1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a m paranormal podcast network. 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and share us 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware of the thoughts 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: and opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and 9 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: opinions only and do not reflect those of I Heart Media, 10 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast AM employees of premier networks, 11 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: or their sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage 12 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: you to do your own research and discover the subject 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: matter for yourself. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light 14 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: with Me. Heidi Hollis, um I Heart Radio at Coast 15 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: to Coast, I am Paranormal podcast Network. Welcome to my show. 16 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: Remember each week this is a place you go to 17 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: when you want to hear the latest when it comes 18 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 1: to anything out of the ordinary, even near death experiences. 19 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: UFO encountered shadow People, cat Man, all of the in between. 20 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: I want to remind you to go to my main website, 21 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: which is Tidy Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot 22 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: com and guess what you know. I ran a UFO 23 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: and paranormal discussion group, but it was called u f 24 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: O to you, that's UFO, the number two the letter 25 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: you dot com for a lot of you out there 26 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: who have ventured into the Internet and the beginnings of 27 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: time of the Internet. I had one of the more 28 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: popular UFO websites out there, and I used to receive 29 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: so many of your stories and chatted up and um wow, 30 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: it was it was really unique and it was a 31 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 1: big growing experience. I think I met the first troll. Uh. 32 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: People are like, oh my gosh, you know, they could 33 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: so upset with some of the stuff that goes online. 34 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm pretty sure I met the first one, 35 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: and uh, I learned to get a thick skin from 36 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: the start. But um yeah, um. But anyways, go to 37 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: my main website. Tell me your stories. Tell me what 38 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 1: it is that you've been experiencing. I want to hear 39 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: about it all the details. The bigger the email, the better, 40 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: because I'm telling you, if it's a big, juicy one, 41 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: I just might make the whole show about your email. 42 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: Not kidding, and you are always welcome to come speak 43 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: on this program if you'd like to, But I don't 44 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,119 Speaker 1: at many people eggs just to do that is uh, 45 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: it's yeah, I understand, though, I would rather people feel 46 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: comfortable and express themselves however they feel best, you know, 47 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: So it just I don't care. Write me or call me, 48 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,000 Speaker 1: I don't care. And if you see me on social 49 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: media at one Heidi Hollis put one in front of 50 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: my name. I'm on all the social media with that handle, 51 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: So tell me what's going on. And you know a 52 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: lot of you guys do, and I I'm absolutely humbled 53 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: by that. I just every day I'm like, I'm touched. 54 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm touched that people would trust me to reach out 55 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: and with their deepest, darkest or most glorious experiences. So 56 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: h yeah, you know, I don't take it for granted. 57 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: I really don't. So I will honor your request. If 58 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: you do not want your your story spoken here or 59 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: to have your name or whatever, you know, trust me, 60 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: I won't. I won't do that to you. You guys 61 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: are in for a treat today because we're gonna be 62 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: really honing in on some very personal alien encounter stuff. 63 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: I'm talking about disappearing walls and looking into another universe 64 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: essentially UFOs, landing sites, trace evidence, all of that. Because 65 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: we have Earl Gray Anderson of Southern California's move on 66 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: and oh man, really really insightful stuff. So I'm anxious 67 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: for you to hear this. And you know, there's an 68 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: element that comes up oftentimes when it comes to those 69 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: who have experienced a certain level or have a very 70 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: high degree of interest in the UFO phenomenon. And hello, 71 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: I'm one of them. And you know what that one 72 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: connecting factor is. And and trust me, people in the field, 73 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: here this connecting element, and it's having a family member, 74 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: usually a parent, who was very deeply involved in these topics. Extremely. 75 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: I haven't gone into great detail about some of the 76 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: things that as in my family. Um, I've shared a bit, 77 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: but it goes deeper, it goes deeper, and and it's like, huh, 78 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: you know, do it? Do I talk about this stuff? 79 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: Do I not talk about this stuff? You know, I've 80 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: had military abductions where I've been derogated already. Not fun um, 81 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: especially when you're in unfashionable pajamas. Oh boy, that was 82 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: a story. Um. Yeah, So anyways, my pajama bottles are 83 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: really loosened. Somebody try to tug him up for me 84 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 1: as they thought I was paralyzed. But I don't get paralyzed. 85 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: I don't, um know, yeah, I'm not. I'm not an 86 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: easy when to do that. And I don't care if 87 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,479 Speaker 1: it's in the face of aliens or shadow beings or 88 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: hat man stuff. And there are military abductions where our 89 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: military boys are being made to use some alien trickery 90 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: to try to paralyze you, and I pull out of 91 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: it every time that I can remember. Anyways, and um, 92 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: when I'm in that state, I'm not really happy because 93 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 1: I realized that they are doing something to keep me 94 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: frozen growing a girl in Boom. I'm out and I'm like, nam, um, 95 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: you guys have heard me talk about some of that, 96 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 1: haven't you. But anyways, back to the point when it 97 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: comes to those of us who are really deeply involved 98 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: or had some really extraordinary experiences. You know, one of 99 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: our parents was really highly involved in these topics. Now, 100 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: is it a joke of the aliens to do this? 101 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: Like you're working with me, you know, wherever you're at 102 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: and under ground basis or in some kind of military facility, 103 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: and they're like, you know your your blood taste good. 104 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: I think I'll follow your bloodline. I mean, what is 105 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: this or where our parents pre selected? Or there's there's 106 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: