1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Police go on the hunt 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: for the person that guns down a gorgeous pediatric dentist 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: as she parks in the garage of her luxury Dallas 4 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: apartment building. But who would want to kill a lady 5 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: pediatric dentist? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. One female is 6 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: possibly shot in the nat Authority said the thirty five 7 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: year old dentist was gunned down Wednesday night, shortly after 8 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: pulling into the parking garage of her apartment building. Detectives 9 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: released surveillance images of a vehicle of interest, an older 10 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: modeled Jeep Cherokee with feated paint. They say that car 11 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: slipped past the security gate when the driver followed another 12 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: car through just before Hatcher arrived home. The individual appears 13 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 1: to walk in her direction. We witnesses subscribe, hearing the gunshot, 14 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: and the individual gets back in the car. MMMM, that's 15 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: not right, as if any murder is right. But I 16 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 1: don't hear about a rape. I don't hear about trying 17 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: to carjack her vehicle. I don't hear anything about stealing 18 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: her pocketbook or her jewelry. She's described as glamorous. Glamorous 19 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: that means to me, she's probably dripping in beautiful jewelry. 20 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: So why with someone pull into the garage? They snuck in? 21 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: By the way, did you hear that you were listening 22 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 1: to our friend Carrie Sanders at NBC snuck in? I've 23 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: done it myself. When one car goes under the gate 24 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: as it lifts, you just scoot in behind them. So 25 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 1: who is this person that scoots in walks up to 26 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: this quote? Glamorous pediatric dentist, guns are down and leaves. 27 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: Not a rape, not a robbery, not a carjack Again, 28 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: I mean, I see, Grace, this is crime story. Thanks 29 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: for being with us as we try to make sense 30 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: of all of this and with me and all Star panel, 31 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: and boy do I mean it? James Shelna twenty seven 32 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 1: years Smetro major Case now lawyer with his own firm, 33 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: Shelna Law Firm dot Com Catch this and Arkansas, Louisiana, Texas, Oklahoma, Georgia. Man, 34 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: You're taking over the world. 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Cheryl McCullum, founder director of the Coldcase 44 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: Research Institute. You can find her at Coldcase Crimes dot org. 45 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: She's a forensics expert. But first to Alexis Treschuck, crime 46 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: online dot com investigative reporter, also would lead Stories dot com. 47 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: Alexis Terrestchuck right there. Not to say that a murder 48 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: in itself isn't wrong, but something is way way wrong. 49 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: Talking about this beautiful woman and she is. I'm telling 50 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 1: you this one doesn't need it. I'm looking at her 51 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: right now. Any plastic surgery. She doesn't need a makeup 52 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: and hair artist. She is a natural beauty, long raven locks, beautiful, 53 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: they look like big blue eyes and of course a 54 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: perfect smile. And I'm looking at her. She's wearing double 55 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: diamond ear rings right there, Alexis right there. This is 56 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: not a theft. That's the first thing you would do 57 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: is snatched those ear rings out of her ears. They're huge, 58 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: they're tasteful, they're studs. But what gives tell me about 59 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: the shooting? Alexis? So she you just were talking about. However, 60 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,679 Speaker 1: too is. She also was the captain of her cheerleading 61 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: spot in high school. She writs in sports she was 62 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: the most popular girl in school. Because this is a 63 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: good way Alexis. She looks like a Barbie doll. She 64 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: looks like the brunette Barbie doll she does. She's beautiful, 65 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 1: so she pulls into her She is a dentist. She's 66 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: a pediatric dentist, and she pulls into her. Dallas apartment 67 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: is a very, very high Alexis very Alexis. Everybody on 68 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: crime stories. It's like one big family sitting at the 69 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: table eating and everybody butts in on each other. Please, 70 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 1: everybody jump in when a thought comes to you, except 71 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 1: for you, sheer Ima call them no, seriously, do because 72 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: that is the way cases are developed, brainstorming, bouncing off 73 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: everybody else's idea. You know Alexis's. I can look at her, 74 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: but here's insight into her personality. You've got to have 75 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: a certain temperament to be a pediatric dentist, to deal 76 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: with little children that may buy you and keeping them 77 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: calm and happy daring a dental procedure. I mean, you've 78 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: got to have a lot of patience. And she had 79 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: a thriving practice, so she clearly had a good way 80 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: with children, even though I don't think she had any children. 