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Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Everyone welcome The Mother Knows Death. The past couple of episodes,

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Speaker 3: we've covered Domestic Violence Awareness Month with Jim Schmidt talking

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Speaker 3: about his daughter Gabby Petito, who was murdered and was

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Speaker 3: a victim of domestic violence. Yesterday's episode was a crossover

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Speaker 3: episode with Gandhi from Sauce on the Side, and Gandhi

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Speaker 3: is also a part of the Elvis Dran podcast network

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Speaker 3: with us. So today we have a lot of news

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Speaker 3: stories to catch up on. We're going to start off

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Speaker 3: with Kim Kardashian and her brain aneurysm that may have

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Speaker 3: been caused by Kanye West. A woman who set her

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Speaker 3: building on fire because she was trying to kill a cockroach.

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Speaker 3: A grandfather that was boiled alive at a hotel, a

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Speaker 3: man who was dead for days at a retirement home

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Speaker 3: and no one noticed, of course, and let's finish it

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Speaker 3: off with monkeys with herpes. We'll finish the episode with

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Speaker 3: your questions comments. All that moral Titty's episode. Let's get

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Speaker 3: started with the Kim Kardashian story. It's every week with

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Speaker 3: this woman.

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Speaker 4: Well, there are new seasons airing right now, so you're

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Speaker 4: definitely going to see a bunch of stuff. So the

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Speaker 4: trailer came out for the Kardashians and Kim revealed that

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Speaker 4: she got one of those full body pernuvo scans. Were

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Speaker 4: we just talking to Elvis about this last year, Well,

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Speaker 4: he wanted a surgeon to open open him up and

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Speaker 4: fully look inside, not just do it.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that was I don't know if you guys listened to,

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Speaker 3: because we did another episode with Elvis Duran himself and

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Speaker 3: he was asking me, like, can people just I didn't

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Speaker 3: even understand what he was saying, but he was just saying, like,

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Speaker 3: can I just get a surgeon to caught me open

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Speaker 3: and look around tell me if anything's wrong? And I said, no,

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Speaker 3: I don't think anybody's going to do that for you.

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Speaker 3: You could get one of these full body scans that

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Speaker 3: they're always advertising, but you definitely can't get someone to

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Speaker 3: just do an exploratory laborotomy on you just to see

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Speaker 3: if something's wrong when you have absolutely no symptoms.

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Speaker 4: So that was funny, pretty insane to what somebody does.

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Speaker 3: I'm just like, I'm like, why would you want that?

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Speaker 4: So Kim got one of these done and then they

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Speaker 4: detected she had a quote little brain aneurism. What are

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Speaker 4: your thoughts on this?

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Speaker 3: I just think this is such bullshit, Like when if

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Speaker 3: you get one of these full body scans on any

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Speaker 3: single person, you're just gonna find something a little weird.

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Speaker 3: And the fact that they said she has a little

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Speaker 3: But she didn't say anything that they were treating it,

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Speaker 3: so it's just like, if they're not going to treat it,

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Speaker 3: it's just.

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Speaker 2: Not that big of a deal.

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Speaker 4: Well, she didn't reveal yet because she went on Good

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Speaker 4: Morning America earlier this week and said, basically, you have

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Speaker 4: to watch the episode to find out what happened, which,

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Speaker 4: of course, well, if.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if she did get treatment, then I would say, okay,

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Speaker 3: then that's a little bit more of a significant finding,

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Speaker 3: because like, people live with brain aneurysms all the time,

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Speaker 3: if it's incidentally identified on a scan such as this,

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Speaker 3: or maybe you're getting a scan for something else, they're

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Speaker 3: Dark Side, New Jersey, was that two weeks ago now

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Speaker 3: or ye two saturdays ago, two saturdays ago, which we

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Speaker 3: as soon as we get the audio from that, because.

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Speaker 2: That makes we promised.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's coming, we promise, and it was a good episode,

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Speaker 3: so I want you guys to hear it. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: that at that Oddity exhibit at the Dark Side and

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Speaker 3: So glad I was able to get here, get out

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Speaker 3: so in the episode, apparently Kim Kardashian said that she

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Speaker 4: That's not true necessarily. The trailer alluded to the fact

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Speaker 4: in the middle of her divorce, she was going through

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Speaker 3: But in the trailer or the episode, she said specifically

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Speaker 4: Well it's interesting though that they are backtracking on it,

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Speaker 3: So interesting, Well, getting back to this MRI, Like, the

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing as a routine MRI. Well, that's

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Speaker 3: like everybody needs to see that. This whole entire episode

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Speaker 4: And they are all it is ad about it because, uh,

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Speaker 1: Because you're saying it's so unnecessary for people to get done.

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Speaker 3: So it could have just been like this hair millimeter,

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Speaker 3: So I mean, I could be I could stand corrected

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Speaker 4: I'm like, the product placement is unbelievable. They will literally

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Speaker 4: It's outrageous, and they'll be talking so much about.

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Speaker 2: Like it's just like, come on, dude, I.

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Speaker 4: Know somebody that got one of these done. What the

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Speaker 4: MRI the pranuvo.

