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Speaker 1: Draymond Green Show. Timing wise, it couldn't have worked better.
Speaker 1: Draymond just won his fourth championship. He's also got arguably
Speaker 1: arguably the greatest basketball podcast out right now, definitely the
Speaker 1: hottest out, the hottest out. I mean some people, some
Speaker 1: people would maybe argue there's some other really good ones
Speaker 1: in this case, and this guy, I think we're okay
Speaker 1: being number two. His content over the last month. I
Speaker 1: do want to point out one thing. Um a few
Speaker 1: months ago, Duke played Michigan State in this in the
Speaker 1: Sweet sixteen or to go to the Sweet sixteen. I
Speaker 1: texted Draymond and I said, I said, Dre, let's let's
Speaker 1: let's have some action on this game. And normally when
Speaker 1: I bet college basketball games, it's usually with you. And see, guys,
Speaker 1: those guys are ran tombly, very cheap, and they want
Speaker 1: to do hundred dollar bets. Two hundred dollar bets. I
Speaker 1: knew Dre was the real deal, so I said, let's
Speaker 1: bet a bottle of d r C. Of course duke
Speaker 1: one and uh, it was close, but Dre showed up
Speaker 1: tonight with a two thousand six Rischerberg. So let's give
Speaker 1: Drey a hand on that. The man pays his debts.
Speaker 1: All right, we've got a great show for you guys tonight. UM,
Speaker 1: let's welcome in Draymond Green from the Draymond Green Show.
Speaker 1: Let's go Somatic entrance. Hello, everyone, I just throw my
Speaker 1: wand a little bit that wasn't a real player of me.
Speaker 1: I'm here. What's up, guys, It's up, man, this is great.
Speaker 1: We um, just so we know they're they're the reason
Speaker 1: there's a fourth chair is that we randomly five minutes
Speaker 1: ago learn we we probably are gonna have a surprise
Speaker 1: guest at some point in the show tonight, so we
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Dre. I got a question for you because
Speaker 1: I've never wanted uh an NBA championship and you've won four. Um,
Speaker 1: I got one spur take Take me through, Take me
Speaker 1: through the last eleven days since you guys won, the
Speaker 1: the aftermath of that feeling, the aftermath of winning a championship, well,
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of shut ups and fuck you.
Speaker 1: Um just just been absolutely amazing. What are they gonna
Speaker 1: say now, Draymond versus everybody? I like that She's ready
Speaker 1: shout out to her. Uh you, No, honest league, I'm
Speaker 1: getting old and I've just been chilling like at home
Speaker 1: doing nothing. Like my wife's been trying to get me
Speaker 1: the fly all over the place. Let's go to Cabo.
Speaker 1: Then she leaves to l A. Let's go to l A.
Speaker 1: And I was supposed to lead to l A on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: I pushed the trip back every day until Sunday till
Speaker 1: I had to leave and be My flight to Hear
Speaker 1: was from l A, so I had to fly to
Speaker 1: l A Sunday. So the drunk Draymond that y'all. Sea said, Yeah, Nope,
Speaker 1: I wasn't quite that guy this time around. I've been
Speaker 1: at home, chilling, trying to get my feet under me. Man,
Speaker 1: it's been crazy, snuts. I get a question though about
Speaker 1: the parade. Um. Again, not to be self deprecating too much,
Speaker 1: but I've envisioned that happening in my life and it
Speaker 1: never did, unfortunately, m Um. And you know, we did
Speaker 1: a bit on on ESPN. We did a bit about
Speaker 1: who the m v P of the Warriors Parade was,
Speaker 1: and certainly you're a candidate for that. Clay Thompson had
Speaker 1: five or six viral moments in the span of two hours,
Speaker 1: and and Steph seemed to really let go a little
Speaker 1: bit absolutely who was your m v P of the
Speaker 1: Warriors Parade? It definitely wasn't me. I mean, I've had
Speaker 1: my moments and I've had my parades that I owned.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that one. Um, I have to go cold
Speaker 1: m v P for stuff and Clay and here's why,
Speaker 1: Like you just hit a stuff never lets go like that. Like,
Speaker 1: I think people have seen another side of stuff that
Speaker 1: they had never knew existed. And it's great to me
Speaker 1: because I've seen this side of stuff like for years
Speaker 1: and to see him um like outwardly own everybody and
Speaker 1: on outwardly on his situation. Normally he quietly does it.
Speaker 1: You saw the celebration after the ring. I read the lips.
Speaker 1: You know, we we know what he said um or
Speaker 1: not after the ring when he was about to get
Speaker 1: the ring. It was just a totally different stuff. And
Speaker 1: then you got Clay. Who I mean, the guy completely
Speaker 1: tackles some woman in the boat. On the way to
Speaker 1: tackle the woman, he loses his hat in the water,
Speaker 1: he loses his championship ring. And the reality is is
Speaker 1: that kind of sums up Clay, like he'll lose his
Speaker 1: head if he's not attached to his shoulders. But but
Speaker 1: like that's Clay, Like Clay's the guy who will wake
Speaker 1: up for practice late, look at the clock like, ah,
Speaker 1: I'm already laid. I'm just not going like and and
Speaker 1: so to see those two guys in that element like
Speaker 1: like surprise, surprise, I was cussing everyone out surprise, like
Speaker 1: who But you didn't expect that from I mean, I
Speaker 1: expected that from Clay, but you didn't expect that really
Speaker 1: from those two guys. And like I said, when he
Speaker 1: tripped over the thing. The reason that's the moment of
Speaker 1: the parade, because if he does not hit that woman,
Speaker 1: he's fucked up. Like no, there's like, all right, somebody
Speaker 1: helped me out on the street. There's like these little events,
Speaker 1: you know, they all yeah, So they got him in
Speaker 1: San Francisco in the middle of the street. He's on
Speaker 1: that like he's about to fall on that, and then
Speaker 1: he hits this woman and crushed her and she fall
Speaker 1: on it. So like that had to be the time
Speaker 1: of the parade. I gotta go cold and VP for
Speaker 1: Stephan Clay, Speaking for yourself, did you have a favorite
Speaker 1: fuck you? My favorite fuck you was my daughter sitting
Speaker 1: on the side of the float, like like that was
Speaker 1: that was my favorite during the parade. Um, my favorite
Speaker 1: since the parade and all of this is Skip Bayless. Uh,
Speaker 1: everybody agree, like, fucking guy sucks. My favorite after parade
Speaker 1: was the podcast Yesterday I called Jackson Jackson's fucking on
Speaker 1: vacation somewhere and I'm like, Jackson, I called him on.
Speaker 1: I text him on like Thursday and Friday. I'm like, Jackson,
Speaker 1: we really need to do a podcast now, mind you.
Speaker 1: Jackson's been hitting me up since Sunday, Jackson, I can't
Speaker 1: think straight. I just want a championship. You probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: hit me on Sunday. It's even before the parade, just
Speaker 1: getting back from Vegas. But nonetheless, so then I finally
Speaker 1: hit Jackson back on Thursday Friday. I'm like, Jackson, we
Speaker 1: really need to do a podcast, and he's like, I
Speaker 1: think it'll be cool if we just do it on
Speaker 1: Monday at the show and I'm like, yeah, Jackson, I
Speaker 1: kind of have a lot of ship to say and
Speaker 1: I really need to do this podcast. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm kind of on vacation, Like all right. So
Speaker 1: we did the podcast yesterday morning, and it was absolutely
Speaker 1: I thought it was amazing. I hope everyone else thought
Speaker 1: it was amazing. But to absolutely destroy skilled Baylis, I
Speaker 1: never see the rebuttal, but I'm sorry he was as
Speaker 1: shitty as he was when stephen A just crushed him
Speaker 1: last week. He looked like he was about to cry
Speaker 1: when he's responding to stephen Aint. But the reality is
Speaker 1: the reason you should believe stephen A. No one one
Speaker 1: is a real guy. And I'm not just saying that
Speaker 1: that's my guy. But Shannon actually saved the guy when
Speaker 1: he went to the next network. So when stephen A
Speaker 1: comes out and say, no, this show was suffering, and
Speaker 1: I came on and say that, you'd be a fool
Speaker 1: not to believe that because the show was suffering and
Speaker 1: Shannon came on to save it. So I enjoyed that
Speaker 1: more than anything. He wanted to throw it out. You
Speaker 1: got to take the punches if you go on dish
Speaker 1: one brother one. One thing to note is, Um, stephen
Speaker 1: A said all this stuff about Skip Bayliss on the
Speaker 1: Old Man at three. I just wanted to make that. Hey, no,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to make that. Stephen had also said
Speaker 1: some similar things on different interviews. Um. And by the way,
Speaker 1: we will at some point over the next hour touch
Speaker 1: on new media. I don't want to go there quite yet.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Steph as the co m v P, and
Speaker 1: I want to kind of go there and Steph and
Speaker 1: I've been UM very vocal about this, Like Steph is
Speaker 1: is my favorite player of this generation. He was a
Speaker 1: guy that you know, I obviously admired, I love competing against,
Speaker 1: I love the joy that he plays with and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Game four early and then Game six at
Speaker 1: the end when he was crying, the emotions that he showed,
Speaker 1: the intensity and Game four early in the game, the
Speaker 1: crying at the end, I have to think, and yours teammate,
Speaker 1: I have to think that this championship meant a little
Speaker 1: more to him. Whether that had anything to do with
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant in eight in seventeen and eighteen, or whether
Speaker 1: it was him not winning the m v P in
Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen, I'm not sure what it was.
