WEBVTT - Episode 6 - The Hitman

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<v Speaker 1>January seventeenth, twenty twenty four, phone conversation with Hey, Danny

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<v Speaker 1>Smith from meremr PDI catch it at that time? Are

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<v Speaker 1>you good?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm good. This case is.

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<v Speaker 1>Has got a life of its own. And I've learned

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<v Speaker 1>that two boxes became three, that became six, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I'm just gonna set up in my

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<v Speaker 1>garage and work from here from now on.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think I can close some circles for you.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know who you know and what you don't, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 2>but I could kind of put if you think of

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<v Speaker 2>it as terms of that is silent, I can kind

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<v Speaker 2>of put all the voices in the perspective behind it,

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<v Speaker 2>people and each and every one of these people that died,

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<v Speaker 2>and each and every one of these people.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Scott Weinberger, investigative journalist and former deputy sheriff, and

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<v Speaker 4>this is cold blooded. The Apollo Jim murders. In January

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<v Speaker 4>of twenty twenty four, Miramar Police Department held a press

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<v Speaker 4>conference to announce that it had sufficient evidence to officially

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<v Speaker 4>reopen a nearly forty year old cold case, our case,

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<v Speaker 4>the unsolid homicide of twenty eight year old Billy Halper.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, I want on behalf of the Miramar Police

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<v Speaker 1>Department and the Helping family. We want to thank all

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<v Speaker 1>of you for coming out.

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<v Speaker 4>With Billy's sister Laurie at his side. Detective Danny Smith

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<v Speaker 4>addressed members of the South Florida.

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<v Speaker 1>Press October twenty first, nineteen eighty six. Billy Helper was

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<v Speaker 1>killed in his Miarmore count home. Billy was bound, beaten,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately killed. This was done in broad daylight.

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<v Speaker 4>The story of murder, muscles and the mob played like

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<v Speaker 4>breaking news and.

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<v Speaker 1>Also new at noon Miramar Police announcing a major break

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<v Speaker 1>in a cold case and involves.

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<v Speaker 4>The brutal murder of a firefighter in his home back

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<v Speaker 4>in nineteen eighty six, and dominated the front page of

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<v Speaker 4>the next morning's Miami Herald. But of course, Danny and

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<v Speaker 4>I had been at this for more than a year,

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<v Speaker 4>knocking on doors, interviewing witnesses, testing DNA, and generally trying

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<v Speaker 4>to untangle the web of facts, lies, and legend surrounding

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<v Speaker 4>the Apollo Gym, which we believed was at the center

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<v Speaker 4>of a string of unsolved murders.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy's murder has been tied to numerous other murders throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the Daytenbrower area back in the nineteen eighties. Central to

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<v Speaker 1>those murders was a former Miami Day police officer, Gil Fernandez,

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<v Speaker 1>and his partner Burt Christie, who both worked and owned

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<v Speaker 1>or ran Apollo Gym out of Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 4>The goal first to raise awareness among the general public

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<v Speaker 4>that Billy's case was still unsolved and that Billy, like

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<v Speaker 4>any victim, was still entitled to his share of justice.

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<v Speaker 1>We believe that Billy heard something he shouldn't have heard,

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<v Speaker 1>and he saw something he shouldn't have seen, and we

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<v Speaker 1>believed that Billy was killed to keep him quiet and

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<v Speaker 1>for nothing else.

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<v Speaker 4>Danny also wanted to appeal to any potential witnesses who

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<v Speaker 4>might know something about Billy's murder to come forward and

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<v Speaker 4>share that information with police, someone who may have been

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<v Speaker 4>too afraid or too involved to come forward before.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're asking the public to come forward and even

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<v Speaker 1>give us a name of someone who they believe was

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<v Speaker 1>there that we can potentially get their DNA and compare

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<v Speaker 1>that to what we have.

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<v Speaker 4>A DNA match could help Danny finally close the case

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<v Speaker 4>on Billy's murder, but more importantly, it would give Billy's

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<v Speaker 4>family the closure they so deeply deserved.

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<v Speaker 5>As a possibility that someone out there knows something, knows

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<v Speaker 5>who may be.

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<v Speaker 1>Responsible for this. If there was a message that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Had for then what would it be.

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<v Speaker 1>Come forward, Call Danny, call them, call Mirrama, mirror mar

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you for coming and being brave. Don't be afraid,

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<v Speaker 1>come and tell them what you know. I'd be grateful,

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<v Speaker 1>My family would be grateful.

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<v Speaker 4>Less than four hours after the press conference ended and

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<v Speaker 4>was televised on local news channels in South Florida, Danny

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<v Speaker 4>received a phone call from someone whose name who's nowhere

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<v Speaker 4>to be found in the original case file or ours.

