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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jay dot im, a production of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: What's up Everybody, It's it's it's Jill Scott. Here, it's

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Speaker 1: just Scott. Here, it's Jill Scott with an exclamation point

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Speaker 1: at the damn end. It's Jill Scott. I like to

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Speaker 1: throw a note on there. Let's just look Scott. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Jay dot Il the podcast and my brown Can

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Speaker 1: you see my color? I too? Do? Oh like I

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Speaker 1: can't stand you. Yeah, it's given a slightly toasted chocolate cookie.

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Speaker 1: You can listen. These are the lies I want you

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Speaker 1: to throw all the time. I want you to continue

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Speaker 1: to fortify my brown skinness. Okay, all my life, okay,

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Speaker 1: all my life. I thought I was brown skin I

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Speaker 1: did not. You thought she was giving ginger Snap, but

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Speaker 1: she was really giving Nilo Way for girls. You know.

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Speaker 1: I did not give Nilla. I gave fig Newton. It's

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Speaker 1: okay because I'm projecting, because I have a cousin who

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Speaker 1: always pulling my neck. She's like, you're not as brown

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Speaker 1: as you think. I feel like you're not giving what

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Speaker 1: you think you're giving. Living a lie. I just knew.

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Speaker 1: I just knew because my grandmother was brown, and that man,

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Speaker 1: I was brown too. You couldn't tell me nothing different.

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Speaker 1: Want to know what are you talking about. I'm just

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Speaker 1: glad that the brown skinned girls are being seen, people

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Speaker 1: are actually paying attention to all that beauty blue ivy girls. Well,

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Speaker 1: the reason that I'm brown are benches. The reason a

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Speaker 1: little brown, or if you will, the reason for that

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Speaker 1: is because I went to St. Thomas over the holidays

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Speaker 1: and that was awesome. Beautiful, beautiful views, beautiful island. Um

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Speaker 1: sweet people, wonderful food. Um Man. We we saw three

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Speaker 1: different beaches and each one was just perfect, perfect. But

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Speaker 1: there was a moment when when I caught a little

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Speaker 1: wake up, a little realization, if you will, like your

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Speaker 1: Saint Clair and age grading Dazzler, Yeah, I had a

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Speaker 1: little realization of some things. Um As we're sitting there

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Speaker 1: and the sun is going down and we're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's so nice. The kids are playing in the water.

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Speaker 1: The lady that had been selling stuff along the beach,

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Speaker 1: um uh so, the cutest green bag. She she was like,

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Speaker 1: all right, I'm going home now, and we're like, okay,

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Speaker 1: good night, thank you, and she was like, and you

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Speaker 1: should go home too, and walked away and we were like,

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Speaker 1: oh that was different. We're saying. You know. Then we

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Speaker 1: happened to look to the right of me and the

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Speaker 1: chairs that were all along the beach are now few.

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Speaker 1: So the guy comes over who has graciously put up

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Speaker 1: our chairs and our umbrella for ten dollars each. He says, well,

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Speaker 1: it's time to take off the chairs. And I was like,

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Speaker 1: what you mean. He's like, well, um, it's it's time

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Speaker 1: to take off the chairs. I was like, but we're

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Speaker 1: in them, you know, we rented them. He was like,

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Speaker 1: you'll have to rent them again. It's different people now.

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Speaker 1: I was like, what now, I don't know if that's

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Speaker 1: the good same time, it's exit because thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to just giving us the flavors. So

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden I smell like this mass weed.

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Speaker 1: I was like, wow, they didn't sell that on the

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Speaker 1: beach earlier, you know. And I was like, okay, I'm plotting,

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Speaker 1: wasn't hard, I will say that, but I noticed the

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Speaker 1: people that had made this amazing meal. We had some

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Speaker 1: oxtail and some um some rice. Oh my god, that rice.

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Speaker 1: What did they put in that rice? I don't know,

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Speaker 1: but it was so good delicious meal. They're all standing

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Speaker 1: and they got a bear in hand. And I was like, oh.

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Speaker 1: I keep looking around and somebody's now getting their hair

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Speaker 1: And I realized I got these kids here. It's time

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Speaker 1: looks over at Jet and just stops in mid movement,

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Speaker 1: looking at Jet. Jet is looking at him, looking at him.

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Speaker 1: He was looking at Jet like mind f and business.

