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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it put? Oh? My goodness,

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Speaker 1: it's put deandret he put it for a duckdown. You've

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Speaker 1: Problem solved, buck down, Tyler Murray. That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling. Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker

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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc right. Just because we're

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Speaker 1: gonna touch, and I mean touch briefly on the weather

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Speaker 1: off the top of this edition of Cardinals Underground. It

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Speaker 1: does not denote in any way that we don't have

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Speaker 1: anything to talk about. In fact, it's just the opposite.

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Speaker 1: Felipe Carl Junior, who is actually on the edge of

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Speaker 1: his seat. I like that he's ready to go. He's

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Speaker 1: ready to come off the ball, Darren Urban, reclined, actually

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Speaker 1: more relaxed than you should be with a three game

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Speaker 1: home losing streak. I'll be honest, based on your body language,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little concerned that you're not taking it seriously enough.

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Speaker 1: As Christian Kirk told us after the game, we're going

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Speaker 1: to be harsh on ourselves. So maybe a little self

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Speaker 1: scouting over there, Darren Urban. But what you're wearing is

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Speaker 1: where I'm going here on Cardinal's Underground, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Pacific Office Automation, because really, when there's a fifty

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Speaker 1: degree day in Arizona, there are two kinds of Arizona residents,

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Speaker 1: those who have the space heater under their desk and

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Speaker 1: those who do not. Are you the former or are

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Speaker 1: you the ladder? Felipe, I want to say I'm the

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Speaker 1: ladder space You guys have heaters under the desk, I don't.

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Speaker 1: I do not, see, well, yeah you can't. That's why

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Speaker 1: I'm weighing this lovely sweater here. Recommend doing this when

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Speaker 1: someone seated at their desk, but when the desk is

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Speaker 1: not occupied. Walk around and take a look under the

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Speaker 1: desk and see if there's a space heater there or not.

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Speaker 1: You'd be surprised. So wait, wait on what floor? I

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Speaker 1: just want to Uh, well, it depends on where you

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Speaker 1: are in the floor too, because on the third floor

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Speaker 1: there's a couple of places where you probably need it.

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Speaker 1: In other couple places you got But but really, I

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Speaker 1: mean we got lumberjack Filippe over here. I mean he

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Speaker 1: looks like he's about to go chop down some wood himself.

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Speaker 1: So it's not like it's flannel season. You know, I

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Speaker 1: winner because then I can get a little bit more

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Speaker 1: fashionable with the flannels, with the flannels, with the coats

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Speaker 1: and all that. So maybe I need to, you know,

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Speaker 1: give you guys a flannel and see if you guys

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Speaker 1: can wait it. Can you really put the words fashionable

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Speaker 1: and flannel in the same sentence, Of course you can.

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Speaker 1: You came in with somebody Felipe's age, I see the

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Speaker 1: eight Why is fashion always about age? Though? I can easily, Darren,

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Speaker 1: I can dress you up the way I'm dressed up,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna look just as fashionable. You're right, I would.

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Speaker 1: So I'm talking about talking about the fabric. I'm not

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Speaker 1: talking about the age group or the demo. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: about I mean, once upon a time, flannel was like

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Speaker 1: a deep breath because I knew this question was coming

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Speaker 1: as soon as you guys said, that's going to kill himself.

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Speaker 1: Good thing we're not on the third floor, because I'd

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Speaker 1: fling myself out the open window. Right now, let's get

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Speaker 1: all to get all the good news, like DeAndre Hopkins

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Speaker 1: in COVID. Okay, there you go. Well you did it, Darren. Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go. We had a nice little chat going

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Speaker 1: right there, and all of a sudden it got extremely real.

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Speaker 1: What do we know? Well, I mean, right before we,

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Speaker 1: uh we decided to record this podcast DeAndre Hopkins, we

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Speaker 1: find out from Cliff Kingsbury that he's getting a second

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Speaker 1: that just makes you think, like, whoa, this this is

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Speaker 1: not good news. Why don't you just disclose, you know what,

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Speaker 1: what the injury is. I'm not necessarily sure what you're

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Speaker 1: Like why and he's done yeah, I mean he's done

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Speaker 1: Ripping them to shreds probably not a good idea because

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Speaker 1: They did on Monday night against the Rams. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're not used to having the second best quarterback on

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Speaker 1: And I don't say this very often because quite honestly,

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Speaker 1: to dissect and analyze the x's and oh's. But when

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh as Cliff Kingsbury only half joked on his

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Speaker 1: Like something wasn't being adjusted. Why is Isaiah Simmons on

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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup. I know he covers the slot, but it's

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Speaker 1: and something just wasn't there. I'd love to know just

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Speaker 1: watching it field level, how many miscommunications there were among

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Speaker 1: lot of chatter during the game coming off the field,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they weren't switching and communicating according

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Speaker 1: catch him. And then there's a moment and if you

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Speaker 1: watch the replay, where you know when you're running so

429
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Speaker 1: fast that your body kind of like gives up and

430
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Speaker 1: you have like this weird stride at the very end,

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Speaker 1: I'll take your word for it, and yeah, and uh yeah,

432
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 1: I've never actually done it, and and your your body

433
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,960
Speaker 1: just kind of conks out. That's what If you watch

434
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 1: the replay, that's what happened to Eleven Ford. He's sprinting,

435
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: he's so close to Kyler, and then he realizes he's

436
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: just not gonna get there, and his body kind of

437
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: takes this weird stride like I've got to slow down.