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Speaker 4: Had positive results from it, but it was also like

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Speaker 3: That's what's very important to say that it's not it's

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Speaker 3: not a screening test. I mean, you could use it

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Speaker 3: It's weird because they've again they've come on the scene

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Speaker 4: Oh totally. And this woman's not the only person that

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Speaker 2: But still it's just.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're just like, if you're just like a

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Speaker 4: hotel because he was going to see his granddaughter graduate

438
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Speaker 4: from college the next day. And at the hotel he

439
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Speaker 4: is taking a shower, but the water was so hot

440
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Speaker 4: that he was essentially boiled alive and found unconscious a

441
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Speaker 4: little while later by his grandson.

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Speaker 3: So was he taking a shower or he was taking

443
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Speaker 3: a bath?

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Speaker 2: I think he was.

445
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Speaker 4: Taking a shower, But they were saying they found him

446
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Speaker 4: submerged in water. So was it one of those like

447
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Speaker 4: the drain wasn't fully or did he was he in

448
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Speaker 4: the bath and the shower head was turned on I'm

449
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Speaker 4: not really sure. Well, regardless, I think so. Gandhi actually

450
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Speaker 4: texted this morning and asked about this, like, what, how

451
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Speaker 4: the hell did this happen? And I think obviously the

452
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Speaker 4: headline's a little sensationalized, I mean, but technically not at

453
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Speaker 4: the same time, because what you know, I don't know

454
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Speaker 4: how it works in hotels, but I know in the house,

455
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Speaker 4: for example, our hot water heater, you could adjust how

456
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Speaker 4: hot the water is, and in our house we do

457
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Speaker 4: keep we keep the water extra hot, because number one,

458
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Speaker 4: I'd like to take really hot bass. But number two,

459
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Speaker 4: I find that it's easy to wash dishes if you

460
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Speaker 4: just if you eat dinner and you just run it

461
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Speaker 4: under really hot water, like you don't even.

462
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Speaker 3: Need to use soap. It just cleans the dish, you know.

463
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Speaker 3: That's what they do in restaurants and stuff too. I guess.

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Speaker 2: So I'm a.

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Speaker 3: Assuming that at hotels as well, there's some kind of

466
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Speaker 3: a gauge on it, because most cities and most states

467
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Speaker 3: recommend a certain temperature, so like one hundred and twenty

468
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Speaker 3: degrees for example, that they think that humans can tolerate,

469
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Speaker 3: just to prevent accidental burns like this. So there's that

470
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Speaker 3: this guy is also he's old, a little bit older,

471
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Speaker 3: seventy seven, So he's seventy seven. So when you get older,

472
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Speaker 3: your skin gets a lot thinner. You lose subcutaneous fat,

473
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Speaker 3: or the fat that's underneath of your skin. That's why

474
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Speaker 3: with old people you see that they get these huge

475
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Speaker 3: bruises on their arm just by like walking by the

476
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Speaker 3: table and bumping it, just because the skin gets so thin.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember, like years ago about

478
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Speaker 3: this woman that got burned really bad with the hot

479
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Speaker 3: coffee at McDonald's. It was like this huge lawsuit and well.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because even Seinfeld made an episode about it because

481
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Speaker 4: it was such a big deal.

482
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And when you look at the details of that case,

483
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Speaker 3: it was like the woman was a little bit elderly,

484
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Speaker 3: she had thinner skin, and she ended up getting third

485
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Speaker 3: degree burns, which arets should just not happen with with

486
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Speaker 3: coffee unless it's served too hot. And that was the

487
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Speaker 3: whole lawsuit was like it was served too hot. And

488
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you right now, like I get we get

489
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Speaker 3: coffee sometimes from a place and it's so hot, like

490
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Speaker 3: I can't even touch it for an hour at least,

491
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Speaker 3: it's just so hot, like it actually burns my hands

492
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Speaker 3: through the insulated cup. I just know that the temperature

493
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Speaker 3: is not right on it, and that's what's scary, because

494
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Speaker 3: when they're handing it to you through the drive through,

495
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Speaker 3: that just is a potential for it to fall on

496
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Speaker 3: you and burn you like that, right, So that so

497
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Speaker 3: in this case, if they find this guy dead in

498
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Speaker 3: the top, they're obviously going to do an autopsy to

499
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Speaker 3: try to find out exactly what happened. And when they

500
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Speaker 3: did the autopsy, they found that they didn't see anything

501
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Speaker 3: that would have caused his immediate death except the fact

502
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Speaker 3: that he had these burn on thirty percent of his body.

503
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Speaker 3: So what happens. You know, your skin's an organ, right.

504
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Speaker 3: A lot of people don't think about your skin being

505
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Speaker 3: an organ, but it's an organ. So when you get

506
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Speaker 3: burns on a large portion of your body, there's a

507
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Speaker 3: lot of different things to consider that could happen, but

508
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Speaker 3: in the immediate So in the future, you might think

509
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Speaker 3: about infections because your skin is the barrier that holds

510
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Speaker 3: you from the outside world, and when you don't have that,

511
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Speaker 3: you just have an increased risk of like bacteria stuff

512
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Speaker 3: getting through your skin. But that wouldn't happen instantaneously in

513
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Speaker 3: the immediate danger of getting burns Like this is because

514
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Speaker 3: your skin is also responsible for regulating your body temperature,

515
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Speaker 3: and your body temperature is important because your organs have

516
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Speaker 3: to stay at a certain temperature in order for them

517
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Speaker 3: to function correctly. So think about when you have a fever,

518
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Speaker 3: for example, that would be considered hyperthermia because you're you're

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Speaker 3: hotter than you're supposed to be. And think about like

520
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Speaker 3: how shitty you feel when you have one hundred degree fever,

521
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Speaker 3: even just a minor fever, you feel totally, you feel

522
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Speaker 3: like shit, right, So, so that that the skin is

523
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Speaker 3: helping regulate your body temperature, and when you have that

524
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Speaker 3: large of a portion of your skin burned, you could

525
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Speaker 3: be caught. You could get hyperthermia, and that's exactly what

526
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 3: or hypothermia you could. It fluctuates depending, but you can

527
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Speaker 3: die from that. It could cause your organs to shut

528
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Speaker 3: down and die from that. So they determined that that

529
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Speaker 3: was what killed him, and you know, of course they're

530
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Speaker 3: going to go back and the other factors are going

531
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Speaker 3: to be that he was older and his skin was thinner,

532
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Speaker 3: so he was like at more of a risk for burns,

533
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Speaker 3: and well, listen, to.