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Speaker 1: He was cussing in his eyeballs. I was like, okay,

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Speaker 1: same packing up the corn. Okay, it's not recognizing that

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Speaker 1: see my family walking towards me, and I'm standing there

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Speaker 1: with Jet, and I see a little girl, this cute

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Speaker 1: little thing with two ponytails, and I say hi, she's

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Speaker 1: walking in between the cars. She walked all the way

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Speaker 1: girl gave me the f you finger of sounds a

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Speaker 1: meant for you, for you, bitch, for you move your feet.

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Speaker 1: You just said hello. I was like wow, and it

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Speaker 1: hit me like a brick. We're on their island. They've

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Speaker 1: been serving send us all day. They got her juice.

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Speaker 1: There are beverages, we bought bags and trinkets. Um they

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Speaker 1: made them oxtails with their bomb ass rice and served

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Speaker 1: it all friendly and nice all day long. But now

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Speaker 1: it's our time, tourists. It can't be our time, Like

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Speaker 1: is time for a time ago to go home. We're

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Speaker 1: black and grown. People were getting their hair braided. People

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Speaker 1: were playing dominoes. But that kind of party, why are

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Speaker 1: love music to different different for you, for you. It's

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Speaker 1: like when you go to certain restaurants where you eat

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Speaker 1: certain types of Asian food in all of the tables

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Speaker 1: the square, but that round table in the back it

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Speaker 1: is for the family. Yeah, you are teaching me things

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Speaker 1: an that round table back. Then nobody sits at that

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Speaker 1: round table. Is now even on the menu? They're not.

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Speaker 1: That's not even on the menu. After they close up

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Speaker 1: that way they eat in that That's right. I feel

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Speaker 1: like that more are welcoming, like you know, come on,

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Speaker 1: y'all get some of the same time. It's that y'all

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Speaker 1: might not know about. I thought that everybody was lovely,

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Speaker 1: everybody was sweet and nice and helpful. We needed directions

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Speaker 1: many times, and everybody was just they stopped what they

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Speaker 1: I think it's bigger than that. I think it's about

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Speaker 1: them keeping their island to themselves, to keep their culture,

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Speaker 1: to keep their way like and you're not invited unless

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Speaker 1: you're invited. We were not invited. And my people from St. Timas,

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Speaker 1: you look like a told you wouldn't have bought that bag,

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Speaker 1: and you wouldn't have rented that ten dollar chair when

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Speaker 1: you could have just took one. I don't like when

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Speaker 1: y'all make points more real talk after the break. It

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Speaker 1: reminds me of a situation out, you know, and this

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Speaker 1: is different. But I was real cool with my daughter's

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Speaker 1: neighborhood changing, you know, neighbor you know, ain't They're coming

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Speaker 1: a little business here the house, you know, And I'm

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Speaker 1: was just like, oh, he's like, you're a gentrifier too.

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Speaker 1: Just clutches. I'm a what, I don't understand how you're gentified.

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Speaker 1: You've been living in your house for like twenty years.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what You've been living in my house

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Speaker 1: It's the same rate as the people that have been

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Speaker 1: And now and now Whole Foods wants to move in.

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Speaker 1: Hopefuls ain't coming because you're there. Yeah, and you're and

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Speaker 1: you're you're worried about You're a hundred percent correct about that,

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Speaker 1: circled back to my reading list, and I pulled out

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Speaker 1: since my birthday, honestly, because this this birthday, I realized

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Speaker 1: so yes. And so I've been like, I'm circling back

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Speaker 1: black women, and what things we hold dear and sacred.

424
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: Because in a minute, they are not gonna want to

425
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: print any more T shirts with Black Girl Magic on it.

426
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, I'm just saying, all that's gonna

427
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: be done. Hey, listen, they're shrinking their bodies back to

428
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: in a minute, the black girl body is not going

429
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: to be the hot chip. People are taking that ship

430
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: the funk out. Oh yeah, girl. They have something called

431
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: the skinny BBL. Now did you know that? Oh shocks,

432
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: Oh yes, the surgeries and folding back in. This is

433
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: why this is why we gate keep. This is why

434
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: we have to We have to hold on. You have

435
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,879
Speaker 1: to hold on to something of our own. I just

436
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: wish that we could make a collective decision on what

437
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 1: it was. It might be too late. We're gonna take

438
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: a quick break and then we'll be right back. All

439
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,119
Speaker 1: I'm saying is that we really are in a capitalistic society,

440
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: and we were raised as capit the list. So if

441
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: I have something good that I could sell to make money,

442
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: it's it's inbred. It's in there, it's in there, It's

443
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: all in us. I never realized how American I am

444
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: until I go to another country and be like, oh,

445
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: ship m h, I am one of them. We girl.