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<v Speaker 4>The caller claimed he had information not just about Billy's murder,

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<v Speaker 4>but also about Gil Fernandez, Harry Collier, and even a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of new names of people he believed were responsible

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<v Speaker 4>for Billy's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>There were other people that were, at least, let me say,

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<v Speaker 2>like part of the read from the gym that no

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<v Speaker 2>one has ever mentioned.

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<v Speaker 4>And like anyone who was in the South Florida bodybuilding scene.

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<v Speaker 4>He was also a regular at the Apollo Gym. For

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<v Speaker 4>reasons that will become apparent, this witness would only reveal

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<v Speaker 4>his identity to law enforcement, requesting that information not be released.

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<v Speaker 2>I became very close to Burke, and I would be

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<v Speaker 2>at the gym all the time, all the time, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be listening to things that I should have been

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<v Speaker 2>listened to, and then I would always walk out, and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess they appreciated the fact that I didn't want

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<v Speaker 2>to know anything that was going.

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<v Speaker 4>On and what was going on. According to the original investigation,

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<v Speaker 4>drug dealing, shakedowns and deadly ripoffs all directed by former

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<v Speaker 4>Mister Florida Burt Christie and carried out by Gil Fernandez

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<v Speaker 4>and his crew. But according to this new witness, Bert

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<v Speaker 4>Christy was not always the one calling the shots. He

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned a name that neither Danny or I had heard

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<v Speaker 4>mentioned in this investigation, a name that for now is

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<v Speaker 4>being redacted.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard the name?

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<v Speaker 1>Not a name I've come across now, No, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't think anyone knows him. In working at the gym

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<v Speaker 2>was a guy from New York and he would come

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<v Speaker 2>down once a month or it would go outside and

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<v Speaker 2>would not park. They would be pulling into the porking lot,

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<v Speaker 2>but Bert would be nervous that take.

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<v Speaker 3>He would go get in the car and be gone

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<v Speaker 3>for whatever time, half hour, hour, hour, and a half.

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<v Speaker 1>Whatever, I'm sorry you said he was Gills boss, or

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<v Speaker 1>Bert's boss was Gills boss.

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<v Speaker 3>And was Burt's.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the first time Danny had heard mention of

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<v Speaker 4>Christie's boss, someone who potentially was not just aware of

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<v Speaker 4>Christie's criminal enterprise, but behind it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was one of those shady guys. When his name was mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone said, don't ever save that name. Don't ever save

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<v Speaker 2>that name. And I guess in retrospect he was giving

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<v Speaker 2>bird orders and what would happen was.

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<v Speaker 3>Burt would come back and he would be nervous as shit.

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<v Speaker 4>But there was one visit in particular that always stuck

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<v Speaker 4>in his memory. It was nineteen eighty five. Business at

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<v Speaker 4>the Hollow was booming, and with each new score, Burtngill's

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<v Speaker 4>crew was getting more brazen.

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<v Speaker 2>Are don't work, Gil and Tommy all went out and

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<v Speaker 2>bought beautiful cars, and all of their wives got implants.

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<v Speaker 2>It's everything you told someone not to do after committing

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<v Speaker 2>a crime and making money.

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<v Speaker 4>Not only that, but according to Mark Lopez, drug use

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<v Speaker 4>among the Apollos in a circle, particularly the injection of

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<v Speaker 4>anabolic steroids, was getting out of control.

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<v Speaker 5>You got to realize when you start loading your body

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<v Speaker 5>up with lots of artificial distosterone that can make it

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<v Speaker 5>super aggressive, and it can kind of distort your thoughts,

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<v Speaker 5>so it could make you excessively violent if you don't

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<v Speaker 5>know how to rail yourself in.

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<v Speaker 4>Eventually, their rising profile started to attract the attention of

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<v Speaker 4>law enforcement, including the South Florida Field Office the FBI. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>with law enforcement sniffing around the Apollo, the larger enterprise

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<v Speaker 4>was at risk, even with Gill's connection within the police force,

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<v Speaker 4>because as we know, where there are detectives, there are

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<v Speaker 4>potential informants, maybe even a whole gym full of them.

