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Speaker 1: What's Up Its way up with angela Ye we International Today.

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Speaker 1: Leanne Pinnock is here. Thank you for coming to the show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me man listening. Congratulations on the

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Speaker 1: new music and it is sounding amazing. I've been watching

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Speaker 1: just the moves that you've been making for the past

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Speaker 1: couple of years and you just being just really forthcoming

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Speaker 1: about what your journey has been like.

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Speaker 2: So how do you feel knowing that you're about to

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Speaker 2: give this amazing project to the world.

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Speaker 3: I feel so good. No, I feel like it's just

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Speaker 3: such a long time coming. I've been making this for

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Speaker 3: two years now, so yeah, I think there's no better

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Speaker 3: way to show the artists that you are than through

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Speaker 3: an album, you know, the body of work. So this

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Speaker 3: is going to It's just it's so special, and yeah,

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Speaker 3: I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: You know, this year is like fifteen years since Little Mix.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, is that crazy because it was about

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Speaker 1: twenty eleven on X Factor. Yeah, and so fifteen years

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Speaker 1: it's a long time happened and you were only twenty years.

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Speaker 3: Old, nineteen nineteen years old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, think about a little nineteen year oldly Am. What

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Speaker 1: would you say to her?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I would say congratulations, you did it,

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Speaker 3: you made your dream come true. But what I would

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Speaker 3: also say is just try and hold on to that

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Speaker 3: like resilience and that fire, that determination and keep being

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Speaker 3: you know, and no matter what, like you're going to

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Speaker 3: have so much outside noise and opinions and what you

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Speaker 3: should sound like and who should be, but just always

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Speaker 3: trust yourself and know who you are.

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Speaker 2: It's different to being in a group because it's not

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Speaker 2: up to.

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Speaker 3: You no, yeah, literally, and also you have to compromise,

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Speaker 3: you know, like there's four different voices. And we were

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Speaker 3: literally just talking about this earlier, Like there's so many

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Speaker 3: pluses and pros to being in a group, you know,

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Speaker 3: like the fact that you've you've got people that have

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Speaker 3: your back and you don't feel lonely. I think we

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Speaker 3: would always say, like so doo artists, like do they

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Speaker 3: not just get lonely on the road, And the fact

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Speaker 3: that we had each other and that sisterhood was just

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Speaker 3: so special. So so many pros. But I think now

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Speaker 3: like being able to come out of that and do

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Speaker 3: me and like do whatever I want and also do

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Speaker 3: it independently as.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a big deal too.

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Speaker 1: And you have been very open and honest about what

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Speaker 1: your journey has been. Like I feel like while you're

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Speaker 1: in the group sometimes that's a harder thing to do too,

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Speaker 1: because people were thinking and Little Mix didn't break up.

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Speaker 1: You guys are just on a quote hiatus, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: And a hiatus means that it's potential that maybe there

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Speaker 1: will be some reunions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how could they not be? Right, Like

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Speaker 3: we are still so close, like we are still sisters,

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Speaker 3: and I think, like it we've built such a legacy

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Speaker 3: now how can we not go back to that new

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Speaker 3: and revisit that. But at the minute, we're all just

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Speaker 3: enjoying our solo things and being able to fully express ourselves.

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Speaker 3: Like it's been just the best thing for all of us,

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 2: And so you did this documentary on BBC.

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Speaker 1: Race, Pop and Power, So I did have a chance

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Speaker 1: to watch that, and it was really eye opening for

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Speaker 1: me to see because I think sometimes people will look

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Speaker 1: at you and be like, she's beautiful, she's successful, she's talented.

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Speaker 2: You know, she's making money. What could be wrong?

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Speaker 1: And to see you be able to express that because

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Speaker 1: even at that time, people will be like, come on,

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Speaker 1: you know, push through tough enough, and you really did

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Speaker 1: go through a lot because she was the only black

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Speaker 1: member in the group. At times, it just and racism

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Speaker 1: is a real thing. I don't care what people try

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Speaker 1: to tell you. And you know, we're here right now

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Speaker 1: in America where it's been really wild and scary.

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Speaker 2: It's been really wild here. We've really seen a lot

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Speaker 2: of racism.

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Speaker 1: But for people to discount that at the time that

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Speaker 1: it was happening to you, that's not an easy thing.