446
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: We see it on the internets all the time. It's

447
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:23,119
Speaker 1: like everything that every people confuse liberation with, like, you know,

448
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: making money. It's the the LLC squad. You need to

449
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: get you a LLC, you need to get you a password,

450
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: you need to get it. It's like that. That's that's

451
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: how we're going to ascend as a race of people.

452
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna bring this up because we remember we

453
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,679
Speaker 1: talked to some show and he was saying how it

454
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:41,719
Speaker 1: is a weird kind of relationship we have with blackness

455
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: and when to be black culture and where it's like

456
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: race as a construct. You know, it's a thing that

457
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: we were assigned in relationship to whiteness. So it it

458
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 1: has a funny history, you know, and I understand why

459
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 1: are we tend to misuse it because it was never

460
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: thing we ever really were. We didn't become black until

461
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: we got off the boats. Before we got on them boats,

462
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: we was you know, europe book. We was saying, you know, Ebo,

463
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Ashanti. We were these things.

464
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: We were ethnic groups that had practices and languages and

465
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 1: things in which we could unify around things that we

466
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: could do, you know, coming of age ceremonies. So we

467
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 1: became black in relationship to whiteness. So it gets tricky

468
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: at this by our Christmas. Yes, and now, of course

469
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: we have created culture that we're proud of. Yes, innovated,

470
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: and we've made this gumbo and we are responsible for

471
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: this and this has influenced the world. And so yes,

472
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: that's something to hold to your chest. But the fact

473
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: that we don't quite know how to deal with it

474
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: speak to the fact that it kind of don't exist.

475
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: Black isn't even a thing. Really really did make it

476
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: a thing. It may not have started as a thing,

477
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: but like you just said, didn't we like said a

478
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: thing what's at its root isn't a thing really, what's

479
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: at it's route. So it's all there. So like from

480
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: the jazz to the no, no, no, not, what we

481
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 1: made from it is beautiful. I'm saying, I understand why

482
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 1: we struggle with it because at the end of the day,

483
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: what we built, the beginnings of it is just a

484
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: response to something else, something that they put on us

485
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: that we actually aren't nobody actually white, and ain't nobody

486
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 1: actually black. You know what I'm saying, That particular binary

487
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: was created and it wasn't created by us. Now now

488
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: we're here now that being said, I love being black.

489
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Being said, I'm proud of all that we have done.

490
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: That being said, I don't like to see people, uh

491
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: making it into a commodity in any and everybody getting

492
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: a piece and us getting nothing. With that being said,

493
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: I hate feeling eraced. All of those things are valid,

494
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, this is what we're trying to achieve

495
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: and talk about. It's complicated, it's hard. It is complicated.

496
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: It is to see like for black Americans, well, I

497
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: guess here it's gonna be for us the most out

498
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: of everybody, but nobody is in their rightful place in

499
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: that way, which is interesting, right because liken't we all

500
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: moved from one area to multiples. Well, yeah, we're a

501
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: diaspora for sure, okay. And I say, even in those islands,

502
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: the history of those islands and how we got there,

503
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: their story can be compared to blackness in America in

504
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: a way, right, Like, I'm just it's to me, you're

505
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 1: saying that, You're saying that regardless of where where we are. Uh,

506
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: that makes sense, It does make sense. Mm hmm. You know,

507
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta room in my house, and I

508
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: have a lot of artwork that m I collected over

509
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: the years, things that that just instinctually, I was like, Ah,

510
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: this's got to come home with me. And I've I

511
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: brought this artwork home and I put all of this amazing,

512
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: beautiful artwork in my house. And I realized recently that

513
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: I knew that I knew for certain, maybe three or

514
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 1: four the masks on my walls. That's what I'm talking

515
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: about the time in some parts. But I don't know

516
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: all of those masks. I mean, I pray over them,

517
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, I cleanse them. You know, I saved my stuff,

518
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to a mask and something that

519
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know what it means. What I'm saying

520
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: is I collected it because it spoke to me. I

521
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: was like you coming home with me. That's how I

522
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: chose it. But do I do? I understand them all?