another thing too. I don't know, but it is a pattern. Um. 107 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: I have not been abducted, not that I recall or 108 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: no of Um. I have been known as the person 109 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: that picked up a gray and and and kind of 110 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: choked it. Um because again I don't get paralyzed, not 111 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: like others. Anyways. Uh. And it's like, I'm not a 112 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: violent person, but you know, I thought somebody's breaking in 113 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: Lada Dada. I talked about this many times and and um, yeah, 114 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: and all the little grays were lying and I didn't 115 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 1: appreciate it. And um, and I's picked this one hybrid 116 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: thing up by its little suspenders and questioned it because 117 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: nobody was answering me, that's all. Um. So it was 118 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: it was different, it was different. And so but anyways, um, 119 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: you know it's it's no coincidence. There's no coincidence with this. 120 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: My my dad happens to be high ranking military guy 121 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: and and oh I have this very strong connection to beings, 122 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: not from here and then I mean another person with 123 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: the same m O like you too, me too? What 124 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: what what was going on here? You know? One of 125 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: the things that I don't like to um get involved in, 126 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: Like I try to hold back on telling certain stories 127 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: sometimes because I want to hear an authentic similar story. 128 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: And you know when don't you know it? One of 129 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: the rare times that I shared about very in depth 130 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 1: military abduction and uh with just a handful of people. 131 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: And then one of the persons that I told this too, 132 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't share having had this kind of experience. 133 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 1: I told them it's really in depth military abduction, and 134 00:08:58,120 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 1: and the next time I spoke to them, they're like 135 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 1: repeating my story back to me as their own. Yeah, 136 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. And I'm like, hold on, you never 137 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: told me you had that. Oh yeah, yeah, I had 138 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: that in blah blah blah blah. I'm like, what, you 139 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: didn't mention that in our conversation very similar to my 140 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: own with a little twist at the end, that's all. 141 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: But didn't happen to mention it, you know, So I 142 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: don't I try not to um uh speak on everything 143 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: I've experienced because there's some things I'd like to still 144 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: learn about. I do remember a lot of things outside 145 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: of this life, um, and about why I'm here and 146 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: just so much UM. And you know, I will talk 147 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: more in depth about some of that stuff in the future, 148 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: but there's some things that I just don't because I'm 149 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to hear something authentic that I haven't said 150 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: out there and to have it repeated back to me 151 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: not appreciated, you know. UM. Yeah, you know, I just 152 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: uh and trust me. Over the years, I've been around 153 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: in these and on the scene of the UFO community, 154 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: and uh, I met many people, heard thousands of stories 155 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: probably over the years because I've done so many radio 156 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: shows and done so many conferences and you know, talk 157 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: to so many people, and I try to be friendly. 158 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: And I have heard people say, you know, I sent 159 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,959 Speaker 1: my story into an author who writes these types of books, 160 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: only for them not to get back to me. And 161 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: then I see they changed a few things and put 162 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: it in their book. Or I went for hypnotic regression 163 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: session and you know the person wasn't really nice or 164 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: and um, and there's there's one that's uh, you know 165 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: that's really set the bar on a lot of these 166 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: these regression type sessions on on aliens and and um man, 167 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: I've heard a whole lot of negative stuff. They're not 168 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: with us anymore, this this hypnotist of the past. Um, 169 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: you can go and guess all you want, but I'm 170 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: just saying, you know, and I'm like, it pains me 171 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: to know that. You know, it takes a lot for 172 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: a person to take a step forward and to reveal 173 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: that they've had any kind of interactions with something not 174 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: from here and then uh not just not be pooh pooed, 175 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: but you think embraced, only to be uh, you know, 176 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: whoop surprised. I'm just going to take advantage of you. 177 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: You know. It's like it's not good, you know. So 178 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm hoping, I'm hoping that we're putting a better vibe 179 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: out there on these topics. And um, you know, you're 180 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:44,479 Speaker 1: not alone too if you have experienced some heavy duty, fascinating, 181 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: in depth stuff and you later find out that your 182 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: parents were deeply involved, very much in the knowing of 183 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: a lot of stuff and not telling you to I 184 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: don't know, deathbed confession or getting up there in age 185 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: or they filled down and out about something I don't know. Um, 186 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 1: it's like, you know, you feel like you didn't know 187 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: your parents, you know, on a lot of levels like what, 188 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I was there anyways, Um, and you know, 189 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: it's just you're not alone. And you know, with my 190 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 1: next guest, Earl Gray Anderson, I think you're going to 191 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: find that there are some really genuine good people out 192 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: there who are taking these very very personal encounters and 193 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: experiences seriously, you know, and giving good advice and and 194 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: reflecting on their own lives and their own involvements and 195 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 1: making people more comfortable and stepping forward. So I think 196 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: you're really going to enjoy our conversation because it is, um, 197 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: really an eye opener story you have never heard before. 198 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: I'm certain of that. So you guys gonna stick around 199 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: for this one. This is a really good all right, 200 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: you guys. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 201 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: me Hidie Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 202 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: to Coast. They am para normal podcast network. Stick around, 203 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Really good, welcome back. You are 204 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: listening to Dark that Comes Light with me Heidi Hollis 205 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 1: on iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast. They am para 206 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 1: normal podcast network as promised, I have a fabulous guest, 207 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: Earl Gray Anderson, who is Moufon State director of stovin 208 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: California and an active member of Moufon's e r T, 209 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: the Experience or Resource Team, and hosted both Experience or 210 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: workshops at this year's move On Some Posy in Denver, Colorado. 