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Speaker 3: No, not so. But I think, you know, I'm so

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Speaker 3: proud that I was able to put that documentary out

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Speaker 3: and just fully express those feelings. And there was a

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Speaker 3: time where I didn't even feel like I could really

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Speaker 3: it felt like something that I couldn't even articulate, Like

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Speaker 3: why do I feel this way because I'm the black

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Speaker 3: member of the group, Like you're being treated treated differently

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Speaker 3: because you're black, like that those words couldn't even leave

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Speaker 3: my mouth, Like it was. I could only really talk

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Speaker 3: to my family and my friends about it. But so

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Speaker 3: being able to speak on this issue to a mainstream audience,

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Speaker 3: predominantly white audience as well, I guess, is an amazing

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Speaker 3: thing that I got to do. That, but I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 3: like even now, like it feels like we're kind of

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Speaker 3: almost just going back again. You know, like there was

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Speaker 3: talking about race and like businesses were saying that we

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Speaker 3: need more diversity and we need to hire more black

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Speaker 3: people and whatever it was. And now I just feel like,

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Speaker 3: where are all those conversations? Where are they?

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Speaker 1: Like so as less as here in the UK you

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Speaker 1: feel like, oh yeah.

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Speaker 3: It's like you were happy to post square and then

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Speaker 3: but like what are you doing now? Like it was

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Speaker 3: almost like it felt like a trend, you know that

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Speaker 3: people were jumping on and it's ridiculous, and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's annoying, it's frustrating.

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Speaker 1: And to see even other people, other women in entertainment

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Speaker 1: who have come for where you had them in a

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Speaker 1: documentary too, just to give they've had their own experiences

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Speaker 1: separate from what you've gone through, but there's a similar

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Speaker 1: thread there. I think that's a powerful story for people.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Yeah, taking comfort in I guess knowing

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Speaker 3: that I wasn't alone in that, you know, and us

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Speaker 3: being able to speak in that room and share our

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Speaker 3: experiences was just so powerful, and yeah, it just needed

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Speaker 1: Now when you guys decided to take a hiatus and

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Speaker 1: you were like, all right, it's so loo time. Was

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Speaker 1: that something that you did as a result of the

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Speaker 2: Was it something you were already planning.

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Speaker 3: Oh so, I think we kind of knew that we

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Speaker 3: were ready to kind of go on a break, and

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Speaker 3: I think we all had it in us that we

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Speaker 3: wanted to explore this sort of solo journey. But it

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Speaker 3: we decided to go on a break. You know, like,

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Speaker 3: don't think like I just saw the rest of my

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Speaker 3: life in little mix, if I'm being completely honest, right,

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Speaker 3: But I mean maybe like an inkling, I wonder what

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Speaker 3: it would be like, But it was never something that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you knew this was the beginning of something because

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Speaker 1: it was a group that was put together. It's like

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Speaker 1: you put it together yourselves and it was a competition

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Speaker 1: and you had great success. But then after that it's

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Speaker 1: time to be like, Okay, what's next for me?

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Speaker 3: And that's it isn't It's like you can only really

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Speaker 3: express so much of yourself in a group as well.

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Speaker 3: So and also like even the music that I'm doing now,

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Speaker 3: like exploring Baby, I like it.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you you worked with Russian, Yeah, you had

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Speaker 1: Balliant under a single.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but like all of these.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's my that's my vibe away.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, thank you. No, but I wouldn't have been

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Speaker 3: able to really explore like these different genres in little mix.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's just it's freeing for me, and it's yeah,

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Speaker 3: it feels like I can just do me and do

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Speaker 2: You know. So you you have roots in Jamaica and Barbados,

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Speaker 2: is that correct? Yeah? Okay, and you got married in Jamaica.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tell me about your wedding.

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Speaker 3: My wedding, Oh wow, if I'm being honest, I was

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Speaker 3: gonna say it was a bit of shambles.

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Speaker 2: No here, no, do you know?

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Speaker 3: It was so beautiful and we managed to get like

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Speaker 3: eighty people, like eighty of our friends that come over.

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Speaker 3: So it was amazing. We got so many people over

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Speaker 3: to celebrate with us. It was just very badly organized, yeez,

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Speaker 3: and like so that was frustrating, But when I think

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Speaker 3: perfection in terms of like chaos, perfection and chaos, Like

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Speaker 3: what else did I imagine it to be?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 3: But actually, something really quite tragic happened at the end

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Speaker 3: She tripped over her bridesmaid dress with her son on

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Speaker 2: Oh, you were like, could this be anything.