523
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: Not at all? And I think that's where the interesting

524
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 1: thing comes with being a black American. We have pieced

525
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: me on ourselves into this place. We don't we don't

526
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: know enough. We're aware of things. Being aware of them

527
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you understand it. We have all these

528
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: fabrics I know, I do something. I know what they are,

529
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: something I don't. I just like the fabric to another culture,

530
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: to some someone else. This could be a sacred fabric.

531
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. You know. It was a whole argument

532
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: a few years ago around Kine, the whole argument about

533
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: this variation. Yes girl, yes, yes, but you know again

534
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: again you know, and we're moving into a different part

535
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 1: of this conversation now, but you know what, let's speak

536
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: on it. But then and again, when you think about

537
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: things like quilts, that is Africa, that's that's that's our Kente.

538
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 1: Those kinds of things are ways in which you see

539
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: our Africanness described and expressed in ways that were meant

540
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: to preserve who we were, right and who I believe.

541
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: The Quakers were making quilts, not about certain kinds of quilts, right,

542
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: So you have like I learned about this in class.

543
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: Whereas like um, you know, in certain parts of the South,

544
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the a lot of the early quiotes

545
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: that we may had a lot of circles on them.

546
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: And this was a specific thing that spoke to the

547
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 1: Congo people who were in large groups in certain parts

548
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: of the Carolinas. And so they worked with goals and

549
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: circles and things where you know, so these were symbols

550
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 1: that came from their ethnic groups that they begin to

551
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: sow into clothing that they put on to pottery all

552
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: they and they start to see a lot of these things.

553
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: And so that kind of those kinds of practices exist

554
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: all over the diaspora. They exist in Brazil, they exist

555
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: in the Carolinas, they exist in the Caribbean, they exist everywhere.

556
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: So there's a very real diaspora that we're talking about here.

557
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: But I think culture, because it can be so local,

558
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: so specific, soul soul special. Right when we start talking

559
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: about black culture as an umbrella. It's big and wide.

560
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 1: That's a very large, big, wide thing. And to say

561
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: something is black is putting something that is so complex

562
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: and so diverse under an umbrella that white people invented.

563
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: You can say, okay, well because like really you could

564
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: say I'm from Chicago in the same way a person

565
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: says I'm Nigerian. Really you can do that because you

566
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: go to Chicago and it's black cultural dances in chip

567
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: cargo that exists, and we're built and made out of Chicago.

568
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: Now we do that. I feel like we do that

569
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: when somebody say you from d C. Is like, you

570
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: know what that means? I'm doing. But I feel like, again,

571
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: like I said, just just just not that we don't

572
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: do it, just you know, continuing to press and push

573
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: the idea of what culture is and how we identify culture.

574
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 1: Once we can identify it and really own it and

575
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: really recognize what is culture, what is sacred? I think

576
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: you gotta first acknowledge that it ain't a big umbrella

577
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: fun that's a whole lot of small, beautiful things, right,

578
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: That's what I think. And it does have some things

579
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: that tie it together for sure, because there's certain ways

580
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: we talk and like certain ways we do things that

581
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: we all do. Even like you ever read or sometimes

582
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: on Twitter and people like, oh, we were raised by

583
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: the same people. All black people raised by the same parents.

584
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: Everybody's parents did the same thing. Everybody. There is commonality

585
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: in generation that you grew up in that there's kind

586
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: manality amongst certain kinds of food. You said you had

587
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: that right, She's like, I don't know what was in

588
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: that rice. It's you know, when you think about Joe

589
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: Off and how that rice. Race is a thing for us,

590
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: But Joel Loft ain't the same as Nigerian Off. They're

591
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: gonna argue you down, you know what I'm saying. And

592
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: so it's a thing we have to be willing to

593
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: do a little more. I don't know, investigating, Investigate, That's

594
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: that's where I'm at with and go with the work, y'all. Yeah,

595
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 1: that's coming. That's the work. And I don't pretend to

596
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: know every all this stuff. It's a lot. It's a

597
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 1: lot because I do believe that it was the Quakers

598
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: that we're making quilts, and then other people grasp these

599
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: quilts or bought these quilts, and then slave owners had

600
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: black people enslaved people make these quilts, and then they

601
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: started twisting them and adding other things and symbols and such.