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<v Speaker 4>So on one of his boss's visits, Christy was given

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<v Speaker 4>strict instructions, get your house in order.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean when he came down with the last times

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<v Speaker 2>and you could see it in his mind if something

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<v Speaker 2>concerned him so much that he just had to go home. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>whether he got orders, I don't know. Whether the orders

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<v Speaker 2>were so over the top that there were people that

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<v Speaker 2>just had to be cleaned up, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks to the information presented in gil and Bert's later trial,

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<v Speaker 4>we know that both local and federal law enforcement had

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<v Speaker 4>been surveilling the Apollo gym and looking for for any

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<v Speaker 4>Apollo employees who may have been willing to offer incriminating

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<v Speaker 4>testimony against their bosses. In fact, when we first talked

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<v Speaker 4>to Mark Lopez, he described what it was like to

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<v Speaker 4>live under the eye of both the cops and Gil Fernandez.

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<v Speaker 5>At that time, we knew that law enforcement was out

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<v Speaker 5>there poking around about Gil and I know when it happened.

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<v Speaker 5>I told Gil about it. I specifically told him that

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<v Speaker 5>BSO is trying to call me in and call my

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<v Speaker 5>girl in with me.

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<v Speaker 4>These particular detectives were looking for information on the nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>eighty three murders on Danger Road.

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<v Speaker 5>We met them for the first time in the Broward

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<v Speaker 5>maw two detectives. I said, you guys, honestly think that

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<v Speaker 5>me or anybody else like me is going to cooperate

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<v Speaker 5>with you, because if I ever agreed to do something

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<v Speaker 5>like that, I said, you know, my fate is sealed.

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<v Speaker 4>Gil had become the top suspect in the still unsolved

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<v Speaker 4>triple homicide out on Danger Road, and by nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 4>five he was beginning to feel the heat.

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<v Speaker 5>As time went on, you could see that there was

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<v Speaker 5>some type of underlying issue, and you can just see

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<v Speaker 5>it in someone. Then when they're carrying something heavy right,

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<v Speaker 5>or they're worried about something. He was easily agitated, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>when he was agitated, like you could see it on

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<v Speaker 5>his face. And I would always when I saw that look,

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<v Speaker 5>I would give him a wide berth.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone at the Apollo was unnoticed. With law enforcement closing in.

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<v Speaker 4>Gil was on a tear and according to the investigation,

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<v Speaker 4>anyone that could potentially inform on him was seen as

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<v Speaker 4>collateral damage. And according to this new witness, that meant

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<v Speaker 4>Billy Halburn could have found himself squarely in Bert and

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<v Speaker 4>Gill's crosshairs.

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<v Speaker 2>He got a little sloppy Burton gulp, and I saw

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<v Speaker 2>things I probably shouldn't have seen, and a greody guess

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<v Speaker 2>because of the fact that Billy was there alive, he

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<v Speaker 2>probably saw things he shouldn't have seen. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's the reason Harry was called down, well, whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 2>because I recalled vividly that went towards the end when

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<v Speaker 2>Bibe came down.

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<v Speaker 4>The caller is again referring to the man he believed

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<v Speaker 4>to be Bert Christie's boss.

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<v Speaker 2>Bert not that he was nervous that he would come

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<v Speaker 2>down normally, but he would when he was visibly upset

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<v Speaker 2>when he learned that Harry came down.

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<v Speaker 4>Harry as in Harry Collier, the same Harry Collier whose

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<v Speaker 4>fingerprint would later be found at Mitch Hall's murder.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when this thing started getting out of control.

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<v Speaker 2>Anybody who do anything. They just started going after him

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<v Speaker 2>and silencing everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>One thing you learned from talking with witnesses with more

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<v Speaker 4>than a passing understanding of the criminal world. They have

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<v Speaker 4>a particular fondness for understatement.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Harry was gone. Harry was not a friendly guy.

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<v Speaker 4>Also, according to this new witness, Harry Collier had a

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<v Speaker 4>very particular skill set.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how I came out of this a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>but to make a long story short, it would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about knives and shit. I so know that he

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<v Speaker 2>was really into knives.

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<v Speaker 4>The medical examiner determined that the official manner of Billy

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<v Speaker 4>Helpern's murder was trangulation, but someone had also likely used

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<v Speaker 4>a large knife to cut Billy's throat, leaving a wound

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<v Speaker 4>so jagged and deep it appeared that they were trying

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<v Speaker 4>to remove his head. Six months later, Mitch Hall and

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<v Speaker 4>his girlfriend char Linda would be killed the very same

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<v Speaker 4>way it was an opening that Danny couldn't pass up.

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<v Speaker 1>So actually, I'd like to stay on Harry for a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to be very upfront with you. I

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<v Speaker 1>am more than ninety percent sure that Harry Collier was

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<v Speaker 1>at Billy's and took part in his in his murder.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Harry was down for an extended period of time,

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<v Speaker 2>and it seemed like everything was happening during that span

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<v Speaker 2>of time when Harry was down here.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what he was down for. If you asked me,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>As they were backtracking over their people, anyone met new anything.