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Speaker 3: Right at the end of the wedding, like it was mad?

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Speaker 2: Did did she leave to get her teeth fixed? Or

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Speaker 3: She had to. She stayed for like another couple of days,

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Speaker 3: bless her with no teeth, Like her mouth was huge.

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Speaker 3: She's still literally like she hasn't even got her full

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Speaker 1: That's awful. I thought it was going to be. But

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Speaker 1: I'm glad she's okay.

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Speaker 3: No, honestly, like it could have been so much worse.

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Speaker 3: Bless her, Like she's fine, but yeah, I feel like

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Speaker 3: we need to go back to Jamaica and.

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Speaker 2: Like redo something right. Like, you know, one of my

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Speaker 2: to make it. It was chaotic as well, weird.

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Speaker 3: I'm not the only one.

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Speaker 2: Everything was running like hours late.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very much that.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, But it feels like you're having like a

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Speaker 1: second awakening in your marriage. Yea, so to speak now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not because and I'm only saying this because I've

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Speaker 1: seen you speak about the difficult time that you've had,

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Speaker 1: but then I've seen your post whereas like my hubby's back.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, I mean to be honest, I feel

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Speaker 3: like the things that we've been through, like if you

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Speaker 3: the other end. And I've sort of said it before

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Speaker 3: change and like he went to therapy and like if

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Speaker 3: you're if they're not going to do that, and like

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Speaker 3: if they're not going to change themselves, then I think

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Speaker 1: You know, we're not going to keep going in so

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Speaker 1: girls doing the same thing you can't change and getting

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Speaker 1: different results.

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Speaker 3: You gotta y Yeah, and he did that. So we

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Speaker 3: have dreamed of speaking about any like troubles with my

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Speaker 3: No, one hundred percent. I think as well, like people

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Speaker 1: God.

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Speaker 3: So she's always had a special place and like I

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Speaker 2: We'll put it out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, right, yeah, no, I love love Prisona.

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Speaker 3: Whole journey you've been do you know what. That is

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Speaker 2: I get this.

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Speaker 3: I've been doing this for years, Like I can do this.

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Speaker 3: Well, I only really spoke to Jade about it, to

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Speaker 2: Like it and comment on it and that you know,

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Speaker 1: But I always look at it like you're a miserable

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Speaker 2: Because think about it. Have you ever left a nasty comment?

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Speaker 3: No, So that's exactly like, yeah, you're too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the twins are so beautiful and adorable. I

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. We actually laughed like me and when

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Speaker 1: How did you feel that it would affect your career,

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I am struggling, Like it's hard,

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent will always be with them, but anything

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00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 3: that I have left kind of will go into everything

442
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 3: else because they are obviously the most important thing in

443
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 3: my life, you know, And it's so hard to kind

444
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 3: of like balance, Like I don't know, I'm just constantly

445
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: trying to find it, you know. So it is hard,

446
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:11,880
Speaker 3: And yeah, I do struggle with it, and they struggle too,

447
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 3: like all they want to do is be with me, And.

448
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,920
Speaker 2: I'm like, and how many do they come to show

449
00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 2: as a lot.

450
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 3: Or so they came, they come to work. Sometimes they

451
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 3: came to my shoe, my video, my film shoot I

452
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 3: was doing else, so they come to they haven't been

453
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 3: they've been to one show when they were like eight months.

454
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm wondering if they've ever had a chance to

455
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 2: see their man.

456
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 3: Wait, what do we talk about? Yeh, sorry, jingle Bell Ball.

457
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 3: They came to that, Yeah, and they loved it. Bless them.

458
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:37,440
Speaker 2: They probably why don't we going again?

459
00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,760
Speaker 3: Literally, but I feel like they want They love singing

460
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 3: and dancing, so you know.

461
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,880
Speaker 1: Always asked so difficult, but your husband being a football star,

462
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 1: to him that physically being able to be present because

463
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 1: of what he does for a living.

464
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 3: Thing, that makes it harder for sure. Yeah, And I

465
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 3: think now I'm seeing the effect on them a little bit,

466
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 3: like they don't know whether he's coming or going. I

467
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 3: mean like it's like he'll come home for like one

468
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 3: to two days in like four to six weeks. And

469
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: I think now that they're at an age where they're

470
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 3: just like, where's our dad? So this is not good?

