Speaker 1: Your war room for Incenter News and Trapped Analysis Alice
Speaker 1: Sex Emmitt Smith running back from Florida last year. He
Speaker 1: was an absolute beast. Gosh, like you are a cannibal.
Speaker 1: This guy is okay. There's a lot of great receivers
Speaker 1: in the country. He's right there. He's got breakaway speed
Speaker 1: from wicked up. C D Lamb, It's already his night
Speaker 1: Team forty Burger is the play where a week from
Speaker 1: or a week away, I guess a week in the
Speaker 1: review mirror of the NFL Draft. But C. D Lamb
Speaker 1: was the pick at seventy and we are still celebrating
Speaker 1: here on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Draft Show
Speaker 1: one final show this twenty twenty season, Kyle Yoman's David Hellman,
Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh back with us, Kevin Turner, Katie Down in
Speaker 1: the corner as well. Ceedee Lamb was the selection. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys did it. They did it best player available, they
Speaker 1: went BPA. It's still exciting to talk about. There was
Speaker 1: the talk earlier about the number selection. I don't care
Speaker 1: about any of that kind of stuff on the side.
Speaker 1: I just care that Ceedee Lamb is a Dallas Cowboy's
Speaker 1: got a star on the side of his helmet, and
Speaker 1: it's fun to talk about because now we have endless
Speaker 1: options whenever it comes to Cede Lamb. And then, hey,
Speaker 1: the rest of the draft was pretty pretty great. Two guys,
Speaker 1: you can't really complain about any of it. But Dave,
Speaker 1: now that we're a week into looking at how this
Speaker 1: draft class kind of evolved, what are your thoughts, at
Speaker 1: least at this very moment. I think I finally got
Speaker 1: past the point of thinking it was surreal. Like for
Speaker 1: two or three days there, I kept like having to
Speaker 1: pinch myself to think if it really happened. Somebody actually,
Speaker 1: somebody tweeted me the other day and was like, you
Speaker 1: were more stressed out about the thought of Cede Lamb
Speaker 1: being available and the Cowboys not picking him than the
Speaker 1: thought of somebody drafting Cede Lamb. And I was like absolutely,
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent, because I did not want to
Speaker 1: have to try to sell that as a good decision
Speaker 1: to anyone, because it wouldn't have worked. And luckily the
Speaker 1: Cowboys didn't make me do that. They drafted the best
Speaker 1: player available by a long shot, and we can go
Speaker 1: through the rest of the class. I mean, they got
Speaker 1: great value everywhere I think it's it's the most excited
Speaker 1: I've been about a draft class in the moment in
Speaker 1: my time covering the team easily easily and Jeff team
Speaker 1: or I guess Captain trade Down didn't get to ride
Speaker 1: over the course of the weekend, But I don't think
Speaker 1: it really mattered because Team forty Burgers here right. Are
Speaker 1: you happy with that? There were very strong conflicting emotions
Speaker 1: inside of me. Is Captain trade Down with a finally
Speaker 1: crafted character over a long period of time, Kyle, But
Speaker 1: Captain trade Doown was willing to fall in a sword
Speaker 1: when Ceedee Lamb was available, and so Captain trade Down
Speaker 1: I should probably change the name in here because Captain
Speaker 1: Traddown is no more. Captain Tradedown doesn't need to exist
Speaker 1: when Ceede Lamb's on the board at seventeen and Trayvon
Speaker 1: Diggs is on the board at fifty one, Captain Traddown
Speaker 1: doesn't need to ride. He just needs to He needs
Speaker 1: to back on into the distance. And next year, when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are picking thirty second, maybe Captain trade Doown
Speaker 1: will be back. What's cat Captain trade Down as a
Speaker 1: team player? What's Captain trade Doown? Like your way? Of
Speaker 1: protecting your feelings, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, same
Speaker 1: as you were doing. Yeah, Captain Traddown was my way
Speaker 1: of bailing out of the seventeenth pick that was aj
Speaker 1: Terrell or Trayvon Diggs. That that was my way out
Speaker 1: of that pick at seventeen. Where you know, the way
Speaker 1: you feel about it at fifty one is a whole
Speaker 1: lot different than the way you feel about at seventeen
Speaker 1: with somebody like Treyvon Digs. I was even scared. I
Speaker 1: was scared of Chase On. Yeah, it's insane how much
Speaker 1: better I felt about Digs at fifty one as opposed
Speaker 1: to seventeen or even like twenty five. Like as a
Speaker 1: first round pick, I'm like, oh, I don't know, guys,
Speaker 1: And at pick fifty one, I'm like, this is the
Speaker 1: best pick that's ever been made. Well, we knew this
Speaker 1: draft would be like a little different than maybe drafts
Speaker 1: of the past because of everything going on in the world.
Speaker 1: But I walked away. This is probably Tuesday night, a
Speaker 1: couple of nights ago. I was going out for a
Speaker 1: walk guttle exercise, right stang away from people, of course,
Speaker 1: and I went, I'm an idiot. I don't think I
Speaker 1: did a good job of talking up the scenarios here.
Speaker 1: I should have laid out more scenarios for it being
Speaker 1: possible that Ceedee Lamb is a Dallas Cowboy, because if
Speaker 1: you look at the top seventeen picks, there weren't many surprises.
Speaker 1: Maybe you want to say Andrew Thomas going forth, but
Speaker 1: I think people saw him going before the Cowboys picked
Speaker 1: at seventeen. Maybe aj Terrell flying in it picked sixteen.
Speaker 1: It's not like there were a million surprises. Not all
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks went before the Cowboys picked at seventeen. I
Speaker 1: kind of went maybe I kind of got a little
Speaker 1: bit of regret in the way I talked about how
Speaker 1: possible will it be to get a guy that you like?
Speaker 1: It turns out it was extremely possible, and there weren't
Speaker 1: that many surprises. But overall, I feel great about the draft,
Speaker 1: But I for myself and to the draft show listeners
Speaker 1: out there, I'd like to say I apologize. The CD
Speaker 1: Lamb thing should have been thrown up against the wall
Speaker 1: a few more times than it was, and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel bad about that. You know. I actually, oh, oh,
Speaker 1: we all got a lot to say. I love it.
Speaker 1: Let's go, somebody go I think so, like you weren't
Speaker 1: alone in that because at seventeen it wasn't supposed to happen,
Speaker 1: and I think you're on it where aj Terrell was
Speaker 1: a part of the reason he was there, and Javon
Speaker 1: Kinlaw was a part of the reason he did because
Speaker 1: most people thought San Francisco, there goes a wide receiver
Speaker 1: and so there's CD. And then at sixteen a lot
Speaker 1: of people thought it would be either Ken Law or
Speaker 1: Chase On and then at seventeen, you have your pick
Speaker 1: of those guys. And yeah, we probably didn't talk enough
Speaker 1: well you know what, No, we did though. We were
Speaker 1: saying the drum of if one of those top three
Speaker 1: receivers is there, I don't think they'll pick him, but
Speaker 1: they should and they should be open to that. So
Speaker 1: I think we did that. But even the second round,
Speaker 1: because I know on Thursday nights, I made a video
Speaker 1: on my YouTube page where I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the second round, and I'd love to
Speaker 1: present a scenario where Christian Faulton or Treyvon Diggs can
Speaker 1: be the pick, but obviously that won't happen, so let's
Speaker 1: be realistic. And then they were both on the board,
Speaker 1: So you know, sometimes sometimes you just don't know the
Speaker 1: way these things are going to play out. If I
Speaker 1: were running a simulation, which I did, you know, five
Speaker 1: hundred mod dress and the little simulators. If CD gets
Speaker 1: to seventeen, I restarted because I'm like, that's not realistic.
Speaker 1: If Treyvon Diggs is one, I restart because I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's not realistic. So you just take your gifts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I actually, Oh, go ahead, Kyle, go for it, Dave.