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<v Speaker 4>Our witnesses theory Billy, like a lot of other guys

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<v Speaker 4>at the gym, had learned too much about Bert and

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<v Speaker 4>Gill's criminal activity, specifically the triple homicide on Danger Road,

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<v Speaker 4>and according to Dave Fasano, Bert and Gill's involvement was

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<v Speaker 4>an open secret.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody knew about it, everybody had talked about everyone knew

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<v Speaker 6>about it, especially the guys that were worked out there.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, Danny and I checked and there was no record

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<v Speaker 4>anywhere that Billy had ever contacted either local or federal

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<v Speaker 4>law enforcement. But perhaps because of his clean record or

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<v Speaker 4>a refusal to be part of Gill's gang. Billy was

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<v Speaker 4>a threat, and threats had to be eliminated. Here's Dave

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<v Speaker 4>Fasano again, this time recalling that fateful morning in October

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<v Speaker 4>of nineteen eighty six.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to work.

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<v Speaker 6>And when I was pulling into the parking lot, you

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<v Speaker 6>could see Billy's block from the swimming pool, and I

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<v Speaker 6>saw the ambulances and stuff, and I'm like wow. And

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<v Speaker 6>I got out of the car and people were coming

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<v Speaker 6>up to me, Hey, somebody was murdered. Somebody was murdered.

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<v Speaker 6>And I walked down the street and I see that

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<v Speaker 6>it's Billy's house and I realized it's Billy. I kind

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<v Speaker 6>of went back to the pool by myself, and I

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<v Speaker 6>was going over and over in my head. You know

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<v Speaker 6>that Bert must be involved.

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<v Speaker 4>Mitch Hall and Charlnda Drought were killed less than six

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<v Speaker 4>months later.

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<v Speaker 1>So Mitch Hall and Charlinda his girlfriend, who appeared to

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<v Speaker 1>be in the wrong place at the wrong time, we

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<v Speaker 1>were killed with a very similar mo.

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<v Speaker 3>That Billy was.

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<v Speaker 2>And you let just see this points the atmosphere of

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<v Speaker 2>the one was looking over the shoulder towards the egg.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's next.

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<v Speaker 2>Because of a short spend period of time, all of

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<v Speaker 2>a sudden all his people died, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Who was ultimately responsible who was calling the shots? Harry

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<v Speaker 4>Collier was rumored to be a hit man from up

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<v Speaker 4>North with a thing for large knives, the kind of

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<v Speaker 4>weapon used to nearly decapitate Billy, Mitch and Charlnda. Collier

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<v Speaker 4>also happened to leave a fingerprint on a piece of

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<v Speaker 4>electrical tape at the Mitch Hall crime scene, even without

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<v Speaker 4>his DNA. This is strong circumstantial evidence that he was

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<v Speaker 4>at least one of the men behind all three murders.

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<v Speaker 4>But if it was Collier, who was with him who

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<v Speaker 4>ordered the hits. Since Jimmy high Note was found murdered

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<v Speaker 4>alongside Collier just a week after Mitch and Charlnda, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not a leap to assume he was also present at

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<v Speaker 4>Billy's murder. This fit with our assumptions that Billy was

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<v Speaker 4>ambushed by multiple assailants.

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<v Speaker 1>The theory is that Billy would not have opened the

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<v Speaker 1>door for Harry. He didn't know Harry. He wouldn't open

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<v Speaker 1>the door for Harry, but he knew Jimmy hin Note

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<v Speaker 1>action and he grew up with Jimmy high Note. And

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<v Speaker 1>my theory is that Harry and Jimmy high Note with

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<v Speaker 1>one other person, whether it's Gill or someone else.

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<v Speaker 4>Once again, it appears all signs seem to point to

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<v Speaker 4>Gil Fernandez, but without any physical evidence linking him to

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<v Speaker 4>the crime scene, it might be impossible to know for

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<v Speaker 4>sure if he was there, perhaps helping high Note and

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<v Speaker 4>call your tie Billy up, giving the orders to kill,

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<v Speaker 4>or even doing it himself. And while he may not

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<v Speaker 4>have any proof that Gil Fernandez killed Billy Halpurn, what

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<v Speaker 4>about the murders of Jimmy high Note and Harry Collier?

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<v Speaker 1>Not to mention the fact that shortly thereafter, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you remember Gil had to go to the

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<v Speaker 1>hospital with lead in his eye.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember, that's right. The day after high Note and

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<v Speaker 4>Collier were shot dead. Police reports show that Gil was

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<v Speaker 4>admitted to the emergency room with a very telling injury.