471
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: Then God have a FaceTime?

472
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 3: May I know?

473
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: Imagine back in the day, we didn't have that.

474
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 3: Literally, Yeah, but yeah, I think we kind of see

475
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 3: we know the light is. I think it will be soon,

476
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 3: He'll just be home.

477
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 1: I've also seen you discuss how you guys were able

478
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 1: to come back together because he needed that time away.

479
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: And sometimes you know where to get when it's at

480
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,199
Speaker 1: risk of being gone. That's when you realize what it

481
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: is that you would be missing.

482
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 3: He had to do self reflection for sure. But yeah,

483
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 3: I think like coming out of your comfort zone, moving

484
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 3: to another country on your own.

485
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, because that's lonely already.

486
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:51,679
Speaker 3: I think he does get lonely, yeah, for sure. So

487
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:55,680
Speaker 3: I think that was something that helped, Yeah, him just

488
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 3: kind of like look inside and reflect. Now.

489
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 1: I love when you do a good ballad me and

490
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 1: Minus You on the album, and I know the album's

491
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: not out, yeah, February twentieth, there's still the date, Okay,

492
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: So when people get a chance to hear that, I

493
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 1: think they're gonna love their ourselves talk to me about

494
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 1: their song.

495
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

496
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: So I did be Minus You with Fred Bull and

497
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 3: a Rita called Kareem Lomax. I wanted a slightly more

498
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 3: vulnerable song that I could show my vocal off, something

499
00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: more stripped back, Like I really wanted to kind of

500
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 3: like show variety on this album. And I think the

501
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,000
Speaker 3: special thing about it is it has that variety, but

502
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 3: it still feels super casive, you know. And I think ultimately, Yeah,

503
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 3: I had this concept to me minus you because I've

504
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: kind of experienced what it could be like without you,

505
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: and regardless of what we've been through, I don't want

506
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: it to be like I don't want to be minus you,

507
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 3: you know, I wanted us to be as one. So yeah,

508
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: I think it's that idea of just wanting to kind

509
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: of like work through your shit and and stay together.

510
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: You know, you said that you've been working on this

511
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: for two years, and from what we see, there's fifteen

512
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: songs on the album.

513
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 2: How many songs did you actually do?

514
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: As in like they didn't make it at when you're

515
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: like yearning for an album? Are you the type of

516
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: person that's like, I did sixty songs and then we

517
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: narrowed it down or are you like I'm only working

518
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: on these songs that I feel like I have the potential.

519
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: Definitely did about sixty songs no more. Yeah, So how.

520
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: Hard is it for you to narrow that down? And

521
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: who do you listen to because it's not you?

522
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? No, it was actually quite hard. But I feel

523
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 3: like because I had my EP as well, so all

524
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: the songs that i'd written right at the beginning, a

525
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 3: lot of them ended up on my EP, and that

526
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 3: was where I was. My headspace them was I just

527
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 3: wanted to write love songs and like heartbreak and obviously

528
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 3: a lot of it. No, I know, yeah we do.

529
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: I love a good I love yes, but I think

530
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 3: as well, that's that's all I wanted to really talk about.

531
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 3: So I'm glad I got to put the EP out

532
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: now Feelings, But yeah, I think that even with the album,

533
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: like I had to do the track list myself, and

534
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,919
Speaker 3: I've never had to do that before because I do

535
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 3: have an A and R. But she's very much like Lee,

536
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 3: like this is your album. You know what you're doing,

537
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 3: like you're in full control of this, whereas like the previously,

538
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 3: I've had A and R's that either do it or

539
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 3: just help you do it. So I've really had to

540
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 3: sort of trust my guard and like my instinct and

541
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 3: that also that I know what I'm doing, you know,

542
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:33,919
Speaker 3: like I know what my story is, I know what

543
00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 3: feels right and yeah, so I was pretty proud of myself.

544
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: Do you believe in no horror Feelings?

545
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: For real? I know that's the EP title, Yeah, but

546
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,400
Speaker 1: no horror feelings? When we say that, we really mean

547
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: do we really mean that.

548
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 3: I think, so, yeah, I feel like to mean that.