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Speaker 4: The details of this. They're saying the water was so

535
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Speaker 4: dangerously hot that they could not initially lift him from

536
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Speaker 4: the tub. As they struggled desperately to save him, they

537
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Speaker 4: were forced to watch in horror as his skin peeled

538
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Speaker 4: away from his body, and then they said they could

539
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Speaker 4: not touch him without burning themselves.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that wasn't even immediately after. That wasn't in

541
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Speaker 3: me iediately after, Like they didn't hear a because you

542
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 3: were saying he took a shower, So I'm assuming that

543
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Speaker 3: they would have. If he was taking a shower, there

544
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Speaker 3: would have been some kind of a thump.

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Speaker 4: The lawsuit is saying they believe they found him within minutes,

546
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Speaker 4: but I don't.

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Speaker 2: Think the water were still.

548
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and think about that, like when you when you

549
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Speaker 3: take a bath, when you're not in a bathtub, that

550
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: that has a jet, right, the water's hot and it

551
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 3: cools down pretty fast. So if it was that hot

552
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: there had there could have been something broke on whatever

553
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: regulator controls the temperature of it, or something happened. Maybe

554
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 3: they installed a new hot water heater. I know sometimes

555
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 3: when you go to airbnbs and stuff, the hot water

556
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 3: heater will be in the closet or something like. I

557
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: don't know if I've ever seen that at a hotel

558
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Speaker 3: that an actual person would have access to it to

559
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Speaker 3: change it like that, which is I guess also a

560
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Speaker 3: possibility if a person was there and taking showers and

561
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 3: didn't think the water was hot enough, someone could have

562
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Speaker 3: messed with it if they had access to it. I

563
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 3: just don't see that because it was a Marriott or something, right.

564
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Speaker 4: Yeah, do you think that it's possible he got in

565
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Speaker 4: the shower when it was a normal temperature and it

566
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Speaker 4: just got that hot so quickly that it kind of

567
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Speaker 4: like stunned his body that he couldn't move to turn

568
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Speaker 4: it off.

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Speaker 3: It could have just been a lot of different things.

570
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Speaker 3: Because another thing to consider is that they said they

571
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Speaker 3: found him submerged in water, which to me would mean

572
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Speaker 3: that the that it was plugged because normally the water

573
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Speaker 3: goes down the drain.

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Speaker 4: But is it possible he fell and blocked the drains? Yeah,

575
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Speaker 4: then it started filling up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's possible.

577
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Speaker 3: It's also just possible the plug was in and the

578
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: water was filling up and then his feet to his

579
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 3: you know, mid calf, was submerged in water that hot

580
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: would also increase your body temperature and could make you,

581
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Speaker 3: you know, pass out. I don't know exactly what happened,

582
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Speaker 3: but they did say that he had high blood pressure,

583
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Speaker 3: which was a contributing factor. So that would be not

584
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Speaker 3: only from like looking at the medications that he's on

585
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 3: in a history of high blood pressure perhaps, but also

586
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Speaker 3: you could see if a person has long standing high

587
00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 3: blood pressure, you could see that the pomp or the

588
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: left ventricle of their heart is enlarged because their heart

589
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Speaker 3: is working harder. And when you work, just like if

590
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: you work a muscle in your arm, it gets bigger.

591
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 3: It's the same exact thing with your heart, so it's

592
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: working harder and getting bigger. But they didn't think that

593
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Speaker 3: it was severe enough that it would have caused him

594
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Speaker 3: to die. And based with those burns, I mean this

595
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Speaker 3: is like a huge lawsuit.

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Speaker 4: Oh for sure. I mean totally unaccepted.

597
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: This episode is brought to you by the Gross Room. Guys,

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Speaker 3: And speaking of people getting boiled alive, we actually have

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Speaker 3: a case in the Grosser Room from when a person

603
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Speaker 3: was actually boiled alive. It's a it's a vintage case.

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Speaker 3: And it's really really, it's so disturbing. But you know,

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Speaker 3: that's why I was saying that the title of the

606
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Speaker 3: of the other article was a little sensationalized. But I

607
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Speaker 3: I was making Matza ball soup this weekend, and I

608
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Speaker 3: was making the broth. And when you do that, you

609
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Speaker 3: put a whole entire chicken and you cook it over

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Speaker 3: hours for it to really be boiled, right, and when

611
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Speaker 3: you get to the soup hours later, it's just like

612
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Speaker 3: the bones are completely separated from the meat. And that

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Speaker 3: would that's what I think of boiled alive. And in

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Speaker 3: this case, in no, it's I mean it it's it's

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Speaker 3: it's really disturbing, but that's I mean, that's what it

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Speaker 3: is what it is. So in this case in the

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Speaker 3: grosser room. So this was a this was actually a friend.

