakups 113 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: similarly this year, her and I, and if my ex 114 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:39,320 Speaker 2: was on you know, we started a job at People 115 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 2: magazine Dayton one of my coworkers, i'd have an issue 116 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 2: with it. It would be upsetting to me, and I 117 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 2: really feel for her and what she's dealing with. But 118 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: this situation, you know, from what we've read and what 119 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 2: we've reported on, she had agreed to give the money back, 120 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: but had required that he signed an NDA that he 121 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: not know disparage her at all. And I think that 122 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 2: that was a big point of contention for him, because 123 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: she obviously has been disparaging him NonStop, right and he 124 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 2: at that point hadn't said anything. So I can understand 125 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 2: why he wasn't interested in signing that. This idea that 126 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: it's extortion, I can see that, but I don't really 127 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: think it is. I don't really think he's trying to 128 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: extort her. 129 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, listen, I don't think he's trying to extort 130 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: her either. I think at the end of the day, 131 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: is what you said. If someone loans you money to 132 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: get elect of plastic surgery and you choose not to 133 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: call doctor Debreu, Like, what's the do you know what 134 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: I mean? Like, what's the point of a friending habit 135 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: of debro if you can't use her husband for the 136 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: plastic surgery at all? 137 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: Hello? 138 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: Like like hello, talk about a discount that I need, 139 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So the fact that she 140 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: decided to get this plastic surgery, again, that's her business. 141 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: But it's still money that was given to you and 142 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: if and that's again that's a lot of money. I 143 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: don't see it as extortion. What I do see it 144 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: as is this. I think John is fed up. I 145 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: think John is fed up with Shannon running with his 146 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: narrative that he did not contribute to anything, because, again, 147 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: based on what Emily and Gina and Heather has said, 148 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: Shannon always told these ladies that she pays for everything. 149 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: That's that's and pretty much that John doesn't pony up nothing. 150 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: And I think John, being a man, maybe his egoist bruise. 151 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 1: I think he's fed up with Shannon having a platform 152 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: where she gets to talk shady about him whenever she can, 153 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: and I think John is trying to teach her a lesson. 154 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: Now with that being said, is that right? I mean, 155 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: I'm not the judge or the jurid that's a camera 156 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: but but intended. But I do think a large part 157 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: of his grievances and not accepting the settlement is because 158 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: he is fed up with her and he's trying to 159 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: teach her a lesson. And sadly, and this is where 160 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: I am on Shannon's side, I think the timing could 161 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: not have been worse considering she is going through the aptomatic. 162 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: I completely agree. And I have to wonder whether there's 163 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 2: any sort of I don't know anything legally, but was 164 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: there like a timeline that you have to sort of 165 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 2: file by a certain time. Is there a statue of 166 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: limitations where he wouldn't get it, because I don't really 167 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: understand why he filed. In the midst of all this, 168 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 2: John has oftentimes talked about the fact that he wants 169 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 2: nothing to do with this and wants to be out 170 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: of the spotlight sort of thing right, but this only 171 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,079 Speaker 2: makes him more of the storyline. And listen, you have 172 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: been in this business for a long time working with 173 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 2: these women. The house husband is a thankless role. Okay, 174 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 2: you don't get paid. First of all, nobody's coming into 175 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: your pocket, so you're not getting paid. And I remember 176 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 2: talking to John right when he was dating Shannon, before 177 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 2: he ever appeared on the show. We had dinner and 178 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: I the three of us, and I said to John, listen, 179 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: if you go on the show, it's your job to 180 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 2: smile and shut up. It's to say and when Shannon 181 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: complaint complains to you, oh this one, I hate this one. 182 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: I hate that one. You say, I'm so sorry you're 183 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 2: going through this money, and you smile and you shut up, right, 184 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: and you're just there to support her and not really 185 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: get involved. I think the best house husbands that we've 186 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 2: seen over the years have really followed in that path. 187 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: And he made the mistake of running his mouth a 188 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 2: little bit, and now I think he's desperately behind the 189 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: scenes trying to control something that I mean, the toothpaste 190 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: side of the pace thing right. You can't get it 191 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 2: back in it's done, so you just kind of have 192 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: to let it be. And I understand that people really 193 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 2: struggle when there's a perspective, a perception of you out 194 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: there that's not true to who you think you are 195 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: or how you think things played out. But certainly Alexis 196 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 2: coming in and sort of being the spokesperson for him 197 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 2: is not going well. 198 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: We have to talk about that. I like Alexis. I 199 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: think Alexis great television. It's not going as well as 200 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: maybe she hoped it would because the only thing that 201 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: they're showing her talk about, right is John is Shannon. 