Speaker 1: It just seemed like, at this moment in his career,
Speaker 1: this one meant a little bit more. I think it
Speaker 1: definitely did um number one. The emotion from him in
Speaker 1: Game four, I selfishly think, and I'm and no one's
Speaker 1: gonna stop me from thinking this. I selfishly think it
Speaker 1: was in protection of me. I struggled so bad in
Speaker 1: Game three. I was a fucking disaster. And the reality
Speaker 1: is I was a little rattled, and I'm never rattled
Speaker 1: on an opposing I was a little because it was
Speaker 1: just unexpected, Like you expect the booze, you expect um,
Speaker 1: you know, people screaming at you and yelling, But I
Speaker 1: never expected twenty one thousand people to be yelling fuck
Speaker 1: you Draymond like and and then You're running down the
Speaker 1: court and on the sideline is fucking bitch, And I'm like, whoa,
Speaker 1: Like he's a guy has some shortest saying everything except
Speaker 1: the in word almost it's like. And so I was
Speaker 1: a little thrown off by on top of I was
Speaker 1: struggling playing, and so what you dive into is you're
Speaker 1: struggling playing. I mean, it is your game, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't really dive into that. I was struggling, and so
Speaker 1: I'm like wow, and I think he visibly saw that,
Speaker 1: and so I think the emotion coming out Game four.
Speaker 1: I told him at the end of game for for
Speaker 1: all the people that say Stephan Clay carries you to
Speaker 1: a championship, great thanks. I got four of them. Um,
Speaker 1: But at the end of game for on the court,
Speaker 1: I said thank you because they were going to fucking
Speaker 1: destroy me, like I appreciate it. And he's like, nah, now,
Speaker 1: how you know what's up? Like this is what it is.
Speaker 1: And so now fast forward into game six. In the
Speaker 1: overall feeling for him, Listen, we we we know the
Speaker 1: day and age we live in. We know how important
Speaker 1: the media is. You know, we always speak on new
Speaker 1: media and all this stuff, but the media is important.
Speaker 1: Like I always say, it baffles me that media doesn't
Speaker 1: look at this thing as a partnership, because the reality
Speaker 1: is our thing don't work without them. It does not
Speaker 1: grow to be doing eight to ten billion dollars of
Speaker 1: revenue or whatever it's doing without the media. On the
Speaker 1: flip side, they had nothing to talk about during COVID
Speaker 1: when no one was playing. So none of this works
Speaker 1: without the other. And it baffles me that it's not
Speaker 1: viewed as more of a partnership. And I felt that
Speaker 1: for Steph, he's been ridiculed and you're talking to a
Speaker 1: guy who who does nothing wrong. Like if you say, yo,
Speaker 1: show me the model citizen, I can show you Steph
Speaker 1: Curry and show you the model citizen like that just
Speaker 1: doesn't do much wrong at all. And he's been ridiculed.
Speaker 1: His talking about his legacy here has no finals MVPs
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. As much as you don't show you
Speaker 1: feel that you feel it, And I know he felt it,
Speaker 1: and so to go on, Um, here's another thing before
Speaker 1: I gone. I think the ultimate sign of respect that
Speaker 1: you can show someone to invite them into your home,
Speaker 1: like that's the ultimate respect you can give me is
Speaker 1: to open the door to your home for me, and
Speaker 1: Steph I felt like opened the door to his home
Speaker 1: for Kevin, and Kevin came in, and God Damnitis is
Speaker 1: home for you too. We all brothers. None of the
Speaker 1: stuff works without Kevin, we all know that. But for
Speaker 1: me to open, for me to open this door for
Speaker 1: you and you come home and then it's successful. I
Speaker 1: feel like that should just go on and on and
Speaker 1: on and on, and then you kind of just abruptly exit,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you look, you know, then you
Speaker 1: have to remember the details. Steph, flying from Japan, redirects
Speaker 1: his plane to not go to San Francisco to come
Speaker 1: to New York, only to find out on Instagram an
Speaker 1: hour before he land that Kevin was coming to the
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets. I think it's all of those emotions wrapped
Speaker 1: up into one and and what you get is a
Speaker 1: Steph Curry talking more ship than me and it's great
Speaker 1: and I absolutely love it. So so there there, there's there.
Speaker 1: There's two parts to this that that partnership, right, there's
Speaker 1: all the things you talked about with Steph, and for
Speaker 1: Steph Curry fans, Golden State Warriors fans, I think the
Speaker 1: fact that he hadn't won the Finals MVP, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that I say this all the time. You know,
Speaker 1: he's he's the only guy that has been twenty five,
Speaker 1: five and five for the finals winning team and not
Speaker 1: one m v P. He did that three times prior
Speaker 1: to this year, so he's been great in the finals.
Speaker 1: So some of that was because of Lebron's performance in fifteen.
Speaker 1: Obviously Iggy being great in that series, starring in his
Speaker 1: role but not being the guy, and and because of that,
Speaker 1: those four votes that went to Lebron, like they didn't
Speaker 1: go to staff or whatever. There is a part of
Speaker 1: this though, where because you guys had one before and
Speaker 1: now that you've won after, Kevin maybe doesn't get enough
Speaker 1: credit for seventeen and eighteen, at least from my perspective,
Speaker 1: And I want to get your opinion on that. Well.
Speaker 1: I think number one, going back to two thousand and fifteen,
Speaker 1: um Andre was absolutely amazing, and I think what it
Speaker 1: came down to when it when when discussing like the
Speaker 1: Finals MVP was I'm not sure if everyone remembers that
Speaker 1: Game six that Andre had for us to win, but
Speaker 1: every time they made a run, he hit a big
Speaker 1: three right wing right corner and then obviously he was
Speaker 1: guarding Lebron. Now I think people would look at it
Speaker 1: and say, but look at Lebron's numbers. But what people
Speaker 1: doesn't understand is you never shut these guys down like
Speaker 1: you don't like you're not gonna look and say, oh, man,
Speaker 1: he held Lebron the seventeen points, like no one fucking
Speaker 1: holds Lebron the seventeen points. Your job is to make
Speaker 1: it tough, and I think Andre made it very tough.
Speaker 1: And then he had a couple of games offensively that
Speaker 1: he was lights out. So then Steph Steph doesn't go
Speaker 1: on to win and Lebron is performing incredible and all
Speaker 1: of those things. But then you fast forward to two
Speaker 1: thousand and seventeen, and I don't think the outside world
Speaker 1: gave Kevin enough credit. I think if you came within
Speaker 1: our organization, Kevin was given all the credit because quite frankly,
Speaker 1: Steph Curry doesn't care, Like he would have never opened
Speaker 1: the door to his home to you if he did care,
Speaker 1: because guess what we know. We know Kevin Durant's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: We know Kevin Durant it's a superstar. Are so if
Speaker 1: I opened my home to you. I'm already accepting the
Speaker 1: fact that I'm sharing my life with you, I'm sharing
Speaker 1: my stage with you. Clearly it's totally fine. And I
Speaker 1: think for us within the organization, we did everything we
Speaker 1: could to make Kevin the comfortable. We did everything we
Speaker 1: could to to let him know just like this is
Speaker 1: our home, this is your home too, brother. But the
Speaker 1: outside world did it. The outside world. He's joining the
Speaker 1: team that won seventy three games. He's he's joining the
Speaker 1: team that already won a championship, and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But the reality is is, I don't think that team
Speaker 1: wins another championship if Kevin doesn't come. Now. You may say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: but y'all won the fourth one without Kevin. But there's
Speaker 1: a gap in there where teams started to figure us out.
Speaker 1: And would you would you guys have beat Houston those
Speaker 1: two years without Kevin. Yeah, we was beating him for sure.
Speaker 1: That team was never gonna beat us. It just was
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. We would not have beat the Calves
Speaker 1: coming back around without Kevin. And here's why teams have
Speaker 1: figured us out. And I personally don't think at that
Speaker 1: point Steph Curry had figured out I'm going to get
Speaker 1: a bucket whenever I want to. I don't think he
Speaker 1: was capable of that yet. I think he was still
Speaker 1: growing into that. And so because of that, once teams
Speaker 1: started to figure our offense out, we were starting to
Speaker 1: struggle more and more. I'm not sure if you remember
Speaker 1: that series of Okay, see where we were down three
Speaker 1: to one and we had to come back, And that's
Speaker 1: because teams have started to figure it out. And so
Speaker 1: what what then, in turn end up happening was Steph
Speaker 1: still creates all the havoc that he fucking creates. Like
Speaker 1: I tweeted, Steph faced so many double teams and Kevin didn't.
Speaker 1: That's a fact. Like you can go look at the
Speaker 1: numbers or just watch the game if you can analyze
Speaker 1: the game better than Skip Bayless. And if you watch
Speaker 1: the game, then you see that steps getting double team,
Speaker 1: and Tyler then goes publicly and say I'm double team
Speaker 1: and Steph Curry every chance I get. Kevin wasn't getting
Speaker 1: double team. But the reality is is we got to
Speaker 1: a point where we needed to be able to give
Speaker 1: someone the ball that can just go get a bucket,
Speaker 1: and Kevin was already there. I don't think Steph was
Speaker 1: there yet, so it gets us through those two years.
Speaker 1: We get those we get those two championships, but while
Speaker 1: we're doing that, Steph is continuing to work and evolving
Speaker 1: and most importantly becoming the strongest dude on our team.
Speaker 1: Until this day, he's the strongest guy on the team.
Speaker 1: And that allowed him to score whenever he wanted because
Speaker 1: you can no longer bump him off his path. Like
Speaker 1: I think about the dry against Al Horford when he
Speaker 1: was picking on Al Horford in the fourth quarter Game six.