211 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: Earl has personally investigated over eight hundred uf FOR reports 212 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: and specializes in experiencer high strangeness cases, and has appeared 213 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: on multiple radio shows, podcasts, and TV shows such as 214 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: Unidentified with Demi Lovado, the Travel Channels Storming Area fifty 215 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: one special, and the season finale of Motor Trend Television's 216 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:30,119 Speaker 1: Motor MythBusters Cars Versus UFOs. Earl would be presenting Moufon's 217 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: Experience Or Resource Team in an upcoming Ancient Aliens episode 218 00:14:34,440 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: on the History Channel highlighting the history of Moufon and 219 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: Earl also teaches an accredited course and uphology at Los 220 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: Angeles Otis College of Art and Design. So I'd like 221 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: to give a warm welcome to Earl Gray Anderson. I 222 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: want to thank you so much for coming on our 223 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: show here today, and I wanted to get to the 224 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: bottom of something. You know, when somebody has investigated over 225 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: eight hundred UFO reports. I want to know what got 226 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: you started in this from the beginning, if you don't mind, sure, Well, 227 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: when I was about five years old, my mom did 228 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: a little disclosure number with me. My mom worked for 229 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: Howard Hughes. She was one of his two private secretaries 230 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: out in the Sepulvida Boulevard facility they had back in 231 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, and she retired when when I was born. 232 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: Back in night, when I was five years old, my 233 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: mom decided to for whatever reason, she sat down and 234 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: she told me what she did for Hughes. She said, well, 235 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: you know, I used to work in this. It was 236 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: this little city under the desert. Uh. You'd take an elevator, 237 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: it would go a mile down. The doors opened up, 238 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: and the first time she went there, they didn't even 239 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: tell her what to expect. She Uh, she was kind 240 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 1: of scared. You know. The elevator kept going down under 241 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: the desert and she felt butterflies in her stomach is 242 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: how she described it to a five year old um. 243 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: But she talked about working there with people like Werner 244 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 1: von Braun and a lot of the German rocket scientists. 245 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: That we acquired through Operation paper Clip at the end 246 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: of World War Two, So if we wondered where they were, 247 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: they were working deep underground on secretive projects. The other 248 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: thing that my mom talked about was extraterrestrial life. She 249 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: said that that we already know that there's extraterrestrial life 250 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: out there that's intelligent. And she told me that they 251 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: would never tell people that this was the fact because 252 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: they were afraid of how people would react to it. 253 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: Um Now, I held that little bit of knowledge just 254 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: kind of tucked in my you know, shirt pocket for years. 255 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: But when I was about ten years old, I went 256 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 1: and we had like a show intel then at school 257 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: as his fourth grade and grammar school, what do your 258 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: parents do? And I talked about my dad who was 259 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: he was just working as a landscaper at that point. 260 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: But then I talked about my mom working having worked 261 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: in a deep underground military facility and uh, and that 262 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: my mom said that UFOs were real and that there 263 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: was we already knew that there was intelligence in the universe. 264 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:33,719 Speaker 1: Um Now, the teacher I became kind of the brunt 265 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: of grade school ridicule because of my presentation. I didn't 266 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 1: think that was going to happen. I was just ten 267 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: years old, and they were talking about, you know, some 268 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: of the parents worked in aerospace and what have you. Um. 269 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: So my teacher called and had a parent teacher conference 270 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: with my mom and I got the little lectured. When 271 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: my mom drove home, she was actually really sweet about it. 272 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: She just said, you know, Earl, it's not your fault. 273 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: I never told you this. She said, why, you were 274 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: just a baby when I told you about this. How 275 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: do you remember that? That was That was how she reacted. 276 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: And she said, you know, your mother could get into 277 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 1: terrible trouble. People don't know about this. Your mom would 278 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: go to prison. Um, I'll never forget, you know. She 279 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: was very very you know, it was a very serious 280 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: conversation to have with your you know, a parent when 281 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: you're at that tender age. But that's where I got 282 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,159 Speaker 1: the bug for ufology and it kind of for many years, 283 00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: you know, I went through different things. You know, I 284 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: had my rebellious teenage years. I sort of got away 285 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: from that and became interested in in UH Christianity and 286 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: in theology. I actually was taking UH some pre seminary 287 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: classes when I got out of high school UH and 288 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: and for a while having that knowledge, it was sort 289 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 1: of an inconvenient truth. It didn't really mesh with what 290 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: you know, theologians and people that I was listening to 291 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: her saying. Nor did it mesh with some of the 292 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: scientists that I looked up to, like Carl Sagan and 293 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: Isaac Asimov, Arthur C. Clark. They would all kind of 294 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: pooh pooh the whole idea of UFOs being anything. Um. 295 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: But when my mom passed away back in that's when 296 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: I really really kind of ramped up my you know, 297 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: she talked a little bit about it with me again 298 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: literally on her deathbed, you know, saying that she would 299 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: have done it all over again, that it was her 300 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: duty to her country. But no more information from her. 301 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: She she kind of after, you know, after a certain 302 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: point in time, she she wouldn't talk with me, you know, 303 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: she was she was trying to be beholden to the 304 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: n d as that she signed, I imagine, but that's 305 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: that's where it came from. And do you know exactly 306 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: what kind of work she did for them? Well, what 307 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: I know she wound up doing is is that she 308 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: went back to work in aerospace back in the nineties 309 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: seventies as a corporate headhunter for the various aerospace companies. 