Speaker 1: I I agree with Kavanaugh completely. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think any of us thought Ceedee Lamb would be there,
Speaker 1: because I think we would all agree he was the
Speaker 1: best receiver in the class. I think the Cowboys thought
Speaker 1: that as well. He was number six on their board.
Speaker 1: I think he's a top ten consensus player. But we
Speaker 1: did talk a lot about the prospect of the Cowboys
Speaker 1: could be faced with a choice between a receiver who
Speaker 1: is the best possible player and a defender who really
Speaker 1: meets what they feel like they need. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like it's set up really well where they might have
Speaker 1: had a choice between a receiver and Chason, or a
Speaker 1: receiver and Fulton or Digs or Terrell, whoever you want
Speaker 1: to say, we just didn't think it would be Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: and I think that's actually fascinating. I was talking about
Speaker 1: this on Twitter yesterday. If the choice is between Rugs
Speaker 1: and As, I won't say Judy because I think they
Speaker 1: probably would have picked Judy. But if it's Henry Ruggs
Speaker 1: and Chason, did they do the same thing. I don't
Speaker 1: know the answer. It's interesting to think about. I agree
Speaker 1: with that completely, and that's kind of where I was leading.
Speaker 1: Is the fact that it brought up that best player
Speaker 1: available debate. But if it would have been another wide receiver,
Speaker 1: would it have been a debate? Would it have still
Speaker 1: been Chason and you have still gone with need? I
Speaker 1: think it was the fact that Cede Lamb was so
Speaker 1: highly elevated on their board, the fact that he was
Speaker 1: the number six overall player, he was number one on
Speaker 1: their board in terms of wide receivers, and he was
Speaker 1: number one on all four of our boards as a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. So the fact that he fell was surprising.
Speaker 1: But to Katie's original point, the fact that he fell
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily as uncommon as you would think. You see
Speaker 1: it every single year one of those top players ends
Speaker 1: up falling into your lap, especially right in the middle
Speaker 1: of that first round. There's so many different scenario the
Speaker 1: different players. I thought it would be one of those
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks. Maybe a team trades up to go get
Speaker 1: Jordan Love as the fourth quarterback in the top fifteen picks.
Speaker 1: I thought that would have been the thing to push it.
Speaker 1: But I think it was the aj Terrell. I think
Speaker 1: it was the pick that the Raiders made selecting Henry Ruggs.
Speaker 1: Even the Jets going with an offensive tackle at eleven,
Speaker 1: I think contributed to the fact of Cede Lamb actually
Speaker 1: being able to fall in their lap. Now, with all
Speaker 1: of this this fun, you still got to find a
Speaker 1: place to put them on the depth chart, and right
Speaker 1: now it says, hey, he's your number three receiver. Right
Speaker 1: I want to bring up the question. You've got high,
Speaker 1: sky high expectations. You've got two eleven hundred yard receivers
Speaker 1: on your roster already. Is it possible that Cede Lamb
Speaker 1: is that number two target instead of Michael Gallop and
Speaker 1: we'll throw Amari Cooper in there as well, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Is there a chance he's the number two receiver on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys this season? I went on record of saying that,
Speaker 1: I think said a year from now, Ceedee Lamb is
Speaker 1: going to be the number one receiver on the Cowboys. Wow,
Speaker 1: and going into this year, and yes, I get a
Speaker 1: twenty million dollar guy is on the other side, but
Speaker 1: I think Ceedee Lamb brings a level of consistency that
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper well, I think that that is where he
Speaker 1: will be and for this year. I think it's a
Speaker 1: great conversation in debate, but I don't have a strong
Speaker 1: opinion on it. I think all three of them are
Speaker 1: going to be on the field. The vast majority of
Speaker 1: snaps and coverage dictates where the ball goes. But I
Speaker 1: think CD is going to do an incredible job of
Speaker 1: building trust with a quarterback because of his catch radius
Speaker 1: and what he does with the ball after So I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised at all if we refer to
Speaker 1: him as the number three going into the year and
Speaker 1: a few weeks in we're like, oh, just kidding, he's
Speaker 1: two or one. I mean, you you can call me
Speaker 1: a coward if you want to, but I just like,
Speaker 1: I don't see why you have to have a stance
Speaker 1: on this. I looked this up yesterday. They were an
Speaker 1: eleven personnel sixty one percent of the time last year,
Speaker 1: and I bet that I'll go up this year, especially
Speaker 1: when you have a guy like Cede Lamb on the roster.
Speaker 1: Like so you're talking about sixty five percent of the
Speaker 1: snaps where all three are on the field, and I
Speaker 1: would assume maybe I'm wrong, but I would assume c
Speaker 1: d is. You know, he's probably going to spend the
Speaker 1: majority of his time in the slot because I think
Speaker 1: he can do that the best between him and Cooper.
Speaker 1: So I mean like he'll be third. I guess in
Speaker 1: name just because you typically think of your slot receiver
Speaker 1: as the third receiver, but I just think of it
Speaker 1: as all one big group. I don't really feel why
Speaker 1: you have to distinguish between the three of them, honestly,
Speaker 1: and if health is good for all three guys, I
Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to say that you have three
Speaker 1: guys in your wide receiver group with the potential of
Speaker 1: having seventy to seventy five catches. That seems like a lot.
Speaker 1: And I know there's targets for Zeke. I know there's
Speaker 1: gonna be targets for Blake Jarwin, although I could see
Speaker 1: Jarwin having less of an impact in terms of total
Speaker 1: number of catches than like witten Head. I think it's
Speaker 1: a lot to ask of a rookie wide receiver to
Speaker 1: come in and catch seventy balls. I'm not doing that,
Speaker 1: but I mean the upside here is outrageous. And the
Speaker 1: types of ways you can get all of these guys
Speaker 1: the ball, especially Cooper and Cede Lamb, the types of
Speaker 1: ways you can get them the ball, whether it's down
Speaker 1: the field or whether it's short screens. You know, there's
Speaker 1: so many things that you can do to kind of
Speaker 1: get the passing game going now. And this is kind
Speaker 1: of why I'm glad that they weren't scared to pull
Speaker 1: the trigger on Cede Lamb, not only because of him,
Speaker 1: but just the offense did need another wide receiver. If
Speaker 1: we came out of this draft without Cede Lamb, let's
Speaker 1: say we've got Chase on and Digs, we would be going, well,
Speaker 1: who's our slot wide receiver? And maybe they addressed that
Speaker 1: position during the draft. But now my biggest question is
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith's back and who's gonna win the left guard
Speaker 1: and center and get all that figure out. But my
Speaker 1: questions are now about the offensive line, and they're not
Speaker 1: about any of the skill position players, and I think
Speaker 1: that's huge. And this day at Asia the NFL is
Speaker 1: you don't need to have questions about your skill position players.
Speaker 1: You needn't know what they can do and have confidence
Speaker 1: in them. It's really crazy to me. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, ninety five percent of people love the Lamb pick,
Speaker 1: but I you know, there have been some people that
Speaker 1: you know, they had they needed defense, they had to
Speaker 1: draft the pass rusher. They had to do this as
Speaker 1: if receiver was not a huge need. Like the depth
Speaker 1: chart behind Gallup and Cooper's terrifying. It's absolutely scary. And
Speaker 1: so people acting like this was a luxury pick, I
Speaker 1: think that's insane because you need three receivers in the
Speaker 1: modern NFL. You need three good receivers preferably, So I
Speaker 1: never really understood that. And I mean, if you go
Speaker 1: back and look like, let's say they pick calevan Chase
Speaker 1: on your options at pick fifty one were Denzel Mims,
Speaker 1: which that'd be fun, and Van Jefferson and your if
Speaker 1: you wait until the third round, it was pretty much
Speaker 1: just Devin DuVernay or Bust. So I feel way better
Speaker 1: about getting CD Lamb and figuring out the defense later.
Speaker 1: And that's I mean, not a knock on Denzel Mems.