Speaker 1: You you think about the drive that he had where
Speaker 1: he boom, boom boom, and then he just drove. Al
Speaker 1: Horfor's riding his hip and he just lays the ball up. Normally,
Speaker 1: Al Harper would bump him off his path and he's
Speaker 1: ended up shooting a runner. He couldn't bump him off
Speaker 1: his path. And that's where Steph turned the corner and
Speaker 1: he became unstoppable. And now we're able to continue win
Speaker 1: the championships because he's unstoppable. And you think that process
Speaker 1: started while Kevin was there or after Kevin left. I
Speaker 1: think it definitely started when Kevin was there, because in
Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen was when Steph really locked in on
Speaker 1: the way room, and so that's where he kind of
Speaker 1: starts taking that bump and and and kind of bumping
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. And although it didn't show
Speaker 1: it media, because then we were terrible and he broke
Speaker 1: his hand, you started to see in we were still terrible,
Speaker 1: but Steph was carrying us, and he carried us to
Speaker 1: the playing game and we didn't get past it. It's
Speaker 1: probably great because we would have got swept, and that
Speaker 1: would have been the first series wherever got swept. So
Speaker 1: thank god we did make it. But I think you
Speaker 1: started to see it then, that growth and like, oh man,
Speaker 1: nobody can stop this dude now. And I think that
Speaker 1: really changed the complexity of our organization. And I'm pretty
Speaker 1: certain that's why we'll win three or from next for
Speaker 1: NBA Championships. I wanted to try. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: you about I want to ask you about game six. Um,
Speaker 1: what is it like? In particular, what is it like
Speaker 1: to suck the life out of an opposing arena in
Speaker 1: a game? Oh my god, there's no better feeling then
Speaker 1: going into an opposing team's jim and quiet in the crowd.
Speaker 1: But let me rephrase that there used to be no
Speaker 1: better feeling then going into an opposing team's arena and
Speaker 1: quieting the crowd. But quiet in those fox that took
Speaker 1: the cake because they were so loud. Games three and
Speaker 1: then game four they got humble, but they were so loud.
Speaker 1: And then coming into game six, like you just knew
Speaker 1: coming in the game six, they tried to get a
Speaker 1: let's go Celtics chant going in the warm us and
Speaker 1: they might as well be in the g League gym
Speaker 1: because it it I mean, the sound of it was
Speaker 1: like are they cheering? Like they stopped the music and
Speaker 1: they now they did this a couple of games before,
Speaker 1: and like they stopped the music and it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's loud in here. But like they tried
Speaker 1: to chant it and and you could have heard us
Speaker 1: three doing the podcast as quiet as it wasn't there.
Speaker 1: It was absolutely amazing. So now the best ondden in
Speaker 1: the world is going to the Boston Celtics TV Garden
Speaker 1: and quieting the cry. It does not give much better
Speaker 1: than that, It does not. You know, We've done three
Speaker 1: of these live shows and we we always like to
Speaker 1: have a visual component to these live shows, so we
Speaker 1: have actually prepared a video. Unfortunately, we all have to
Speaker 1: get up while the screen rolls down. Draymond and you know,
Speaker 1: mad Dog, Mad Dog and I on stephen a Show
Speaker 1: first take. We Um had some disagreement about Draymond Green
Speaker 1: and his antics, but I just thought we could put
Speaker 1: together a compilation just from this year's playoffs of some
Speaker 1: of Draymond Green's antics. As we closed the five minute
Speaker 1: parking for the first time in his career, final decision goes, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm holding him up, man, Oh this is great, big
Speaker 1: fuck you here. I'll lay the legs. He's gonna be badock.
Speaker 1: Keep his runs right through him. I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: going to see instagram what fight? This ser round took
Speaker 1: exception to Green's legs being on a ass fell Frank
Speaker 1: Will he was six. Raymond Green was the foul y'all.
Speaker 1: Don't be seeing these guys picking with me. Bay just
Speaker 1: refix the face again. That's incredible, right, that's a baby, Draymond.
Speaker 1: I want to get into some of these specific plays
Speaker 1: in a second. I think the most obvious place to
Speaker 1: start here is why are you such a dick? Well,
Speaker 1: that's a nice way of saying it. Um It does
Speaker 1: it does the reality is that I used to be
Speaker 1: a dick, A big dick I used to be. I've changed,
Speaker 1: but but because I used to be such an asshole,
Speaker 1: I think people still feel the need to pick with
Speaker 1: me because going coming in in their mind they think
Speaker 1: I'm coming into being an asshole. Like there's guys that
Speaker 1: I used to bully. Are you in to the bully
Speaker 1: in the league, And like, over the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: I've changed so much that I'll walk up to him
Speaker 1: and be like yo, and and I'm like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: just coming to say how you doing, Like what's up?
Speaker 1: Rather than like you right? They're like, oh, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I'm good, how are you? And then it's a big smile.
Speaker 1: So then you see, like like Grant Williams is picking
Speaker 1: with me the entire series. I'm from sagging all j J.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm with Dick. I don't know with the
Speaker 1: Memphis series in particular, do you respect all the ship
Speaker 1: that they talk or is there a part of you
Speaker 1: where like you guys haven't earned it. Oh no, I
Speaker 1: love it. I think it's absolutely incredible. I love them
Speaker 1: talking ship. I think it's great. You know, I've spoke
Speaker 1: on on the podcast before about Memphis being oblivious to
Speaker 1: the situation, like they're they're you know, serious, it's not
Speaker 1: in it's all. It's actually a compliment. They're young and
Speaker 1: they don't know how big these moments are, so they're
Speaker 1: just oblivious to it. We've been there before, where you're
Speaker 1: just in the moment and you're playing and like I'm
Speaker 1: my third year, were competing for a championship, Like you're
Speaker 1: just in that moment, like you don't know how big
Speaker 1: this moment is. You don't even know. They're getting nervous
Speaker 1: because you don't understand how big the moment is. And
Speaker 1: so I've said that about Memphis, like those young guys,
Speaker 1: they're unfazed by anything, and a large part of the
Speaker 1: reason that they're in pace is because they just don't
Speaker 1: understand how big the moment is. Now, talking shipped to
Speaker 1: the team that won the championship after they beat you,
Speaker 1: after they win the championship is an entirely different level
Speaker 1: of oblivion. It doesn't get much more oblivious than that.
Speaker 1: And I think for them, you're now gonna be expected
Speaker 1: to do that. You're now gonna be expected to win
Speaker 1: these games. And it's not as easy when teams are
Speaker 1: coming for you. And so I think now they're going
Speaker 1: to get their reality check. And it's not that they
Speaker 1: will still be able to win. They may still be
Speaker 1: able to win, but they're going to realize how much
Speaker 1: harder it is for them to win. And now because
Speaker 1: they're talking the way they're talking, they better lose that
Speaker 1: oblivion because they better understand. These moments now are huge,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I love Job, I love his demeanor,
Speaker 1: I love he carry himself. I think being true and
Speaker 1: authentic to yourself it's like the way to go. You've
Speaker 1: shown that, You've shown that, I've shown that in this space,
Speaker 1: like being true to yourself. Authenticity as what sells everyone
Speaker 1: say controversy. Authenticity sells. Authenticity is why Stephen they sell
Speaker 1: not because he creates controversy. That was the case Skip
Speaker 1: Baylors with self, but authenticity selves. And so I absolutely
Speaker 1: love uh Job and everything that he stands for. But
Speaker 1: now you're gonna be expected to do that and don't
Speaker 1: go out there oblivious. You better understand these moments because
Speaker 1: you go out there talking to him about yeah, come,
Speaker 1: I mean to show you the level of oblivion by
Speaker 1: the way I told me on Twitter, Yeah, bringing them
Speaker 1: to them for Christmas. No, nobody's coming to Memphis for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Number one. Number two, the champs don't travel for Christmas.
Speaker 1: And I know everybody you know when you tweet under
Speaker 1: I said, shout out to LJ. Like Braun changed that
Speaker 1: rule years ago, where you win the championship, you play
Speaker 1: at home. So maybe we'll see them them kids in
Speaker 1: UH in the bay for Christmas Day. I would invite
Speaker 1: them over for dinner. They can have dinner with me
Speaker 1: and my family after we beat him on Christmas Day,
Speaker 1: if that game happens. I said this a few times
Speaker 1: during the playoffs while they were still UH playing. So
Speaker 1: through the first round, through the second round. Um, not
Speaker 1: in the same way, but like eerily similar in some
Speaker 1: ways to our Oh nine Magic team that made the finals.
Speaker 1: It's like the first time a group goes through something
Speaker 1: and like has the capability to win a conference, to
Speaker 1: get to the finals. It's it's hard to gauge them
Speaker 1: and assess them in real time, and then of course
Speaker 1: you know they they lose to you, guys, Mr Goody,
Speaker 1: there you go. It's it's like to tell you what's up.
Speaker 1: They'll tell you what's up? Man, point forward podcast, point
Speaker 1: four podcast. But it's it's it's hard to gauge them
Speaker 1: in real time, right, and and then of course they
Speaker 1: lose to you guys. But when you look towards next year,
Speaker 1: sort of like you said, you're gonna win three of
Speaker 1: the next four, great for you. I hope you do. Um,
Speaker 1: but when you look forward in the Western Conference and
Speaker 1: you think about threats, where do you see threats? Your knicks? Wow? Wow,
Speaker 1: where do I see threats? He said to the the West, right,
Speaker 1: can we lead a NIX in Brooklyn out of this?