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<v Speaker 4>Somehow a small piece of lead had lacerated his eye.

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<v Speaker 4>According to the report, it was a shard of iron

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<v Speaker 4>from a weightlifting accident. But our witness had an opinion

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<v Speaker 4>about that too.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you feel about that? That excuse that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a dumbbell that broke, or of.

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<v Speaker 3>Course, of course you know better than that, and I

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<v Speaker 3>know better than that.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, now in retrospect, it's hideous that I believed

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<v Speaker 2>what I believe. You know, it was obviously a freight

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<v Speaker 2>mint from lead from a gunshot.

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<v Speaker 4>In October of nineteen eighty six, Harry Collier was summoned

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<v Speaker 4>to the Apollo Gym in Hollywood Beach, Florida. Burton Gill's

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<v Speaker 4>operations had gotten sloppy. People were talking, and according to

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<v Speaker 4>the investigation, it was Collier's job to help clean things up.

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<v Speaker 2>Every day you'd go in, they're wondering who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be dead next. That was the atmosphere in the gym

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<v Speaker 2>at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>It reminded me of something Billy's friend Dave Fasano told

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<v Speaker 4>us about a particularly ominous conversation with Burt Christy just

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<v Speaker 4>a few days before Billy was killed.

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<v Speaker 6>I was at the gym one day and I was

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<v Speaker 6>working out, and Bert came up to me, So your

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<v Speaker 6>friends would Biblity to help hert right? And I said yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>He says, how good a friend? He says, well, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't want you hanging out with him anymore. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>want you to go to his house. I don't want

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<v Speaker 6>you to get in a car with him. I don't

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<v Speaker 6>want you to go out with him to a club.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want you to do nothing with him. If

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<v Speaker 6>he calls you, you make an excuse, but don't go

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<v Speaker 6>anywhere near him.

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<v Speaker 4>Later that week, Billy Helperan was murdered.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm thinking, holy shit, Bert had to know something,

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<v Speaker 6>because why did he tell me to stay away from Billy?

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<v Speaker 6>So Bert in a way protected me at the same time,

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<v Speaker 6>was involvable killing one of my closest friends.

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<v Speaker 4>It may have been a warning, a mentor and coach

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<v Speaker 4>looking out for his bodybuilding protegee, but it also clearly

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<v Speaker 4>was a threat. And you know what, it worked.

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<v Speaker 6>When the cops came to me, they asked me to speak,

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<v Speaker 6>asked to speak to me. They came in the gym

0:22:06.400 --> 0:22:09.040
<v Speaker 6>and they said, it's David Fasano win here and they

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<v Speaker 6>pointed me out. They came over and they pulled me

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<v Speaker 6>out of the gym and the frock in the parking

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<v Speaker 6>lot and started questioning me. The first question was that

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<v Speaker 6>you know, there's all these murders and your name is

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<v Speaker 6>in all the phone books that we've recovered.

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<v Speaker 3>Why why is that one?

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<v Speaker 6>And I said, well, because we all worked out here

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<v Speaker 6>to pollow gym. And we're friends from this gym. I

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<v Speaker 6>remember just being nervous as hell because Gil was looking

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<v Speaker 6>out the window.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was terrified.

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<v Speaker 6>I was afraid I was going to get killed because

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<v Speaker 6>and so I kept my mouth shut. And I felt

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<v Speaker 6>guilty for keeping my mouth shut at that time because

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<v Speaker 6>I thought I could help Billy, but I was terrified

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<v Speaker 6>that they were going to kill me.

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<v Speaker 4>He had reason to be afraid. Supposedly, Bitch Hall had

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<v Speaker 4>heard the same rumors about Bert and Ill that Billy had,

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<v Speaker 4>and when Billy was killed, he made the decision to

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<v Speaker 4>come forward and share what he knew with law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 4>It's still painful for his sister Kim to recount what

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<v Speaker 4>happened next.

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<v Speaker 7>Charlette was pulled from the shower. My brother was not

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<v Speaker 7>home yet, and they cut her throat. And then my brother,

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<v Speaker 7>he Messa, went to the store because they have had

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<v Speaker 7>a six pack of beer on the kitchen counter, and

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<v Speaker 7>then I guess he went to the room and he

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<v Speaker 7>tried to get to his gun, which was in the closet,

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<v Speaker 7>and I guess they cut his throat.

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<v Speaker 4>The truth was no one was safe, as high note

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<v Speaker 4>in Collier's murders proved when it's time to clean house.

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<v Speaker 4>Even the hitman gets hit.

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<v Speaker 7>My brother died May sixth. When I went to the funeral,

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<v Speaker 7>of course, he had like five hundred people at the funeral.