202 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: And when it comes to Alexis, Listen, I don't like 203 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 1: the fact that if there's a video of a ring 204 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: camera where Shanna is doing something while she's drunk, I 205 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: do think is very tasteless to not only show it, 206 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: I think it's takes lists to threaten to show it, dude, 207 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't like that you can't 208 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: kick a woman while she's down. And listen, Shannon made 209 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: the choice to hop in the car inebriate it' that 210 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: was her choice. She obviously is paying the consequences for it, right. So, 211 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: and we'll get to the other half in the second 212 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: about her containment drinking. But I think the notion of 213 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: threatening to show a video or even telling the women 214 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: you have one, I just think that's. 215 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 2: Like, I completely agree. I think it's totally low and 216 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 2: she does not deserve that. And listen, I mean this 217 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: whole thing, this this episode where the women were sort 218 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: of surrounding Shannon and saying, it's too much that you're 219 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: going through this. It's too much that this is happening. 220 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 2: A lot of the things that have been said in 221 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: confessional from Gina and Emily being very supportive of Shannon, 222 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: like it, you know, it sucks that she has to 223 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: deal with her ex, her ex boyfriend new girlfriend on 224 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 2: the show. That for me is so interesting because all 225 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: those complaints are not really about Alexis, and it's they're 226 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: more about the show, right, Because let's be honest, Alexis 227 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: is not hanging out with these people because she likes them. 228 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: She's hanging out with these people because the network and 229 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 2: the producers cast her to be back on the show. 230 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: That's why she's in this friend group again. And allegedly 231 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: that all happened well before she was dating John. The 232 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 2: timing couldn't be worse, but all this to be set 233 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 2: allegedly as you always say. But all she said is like, 234 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: I think it's so fascinating that they're really talking about 235 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 2: the show itself. The complaint is about the show. It's 236 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: too much that she is here, that this is happening 237 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: while the cameras are rolling on the show, and that 238 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 2: is something that I feel like is getting lost in 239 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 2: the translation with the viewers. They seem to really hate 240 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: Alexis for the fact that she's there. But she's not 241 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 2: there on her own will. She's there because they hired her, right, 242 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: you know, she's not like she's just it's not like Tameras. 243 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 2: It's like, yo, Alexis, come hang out with me. It's like, 244 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: oh no, this is my job and I'm showing up 245 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 2: to work today. 246 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, she has a contract. Like, she has a contract. 247 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: She's getting paid to be there and listen, she's doing 248 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: her job. So I don't understand the Alexis hate in 249 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: the sense of she's there to work. It's the same 250 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: reason why some of these viewers hate Tamra. Tamra is 251 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 1: there to work, you know, like it's that simple. So 252 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: when it comes to Alexis, she's there doing her job. Now, 253 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: with that being said, I do think listen the perfect 254 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: world for me. I would love to see a scene 255 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: where Shannon and Alexis have a one on one and 256 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: I would love for Alexis to say, look, as a 257 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: woman and a mother, I just want you to know 258 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 1: I have sympathy for you, like I don't wish this 259 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: on anybody. Obviously, you and John are going through your 260 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: situation and starting today, moving forward, I'm not going to 261 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: involve myself like I want her to do that, but 262 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure if that's ever going through. 263 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you a question, as a producer, 264 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 2: do you think there's a producer saying that to her? 265 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: Like Alexis, maybe you should come in and say this. 266 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: You know what I would This is the thing Alexis 267 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: is firing off all cylinders, like she's coming in like 268 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: a bet out of hell. Like when I look at Alexis, 269 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: I look at somebody who, Yes, she loves John, and 270 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: we're not going to take that away from her. But 271 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: I do get the sense too that somebody is putting 272 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: some gas, you know what I'm saying in her chamber. Yeah, 273 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: but okay, yeah, I feel like I feel like there's 274 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: somebody who's pushing her to do it. Who that person 275 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: is I don't know, but she's so fired up. And 276 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: if you are to be seen as this Chris, you know, 277 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: this god fearing woman, then for me it's sort of like, 278 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: can we at least see a little bit of sympathy 279 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: out of you because we're talking strictly about Shannon and Alexis. 