Speaker 1: He specifically did that, So y'all, don't boom me off
Speaker 1: the stage right away? Um, where do I see threats
Speaker 1: in the West? So I could be Memphis and be
Speaker 1: oblivious to it, or I could understand that they're a
Speaker 1: threat but not a problem. Memphis is a threat because
Speaker 1: they're young and talented. Now will they keep that together?
Speaker 1: Because I think a huge part of them is like
Speaker 1: their camaraderie and being young altogether. But then you see
Speaker 1: they just traded the Anythony Mountain, you know, so you
Speaker 1: start to see those pieces get pulled out and it's
Speaker 1: not the same vibe. So then can they recapture that
Speaker 1: but there a threat, not a problem, but a threat.
Speaker 1: The Clippers got ty Lew as their coach, who I
Speaker 1: arguably it's arguably I mean, I have a great coach myself, uh,
Speaker 1: Steve Kerr. But for the sake of the old media debates,
Speaker 1: ty lewis arguably one of the best coaches in the NBA,
Speaker 1: arguably the best. You know, someone can make that argument. Um,
Speaker 1: And then they have great players Kawhi, Leonard, Paul George,
Speaker 1: the guys that they're filling in around them with you go,
Speaker 1: you go pull a trade off and get Robert Covington
Speaker 1: and and um and uh Norman Poe and you already
Speaker 1: have Marcus Morris there and Reggie Jackson. They're a real threat.
Speaker 1: But tune mate probably will resign there, Like that's a
Speaker 1: real threat, um, and a problem. Like they're a threat
Speaker 1: and a problem. But other than that, were you surprised?
Speaker 1: Were you surprised? Uh, Dallas got there? I'm sorry, Dallas
Speaker 1: is a threat because they have one of the best
Speaker 1: players to play. And when you have like like by
Speaker 1: all means, don't get it twisted. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons we want to finals, but we had the
Speaker 1: best player on the court. Every series we played there,
Speaker 1: So your your chances are winning goes through the route.
Speaker 1: In most series that Luca Donche plays in, He's gonna
Speaker 1: be the best player on the floor. So because of that,
Speaker 1: you'll always give yourself a chance. And then they got
Speaker 1: Nico Harrison, who I mean, you and I both know
Speaker 1: how Nike negotiating. That was Nico negotiating those contracts. So
Speaker 1: they got Nico doing the job with Jake Kidd and
Speaker 1: and and I think they're secret ingredient to their thing
Speaker 1: is Jared Dully. Jared Dully is one of the smartest
Speaker 1: guys that I've been around when it comes to basketball,
Speaker 1: and you know does does it? Is very smart. So
Speaker 1: I think that's their seeking agreeing. So Memphis, I mean,
Speaker 1: Dallas is a threat. I can't quite say their problem yet,
Speaker 1: but they are on a big threat. Memphis is a
Speaker 1: little threat. Dallas is a big threat. I want to
Speaker 1: actually go back for a second because I did have
Speaker 1: a question about this videos. Um, when you're on the ground,
Speaker 1: why do you try to pull people's pants down here?
Speaker 1: You know, Well, there's a legit reason. I want you
Speaker 1: to explain it. It's the same reason I got kicked
Speaker 1: out of the fucking NBA Finals. No, man, it's just
Speaker 1: gonna step and stand over me. I'm sorry, I have
Speaker 1: a kid watching at home, my kids at most games.
Speaker 1: But like, how am I supposed to explain the dj
Speaker 1: uh daddy? Why is that dude standing over you while
Speaker 1: you laying on the ground, like because I I can't
Speaker 1: explain that. But what I can explain is why I'm
Speaker 1: pulling up on him. So because he's standing up, I
Speaker 1: can explain that. You know, I don't want my two
Speaker 1: daughters seeing a guy standing over me that I can't
Speaker 1: respect that. And so why do I pull the shorts
Speaker 1: Is because my core isn't tight enough to just get
Speaker 1: myself up. So he used to short, Yeah I'm shorts
Speaker 1: to give me up. But I'll tell you what about
Speaker 1: pulling shorts. When Jalen Brown went in the media and
Speaker 1: said he trying and pull my shorts down, I knew
Speaker 1: I took his heart. I knew I took his heart,
Speaker 1: and not that I'll have it next year. I gotta
Speaker 1: regain it next year and next next time we're playing.
Speaker 1: But I knew for the rest of that series I
Speaker 1: had him because you know, you're standing over me and
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to the media and said he was
Speaker 1: trying to pull my shorts down, Like, come on, bro,
Speaker 1: you're standing over me, like on it. I gotta tell
Speaker 1: all he's standing on that. You gotta stand on business.
Speaker 1: And when he said, oh, tell your alarm off man,
Speaker 1: we're pretty cool. We're pretty cool. We are pretty cool.
Speaker 1: When he said he's trying to pull my it's two
Speaker 1: things that Jason Brown went to the media said. And
Speaker 1: one thing these young guys are gonna learn, like, hey man,
Speaker 1: you better pay attention to what you say because somebody
Speaker 1: else is watching. He said he tried to pull my
Speaker 1: shorts down. I said, yeah, I got him. It reminded
Speaker 1: me a lot of you remember the clip of Alonso
Speaker 1: Morning and Dennis Robin and Dennis Robins talking to him
Speaker 1: in Alonso like this motherfucker's crazy. When he said that,
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I got him. But another thing he said,
Speaker 1: and I sent it to our team, he said, we
Speaker 1: are not afraid of to go to Stay Warriors. I
Speaker 1: sent it to our team in the group chat and said,
Speaker 1: we are afraid of to go to Stay Worrise because
Speaker 1: nobody asked you or y'all afraid of us? Why then
Speaker 1: are you talking about that. He's like, we are not
Speaker 1: afraid of them. Uh, we will do this and we'll
Speaker 1: do that. I knew at that point. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is this is baby food, and this is over
Speaker 1: and we're gonna walk on out of here with the championship.
Speaker 1: So to answer your question, I answered your question. I
Speaker 1: pull up on the shorts that I got no other
Speaker 1: way of getting up, and I can't. I can't just
Speaker 1: later and like, imagine, imagine if I was trying to
Speaker 1: get up like this, it's all way. That's how I
Speaker 1: got to get up. So I pulled myself up and
Speaker 1: it works. It works. It looks worse than SloMo. It
Speaker 1: honestly does. It looks worse than SloMo. Well, one thing
Speaker 1: we are certain of is the NBA definitely reacts to
Speaker 1: social media, and so y'all make sure y'all blast that
Speaker 1: clip of me saying I got bad core and I'm
Speaker 1: pulling up on the shorts to give myself up so
Speaker 1: when it happened next year, they won't suspend me. My
Speaker 1: second question about that video, very specifically, the when you
Speaker 1: foul Jalen Brown and you decided to move your legs
Speaker 1: to the right and rest them on his shoulders instead
Speaker 1: of just naturally going to the left. It seemed it
Speaker 1: seemed like you decided at the beginning game too, that
Speaker 1: you were just going to be an asshole that night.
Speaker 1: And I want because I actually have said this on
Speaker 1: ESPN on the podcast. It seemed like after game one,
Speaker 1: you guys lose, You didn't play particularly well. You admitted
Speaker 1: that on the podcast. Going into game two, you were like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna reek havoc no matter what. I also
Speaker 1: told you all I was going to I was shocked
Speaker 1: at the reaction of everyone after game two because I
Speaker 1: told you all what they say. They're watching your podcast
Speaker 1: and taking clues with them. And I told you all
Speaker 1: I was gonna act to as going into game too,
Speaker 1: because I was awful in game one. The reality is
Speaker 1: that I wasn't really awful, but you know we drove.
Speaker 1: I drove that, and so I'll take that. But I
Speaker 1: told you all like I was soft. We were soft.
Speaker 1: We let them come into our house and get him win.
Speaker 1: We hadn't lost at home. I felt like I could
Speaker 1: go out there and bully them a little bit, and
Speaker 1: sure enough I was. And I hear their coach on
Speaker 1: the sideline and yell at stop talking to him. Why
Speaker 1: are y'all talking to him? Just stop, leave him alone.
Speaker 1: Don't get into that with him. And I said, you
Speaker 1: know what, I need to do more, And everybody's like,
Speaker 1: everybody's like, slow down, you're gonna get ejected. I told
Speaker 1: my mom, I said, Mom, and my fiance, by the way,
Speaker 1: I blame my Game three performance on them. They dogged
Speaker 1: me after that game, like why are you like this?
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. You need to carry yourself better, blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: and and so I knew that. I told my mom,
Speaker 1: I said, Mom, we are better off with me getting
Speaker 1: ejected and causing a bunch of haf it, then we
Speaker 1: are me just going out there and playing so off
Speaker 1: and going through the game and me standing in the game,
Speaker 1: because if I get ejected on that type of time,
Speaker 1: our team can win. I got benched in game four.
Speaker 1: We still one like our team can win. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make sure I get them on that type of time.