Speaker 1: He's a good player, but I'd way rather have CD Lamb. Well,
Speaker 1: he's the top receiver on all of our boards. I
Speaker 1: think we would all rather have CD Lamb just because
Speaker 1: of the fact that he opens up such a possibility
Speaker 1: on that offensive side of things with Kellen Moore. And
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what kind of influence Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: has on this offense as well, because in Green Bay
Speaker 1: he used a lot of those two tight end sets.
Speaker 1: Now you don't necessarily have to use a two tight inset.
Speaker 1: You can throw three receivers out there with Blake Jarwin
Speaker 1: and Ezekiel Elliott and have some fun at the skill positions. Now,
Speaker 1: before we take our first break, I do want to
Speaker 1: address the defensive side of the football, because that's what
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did in Day two. They took Treyvon Diggs
Speaker 1: at pick fifty one in the second round, the Ville Gallimore,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle out of Oklahoma in the third. And
Speaker 1: where do these guys kind of fit in the rotation?
Speaker 1: Is my biggest action when we're talking about the depth
Speaker 1: chart at receiver with Seedee Land thrown into the max.
Speaker 1: Where do these two guys fit because cornerback, you needed
Speaker 1: it to double dip a corner. They did that. They
Speaker 1: took Reggie Robinson the second in the fourth as well
Speaker 1: as Trayvon Diggs in the second. And then you also
Speaker 1: you add to that beefed up defensive line with Jerald
Speaker 1: McCoy Dantry Poe. Now you're throw Neville Gallimour in there.
Speaker 1: Where do you guys see this kind of playing out?
Speaker 1: And where do you expect these rookies to land when
Speaker 1: it comes to the depth chart. I don't want to
Speaker 1: put unfair expectations on anybody because after the draft, I said, however,
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs ends up, he ends up, and you don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. And a year from now he'll be
Speaker 1: a starter because so many people's contracts will be up.
Speaker 1: But as of today, I'm buying the talk of Cheeto
Speaker 1: potentially getting a look at safety because every corner that
Speaker 1: they're bringing in looks the exact same. They're all six one,
Speaker 1: two oh five. That is their corners. They got the
Speaker 1: long arms, Cheeto doesn't. I think that's the route they're going.
Speaker 1: So now I think Trayvon Diggs is going to come
Speaker 1: and he's gonna start. And I think that this team
Speaker 1: is going to play a lot of press and according
Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focus, Treymon Diggs was the best in
Speaker 1: the country at press man last year, So I think
Speaker 1: that it fits. It's really weird. I said this on
Speaker 1: radio yesterday. They Will McClay was most excited by Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy because he said, players over scheme will make the
Speaker 1: scheme fit around all the good players. But at corner,
Speaker 1: they're not doing that. At corner. They clearly have a
Speaker 1: plan that this is what we want you to look like,
Speaker 1: because this is what we're gonna do. And I'm okay
Speaker 1: with those two conflicting ideas somehow. So I think Diggs
Speaker 1: is gonna be a starter. I think Galimore is going
Speaker 1: to be Gerald McCoy's primary backup and play probably thirty
Speaker 1: to forty of the snaps. I think Reggie Robinson will
Speaker 1: be a special team's demon. He blocked a kick every
Speaker 1: year at Tulsa, so I think he'll do that and
Speaker 1: potentially help you in the secondary as a rookie and
Speaker 1: hopefully be a starter a year from now. So I
Speaker 1: think they had a good draft that year from now man,
Speaker 1: what if be Odish is the starter. What if they're
Speaker 1: pulling five starters out of this draft. That would be absurd,
Speaker 1: it would be nice. I'm not that ready. I'm not
Speaker 1: that ready to go there. I agree in theory with
Speaker 1: everything that you said. I wouldn't be surprised if Cheeto
Speaker 1: winds up at safety. But I also think you probably
Speaker 1: want to see these guys on the field. Like coaches
Speaker 1: don't like to say anything publicly, but it's pretty easy
Speaker 1: to recognize when a guy is ready and when he's
Speaker 1: not once you get on the field, especially from their standpoints.
Speaker 1: So if you know, if when they finally get on
Speaker 1: the field whenever, that is, if Diggs is just like
Speaker 1: looks like the guy, I could see him starting. But
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to say that yet because I don't
Speaker 1: think they're ready to say that. I think you want
Speaker 1: to see how up to it he is. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if he's like your utility cornerback. You know.
Speaker 1: Byron kind of started his career as the jack of
Speaker 1: all trades at everything. He did a little corner, he
Speaker 1: did a little safety, He played a lot of dime
Speaker 1: and nickelback. I could see Trayvon doing that. If he's
Speaker 1: not ready to start right away, but I mean if
Speaker 1: he hits the ground running, yeah, let's crank it up.
Speaker 1: Let's go yeah yeah, And I'll I shall Hey want
Speaker 1: to commend them for the signing of Anthony Brown, which
Speaker 1: gets them a lot of leeway. And I know, you know,
Speaker 1: bringing in Darryl Whorley is gonna change things. And Maurice Kennedy,
Speaker 1: like they've done a lot of things. But I really
Speaker 1: love that Anthony Brown signing. Just to allow you to
Speaker 1: have a little freedom to operate in the secondary. I'll
Speaker 1: move to the defensive line for this discussion. I think
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill is on the clock. I think if Triston
Speaker 1: Hill assuming and I'm making a bold assumption that training
Speaker 1: camp starts on time, you know, Triston Hill, you're promised nothing.
Speaker 1: And I think Neville Gallimore could come in when a
Speaker 1: job there at the Gainstwan Woods would still be on
Speaker 1: the roster. I think Neville Gallimore is a backup DT
Speaker 1: on this team right now, and Triston Hill is not me.
Speaker 1: That's feels a little strange to say, baby, when one
Speaker 1: is a third round pick and what is the second
Speaker 1: round pick? But that's that's I think that's something that's
Speaker 1: a legit thing that's happening. I think you have a
Speaker 1: second round I mean, a third round player in Neville
Speaker 1: Gallimore will be a rotational He's your backup three tech
Speaker 1: dique you know, day one as the way I feel
Speaker 1: about that. And we'll say where Tyrone Crawford fits in
Speaker 1: the mix. I'm sure they'll probably try to keep him
Speaker 1: a defensive end, but I'm not counting on him for anything,
Speaker 1: just because hip injuries are difficult. A ny is a
Speaker 1: rotational pass rusher and the likes of Dorian's Armstrong, but
Speaker 1: Canny give you more than Dorian's Armstrong. Did you know
Speaker 1: that's the type of thing you'll be looking at there.
Speaker 1: So that's my thoughts on the D line right there.
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill is on the bubble in my opinion, well
Speaker 1: in Gallimore specifically, looking at that three technique side, it
Speaker 1: makes you look like you're really thin, and when it
Speaker 1: comes to nose tackle, you've got done. Trypo there and
Speaker 1: Gerald McCoy maybe could slide over and play that, but
Speaker 1: I think overall, nose tackle looks a little thin, So
Speaker 1: that rotation starts to kind of get crucial for the
Speaker 1: middle of that defensive line. But as fun as it
Speaker 1: is looking over, what was that, Katy? So we had
Speaker 1: Antoine Woods? All right? So that's fair at the man
Speaker 1: they actually he has not signed as inclusive rights tender.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I mean, I think they're they're
Speaker 1: gonna there will be a nose tackle on the team
Speaker 1: that's not currently on it, whether that's Antoine or whether
Speaker 1: they get another guy. I think they'll probably sign a vet,
Speaker 1: you know, before they go to training camp. That's kind
Speaker 1: of the thought process around really a thin spot on
Speaker 1: that defensive line, even with the rotational purposes that you
Speaker 1: have some of these guys for now. As fun as
Speaker 1: it is kind of going over and saying how this
Speaker 1: draft is a win? Is it really a win? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeoman's Katie. We've got Dave Helmet and Jeff cavanall
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Speaker 1: of fun this past weekend, no doubt about it. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna start things off with a good buddy of ours,
Speaker 1: especially a good buddy of kats. We've got Jeff skin
Speaker 1: Wait on Twitter, and he comes out and he says,
Speaker 1: this is a crucial question, by the way, and he says,
Speaker 1: when is a quote unquote safe amount of time to
Speaker 1: properly evaluate the success or failure of a team's particular draft.