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<v Speaker 7>He was very pop. My brother and Jimmy High Note

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<v Speaker 7>was there and he came up to me and he

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<v Speaker 7>was sweating. He it seemed like he was like just

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<v Speaker 7>got out of the shower and never dried off. He

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<v Speaker 7>was sweating and sweating, and he hugged me. I'm sorry

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:18.480
<v Speaker 7>about Mitch. I'll never forget it. He said, I'm going

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<v Speaker 7>to be next. And I said, Jimmy, you need to

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<v Speaker 7>go to the police. You have to go talk to somebody.

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<v Speaker 7>I can't kim I'm going to be next. Then a

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<v Speaker 7>week later, he was next.

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<v Speaker 4>He was shot alongside the same man who most likely

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<v Speaker 4>killed her brother, Harry Collier. The realization hit her like

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<v Speaker 4>a ton of bricks. She had known Jimmy high Note

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<v Speaker 4>her whole life, she just never knew what he was

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<v Speaker 4>allegedly capable of.

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<v Speaker 7>I believe in my heart he was there, and I

0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 7>just have this feeling and I'm thinking, oh my god,

0:24:58.000 --> 0:25:01.840
<v Speaker 7>I if Jimmy he was there and he killed my brother.

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<v Speaker 7>I actually hugged his murderer.

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<v Speaker 4>During this investigation, Detective Danny Smith made efforts to learn

0:25:10.320 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 4>more about both Jimmy high Note and Harry Collier, and

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<v Speaker 4>while plenty of people had memories of high Note, who

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:21.919
<v Speaker 4>was a South Florida local, Collier had fewer Florida ties,

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<v Speaker 4>and until his arrival at the Apollo, he was relatively unknown.

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<v Speaker 4>But in the fall of twenty twenty three, we were

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<v Speaker 4>able to talk to his widow, Noami Collier. Danny had

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<v Speaker 4>already uncovered a lot of damning, circumstantial evidence that put

0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 4>her husband, Harry, not only at the Mitch Hall crime scene,

0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:50.680
<v Speaker 4>but also at Billy Halpern's. His obvious relationship with Burton Gill,

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<v Speaker 4>his keen interest in knives, and of course, his fingerprint

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 4>left at the scene of a double homicide. It all

0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 4>pointed to Collier as a cold blooded killer, but he

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:06.600
<v Speaker 4>was a victim himself, and we had the feeling that

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<v Speaker 4>peeling back the layers of his story would shine light

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:14.360
<v Speaker 4>not only on Billy Hoppern's murder, but his own and

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<v Speaker 4>the men that ordered it.

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<v Speaker 1>Our hom side was October twenty first of eighty six,

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<v Speaker 1>and then seven months later, about May of eighty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy the name of Mitch Hall and Charlon de

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<v Speaker 1>Drought were killed, and then eight days later, Jimmy and

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<v Speaker 1>Harry were killed, and that was in Pines.

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<v Speaker 4>Harry Collier's wife agreed to cooperate with Detective Smith's investigation because,

0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:49.959
<v Speaker 4>like so many people affected by these crimes, she's been

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 4>left with too many unanswered questions for too long.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the common denominator here is everyone involved in

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:04.520
<v Speaker 1>all these homsides somehow had a connection with Gil Fernandez.

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<v Speaker 1>Now maybe ninety five percent of the people that I've

0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>spoken to have all said, why are you doing this?

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.320
<v Speaker 1>This case is solved, will be already told gil did it,

0:27:18.520 --> 0:27:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Bert did it. It's a done deal. And I've explained

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:23.879
<v Speaker 1>to them that actually it's not.

0:27:26.480 --> 0:27:29.640
<v Speaker 4>It's clear from her body language there is no love

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:33.080
<v Speaker 4>lost for Gil Fernandez, and no matter how painful it

0:27:33.280 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 4>was to revisit her husband's murder, she knew it was

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:39.520
<v Speaker 4>important to finally confront the truth.

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:44.880
<v Speaker 1>She essentially said that she's a mom, you know, as

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:48.359
<v Speaker 1>a wife, she would want to know and find out

0:27:48.440 --> 0:27:54.600
<v Speaker 1>exactly what happened and who did what, and if there's

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<v Speaker 1>still someone struggling with finding out what happened, I think

0:27:58.440 --> 0:27:59.760
<v Speaker 1>she would like to assist with that.