81 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: Back to you, Alex, I was just saying, she seems 82 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: to be beautiful on the inside and the outside. Yep. 83 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: So she pulled into her Dallas parment, gated gated apartment, 84 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: you know where she could park. She pulls in another car. 85 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 1: Fancy ride, weren't they exclusive gated apartments. Was at a 86 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 1: high rise. I believe it was medium size, not one 87 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: level but not but not like a condo complex. It 88 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: was all spread out with walt ways and paths and 89 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: playgrounds and all that. Yeah, it's like one building with 90 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 1: the parking day. And see, I find that very significant 91 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: because to get in there you had to use a 92 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: key card, and whoever did this did not have a 93 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: key card or did not want to be traced through 94 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: their key card. They snuck in there. And here's the thing, though, 95 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 1: she gets out of her card. Just like a normal night. 96 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: You park and you're building, you feel secure because the 97 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: gate is locked. You know that there's security. She is 98 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: shot in the back of the head, no defense anything. 99 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: She wasn't running away. She didn't even see this person 100 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: come up and shoot her point blank in the back 101 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 1: of the head, executed in her parking lot. Mm hmmm. 102 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: Police on the hunt for a mystery gunman who shoots 103 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 1: a pediatric Dennis dead as she is. Did steal her purse? Nancy? 104 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: Oh he did? Did take the purse? Yeah? Well, yes, 105 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: the shooter did steal her purse. She had a coach purse, 106 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: fancy purse, and that was stolen from a scene. But 107 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: you're right, her earrings weren't stolen. None of the jewelry 108 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: she was wearing. She had just picked up a camera 109 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: from a friend and a cool underwater camera because she 110 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: was going on her trip. But her purse was stolen. 111 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: I'm curious or any of her credit cards or ATM 112 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: ever used. Yeah, okay, that goes to my theory right there. 113 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: My initial theory when I first heard the fact Sean 114 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: McCollum didn't use ATM, didn't use any of the credit cards, 115 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: No gas cards, No, nothing, nothing was used, So why 116 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: take the purse again? Nancy, you're dead on it. I 117 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: think you look at this woman and she's well, we 118 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: would consider a low level risk for being a victim 119 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: of gun violence. She's not a prostitute, she's not a 120 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: drug addict, she's not a thief. She's not a criminal 121 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: in any way. She doesn't hang out with criminals all 122 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: day long. Her profession. She hangs out with little children. 123 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: She's got a loving boyfriend, she's got a solid family foundation. 124 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: She goes to and from work, that's all she does. 125 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: So this person the fact that they took the purse 126 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: but then didn't use anything from it, and if they 127 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: were a stranger to her, they wouldn't even have known 128 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: she had a coach purse, so it couldn't be for 129 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: the purse. So you start looking at those three things, 130 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 1: and you and I used to go through these all 131 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: the time. You know, I'm looking to get another picture 132 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 1: Cheryl on her Facebook and shows her in a bikini. 133 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 1: Of course, she's got a great figure to boot and 134 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: she's apparently a yogi she's out doing on the beach 135 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: these complicated yoga positions, and to top it all, off, 136 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: she can actually hold the position long enough to get 137 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: a photo. I mean, this woman is the total package 138 00:09:05,679 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: for Pete say, oh, she's pretty flawless. But again, you 139 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: got to look at who who in the world want 140 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: to hurt this woman and who would benefit And that's 141 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: where law enforce. They've got to get up and go 142 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: to work. Now, the reason I'm saying, I think it 143 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: was a high rise. And to me this is significant 144 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: because you have to establish not only a timeline, but 145 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: you have to look at the area, the area where 146 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: this happened. And I see pictures of her posing with 147 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: a city escape behind her, and it looks like she's 148 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: on at least the eighth or ninth floor based on 149 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 1: the buildings I see behind her one two, three, four 150 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: or five, six, seven, eight, nine ten. So to me, 151 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: it's a high rise that has exclusive entrance and exits. 152 00:09:53,360 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: You can't just walk in prime stories with Nancy Grace. 153 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: They murder of a gorgeous young pediatric denist. I wish 154 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: you could see your picture right now with a big, 155 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: beautiful smile. The hunt is on for the killer. Take 156 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at NBC, because investigators in 157 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: Dallas work to find the killer of thirty five year 158 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: old pediatric dentist Kendra Hatcher. Police and family, see, they 159 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 1: believe there is more to it than just a random robbery. 