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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Katrina rasp Bold with us. Her book is

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Speaker 1: called Uncrossing. She's got a lot of books out there,

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Speaker 1: but this is the latest one. If a person has

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Speaker 1: been psychically attacked, Katrina, do they know it? Or do

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Speaker 1: they just feel crummy? Or what? Sometimes they know it.

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Speaker 1: If you have someone who's knowledgeable about psychic attacks, or

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Speaker 1: they've been attacked before and they understand what it feels

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Speaker 1: like and what the symptoms are, they might know. Often

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Speaker 1: a person just doesn't understand why their luck is tanking,

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Speaker 1: why they have no vitality, why they can't sleep at night,

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Speaker 1: why they feel so eternally uncomfortable. What are some of

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Speaker 1: the best ways to remove the psychic attack? I always,

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Speaker 1: and this isn't just because I'm in the business, I

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Speaker 1: always recommend a professional cleansing when you can get it.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be a trained person who knows what

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Speaker 1: to look for, knows how to feel through your body

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Speaker 1: the energetic field and tell where something is lodged in

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Speaker 1: your energetic body. But if you don't do that, always

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Speaker 1: with the ritual quinsa's staying very grounded, touching trees, touching earth,

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Speaker 1: touching rocks. That helps to discharge some of that negative

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Speaker 1: energy as well. Unless a person has heard you, let's say,

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Speaker 1: on our program. How does somebody who's been psychically attacked, cursed,

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Speaker 1: or hexed even find somebody to help them who's a professional.

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Speaker 1: It's really, to some degree cultural. Some cultures are more

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Speaker 1: prolific with having people who take care of this sort

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Speaker 1: of thing. Ours is not very forthcoming with that, and

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of people out there who really

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Speaker 1: are looking to take advantage of people who are in

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Speaker 1: a difficult situation. So it is dicey when you're trying

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Speaker 1: to find somebody, it's usually going to be a word

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Speaker 1: of mouth recommendation. And can a person do this for

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Speaker 1: themselves effectively? They can. There's a section in my book

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Speaker 1: that talks about that, and it's about taking a shower

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Speaker 1: with some of the ingredients that I mentioned before and

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Speaker 1: just sluicing it over your body, amounts of prayer and

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Speaker 1: meditation and working very hard to not trip yourself up

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Speaker 1: with negative behaviors. Chapter eleven in your book talks about

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Speaker 1: egg cleansing. What the heck is that that's my real

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Speaker 1: go to for taking care of this situation. With an

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Speaker 1: egg cleansing, what you're doing is blessing and consecrating an egg.

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Speaker 1: You have the client blow onto the egg so that

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Speaker 1: it conveys part of their energy into the egg, and

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Speaker 1: then you rub it all over their body and it

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Speaker 1: pulls out the negative energies that are inside of them

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Speaker 1: because temporarily those negative energies are fooled into believing this

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Speaker 1: is the client and that it's fresh meat because that's

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Speaker 1: not depleted from them. And then we trap it in

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Speaker 1: a jar until it dies off. Now do you crack

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Speaker 1: How do you open it? I crack it into a

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Speaker 1: jar of blessed water and close it very quickly. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that's how it's worked. It is. Now, why do

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Speaker 1: you use an egg? Because it actually is considered although

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Speaker 1: science disagrees with that, it's considered to be a potential

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Speaker 1: living cell. So it's the closest easily accessed item we

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Speaker 1: have that can duplicate that and take on the energy

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Speaker 1: of the client. How do you know you're successful in

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Speaker 1: cleansing somebody? You look at the immediate effects on the client.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to be watching them for a few

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Speaker 1: minutes after the cleansing to see if they feel better.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to be tracking them after the cleansing to

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Speaker 1: see how they're doing, if they're self reporting anything that

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Speaker 1: feels different. We just watch for an improvement, and it's

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Speaker 1: really difficult to know how much of that is psychosomatic

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Speaker 1: During the break putring, a lot of people are asking

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Speaker 1: if you would again explain the difference between a crossing,

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Speaker 1: a psychic attack, or hecks a curse. Happy too, And

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Speaker 1: this is just the way that I was taught. I

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Speaker 1: do understand that other people have different definitions of this.

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Speaker 1: For my teaching, what I was taught is a psychic

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Speaker 1: attack is a very general term, such as illness or

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Speaker 1: such as an injury. It's just a very strong umbrella

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Speaker 1: to cover all of this. The curses tend to be

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Speaker 1: very personal and very intense. When I'm looking at a curse,

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Speaker 1: a lot more dangerous. Then we get the crossings, which

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Speaker 1: fascinating work that you do. Does it ever backfire on

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Speaker 1: took a picture of it with my phone and immediately

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Speaker 1: got hit. I knew because you had everything captured in there, right,

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Speaker 1: having done this for eight ten years, I still get

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Speaker 1: to mitigate. That reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode

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Speaker 1: letting him out. That's very apt. Yes, I got to

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Speaker 1: watch that stuff. Curses, hexes, psychic attacks, crossings. If you

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Speaker 1: were to face one thing personally, which would you prefer

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Speaker 1: to face? Oh, just a little crossing. That's my favorite.