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Speaker 3: Like Friday I wrote about what happens when a person

619
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Speaker 3: spoiled alive, this person was actually boiled alive and looks

620
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Speaker 3: more similar to the remains of my soup than just

621
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Speaker 3: a person that has severe burns on their body. Like

622
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Speaker 3: there's and something weird happened with the bone and it

623
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Speaker 3: involves a dog, and it's just this story is absolutely

624
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Speaker 3: crazy and it's actually probably a murder that was that

625
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 3: was hidden. But that's a side note. So what else

626
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Speaker 3: did we have going on in the grocerroom this week? Oh,

627
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Speaker 3: we had Scream, So we had Scream. We covered Scream.

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Speaker 3: So last year we did we did these high profile

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Speaker 3: movie dis sect like a movie dissection, where we went

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Speaker 3: through the movie Sleepy Hollow as well as the movie

631
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Speaker 3: Seven and just said is this probable or not? Is

632
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Speaker 3: this you know, all of the different scenes, we kind

633
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Speaker 3: of go through put clips of the movie and it

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Speaker 3: was really fun. So which if you join the grocerroom,

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Speaker 3: you all have access to all that stuff too. But

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Speaker 3: then this year we did Scream, and we did it

637
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Speaker 3: a little differently because Scream was actually based on a

638
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Speaker 3: real life serial killer and it's just cool to see

639
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Speaker 3: what parts of the actual story they took and just

640
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Speaker 3: like what was the inspiration for the movie and compare

641
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Speaker 3: and can trast the different things. But then we also

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Speaker 3: compare it to another murder case that's more recent and

643
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Speaker 3: one of the most disturbing, really disturbing serial killers out

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Speaker 3: there that's not talked about that much, So make sure.

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Speaker 4: That you check that out too. Head over to the

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 4: This woman went to visit her seventy five year old

650
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Speaker 4: uncle at his retirement home and when she got there,

651
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 4: she found him dead in his chair, saying he looked

652
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Speaker 4: like a skeleton. This is another like lawsuit worthy.

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Speaker 2: What the hell is going on at this place?

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Speaker 4: They had man dates to check in on the people

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Speaker 4: and the residence if they didn't hear from them by

656
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Speaker 4: a certain point every day, and they did not do that, yeah,

657
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 4: for what was it, three or four days? Yeah, so

658
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 4: it ended up being the sheriff said they thought he

659
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 4: was sitting there basically for three to four days. And obviously,

660
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 4: like if he just died of natural causes, like them

661
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 4: checking on him or not, wouldn't have made him, you know,

662
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: would have revived him. But he shouldn't have been sitting

663
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 4: there for three to four days. It's disgraceful.

664
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 3: The whole entire thing is actually interesting because obviously so

665
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 3: it happened in shccer Maricopa County. It seems like that's

666
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: where all the shady business is happening there in Arizona.

667
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 3: So in Arizona it's hot as hell still, so I

668
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: would assume that buildings like that have air conditioning, so

669
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 3: that would definitely slow down decomposition for sure, but it

670
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 3: would still be happening. And I would think after three

671
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: to four days of a body being out in room

672
00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,479
Speaker 3: temperature like that that it would start to And I

673
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 3: don't believe that it looked I mean, I definitely think

674
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 3: that it could have had some changes that could have

675
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: make the face appear to be more sunken in, But

676
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 3: I don't think that the body looked like a skeleton,

677
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 3: because it's just there's not enough time for that to happen.

678
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 4: No, I mean, it was probably more just her misspeaking

679
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 4: about seeing No.

680
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 3: I'm sure he looked disturbing as hell. And I guess

681
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 3: the thing that's more that's bothersome to me is that

682
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: that no one smelled that. If they're living in rooms

683
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: within a building like that, I just can't imagine that

684
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: that wasn't addressed. And obviously, I mean that's the scary.

685
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 3: It's it's almost like sticking your kid in a daycare center,

686
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 3: like you don't you trust, and you go visit and

687
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 3: you think it's okay, but you have these either babies

688
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 3: that can't talk for them adults that can't talk for themselves,

689
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 3: that are they can possibly be getting mistreated and you

690
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't even know it, and that's why you pay for

691
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 3: I mean, like the guy would have been better off

692
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 3: being at his house by himself.

693
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, but all right, So like, yeah, and I think

694
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: that the niece was really trusting of this facility because

695
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 4: their policy was that they were that all residents were

696
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: supposed to push a button a signal that they were

697
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: all right by ten am every day, and if the

698
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 4: staff did not receive that signal from them, they were

699
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 4: supposed to reach out. But in his case, he didn't

700
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 4: push the button. They said, they tried to call him,

701
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 4: couldn't get in touch with him, and then nobody ever

702
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: physically went up to his apartment to check on him,

703
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 4: which is completely unacceptable. But his wife just died. He

704
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 4: only has lived in this place since January, and seemingly

705
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 4: it had seemed like a good place to be until this.

706
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could exactly.