Speaker 1: And I think this is especially important right now as
Speaker 1: we're extremely high on the entire draft class. We're extremely
Speaker 1: high after the past weekend. But when can we really
Speaker 1: evaluate whether this is a thumbs up or a thumbs down? Guys,
Speaker 1: three years, I think three years is the generally accepted
Speaker 1: time frame. And I think that that's I think that
Speaker 1: that's right. I think once you get three years in
Speaker 1: the books, you'll know has the guy turned into a starter,
Speaker 1: yet as he quality starters and your rotation piece, I
Speaker 1: think after three years in the league, you'll have a
Speaker 1: pretty good handle on where these guys are unless he
Speaker 1: plays quarterback, and then the entire world will still debate
Speaker 1: it forever. Yeah, good point, I think. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: definitely gonna take some time. I thought Will McClay had
Speaker 1: an awesome line when he was on with Jeff on
Speaker 1: one oh five three earlier this week when he was like,
Speaker 1: let's call it a well executed draft. We'll know if
Speaker 1: it was a home run when we're actually at the plate.
Speaker 1: I would even say probably, I would say two years,
Speaker 1: because you know, you even think about it. Byron Jones
Speaker 1: became an All Pro in his fourth year, which you know,
Speaker 1: totally justifies the pick. It was a good pick, but
Speaker 1: it's a little disappointing that the Cowboys needed three or
Speaker 1: four years to get that type of production out of
Speaker 1: their first round pick. I think in this age of
Speaker 1: the NFL where you know, you know, quarterbacks used to
Speaker 1: sit for like two years before they played. Now they're
Speaker 1: they're in the starting lineup right from the jumper. So
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, if your guy's not control ttributing
Speaker 1: after two years, that's pretty disappointing. Not to say that
Speaker 1: it can't work out. Byron Jones is proof of that.
Speaker 1: But two seasons is where I start to make my judgment,
Speaker 1: I think. So. I think everyone wants you to have
Speaker 1: like a super hot opinion here, but I'm gonna kind
Speaker 1: of ride in the middle. I think it also depends
Speaker 1: on what your franchise is doing a couple things. What's
Speaker 1: your franchise is draft history? Do you have a history
Speaker 1: of doing a pretty good job of the draft? Maybe
Speaker 1: I can, you know, cut you a little slack if
Speaker 1: you mess up one year, things like that, But too
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be a little different. This Cowboys team
Speaker 1: is close. They added good players who can help them now.
Speaker 1: So I can judge this draft at three years from now,
Speaker 1: four years from now, five years from now. Sure think
Speaker 1: about it saying I'm not saying this because I follow them.
Speaker 1: But if i'd the Packers that I'm close and went
Speaker 1: to the NFC Championship game and I'm mailed in a
Speaker 1: draft like they did last week, I think you can
Speaker 1: judge that draft the day after the draft ends, Like,
Speaker 1: I think you can judge that draft pretty harshly and say, oh,
Speaker 1: do you you're not? Are you not trying to help
Speaker 1: your team win now? And I don't realize there's a
Speaker 1: Georgan Love elmet there. But like the whole point is,
Speaker 1: I think it depends eight there's a whole different different
Speaker 1: types of branches that you can have on this conversation.
Speaker 1: And if I'm gonna give a general safe answer, yeah,
Speaker 1: two or three years sure, But you know, I think
Speaker 1: id Bengals, there's there's if you're the Bengals, there's a
Speaker 1: little more urgency for you to nail a draft. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna judge you immediately. Yeah, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and not to go off the rails on a Packer tangent.
Speaker 1: But like that team got a game away from the
Speaker 1: super Bowl with what they had. I know, like nobody
Speaker 1: is high on their draft. I don't really love it either,
Speaker 1: But maybe they're right about a lot of those guys
Speaker 1: and everybody else is wrong. I mean, two years from now,
Speaker 1: forget Jordan Love, Like two years from now, uh Daguia
Speaker 1: the tight end they drafted, and um Alan the running
Speaker 1: back out of Boston College. Like maybe those guys are
Speaker 1: total badasses. Who knows aj Dillon's gonna be a total badass.
Speaker 1: Neither do I. Neither do I, but crazier things have happened.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, I mean, you gotta at least give him.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I think rookie contracts are four years,
Speaker 1: so half of the life of the deal is when
Speaker 1: you can make a judgment on whether it was smart
Speaker 1: or not in my opinion, Okay, And it's really easy
Speaker 1: to judge a draft really early on. I mean, look
Speaker 1: at Tristan Hill's pick in twenty eighteen. People were judging
Speaker 1: that halfway through the season because one he wasn't active,
Speaker 1: so you could fairly kind of talk about the fact
Speaker 1: that he wasn't playing and he was a healthy scratch
Speaker 1: the majority of the time. But you're really quick to
Speaker 1: kind of tab that twenty eighteen draft as a failure
Speaker 1: with no first round pick, and then you have Tristan Hill,
Speaker 1: but you traded that first round pick for him Mary Cooper,
Speaker 1: who you're feeling pretty good about at the same time,
Speaker 1: so you kind of got to give it some time.
Speaker 1: I think I'm right around where Jeff and Dave are,
Speaker 1: where it's like two and a half three years where
Speaker 1: you start to kind of see where things developed. Now
Speaker 1: This next question goes a little bit further into the
Speaker 1: draft and we go back to the seventh round. This
Speaker 1: comes from Dustin Lowmiller and he asked, realistically, could you
Speaker 1: see Ben Denucci competing for the backup quarterback job or
Speaker 1: is he strictly a third string or practice squad kind
Speaker 1: of guy. The expectation should probably be that he's that
Speaker 1: he's a third stringer. That should be probably the realistic
Speaker 1: expectation for Cooper Rush, who's now been in the league
Speaker 1: for what three years, So that should be the expectation.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it's crazy that if he's consistently
Speaker 1: better than him in camp and he has a nice preseason,
Speaker 1: that he ends up being the backup quarterback. I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a whole bunch like there's not anything invested
Speaker 1: in Cooper Rush. If the guy plays better, I think
Speaker 1: he could take his job. Yeah, I think he could.
Speaker 1: I just don't expect it to happen. And you know,
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush has what this is his fourth NFL season.
Speaker 1: I believe he's been doing this for a while. I yeah,
Speaker 1: my expectation is for Denucci, if he's really good, I
Speaker 1: think he would be your third quarterback. There's two extra
Speaker 1: roster spots. Now you get fifty five guys, so you
Speaker 1: can it's a little bit easier to carry that third
Speaker 1: quarterback if you want to, or maybe stash him on
Speaker 1: the practice squad. I think Denucci would have to be
Speaker 1: an absolute baller to just outright take Cooper Rush's job,
Speaker 1: So I'm not counting on that, but it's not impossible. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Denucci would have to go full Romo in
Speaker 1: a preseason, you know, to do to take over Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: It always felt to me like they were trying to
Speaker 1: make Cooper Rush would be the next Jason Garrett. So
Speaker 1: that's always was always what I kind of felt. But
Speaker 1: then you get a new head coach in there, a
Speaker 1: head coach joke, Oh yeah it was. But well, yeah, look,
Speaker 1: we was a common denominator, low hanging fruit. Whatever. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about the Giants draft. We'll talk about the Giants
Speaker 1: draft in the next segment. Um. But uh, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy like but Bevin de Nucci's getting ties to
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, he's gonna have a little bit of a
Speaker 1: little bit of an advantage. Yeah. I think what's interesting
Speaker 1: about backup quarterback is, hey, I generally don't care about
Speaker 1: it too much because I don't I'm not counting on
Speaker 1: my quarterback getting hurt. B I would say that it's
Speaker 1: a situation where again, the pandemic is going to change
Speaker 1: a lot about how we think about this football team. Like,
Speaker 1: what if they shorten up preseason, there's only two preseason games,
Speaker 1: that's gonna hurt Ben Denucci's chance of making an impression,
Speaker 1: I would imagine. Okay, And kind of going off of that,
Speaker 1: our next question from Matt White sticks with the quarterback
Speaker 1: in the backup quarterback conversation, and I think it kind
Speaker 1: of adds to what Kat just mentioned with the fact
Speaker 1: of the pandemic coming into it. But Matt White asked
Speaker 1: Bingles releasing Andy Dalton, would he be a good pickup
Speaker 1: as a backup for Debt if he's making peanuts and
Speaker 1: he's gonna sign for basically nothing, like I'd love to
Speaker 1: have Jameis Winston on the deal with the Saints got him,
Speaker 1: But I think that's a different opportunity because I think
Speaker 1: Jamis is out there auditioning to be the next quarterback
Speaker 1: of the Saints, and I don't think that's what's happening.