280 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: Unless I'm wrong and I missed it, Shannon has not 281 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: said anything disparaging about Alexis, and I feel like everything 282 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: is about John and Alexis is reacting base on the 283 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: things that John is saying. 284 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not working in that sense. It's so strange, 285 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: and the viewers are really anti Alexis. They really really 286 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 2: hate her, and I think it's interesting. I mean, I'm 287 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: paying attention to a lot of that because when it 288 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: first came out that Alexis was dating John, I remember 289 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 2: being online and everyone was like, I need Andy in 290 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: the camera. I can't wait to see what shan Shannon's 291 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: will lose it. This is going to be incredible, Like 292 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 2: people were salivating to see it, and now it's so 293 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: interesting that they're seeing it. They have so much sympathy 294 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 2: for Shannon and so much hatred for Alexis, even though 295 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: this is what they wanted. You know, you have Megan 296 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: McCain saying how mean she is and Melissa Perraic Griffin 297 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: dissing her on the View, like people really are anti her, 298 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 2: and I don't. For me, I don't understand it. It's like, 299 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 2: this is what you wanted, this is what you were 300 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 2: asking for and had been asking for for a while. 301 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: I remember when Lisa Retta was on Beverly Hills and 302 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 2: they were begging Nicolette Sheridan to come on the show. 303 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 2: I remember when David Bador got remarried and they were 304 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,239 Speaker 2: begging for her wife, the new wife, to come on. 305 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 2: Oh see, Like the fans seemed to want that, right 306 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 2: They rallied behind Sweet Tea when she came on and 307 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: married to Medicine and they had to watch her with quad. 308 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 2: That's sort of what they want. But now that we're 309 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 2: in it, we don't seem to want it. So I 310 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 2: guess I don't really I don't know where to place 311 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 2: the blame. Is the blame on Alexis, Is the blame 312 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 2: on producers? Is the blame on the network? Where did 313 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 2: this all go wrong that the audience is so unhappy? 314 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: Yes? Well, good question. The audience doesn't know what they want, 315 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: they get it, do you know what I mean? Again, 316 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: it's the same audience who did not want Tamra and 317 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 1: we had to deal with a season without her, which 318 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: was it's news. So it's one of those things I 319 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 1: always tell the audience. At the end of the day, 320 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 1: you want to be entertained, and it is okay to 321 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: have strong feelings about somebody. But when you have those 322 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 1: strong convictions, it's because you are invested in the show 323 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: and the storylines. So without that, you are left with 324 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: the OC two years ago, which was unwatchable. And then 325 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: you guys not only begged for Tamar to leave, you 326 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: guys beg for her to come back. And now that 327 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: she's back and she's in Shannon's ass this season, you 328 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: guys are also wanting Tamra to go. So what is 329 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: it that you want? Do you want to watch a 330 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,199 Speaker 1: show where Heather is in her Beverly Hills home with 331 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: her kids and Josh Altman like, I'm not trying to 332 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: watch that every week. I think it's great to see it. 333 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: I like seeing Heather's wealth, but I like to also 334 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: see these women have real conversations and what Shannon is 335 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 1: going through is real. Speaking of which, when it comes 336 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 1: to Shannon's sobriety, right one thing you and I are 337 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: are are definitely on the same page as you can't 338 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: tell somebody how to operate when it comes to their 339 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: own sobriety. You can't force someone to stop drinking. Everything 340 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: has to be in that own person's line, right in 341 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: their own poson's time. I've said this on the show before. Listen, 342 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: when it comes to Shannon, I'm not here to judge her. 343 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm not here to tell her to stop drinking. That's 344 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 1: that's a choice she has to make. When she showed 345 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: Ether that picture of her with the blood on her face, 346 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: it stopped me in my tracks because it was so 347 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: it was so disheartening to see it, and it was 348 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: jarring to see, but it was also sort of like, 349 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: I guess for me, I was sort of like, I 350 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,440 Speaker 1: don't know, Shannon. I think this picture, if in my opinion, 351 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: could be seen as a wake up hall of like 352 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: maybe there is something there to where the two drink 353 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: minimum may not be the best for her based solely 354 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: off of just like seeing that that photo. Where do 355 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:43,399 Speaker 1: you think Shannon is. 356 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 2: Spoken to her about this a lot? And you know, 357 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 2: she really still maintains that she did not have a 358 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 2: drinking problem, does not have a drinking problem, that it 359 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:58,479 Speaker 2: was a picker problem, shout out j Low, that it 360 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: was a picker problem, that she felt like she was 361 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 2: focused on the wrong people. Now, she wasn't with John 362 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 2: the night of her duy up until the end of it. 363 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 2: You know, she had been out drinking prior to that, 364 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: and then went to his house and then got into 365 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 2: the accident afterwards. She didn't drink at his house. So 366 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 2: the alcohol I think she was three times I legal limit. 