602
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: But it started from if I if I'm not I

603
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: think so I canna be wrong, But I don't know. Yeah,

604
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: I'm just just talking about just the way that we

605
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: start to see we adapt everything in order to make

606
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: it work for us and be a representation of us.

607
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of adapting of things, you

608
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So like, in order to do

609
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 1: actual research or investigation on things, you gotta do the

610
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: whole work. Take one thing, Take one thing that you

611
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 1: really like in your house. Everybody's got some black ship.

612
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: We all got some good all black and be interesting

613
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: black ship. Everybody got it in their house. You must,

614
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 1: I know you do, because sometimes you don't know what

615
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: it is. I got a little a piece of sculpture.

616
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: I thought it was the most beautiful thing. And my

617
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: maintenance man from Guatemala came into my apartment and he

618
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this is from my country. That's how

619
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: we call it. That's how we call the cows. Now,

620
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: I thought I got this thing hanging from my door,

621
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: like it's beautiful. But I'm just saying to say that,

622
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: check all your ship in your house because you I mean,

623
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: in order to build a culture. Because it's not fried

624
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: chicken and watermelon. It's some of it. It's some of

625
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: it because Dan watermelon is good at the summer. But

626
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: everybody loves watermelon. I don't know. I think so. I

627
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: think everybody loves watermelon. But you're not that black people.

628
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: You heard that real ship about watermelon though, right like

629
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: you heard it and Asian tell me if I'm wrong,

630
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: But you know, that whole stereotype bout watermelon came from

631
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: the fact that they said watermelon made like black men

632
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: more a poem, and so then they made it the

633
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: whole stereotype because of the black men's like I didn't

634
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: come from never heard. I want melon is that it

635
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: is a massive hydrator for those for those of us

636
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: who are descending from people who had to work in

637
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 1: fields and things like that. They had to eat things

638
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: and consume things that would hydrate them. People like I

639
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 1: didn't say what I said. I just meant what AGES

640
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: said because that sounds smarter. Stay there, No, I mean

641
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: if that's that's a story, I mean that that's a

642
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: story that things have multiple truths. Black black shoes. But

643
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: I think, you know, ultimately the gate keeping thing is

644
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 1: still up in the air because I still think we

645
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: still have a lot more owning and loving of ourselves

646
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: to do. And they got left though, if you could

647
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: pick something, I mean, really, girls, what do we have

648
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: left to say for ourselves? It's a good question. Traditions

649
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 1: talked about this on this podcast. Somebody got doogie braids

650
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: right now. And I own not making our own traditions.

651
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: That we just know things that we were passed down

652
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: to us, things that we know to do. I think

653
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 1: those are things that can never be taken from us,

654
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: that cannot be sold. These are things that we just do.

655
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: It's we just had cookers. We just hit a new year, right,

656
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: trust me. On on the white Internet, nobody was talking

657
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 1: about Coeople's black eyed peas, and girl was talking about

658
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: to my good Korean girlfriends on that took her black

659
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: eyed peace to all her good wife friends. I'm just

660
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: saying everything there's there's there's people experience huff Wig on

661
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: Amazon and the model was white, and I was like,

662
00:41:51,800 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: thank God to be giving to be joking. Shout out

663
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 1: the shade butter and shade moisture. Seriously, wow, Well, you

664
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: know the hair been taking jail. The hair been like this,

665
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: not like this, this is this is, this is the

666
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: next extra. The day of the white first white man

667
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: putting in the lock was the dated the head with

668
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: hair was gone. Can we talk like that ship? Just

669
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: map the funk up? Can we talk about a little

670
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: bit of family business real quick? Though. Yes, black folks

671
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: have invented and done a number of wonderful, amazing things

672
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: in which they have been stolen from us. But one

673
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: thing about Black Americans. If they're going to tell you

674
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: black people invented some ship, did they ain't event ship?

675
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 1: What you want to correct? You know that you know

676
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:52,440
Speaker 1: that's black? Right? No, how you know you know so

677
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: and so you know the black folk you know that's

678
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: that's that the black people did that. No, No, they

679
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: didn't know that. They didn't. They didn't, they didn't know.