310 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: I know that she was, you know, peopling Lockheed skunk Works. 311 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: I know that she had a sort of single handedly 312 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: hired pretty much every single person from broom pushers to 313 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: astrophysicists over to Rockwell. Uh. They had their big science 314 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: center in Thousand Oaks, California, and and that was our hometown. 315 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: That's where I grew up. So I'm not sure if 316 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: it had to do with with human relations. Uh. And 317 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 1: I've had hints, you know, I've had people even like 318 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: Colm Kelleher who who works with Bigelow Aerospace, Uh, said 319 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: that he'd seen my mom file and that she my 320 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: mom actually reported it when she told me too much 321 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: and I gave my talk in front of school. She 322 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, I think that she she felt like that 323 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 1: might have gotten back to them, and she wanted to 324 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: make sure that that it got to them through her. 325 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: So but as far as what she was doing down there, 326 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: she never really told me everything. Wow. Let's just say 327 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: I'm curious if our parents knew each other. Earle Wow, 328 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: just blowing my mind over here. And you know, I 329 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: can't help but to ask if you had anything personal happen. 330 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: In addition, did you witness anything after I had joined 331 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: move On and I became a move On field investigator 332 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: and I kind of took to it like a fish 333 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: to water. My state director at the time was Jeff Krauss, 334 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 1: and he's kind of a nuts and bolts guy, and uh, well, 335 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: make a long story short. I had maybe closed about, 336 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:08,840 Speaker 1: oh say, twenty cases at that point, and I was 337 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: kind of feeling my oats. I hadn't found any unknowns yet, 338 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 1: but I, you know, I had closed a couple of 339 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 1: cases that were obvious hobby drones and mile our balloons 340 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 1: and things like that. But I started sending out. I 341 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,720 Speaker 1: started doing a c E five meditation. I had heard 342 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 1: about this and it was kind of I did it 343 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: as a lark. I didn't wasn't expecting results. But in 344 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: the course of doing this, I I just sent out 345 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: to the universe. I want to meet entities, you know, 346 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: intelligent e t s and you guys can I don't care. 347 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: You can even abduct me if you want. And I 348 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: said that, you know, I didn't, you know, be careful 349 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: what you wish for. Yeah, not okay. After trying the 350 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: CE five thing for about a week, I hadn't had 351 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: any results. You know, lights in the sky that I 352 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: would see would be helicopters or what have you. You know, 353 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,120 Speaker 1: we're able to distinguish. And uh, I went to bed 354 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: one night. My wife was already asleep, and I was 355 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: kind of semi recumbent with a bunch of pillows behind 356 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: my back. I was not asleep. Wasn't sleep paralysis because 357 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: I wasn't asleep. But our room started flooding with light. 358 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: And it was a light with no source. It was 359 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 1: as if somebody had filled the room from a picture 360 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: or something. And that's not the way light works. You know, 361 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: it's the speed of light. You know that that it 362 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: travels a hundred eighty three thousand miles a second. But 363 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 1: this was slowly is like slowly flooding with light. And 364 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: as the room flooded with light, we had a cricket 365 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: problem in our rafters. Well you couldn't hear crickets. You 366 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: couldn't hear you know, external sounds, no street noise. It 367 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 1: became very, very like like a quiet room. If you've 368 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: ever been in a record writing studio and been in 369 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: a quiet room, well that that's what our bedroom sounded like. 370 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,880 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you it was normally wasn't a quiet room. 371 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: It's kind of an old house built back in the 372 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: ninetti and kind of thin walls. H The strange thing 373 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: was happening. My wife was dead to the world, next 374 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: to me, asleep, and the wall in front of me 375 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:29,119 Speaker 1: did something impossible. Uh. It started swirling like there was 376 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: a little galaxy that was there in front of me, 377 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 1: a slow spin. And as I watched this, I felt 378 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,400 Speaker 1: more and more peaceful. There. There wasn't any fear. There 379 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: wasn't even any questioning going on. I almost hate to 380 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: interrupt because it's getting so good, Earl, but I think 381 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: this is a perfect cliffhanger for people to stick around 382 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: to the next break to hear the rest of this. 383 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: And you know, guys, I want to remind you to 384 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: go to Heidi Hollis dot com or at shadow Folks 385 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: dot um and tell me your encounters with UFOs aliens 386 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: all of that, because this is where you go to 387 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 1: get some insight, share what you know, share what you've 388 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: seen so we can talk about it here on the show. 389 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 1: I don't have all the answers, but you know what, 390 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: a lot of listeners will hear your story and oftentimes 391 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: reach out to me and say, you know, I experienced that. 392 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: I think I know what that might be. This is 393 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: all about each and every one of us contributing to 394 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: this problem. All right, you guys, we're gonna get to 395 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: our next break. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light 396 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 397 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast they am paranormal podcast network. Stick around, 398 00:25:45,480 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: We'll be right back with more early rays. Welcome back. 399 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 400 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio at Coast to Coast, 401 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: a am ter a normal podcast network. I have Earl 402 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:22,680 Speaker 1: gray Anderson here, and wow, his story is absolutely fascinating. 403 00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: And we just got to the beginning of a really 404 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: good part when we had to jump to break, and uh, 405 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: I know I'm dying to hear the rest of it. 406 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 1: So Earl, you were talking about you've just for practicing 407 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: C five and the wall in your bedroom started to 408 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:43,440 Speaker 1: swirl so well, it was the wall just kept on swirling. 