160 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: I don't believe this was a robbery. Robbers don't walk 161 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: up and shoot somebody first and then grab their stuff. 162 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: M Now, see that's a point right there, straight out 163 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:53,479 Speaker 1: to you, James Shellnutt Metro major case detective and SWAT 164 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: officer twenty seven years now, lawyer, that's a good point. 165 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: They shoot her, then they take her pocketbook, Then they 166 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: never use the ATM or any of the credit cards. 167 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: Oh agree, one hundred percent, Nancy, You hit on an 168 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: imported point. Also, you know she's she's supposedly adorned. With 169 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: all this jury, they don't take the easy pickings either. 170 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: All this reeks of a setup. It reeks of being 171 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: a staged defense. Staged stage And why is it significant 172 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: that they grabbed the pocketbook the purse after they shoot her, 173 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I think again, it goes to they want 174 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: law enforcement to think it was a robbery. If law 175 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 1: enforcement thinks that, then they are going to believe that 176 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: almost anybody can be a suspect. If you start looking 177 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: at there's three things nancy, money, sex, and revenge. That's 178 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: why people get killed ninety percent of the time. If 179 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: she wasn't sexually salted, take that away. It wasn't a robbery. 180 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: You can take that away. Law enforcement is only left 181 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: with revenge. And again, who would want to hurt this 182 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: pediatric dentist? You know, I find so many of the 183 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: facts intrigue to doctor Tim Gallagher, a medical examiner for 184 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: the State of Florida, pathcaremed dot com lecturer, University Florida, 185 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: Forensic Medicine. Doctor Tim Gallagher. She shot point blank in 186 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: the back of the head. How do you tell that 187 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: a wound, a gunshot wound is point blank when you 188 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: look at the body, Well, there are certain clues that 189 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: the gun would leave behind to show you how close 190 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: the gun was to the body when it was discharged. 191 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: Not only does the bullet come out of the gun, 192 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: but also a gunpowder, soot, smoke, and a flame also 193 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: comes out of the muzzle of the gun. And if 194 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: that's close enough to the back of the head, all 195 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: of that material would be deposited on the back of 196 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: the head, in the hair, in the neck area. And 197 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: then we can determine by the pattern that this material 198 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: leaves how close or buzz to the body when it 199 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: was discharged. A stipling occurs when the unburnt gunpowder, which 200 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: is white hot, it's flaming white hot, comes out of 201 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: the gun and lands on the skin and it actually 202 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: burns into the skin. And if the gun was one 203 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: foot two ft three feet away from the body, that 204 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: a piece of gunpowder burning into the skin, or stipling 205 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: as you call it, would occur. If the gun is 206 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: further away, then the particle would cool down before it 207 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: reaches the body and simply bounce off and not leave 208 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: a stipling print. So if there's stipling there, it means 209 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: that the gun was very very close to the body, 210 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: and in this case, that is probably why they determined 211 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: it was a point blank or very close gunshot wound 212 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: to the back of the head, possibly execution style. And 213 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: that's why we call it contact contact wound, because the 214 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: barrel of the gun is making contact with the skin 215 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: and you have to be either a has to either 216 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: be a contact loan or just inches from the skin 217 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: for there to be stipling. In other words, the human 218 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: skin is actually burned by the heat of the gunpowder 219 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: coming out of the barrel of the gun, be it 220 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: a long gun or a revolver. That's what we mean 221 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: by point blank or contact wound. Point blank can be 222 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: contact or a foot away at point blank range. Contact 223 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: wound means you're making contact with the victim's skin. So right, 224 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: the muzzle of a gun, the muzzle of a gun 225 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: is pressed against the victen skin when it is a discharge, 226 00:14:55,000 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: that's contact gunshot wound. Now police immediately go on the offense. 