438
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,959
Speaker 1: I can't do this. Just watch the replay. Anybody out there,

439
00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: get your get your NFL game pass and watch the replay.

440
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: I guarantee the next snap. Look at the next snap too,

441
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: and Leonard Floyd probably just mailed in the next snap.

442
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: He was so winded at that point, he's just like,

443
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, he got he got Kyler back. I think

444
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: was that later when he did the tip pass to himself,

445
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,920
Speaker 1: which was incredibly athletic. Yes, we're not even talking about

446
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,200
Speaker 1: the catch though. I mean I believe that A. J.

447
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 1: Green had to stop his route and kind of like

448
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: jump backwards and then extend. I believe everything about that

449
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,719
Speaker 1: that specific play is a represent representation of this offense

450
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Speaker 1: when they're at their peak. I mean, honestly, take away

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00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,919
Speaker 1: those two interceptions, this offense is still performed to the

452
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Speaker 1: level that they performed to this entire season. I believe

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00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 1: one of their scoring drive was like three minutes, and

454
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, dang, how does an offense

455
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 1: score that fast? So you take away those two interceptions,

456
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 1: and I do believe we're talking about a completely different game.

457
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: And so what'd you get coming off Monday night football?

458
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: You got all the I told you so moments. Jay Williams,

459
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: we had him on and I was filling in and

460
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 1: had to carry Woolf for four hours. And Jay Williams

461
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Speaker 1: was one of the guests in the whole national ESPN

462
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Speaker 1: morning radio show, and Keishawn Johnson couldn't wait, right, And

463
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Speaker 1: as Jay Williams us a big Cardinals backer and is

464
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Speaker 1: a big believer in the Suns as well, and he

465
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: pretty much forecasted the Suns are gonna be hoisting Larry

466
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 1: O'Brien trophy come June. That's Jay Williams, the former NBA whip,

467
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: and he said he's still a believer in the Cardinals,

468
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: but his assessment is in terms we asked him the

469
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Speaker 1: national narrative and just go ahead and assess nationally, and

470
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: he said people are looking for reasons and ways to

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Speaker 1: doubt the Cardinals, and that Monday night performance, just like

472
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: the Thursday night performance, played right into their hands and

473
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: bolstered their argument. Look, we've said all along and I

474
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: agree with that, and that's kind of how this works.

475
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 1: I walked into the facility Tuesday morning, uh, picked up

476
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: my contact tracer and walking past the cafeteria and there's

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Speaker 1: two giant TVs there. One's always on ESPN and one's

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Speaker 1: always on NFL Network and the ESPN one, I believe

479
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Speaker 1: Keishan was on at the time. One of them, and

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Speaker 1: you know, one of one of the cry ons was

481
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Speaker 1: was basically saying, you know, uh, did the did the

482
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Speaker 1: Rams expose the Cardinals? And then the other one was

483
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Speaker 1: are the Cardinals pretenders or something? Like that, and that's

484
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Speaker 1: what at the same time, that's what these two networks

485
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Speaker 1: were talking about, and that's what gonna happen when you

486
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Speaker 1: when that kind of game happens on national television. And

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Speaker 1: I get that, but I've always felt all along. I mean,

488
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: and it's a much different situation because of where they

489
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: were coming from, and it was more understandable. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals went into the postseason in two thousand and

491
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Speaker 1: eight being called the worst playoff team in history, and

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Speaker 1: they didn't get any kind of props until they actually

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Speaker 1: won the NFC Championship, and then it was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe maybe they are playing pre you know

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Speaker 1: what that two thousand and eight team had though that

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00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one Arizona Cardinals do not. No COVID

497
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: decided to throw well, you guys aren't wrong. But where

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Speaker 1: I was going with this was a proven quarterback and

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Speaker 1: I mean proven, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, So because the

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Speaker 1: other question that is out there is, you know, are

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals in the same class as the Buccaneers and

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Speaker 1: the Packers And obviously you go to Super Bowl winning

503
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 1: MVP winning quarter backs and so until to your point,

504
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: and until the Cardinals prove it in January. And I'm

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Speaker 1: not talking about a seventeen game regular season. I'm talking

506
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Speaker 1: about the postseason until they prove it then, and especially now,

507
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: until they prove it in primetime under the bright lights

508
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: with the country watching. You're right, there's the vast majority

509
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Speaker 1: of people are going to be doubters. There was even

510
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Speaker 1: the local sports poll when we were doing Arizona Sports

511
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Speaker 1: and it was rate your level of concern. This is

512
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Speaker 1: for the Red Sea now, and there were three levels.