Speaker 1: And so for me, it was like I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: go in and I'm gonna create this mindset of just
Speaker 1: totally disrespect these dudes and destroy them. And if I
Speaker 1: can create their mindset. Whether I get ejected or not,
Speaker 1: we're better than them. They're gonna just keep this going
Speaker 1: and we'll win this game whether I get thrown out
Speaker 1: or not. So that was how I felt, and I
Speaker 1: rolled with it, and I I mean, I don't think
Speaker 1: I deserve to get kicked out though, which most people
Speaker 1: said I did. But it is what it is. Did
Speaker 1: you did you think it was easier at all because
Speaker 1: these guys had not been there before versus like when
Speaker 1: you're playing the Calves and they know what you're about
Speaker 1: to do. Well, it's easier because we're not playing Lebron James, right,
Speaker 1: Andred Andred No, Like they asked me a question. They
Speaker 1: asked me a question to press conference, like how do
Speaker 1: the i q s rank against the Boston and Lebron? Like,
Speaker 1: shut up, like what are we talking about. It's easier
Speaker 1: because you're not playing Lebron James, who was like the
Speaker 1: ultimate mastermind in our game, and so you're not playing
Speaker 1: that chess match for him, and like it's a lot
Speaker 1: easier to play chess match with anybody else, but against
Speaker 1: Lebron is different, and Bron can Brian can prepare his
Speaker 1: guys for what's to come, Al Horford couldn't prepare them
Speaker 1: for what was to come. So you know that going in,
Speaker 1: and you know, no, no disrespect to our Horford Horford
Speaker 1: catching trays, Al Horford catching trays. I'm just saying, well,
Speaker 1: Al Horford also did this in game one, and then
Speaker 1: he did it in Game six and I laughed at
Speaker 1: him and they lost, but like they didn't know what
Speaker 1: to expect, and like going into that being in the
Speaker 1: finest five times, like you understand what to do with
Speaker 1: your family, you know, you understand what to do with
Speaker 1: your friends, like you understand all of these things. I
Speaker 1: put my kids on a totally different floor in the
Speaker 1: hotel room, because you just need to stay locked into
Speaker 1: that moment. And so I knew. I knew that they
Speaker 1: weren't truly ready and prepared for that moment, and I
Speaker 1: knew we would be able to lean on that, and
Speaker 1: short enough we did. After Game three, you guys lose.
Speaker 1: It seemed like Boston was the younger team, the bigger team,
Speaker 1: the more athletic team. I know y'all all said it, faster, stronger, bigger,
Speaker 1: more people said it. I may have said it as well.
Speaker 1: What I'm not lumping you in with what what? What?
Speaker 1: What changed? Though? Like because we can get into pick
Speaker 1: and roll coverage and uh, the turnovers and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: But what changed Game four, Game five, Game six, number one?
Speaker 1: Game four, I figured out if you you send most
Speaker 1: of those guys left, it was not good, um, And
Speaker 1: so that I thought was a huge adjustment for us,
Speaker 1: and like faith like shading them guys to their left
Speaker 1: hand because they were so dangerous going right and they
Speaker 1: were just getting us in the right slot driving the basketball.
Speaker 1: You have to come over to help. They're kicking it
Speaker 1: out and now your whole defense is broken down. And
Speaker 1: that's what they were doing. And son, like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to force the left. See what they do. They
Speaker 1: start dripping a bitch off their foot and like all
Speaker 1: types of stuff. So I'm like, okay, we got some here.
Speaker 1: This is great. But what really changed was we knew
Speaker 1: Game one they shouldn't have won that game. We gave
Speaker 1: it away. They got hot. Everybody like went up in arms,
Speaker 1: and I was like, those three guys would have once
Speaker 1: that making shots will be all right, But like you
Speaker 1: know that, Like it reminds me of in game seven
Speaker 1: when I had that credible Game seven. After that guys suspended, Like,
Speaker 1: that's all finding Danny and that's great, But if Stephan
Speaker 1: Clay not making shots, it's gonna be hard for us
Speaker 1: to get over the hump. When I got thirty three
Speaker 1: or thirty nine, it's gonna be hard for us to
Speaker 1: get over the hump if they're struggling. I think seven great.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I never watched that game for that game,
Speaker 1: but like, if those two don't got it, because we
Speaker 1: all feed off of them. So if I'm scoring, they
Speaker 1: can't feed off that. But if they're scoring, the whole
Speaker 1: defense overreacts and then we all feed off of that.
Speaker 1: And I thought for those guys, they didn't. Now you
Speaker 1: look at those games that they won, and I'm like, like,
Speaker 1: we should have won both of these games. But going
Speaker 1: into game four, we knew that the only thing we
Speaker 1: had to do was forced them to beat us, not
Speaker 1: beat ourselves. We beat ourselves in game one, we beat
Speaker 1: ourselves in game three. Let's force them to beat us
Speaker 1: and they weren't capable. Um, we're gonna bring up a
Speaker 1: special guest real quick to talk about new media. The
Speaker 1: reason that we did not bring up this guest earlier
Speaker 1: in the show is because he can talk for a
Speaker 1: long time, and I didn't want him to be a
Speaker 1: distraction for the show. So if he's around, can we
Speaker 1: bring on stephen A Smith? Please? This is about to
Speaker 1: get good. Oh they liked the new media here, they
Speaker 1: didn't share for you. I think, you know what. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest with you, guys. I think that stephen
Speaker 1: A deserves a better applause than that. Let's get this
Speaker 1: pass love absolutely, I appreciate it, but I I thought
Speaker 1: that at first Toplose was good enough. I was good
Speaker 1: with it. Let's go with it before we get to
Speaker 1: the new media. Is there anything that Draymond has said
Speaker 1: so far that you disagree with? What what you see?
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Draymond is my dude, man, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he listen. I don't have to agree with
Speaker 1: with him. I agree with him most of the time,
Speaker 1: I truly do. You know when he talked about my men,
Speaker 1: Skip bait as we we slightly disagree with that, you know,
Speaker 1: but but you know, as I've told Skip on several occasions,
Speaker 1: you know, and Skip ain't scared to eat it, you know,
Speaker 1: just because that's my man. He's the one that brought
Speaker 1: me on first. Take him, always has some love for him,
Speaker 1: but that don't mean I agree with everything that he says.
Speaker 1: And so when a player collapsed back at him the
Speaker 1: way Russell Westbrook did the other day or whatever, or
Speaker 1: Draymond did others have done, you gotta handle that, you know.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that you know, I've
Speaker 1: I've often told people on first take, you know, this
Speaker 1: is a place for authenticity. You cannot talk about people
Speaker 1: and then get sensitive when they talk about you. Now
Speaker 1: you can address what they say. That's entirely different, different
Speaker 1: than trying to address who they are. And so I'm
Speaker 1: very very specific about that. Honestly, That's one of the
Speaker 1: things that I truly respect about you. And I get
Speaker 1: piste off when when media start talking about all this
Speaker 1: other ship punching guys in the face and like all
Speaker 1: this other stuff, and my whole cry about all of
Speaker 1: this or not crying, but it's let's talk about basketball. Like,
Speaker 1: if we can talk about basketball, that's the discussion, that's
Speaker 1: what the topic should be. Let's keep it basketball. And
Speaker 1: I think so many any times and when I speak
Speaker 1: of the new media and everybody's like, oh, but no
Speaker 1: one wants to just hear you talk exces and oos.
Speaker 1: It's not just exces and oose, but it's a way
Speaker 1: you go about your business. It's a mindset of how
Speaker 1: you go about your business. And it's the reason that
Speaker 1: on the podcast I said stephen A, you you you
Speaker 1: kind of part of new media too. You know, there's
Speaker 1: there's some stuff that I was personally shocked he put
Speaker 1: you as part of the new media. I was shocked.
Speaker 1: The reality is, and I'm not just saying this because
Speaker 1: you sat here, because I've said it. When you're not
Speaker 1: sitting here, you tell the truth. Good battering different whether
Speaker 1: you like the truth or not, you tell the truth. Now,
Speaker 1: he do get to doing some of that old media
Speaker 1: stuff till sometimes and that we have to get on
Speaker 1: about that. But there's a real appreciation for how you
Speaker 1: go about your business. And most importantly, what I appreciate
Speaker 1: and what I don't appreciate quite about others is there's
Speaker 1: not much authenticity authenticity to others. But you're authentic and
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, and I applaud that. I appreciate you man,
Speaker 1: thank you. I would say this. He got me there,
Speaker 1: you know, because he was like Steve, my friend, you
Speaker 1: you you're partner the new media too. And then he
Speaker 1: broke down the definition of new media, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: he's right, he's got a point. You know he got
Speaker 1: he got me there because you know, you got a
Speaker 1: lot of folks in media, and one of the things
Speaker 1: that I try to encourage folks to listen, I played
Speaker 1: college ball and I got injured. But even if I
Speaker 1: was a healthy I couldn't shine y'all shoes. That's just
Speaker 1: the fact. Okay, I wasn't gonna get to the NBA.
Speaker 1: I wasn't good enough, damnit. Period. There are things that
Speaker 1: pro athletes know that we don't know because y'all experience
Speaker 1: it in the locker room. You know what goes on.
Speaker 1: What I try to do, it's make sure you know.
Speaker 1: As I told you, j J, it's not that I
Speaker 1: know what you know. It's that I know enough because
Speaker 1: I've been reporting on the game that case to say,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, there is more to this story. You're
Speaker 1: gonna give it to me a not. That's the key you.
Speaker 1: The problem is you got too many people in media
Speaker 1: that want to act like they know what you know. No,
Speaker 1: you can't compete with dudes that are actually doing it.
Speaker 1: What you can't do is say covering the sport and
Speaker 1: giving you an overview, following it, reporting on it, cultivating
Speaker 1: resources given, being given intel, learning what you learned. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what I know, this is what I've heard.