707
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 3: Like it just it could just be like, uh a,

708
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 3: you know, we were talking a couple of weeks ago

709
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 3: about that that nurse that handed you know, there was

710
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: the wrong baby handed to the wrong mother. Yeah, it's

711
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: just like It probably has something to do with a

712
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 3: change in shifts and people not following some kind of

713
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 3: protocol that they should be following, and multiple you know,

714
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: we were saying with the case with the nurse, there's

715
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: like multiple checks in place, so if some if something

716
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 3: does fall through the cracks, like the next backup person

717
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: is supposed to catch it. All of the systems in

718
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 3: the hospital are set up like that, and it's probably

719
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 3: some kind of failure with that, I would say more

720
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 3: than if if the place has a pretty good rep

721
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: I would say it's probably that more than just like

722
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 3: pure negligence.

723
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean I could even see if there

724
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 4: was a shift change on day one and they missed it,

725
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: But three to four days in a.

726
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 3: Row, now, yeah, not even day one. I mean, it's

727
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: just it's not it's not.

728
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 4: Unacceptable too, but you could see it, you know, happening

729
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 4: a little more in that situation, but clearly they were

730
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 4: not doing their job.

731
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: And just like you going and visiting your family member

732
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 3: and thinking you're going to see them alive and then

733
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: seeing them dead would be traumatic in itself, but to

734
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: see a dead body that's decomposing is just so traumatic

735
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,919
Speaker 3: and we'll never get erased out of that woman's mind.

736
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 3: You know, that's that's like a pain and suffrage situation.

737
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: I sure as ill.

738
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to see my loved one like that.

739
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 4: So and she shouldn't have had Yeah, she shouldn't have

740
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 4: had two you exactly. It's absolutely ridiculous.

741
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

742
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 4: Earlier this week, a truck transporting monkeys to a Florida

743
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 4: testing lab gotten horrific accident, causing the monkeys to get loose,

744
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 4: and apparently the driver incorrectly told police that they were

745
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 4: very dangerous and infected with herpes hepatato sea in COVID.

746
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 4: So people were freaking out, but it was not true

747
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 4: that they were infected with anything.

748
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 3: So when I first heard that, like I barely know

749
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 3: anything about what gets done in RESAR, but just to me,

750
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 3: I just was like, this is why would they purposely

751
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 3: infect monkeys with all of these different viruses?

752
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: Like I could.

753
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: See one and maybe even two if you want to

754
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 3: see how they act together. It's just a little like

755
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 3: what study are they doing? Oh, we want to see

756
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 3: the implications of a monkey that has viral hepatitis that

757
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 3: also gets a COVID infection and a herpes infection at

758
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 3: the same time, like it just seems like a little

759
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 3: bit of a stretch to do that, to give these

760
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: monkeys that, so so I was just kind of like, Okay,

761
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: I just don't understand why this guy thought that and

762
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 3: why he said it out loud or did it just

763
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 3: get lost in translation.

764
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 4: I'm sure, but the university they were being transported from

765
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 4: was saying they didn't have any infectious diseases at all,

766
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 4: So I'm not really sure where that even came from.

767
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 4: It seems like it was totally fabricated. But before they

768
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:02,760
Speaker 4: knew that they caught some of the monkeys and euthanize.

769
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 3: Them, Well, I was thinking that too, just in general,

770
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 3: I mean they have I mean, what's the difference like

771
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 3: those those those monkeys are getting killed. They're being used

772
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 3: for scientific research, so they would have gotten killed either

773
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,760
Speaker 3: way when they were done with them. And it's it's

774
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: actually upsetting because there were reports that these monkeys were aggressive.

775
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 3: But was that false too, I'm not sure.

776
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 4: Well, you know, they were saying that the monkeys weren't dangerous, but.

777
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 3: But they weren't dangerous from a transmissible infection standpoint or

778
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 3: like to personally, I don't think they were dangerous from

779
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 3: what you're saying, but after you watch you know, documentaries

780
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 3: and stuff like chim crazy, monkeys are not necessarily the

781
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: safest well animals to be around humans.

782
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: This is the thing though.

783
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 3: Chimps are are closest to us that if you were

784
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: to do it would be the best because they're they're

785
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: genetically the closest to us. But they get a little angy,

786
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 3: like yeah, like I think Charlette Nash, Charlotte, Yeah, Charlotte

787
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,280
Speaker 3: Nash like, which is another another one we wrote about

788
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 3: in the Gross Room with a disturbing of of that,

789
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: and you said, there's like a whole isn't there like

790
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: a whole show about that?

791
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 4: Yeah?

792
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 2: Chimp crazy. Yeah.

793
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 4: So they follow around this woman Tanya that's like absolutely

794
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: insane that has this chimp.

795
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 2: She like stole one.

796
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 4: It was like fugitive, it's insane. But they did have

797
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 4: a I think the second episode is all about the

798
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 4: other incident where the that chimp ripped off Carla Nash's

799
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 4: face and it was horrific. I mean that you were

800
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 4: saying you were maybe gonna show Lucia because she like

801
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 4: Tiger King, and I was like, I don't know. It

802
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 4: was pretty disturbing to watch as an adult.

803
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: I don't know the story.

804
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 3: The story is disturbing. So it's this monkey's called the

805
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 3: recis monkey. I think it's called but I guess they

806
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 3: use this particular one because there's a lot of them.

807
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 3: They grow or they grow, they live in all different

808
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 3: parts of the world, so they're easy to get and

809
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: they obviously they have a more chill disposition than a

810
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: chimp would have. But the thing is with primates is

811
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 3: that they're very intelligent animals, so they know what's going

812
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 3: on this particular species, which is really crazy that they

813
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 3: say this. When they're studying them. They said that they

814
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 3: have social intelligence. They side with relatives when fights happen.