513
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: There was defcon one, two and three. There was high concern,

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00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: mild concern, oh no, very little concern. Ninety five percent

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Speaker 1: of the respondents, ostensibly Cardinals fans, said there is some

516
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Speaker 1: level of concern, moderate or high. Only five percent check

517
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Speaker 1: the lowest level of concern. Lels, what's the concern though there?

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're ten and three, they're at the top

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Speaker 1: of the division. They'd be plenty of the I have

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00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: a one game leading the division, they're number three in

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Speaker 1: the playoff seedings. Yeah, but there was just going but

522
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: you already beat the Rams at so far in Week

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Speaker 1: four and it's not like they just beat them by

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Speaker 1: a possession and whatnot. I mean you went into so

525
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: far Stadium and you dominated. That's what frustrates me about

526
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Speaker 1: the national narrative because I mean, I know the game

527
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: was on Monday Night Football, everybody saw him, but that's

528
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: you're talking about an interception away from potentially being in overtime.

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Speaker 1: Compared to that Week four game, where everybody was healthy,

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00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: everybody was on the field. They still had Robert Woods,

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00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: they still had their Daryl Henderson. They I mean, these

532
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: teams are even even, and the Cardinals went and dominated

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Speaker 1: on the road. I mean, why when you compare both games,

534
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: why don't people necessarily talk about that. That's the only

535
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: thing that frustrates frustrates me when I go on the

536
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: national televisions and I see these oh they pretenders and whatnot.

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00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: I mean, Bro, you beat the Rams, you beat the Titans,

538
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: you beat the Browns, you beat all these viable rivals

539
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: that should have them at the top. That's why, I mean,

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00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: it's just one game. I know it's on national television,

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00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: but really wears the concern. Well, the argument to go

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00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: ahead and play We'll do a dramatic reenactment of one

543
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 1: of these arguments. Okay, role play here if you will.

544
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 1: The Cardinals have lost three of their last six, that's correct.

545
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: The Cardinals a year ago lost five of the last seven. Yes,

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00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: so that's where a lot of the prove it. Let's

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00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: see it. Let's see a strong finish to this season. Yes,

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00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: you're ten and three, tie for the best record in

549
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: the NFL. But are you playing your best football right now?

550
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: And that is the key December and January? Who's playing

551
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: the best? I E look at last year when once

552
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: upon a time the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Everybody, Now we're

553
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: seven and five. It's you talk about the national narrative.

554
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: They're gonna have two more significant chances to show the world.

555
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: I mean, Christmas Night, everybody's gonna be watching Colts Cardinals

556
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: and the Cults are a solid team, and you're playing

557
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: at home and that Cowboys game, and I don't care

558
00:28:58,840 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 1: if it stays as an afternoon Sunday game. It's the Cowboys.

559
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: So everybody's going to be paying attention to Cardinals Cowboys

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00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: if you perform well in those games. And I'm assuming

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00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: you beat the lines this weekend, because I guarantee you

562
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: that concerned thing goes up to one hundred percent if

563
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: they lose the lines. Yeah, the website is the traffic

564
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 1: just breaks the website, the Internet. But those two games

565
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: are gonna go a lot towards what people are saying

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Speaker 1: going into the playoffs is how they perform in those

567
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: two games. So you know, well, look, well we'll see

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00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: what happens. I've said this before. This doesn't make an excuse,

569
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: but if they get in the playoffs, we'll see what happens.

570
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: No one was thinking the two thousand and eight Cardinals

571
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: were gonna do jack squat in the playoffs the way

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00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: they ended. You talk about playing your best football, they

573
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: weren't playing their best football. They didn't start playing their

574
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: best football until the second half of their first playoff games.

575
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: They figured it out in time until Darnell Docket busted

576
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: through the line, jump the count and then cause that

577
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: fumble that was returned by Antrell Roll Uh, I mean

578
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: sold that play by Doc. They were not playing good ball,

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00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden they got on a

580
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: roll and they still needed Kurt Warner to throw a

581
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: fantastic third and sixteen pass to Sorting Spot to lock

582
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: it up. That's right. But when you talk about have

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Speaker 1: they been playing their best football in the last six games,

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00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned the three and three record, but

585
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: give Darren Walipop for the steven spot by the way,

586
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: go ahead, but can you really analyze this team in

587
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: the past six games where four of those games where

588
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: without Kyler Murray? Can you really can you really say, Okay,

589
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: they haven't been playing their best football in the past

590
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: six games. But you but four of those six games

591
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: you weren't necessarily with the best player on your team.