680
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: They don't give us credit for nothing. They take it

681
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: all proved, They didn't prove they didn't. You don't. Blacks

682
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: will tell you something in admitted. Don't every great white

683
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: idea is a black person about them. They'd be like, oh,

684
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 1: russels or well, you know, black black people invented the

685
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: ruffle girl, Combs brushes soap. You know, black people have

686
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: finished so what nobody clean before us? We know we clean.

687
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, Jill still thinking, come on, jail,

688
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: we'll be holding on to holding on to what you think,

689
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: Jill mm hmm. I just it's tough because if I

690
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: look at it any other race, like, I'll never understand

691
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: them either. Like, the only thing that came to mind

692
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: was powerful, beautiful black love between a couple. Oh girl,

693
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: they trying to get that. Like, I've had the privilege

694
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: to see it and I've had the privilege to be

695
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 1: in it. But I'm also there. I'm looking at this thing,

696
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: but I don't know it's that's a tough one too,

697
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: because love is love. Yeah, I think it's maybe Jill

698
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: Scott and Kindred, that's the last thing we got to

699
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: be can hold on to ship day. I think No,

700
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: I do think connection is a thing. I think connection

701
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 1: and you know, I do think that. I think there's

702
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: a tone. There's a way that black folk can communicate

703
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: without talking. There's a way we talk. Have you watched

704
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: Love and Hip? Have you seen the right We have

705
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 1: talked about this before, I know, But just cash me outside, Okay, exactly.

706
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: I don't. And the thing is, anytime I see love

707
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: between two folks, I'm always like, M, that's nice. Anytime,

708
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like shot, these two people's relationship. I

709
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: don't know if they know, if she knows when when

710
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: um he's about to call. I don't know if she knows.

711
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: You know, when romanticize thing. Basically you're romanticizing. I think

712
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: I might be because I don't know. I know I

713
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: I always feel good when I see two people um

714
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: extend kindness to each other and are affectionate with each other.

715
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: That makes me feel good no matter what race it is.

716
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: I want to go ahead, y'all. So it can't be that.

717
00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: It can't be that because you've done it now now

718
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: you don't know if this necessarily has as is black

719
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: love specific to two black folks? Well, we have obviously,

720
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: and what else are we gonna do like black black folks?

721
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,600
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, It is specific to

722
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: black folks because we're black and we folks and we

723
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: love each other. Right, But what you talk about, what

724
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about, is there a specific kind of way

725
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: that we experience love to GILM that cannot be duplicated? Oh,

726
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a movie. Baby, I think that's I

727
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: think that's a song. I think you says, I'm thinking

728
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: that it's worth investigating. Oh okay, okay, because because I'm caught,

729
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I'm because you don't

730
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: want to romanticize black love either and make it seem

731
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: like it's a mystical thing. No, it's not mythical. It's real. Yeah,

732
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 1: mys mystical like Matt. Yeah, because because you don't want

733
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: it to feel like like trauma binding or something. It's like,

734
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 1: is it. It's got to be something more healthy and

735
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 1: connected and mm hmm sounds like homework. Y'all ain't no

736
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: answer to that. We lost It's it's take the lake

737
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: the L. I mean, we still do it better, We

738
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: still take that. We'll take the L for the moment. Okay,

739
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: more conversation after the break. I want you guys to

740
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 1: call us. I want you to send us messages. I

741
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: want you to let us know what is that thing?

742
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: What is that thing that we have that remains our own?

743
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: Because you would think you just be able to pop

744
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: up with a couple of answers on this thing, but

745
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: how about jumping the room. It's not even head wraps,

746
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,879
Speaker 1: no moment, how about jumping the room. I don't really

747
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: see nobody else do that. I don't do that. You

748
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: reach it with that one because I got to reach.

749
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean, I just think it's just everything, Like you said,

750
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: no one could do it like us. Whatever we do that,

751
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 1: whatever comes from whatever. Yeah, whatever it is that comes

752
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: from us, people can duplicate it, but they can't. They

753
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 1: can't do it. They can't do it. It's like it's

754
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:16,479
Speaker 1: like you ever hear Tina Marie sing or yeahba don't

755
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: do that, Darre exceptions every rule, Jill uh, that's a

756
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: mighty beautiful wind. No no, no, no, Tina Portuguese. No,

757
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: so that's it's some brown it's somewhere and yeah, yeah,

758
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:46,439
Speaker 1: but that's my goal down. Yes she does, she does,

759
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: so we can't even black children's books. I was just

760
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: thinking about it, like the sister who says, I'm gonna

761
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: remember her name, but she's um, she's very Dore's a

762
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: meme that goes around where she's just like, I'm not

763
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: saying that the girls are not doing their thing, but

764
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: they're not doing it. Okay, That's how I feel about it.