549
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 3: I think for me, it was like I'm gonna err

550
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 3: out all of this stuff and you're gonna have to

551
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 3: sit there and kind of of let me do that

552
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: sort of thing because I have so much that I

553
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: want to get off my chest. And obviously I'm a singer,

554
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 3: I'm a writer, like I want to lead with truth

555
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 3: and be personable. And you know what you.

556
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 2: Were getting yourself into again for him.

557
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: Like yeah, exactly, yeah.

558
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 2: Getting himself in exactly.

559
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 1: But you know, I can't imagine how difficult of a

560
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: time that was because dealing with label drama, dealing with

561
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: drama at home, you know, and then raising twins.

562
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: That's a lot all at once.

563
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, to be fair, I will say the

564
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,200
Speaker 3: drama at home, yeah, but that all of that stuff

565
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: sort of happened like quite a while back, like some

566
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 3: years ago. So I think we have been able to

567
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 3: sort of work through that and luckily feel like everything

568
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 3: at home is actually great and everything else just felt

569
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 3: a bit shit obviously, like with the label and everything.

570
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: But I took comfort knowing that home was good. You know,

571
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 3: I had have to deal with that a lot. Did

572
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: that was good. Yeah, but yeah, no.

573
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 1: Did anyone from the label retail after they ghosted you,

574
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: like when you put it out there, because I would

575
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: think somebody cared, like somebody had to be here, think yeah, okay.

576
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: Now well oh actually yeah the other day, okay, I

577
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 3: got a message. Yeah, but I think I don't know,

578
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: like I feel like these like labels and these like

579
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: just they don't understand that we're humans and like this

580
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 3: is our life. Yeah, you know, and like you literally

581
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 3: went months and months and months pushing me to the side,

582
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 3: not responding, and I didn't know where I stood, and

583
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 3: I went a year without releasing anything, like you could

584
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 3: have literally stunted my whole You kind of did start

585
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 3: my career a little bit, you know. Like so it's

586
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 3: just it's annoying, but I just feel like at the

587
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 3: same time, it had to happen, you know, like I'm

588
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: where I am now, independent releasing the album that I'm

589
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:06,959
Speaker 3: so fucking proud of.

590
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, soir told me too. There's the name of

591
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: the album.

592
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just have to know, like when you

593
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: came up with this concept and the album is called

594
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: my ego told me to, what is that about?

595
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: So my ego told me to. I feel like there's

596
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 3: been a side that I have suppressed over the years,

597
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: and she is basically the younger version of myself. Like

598
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 3: she went into the group, she died, her read, she

599
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: had all of this fire about her. She wouldn't take

600
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: no for an answer, like she just she was just

601
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: this force and she was fearless. And I just feel like,

602
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 3: over as the years have gone on, like she's kind

603
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: of suppressed. I've suppressed it and I've sort of like

604
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 3: pushed her down and with all of the crap that happened,

605
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: like with the label and just it kind of like

606
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 3: forced me for not forced me. I wanted to revive

607
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 3: this version, you know. And I think they're like even

608
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: with dead and gone, it's like about killing off this

609
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: side of me that just doesn't know it no longer

610
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 3: serves me in this industry, like this soft on, more

611
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 3: vulnerable side. Yeah, I wanted to bring my ego out

612
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 3: and just.

613
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: Kind of have a take over some shit and yeah,

614
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: and if you don't like it, then it's there where

615
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: you've argue.

616
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 3: Literally, And I think it's all about like my ego

617
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 3: told me to. She told me to go independent, she

618
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: told me to be feelers she told me to be

619
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 3: brave and put out an album that I'm totally proud of,

620
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 3: and yeah, just be me as well, and like be

621
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: unapologetic with it.

622
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 2: And the tour is coming up to you announced that, yes, SO.

623
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: Tours in April so UK and Europe, which I'm really

624
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 3: excited about and I think as well, I knowing that

625
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: I get to bring this album to life.

626
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: Like wait, all right, well, congratulations and thank you so

627
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: much for joining us.

628
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 2: Thank you.

629
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: You know, like I said, this is totally my so

630
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: I'm excited for everybody to be able to have a

631
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: chance to hear the full album in its entirety. But

632
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: right now, there's four singles out, you know today there's

633
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: four because Most Wanted Today comes out. So congratulations, thank

634
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: you so much, and thank you for being here.

635
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 3: Thank you,