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Speaker 1: So three three games, So I mean you did win

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00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: two of those three without Kyler though, so exactly so,

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Speaker 1: So my question is where is the concern necessarily? Is

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Speaker 1: it just a prime time concern? Is it playing against

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00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: the tough the tougher opponents and the NFC where, yes,

597
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: here's the concern. When you start talking about concern, it's

598
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: it's all relative. Do they have concern like the Jets

599
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: have concern? Hell no, But by the way, the biggest

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00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: no compreendo of the NFL season. This is strictly my opinion.

601
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: How have the Jets won three games? I looked up

602
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: the other day and I'm like, the Jets have three wins?

603
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 1: When did that happen? I'm sorry, proceeds. Zach Wilson is

604
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: having a worst season than Josh Rosen did in his

605
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 1: boy Cardinals. Um, Again, the concern is where you are

606
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: setting the bar. That's where the concern comes in. Are

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00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: they a better team than they were last year? I

608
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: think they are, absolutely and I think they've proven it

609
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: so far, and their record is going to show it,

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00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: because no matter what happens at this point, they're gonna

611
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: have more wins this year than last year. But the

612
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: concern now is you've raised the expectation or the bar

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Speaker 1: to the point where you have fans thinking we could

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00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: possibly win a Super Bowl and getting and winning a

615
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. That's a whole different level of than just

616
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: playing good football. And that's Felipe. That's where I come

617
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: in and say, that's where you kind of have to

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00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: look at it. It's not necessarily if you're just saying baseline,

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00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: should there be a lot of concern? No, But we're

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00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: not talking about that anymore. And I do think this,

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Speaker 1: it's really really difficult to put past the idea that

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00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: the two main teams that you're battling with right now,

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00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: the Buccaneers and the Packers, have quarterbacks who not only

624
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: continue to play at an incredibly high level, and this

625
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: is the key to all this is at the ages

626
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: of these guys, if they can hold up physically, which

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00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: they are Aaron Rodgers toe notwithstanding, we don't need to

628
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: see it again, by the way, just in case. But

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Speaker 1: if these guys can hold up physically, you match that

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00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: with their mental games for having played fifteen or twenty years.

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Speaker 1: That's ridiculous and it's unable to be matched by Kyler

632
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: Murray period, end of story. Did Aaron Rodgers look good

633
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: on Sunday Night Football? Everyone say, yes, he looks surgical?

634
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: Did he not? Some of those throws he made, some

635
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: of those decisions he made. Kyler Murray and his two

636
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: primetime appearances this year has zero touchdown passes and four picks. Now,

637
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: a lot of that was Aaron Donald. You know. Did

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00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers have Aaron Donald breathing down his neck fourteen

639
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: quarterback pressures in that game? No, But again, that's what

640
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: the national media looks at, and rightfully so, until it's proven. Now,

641
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: do I believe the Cardinals are the same team they

642
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: were a year ago and they're headed for some pending

643
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: doom and this miserable finish. No, As Christian Kirk said

644
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 1: on the postgame radio interview afterwards, look We're going to

645
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: be harsh on ourselves was his quote. And I didn't

646
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: see that level of accountability or circumspection, if you will,

647
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: last year in that lock room. As DJ Humphrey said

648
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: in the off season, Yeah, guys are kind of smelling

649
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: themselves when we got to six and three, and you know,

650
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: we had arrived when they hadn't. That's not the case

651
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: with this team this year, with this leadership group. So

652
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 1: now we'll see how much of a difference it makes

653
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: down the stretch. But the Cardinals have yet to lose

654
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: two in a row, and I think that is a

655
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,919
Speaker 1: byproduct that leadership in the locker roo, I would agree

656
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: with that. It's funny. I'm going to do the thing

657
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: that I can't stand. If the playoffs started today, you

658
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: know who the Cardinals would play in the front, I

659
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: do not. I know they'd be the number three seed.

660
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: They play the Niners. By the way, all my buddies,

661
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, these Silicon Valley guys, these Charlattan's out there,

662
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: I used to be used to be. I'm a recover

663
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 1: and and and and they still hit me up on

664
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: my phone, just like my uncle hit me up on

665
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 1: my la. Uncle hit me up about two minutes after

666
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: the game went to Zeros and was doing some serious

667
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 1: trash talking, although I had it coming because I might

668
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: have talked an in orman amount of trash after the

669
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: Cardinals beat down the Rams in Week four, and I figured,

670
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 1: you know, I had the right to get my money

671
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 1: worse since I bought my uncle tickets in LA to

672
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: go to the game in so far, But anyway, these

673
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: Niners fans are saying the only teams we fear right

674
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: now in the NFC would be the Packers and the Buccaneers. Hello,

675
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: what about the team that swept you this year? It

676
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: made you look bad even with a backup quarterback. Are