765
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 1: It's like I'm not saying that people aren't out there

766
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: doing their things, but they're not doing it. You know

767
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Em Dead, that's who said it. Shout

768
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: out to em C Dead. EMC dev said that. M

769
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: hmm right. What's really important is not that we gate

770
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: keep but that people know the history. That's what we're

771
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 1: talking about, and then we go with that. Investigation can

772
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: be tolerated. Say it again, we will not tolerate erature

773
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 1: it is that you're saying, because that's what's happening. It's

774
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: not the word rare are erasure money Those raisins and

775
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: slave owners are still on the money and they have schools.

776
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah that our kids go to. Yeah yeah, yeah, Well

777
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: I'm really saying that we could watch ourselves be raised.

778
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: We could do it. We could literally sit here and

779
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: watch ourselves be raised. That ship is is now what's

780
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: up in no way, shape or capacity, like, there's no

781
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: way we have to do. We have to investigate. We

782
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: have to find out our who who are people's is

783
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: not on my watch? How did you get here? Everybody

784
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: who's doing something, some black person somewhere made a sacrifice

785
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 1: for you to get there. Trying to learn the history,

786
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: the history of the history specifically in your path. Find

787
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: out who opened the door for you. That's how that's

788
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: something that we can hold on to. Our our history

789
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:02,280
Speaker 1: cannot be raised because it's happening. It is uh happening.

790
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: It is a current event that people who have who

791
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: have open doors, people who have um open doors is

792
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: such a big is that that's a huge that's a

793
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: huge statement. Who have opened doors so that you can

794
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: advance a lot of people enter through back doors, so

795
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: you can walk through the front. And that's not a cliche,

796
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 1: that's facts. There's a lot of people who stayed up

797
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: all night picketing and and the knowledge of it is

798
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 1: literally under attack right now in many states in our country.

799
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: They are absolutely erasing our history. History that was already

800
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: not being taught. Now they're saying it's illegal to teach

801
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: it in we are being erased. They're saying that, um,

802
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 1: people don't read books as much as as they should,

803
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: or that they could. Um, maybe that's true. I would

804
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: like to invite anybody that reads stories, read stories to

805
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: um your friends. Y'all ain't doing nothing else. Read read

806
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: stories to your people. Haven't come over and drink some

807
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,919
Speaker 1: wine or drink some whatever you got I don't care,

808
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: so did you knows? Is a nice thing? That's what's up.

809
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: That's cool, that's a good time. Ain't i'ing wrong with that?

810
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: And you can play music in between and also to

811
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: ask questions because I'm gonna I'm gonna just say this.

812
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: When I was cooking my collar greens and my black

813
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 1: eyed peas, my daughter came in there and she was

814
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 1: just like, Mom, you know, I was wondering why we

815
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: did this, and I found out why. She said, you know,

816
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: I was wondering why we did And she said, did

817
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: you know that a lot of that that during the

818
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: top of the year, that many of the slave owners

819
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: would settle up their debts by selling, you know, some

820
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 1: of their you know, human property, and they would you know,

821
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: they were up to anny on their human trafficking, right,

822
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,399
Speaker 1: and that a lot of the enslaved people would feel

823
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: nervous around this time and think, you know, and they

824
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: would cook these meals as you know, just a good

825
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: luck thing to have the meal the next day to

826
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: celebrate if those who were able to stay. And that's

827
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: how we started the whole cooking of the collar greens

828
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: and the black eyed peas. That's that's where some of

829
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: that comes from. Also too, there's another tradition on New

830
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: Year's Um for enslaved people that makes it somewhat you know,

831
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: important as well, was that when the Emancipation Proclamation was signed,

832
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 1: it didn't go into effect until the following year, and

833
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:45,000
Speaker 1: so a lot of enslaved people and free people had

834
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: watch night in which they were waiting for the top

835
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: of the year for it to be legal for the

836
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: Emancipatient Proclamation to go into effect so they could then

837
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 1: emancipate themselves. And so they were waiting for that time period.