409 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: It was kind of a cp of color, sort of 410 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: between tan and yellow, and it had illumination to it 411 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: um and it looked very much like if you poured 412 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: cream into a cup of coffee. The wall opened up. Um. Now, 413 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: normally there's a TV set in front of me. There 414 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: was a bath room to the left, you know, a 415 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: little bookshelf to the right, but it was as though 416 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: all of that had been taken over by something else. 417 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: And uh, the wall literally opened up and I could 418 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:17,879 Speaker 1: see deep distance there. There was a tall entity that 419 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: was standing off to the right that I think of 420 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: as a sentinel, and I could never see what he 421 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: really looked like, except he was taller than the others. 422 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: He was about maybe five ft and a half tall. Um. 423 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: But in through the wall. Uh, And they didn't walk. 424 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: It was though as though they were somehow pulled towards me. 425 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: Were four of the little, diminutive gray guys with the 426 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: plaque eyes. And you see their pictures and commercials and 427 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: movies and all kinds of stuff. But that that was 428 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: the real thing. Now I started feeling afraid. Uh. It 429 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: seemed like whatever whatever calming age they were using stopped 430 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: working at that point. And I could not move. I 431 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 1: couldn't move a bone in my body. Now this is 432 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,920 Speaker 1: coming from somebody who I was a nurse for thirty 433 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: eight years, taking care of quadriplegics. Um and and suddenly 434 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 1: I was rendered quadriplegic. The only thing I could move 435 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: where my eyes. I couldn't. I couldn't yell out, I 436 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: couldn't do anything. Um. They were very business like. I 437 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: didn't get any communication from them whatsoever. I tried, and 438 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: I kept on trying to talk to them, but it 439 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: was just dead silence inside of my head. There was 440 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: nothing coming back telepathically or verbally. UM. They worked almost 441 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: like a surgical team. They put these tubes on the 442 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: top of my chest. There were two of them, and 443 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: it felt like they were taking blood or energy, maybe 444 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: life force, I thought. I mean, I'm not sure. I 445 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 1: did not leave marks. This is to something I've thought 446 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: about quite a bit. Um. I've talked with other people 447 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: since this happened, and they said that I've been told that, well, 448 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: humans use needles to get blood, but other you know, 449 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: other entities don't do it that way. And this is 450 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: this is some people have heard about this method before, 451 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: so I'm not the only one. But I was getting 452 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: really scared because it felt like I was being drained somehow, 453 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 1: and I since I wasn't receiving a like a calming 454 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: message or anything from them. I was afraid I was 455 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: going to wind up like one of those cows that 456 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: they find along road. I was scared. But they finished 457 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: up what they were doing. The tubes disconnected on their own. 458 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: They went backwards, looking almost like fire hoses. They just 459 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: went back through the wall to where they came from. 460 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: The entities the whole time looked me in the eyes 461 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: with their black eyes or something. There's a hypnotic thing 462 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: about their eyes where they're in control and you can't 463 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: really you know, you can't really move. They they get 464 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: their way. Um, they left the same way they came in. 465 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: They never turned around, they didn't walk away. It was 466 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: like they were pulled back through the opening in the wall. 467 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: The opening in the wall closed. Uh. There's about five 468 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: minutes where it was still light in our room and 469 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: it was dimming. When I could finally move, the first 470 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: scene I did was I was screaming and yelling. I 471 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: was just about three in the morning at this point. 472 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: I grabbed my wife and I shook her and I 473 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: told her what happened. It was not what she wanted 474 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: to hear. The last thing that she wanted to hear. 475 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: She I remember what she said she said, Oh my god, 476 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: you've joined this crazy UFO group. Is this the kind 477 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: of thing I have to look forward to in the future. 478 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: Oh Man, and I kind of huddled their you know, 479 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: fetal position, and I didn't bring it up. The next day, 480 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: I did contact Or Robbins. I told him what happened. 481 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: I told my state director what happened. And I thought 482 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: he was gonna fire me. He's a nuts and bolts 483 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: uphologist and he didn't really have room for stuff crazy 484 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: stuff like that. You know, I'm curious, how did you 485 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: feel about your interaction? Some people feel terrified and others 486 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: feel like maybe they're special, they were selected. But I'm 487 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: hearing more of terror out there. So I felt kind 488 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: of scared, confused, and upset that my wife didn't believe me. 489 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 1: But two nights later, the shoe was on the other foot. 490 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: I was dead asleep and my wife started shaking me awake, 491 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: and she was She got up and she was pacing 492 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,600 Speaker 1: the right side of the bed. I've never seen her 493 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: pace before, but she was very, very upset. She said, 494 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Earl, you need to tell your little friends, 495 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: and that that was the exact phrase she used, Your 496 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: little friends, they need to leave us the weep alone. 497 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: You know, she she was not happy, she was not 498 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: watching her language. You know, she was very very upset 499 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 1: and um And after this happened, in talking with her, 500 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: all she could remember was the room flooding with light. 