Speaker 1: What you gotta say about that? See when you do that,
Speaker 1: then y'all have nowhere to go. Now when you talk
Speaker 1: about where I would get on Draymond about is when
Speaker 1: when when Cedric Maxwell, for example, said what he said
Speaker 1: about Cedric Maxwell is a former player, right, and I
Speaker 1: don't think dred Cedric was saying, hey, he would have
Speaker 1: punched you in the face. He was talking about the
Speaker 1: culture that existed in the eighties. Now the media will
Speaker 1: bring that up. Now, if the media sets up thing
Speaker 1: says they would do it or should that should happen
Speaker 1: to you, that's crossing the line. But if they said, well,
Speaker 1: back in the day, the way that they played, that
Speaker 1: would have happened, you got guys that would take it
Speaker 1: as if the media is saying that's what they would do.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, if you're gonna be critical, listen
Speaker 1: or what not that you didn't do that, because you
Speaker 1: did listen, But you got a lot of cats that
Speaker 1: they don't listen. They will read the headline, you read
Speaker 1: the article, you didn't watch the clip, your boys came
Speaker 1: up to your family members, whomever, and they come up
Speaker 1: to you saying, I can't tell you how many times
Speaker 1: somebody came at me. I was like, did you see
Speaker 1: what I said? Did you hear it? Did you appreciate
Speaker 1: the context? Because you want context when we're talking about you.
Speaker 1: What about context when you're coming back at me? And so,
Speaker 1: But the key is not to run. See where you
Speaker 1: lose is when you never go to the games where
Speaker 1: you never talked to the athletes, where you never talked
Speaker 1: to the coaches, the executives or anybody, and then you
Speaker 1: just want to go out there and run your mouth.
Speaker 1: I pride myself and not being hard to find. Anybody
Speaker 1: who's ever worked with me knows the only reason you
Speaker 1: don't see me in the locker room, it is because them.
Speaker 1: They got me to do many shows, and I just
Speaker 1: don't have time to get to and and the only
Speaker 1: time I the only place I have time to get
Speaker 1: to is the next and I'll be dead if I'm
Speaker 1: going to the next game. But so much I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna let them depress me anymore than they already had. Stephen, I,
Speaker 1: I appreciate you trying to be self deprecating about your
Speaker 1: basketball scale, but let's acknowledge you once made seventeen threes
Speaker 1: in a row, and and and and and and you
Speaker 1: know when when the Sailor State brought me down, That's
Speaker 1: how I got my scholarship. I drilled seventeen threes in
Speaker 1: a row and never made a damn jump shot since.
Speaker 1: But but that day I was all world show up
Speaker 1: in the moment, So it got me a full str
Speaker 1: just for for everybody here. And obviously you know people
Speaker 1: who are going to listen to our podcast this week
Speaker 1: and and see our our videos on YouTube, and you
Speaker 1: you beautifully explain explained new media. And I have the
Speaker 1: quote on phone, but I would like you to just
Speaker 1: kind of explain because I said this on your show
Speaker 1: ten days ago. I said, I would love for Draymond
Speaker 1: to explain what new media is. Can you explain what
Speaker 1: it is? Um most people think, And I know that
Speaker 1: was kind of the perception of the media as well
Speaker 1: when I first started saying, like the new By the way,
Speaker 1: the leader of the new media is J. J. Reddick.
Speaker 1: Just so y'all know it's not me, this guy on
Speaker 1: TV every day holding it down. So I got a
Speaker 1: lot of appreciation for j J. But he picked against you.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, I know that's totally fun. See, I don't.
Speaker 1: I didn't change. I didn't change my pick. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't have a problem. I don't have
Speaker 1: a problem with somebody picking against us. Stand on it,
Speaker 1: be knowledgeable and don't just pick against you because you're
Speaker 1: a hater. Don't pick against us because you're a hater.
Speaker 1: And so that's what I have a problem with. There's
Speaker 1: no hate there. He had analysis that ship was wrong,
Speaker 1: but he did analyze, and so he gotta get the
Speaker 1: way you call me, dick, I gotta get you back. Um.
Speaker 1: But the new media, and like I said, everyone thought,
Speaker 1: I'm speaking like athletes doing podcasts or athletes doing media.
Speaker 1: Like athletes been doing podcasts JJ ready, c J McCullough.
Speaker 1: Athletes has been doing media like you've been seeing athletes
Speaker 1: go up on the stage and and try to debate
Speaker 1: with Stephen that he tried to get me up there.
Speaker 1: I'm no food. I didn't go to law school, not
Speaker 1: going up there. But I'll go on to Stephen A
Speaker 1: show I'm not going to debate on first take, but
Speaker 1: the new media, the new media, I think when when
Speaker 1: you look at the game of basketball, what's been lost
Speaker 1: is I can turn on the TV and I can
Speaker 1: learn about the game of basketball. I I can I
Speaker 1: can get the exs and ose and the ins and outs,
Speaker 1: and the understanding that there's a game within the game. See,
Speaker 1: most fans don't understand that there are so many little
Speaker 1: games within the game, and if you don't understand them,
Speaker 1: you'll miss them. And so when I said the new media,
Speaker 1: I'm saying analyzing these things, talking about the game, and
Speaker 1: understanding giving flowers when flowers is due, and not just
Speaker 1: trying to bash a guy every chance that I get like, no,
Speaker 1: it's okay to give flowers because you you think about
Speaker 1: the old damn age, like guys get mad that we
Speaker 1: hang together or that we work out together. It's the
Speaker 1: old mindset. And I feel like in media we see
Speaker 1: a lot of that same mindset and you're criticized with
Speaker 1: that same mindset, and I don't understand it. And so
Speaker 1: for me, the new media is simple, It's very simple.
Speaker 1: It's and it's actually analyzing the game of basketball. It's
Speaker 1: actually giving those flowers when flowers is due. It's being critical.
Speaker 1: It's not just saying, oh, man, Steph Curry was great
Speaker 1: and when he wasn't great, I'm not gonna speak on it.
Speaker 1: Be very critical, but tell us the whole truth and
Speaker 1: break down while Steph Curry wasn't great, don't just tell
Speaker 1: me Steph Curry was bad he did this, or or
Speaker 1: you don't say he did this. He was bad, he
Speaker 1: was terrible. His legacy is gonna be hurt, and it's that.
Speaker 1: But why was he terrible? Can you explain that to me?
Speaker 1: Can you help me the Irish fan that don't quite
Speaker 1: understand on stephen A's level, he explains, but who don't
Speaker 1: quite understand on some of the other guys level. Can
Speaker 1: you help me better understand what you're saying? And I
Speaker 1: think that's been lost and and and what's replaced it
Speaker 1: is titles and headlines and hot takes for click bait.
Speaker 1: There's a flip side to that story. Everything that Draymond
Speaker 1: Green just said to y'all is total truth. It's just
Speaker 1: that there's more to it. For example, you could know
Speaker 1: exactly what you're talking about, and because you're not in
Speaker 1: that locker room, there's a slewer players that will never
Speaker 1: admit it. See what I believe Draymond Green misses is
Speaker 1: that he's one of the most authentic, real, honest brothers
Speaker 1: in professional sports. Let me give you the flip side
Speaker 1: to you and j J. J J is an honest dude,
Speaker 1: a brilliant mind, brilliant I didn't. I'm giving him that
Speaker 1: for free so much so I can tell you right
Speaker 1: now there are people who absolutely, positively, positively love the
Speaker 1: ground that JJ walks on. And then there are people
Speaker 1: that despise him when they watch him on television because
Speaker 1: they think he's just so argant. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: like this. He's incredibly knowledgeable, he knows it, and he's
Speaker 1: not apologizing for it. I love it. It works for
Speaker 1: first take, it works for television. Why would I want
Speaker 1: him to be any different. But here's the thing, Draymond.
Speaker 1: It's all the things that I mentioned plus outspoken. J
Speaker 1: J is a kind of person that on depending on
Speaker 1: his mood, on a particular day, he'll explain and on
Speaker 1: another day, I don't feel like talking to ignorant as now,
Speaker 1: he won't say it, but that's his attitudeage go here
Speaker 1: we go. He says it with his body language. And
Speaker 1: so what happens is if you know that, understand there's
Speaker 1: an abundance of people out there who will come and
Speaker 1: have some semblness of the truth. But if they're not
Speaker 1: in that locker room with you, and then everyone day
Speaker 1: walk into ain't Draymond. And so where do you go
Speaker 1: from there? You're talking about the game. You've talked to
Speaker 1: the coach, you've talked to other players, you've talked to
Speaker 1: an executive, you've watched with your own two eyes. You
Speaker 1: lean on your level of knowledge from years of watching
Speaker 1: the sport, and you did do this opinion. If everyone
Speaker 1: was like Draymond, Draymond would have his point would be unimpeachable.
Speaker 1: The problem is most dudes ain't. And so as a
Speaker 1: result of it, and now you've got the other stuff
Speaker 1: to lean on. Then as another point, you do have
Speaker 1: dudes who paved the way for the Reddicks, the Draymonds
Speaker 1: and others. They will never admit. They pick up the
Speaker 1: phone or they text and they called Stephen A and
Speaker 1: various others. Hold them accountable, say this, say that, don't
Speaker 1: let him off the hook. You wouldn't have let us
Speaker 1: off the hook. Come on, now there's a standard here,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. So then we sound old school.
Speaker 1: But what somebody like me, speaking solely for myself in
Speaker 1: this particular situation, I'm letting the modern day player know
Speaker 1: this is what they're saying about you. I'm not telling
Speaker 1: you who. I'm not even saying that's saying it. But
Speaker 1: I'm looking at y'all like, what the hell do you
Speaker 1: think I get this room? Why the hell would I
Speaker 1: bring up something from Why would I bring up something
Speaker 1: from nineteen nine, that's thirty years ago? Why would I
Speaker 1: do that? I want y'all to know. Listen, there's a
Speaker 1: standard when they go and they talk to the league
Speaker 1: when they go and they talk to other owners when
Speaker 1: they go and they talk to other executives and coaches
Speaker 1: and scouts and player developmental developmental guys and all of
Speaker 1: this other stuff. They're saying these things about y'all, and
Speaker 1: a lot of times, a lot of times, I'd say
Speaker 1: ninety percent of the time, it's people within the same
Speaker 1: locker room. People was in the same organization. And so
Speaker 1: when Snoop Dogg came on my radio show one day,
Speaker 1: because Snoop Dogg and I have talked on many occasions.