Speaker 1: If somebody comes in here. Yeah, Yeah, if it's cheap
Speaker 1: and you can upgrade the backup quarterback slot and that
Speaker 1: guy's happy being a backup quarterback and knowing that that's
Speaker 1: what his job is, come on with it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think would be okay with that. Though if
Speaker 1: he signs, he would. I don't think he would sign
Speaker 1: here thinking he's gonna take Dak Prescott's job. If he does,
Speaker 1: he's a delusional guy, and that's a weird thing to
Speaker 1: have in my backup quarterbacks. So maybe I don't need that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not gonna get the Winston deal. That's insane,
Speaker 1: like way to go Saints. I don't. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's one in a million. But I would sign. I
Speaker 1: would be interested in signing Dalton even for like cheap
Speaker 1: for quarterback standards, you know, like if Andy Dalton wanted
Speaker 1: to sign here for like somewhere between I don't know,
Speaker 1: ten and twenty million, I don't know exactly what the
Speaker 1: ballpark would be, but like on a short deal or
Speaker 1: a one year deal, I would do it. It doesn't
Speaker 1: seem like they're using that extra cap space anyway. He's
Speaker 1: you know, he's started a lot of games in the league.
Speaker 1: He's taken him to the playoffs. He went to college
Speaker 1: in the DFW area. He knows the area. I believe
Speaker 1: he's got a house here. I would I would love that.
Speaker 1: I don't get the feeling that they would do it,
Speaker 1: and I'd be curious what his price would be, but
Speaker 1: I would definitely do it under the right circumstances. I
Speaker 1: think it would be great. I would say that he's
Speaker 1: way down on my call list of guys that I
Speaker 1: would be calling about trying to woo in for a
Speaker 1: one year deal, because ever since Griffin and Jadeveon Clowney,
Speaker 1: I'd still be making those calls on the one year
Speaker 1: deal situation, guys who are clearly not gonna make what
Speaker 1: they thought they were gonna make in the market. It's
Speaker 1: only gonna get worse because the economy of the league
Speaker 1: is going to change just a little bit slightly. And
Speaker 1: if I'm Any Dalton, I'm trying to see if New
Speaker 1: England's gonna have me in for a year, or I'm
Speaker 1: trying to see if Jacksonville is not fully committed to
Speaker 1: rolling out with Gardner Minshew. If I'm Andy Dalton, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to start somewhere. Not that I think
Speaker 1: he can do that, but I would still be looking
Speaker 1: there first. But look, yeah, he wants to come in
Speaker 1: and work for four million dollars or something. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: okay with that as long as I've exhausted all other options.
Speaker 1: And by that I mean calling Jadeveon Clowney and Everson Griffin. Hey, guys,
Speaker 1: one year, let's go make a run. Come on in.
Speaker 1: So with the backup quarterback spot. And I know, Katie
Speaker 1: you just mentioned a little bit ago. Normally you don't
Speaker 1: really talk about it, but with the current DAK situation,
Speaker 1: the current pandemic situation right now, if it were today,
Speaker 1: who would you feel more comfortable with? Cooper Rush, Ben
Speaker 1: Denucci or even Clayton Thorson thrown in there as well.
Speaker 1: Oh none of the above. Yeah, I mean, so you're
Speaker 1: saying outside higher here. Yeah. Oh no, I'm saying that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that my cornerback is a tank who never
Speaker 1: gets hurt. That's I mean, I'm not worried about it. Dak.
Speaker 1: He got hurt, he got hurt. He's gonna take anymore.
Speaker 1: We can't do that. He banged up his shoulder a
Speaker 1: little bit. It's fine, he couldn't throw. He's twenty, he
Speaker 1: couldn't throw for two weeks. Do you think that they're
Speaker 1: going to do you think they're gonna make a real move, Like,
Speaker 1: do you think they're gonna sign Dalton or anybody? I don't,
Speaker 1: but I think they might be wise too, because I think, oh,
Speaker 1: the idea that guys are indestructible is cool until they're not.
Speaker 1: And Dak is all he's not. Nobody's indestructible, and you'll
Speaker 1: find it out eventually. And they probably would have been
Speaker 1: better with better off with Cooper Russian that Eagles game,
Speaker 1: if they could redo it all over again because your
Speaker 1: quarterback couldn't throw. I don't disagree with you, I like
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's gonna be the guys that
Speaker 1: are here, and that doesn't make anybody feel good. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna roll. I'm just gonna roll and say, well,
Speaker 1: I hope my guys as durable as he's proven to
Speaker 1: be for most of his career. Now, yeah, go for it,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Kyle, No, no, no, we're getting need to
Speaker 1: get moving. You're right. So final question here on Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty and this comes from Steven Baird and
Speaker 1: Baird asked, He said, what do you project as the
Speaker 1: biggest positions of need for next year's draft? Now this
Speaker 1: is way looking ahead, I understand, but he said he
Speaker 1: wants to know because he wants some positions and players
Speaker 1: to watch for the upcoming collegian season, assuming that it
Speaker 1: ends up happening. Who are some of those different or
Speaker 1: what are some of those different positions of need that
Speaker 1: you think the Cowboys could draft next year? Linebackers, safety,
Speaker 1: defensive line. I would say, oh, go ahead, Kate, go ahead,
Speaker 1: Dave No, No, go ahead. Well, cornerback. Cornerback is still
Speaker 1: gonna be a thing because Cheeto and Jordan are going
Speaker 1: to be gone, So cornerback will still be a position
Speaker 1: that you look to Phil. I agree Dvid's line. I think,
Speaker 1: depending on what happens with jar One, tight end could
Speaker 1: be something that they consider as well. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: think Jeff kind of named him right there. We've been
Speaker 1: talked about safety for years. Yeah, I mean, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: go for it, Dave No, that's a good point. Um.
Speaker 1: I just and I look, I mean, he's had and
Speaker 1: he's missed games four years in a row. I understand
Speaker 1: the durability concerns with Tyrn Smith, but I don't have
Speaker 1: any indication as of now to think that he's going
Speaker 1: to stop playing in the next two to three years.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's that's definitely something they should
Speaker 1: look at. And again kind of like what we talked
Speaker 1: about this year is like, you know, if the right
Speaker 1: guys there or if there's a you know, Sadiq Charles
Speaker 1: is a guy that I would have loved if they
Speaker 1: had drafted this year. If it had fallen that way,
Speaker 1: it didn't work out for me. It's edge rusher, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'm I totally am on board with not drafting
Speaker 1: Chase On. I think Lamb was the right call. But
Speaker 1: you know, we all have high hopes for Bradley and
Speaker 1: I but I don't. You don't bank on that. You
Speaker 1: don't bank on Jalen Jelks and Doriance Armstrong. Alden Smith
Speaker 1: is on a one year dal also is not technically
Speaker 1: part of the team right now, So that's I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're talking, and for that matter, Tyrone Crawford, who
Speaker 1: we talked so much about, his deal is up at
Speaker 1: the end of the season as well. So for me,
Speaker 1: that is the that is the bright red trouble spot
Speaker 1: that I've got to come out of next year's draft
Speaker 1: with a playmaker at that position. I've got five names
Speaker 1: to add to the back half of this question because
Speaker 1: I was bored the other day and I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to see who we would be looking at in
Speaker 1: terms of a team. So I've got five names written down.