677
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: you serious? Yeah, so that's some unfounded confidence there by

678
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: the forty nine ers. If you ask me, well, I mean,

679
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: they are playing better football. I will give them that,

680
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: But I mean I feel like the Cardinals match up

681
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: pretty well against them at this point. And again, you

682
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: don't want to get ahead of yourselves. And also, you know,

683
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: we talk about the bar being set, We're certainly no

684
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: one's setting the bar at winning one playoff game at

685
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: this point. With the kind of season you've had, that

686
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: would be a disappointment if you win that first one

687
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: and then go loose in the second round. Have you

688
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: guys seen the Bucks and the Packers schedule for the

689
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: rest of the season. I have, it gives me. I'm

690
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: just forecasting that we will get I believe we'll get

691
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: a Cardinal Niners game at home or a Cardinals Rams

692
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 1: game at home, because they have two of the easiest

693
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: schedules left in the last four four games of the

694
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: four games of the season. And so now going to

695
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: a point about the Niners. See, that's where the concern

696
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: will come in with me. If you finish the season

697
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: and you're struggling, and then you face the Niners team

698
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: that's been bawling out the past two weeks, and you

699
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: find an offense has has found a rhythm with Jimmy

700
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: g and George Kittle once again, that's where the level

701
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: of concern would be for me. But right now, I'm

702
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: not necessarily concerned. I mean, you still you still I know,

703
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 1: the third in the NFL in record, But at the

704
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: end of the day, you still are one of three

705
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: teams with ten wins. All right, Philipe, if you want

706
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: something to be concerned about, Okay, I've got Chelmy. Here

707
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: we go. Okay, is this is the great segue right

708
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 1: now here on Cardinals Underground, brought to you by Pacific

709
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: Office Automation. And I quote Corey Peters, it's really baffling.

710
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 1: That was his three word quote after the game when

711
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: I asked him about the home versus the road, And

712
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: if you want to do a deep dive, I saw this.

713
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: It was NFL Network. The Cardinals turnover margin on the

714
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: road is plus seventeen. The turnover ratio plus seventeen. At

715
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: home it's minus seven. The point differential on the road

716
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: the Cardinals seven and zero, as we know, plus one twelve. Okay,

717
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 1: so if Kyle Ordergard is listening, there's your stinking point differential, Kyle,

718
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: at home it's zero. I mean, that is stark. Is

719
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 1: that a concern to the point where you don't even

720
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: want a home playoff game? It's not only they're not

721
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: only three and three, but it's the last three right,

722
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: three game home losing streak. That's that's tough to kind of.

723
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: That's real point, that's real. That's that's that's not a fluke.

724
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: But let me ask, I mean, you guys have covered

725
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: the team for you know, years and years. Do you

726
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: guys have a concern with the Cardinals at home in

727
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: the postseason. How many times did Larry Fish to make

728
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: the playoffs in his career with the Cardinals Five I

729
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: believe it's five or six. But how many of those

730
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: times can you guys remember off the top of the

731
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: head of the last time that the Cardinals lost a

732
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 1: home playoff game? They well, I don't think they have, No,

733
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: they have not, actually, but not in that stadium. But

734
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,840
Speaker 1: I can also tie at Arizona right Well, yeah, obviously,

735
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: But but I would say this, Philippe. None of those

736
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: teams had a better road record than a home record,

737
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: and this team does, and this team will. I mean,

738
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: as we stand right now, the Cardinals cannot lose three

739
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: road games this year, so they will, no matter what

740
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: after this last game, have a better road record than

741
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: home record, even though they have one extra road game.

742
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: But no cap it's it's but it's the playoff, everybody, Well,

743
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: I don't understand why that would make a difference to you.

744
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: It's it's a different type of energy. When you get

745
00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: to the postseason. You're at home, you're in like you're

746
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:01,959
Speaker 1: backs against the wall. If you lose, you go home.

747
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: When you're playing on Thursday Night football. If you lose

748
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: a home game, I mean, well, I mean, what's the

749
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: worst that's gonna happen? You win a couple more games

750
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 1: a week, three weeks after that Thursday night football game.

751
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: I mean, I just feel like the postseason is a

752
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: different type of energy. Guys are more focused. There's not

753
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: a game the week after on a short week that

754
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: you have to necessarily focus on. I mean, I just

755
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: feel these players they again, they love the cloud, they

756
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: love preparing for these moments. A lot of these players

757
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 1: have been in these positions. You talk about the James Conner,

758
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: AJ Green, JJ Watt if he comes back, he's been

759
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: in those positions before where his team's hosts a home

760
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: playoff game. A lot of these I feel, a lot

761
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: of these veterans that they brought to the team this

762
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: past offseason have been in these situations where it's the playoffs,

763
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: you're hosting a home game in the postseason. These opportunities

764
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: don't necessarily come around often, especially for the Arizona Cardinals.