838
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 1: So that time of the year is important to us.

839
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 1: So I think some of those things are stories we

840
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: can tell our families during those times. Two on Mother's

841
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 1: Day every year on Mother's Dad tell my children the

842
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: story of their birth. The stories and the storytelling is

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Speaker 1: how our history has been passed down from person to person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah we have books, Yeah we have movies and documentaries

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Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but let's not get rid also

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Speaker 1: two of the oral that's important and for us to

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Speaker 1: take that seriously within our households, we can't be erased.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing we learned. The history, we write, the

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Speaker 1: history we tell it it's just important. Otherwise they really

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Speaker 1: are going white. Every everything we worked for, we bled for,

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Speaker 1: all of that stuff is going to get forgotten. And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all know ever seen that movie

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Speaker 1: Coco and Coco. It's an animated film that is based

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Speaker 1: in Mexican culture around the day. But what it talks

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Speaker 1: about is these people who were on the other side

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Speaker 1: of these spirits, of these people who have passed on

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Speaker 1: in your family, but that they are able to exist

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Speaker 1: and come back to the day of the life of

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Speaker 1: the living on the Day of the dead to visit

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Speaker 1: their families once a year, but they can no longer

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Speaker 1: come the moment someone in the family doesn't remember them, ah,

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Speaker 1: then they're gone for good. They can exist in the

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Speaker 1: spirit world. To turn to go with that, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: as long as you can remember them, they can come back.

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Speaker 1: And I think what's really important about that thinking culturally,

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Speaker 1: even though that's not my specific culture, what I take

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Speaker 1: from that is that remembrance is important. I say this,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is off topic, but when people come

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Speaker 1: to my show and I'm singing songs and make them

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Speaker 1: feel al randy and excited and sensual, I say, I

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Speaker 1: know when you go home. You're gonna be making some

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Speaker 1: good love now on the fifth stroke, I just want

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Speaker 1: you to say thank you, Jill. I think do you

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Speaker 1: say that? Critics? Hey, you know, shout it out. I

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Speaker 1: feel it, shout. Can you imagine a collective where where

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Speaker 1: everybody in the audience go home and make some good

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Speaker 1: love and on that fifth stroke they'll be like, thank you, Jill.

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Speaker 1: I mean, how good must that feel? If I mean,

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Speaker 1: my goodness, let her say it, don't you don't say it, sir.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying I know. I was just helping it.

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Speaker 1: When there is a collective energy about understanding, Yes, that

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Speaker 1: is a power and we that is something that we

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Speaker 1: can do. Pick up black ass thing in your house

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Speaker 1: right now and just find out what it is, where

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Speaker 1: it came from. It'll it'll help you understand why it's there.

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Speaker 1: That instinct, that instinct that is something that has passed

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Speaker 1: down to us as well. I can't forget that. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for listening to j dB Ill the podcast.

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Speaker 1: It is always a pleasure to have conversation that sparks conversation,

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Speaker 1: leave us a message, let us know some more things

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Speaker 1: that we should hold onto. Thanks for listening. How do

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Speaker 1: you eat an elephant one by it time. Hey, listeners,

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Speaker 1: it's Amber the producer here. I love that we're having

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Speaker 1: these conversations and really peeling back the depth and meeting

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Speaker 1: from these everyday experiences as black people have a few resources.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln the show notes that I want to share with you,

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Speaker 1: um one that dives deeper on how to travel respectfully,

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Speaker 1: respectfully okay, and another on the layered conversation about being

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Speaker 1: black genter fire. It's complicated, it really is, and I

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Speaker 1: hope we all keep these conversations going in our own

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Speaker 1: families and social circles. Oh and I will also share

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Speaker 1: the link for Coco, the movie Aga mentioned in the episode.

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Speaker 1: The film is incredibly y'all watch it immediately. Hi, if

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Speaker 1: you have comments on something he said in this episode

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Speaker 1: called eight six six, Hey, Jill, if you want to

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Speaker 1: add to this conversation, that's eight six six nine five

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Speaker 1: four five FI. Don't forget to tell us your name

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Speaker 1: and the episode you're referring to. You might just hear

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