367 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: That was all before John was around. So there's clearly 368 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 2: a lot stemming from her anger towards him or whatever 369 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: was happening in the relationship at the time, or whatever 370 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 2: she was dealing with. She was self medicating, that's what 371 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 2: she's all said now. Carlos, I am eleven years sober. 372 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 2: Thank you, very recovering alcoholic. I am active in program. 373 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 2: I am very grateful for my alcoholism and very grateful 374 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 2: for my recovery. I have been in lots of meetings before, 375 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 2: I have done this for a long time. You definitely 376 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: are right in saying you cannot tell someone that they 377 00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: have a problem. They have to come up with that 378 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: on their own, and I think that Shannon is working 379 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: through those feelings on her own and she has decided 380 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 2: she doesn't have an issue. But I want to speak 381 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,959 Speaker 2: a little bit to Tamra and sort of the anger 382 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 2: and the hate that she's getting as well, because I've 383 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 2: been in so many meetings with so many addicts who 384 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: have talked about the tough love that they have gotten 385 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 2: from people in their lives that have actually really helped 386 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 2: them and opened their eyes. And the audience again seems 387 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 2: to be very loudly saying, you don't kick someone when 388 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: they're down, You don't do this, You don't speak to 389 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 2: someone like this, you can't. And I agree that it's 390 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 2: really harsh what we've been seeing from Tamra, But I 391 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: just want to say, as an addict, it's not the 392 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 2: worst thing to have someone talk to you like that 393 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: sometimes that sometimes it could be really helpful to open 394 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 2: your eyes and clean things up. I spoke to Tamra 395 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 2: and she said that she had a deep conversation with 396 00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 2: Shannon allegedly, and after seeing that photo, also talk to 397 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: her about listen, I think this is a rock bottom 398 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,919 Speaker 2: moment for you, and you know, maybe this is the 399 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,719 Speaker 2: eye opener that you need, and that Shannon said all 400 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: those things to her that yes, I need help, and 401 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 2: I realized I can't keep going like this, YadA, YadA, YadA. 402 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: But then days later was talking negatively about Tamara allegedly 403 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 2: and saying, you know, I don't have a problem. She 404 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: has a problem, and Gina has a problem, and all 405 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: these other people have problems. Right, So I can see 406 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: where Tamar's frustration comes and where she's put down this 407 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: boundary to say I'm no longer dealing with this with someone. 408 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 2: There's a lot of complicated emotions, and we all really 409 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 2: see it so black and white, right, But I'm here 410 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: to say, like, there's so much gray in this. And 411 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: I have been in rooms with addicts who have done 412 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 2: way worse things than Shannon the door and have had 413 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: people who have allowed them to do that over and 414 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: over and over again by always keeping the door open, 415 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 2: and they've really harmed a lot of people. And I've 416 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 2: had other people who I know who've had families cut 417 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 2: them off and it has given them the wake up 418 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 2: call that they needed to get help. It doesn't seem 419 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,119 Speaker 2: to be helping Shannon in this case, but I also don't. 420 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 2: I don't. Just as like I don't judge Shannon for 421 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 2: her drinking, I don't judge Tamra for putting down that boundary. 422 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: I could not agree with you more. Everybody situation is different. 423 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: There are people who are alcoholics or addicts who need 424 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: tough love. One thing I said about podcast to Dave 425 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: is we have to understand that Tamra has seen more 426 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: than we have seen as viewers, and I think that 427 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: gets lost on the audience. Right, they were on tour together. 