Speaker 1: Obviously he was like, you ain't selling out. You looking out,
Speaker 1: That's what he was saying. He's like, you tipping them
Speaker 1: off about what I was doing a commercial with be
Speaker 1: Small Manshawn Lett and he was like, yo, man, I
Speaker 1: didn't know you. What is coud? I did now because
Speaker 1: I said to him, I'm telling you, and I don't
Speaker 1: have everybody's number, and I don't have time to call everybody,
Speaker 1: but if I say it, I got it from somewhere.
Speaker 1: And so what I appreciate is guys like him more
Speaker 1: smart enough to know, yeah, he's doing his homework, but
Speaker 1: people calling them people and and stuff. He ain't just
Speaker 1: blowing smoke because you could read between the lines and
Speaker 1: outside of that. Again, when you talk about new media,
Speaker 1: all of that comes with it because see, for me,
Speaker 1: I love the fact that y'all got podcasts. I love
Speaker 1: the fact that y'all are making newis. I love the
Speaker 1: fact that y'all are resonated. But you know what I
Speaker 1: love most the fact that y'all ain't scared to talk
Speaker 1: to somebody like me. In other words, let's get it on.
Speaker 1: You got sitting on your mind, j J, look me
Speaker 1: dead in my face. I don't know what the hell
Speaker 1: you're talking about. This makes no sense whatsoever. I like,
Speaker 1: I'll see your teleni clock, let's go. That's the way
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be, and then we're in the segment.
Speaker 1: We smile, give each other, hug, see them all. That's
Speaker 1: why it's supposed to. What point in your career did
Speaker 1: you start to figure this out. I think I started
Speaker 1: to figure it out probably like five years ago. And
Speaker 1: I know there's kind of this conception of like Draymond's
Speaker 1: I've spoken, he'll say whatever, But sometimes it takes me
Speaker 1: a while to come around the things too, and like
Speaker 1: to let those things out. And that's why I held
Speaker 1: them in for so long. But that's kind of the
Speaker 1: same reason why you're sitting a huge eruption now, because
Speaker 1: I've held these thoughts in for so long and for
Speaker 1: me personally, and and starting to try the media thing out,
Speaker 1: I'm like, there's a certain way that I want to
Speaker 1: do it, because there's a certain thing that I would
Speaker 1: want to watch on TV that you can't get much
Speaker 1: of on TV today, and so there's a certain way
Speaker 1: that I want to do it, and I've tried to
Speaker 1: stick to that and follow that game plan. But most important,
Speaker 1: it's just being authentic to myself. And where I would
Speaker 1: challenge stephen A and what he just said is just
Speaker 1: getting a free episode of First Take. Maybe not free
Speaker 1: because you bought to take it, but the bonus episode
Speaker 1: where I would challenge stephen A is it's those guys.
Speaker 1: And we won't go deep into this today. We'll go
Speaker 1: deep into this another time. But those guys who's calling
Speaker 1: from the eighties and guy who played in eighty five
Speaker 1: and nineties is those are the same guys that say
Speaker 1: the league is softer today and it's way as softer
Speaker 1: than it was and not as physical, And like, what's
Speaker 1: softer is the cause the players didn't get softer. We
Speaker 1: didn't start stop battling, we didn't stop being physical. What's
Speaker 1: softer is you you pull a little jersey with your
Speaker 1: pinky and it's a flavor filing. You're kicked out of
Speaker 1: a game, Like that's what's softer. And so you have
Speaker 1: these guys from the eight and nineties centric Maxwell, who's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you get punched in the face, and what did I say?
Speaker 1: But y'all weren't really punching people in the face like
Speaker 1: that like they act like they was out there fighting
Speaker 1: like hockey and and they weren't. And so for me, yes,
Speaker 1: they are calling you giving you that intel, but it's
Speaker 1: like exactly what I said in the beginning. They're my
Speaker 1: mindsets are totally different. And I respect those guys they
Speaker 1: did pay the way. I appreciate all of them, like
Speaker 1: I'm all for for those guys, but they're mindsets are
Speaker 1: totally different, and their mindset though, what we're saying is
Speaker 1: they said it, But what we're really leaning on is
Speaker 1: how the league has basically enforced a whole bunch of
Speaker 1: stuff that has made the game soft. Yeah, that's why
Speaker 1: I disagree with you on this, and Draymond, I talked
Speaker 1: about this earlier. I again, I told you this two
Speaker 1: weeks ago. I spent two hours one day, three hours
Speaker 1: another day, four hours another day. I watched eighty one
Speaker 1: game four UH finals. I watched eighties seven game six finals.
Speaker 1: I watched ninety three game four finals when Jordan had
Speaker 1: fifty five. I watched this ship every every minute of
Speaker 1: the YouTube game. The game is not more physical. Fouls
Speaker 1: were more physical. You were allowed to get away with
Speaker 1: harder fouls. The game is not more physical. People people
Speaker 1: bring up, but people bring up hand checking like people
Speaker 1: don't even know. You couldn't hand check in a scoring area.
Speaker 1: You could hand check from free throw line to free
Speaker 1: throw line. And it wasn't like you could have your
Speaker 1: hand on a guy for six seconds. It was a touch,
Speaker 1: no disagreement. Let me say this, and I'm not switching
Speaker 1: something because this is your show, but I'm dying to
Speaker 1: touch on this with Draymond and you here and you hear,
Speaker 1: especially you because you brought this up AM on a
Speaker 1: Monday morning is hious. Let me tell you the part
Speaker 1: dre where I don't believe if I'm wrong and wrong,
Speaker 1: I don't believe you really experienced this part yet. C
Speaker 1: JJ got a taste of this to be misquoted, completely
Speaker 1: taken out of context where they I mean waiting like
Speaker 1: new media. I'm laughing when you say this. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: not that you're wrong, it's like he has no idea
Speaker 1: what is coming? Think about how this man talk now
Speaker 1: and they're gonna live watch when they got something about
Speaker 1: me on social media with j J. J. J Reddick
Speaker 1: said this and he puts Stephen are in this place
Speaker 1: about this. J. J. Reddick was on sports and the
Speaker 1: talking the siege to I was nowhere in the the city.
Speaker 1: The conversation never happened, nothing, but they used my name
Speaker 1: for click, so everybody, look at what did j J
Speaker 1: check Stephen are about. Then they took quotes from me
Speaker 1: and they took a piece of quote that said on
Speaker 1: first take. They took a piece of quote that I
Speaker 1: said on sports and the six months earlier they compiled
Speaker 1: it as if I said it the same day. That's
Speaker 1: all the stuff j J comes in the first rate
Speaker 1: in the first take wine and that's right. I said
Speaker 1: it wine, and a couple of weeks ago they did
Speaker 1: they that that's not for the question, and that's not
Speaker 1: what I said. I said, welcome to my world, and
Speaker 1: that's what y'all looking for. That's all I got to say.
Speaker 1: Let's give it up for Stephen A. Steven. Thank you
Speaker 1: very much, appreciate that was great that Steven, I mean entertainer,
Speaker 1: Um Dre, I want to ask you about it's still ongoing,
Speaker 1: and so it's it's tough to talk about. And by
Speaker 1: the way, part of media in general is this legacy
Speaker 1: narrative discourse. And I think there's a difference between legacy
Speaker 1: and narrative, and we can talk about that or whatever.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you about the Warriors legacy,
Speaker 1: the Big Threes legacy, Steph's legacy. When you guys won
Speaker 1: Game five, you passed Tim Duncan, Montage Nobile, Tony Parker
Speaker 1: winning is all NBA trio in finals history since whatever
Speaker 1: nineteen I don't I'm not terrible at MAP, fifty years whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. Of course you won games sex now
Speaker 1: have four chips together. While you're in it, do you
Speaker 1: think about your legacy? Do you think about steps legacy
Speaker 1: and Clays clays legacy. I think there are times that
Speaker 1: you sit back and have conversations with people and it
Speaker 1: will come up like oh man, like wow, you start
Speaker 1: thinking about it. But when you're in it, it's it's
Speaker 1: it's nearly impossible to appreciate it, you know. And I
Speaker 1: think one thing that's changed for me over like doing
Speaker 1: it this time as opposed to before, is I've I've
Speaker 1: tried to make sure that I appreciate this one a
Speaker 1: little bit more, in large part due to I now
Speaker 1: know it cannot happen again. You know, you go to
Speaker 1: the finals for five years straight, win three of them,
Speaker 1: probably could have won five, but nonetheless win three of them,
Speaker 1: and you just start to think that this is going
Speaker 1: to happen every year, like we'll be back here next year,
Speaker 1: like I've dubbed at the dubs invitation words invitational, but
Speaker 1: you really believe that, like we'll be back here next year,
Speaker 1: no problem. And and to go from the NBA Finals
Speaker 1: to win fifteen games, there's a reality that sets in
Speaker 1: is that this is not guaranteed, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of work that goes into getting here. And so I've
Speaker 1: tried to appreciate this one a lot more, but I
Speaker 1: a large part of me feels like the moment you
Speaker 1: started to appreciate, you start overly appreciating it, you'll never
Speaker 1: get back there. And so I try to keep my
Speaker 1: appreciation for it to a minium. And I know most
Speaker 1: people say, no, man, you gotta enjoy the moment like now,
Speaker 1: I'll enjoy I enjoy it when I'm forty or fifty
Speaker 1: or sixty. But the risk that I'm not willing to
Speaker 1: take is overly enjoying it right now and never feeling
Speaker 1: this again, like it's too great of a feeling to
Speaker 1: do anything that could possibly hinder me from experiencing that
Speaker 1: again when you talk about some of your teammates, guys
Speaker 1: like Wiggins for example, and the impact the organization had
Speaker 1: on them, is that something? Thank you, Draymond, this is
Speaker 1: the present. Sorry cut you all time. He just so,
Speaker 1: y'all know, I brought this bottle from j J. Dude
Speaker 1: beat my Spartans this year and we bet a bottle
Speaker 1: a d r C. And I'm always roller with my sparks.