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<v Speaker 4>We will paraphrase her answers here because quite honestly, what

0:28:06.080 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 4>she told Danny Smith sheds all new light on many

0:28:09.840 --> 0:28:14.320
<v Speaker 4>of the details of this case. Now. Webby explained that

0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:18.160
<v Speaker 4>she and Harry had relocated from the Northeast to Coral Springs, Florida,

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.159
<v Speaker 4>in the early eighties. She got a job teaching in

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:24.400
<v Speaker 4>the Broward County Public school system, and Harry, she told us,

0:28:24.600 --> 0:28:28.639
<v Speaker 4>worked as a counselor at the Broward Juvenile Detention Center,

0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 4>which was news to us. Harry Collier worked with law

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:38.560
<v Speaker 4>enforcement first up in the Northeast and now South Florida,

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<v Speaker 4>but the Colliers were also bodybuilders, and it was only

0:28:42.120 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 4>a matter of time before Harry fell in with fellow

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 4>workout fiends Bert and Gil.

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<v Speaker 1>She mentioned Gil and Bert and Harry. They were always together.

0:28:56.480 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>They did everything together. They basically woke up and their

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 1>daily routine was they would call each other, they would

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>hang out with each other, and they would do everything together.

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 4>And it wasn't long before she noticed a disturbing change

0:29:13.600 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 4>in her husband's demeanor and appearance.

0:29:17.360 --> 0:29:19.479
<v Speaker 1>She said that she saw the change in Harry, that

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:24.440
<v Speaker 1>she saw that he got more aggressive. He put on

0:29:24.520 --> 0:29:29.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of size, and his entire personality changed a

0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>bit in an aggressive manner. She at various times would

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:38.160
<v Speaker 1>see him with vials of something some kind of a

0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 1>liquid inside the house.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks to a new regimen of intravenous steroids, Harry was

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<v Speaker 4>constantly sweaty, irritable, and was quickly bulking up.

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<v Speaker 1>It was almost a situation where even when he was

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<v Speaker 1>home or she was around him, she didn't recognize him

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<v Speaker 1>as the same Harry that she knew, or the same

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<v Speaker 1>Harry that she married.

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<v Speaker 4>But hysteroic aduse was not the only thing about her

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<v Speaker 4>husband that was raising her suspicions. According to Harry, he

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<v Speaker 4>had a new job with Gil. They were doing what

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<v Speaker 4>he called private investigations, a job that often kept him

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<v Speaker 4>out all night, armed and flushed with cash.

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<v Speaker 1>And he even asked her to hold on to a gun,

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<v Speaker 1>which was completely out of character and not anything that

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<v Speaker 1>Harry had asked his wife to do. So she was

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<v Speaker 1>immediately suspicious. Didn't know exactly what was going on, but

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<v Speaker 1>definitely knew that there was something the faarius that was happening.

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<v Speaker 4>But one night in particular stuck out in her memory.

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<v Speaker 4>Then on me was seven months pregnant and back in

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<v Speaker 4>the Northeast at her mother's house on bed rest. Harry

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<v Speaker 4>called her to let her know that he had to

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<v Speaker 4>do one last job for Gil and he would come

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<v Speaker 4>join her at her moms as soon as it was done.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said that Miami, we're going to go do

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<v Speaker 1>a job tonight and just pray for me that everything

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<v Speaker 1>works out.

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<v Speaker 4>According to Harry, this particular job was going to be

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<v Speaker 4>dangerous but potentially very profitable.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you can imagine a wife hearing that from

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<v Speaker 1>her husband, you would be worried. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>she's got to be thinking, what exactly is going on

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<v Speaker 1>that I have to pray for my husband on a

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<v Speaker 1>job where he's doing PI work.

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<v Speaker 4>A week later, Harry informed Nuami that he was finally

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<v Speaker 4>leaving Florida and heading back north in a hurry. But

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<v Speaker 4>when he never arrived, never called, Noomi had a feeling

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<v Speaker 4>something had gone terribly wrong. Noemmi made some calls. Gil's

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<v Speaker 4>wife told her that Harry had come over for dinner

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<v Speaker 4>Gil before they left together.

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<v Speaker 1>And Gil's ex wife said, Harry came over, hung out

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<v Speaker 1>with Gil for a short period of time. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>they had dinner together, and then that was all she knew.

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<v Speaker 4>But according to Noami, when she reached out to Gil,

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<v Speaker 4>he denied it, claiming he hadn't seen Harry in days.

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<v Speaker 1>In Noemi's words, he was yelling at her. He was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why you keep calling me. Stop calling me.

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<v Speaker 1>He's out somewhere. There's no reason for you to call

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<v Speaker 1>me anymore about this.

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<v Speaker 4>The next day, she reported her husband missing. Four days

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<v Speaker 4>after that, his body was discovered in an empty townhouse

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<v Speaker 4>in Pembroke Pines, a single gunshot wound to the back

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<v Speaker 4>of the head.