227 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: They increase patrols in this ritzy area and remind everybody 228 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: to be vigilant about their surroundings, reporting anything suspicious to 229 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: nine one one. But back to you, Alexas Terrestia at 230 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: crime online dot com. This is an area where there's 231 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: not a lot to be vigilant about, this very low 232 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: crime rate. Only you know, you got to have a 233 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 1: lot of money to live in this upscale building. Correct, yes, 234 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: you do, you do. But because the building is so 235 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: high end, it has security cameras, and so there was 236 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: a security camera in the garage. It did not catch 237 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: the murder, but it did catch a getaway car. Guys, 238 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: when you see a case, it's not a Cheryl McCollum 239 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: correctly pointed out, it's not about a sex assault, it's 240 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: not about a robbery. What is it about? You always 241 00:15:55,040 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: start with those closest to the victim. You start in 242 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: their family, and typically you're not talking about their children. 243 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: You're talking about a husband, a boy friend, and x 244 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: a fiancee. So who is she involved with? Take a 245 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: listen to our friend, Rebecca Lomas WFAA TV. Doctor Hatcher 246 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: was a pediatric dennis who had fallen in love with 247 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: another doctor, dermatologist, doctor Ricardo Pinyagua. They dated for about 248 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: six months and things progressed quite rapidly with Kendra. We 249 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: started a wedding fund, started a wedding fund after just 250 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: six months. And now that we're talking about it, I'm 251 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: looking at this photo of her and this guy, doctor 252 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: Ricky Pinagua, has his arm around her. He also has 253 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: perfect teeth on my ad. They're outside, no, they're inside, 254 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: but they're obviously at her place. It's a high as 255 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: you see those same buildings behind them. They're inside, like 256 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: on a sofa, and she's wearing a sweatshirt that says 257 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm with dreamy, doctor McDreamy. I'm talking about doctor Ricardo 258 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 1: Ricky Paniagua, and some people may call him handsome and 259 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: a kind of a dark good looking way, perfect teeth, 260 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: the chin, the look, and a lot of these. He's 261 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: in almost all of the pictures that we have of her. 262 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: There they are riding a tandem bicycle. There they are 263 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: on a day. I think that's them together at the beach. 264 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: They're kissing by a lake and taking goofy selfies together. 265 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: It looks like it's picture perfect, straight out to doctor 266 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: Jen Mann, couples therapy host, family therapy host VH one, 267 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: the Doctor Jin Show on series sexm and author of 268 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 1: the Relationship Fixed. It looks great on the outside, doesn't it. 269 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 1: But so often that's just not true, Doctor Jen absolutely a. 270 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: You know, you see these two people who are gorgeous, 271 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: They are well educated, they are successful, they appear to 272 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: have it all. But clearly something was awry that this crime, 273 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: as Cheryl pointed out, appears to be very personal, and 274 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: like you said, the first place we look is what 275 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: about the boyfriend? What about the husband? I gotta ask 276 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: you something, doctor jen Man, and I was asking it 277 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: to my husband just today. We're talking about seemingly the 278 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: perfect couple. You've got a pediatric dentist, gorgeous, stunning. You've 279 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: got her boyfriend. They started a wedding fund the doctor, 280 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: doctor Ricky Piniagua. So you've got the doctor, the dentist, 281 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: and the killer. I was talking to my husband just 282 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: this morning, doctor Jean about why can't people be happy? 283 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: You see millionaires with the beautiful home, the beautiful family, 284 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: the everything, and their quote, just not happy. What what's 285 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: there not to be happy about? Now? No offense to 286 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: Bill Gates. Okay, mull one of the richest people on 287 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: the planet, but he allegedly told people he had a 288 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: loveless marriage and they just quote, just wasn't happy. You 289 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: know what my advice, work on it. Suck it up, 290 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: little sister, get in there, go to doctor jen Man, 291 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: work on it's there not to be happy about. You know, 292 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: I see people pushing their grocery carts along full of 293 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: all their worldly belongings, and then you have people that 294 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: quote just aren't happy. I don't get it. How can 295 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: you be this perfect looking and not be happy? I 296 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: don't do you meet people like that, doctor jen Do 297 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 1: you just want to Well? No, I mean, look, I'm 298 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:08,159 Speaker 1: a therapist. This is what I do. Okay, just compassion 299 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: and look. I also think that life is very complicated 300 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: and people have very coppelicate Do we make it complicated? 301 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,520 Speaker 1: Sometimes we do, and sometimes our circumstances make it complicated. 