Speaker 1: First one is Alex Leatherwood, tackle out of Alabama, left tackle.
Speaker 1: It was kind of what I alluded to a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier. He's one of those potential top ten picks. Now.
Speaker 1: I do not expect the Cowboys, nor do I want
Speaker 1: the Cowboys to be in the top ten, but he's
Speaker 1: at least one of those top prospects. Same thing with
Speaker 1: Sam Cosme, I believe is how you say his name
Speaker 1: from Texas. Another guy who played right tackle, but he
Speaker 1: may even make the switch to left tackle coming up
Speaker 1: this season. Richard Lecant I believe, safety out of Georgia
Speaker 1: fifty tackles per season on average the last three years
Speaker 1: with the Bulldogs. He's somebody to look out for. Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons linebacker from Penn State, and Lebrian Ray defensive end
Speaker 1: and defensive tackle for Alabama. He could play inside and outside,
Speaker 1: had a leg injury leg issue last year, but he's
Speaker 1: six five, two hundred ninety two pounds and I think
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a breakout year this year for the
Speaker 1: Crimson Tide. So I wanted to throw some names out
Speaker 1: there that is going to do it for Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty though, when we come back, we're going to
Speaker 1: debate whether or not the Cowboys really did have the
Speaker 1: best draft in the NFC East. We'll discuss that and
Speaker 1: more when we return here on the Dallas Cowboys dot
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Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show this season. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: sad that the draft is now in the rear view mirror,
Speaker 1: but it's happy because, hey, the draft was well executed,
Speaker 1: in the words of Will McClay, and we have a
Speaker 1: lot to talk about moving forward into this twenty twenty season.
Speaker 1: But we've also got a lot to talk about when
Speaker 1: it comes to the NFC East and the drafts that
Speaker 1: were had by our divisional rivals. When it comes to
Speaker 1: the Eagles, the Giants, and the Redskins, Kyle Yeoman's Katie,
Speaker 1: David Hellman, and the great Jeff Kavanaugh here for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Let's start with the Eagles.
Speaker 1: They had an interesting draft and they were very angry
Speaker 1: at the beginning of it. Should they be angry though
Speaker 1: when it comes to Eagles fans. Whenever you look at
Speaker 1: guys like Jalen Jalen Hurts, Cabon Wallace, Prince Tega, Winago
Speaker 1: in the sixth round, by the way, a couple guys
Speaker 1: in there scattered throughout that can make an impact. What
Speaker 1: do you guys overall think about what the Philadelphia Eagles
Speaker 1: did in the draft. I think Eagle fans are gonna
Speaker 1: do what Eagle fans do, which is being mad at stuff,
Speaker 1: because it's kind of what they do, and I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of dumb. I think the Eagles had a
Speaker 1: draft that makes a ton of sense. For instance, I
Speaker 1: think that if you have a quarterback let's say, miss
Speaker 1: four games in a year, I think you have a
Speaker 1: better chance to win those games with Jalen Hurts than
Speaker 1: you do with Jordan Love. So they used a pick
Speaker 1: that was more than thirty picks later for a guy
Speaker 1: that I think can help you win tomorrow. If your
Speaker 1: quarterback gets hurt because he's willing to use his legs
Speaker 1: and carry the ball ten to fifteen times a game,
Speaker 1: you can simplify a game plan that can help you win,
Speaker 1: and your quarterback has shown that you somebody like that
Speaker 1: on your roster. So quarterbacks are so valuable if they
Speaker 1: ever have to touch the field. The odds are Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts is going to have to touch the field, which
Speaker 1: makes him more valuable than anybody else you were going
Speaker 1: to pick in the second round. And I think everybody
Speaker 1: got mad about the Jalen Ragar pick because everybody just
Speaker 1: reads mock drafts. Everybody reads mock drafts, and they kept
Speaker 1: seeing Justin Jefferson, and so people got excited about that.
Speaker 1: Ragor was my fourth wide receiver on my board. Jefferson
Speaker 1: was my sixth, So I think they made a good decision.
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of fans not everybody has
Speaker 1: the time or the want to or the access to
Speaker 1: study the players on their own. So I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people were getting excited about a certain name
Speaker 1: and he was available and they didn't pick him, and
Speaker 1: so they assumed the other guy's not good at football.
Speaker 1: And I had Ragor rated hire as a prospect than Jefferson,
Speaker 1: So I don't think anybody in the East had a
Speaker 1: bad draft. I think dave On Taylor, the linebacker round
Speaker 1: a Colorado in the third and Cavan Wallace in the
Speaker 1: fourth are good picks at good value. John Hidetower the
Speaker 1: Boys receiver, and the fifth is good value. The Eagles,
Speaker 1: I think had a fine draft. You know, if you're
Speaker 1: a letter grad knit, I think that's a bat B
Speaker 1: pus something like that. And I know they're they're just
Speaker 1: getting killed because they picked a quarterback. Your team needs
Speaker 1: to care about backup quarterback. Your quarterback gets hurt. Not
Speaker 1: only that, but and I keep saying this, like the
Speaker 1: more I think about the Hurts pick, the more I
Speaker 1: like it. To be honest, Like, I don't understand how
Speaker 1: Eagle fans have so little trust in Howie Roseman. Like
Speaker 1: the guy put together a super Bowl winning team. He's
Speaker 1: done so much smart stuff. He traded up to get
Speaker 1: you wins. He makes deals during draft weekend all the
Speaker 1: time to improve the roster. By the way, they went
Speaker 1: and got m Marquise Goodwin during the draft, which helps
Speaker 1: them in the short term. Smart. But then you have
Speaker 1: a creative coach like Doug Peterson. Jalen Hurts can be
Speaker 1: insurance for Carson Wentz. But on top of that, he
Speaker 1: can do like Jeff said, he can do stuff as
Speaker 1: a runner. He could probably do a little you know,
Speaker 1: nothing crazy but a little bit of receiver work, some
Speaker 1: read option stuff. I think it's really smart. And then
Speaker 1: on day three they just threw numbers at their problems,
Speaker 1: Like they drafted two receivers, they drafted two line two
Speaker 1: linebacker type players, they drafted two offensive linemen. If even
Speaker 1: like two of those guys hit, Like let's say, if
Speaker 1: John high Tower hits and Jalen Rager is a good player,
Speaker 1: then your receiver corps looks pretty good for the foreseeable futures.
Speaker 1: So they're getting killed right now, and I won't be
Speaker 1: surprised if they look really smart in eighteen months. Well,
Speaker 1: they have a type, don't they Raiger, John high Tower,
Speaker 1: Quez Watkins, who's more of a you know, fringe roster
Speaker 1: player right now, If they have a type speed guys,
Speaker 1: and they'll all mix in. They've already gotten you know,
Speaker 1: de Sean Jackson on the team who can still run
Speaker 1: a little bit. And then training for you know, markis
Speaker 1: good one night, as you said, yeah, really it's just
Speaker 1: Archaga Whitesides. They're only kind of like slower types. They're
Speaker 1: trying to get fast, and I like when NFL teams
Speaker 1: in this day age try to get fast. I think
Speaker 1: that's an important thing to do. So now I thought
Speaker 1: they a fine draft. Again, you know, with mean Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: It's not what I would have done there. I understand
Speaker 1: the rational behind the pick, but I was probably lower
Speaker 1: on Hurts than maybe a lot of other people. But yes,
Speaker 1: they did have to, you know, approach backup quarterback. There's
Speaker 1: no denying that at all. It's just can you get
Speaker 1: by with Nate Subfield or Kyle let letta. They obviously
Speaker 1: feel like they don't. But that's where Andy Dalton has
Speaker 1: become available and things like that. If you wanted to
Speaker 1: go that route, you know, I would have probably got something,
Speaker 1: you know, in the second round that they could help
Speaker 1: in another area when you're looking at their defensive line.