501 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: And she knows that doesn't happen, that that's something that's 502 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: outside of scientific possibility. Um. As far as my quote 503 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: unquote little friends, she didn't. She doesn't remember that even 504 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: to this day. I imagine if she were hypnotically regressed, 505 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: she would remember, but she doesn't want to um now. 506 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: And then two nights after that, we both woke up 507 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: and we both had a sighting of it was must 508 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: have been a craft. It was over our house. This 509 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: time it was sending light from above our house. It 510 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: was coming through the window. At the same time, our 511 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 1: room again was flooded with this anomalous light. And we 512 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: had that what they call the odds effects when things 513 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 1: become so unnaturally quiet. John mac originally documented that. But 514 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: I find that it's very common in both you know, 515 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: face to face encounters with entities in other cases that 516 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: I've had, or even in a close encounter with a craft, 517 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: time becomes kind of malleable. Uh, sound becomes very weird 518 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: and it seems to be one of those markers that 519 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: are very prominent in any close encounter situation. Fascinating. You know, 520 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: as a part of Moufon's E r T Experience a 521 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: resource team, when you have approached on the people that 522 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: have experienced things like yourself, what is the general notion 523 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: and feel like what what seems to be? Uh? I 524 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: don't know how to say that, the general idea of 525 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: why people believe these beings are coming and doing as 526 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: they do with these types of encounters, experimenting, um, communicating things. 527 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 1: I mean, what's the pattern you're seeing? Well, we used 528 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: to see a lot of DNA farming that that was 529 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: seemed to be the gist of why they were doing 530 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: whatever they were doing for many years. And of course 531 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: we've got all of Bud Hopkins books too, and we 532 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: can see from case to case how they would be 533 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: interested in certain family bloodlines, and even with Kathleen Martin's family, 534 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: you know, we've got the Betty and Barney Hill encounter 535 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:46,040 Speaker 1: and Kathleen's come out recently. In fact, she just recently 536 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: wrote a book about her face to face encounters. But 537 00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: it seems to have followed her family's bloodline, which include 538 00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 1: her included herself. UM. Recently we see more where people 539 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: get downloads of information. UM. I had one police officer 540 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: who was literally abducted from his cruiser while on duty. 541 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: He had to explain to his colleagues and his police 542 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: chief why he was missing in action for like half 543 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: an hour, and they couldn't raise him on the radio. 544 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: But for him, he had the scientific download. And it 545 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: happened over the course of a month where it was 546 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: like he was going to school at night, he could 547 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: fall asleep, he'd get another lesson, and he believed that 548 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: it had to do with zero point energy. When the 549 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: month was over, he was told by his entities, this 550 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: is it, and you won't remember this until it's needed. 551 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: And so he got a hold of move on because 552 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: he was hoping that he could actually remember what he 553 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,920 Speaker 1: was taught. He said, he was a D minus math 554 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 1: student when he was in school, and suddenly he understood 555 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,319 Speaker 1: the high maths and and and had an answer for 556 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: all our energy problems. But it's trapped there and his 557 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: memory to come forth when it's needed. Fascinating, have you 558 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: deciphered which beings are doing what kind of experiments or 559 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 1: downloads on people seems to run run the gamut. There's 560 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: a lot of different entities um, and I don't know 561 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: if we can always trust what we see with our 562 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,879 Speaker 1: eyes when we actually do see an entity, I don't 563 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: even know if that's what they look like. You've got 564 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,319 Speaker 1: to remember they're controlling the situation, and I think that 565 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: they can project. I mean, you know that people will 566 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: talk about four ft tall white owls, owls, you know 567 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,359 Speaker 1: who owls, or they'll there's no such thing, or they'll 568 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: talk about being left with the memory of these dewey 569 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 1: eyed deer, and so, you know, I'm not sure if 570 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,160 Speaker 1: it's just one group, but I get the feeling that 571 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: it's many groups. I don't think they all have the 572 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: same motives. I think that there are some that are 573 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 1: bad actors and others that aren't. Uh. It's just like 574 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: if you look at human society, You've you've got your carpetbaggers, 575 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,200 Speaker 1: You've got your you know, your thieves, and then you 576 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: have your your you know, you have your Gandhi's in 577 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: this world. And I think that it's yeah, it's the 578 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,439 Speaker 1: same thing, but it's not all space brothers, and it's 579 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:26,000 Speaker 1: not all you know, evil aliens, right right, You know, 580 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,240 Speaker 1: I honestly believe that there is a conflict and alien 581 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,360 Speaker 1: contact that maybe one night person might be abducted and 582 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,439 Speaker 1: the next night we'll we'll be taught something really cool 583 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: and the beings might look alike. So it's really confusing. 584 00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: But if they're able to camouflage themselves to appear as 585 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: the more benevolent types, you put your guard down and 586 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: then O, it's a it's a abduction experience, So you 587 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: really can't. You have to be able to trust your gut. 588 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: That's what I always suggested people anyways, be able to 589 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: close your eyes and to actually feel what's in front 590 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,480 Speaker 1: of you. All right, you guys, we are going to 591 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: get to our next break. You are listening to Dark 592 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on I Heart Radio 593 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. They am paranormal podcast Network. We'll be 594 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: right there. You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with 595 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast 596 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: to Coast. They am paroormal podcast Network. I have Earl 597 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,719 Speaker 1: Gray Anderson and he is Southern California's move on a 598 00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,280 Speaker 1: state director. And I'm sure as if there's other things 599 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: that you've experienced and what it is that you've had 600 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: come across your desk as lovelife. Sure, well, you know, 601 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,319 Speaker 1: just going back to the aftermath of my own experience, 602 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:13,960 Speaker 1: I started experiencing synchronicities in my life, which are meaningful coincidences. UM. 603 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,760 Speaker 1: I felt like this huge camping up of my own empathy. UM. 604 