302 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: I call it the myths of the perfect life. When 303 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: we see a couple like this, we look, we look 304 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: at them, and we say, they have it all. What's 305 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: not to be happy about it? You know? I remember 306 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: one time in my practice, I had a client in 307 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: my office who was pining about this celebrity. Oh, she 308 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: has the perfect life and everything is perfect in our 309 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: hair is perfect, in our body is perfect, and you know, 310 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: her relationship is perfectly and unbeknownst to her, that person 311 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: was a client of mine coming in three hours later 312 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: crying about her terrible boyfriend who had cheated on her, 313 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 1: about her depression, about her family, about her own self image. 314 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: So what it really speaks to is, no matter how 315 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: perfect things look on paper and Instagram, that a lot 316 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: of the time what goes on behind closed doors is 317 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 1: very different. And one thing that we know about this 318 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 1: guy from what he said is that six months in 319 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: they've started a wedding. Fun What that tells me is 320 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: this is a really intense person. This is someone who 321 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: loves hard, who leaves hard, who a lot of the 322 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: time people get very attached to someone like that, and 323 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: they get attached very quickly. And that's interesting information crime 324 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, you know, Cheryl McCallum, you and 325 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: I was saying murder cases and every walk of life. 326 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 1: And I started off most of my first prosecutions were 327 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 1: not rich people that had it all. But it didn't 328 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: take long for me to work my way out of 329 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 1: inner city Atlanta and start prosecuting cases of all the 330 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: rich people up in North Atlanta and the gated communities 331 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: and the mansions and the rolling laws and true or 332 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: words were never spoken what doctor Jen just said. But 333 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: you know, as you know, I look around at my 334 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: life and it ain't perfect, but it's perfect for me. 335 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: And when I look at this scenario with this woman 336 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: and this guy, a doctor and a dentist and a 337 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: wedding fund, it's just shocking how everything can suddenly go wrong. 338 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: You know. I think having the ability to be grateful 339 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: is a gift I do, and I think that is 340 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: part of being happy, whether you're in a mansion or 341 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: in a shack by a swamp, if you're with people 342 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: that love you and that you love you are to 343 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: me in a gift in a world of you know love. 344 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't ask for nothing else to me. 345 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: And you and I have certainly worked, you know, murders 346 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: than what people would consider the cut. And we've worked 347 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: murders on tux Seed to drive and they have a 348 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,639 Speaker 1: lot in common. That's right by the Governor's house and 349 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: apparently that is the street to live on if you're 350 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: in Atlanta. I guess I wouldn't know about living over 351 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: on tuck Seedo. But back to this case, guys. So 352 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: cops are on the search for a man that murders 353 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 1: this pediatric Dennis seemingly in cold blood, trying to figure 354 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:52,120 Speaker 1: out who, what, where, when and why. Then police get 355 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: a break in the case. Take a listen to our 356 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: friend Carrie Sanders at NBC. Police got a break in 357 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: the case when the owner of this jeep seen on 358 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: security camera video when the garage where Hatcher was killed, 359 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: told police she loaned the card to a friend. That friend, 360 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: twenty three year old Crystal Cortez, a dental assistant, admitted 361 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: that's her driving away from the scene. Cortes is now 362 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: charged with capital murder. She told police she conspired with 363 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: an unnamed individual for five hundred dollars to drive an 364 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: unknown male suspect to rob Hatcher. The suspect's brother says 365 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: authorities came in the middle of the night and took 366 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 1: Cortes's son away. I really broke down into this because 367 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: me knowing my sisters, she's not capable of or something 368 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: like that. Oh man, you would just be surprisedn't you 369 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: what people are capable of. So let me understand unless 370 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: the's terrest shot Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. Police 371 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 1: get a break because the jeep is spotted on video. 372 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: Can't make out who the sheeter is. Don't know who 373 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 1: the sheeter is, but they can see this cheap r 374 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: key flying out of there like a bat out of hell. 375 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: Now you know what's interesting, alexis tresh check and we 376 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: see this in other cases. Just for instance, Molly Tibbets 377 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: the Iowa co ed that goes jogging and there's ends 378 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 1: up dead, she goes missing. Can't solve it, can't solve it. 379 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: Then neighborhood video shows her jogging by, and then they 380 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: see a black Chevy Malibu going back, then reverse, then back, 381 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: then reverse and it has quote unusual markings on it. 382 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: Another case, the people's court Mom remember her. She drops 383 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: her children off to be taken care of while she works. 