815
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 3: They're very family oriented. They recruit allies when they attack

816
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 3: most and most of their daily lives are spent building

817
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 3: political alliances. So to me, if they're able to do

818
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: all that, then I would think if they see that

819
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: they're under the control of humans that are doing things

820
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: on them that hurt them, that they're like kind of

821
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: aware of what's happening a little bit more than the

822
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: average rabbit so does speak. So it is I mean, obviously,

823
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 3: like if they get let loose, they're gonna split, and

824
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 3: if they were enjoying it, why would they leave. They're

825
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 3: not enjoying it, right, They're leaving and now they're getting

826
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: so like their whole life was just for the purpose

827
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 3: of using them for that, and then they got destroyed

828
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 3: because of because they were potentially infectious, which you have

829
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: to do because they can transmit that to a human.

830
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 4: Well, I was gonna ask about the transmission to human,

831
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: but also, like I did notice they kept using the

832
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 4: terminology we've destroyed them, which was interesting, but I think

833
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: they were saying they killed them because of the infectious disease,

834
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 4: but then that part turned out not to be true

835
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 4: at all. But I get what you're saying in some capacity,

836
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 4: Like I hate when we covered I'm definitely not a

837
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 4: number one animal advocate, right, Like I'm not really fond

838
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: of animals that much, but I can definitely say it's

839
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: not right when, like, you know, a shark bites a

840
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 4: human when the shark is just in its home in

841
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,479
Speaker 4: the ocean, and then the shark gets killed or a bear,

842
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: you know, like things like that really bothered me. So

843
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 4: I was like, this is so fucked up that they

844
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 4: like killed these monkeys after finding them but I guess

845
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 4: is it better that they got what they say destroyed

846
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 4: after they were found now than going to the lab

847
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 4: and continuing to get tortured the rest of their lives.

848
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's just like do it now or

849
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: do it later kind of thing. It's the whole situation's

850
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: messed up. And it's actually we had a story while

851
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,319
Speaker 3: we said this on our YouTube Live in the Grosser Room,

852
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 3: that we had a story last week that there was

853
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: some really bad accident and someone was transporting I mean cats.

854
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 3: It wasn't for research, it was for adoption. But the

855
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: same thing happened. The van that the cats were in

856
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: crash so bad that they were exposed to the street

857
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 3: and the cage is broke and they ran. And then

858
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: now you have I think they caught some of them,

859
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: but like you have cats living in the woods on

860
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: the side of a highway now that aren't used to

861
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 3: they could possibly be indoor cats and not used to

862
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: being outside.

863
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 4: So then some some outlets were reporting that three were

864
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 4: still missing, while some outlets were reporting that one was

865
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 4: still missing. So, I mean, that's kind of eerie to

866
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 4: just know a monkey is on the loose, And I

867
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 4: guess you don't know the full state of the monkey,

868
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 4: if it's being tortured in a labits whole life, if

869
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 4: it's gonna have normal behavior or not. And even when

870
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 4: they do have normal behavior, they can still be aggressive

871
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: towards humans, probably especially when they feel threatened.

872
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

873
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 4: So, I don't know if you saw this story this morning.

874
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Speaker 4: I just saw that people were out of Spirit Halloween

875
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 4: in Texas and this monkey wearing a diaper I seem,

876
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 4: singing from the ceiling and then the owner had to

877
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 4: lure it down with a cookie after the police were called.

878
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Speaker 4: But of like, why is the monkey in the store?

879
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,879
Speaker 3: Well, it's probably the owner's monkey, right, Well, no.

880
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 4: I'm talking with the owner of the monkey. I don't

881
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 4: think it's a story's owner.

882
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, so, because because there's definitely like this,

883
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 3: there's been a change over the past couple of years

884
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 3: that there's not this line of like where is it

885
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 3: appropriate to bring animals? And obviously, like dogs are the

886
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: most socially acceptable ones, so people bring them to restaurants

887
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,279
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. I don't know if it's necessary

888
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 3: that we put the ministroller and bring them to the mall,

889
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 3: but okay, do.

890
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 4: What everybody else do, do.

891
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 2: Whatever you want to do.

892
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: But whenever these lines are broken, then there's like the

893
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: habitual line crosser people that you know, they get exotic

894
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 3: animals like weird snakes and alligators and things like that

895
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 3: that you're not supposed to really even be handling in

896
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: your house, let alone bringing into public places and stuff

897
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 3: like that. So so this guy just had a monkey

898
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 3: with a diaper on and was like, you know what,

899
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,280
Speaker 3: like I'm going to bring this monkey to the Hallween

900
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: store and get it a costume. And now you have

901
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 3: a monkey hanging from the rafters at Spirit Halloween. Like

902
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: that's that's where we're at right now.

903
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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't I don't know how the people

904
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 4: are responding in the store, but I would certainly not

905
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Speaker 4: be comfortable, which is like I know.

906
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Speaker 2: Running around. Yeah, I don't. I don't know.

907
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 4: I think having pet monkeys.

908
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Speaker 1: I think it was like real popular in the eighties,

909
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: right that you guys used to get like catalogs in

910
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 1: the mail where you like order them. I feel like

911
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: a friend of mine said, like in their house in

912
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: South Philly, they I.

913
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Speaker 3: Definitely never got a catalog to order a monkey.

914
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 4: Well, I know somebody that did in their childhood and

915
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 4: they're about your age, so I don't know, definitely interesting.