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: And and just there were certain things that were left 605 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: with me that that seemed very very positive, even though 606 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 1: my initial experience was was pretty scary. UM. I'm not 607 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: sure if they were completely maligned or if there were 608 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, I I it still confuses me the way 609 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: that that all began, But it didn't leave me like 610 00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: a wreck orhom mess. If anything, it prepared me for 611 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 1: what was ahead of me. And uh, you know I 612 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,920 Speaker 1: I scheduled a lunch with Kathleen Martin. I sent a 613 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 1: couple of my better experience or cases to her UM 614 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: as she was heading up move Farms experience or resource 615 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: team at that time, and she I thought that we 616 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: were just meeting to talk about what had happened to me, 617 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,840 Speaker 1: and but we had a wonderful conversation and she was 618 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: non judgmental and very knowledgeable and was very helpful. Um 619 00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: And this was maybe two years after I had had 620 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 1: we had experienced our weird week, is what I call it. Um. So, 621 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:31,000 Speaker 1: after lunch, Kathleen said, well, well, actually, I said, you know, 622 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: I might be interested in joining the e r T myself. 623 00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:36,399 Speaker 1: And she said, well, what do you think we were 624 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: doing just now? I was just interviewing you, you know, 625 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: for for position with Moufon's Experience or resource team. And 626 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: you've got it. I love Kathleen, and yeah, Kathleen's awesome. 627 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: She's my friend and my mentor, and God bless her. 628 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,279 Speaker 1: You know, just what a treasure of a person that 629 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 1: really get to live with here on earth you. Um So, anyway, 630 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: that kind of opened up this whole new avenue in 631 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,040 Speaker 1: my life. I was certainly closing a lot of UFO cases. 632 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm very picky about what I'll call a UFO. You know, 633 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,600 Speaker 1: a light in the sky. Um, if it could be 634 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,279 Speaker 1: a helicopter, if it could be something prosaic. Uh, if 635 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 1: it was a UFO, it's a boring UFO. That's that's 636 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 1: what I tell my my field investigators. But you and 637 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: your mother knew that aliens are real, but you're still 638 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: pretty selective, eh, Yeah, well they are, they are real. 639 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 1: But everything in the sky isn't a UFO, you know. 640 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we have lots of police helicopters out here 641 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: and and drones. That's that's the big one. They spin 642 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,200 Speaker 1: they make them look like UFOs on purpose. Now there's 643 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: a little kids want to fly those. And you have 644 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,879 Speaker 1: the little lights flashing and spinning around. And first time 645 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: I saw one of those for myself, it confused me, 646 00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: you know. Then it flew right over my head and 647 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: I could hear the little you know, the little road 648 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: or going. But um, but I you know, I've had 649 00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: some wonderful, wonderful cases. I I just closed one yesterday, 650 00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: uh that that I thought was fantastic. That another police 651 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,239 Speaker 1: officer and he did not report his sighting as long 652 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,320 Speaker 1: as he was he felt like it could be a 653 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: risk to his job. But because there seems to be 654 00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: more of a liberal attitude out there as far as 655 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:27,759 Speaker 1: reporting things goes. Uh. He reported a sighting that he 656 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: had when he was eight years old, and he more 657 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: or less a mother craft that was hovering a couple 658 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 1: of miles away. But it was huge. It was this 659 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: kind of oval, almost a sphere. Uh, But it was 660 00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: a craft it wasn't you know, an orb or whatever 661 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,760 Speaker 1: you want to that this was big. And he watched 662 00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: these three other smaller craft that all came up, and 663 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,879 Speaker 1: they all flew right in front of it, and then 664 00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: it was as though they were dissolved into the larger craft. 665 00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,239 Speaker 1: One by one they went into the craft. And then 666 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,960 Speaker 1: he saw this thing take off and shoot off into 667 00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,520 Speaker 1: the vanishing point at a great speed. Now he might 668 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,640 Speaker 1: have been eight years old, but I know personally that 669 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,800 Speaker 1: the memories like that will stick with you and and 670 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,120 Speaker 1: it will be meaningful and can change your life. So 671 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: I was thrilled that this guy finally came forward after 672 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,320 Speaker 1: all these years. It was very detailed sighting. UH. And 673 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: and I did give that case an unknown unknown U 674 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,760 Speaker 1: A V disposition when I closed it. It was wonderful witness. 675 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,040 Speaker 1: You know, off center question for you, not really off 676 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,759 Speaker 1: but you know here you've got this family connection you 677 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:43,879 Speaker 1: personally with uh. You know this, this governmental military kind 678 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: of connection with your mom, and and I do too, 679 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,479 Speaker 1: and and so many others do as well. This can't 680 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: be a coincidence, I am sure. Have you come across 681 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:58,480 Speaker 1: this being a pattern that people who had military career 682 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,759 Speaker 1: parents are family and present. You just so happened to 683 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,399 Speaker 1: have these high level experiences as well, very much so 684 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: that there's very much so a pattern. It seems like 685 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,839 Speaker 1: the like our visitors are a bit more aggressive if 686 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: you come from a military background, even if it was 687 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: your parents. I have another case I'm working on right now. 688 00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:25,160 Speaker 1: That's a private case opened up about seven years ago. 689 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,640 Speaker 1: And the main witness passed away. But finally his brother 690 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,720 Speaker 1: and his widow, they're they're willing to go on record 691 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:37,759 Speaker 1: and uh, but but their father was involved with Project 692 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: Blue Buck. He was an Air Force, a big mucky 693 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 1: muck in the Air Force, was over stationed in White Sands, 694 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,359 Speaker 1: New Mexico. And this is an extraordinary case. I mean, 695 00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: they were living in my old hometown and there was 696 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: literally a crash of an object in front of their house. 697 00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,240 Speaker 1: There was no debris left. It was like this giant, 698 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:05,359 Speaker 1: purplely looking bluish fireball. Uh. There were four witnesses for 699 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:09,760 Speaker 1: this thing. Police came out there as a police report. 