428 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,400 Speaker 1: They've been best friends for I think about a decade 429 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: at this point, if not longer. They Tamra have seen 430 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: a lot. They talked about talking on the phone every 431 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: single day. Tamar knows a lot, and I think Tamra's delivery, Yes, 432 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: it is sometimes darring, but I think you we have 433 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: to take a step back and realize they were best 434 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,159 Speaker 1: friends and Tamara knows more than we would ever know. 435 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: And she is choosing to go this route because the 436 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: other route did not work like the Vickie route. Right 437 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: is Oh, she's fine, She's okay, it's all good. Libra 438 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: alone Again, that's Vickie's reality. I think that was Tamra's 439 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: for so long and it didn't work. And I think 440 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: Tamar is showing tough love because sometimes that's what you need. 441 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: The biggest thing is going to be what Shannon feels 442 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,239 Speaker 1: she needs. And my hope for Shannon at the end 443 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: of the day is to quiet and drawn off the 444 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: noise and sit with herself and really ask yourself the 445 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: tough questions and do something about whatever results come after 446 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: having that. I really want the best board Shannon. I 447 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: think we all do. And I think again, when I 448 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: saw that photo Dave, I was like, Yeah, this is deep, 449 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: this is deep, and hopefully that is her rock bottom. 450 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's really taking it seriously in the sense 451 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: that I can see that she knows that what she 452 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 2: did was wrong, that she's taking responsibility for it, that 453 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: she's really being very hard on herself. Which is a 454 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: big part of this, I'll just say is through my 455 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 2: own addiction, it's it's a big that guilt, that shame, 456 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 2: that that anger that you have internally is really difficult 457 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: to deal with. It took me a long time to 458 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: forgive myself and I'm still working to forgive myself for 459 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,520 Speaker 2: certain things I do. I did rather in the height 460 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: of my addiction or my my issues. I would also 461 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: say that a big part of the Progress Through program 462 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,719 Speaker 2: is working through a very important stuff of making amends 463 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 2: to the people in your life who you've harmed through 464 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: your addiction, through your actions. And again, I'm not saying 465 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: that Shannon has a problem, that she's admitted that she 466 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 2: has a problem, but I am understanding through Tamra's lens 467 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 2: that if she feels like she's been really harmed by 468 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 2: being on the phone with somebody constantly who is talking 469 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: to you about the depths of their depression and their 470 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: problems and their and there, and they're perhaps constantly inebriated, 471 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 2: and you don't know what to do and you Tamra 472 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: had said that sometimes I'd hang up the phone and 473 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: it would take me hours to fall asleep because I'd 474 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: be so nervous she could hurt herself. What's going to happen? Right, 475 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: if you're living with that much panic for a long 476 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: time and you're not able to ever get someone to 477 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 2: say I'm so sorry that that harmed you, and I'm 478 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,719 Speaker 2: I'm trying to work with you. It's I understand why 479 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 2: it's hard for that person to move on. I've made 480 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 2: amends to people in my life who have said I 481 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: don't care what you did sucked and I'm never going 482 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,040 Speaker 2: to talk to you again. And I've had to lose 483 00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 2: friends who just said no, I refuse, I refuse, and 484 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 2: that it's hard to live with. But the men's process 485 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,159 Speaker 2: isn't something that Shannon is really doing with Tamra, and 486 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: it's something that Tamra needs that she doesn't even I 487 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: think know how to ask for. 488 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 1: Who. I hate to interrupt, but stay tuned for more. 489 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,160 Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. 490 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. I think Gina is 491 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: having the best season. Honey. I call her Gina all Meade, 492 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: Gina Oppenheim. I call her Gina Tutor. Shout out to Tracy. 493 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: She is the real estate agent to the star. He 494 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: suld be on selling the OC. I am loving I. 495 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 2: Am too, And again it's something. Look, I've always loved Gina. 496 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 2: She's my Strong Island sister. Uh shout out strong. I 497 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: am shout out Long Island as they like to call it. 498 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 2: I have her presence on the show. You know. Again, 499 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 2: there's a lot of interesting things. She's somebody who seems 500 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 2: to be tuned in and working and you know, look, 501 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 2: she maybe in my perspective, for gave Shannon a little 502 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 2: bit too quickly because of the years that Shannon was 503 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 2: sort of going in on Gina. I'm sort of surprised 504 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: that she was able to move past it so quickly. 505 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: But it shows who she is and what her character is, 506 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 2: and she's going through something in a relationship that I 507 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: don't think we've really seen on Housewise before, and I 508 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 2: think it's an interesting dynamic that I enjoy watching play out. 509 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, there's a lot this season 510 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: that's happening, and I'm curious about what those conversations were 511 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 2: like with Katie behind the scenes before Katie showed up. 512 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 2: I'm very interested what comes out of the reunion. 513 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: What do you make of Katie? Because I was gonna 514 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: go there next, but let us go there now? What 515 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: are her thoughts on her? Because I I told the 516 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: rain Drop give me a few weeks, a few episodes, 517 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: until I really am able to, you know, give her, 518 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: and then. 519 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 2: Last week you gave that feedback. I'm not just I'm 520 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: not just a participant in Reality with the King. I'm 521 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: also a listener. I'm a date one Raindrop. I'm the 522 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 2: president of drops. 