916
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 4: I don't understand who would want a pet monkey, but

917
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 4: if it's for you, just be careful don't.

918
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Speaker 2: End up in a series.

919
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: So these particular monkeys, there's videos online and they're actually

920
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 3: really insane that they'll be in whatever country that they're

921
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 3: in and they kind of get together and go up

922
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 3: to humans and open their purse and like steal their

923
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 3: wallet and stuff. They're very intelligent, so you have to

924
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 3: think that they're gonna be pissed off because they're they're

925
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 3: not being treated well, right.

926
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Speaker 4: And that's I'm saying, like, what, it's no quality of life? No, Okay,

927
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Speaker 4: let's move on to questions and your emails first. How

928
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Speaker 4: does having an autoimmune disease affect your viability as an

929
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Speaker 4: organ donor?

930
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Speaker 3: I think in general it probably doesn't unless there are

931
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Speaker 3: certain circumstances. I feel like, either if you're if you're

932
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Speaker 3: a living donor, or you're donating organs, or you're even

933
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Speaker 3: doing post mortem organ donation like skin or cornea. I

934
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Speaker 3: think that there's really not that many things that they

935
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: turned down except really like infections sometimes cancers or things

936
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: like that. But they could always use something, and I don't.

937
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: I would say, like, let's say, for example, a person

938
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Speaker 3: has a alcoholicseurosis, or if they have hepatitis and they

939
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: need a liver transplant, when there are livers that bad

940
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 3: that they say you need a liver transplant and you

941
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Speaker 3: can't live without one, Taking a liver from somebody even

942
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: with rheumatar arthritis or any kind of autoimmune disease would

943
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: be better than nothing. The only time I could see

944
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: that that might be a problem is if there's an

945
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Speaker 3: autoimmune hepatitis, just because there could be damage to the liver.

946
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Speaker 3: But even so, I'm not really sure what the criteria are.

947
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: But I really and the same with skin, like you

948
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 3: could have some kind of autoimmune skin conditions, so they

949
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 3: might not want to donate that. But I just I

950
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 3: don't really think that it's an issue, but I could

951
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,959
Speaker 3: be wrong. I'm not one hundred percent sure.

952
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 4: All right too, This from Renee. I love your show.

953
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 4: I never missed an episode. I downloaded twelve hours of

954
00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 4: your older podcast while flying to Europe this summer. Can't

955
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: get enough of you girls in the Crazy Stories. I

956
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 4: really want to know what Nicole has to say about

957
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 4: placenta specimens. Does the hospital sell them? Are they really

958
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 4: worth what people are saying they are fifty K Is

959
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 4: there a special protocol for disposing of them or could

960
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 4: there be a way for a middleman to step in

961
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 4: and bring them to a facility where they can use

962
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Speaker 4: the stem cells. I work in the operating room as

963
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Speaker 4: a surgical tech and know there are products we use

964
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Speaker 4: for hemostasis that involve placenta stem cells. We use them

965
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 4: to help promote healing in wounds, mostly in pedietary and

966
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 4: trauma wounds. I have asked multiple sales reps to explain

967
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 4: where these placenta's stem cells come from, and no one

968
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 4: can give me an explanation. I'm totally planned on taking

969
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 4: mine home from the hospital like Nicole one day. Yeah

970
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 4: you should. It's a good trinket and it's your organ

971
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Speaker 4: and you made it, so you should keep it.

972
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Speaker 2: Listen.

973
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Speaker 3: Honestly, I kind of have similar questions, and I'm going

974
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Speaker 3: to say from my perspective of b both of the

975
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Speaker 3: major jobs that I've had working in surgical pathology and

976
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Speaker 3: even just rotating, I've rotated at almost every local hospital

977
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Speaker 3: around here, been in surgical pathology at some point or

978
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 3: no people that work there. I particularly, I think that

979
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Speaker 3: it happens prior to pathology. I've never seen cases like

980
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,800
Speaker 3: we don't get all of the placentas that are delivered

981
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 3: in pathology. We only get ones that have a problem

982
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 3: because if we got all of them, it would be

983
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Speaker 3: a problem for us big time.

984
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Speaker 2: It's just too many. It would be too much work.

985
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Speaker 2: So we get them.

986
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Speaker 3: If the mom had an infection, if there was something

987
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 3: wrong with the fetus, if it was a multiple berth,

988
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 3: if there was the mom was on drugs, like there's

989
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,919
Speaker 3: all this this list of reasons that we would get

990
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 3: a placentate, but all of the standard normal births. Most

991
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,880
Speaker 3: pathology labs don't see any of them. So I have

992
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: no idea what happened with those placentas. That would be

993
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 3: something you want to or if one of our listeners

994
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: listens that works on an ob floor, like what happens

995
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 3: with them?

996
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: When we get it?

997
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 3: We put it in formaldehyde, so that I believe would

998
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: just like not the specimen would no longer even be

999
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: eligible for that because we're we're you know, formaldehyde is

1000
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: killing everything in it, So we do it, especially if

1001
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 3: a person had any kind of infection like HIV infection

1002
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 3: anything like that. Like we put it in formaldehyde or

1003
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: formal in, which is like a water down formaldehyde, just

1004
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 3: to just so it's not infectious for us because we're

1005
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 3: cutting it and it's a super bloody specimen. But then

1006
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 3: you wouldn't take cord blood from that. So I don't

1007
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 3: know if they take the chords before they send them

1008
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 3: to us or anything. But once we're done with them,

1009
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 3: we make microscopic slides with them. The pathologist looks at it,

1010
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 3: if they're satisfied, we keep it for you know, like

1011
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: a month, and then we throw it. We incinerate it

1012
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 3: with the medical waste. So from my perspective, I've never

1013
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 3: seen that happening. So I really don't I really don't know.