700 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 1: They couldn't see anything, but it. Uh. It was over 701 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: a course of three days which ended up with the 702 00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: whole family being abducted and having four hours of missing time. 703 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: And it was a military family. It was it was 704 00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean Project blue Book that before they were abducted. 705 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,359 Speaker 1: The father was outside and and he and his son, 706 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:38,440 Speaker 1: who I'm speaking with currently, Uh, they witnessed these fireballs. 707 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,440 Speaker 1: Three of them were hanging over the house, just just 708 00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 1: hating there. Uh. They were maybe I think they were 709 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,319 Speaker 1: like three or four feet across each one. And then 710 00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,440 Speaker 1: they watched them slam into the hillside behind their house. 711 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: After that, the father knew that this was UFO involved. 712 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,919 Speaker 1: He he did not call the police the second time. Uh. 713 00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 1: And they were all gathered up in the parents bedroom 714 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: and the bathroom area where they had a window you 715 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,880 Speaker 1: could look out to the back uh kind of a 716 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: large hillside behind their house. There was a strange catawailing 717 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,080 Speaker 1: that was going on the whole night. Uh, and it 718 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: seemed to exacerbate after these things hit the side of 719 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: the mountain behind their house. And Uh. They had a 720 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,759 Speaker 1: story much like Lisa, my wife, and I have their 721 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 1: Their the parents bedroom flooded with light. They could see 722 00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:39,480 Speaker 1: it coming up the staircase up to the bedroom and uh, 723 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:45,520 Speaker 1: and it got real, real bright. The widow of the 724 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,360 Speaker 1: main witness, she was pregnant at the time, and she 725 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,319 Speaker 1: started shouting, Oh my god, I'm being probed somehow that 726 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:57,160 Speaker 1: was lasting anybody remembered. Four hours later, the older brother 727 00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: finds himself pacing outside of his bedroom. Uh, you know 728 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,840 Speaker 1: the widow. Now she was in her own bedroom. But 729 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: they all had the same story. It was four hours. 730 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 1: It couldn't account for. Um. Now, I may actually get 731 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:20,399 Speaker 1: hypnotic regression for the one brother. He's willing to do that. Um. 732 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: The woman involved, I'm not sure that she's going to 733 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: be willing because it just scars her. She she reacted 734 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 1: much the same way that my wife did when we 735 00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:34,600 Speaker 1: had our weird encounter where she remembers the light, she 736 00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:38,000 Speaker 1: remembers everything leading up to it, but she doesn't remember 737 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,080 Speaker 1: what happened after shouting. It shakes up a person's whole 738 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: reality to experience something like that. And in fact, what 739 00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: do you recommend that people do, Like, who do they 740 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,880 Speaker 1: go to, how do they reach out to somebody like 741 00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:57,040 Speaker 1: yourself if they've experienced something like alien contact or UFO sightings, 742 00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: if you go to move fund calm. On that very 743 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,280 Speaker 1: first page that you'll get, it says report a UFO, 744 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: and then there's another link it says report an abduction 745 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,319 Speaker 1: or an entity. If you click on that, it will 746 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,319 Speaker 1: send you to a thirty question questionnaire that you can 747 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,479 Speaker 1: fill out with a little narrative on the bottom, and 748 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,759 Speaker 1: the case will be given to somebody like myself. We 749 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,040 Speaker 1: we right now, we have a little over seventy e 750 00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 1: r T members uh, people that are ranging from pH 751 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 1: d s to you know, uh, you know, psychologists, astrophysicists. 752 00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,239 Speaker 1: You're going to be talking with somebody who's very, very 753 00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 1: knowledgeable about this and who is a non judgmental listener, 754 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: because that's where people find peace, is just being taken seriously, 755 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,600 Speaker 1: having somebody listen to their story and not question it 756 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,280 Speaker 1: even though it's this crazy, amazing thing that we can't 757 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 1: scientifically explain, and that's what they should do. Truly informative 758 00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,600 Speaker 1: and helpful. I want to thank you so much for 759 00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: coming on the show today. This was really a dynamic conversation. 760 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever had somebody all right, feel 761 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,360 Speaker 1: comfortable to talk about their parents very deep involvement, like 762 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 1: I haven't broke that barrier yet, so I'm it's encouraging 763 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,240 Speaker 1: for myself. So I really thank you so much. Um. 764 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,640 Speaker 1: You know what, you guys, we've come to the bottom 765 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,760 Speaker 1: of another show. Can you believe it? It It goes so fast, 766 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,560 Speaker 1: so fast, you know, I I almost miss sometimes having 767 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: done it to our show. I used to host for 768 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,719 Speaker 1: years doing that, and uh, you know, I could just 769 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: fit so much into it, and uh, but you know, 770 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,759 Speaker 1: I love these little morsels of information and I hope 771 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 1: it's as helpful for you guys as it is for 772 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: me to hear. And you know, I want to remind 773 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,799 Speaker 1: you go to my main website, Heidi house dot com, 774 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: shadow folks dot com. Tell me you're alien abduction or 775 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: contact stories, your sightings, your thoughts on it. You know, 776 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,240 Speaker 1: what do you think about this? Do you know somebody 777 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: that's experiences? Do you know somebody who's researching the share 778 00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: about it? Because every little bit of information counts. And 779 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,520 Speaker 1: of course you could write me about any of your 780 00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,880 Speaker 1: peculiar instances or things that you've heard, or things that 781 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,719 Speaker 1: you assume or research, so um, I'll be looking for those. 782 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis dot com, shadow Folks dot com. And uh yeah, 783 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: don't forget to tune in next time because you know 784 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: we're going to be diving into your emails. Right that's 785 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,520 Speaker 1: the next show. All right, you guys, you have been 786 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:39,239 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on 787 00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,919 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast i AM 788 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:57,799 Speaker 1: para normal podcast network. We'll see you next time. Stay safe, everybody, goodbye. Well, 789 00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: if you liked this edition of Dark Becomes Light, wait 790 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,400 Speaker 1: til you hear the next one. You've been listening to 791 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast 792 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: Network m