765
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: You think you don't have confidence that though find the

766
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: formula to turn it around at home in the postseason

767
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: where they've had success in the past. But I don't

768
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: mean to cut you off, Paul. I guess here, here's

769
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 1: the thing. I'm still offended. You guys are laughing when

770
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: I threw out no cap. Well, I can't get away

771
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: with laughing. I enjoy you were laughing at me, not

772
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 1: with me. Um, I don't. I don't understand what being

773
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 1: all that, how that changes a bad interception from Kyler Murray.

774
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: I mean, again, they're losing these games not because they

775
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: don't want to win. They're losing these games at this

776
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: point because they're turning the ball over. You. I mean, basically,

777
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: it just got very basic. They're turning the ball over

778
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 1: at home more than they get turnovers, and that's not

779
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 1: what they're doing on the road. I think it literally

780
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: comes down to that. And I don't think that has

781
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:02,160
Speaker 1: anything to do with uh. I don't personally. I don't

782
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: think being focused and knowing that there's a different vibe

783
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: at home, I don't think that changes that. I think

784
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: execution changes that, and I don't. I just I'm not

785
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: a believer in that being a mental state. That's me. Look,

786
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: if this team loves a challenge, and that's you know,

787
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: I'm in all over that all year. They love a challenge. Well, now,

788
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 1: the challenge most definitely is can you win at home?

789
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: That is a challenge, But that was a challenge going

790
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: into this game on Monday night. They were sick and

791
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: tired of that question going into the Monday night game,

792
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: and they still didn't play anywhere near their best ball.

793
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: And guess what, because it can always get worse, it

794
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: will on Christmas night. If you want distractions related to

795
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: being at home, how about Christmas morning? How about players

796
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: coming off Christmas Eve? A lot of dads with young kids,

797
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: A great moment for any family, Christmas Eve, Christmas Morning.

798
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: Now you got to get yourself ready to go to

799
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: the stadium and play a very physical game against Jonathan

800
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: Taylor and that Colts old line. Hello, Honestly, if they're

801
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: not equipped to do something about this home losing skid,

802
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: the Colts are the wrong team to play on the

803
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: wrong day of the year because you can go in

804
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: fully distracted and unfocused on Christmas Night. Think of the

805
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: potential there to flop on your face at home or

806
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: am I just going way over more? No, I don't

807
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: think they're gonna flop on their face, but I do

808
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:34,239
Speaker 1: agree that that if you talk about distractions, you know,

809
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: certainly none of us would ever want to be on

810
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: the road for a Christmas game. I feel bad for

811
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: the Colts a little bit, sure, but I do think

812
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: there's something to that. Absolutely, and it's gonna be again interesting.

813
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: They'll be coming off the lines game again. We're assuming

814
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a win. Hopefully that's not a mistake

815
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: and the eyes of the nation are going to be

816
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: on them. Is that the only Christmas game? Is there

817
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: one in the afternoon? No? There are? There are? That's

818
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: that's the third of three games. Yes, so that one

819
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: head to head with the NBA? Then yes, yeah, I

820
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: believe the Suns play that same day too. They do.

821
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: They definitely do, because I remember being kind of bummed,

822
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss watching the game because that's gonna be Warriors.

823
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 1: So are you sure you're working Christmas night? Are you're

824
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: working the game there? Did you take it off to

825
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: watch NBA? Did you get your NBA feedback on a

826
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: Christmas Day? Are you sure? I got? I'm I'm all

827
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 1: filled up with my basketball. My sons are coaching, and

828
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: I got to watch my son be a head coach

829
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: for a game. How that go by the way? They

830
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: did not win the game, okay, and he was a

831
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: little upset about that. Okay. There wasn't any clock missmanagement

832
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: or anything. No. Unfortunately, his team was struggling on the

833
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 1: offensive end. They had trouble actually not turning the ball over. Okay,

834
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: so they struggled. I think they had like twelve points

835
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: in the second half, and that was the offense and

836
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: then they and they would just they they were barely

837
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: getting Was that on their primetime What's that? Was it

838
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: a primetime game? All freshman gamer of four o'clock, Philip

839
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: you should know that as a former star of I

840
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: never played freshman basketball. Oh I'm sorry, my bad played

841
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: whoa whoa? Okay, stay chap, you know wow, okay, there

842
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: was a flex uh interesting all right, So you know,

843
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: pick it up there where you left off, Philippe on

844
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: the Lions, you know, I mean, what what do we

845
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: need to know about the Lions other than the fact

846
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: they're coming off at thirty eight ten lackluster lost to

847
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 1: the Broncos, and the Broncos ran all over him. I'm

848
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 1: seeing here thirty nine carries for a buck, eighty four

849
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Speaker 1: in the ground, three touchdowns, the one eleven and one Lions,

850
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Speaker 1: who are missing twenty two players against Denver in their

851
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: last game between injuries and illness. Well, the only potential

852
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: concern I had going into that game was the run.