1014
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 3: But I've heard about all of these cord studies and

1015
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 3: this and that, and I'm just like, well, where are

1016
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: you getting it from, because it's certainly not coming from

1017
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 3: the pathology department in most cases.

1018
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 4: Interest all right, this last one's from Tara, Hi, Nicole,

1019
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 4: and Maria. I listened to you at work and it's

1020
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 4: always the highlight of my day. Thank you.

1021
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: That's very nice.

1022
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 4: I wanted to comment on your road clean up question.

1023
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: My parents live in California, and their neighbor had a

1024
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 4: psychotic episode and stabbed his mother before walking down the

1025
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 4: street shooting an assault rifle. He tried to shoot my dad,

1026
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Speaker 4: but fortunately the gun jammed. My parents live on a

1027
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 4: street that ends on a main boulevard. The man that

1028
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 4: went up on the boulevard and started shooting at cars

1029
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 4: at that time, the police were there and shot him

1030
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:01,000
Speaker 4: in the middle of the street. His pool of blood

1031
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: was left in the street, along with various medical supplies

1032
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 4: such as gauze and god knows what else. He ended

1033
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 4: up dying of the gunshot. Nobody ever cleaned his blood up.

1034
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: It slowly faded from the sun and the rain. I

1035
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 4: guess this doesn't answer your question, but maybe they just

1036
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 4: leave it. Can you imagine? No, I can't. Actually, that

1037
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 4: to me doesn't sound typical. But I don't know if

1038
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:27,319
Speaker 4: you're in a more suburban area. I just know that,

1039
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 4: like I said before, my husband's been called to clean

1040
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 4: blood off.

1041
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 3: But that's in a city, so it might be. I

1042
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 3: just think it's it's a blood borne pathogen. It just

1043
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 3: shouldn't be sitting out there for kids to run through

1044
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 3: with by accident with their bike or and and just

1045
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 3: from a litter perspective of loan, like having a pile

1046
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 3: of gloves and gauze and clean up. There is weird

1047
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 3: that anybody even left that. But it could just be

1048
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: like they called and said, hey, come clean this up

1049
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: and it all through the cracks and someone didn't do it,

1050
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 3: because I would think that that is something that should

1051
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: not be there.

1052
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,400
Speaker 4: Cops can't just have like a little power water in

1053
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 4: their car to like their job. Like I know, I'm

1054
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 4: just saying like somebody can't clumb through because like sometimes

1055
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 4: I see blood on the street, but mentally, I'm just

1056
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 4: like it has to be from a deer. I can't

1057
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 4: accept that it would be anything else. But you know,

1058
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 4: there was just that bad accident near us last week,

1059
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 4: you know where that person got killed on thirty eight

1060
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 4: and oh yeah, imagine knowing that a person got killed

1061
00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 4: and then driving by that spot and seeing a giant

1062
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 4: bloodstain every day until it raindo went away.

1063
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Speaker 3: I feel like it's probably the same crew they call

1064
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 3: when there's animals on the road because they because they

1065
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 3: have all the equipment to pick up the I mean

1066
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 3: like in that case that she's talking about, they're not

1067
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 3: going to leave pieces of the human there because that

1068
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 3: would go to the medical examiner's office. But the same thing,

1069
00:54:55,840 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 3: like let's say, for example, a person got hit by

1070
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:05,959
Speaker 3: an e bike right so hard that like their leg

1071
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 3: flew off. The medical examiner is gonna take the dead

1072
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 3: body and they're gonna go and pick up the leg

1073
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 3: and put the leg in a body bag too, and

1074
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 3: bring it all together to keep the body there. But

1075
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 3: it's not the medical examiner's job to clean up the

1076
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 3: blood off the sidewalk, so somebody like and.

1077
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Speaker 4: Those aren't always perfect because you know, we have stories

1078
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: where people get by trains and like a child will

1079
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 4: come across their like nose in a field or something

1080
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 4: next to me.

1081
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's but that's just because they didn't find it.

1082
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: Like I said, like people go and clean it up.

1083
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 3: But I mean, when you're getting hit by a train

1084
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 3: that's going super fast that you're in the force of

1085
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 3: it blows your body up, like a piece can fly

1086
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 3: one hundred feet away, you know, like and they just

1087
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 3: might not find it in the media area, which is

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Speaker 3: what happened in that case.

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Speaker 4: Well, sorry that happened to you, thankfully the gun jam.

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Speaker 4: I know that's scary for your dad, jeez, I know

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Speaker 4: it's horrible. Well, guys, if you have wild stories for

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Speaker 2: Say you guys, have.

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Speaker 3: A good weekend. Thank you for listening to Mother Nos Death.

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Speaker 3: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologist's assistant.

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Speaker 3: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy

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Speaker 3: and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I

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Speaker 3: have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without

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Speaker 3: the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website,

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Speaker 3: people based on my experience working in pathology, so they

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Speaker 3: can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being.

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Speaker 3: Always remember that science is changing every day and the

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Speaker 3: opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge

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Speaker 3: of those subjects at the time of publication. If you

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Speaker 2: Thanks