523 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: Yes you are, Yes you are. Katie is giving all 524 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: on one season one of the Baby. I'm not sure, 525 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: but Dave, what do you think? I hope it's Katie. 526 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 2: You know. When I hear Tamra say that she feels 527 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 2: like Gina set her up, I do kind of wonder 528 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: whether she was a little bit set up to fail, 529 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 2: whether you know, Gina had those conversations with her early 530 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 2: on to say, oh yeah, bring this up, Oh yeah, 531 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 2: that would be good, and then sort of left her 532 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: out to dry. It sort of maybe feels like that 533 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 2: from what I'm sort of reading between the lines the edit. 534 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 2: But that's also on her right, you know, It's like 535 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: you got to know not to just be a parent. 536 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 2: It's difficult. These housewives now come into a show that 537 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: already exists, that they've watched for years. They're aware of 538 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: sort of how they need to act and what they 539 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: need to do, and I think that a lot of 540 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: them struggle to just be themselves. I like, in the 541 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,360 Speaker 2: past couple of episodes that think have been seeing more 542 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,479 Speaker 2: of her personality and I'm sort of enjoying that, But 543 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm not yet sold on whether she's making it one 544 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: or two. 545 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: I think, based on this recent episode, she's a one 546 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: season wonder I and that's no shade to her as 547 00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: a as a human being. I think when it comes 548 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 1: to the OC is such a strong cast. I think 549 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: Jen is such a strong OC housewife who I enjoy watching. 550 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm so intrigued by the dynamic of her and Ryan, 551 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: her ex husband, the dependency on her father, I'm I'm 552 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: I'm investing in all things Jin Katie. I the personal 553 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: story I see it. The thing is this, when she's 554 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 1: on camera, she doesn't shine like she's She's not somebody 555 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: where you instantly are drawn to her. I think at 556 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: best she could have been a friend of Maybe she 557 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: fits better in Beverly Hills because she's Sutton's friend. In 558 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 1: real life, I just don't think she fits this strong 559 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: group of women where you have Emily, you know, reading 560 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: Jin for about and Rolex and telling her to get 561 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: a fucking job. You know what I mean. You have 562 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: Jin who is giving you everything. You have Gina whose 563 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: best season this is. You have Heather who's having a 564 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: great season, who's talking about the you know, inclusivity when 565 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,120 Speaker 1: it comes to like her children, but also being the 566 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: you know, the snobby, bougie OC housewip that we love 567 00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: to watch, and you have Tama Bing, Tamara, Shanna Bing, Shannon. 568 00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: You know so, I think in honor of my favorite 569 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: Deshney's child record the writings on the wall for Katie, 570 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: and I think you're a bugaboo that is not going 571 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 1: to be a survivor. And as I lose my breath, 572 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:34,720 Speaker 1: I want you to know you are an independent woman 573 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: and you're going to have to get another job to 574 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 1: pay your bills, bills, bills. 575 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I have to tell you. After that, I'm feeling 576 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 2: so good, so good, so good. 577 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,240 Speaker 1: Shout off Candy bars who. 578 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: Because now we have Katie as an example of Noela. 579 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 2: Do you think that it's a very white show? Do 580 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: you think that the more diverse housewives who've come into 581 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,719 Speaker 2: OC haven't been able to sort of find footing for 582 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 2: some reason because of that? 583 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: Yes? Have you been to the OC? It's not honey, 584 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,360 Speaker 1: I've been to OC several times. I have always been 585 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: thy black persons at the restaurants. OC is not diverse. 586 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: It is New York City diverse, right, Like, that's why 587 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: we have a multicultural cast of New York City. Right, 588 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: Let's have a real conversation. OC is not the most 589 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: diverse town in the world, and I think it's just 590 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:44,359 Speaker 1: hard to find a group of genuine, real friends that 591 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: have history that also speaks to that town. I think again, 592 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 1: the reason why Jen works is because Jen gives me oc. 593 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: Gina gives me oc. Yes, the long am accent, but 594 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:02,799 Speaker 1: it's like she's still represents to me. I think when 595 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: it came to Noela, I like Noela. I think Noela 596 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: was too dehydrated to be normal. I think she has 597 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 1: so much potential, but I think she was beyond thirsty. 598 00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: I think she tried so hard to make a moment 599 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: and it didn't work for her. Not to mention the 600 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,640 Speaker 1: husband left her for the whole thing, she. 601 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 2: Needed a better producer. 