Speaker 1: They did so good in free agency as well, getting
Speaker 1: Javon Hargrave to play right next to Fletcher Cox. That's
Speaker 1: just really good work. So I the Eagles are gonna
Speaker 1: be tough. I still think the Cowboys are the favorite
Speaker 1: to win the division, but the Eagles are gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: I think Howard Roseman is one of like five gms
Speaker 1: where if he does something I just implicitly trust that
Speaker 1: it's probably smart. Like not everything that they do is
Speaker 1: going to work out. But his track record since he
Speaker 1: got the job back from Chip Kelly is pretty damn good,
Speaker 1: So I don't get why everybody's hating well going off
Speaker 1: of that, do you guys want to go to the
Speaker 1: opposite side of that spectrum and go look at the
Speaker 1: New York Giants and see what they did in their
Speaker 1: draft or where were we going out with that? Because
Speaker 1: you've got Andrew Thomas, Xavier McKinney, Darnay Holmes. Those are
Speaker 1: all great names. But was the value correct for each
Speaker 1: one of those picks? Probably? I think the Andrew Thomas
Speaker 1: pick is the interesting one because a lot of people
Speaker 1: didn't have him as their top offensive tackle, but I
Speaker 1: think I can see how a team would trust him
Speaker 1: the most out of all the offensive tackles. You're a
Speaker 1: four year starter at Georgia that just kept getting better.
Speaker 1: And Xavier McKinney at number thirty six overall, I think
Speaker 1: that's right about where he should have gone. It could
Speaker 1: have seen him going just a little bit earlier. I
Speaker 1: don't love the rest of their draft, but I think
Speaker 1: they picked two guys they're gonna be rock solid starters
Speaker 1: for at least four years. On their team. So I
Speaker 1: won't kill the Giants draft either. Again, I don't think
Speaker 1: there was a bad draft in the East. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, who knows how much influence Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett has at this point in his Giant's career. But
Speaker 1: I don't know. Andrew Thomas just feels like such a
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett pick, Like I get steady four year starter Jason, Like,
Speaker 1: I can just imagine Jason Garrett being like, uh, we're
Speaker 1: really gonna gamble on somebody's upside when we've seen this
Speaker 1: guy just kick ass in the SEC for four years.
Speaker 1: So you know, maybe somebody, maybe another tackle in this
Speaker 1: draft class has a better career. But I bet Andrew
Speaker 1: Thomas starts and plays well for a long time in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I mean, I hate the McKinney pick
Speaker 1: because the Giants made it, but I like that pick
Speaker 1: a lot. I mean, that's right where they got Landon
Speaker 1: Collins out of the same school a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: That worked out pretty well. I don't know if Davier
Speaker 1: McKinney's as good as Landing Collins, but that value for
Speaker 1: that players great. I'm with Jeff, I don't I don't
Speaker 1: have a strong opinion about the rest of these picks.
Speaker 1: I don't know if part from Yukon is gonna be
Speaker 1: anything crazy, but those first two picks seem seemed pretty nice. Well.
Speaker 1: They have some older guys in the offensive line. Kevin Zeitler,
Speaker 1: the former Brown's gray is getting older, Nate Solder is
Speaker 1: getting older. Matt Peart the third round. That's excellent value.
Speaker 1: I liked Timbelbott, the Connecticut offensive tackle Shane Lemieu in
Speaker 1: the fifth round. To me, like those are your Solder
Speaker 1: and those are your Zeitler replacements, Like you're already gearing
Speaker 1: up for one of these teams. It's it's more a
Speaker 1: building for the future type draft in terms of how
Speaker 1: they dealt with the offensive line a little bit. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Zavian McKinnell come in and likely start. And I like
Speaker 1: what the Giants have done too. They added some help
Speaker 1: on defense. They signed Kyler Fackrel, who can help off
Speaker 1: the edge a little bit as a pass rusher. He'll
Speaker 1: probably start for them, I know, would play and at
Speaker 1: three to four, and sometimes you can play a little
Speaker 1: coverage as a linebacker as well. And then you know,
Speaker 1: they signed Blake Martinez as wealth and the packers to
Speaker 1: play in the middle. But you're like, they want to
Speaker 1: run the ball and they want to protect their quarterback
Speaker 1: who got killed last year. So those are two ways
Speaker 1: to start working on that draft off It's mind I'd
Speaker 1: always agree with like their direction. I would have probably
Speaker 1: tried to add something to that wide receiver corps. Like
Speaker 1: they're they're asking a lot out of Corey Coleman right
Speaker 1: now going into this year. But you look at what
Speaker 1: they got last year. Golden Taint, it's gonna give you
Speaker 1: what he gives you if he could stay healthy. Stirling
Speaker 1: Shephard got hurt a little bit last year, but if
Speaker 1: he could stay healthy, we know he's solid. And then
Speaker 1: Darius Slayton had a great year, like he's got, you know,
Speaker 1: wide receiver number two upsides. They got three guys who
Speaker 1: have this kind of like upside to kind of be
Speaker 1: like a number two type wide receiver. You know, they
Speaker 1: didn't get that number one wide receiver type man. Offensive
Speaker 1: tackle is a dire need. They they did not want
Speaker 1: to start Cameron Fleming at left tackle this year, and
Speaker 1: like Daniel Jones get killed again, they just can't do that.
Speaker 1: That's problems the needs whenever it comes to go for Dane,
Speaker 1: I'll go ahead, who he's got the worst receiver corps
Speaker 1: between the Redskins and the Giants, because obviously the Eagles
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys are both I think better than those two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Redskins second wide receivers, you know, either Kelvin Harman or
Speaker 1: Trey Quinn from smbun Yeah, I think I think I
Speaker 1: give the Giants the nod over the Washington That's not
Speaker 1: a super inspiring group over there, Yeah, just barely though,
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's not a convincing win in terms
Speaker 1: of the wide receiving corps. But what I was gonna
Speaker 1: say was just in terms of the offensive line. I mean,
Speaker 1: three of their first five picks when you're talking about
Speaker 1: the Giants were from that offensive line side of things.
Speaker 1: Matthew Partt in that third round, like Katam mentioned, its
Speaker 1: Jane Lemieux I mentioned this on the draft coverage, but
Speaker 1: going into the twenty nineteen drafts or college football season rather,
Speaker 1: he was heralded as one of the maybe first round
Speaker 1: second round locks in the offensive line. Didn't have a
Speaker 1: great twenty nineteen and so he fell all the way
Speaker 1: to the fifth. But I still think that's a magnificent
Speaker 1: value and a guy who's a little bit of a
Speaker 1: project but could fill in and be an admirable starter
Speaker 1: for a long time. Now you mentioned the Redskins there, Dave,
Speaker 1: Chase Young, Antonio Gibson should eat carl Or Charles. Excuse
Speaker 1: me a couple of their overall I guess highlights from
Speaker 1: the draft. What are we thinking with having to face
Speaker 1: Chase Young twice a year? That's not necessarily what you want.
Speaker 1: But they did go out and get Antonio Gaine the
Speaker 1: Golden from Liberty to try and beef up that wide
Speaker 1: receiver corps. What do we think about Washington's draft? I think,
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, top to bottom, it's probably my least
Speaker 1: favorite group from rounds one to seven, but it has
Speaker 1: the best player in the draft, so they get credit
Speaker 1: for that. And I mean drafting Chase Young is a
Speaker 1: no brainer, but they still got him. He's still going
Speaker 1: to be rushing the passer for at least five years,
Speaker 1: so that's a win in my book. But then I
Speaker 1: don't know. Antonio Gibson picks sixty six scenes a little early.