384 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: As she leaves, then her hummer is found and a 385 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: sea of cars across the street from a big mall, 386 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: but her business. Stickers that cover the back of a 387 00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:01,120 Speaker 1: hummer advertising her tanning business have all been carefully matched off. 388 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: Alterations on a vehicle make that vehicle one of a kind, 389 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 1: whether it's a scrape down the side, or stickers on 390 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: the back or stickers removed, it makes that vehicle the 391 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: only one like it. Very quickly, the owner of the 392 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: Chevy of the jeep comes forward, right he does. He 393 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 1: sees the car on the news and he comes. He 394 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: realizes that he this is his car. So he comes 395 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: to the police and he tells them. He says, I 396 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: a friend of mine, somebody that I know, borrows this 397 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: car the day of that Kendra was shot, and I'm 398 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,360 Speaker 1: going to tell you who it is. And so he 399 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: goes to the police. They release it. He sees it 400 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: and he struggled with this. He talked to his family. 401 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 1: The owner of the car, he talked to his family. 402 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: He said I don't know what to do. I can't 403 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: imagine that the friend of mine that I know that 404 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: borrow the car had anything to do with this. This 405 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: seems so crazy to me. You know. Maybe I just 406 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to get them in trouble. And his 407 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: family said, you have to do the right thing, and 408 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: so he did. He went to the police and he 409 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: told them that he had the car in the video. 410 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 1: So this woman, Crystal Cortez, no connection whatsoever to Kendra Hatcher, 411 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:21,959 Speaker 1: the dead pediatric dentist, says she had the car. She 412 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: borrows the carboyf it had just been stolen after that, 413 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: but no, she returned the car, but she had the 414 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: car at the time of the shooting. She says she 415 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 1: conspired with an unnamed individual for five hundred dollars just 416 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: to drive a guy to where Hatcher was is all 417 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: she had to do. Take a listen to our friends, 418 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: Carrie Sanders at NBC. The person under arrest a twenty 419 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: two year old woman named Crystal Cortez. She's charged with 420 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: capital murder and is being held on two hundred and 421 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: fifty thousand dollars bond. Already says she admitted involvement in 422 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 1: the crime claiming she was paid five hundred dollars and 423 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: drove a men to the scene who then shot and 424 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: killed Hatcher. But still, what's the motive? You know? To you, 425 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, there's nothing like a little capital murder charge 426 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 1: to make you blurt out what happened. And here she's 427 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: saying she got paid five hundred dollars just to give 428 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: this guy a ride to where Hatcher was the murder victim. Listen, 429 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars to give somebody a ride. You got 430 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: to know something is way wrong with that, right, you 431 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: know it's way wrong. And Nancy, you and I have 432 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: known people that got murdered for a whole lot lift 433 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: and five hundred dollars. But there's no question she knew 434 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: what was seeking to go down. Oh yeah, she had 435 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: to know what was going down. Guys, the police are 436 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to making some sense of the murder, 437 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: the brutal murder seemingly for hire, of this young pediatric Dennis. 438 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: Now take a listen to this. This is Dallas Police 439 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: Major Max Garon. Detectives have been working around the clock, 440 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: executing search warrants and interviewing individuals in connection with the offense. 441 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: Tonight we announced the arrest of Christopher Love, Blackmail day 442 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: of birth, three twenty three, nineteen eighty four. He is 443 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: the person we have identified as having shot doctor Hatcher. 444 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: He has been charged with capital murder and a federal 445 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: charge of unlawful possession of a firearm by a felon. 446 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: He is currently in the Dallas County Jail on two 447 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 1: point five million dollars bond. When mister Lowell, excuse me, 448 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: when mister Love was arrested, he was found in possession 449 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: of the weapon believed to have been used to kill 450 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: doctor Hatcher. Additionally, we have secured a warrant for the 451 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: arrest of Brenda Delgado Latin female, eighteen of nineteen eighty two, 452 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: also for the charge of capital murder for her involvement 453 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: in the offense. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. Now we 454 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,719 Speaker 1: find out the trigger man is a guy that also 455 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: has no connection whatsoever to the murder victim, and we 456 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: hear for the first time the name Brenda Delgado. Brenda Delgado, 457 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: listen to our friend Chris gata as NBC five. On Friday, 458 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: Dallas Police announced Love was their prime suspect in the 459 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: murder of Dallas dentist Kindra Hatcher. They believe he was 460 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: the trigger man in this elaborate murder for higher case. 461 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: Police believe Brenda Delgado hired Love to kill Hatcher. But 462 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: for the first time, we're hearing about another unnamed man 463 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: involved in the plot. The FBI affidavit says Delgado was 464 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: over her asking that man if he would find someone 465 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: to carry out the crime. That's when the FBI believes 466 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,520 Speaker 1: Love got involved. Cortes told police Love hid in the 467 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: backseat of the jeep seen in these surveillance photos so 468 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:17,000 Speaker 1: he wouldn't be seen on the cameras they waited for Hatcher, 469 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 1: and Cortes says Love got out of the car, fired 470 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 1: one shot, and came back to the jeep with two 471 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: purses in his hand. Okay, now you got the FBI involved. 472 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: That means one thing, murder for hire is suspected. But 473 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: I still don't have the answer. Who's Brenda Delgado? Take 474 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at crime Online. Friends describe 475 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: dermatologist doctor Ricardo Ricky panti Aqua as quiet and thoughtful. 476 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: Patients say he has a wonderful bedside manner. Brenda Delgado, likewise, 477 00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: has friends who speak of her in glowing terms. The 478 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: thirty one year old dental hygiene student was petite, pretty 479 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: and personable, always easy to talk to. So it's really 480 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,160 Speaker 1: no wonder that when the who met through a dating app, 481 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: they hit it off. They were living together in Pontiagwa's 482 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: apartment just three months after their first date. Things stayed 483 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 1: that way for two and a half years. Pontiagua had 484 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: even given Delgado a promise ring, but that promise did 485 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: not ring true. Pontiagua tells his girlfriend that it's time 486 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: for him to move on a promise ring. You've got 487 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: a medical doctor, Rick Paniagua. He's living with a dental hygienist, 488 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 1: Brenda Delgado, and he gives her a promise ring after 489 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: two what was it two and a half years, doctor 490 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: gen Man, don't you give promise rings in like the 491 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 1: seventh grade? Well, I think a lot of the type 492 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: people give promise rings when they feel like they're moving 493 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: in a certain direction, but they're not really ready to 494 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: cross that dentish line. And I think that it's made 495 00:32:55,080 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: a situation where he wanted to git a minute, wait 496 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: a minute, do we have this right? Alexas terrestrack. Was 497 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: it a promise ring? Just yes? No? Yes, okay, shell 498 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: Nut twenty seven years match a major k swat, now lawyer, 499 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: what if you got down on your knees and gave 500 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 1: your now wife, the mother of your five children, a 501 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: promise ring? Yeah? We like twelve years old. I agree 502 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: with you, every nut. That's what kids do. And so 503 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: I will tell you this. That would have been the 504 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: last ring that my wife would have ever received from me, 505 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: because she did never talk to me again after that. 506 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: Shery McColl a promise ring? Why didn't he have to 507 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: ask her to move out? You give me a promise 508 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: ring after I've shacked up with you nearly three years? 509 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: I know, well, I'm gonna play devil's advocate. Oh lord, 510 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: she's crazy. And he gave her the promise ring because 511 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: he couldn't give her an engagement ring because he didn't 512 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: want to be tied to her in that way. But 513 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: he had to string her a long long enough to 514 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: figure out how the hell to get out of this relationship. 515 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: That's what I think appen. So after he unceremoniously tells 516 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: her to pack up and leave, he sends her an 517 00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: email telling her he's in a new relationship and very happy. Well, 518 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: that's just pouring gas on the fire. Delgado is not happy. 519 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: She begins stalking Paniagua, reading his text and emails, has 520 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: his iCloud passwords, set up an app that allows her 521 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,040 Speaker 1: to track the location of his cell phone. She had 522 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: a key to his apartment. She began tailing him all 523 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: around Dallas with the plan of getting her boyfriend back. 524 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: Listen to this. Hatcher and Paniagua make plans to fly 525 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: to Cancoon for a long weekend, but someone walks up 526 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: to Hatcher in a parking garage and fires a bullet 527 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: into the back of her head. That night, Paniagua texts 528 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: Delgado letting her know what happened. The next morning, Delgado 529 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: texts him back, offering to bring over groceries or anything 530 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: else he needs. Yeah, I can imagine what she wanted 531 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 1: to bring over. The next morning, so the