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<v Speaker 1>And ultimately the police get with her and they say

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<v Speaker 1>that Harry never left Florida. He was supposed to go

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<v Speaker 1>up north. He never left. He was with Gil, and

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<v Speaker 1>from there Gil and Harry went somewhere together, and then

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<v Speaker 1>Harry never came back.

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<v Speaker 4>Miami said that for nearly four decades, she's been convinced

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<v Speaker 4>that Gil Fernandez pulled the trigger.

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<v Speaker 1>Noemi knew that Gil had something to do with Harry's

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<v Speaker 1>murder because he was the last person he was with

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<v Speaker 1>and was never heard from again.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been harder to come to terms with the idea

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<v Speaker 4>that her husband may have also been a killer.

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<v Speaker 1>I had a very lengthy conversation regarding Harry's fingerprint being.

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<v Speaker 5>At the hall Draft murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Scene and Noemi's I guess the impression of it is

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<v Speaker 1>that Harry would never do anything like that on his own,

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<v Speaker 1>and if his fingerprint was there, he was forced to

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<v Speaker 1>do it, and the fact that he was there or

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<v Speaker 1>even took part in a double murder was strictly as

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<v Speaker 1>a result of Gil forcing him, probably by a threat

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<v Speaker 1>of death.

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<v Speaker 4>The one problem with that theory, of course, was that

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<v Speaker 4>Danny's investigation still had no proof Gil was there at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, there's no information that shows that Gil was

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<v Speaker 1>at that house. There's no forensics, there's no witnesses that.

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<v Speaker 4>Put him there, even with the fingerprints to prove it.

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<v Speaker 4>Jemmy was still convinced that the Harry Collier she married

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<v Speaker 4>was no killer, But it turns out that she might

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<v Speaker 4>just have the proof that he was. Toward the end

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<v Speaker 4>of the conversation with don't let me mention something that

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<v Speaker 4>caught him off guard. Months after her husband's murder, she

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<v Speaker 4>found something amongst her husband's things that did not match

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<v Speaker 4>anything they had at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Naami mentioned that her mom, know Me's mom came across

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<v Speaker 1>a towel that appeared to be bloodstained, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>shortly after the Helper murder.

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<v Speaker 4>The towel had been washed, but the dark stains were

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<v Speaker 4>unmistakable and the implications unforgivable.

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<v Speaker 1>And she opted to keep that towel, hold it and

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<v Speaker 1>basically keep it as safe keeping. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>she knew exactly what she was going to do with it,

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<v Speaker 1>but she felt it was important enough to hold on to.

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<v Speaker 4>After her husband, Harry's murder, she moved back to the Northeast,

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<v Speaker 4>taking the bloody towel with her, but eventually Noemmi contacted

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<v Speaker 4>investigators in Florida to tell them what she had.

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<v Speaker 1>She reached out to the Broward Sheriff's office and she

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<v Speaker 1>said that I've got this towel. She gave the circumstances

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<v Speaker 1>around the towel, and she said, if you guys want it,

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<v Speaker 1>come on up and get it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll give it to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Noemi gave the towel to Browid County investigators and it

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<v Speaker 4>was filed as evidence. But according to our records, the

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<v Speaker 4>towel had never been tested, the mysterious stains never identified,

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<v Speaker 4>and most importantly, any potential DNA never collected, so whose

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<v Speaker 4>blood was it? Could it be Mitch Hall's Shrulinda Droughts

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<v Speaker 4>or could it belong to Billy Halper. We had to

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<v Speaker 4>find that towel, and if it contained DNA belonging to

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<v Speaker 4>any of the known victims, it was definitive proof finally

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<v Speaker 4>that Collier was indeed the killer, the Apollo Jim's own

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<v Speaker 4>hit man for hire. But if it didn't, well, we

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<v Speaker 4>might just be right back where we started. Cold Blooded

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<v Speaker 4>The Apollo Jim Murders is a production of iHeart Podcasts

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<v Speaker 4>and Authentic Wave Media. Scott Weinberger, Kevin Bennett, and Walker

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<v Speaker 4>LeMond are executive producers. Sabrina Siree is our line producer,

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<v Speaker 4>scoring sound design and mixing by Mark lamoorgg Z For

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<v Speaker 4>iHeart Podcasts, Christina Everett is executive producer, and David Wasserman

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<v Speaker 4>is brand marketing manager. And with special thanks to the

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<v Speaker 4>Miramar Police Department, Chief Delrich Moss, p Io Tanya Ardaz,

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<v Speaker 4>and Detective Susie Smith,