602 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 1: In my perspective, yeah, like she had it, so I 603 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: would say I think Noela would have worked, But it's 604 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,399 Speaker 1: Katie to me based on these episodes, and if I'm 605 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,320 Speaker 1: wrong after the season, I will do a retraction. Okay, 606 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 1: As of today, I just don't think Katie is a 607 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: reality star. And I think it's okay to say that 608 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,440 Speaker 1: you are a beautiful, great wife, mom woman when it 609 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 1: comes to a reality star. 610 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and by the way, that's a huge compliment sometimes 611 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 2: because it's like, congratulations, you're not nuts. 612 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah. Her husband seemed like such a nice guy. 613 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 1: He seems so. Her daughter is beautiful, and so I 614 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: guess the great mom. Her daughter is like well rounded 615 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: and just so like cool and chill and smart. I 616 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: don't see it. I don't see it. I just don't 617 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,359 Speaker 1: see it. 618 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 2: Carlos, I have a question for you that I've been 619 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 2: dying to ask you as I've been listening weekend and 620 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 2: week out, and it's as it's the producer, Carlos, that 621 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 2: I'd like to speak to the reality with the King host. 622 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,280 Speaker 2: So for years on the show, we have talked about 623 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 2: the fact that Shannon has a drinking problem, right, other 624 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 2: women have said it before. We've been watching the you know, 625 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 2: roll the footage, We've seen the montages for dealing with 626 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 2: this thing. Now she gets into this big dui and 627 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 2: she comes back and she really wants to fix things. 628 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 2: I'm curious, as a producer, you're in the production seat 629 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,440 Speaker 2: and you're watching somebody in this how much responsibility do 630 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,240 Speaker 2: you feel to sort of guide her in the right path. 631 00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,280 Speaker 2: And I'm also curious what you think the network feels 632 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: about this, especially in the reality reckoning world. Do you 633 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,040 Speaker 2: think that they feel as though we want to give 634 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 2: Shannon all the tools we can for her to succeed 635 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:21,399 Speaker 2: and sort of redeem herself in the midst of this 636 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,479 Speaker 2: really terrible thing. 637 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: Yes, And that's a very good question. As a producer, 638 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 1: you want the best for your cast and it's a 639 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 1: fine line of following the reality, and it's a fine 640 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: line with stepping in the reality because you can't get 641 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: in trouble or even trying to do the right thing right. 642 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,880 Speaker 1: So let's just say, for example, you see a cast 643 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: member doing too much, the right thing is to tell 644 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,200 Speaker 1: them to stop, right like, hey, stop, you're doing too much, 645 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: or you have too much a drink. How about you 646 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: pause for a second. But then the the reality star 647 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 1: can't turn around and say that, you know, you're accusing 648 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,279 Speaker 1: me of something I didn't do. You're embarrassing me. You 649 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: know that's not whatever if you can get in trouble 650 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,080 Speaker 1: for that too, it's a very fine line. I think 651 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: everybody involved because Shanna has been on that show for 652 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,399 Speaker 1: so long, I think everybody involved in that really wants 653 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: to see her do well. And my belief is that 654 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: she has people who work on the show who may 655 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,240 Speaker 1: say to her, take care of yourself. I do believe 656 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,680 Speaker 1: that because there's so much history with her, Do you 657 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: know what I mean? It's one of those things where 658 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,920 Speaker 1: you will be a heartless person to work with somebody 659 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 1: as long as Shannon has been on the show, and 660 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: one thing about the OC, a lot of those producers 661 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: have been on since day one. I would be shocked 662 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: if not one producer have said to her, hmm, maybe 663 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: you shouldn't. That's why I will always go with is 664 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: that person since choice, and you can work to guide 665 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: them in the right direction. However, when you are a producer, 666 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: it is a fine line because you don't want the 667 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,319 Speaker 1: backlash from the reality star saying you're making them feel uncomfortable. 668 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: You know, you don't have a problem. Who are they 669 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: to judge you? Are you not even judging them, just 670 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 1: saying like, maybe you've had enough. But again, it all 671 00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: depends on if that individual day is ready to receive 672 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: that sort of FEEDA. 