Speaker 1: I love Sadiq Charles as a player, but he comes
Speaker 1: with off field concerns that you have to take seriously. Um,
Speaker 1: you know he only played half of last season for LSU.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he can stay on the straight and
Speaker 1: narrow with the Redskins. So I mean, you know your
Speaker 1: your top three picks. You know they oh they didn't
Speaker 1: have a second because of their trade last year for
Speaker 1: months as a sweat. So your top three picks, you
Speaker 1: might only have Chase Young as your pure thing. So
Speaker 1: I don't love that, but again, Chase Young is a
Speaker 1: pretty nice thing to have. Go ahead, Jeff, I wasna
Speaker 1: say three of their four top picks carry pretty large
Speaker 1: elements of risk. Antonio Gibson, how are you going to
Speaker 1: use him? Is he playing receivers? He playing running back?
Speaker 1: Is your offensive staff equipped to use him properly? And
Speaker 1: was sixty six too early? Sadiq Charles Um all of
Speaker 1: the things that Dave is talking about. Is he going
Speaker 1: to be able to just show up and be a pro.
Speaker 1: Maybe you got a steal, Maybe you got somebody who's
Speaker 1: not gonna make it, and only a Gandy Golden who
Speaker 1: I liked his tape. But the forty time at the
Speaker 1: Combine and then the fact that you played at Liberty,
Speaker 1: like there's an element of risk there. So the Redskins,
Speaker 1: to me, are the biggest wild card where they might
Speaker 1: have hit a home run with their first four picks,
Speaker 1: and they might have whipped on three of the four.
Speaker 1: They're weird, right, Like, are they gonna run Adrian Peterson
Speaker 1: back out there again? And obviously they'd like Darius guys
Speaker 1: to get healthy, and you know there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on with their training staff and his health. You know.
Speaker 1: Terry McLaren though, had a great year. McLaurin, sorry, And
Speaker 1: I think what I would say about Antonio Gibson. I
Speaker 1: know he's a different build, a little bit bigger, but
Speaker 1: he's a guy I think who they might be looking
Speaker 1: to play that kind of Chris Thompson role that was
Speaker 1: so excellent for them, you know years ago. He's a
Speaker 1: guy that no matter what, they're gonna find a way
Speaker 1: to get the ball to him ten to fifteen times
Speaker 1: a game. They're gonna hand it to a few times,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna throw it to him probably seven times.
Speaker 1: So I wonder if that's kind of what the role
Speaker 1: they're looking for for him. You know, nothing i'd say
Speaker 1: about their draft when you look at what they did
Speaker 1: after Chase Young Snake Charles in the fourth round. Could
Speaker 1: could come start for that. You know, they traded Trent
Speaker 1: Williams away. He could come start to gain it. He
Speaker 1: might have to. And also Keith this mel is a
Speaker 1: good player. Like Keith this Mel is a center that
Speaker 1: I thought the Cowboys might want to be interested in.
Speaker 1: And I like be aish better than that. But Keith
Speaker 1: this Mel is a good player. Like they got some
Speaker 1: pretty good value late in the draft when I looked
Speaker 1: up and down their board. But yeah, again, you know,
Speaker 1: you go, what's gonna happen with Antonio Gibson? Was that
Speaker 1: too early? I don't know, depending on how they utilize him.
Speaker 1: He was dangerous. He's got some great highlights. He's got
Speaker 1: some really good tape playing in the slot mostly at Memphis.
Speaker 1: He was very fun to watch. But yeah, sixty six
Speaker 1: is maybe a little rich for me. So I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the key. They definitely need a little
Speaker 1: more offensive firepower. They'll find out if he can kind
Speaker 1: of give that to them immediately or and I just
Speaker 1: I can't help but think they're gonna run out and
Speaker 1: Peters again and play slow ball on offense. That's just
Speaker 1: not the way you win. Win by playing slow on offense,
Speaker 1: the ageless one. I'll tell you. I'll tell you one
Speaker 1: thing either. Like me as a Cowboys beat writer, this
Speaker 1: this will be my eighth season covering the team and
Speaker 1: going to the games. I think of Washington as like
Speaker 1: the least juicy divisional rivalry for obvious reasons, like it's
Speaker 1: been the longest since they've been good. They almost never
Speaker 1: beat the Cowboys, Like I think, you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: record against him is like they win like eighty five
Speaker 1: percent of the meetings since since like twenty ten. But
Speaker 1: Cowboys OZ line verse Redskins D line. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: some mussy TV. Like you add Chase Young to what
Speaker 1: was already a pretty sturdy group. They traded up for
Speaker 1: Montez Sweat last year. They've got the two Bama guys,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Allen and Ron Payne, and then hopefully they keep
Speaker 1: Ryan Carrigan around because he's one of the most underrated
Speaker 1: players in the league. As far as I'm concerned, that
Speaker 1: is just scintillating stuff to watch if you're into line play.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see that next year. It's definitely
Speaker 1: gonna be much watched TV. But before we get out
Speaker 1: of here, way too early. Are the Cowboys the favorite
Speaker 1: of the division after the draft and the undrafted free
Speaker 1: agents that they added, Yes, I'll say, I say, I
Speaker 1: say no, I say, you got to prove it. The
Speaker 1: Eagles won the division with an incredibly depleted team last year.
Speaker 1: I will probably pick the Cowboys to win the division
Speaker 1: because I believe that your record in one score games
Speaker 1: evens out year to year. I believe that they're gonna
Speaker 1: win ten or eleven games, but they should not be
Speaker 1: the favorite. The Eagles have built that d line even better,
Speaker 1: They've addressed their secondary, and they beat you last year
Speaker 1: with the walking wounded roster. So no, you gotta earn it.
Speaker 1: I like it. Yeah, I agree with that. I think
Speaker 1: it's I think it's you can call it a toss up,
Speaker 1: like it should come down to those two teams. It'll
Speaker 1: you know, it'll probably come down to whether or not
Speaker 1: you can win at the Link, just like it did
Speaker 1: last year. I yeah, on paper, i'd give Philly a
Speaker 1: slight nod. Go earn it, Cowboys. You were supposed to
Speaker 1: be better last year and you disappointed, So go prove
Speaker 1: why we're wrong. It's an even number a year twenty
Speaker 1: twenty Cowboys are your favorite to win the division. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's been a while since you've had back to back winners,
Speaker 1: so why not the Cowboys. Let's throw that in there.
Speaker 1: But got a long list of people to think Specifically,
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Speaker 1: It's been fun for you guys, or just to be
Speaker 1: in the same conversation as you three, both Katie and
Speaker 1: Jeff I've listened to you guys for years talk about
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Speaker 1: great work with the with the Cowboys. Overall, it's been
Speaker 1: a blast for me this season on The Draft Show
Speaker 1: and I can't wait to do it again. Great job, Kyle,
Speaker 1: was great having you on good edition. Love doing this
Speaker 1: show with y'all. Uh yeah, successful. And we'll just go
Speaker 1: ahead and take credit for the lamp pick too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love you. Yeah. We willed that to happen, right, yeahah,
Speaker 1: we made that happen. We'll do it again next year.
Speaker 1: Getting you ready for the thirty second pick in the draft.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, wouldn't that be great? That would be great.
Speaker 1: I hope yeah, I hope that's true. We would if
Speaker 1: they picked thirty second, we might not start the draft
Speaker 1: show until like late February. If that's the case. Cowboys
Speaker 1: select DeVante Smith, Alabama wide receiver fourteen. I like it,
Speaker 1: Team fifty Burger, Okay, I like it. So we've got
Speaker 1: to start that trending between now and next April as well.
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