Speaker 1: We wasn't that good, but I still it was close
Speaker 1: though we're talking about it. That's what do you do?
Speaker 1: I love coach. We want to go to meddle together.
Speaker 1: Oh that was a heavy, poor ass. That was a
Speaker 1: great part. Um could so with so with guys like
Speaker 1: Wiggins for example. But Jordan's another example as a young guy.
Speaker 1: Is is that something you can see right away with
Speaker 1: the organization them shaping them and being championship level contributors
Speaker 1: rather than you know, you know what Andrew was doing
Speaker 1: before this or where Jordan was before this? No you don't,
Speaker 1: I quite frankly. They sent Jordan pulled down to the
Speaker 1: G League BUBBA last year and he was kind of
Speaker 1: on his way out of the NBA, and so you know,
Speaker 1: you you see all the Tennessee and like in George's defense,
Speaker 1: he walked into a shitty situation. He walked into me
Speaker 1: trying to be the top leader when Andre left and
Speaker 1: I had no idea how to be a fact. He
Speaker 1: walked into Clay totally being away from the team and
Speaker 1: like rehabbing, and this steph totally being away from the
Speaker 1: team and rehabbing, and so the roster that we had,
Speaker 1: that's the situation that he walked into. No one speaks
Speaker 1: about that, but he's on his way out. Um, you know, nobody,
Speaker 1: nobody believed Wiggins was gonna be there. I mean, we've
Speaker 1: seen in there, even like when we got wigging, I
Speaker 1: don't think we believe the Wiggins was gonna be there.
Speaker 1: But in the midst of only winning fifteen games during
Speaker 1: that season that Wiggins got traded, what you saw was
Speaker 1: that he can defend. He doesn't back down from any challenge.
Speaker 1: He's athletic as hell, and if I can can stay
Speaker 1: on him to try to show him the way and
Speaker 1: show him what it takes to win, you did believe
Speaker 1: that he could be a part of it, but you
Speaker 1: knew there was work that needed to be done because
Speaker 1: of the situation that he had been and he had
Speaker 1: been in Minnesota losing for seven years, and so you
Speaker 1: knew that it was possible, but you didn't quite know
Speaker 1: two things. Number one, how long would it take? And
Speaker 1: number two, when the moment gets the biggest or that
Speaker 1: guy be ready for that moment. And both of them,
Speaker 1: Jordan's and Wiggs, they were more than ready for the moment.
Speaker 1: The other fact that Draymond is so competitive he somehow
Speaker 1: figures out of ay to this his own teammate. Because
Speaker 1: the Timberwolf suck. They do they do. So I have
Speaker 1: a question go ahead for you, j j Um what
Speaker 1: like I feel like you've gone on first take Um,
Speaker 1: you've been Donna get up? What was it for you
Speaker 1: going up there? Because I feel like you were the
Speaker 1: first one, like, like I said, the leader of new media.
Speaker 1: Like I've been, you know, doing my thing and all
Speaker 1: this stuff and speaking to new media. But I feel
Speaker 1: like you were the first person to go on these
Speaker 1: stages on these platforms and embody that and embrace that.
Speaker 1: And I don't think it was something you intentionally did.
Speaker 1: I think it's authentic to you. But in saying that,
Speaker 1: it's intimidating to go up there and oppose against stephen
Speaker 1: A like like he's the greatest at that thing, Like
Speaker 1: not often do you have the opportunity to share moments
Speaker 1: with the greatest at a thing in life, And so
Speaker 1: he's the greatest at that thing. That's a big intimidated
Speaker 1: What was it for you to go on these platforms
Speaker 1: and speak the way you've spoken and with the content
Speaker 1: like you won America? Like everybody wants to see J. J.
Speaker 1: Reddick on TV, Like what was it for you that
Speaker 1: gave you? Because apparently I'm Steph's biggest hater even though
Speaker 1: he's my favorite player. We'll talk about this later. No,
Speaker 1: there's two things to this. Number One, I can remember
Speaker 1: my first time on first take, and by the way,
Speaker 1: no offense is steven a. I had never watched the
Speaker 1: show before, so I didn't even know. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know it was a debate show. I'm gonna be honest,
Speaker 1: but I remember my first two or three times on
Speaker 1: first take, and I was only working once a week
Speaker 1: at the time. Because you know, whatever, you get that
Speaker 1: pregame jitters, the pregame butterflies, and they're like thirty seconds,
Speaker 1: ten seconds, seven seconds. Steven as text and somebody you
Speaker 1: know whatever. I'm looking around and I remember thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about sports. I know this as well as anybody.
Speaker 1: I know basketball as well as anybody. Why would I
Speaker 1: be nervous? And it just it's the second the camera
Speaker 1: came on, it was gone. Um my second point to
Speaker 1: something you said about being in the new media, it
Speaker 1: became very apparent early on, especially once we really Tommy
Speaker 1: and I really dove into the podcast. We started doing
Speaker 1: more um, longer intros, uh, you know, YouTube lives all
Speaker 1: this stuff where we were really talking about the game.
Speaker 1: We're talking about things going on the NBA. And I
Speaker 1: realized that in some ways, and it's no fault of
Speaker 1: anyone's in some ways, it is an uphill battle. And
Speaker 1: I talked at length about this last week. With the
Speaker 1: way media works now, and it's not anybody's fault, Like
Speaker 1: it's it's not that people are bad people, but aggregate
Speaker 1: media exists, and and whoever runs those accounts and whoever
Speaker 1: runs those companies like they're okay with being grifters and
Speaker 1: that's fine, like morally that's fine for them, but they are,
Speaker 1: they're stealing ship and then you and then you start
Speaker 1: talking about old media where everything comes about becomes about
Speaker 1: legacy and narrative and all this stuff. And I just
Speaker 1: I viewed it through a lens of what do I
Speaker 1: actually believe? If somebody disagrees with me, that's fine. Like
Speaker 1: do I believe that players today are better than players
Speaker 1: in the ninet He's absolutely, I'll say that a hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty times. It's not what what j billis talked
Speaker 1: about this the other day. Why in every other sport
Speaker 1: can we accept the fact that players are faster, players
Speaker 1: are stronger, players are more skilled. But for some reason,
Speaker 1: basketball players stopped being good in two thousand, the last
Speaker 1: twenty two years, we just stopped improving, Like why is that?
Speaker 1: And so let's push back on that. Let's push back
Speaker 1: on that. I'm like, I disagree with you. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't go into anything I do being like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do something. I'm I'm gonna go viral. What we
Speaker 1: do on the podcast, what I do on ESPN, it's
Speaker 1: all organic, it's authentic. It's who I am, I know
Speaker 1: probably being that And if people disagree with that, and
Speaker 1: that's why that's that's I've talked about that about you.
Speaker 1: And if people disagree with that that's fine, but I'd
Speaker 1: like to point it out. It's one of the most
Speaker 1: amazing things about your podcast is you get up there
Speaker 1: after a game for an hour, hour, ten minutes and
Speaker 1: you just talk and it's just you, and it's it's
Speaker 1: we're talking about it's so hard to do. It's so
Speaker 1: hard to do, Tom, that's a great point. Do you
Speaker 1: like to hear yourself talk? I would be one honest
Speaker 1: with you all. I've never listened to a single podcast,
Speaker 1: not one. Um. I will listen to a little clips.
Speaker 1: I'll listen to clips just to see how I sound
Speaker 1: and like, do I need to sound better? Is there's
Speaker 1: something that I need to clean up? So I'll listen
Speaker 1: to a couple of clips. But I absolutely hate hearing
Speaker 1: myself talk, like on a podcast, on an interview, because
Speaker 1: my voice, like how I hear my voice right now?
Speaker 1: It don't sound like And I watch a video and like,
Speaker 1: who the fund is that talking? Like that's not how
Speaker 1: my Like I hear myself talking right now, My voice
Speaker 1: sounds totally different than what you all are listening to
Speaker 1: and to me, And so I absolutely hate hearing myself talk.
Speaker 1: But I love talking so weird the very weird. The
Speaker 1: only person that I know who actually likes the sound
Speaker 1: of their voice is Steven A. Smith. I mean, we got,
Speaker 1: we got, We got three NBA guys over there that
Speaker 1: all have at different point in times, have had their podcast.
Speaker 1: They can attest they don't like to hear their own voice.
Speaker 1: It's just Steven A. Smith, so bro, Yeah, Josh's here. Y'all,
Speaker 1: you have been an amazing audience. We appreciate you. Thank you, Draymond,
Speaker 1: thank you, Tommy, thank you, Steven A. Smith. We appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, guys, thank you, thank you. What's love? Glvid
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