673 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,840 Speaker 2: That's a really good point because as you're saying this, 674 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,600 Speaker 2: I'm thinking of people who I want to see redemptions 675 00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,000 Speaker 2: for who don't seem really willing to feel that yet 676 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,239 Speaker 2: And so we haven't gotten there yet with them. But 677 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 2: I totally agree with you when you're saying that it's 678 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 2: all fascinating. And I say this, of course with nothing 679 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 2: but love and respect for all of these people. You know, 680 00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,399 Speaker 2: I always say, it's the hardest thing in the world 681 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 2: to do this show. I would never want to do it. 682 00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 2: If you threw a glass of wine in my face, 683 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,440 Speaker 2: I'd apologize you. I'd say, I'm so sorry that it 684 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 2: made you throw a glass of wine in my face. 685 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 2: I don't know what I did. Like, you have to 686 00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 2: really put your life out there in a way that 687 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 2: I think is hard, and you were obviously judged by 688 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,880 Speaker 2: the audience at every turn, and it's difficult and the network, 689 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,640 Speaker 2: I think, in these days, this question of their personal 690 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 2: responsibility into what's happening is a hard thing that I think, 691 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 2: you know, we haven't really discussed as a generation. If 692 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 2: you think about reality TV is only twenty five years old, basically. 693 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: Right, you know, that's for the for what it. 694 00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 2: I mean, the real world was before that, but Survivor 695 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 2: is kind of what pushed it into the cultural zegeist 696 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,799 Speaker 2: and what we call modern reality TV. And there's still 697 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 2: so much to explain and to understand and to unpack 698 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 2: when you think about the long term effects it has 699 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 2: on people. So it's changing every day, and I think 700 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,440 Speaker 2: the network still understanding. Would the network these days film 701 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 2: a housewife getting evicted from her house like we saw 702 00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 2: a few seasons ago in the OC in the beginning 703 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 2: of Days of Doc. Would we feel that anymore? Or 704 00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 2: is that something that would be too personal and too 705 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 2: hard for Sack? I don't know. It's like there's so 706 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,239 Speaker 2: many things that I wonder when we look through it 707 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,279 Speaker 2: in the lens of twenty twenty four, what we would do. 708 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Listen. Reality TV has evolved to the point 709 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: where there is a responsibility that you have, right especially 710 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:28,080 Speaker 1: when you see how someone appearance on the show is being, 711 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, perceived in their own life. It's definitely an 712 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:36,840 Speaker 1: eye opener nowadays because you have social media, Like there's 713 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 1: so many eyeballs, not just the viewership, but there's people 714 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,640 Speaker 1: on social media who are now able to tell you 715 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 1: how they feel instantly. And regardless of how many times 716 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 1: you tell a reality starting not to read the comments, 717 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: they're going to read it. You know they're going to 718 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: read it, and they're going to call day and complain 719 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,520 Speaker 1: todave about why what did I do? Why do people 720 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: hate me so much? Or or you know, it is 721 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: what it is. I beg you, so I think. 722 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,879 Speaker 2: I beg them not to. I beg them. I said, 723 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 2: you can't listen to any of the negative comments, and 724 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 2: you can't listen to any of the positive comments, ignore 725 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,280 Speaker 2: them all. I beg them. My dream is that every 726 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 2: reality star would be banned from having a social. 727 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,719 Speaker 1: Media no for real, Like you know, you know, the 728 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 1: one woman who I love that gets a lot of hate, 729 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: Giselle Bryant does not read a comment, doesn't care. She's 730 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: not on Twitter, she posts her pictures or TikTok, and 731 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: you've never seen her have a social media argument with 732 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:49,520 Speaker 1: a troll or a fellow cast member. She ignores it all. 733 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,240 Speaker 1: And I really do implore a lot of reality stars 734 00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: to at least try that, And I promise you you 735 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: would have a much pleasant time while this show was airing. 736 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree. I tell them the exact same 737 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 2: thing when it comes to Gazelle. Championed her for that, 738 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 2: and I took her own advice. I deleted every one 739 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 2: of my social media pages about a year ago. I've 740 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,760 Speaker 2: been living without it and my life is a lot easier. 741 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 2: I'm not stressed out about what people think about me, 742 00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 2: or I'm not comparing myself to anyone else. I'm just 743 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,040 Speaker 2: sort of living my life and it feels really nice 744 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,839 Speaker 2: to not have to worry about that sort of thing. 745 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 2: And I implored people on social media to recognize that 746 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 2: you're not seeing everything and that react to the things 747 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:36,320 Speaker 2: that you want to react to. I understand you have opinions. 748 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 2: I want to hear your opinion. That's my opinion. We 749 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,160 Speaker 2: get it. But like there is a line. I think 750 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,239 Speaker 2: it's saying that somebody should kill themselves. You know, it's 751 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 2: saying somebody, yeah, the worst people are they should lose 752 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 2: their jobs, or they should rot in hell, or their 753 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,560 Speaker 2: daughters should never speak to them, like things that are 754 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 2: just kind of gross. It just makes it's just for me. 755 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 2: It says so much more about your character than it 756 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,200 Speaker 2: says about theirs. 757 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Reality with the King. New 758 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,719 Speaker 1: episodes drop on Tuesdays and Thursdays, Share, comment, follow and 759 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:14,080 Speaker 1: subscribe to Reality with the King. 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