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Speaker 1: hold a rock, you ground it out, You're okay. That's

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Speaker 1: always the preferred because that's the least aggressive. Anxiety levels

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Speaker 1: Katrina right now I think are at an all time high. Incredible.

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Speaker 1: And I have a residence psychiatrist who comes from the

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Speaker 1: lot of what I clean off of people all day long.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of fear, and when people are fearful,

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Speaker 1: they're far more susceptible to these types of attack. What

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Speaker 1: about people who just merely have rotten luck? Some people do,

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Speaker 1: don't think that's always occurs, but sometimes it is. Now,

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Speaker 1: you're not an exorcist that generally is relegated to a

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Speaker 1: other religions as well. But one could say what you

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Speaker 1: do is similar to an exorcism, isn't it. I've done

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Speaker 1: actual exorcisms? You have? Oh? Absolutely, yes. That used to

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Speaker 1: Are you a high priestess? What? Are you just a

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Speaker 1: professional witch? You know? And sometimes you get into one

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Speaker 1: of these cleansings and realize you're dealing with something more

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Speaker 1: So they're trying to invoke some demons or invoke something

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Speaker 1: if you're removing an entity, and again we talked about exorcisms,

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Speaker 1: but what else is it If it's not an exorcism

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Speaker 1: don't really think of a tumor as being living, and

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Speaker 1: yet it's compromising that person's vitality. So it's more like

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Speaker 1: if you want to say psychic surgery or aggressive cleaning.

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Speaker 1: Interesting take in what about the not the bad luck,

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Speaker 1: but the person who is negative all the time? That

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Speaker 1: doesn't this affect them too? Absolutely it does add A

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Speaker 1: person's point of view and worldview will always create the

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Speaker 1: So we're probably going to attract people who share those

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Speaker 1: negative thoughts and that just creates this continually spiral of

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Speaker 1: negative energy around people. And some people really enjoy that drama.

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Speaker 1: of those. If a person Petrna is just it's a

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Speaker 1: This can absolutely affect them. In fact, it's often the

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Speaker 1: just get the carpet pulled out from under them. That's

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Speaker 1: an interesting take on that. Then how do they reconcile it?

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Speaker 1: It's really just individual has to how different people respond

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Speaker 1: to this experience. Katrina, back to the egg in a jar.

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Speaker 1: Once you kind of like pull the evil into the

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Speaker 1: egg and into the jar, what do you do with it? Oh,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna love this part. We leave it in the jar.

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Speaker 1: obvious when the contents have died off, because the contents

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Speaker 1: but you do urinate onto it first before you flush it,

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Speaker 1: which shows dominance over whatever. That's gross, Kittrina, it's very

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Speaker 1: gratifying because you're you're saying I have more power than

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Speaker 1: you do. It's a primal subjugation. It's like it's like

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Speaker 1: And so because I had to learn those skills early on,

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Speaker 1: What I see backfiring is when people have come to

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Speaker 1: Interesting take the fascinating work that you do. We're going

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Speaker 1: to take calls next hour with Katrina and again questions

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Speaker 1: for her about what we're talking about hexes and curses

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Speaker 1: or if you think you've been hexed or cursed, check

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Speaker 1: in with us. Do you physically have to be there

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Speaker 1: Interesting take, since you've been doing this, You've been doing

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Speaker 1: this for how many years? Now? Eight or nine years professionally? Wow,

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Speaker 1: that's a long time, isn't it feels like it? Who

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Speaker 1: do you admire the most in this field? Wow? There

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Speaker 1: are I'm trying to There was a Curlindaro who is

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Speaker 1: an a Mexican healer called Nino Fidicio, who has since

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Speaker 1: much admired. And would you recommend that people get involved

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Speaker 1: I bet you. You don't get rich doing this, dude.

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Speaker 1: You don't get rich doing it, And it's not gratifying

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Speaker 1: I wish I could say it was. It's gratifying when

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Speaker 1: It just is and you can see either or are

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Speaker 1: I do. But it's exhausting. Even though you're not channeling

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Speaker 1: your energy, you're channeling divine energy. Just running that over

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Speaker 1: three four healings a day, it's really tiring. Have you

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Speaker 1: ever had to clench a child? I have, and animals

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