853
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: They run defense. But there's gonna Deanjay Swift isn't gonna

854
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 1: be playing. That's my assumption. He's been dealing with a

855
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Speaker 1: shoulder injury, and last I heard he was did it

856
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Speaker 1: to go on the I R. So that I mean,

857
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,959
Speaker 1: that's out the window. Uh, And I believe I Harry

858
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Kingsbury say that he hasn't necessarily beat Jared Goff, but

859
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Speaker 1: we're only talking about two games at this point because

860
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Speaker 1: it's or No. Four games, four games, so like the

861
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,719
Speaker 1: last he's owned four against Jared. I'm just trying to

862
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Speaker 1: find something to motivate the school because I know against

863
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh and this is the first year with Matthew Stafford, right,

864
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: I mean the Cardinals Cardinals. You know about Kingsbury. Oh,

865
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: kings were right, Yeah, the Cardinals were in it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know what, edit that out? I'm sorry. We're here.

867
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Speaker 1: We're all about transparency, Paul. We don't edit stuff out right.

868
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Speaker 1: I just want the players to listen to this podcast

869
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: that we know they'd love to listen to every week

870
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: and here that their coach, their beloved players, coach hasn't

871
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 1: beaten Jared Goff and four opportunities. So maybe that's the

872
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: only type of concern. I mean, out of out of

873
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Speaker 1: all the potential trap games that we've heard this entire season,

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Speaker 1: I feel like this is literally a chap game for

875
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: theirs and a Cardinals are coming off a very jassic

876
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: glass on Monday Night football. You know, the entire fan

877
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: base was deflated after that game. So it's how you

878
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: you know, how you recover on a short week. Then

879
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Speaker 1: you have to travel on a Friday, something that you're

880
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: not necessarily necessarily used to all season because typically I'm

881
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: assuming what you travel on Saturdays and whatnot. So I

882
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: feel like this this could turn into a chap game

883
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: for the Cardinals if they don't recover. Mentally, I say,

884
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: I don't. I personally think it's not a trap game.

885
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: But that's because of the result Monday. Have they beaten

886
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 1: the Rams? Okay, maybe you think about it a little bit.

887
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I'm not worried about a trap

888
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 1: game anymore because there's enough people in that locker room.

889
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: Whether they're getting a secondhand information or paying attention themselves.

890
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: Never ever believe that all the people that say, why

891
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: we don't pay attention with being said about us, that's untrue.

892
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 1: Well to your point where they exist, there's huge big

893
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: screen TVs. Yeah, I just got through talking about the

894
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:10,760
Speaker 1: two TVs in the cafeteria. You were in the players

895
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: area for all of seventeen seconds as you walk through.

896
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: They exist ten twelve hours a day in there, So

897
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: how can they not see it? That's always been kind

898
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: of my You know, you can say that it doesn't

899
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Speaker 1: bother you, which again we can also have an argument about,

900
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: but you know what's being said. I just don't. I

901
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: just don't think they want to go down that road.

902
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: And now they've been slapped in the face of the

903
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 1: reality which they already kind of knew, which was, you know,

904
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: the margin for areas air is very thin. I mean,

905
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: we're now to the point where they're only a game

906
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: ahead of the Cowboys now, and the Cowboys have a

907
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: chance to beat them head to head and to you

908
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: wouldn't want by getting to week eighteen and all of

909
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,959
Speaker 1: a sudden you're the fourth seed in the NFC. Yeah,

910
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: true or false? The Cardinals are still in good shape

911
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,760
Speaker 1: to win the division title. Very true, very true, very true,

912
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,360
Speaker 1: based on go ahead break that down. Well, because you

913
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: only have a one game lead against the Rams, right,

914
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: but but the Rams have to get two games on

915
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: you in four weeks because you are going to hold that.

916
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: You're it's very you are going to hold the tiebreaker

917
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: over them, probably because you go to the second tiebreaker.

918
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Speaker 1: You split the season series the headhead. So you're going

919
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: to division record. Yes, okay, and the Cardinals and the

920
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: Rams are two and two, and the Rams play the

921
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: Seahawks and forty nine last. Yeah, Ill, at this point,

922
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: you definitely lock it up if you beat the Seahawks

923
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: in your last game. If you're the Cardinal and the

924
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: Niners own Sean McVay, they've won five in a row

925
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,840
Speaker 1: against the Rams, by the way, I mean, I'm not

926
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Speaker 1: saying it's a lock, right, but I'm saying they still

927
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: have a very good chance to win the division. You

928
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: know it. Look, if you would have won on Monday night,

929
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Speaker 1: you would add a one game lead on the entire league,

930
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: on the entire conference. Now you have one game lead

931
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: in your division, and like you said, you know, we

932
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Speaker 1: asked Dave Pash has he done any horse racing in

933
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: the past, because you know, he does every sport, including

934
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Speaker 1: the outdoor games and like dog jumping back in the

935
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Speaker 1: day on X games and all this kind of stuff.