boyfriend, doctor 532 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: Paniagua causes X Brendan Delgado and says, my fiance has 533 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 1: been murdered, and she offers to come comfort him the 534 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 1: following morning. Okay, Cheryl McCollum, how is it that you 535 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 1: could track through an app anybody's cell phone. Appears that 536 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: Delgado shared a plan with her former boyfriend, so when 537 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: they broke up, she stayed on his cell phone plan 538 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: and she was able to use to Find Me app 539 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: because they were connected phone to phone. So she started 540 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,120 Speaker 1: by tracking his movements, found out where the victim lived, 541 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: Doctor Hatcher, and then started following her. It would appear 542 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: what kind of a sick thrill do you get out 543 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: of that following your ex's new girlfriend, doctor Jim. Well, 544 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,759 Speaker 1: what that tells us is that this is someone who 545 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: was extremely obsessive, who is really crossed that line from 546 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: you know, we've all been obsessive about an X or 547 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: spake for yourselves. I don't think we've all been obsessive, 548 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: But this across the line where she's now become a stalker, 549 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: and that tells us that this is someone who is 550 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,439 Speaker 1: deeply pathological, which kind of brings us back, by the way, 551 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 1: to that promise ring. I think on some level in 552 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: his gut, he was not giving her an engagement ring 553 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 1: because he knew something was wrong with this woman. Well, 554 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe even Sharon McCollum are right. Take 555 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,879 Speaker 1: listen to our cut nine. This is David Goins at 556 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,839 Speaker 1: WFAA TV. Prosecutors say Brenda Delgado was upset her ex 557 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: boyfriend had moved on, so she plotted to kill his 558 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: new girlfriend. Surveillance video from September twenty fifteen showed Christopher 559 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: Love walking in the parking garage of Hatcher's Uptown high rise. 560 00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,359 Speaker 1: Seconds later, the pediatric dentist was shot in the head. 561 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 1: A Dallas County jury gave Love, the hired hit man, 562 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: the death penalty, in large part because of testimony from 563 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,719 Speaker 1: the getaway driver, Crystal Cortes, who told yours last fault, 564 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:11,200 Speaker 1: Brenda Delgado hired her Polly two weeks after I met Brenda, 565 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: we started planning this murder. Instead of the death penalty, 566 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,439 Speaker 1: Cortes got thirty five years for her testimony against Love. 567 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: She will testify against Delgado this week. Prosecutors will show 568 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: surveillance video of Delgado and Cortes meeting shortly after the 569 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 1: murder and this photo the five hundred dollars Cortes says 570 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: Delgado paid her to plan Hatcher's murder. The scorned lover, 571 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 1: the dumped girlfriend who masterminded the assassination of her ex 572 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: the doctor's new dentist lover, Kendra Hatcher, goes to trial. 573 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: So what happens at trial with Delgado alloxis terrest Chuck. 574 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,920 Speaker 1: I want to point out one tame before we talk 575 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: about the trial. One of the things that Brenda has 576 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: said about their relationship when she was with Ricky is 577 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,839 Speaker 1: they were so she actually got pregnant and Ricky asked her, 578 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: He said, I want to have kids with you eventually, 579 00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: but I want you to have an abortion now, and 580 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,280 Speaker 1: she did that. I'm not a doctor, I'm not a shrink, 581 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,960 Speaker 1: but I think that was something that Wade beery heavily 582 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: on her when she saw that he had moved on 583 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: with someone else when he had promised her theyked up 584 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,760 Speaker 1: his together. She was pregnant, she was gonna have a child, 585 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: and then he's like, I don't want you at all 586 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 1: and tossed her away. And this also could have been 587 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: a big trigger for her. What happened in Child Likes 588 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: to ast Jack. The defense didn't She never took the stand, 589 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: She didn't stand anything in her own She in fact 590 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,879 Speaker 1: sat in the court and didn't look at a single witness. Ever, 591 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: she was very stoic, looked straight ahead, except when Ricky 592 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: took the stand. Her ex boyfriend the one that she loved. 593 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,479 Speaker 1: He took the standing. He looked at her one time, 594 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,440 Speaker 1: and one time only. The prosecutor asked him to identify. 595 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,840 Speaker 1: Do you recognize the woman in the court who is 596 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: accused of this criming thing? Yes, and he looked at Brinda. 597 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:02,400 Speaker 1: She stared at him the entire time, staring, staring. Prosecution, 598 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: Rest defends rest. The jury spends all of twenty minutes 599 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,200 Speaker 1: before they came back with a guilty verdict. And what 600 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,880 Speaker 1: was her sentence? She did not get the death penalty, 601 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: She got life in prison. Brenda Delgado Life behind Bars, 602 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crimes story. Signing off Goodbye friend,