936
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Speaker 1: But has he ever done as I think he's done

937
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: that as well. Has he ever been the guy who

938
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 1: yells and down the stretch they come right five horse race?

939
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: Pull them there at the corner pole and here they

940
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: come to the tape. And because that's what it's going

941
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: to be between the Cardinals, the Packers, the Bucks, the Cowboys,

942
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: and the Rams and only a game separating well, all

943
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Speaker 1: five of those teams. And what we haven't talked about,

944
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: but I have a bad feeling we're going to at

945
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: some point. Oh boy, where does COVID plane all this?

946
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: All it's gonna take. We're talking about all these games

947
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 1: and all these tiebreakers. All it takes is one of

948
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: these quarterbacks having to miss a game, whether it's Kyler

949
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: or Tom Brady or probably not Aaron Rodgers because he

950
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: already had it. But we'll see. You don't know what

951
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: could happen there or Dak Prescott. I mean, we just

952
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: don't know how these teams are going to be affected.

953
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 1: I know the Rams just had a bunch of things

954
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: happened to him, and they still we're able to beat

955
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. But it doesn't take much. Can I convince

956
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: you to knock on wid just just this one time

957
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: so that doesn't please This is one time. I mean,

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00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, I don't believe in that crowd. Just pretend

959
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: like you believe it. Just knock on the not gonna

960
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: do it this. We don't even have wood. This is whatever.

961
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: This is just knocked under the table and you'll feel

962
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: the wind. Whatever. We're in the middle of a two

963
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Speaker 1: days stretch when it comes to COVID, where more players

964
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: and coaches have come down and tested positives than any

965
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: than any two days stretch in two thousand and twenty.

966
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 1: I saw a tweet yesterday. Okay, this was before today.

967
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: The last two Monday Tuesday, seventy five players had gone

968
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 1: on the COVID list. From the first week of September

969
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: to this week of Thanksgiving, one hundred and ten total

970
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: had gone on the list. Wow, and once again, compared

971
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: to twenty and twenty, this has actually been worse. It's

972
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: been more prolific than it was at any point. If

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Speaker 1: we don't go back to daily testing. I will be stunt. Okay, now,

974
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Speaker 1: that's well, that's it. That's I mean, I can't well,

975
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Speaker 1: I won't do intensive protocols necessarily right off, if you

976
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 1: don't have a problem. But I think we're gonna go

977
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: back to daily testing, which Paul loves because he lives

978
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: so close to the facility. That's great, that's great. Can

979
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: I borrow the team helicopter? Is that? Is that possible

980
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: at all? It's okay, all right, well there you go.

981
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that, and that and watching Rusuel

982
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: Douglass ball out for the Green Bay Packers, you know

983
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: that's a uh anybody else. I started the game on

984
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: Monday night wondering, Wow, what guards are available in the draft,

985
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 1: and then by the end of the game and watching

986
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: the Cardinals secondary against Cooper Cup and O b J

987
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: and Van Jefferson on the fifty two yarder and all

988
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: that and Matthew Stafford, I ended by saying, maybe, just

989
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 1: maybe they should have created a roster spot for Rasul Douglas.

990
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: That was a tough one too. Antonio Hamilton beat him out.

991
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: They Antonio Hamilton was ahead of him the whole time,

992
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 1: and he's not playing right now. So obviously, I don't

993
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: feel like they need another guy. And I honestly would

994
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: we all be talking how great Russell Douglass is. Is

995
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: AJ Green doesn't turn around? I mean he's made a

996
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: couple other plays, but yes, he's had a couple other

997
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: He's had a couple of pick sixes. He would have

998
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,880
Speaker 1: been boxed out by a J. Green and beating for

999
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 1: the game winning touchdown. So maybe not so great. Okay,

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00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: all right, there you go. I mean, anything else you

1001
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Speaker 1: guys want to laugh at when it comes to you know,

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Speaker 1: Paul pencil Neck covid here, I think I think we're

1003
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Speaker 1: we gotta get out of the studio. Anyways, there's people ready.

1004
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: It's a very large man staring us down right now,

1005
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: by the name of Rolando Canto. And so you guys

1006
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: go through that door first, okay, And I'll yeah, I'll

1007
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: use you guys as as cover. You can be my

1008
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 1: lead back and I'll try and go off your block.

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Speaker 1: I mean, depending what black Who am I am I

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Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson or you're one of the guards. No, not

1011
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: even you're just kid, you're the wedge buster. Okay, since

1012
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: you know either the Ron Wolfley, just go in there.

1013
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: Try and blow them up, and then I'll get a

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Speaker 1: few extra yards. Okay, there we go on this edition

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