1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let me set the stage 2 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: for this. A quiet residential neighborhood. A mom goes to 3 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: the door and opens the door, standing there as a 4 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: clown with balloons. She thinks she's getting some kind of 5 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: a fun delivery. Instead, she gets shot dead. What happened 6 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: to Marlene Warren? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? What do 7 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: you remember of late twenty sixth, nineteen ninety I remember 8 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: that being one of the most terrible days of my life. 9 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: You're in the house with your mom, right, yes, what's 10 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 1: going on? Well, typical morning. She and I were cooking 11 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: breakfast that morning, joking, carrying on. Did Marlene have any 12 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: enemies in this world? None? Everybody loved her. She was 13 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: by everything, My mom, my friend, she was by everything. 14 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: I was in the living room, I sat down the eats. 15 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: There was a balloon and some clown coming at the door. 16 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: Look at that clown. She was going to that door. 17 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: She was excited. When your mother opened the door, did 18 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: she say something, Oh, how pretty? At first we thought 19 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,839 Speaker 1: maybe it was a balloon, But when we saw her fall, 20 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: he knew was something was definitely seriously wrong. We had 21 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: no clue what was going on. It was like the 22 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 1: whole world was in slow emotion. Did the clowns say anything, Nothing, 23 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: not a word. The clown slowly walked back to the 24 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: car like no care in the world. The clown slowly 25 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: walked back to the car, not a care in the world. 26 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: The clown didn't speak, The voice was never heard. I 27 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: was just listening to this son talk about his mother. 28 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: I was just thinking about you grow up with your 29 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 1: mother and him saying good night twice and getting another hug, 30 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: and then to think your mother, essentially your world at 31 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: a young age, goes to the door and get shot 32 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: dead again. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks 33 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nations. Serious XM 34 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: with me, an All start panel and Bloy we need 35 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: a panel on this one. Kurt nermy is with me. 36 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: Renowned trial lawyer who represented d Arius at trial, author 37 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: of Trapped with miss Arius on Amazon. Doctor Angela Arnold, 38 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: well known psychiatrists joining us from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Jeff Cortezi, 39 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: former FBI Special Agent, doctor Katherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, 40 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: joining us from Erie County mm's office. That's Buffalo. George 41 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: skiro DNA technical leader lab director at Scales Biological Laboratory, Inc. 42 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: But right now, jacrime online dot Com investigative reporter Levi, 43 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: Paige Levi, I want to start at the beginning, when 44 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: Marlene Warren goes to the door. Tell me what happened. So, Nancy, 45 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: this is in Wellington, Florida, Palm Beach County, and it's 46 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety it's Memorial Day weekend, and forty year old 47 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: Marlene Warren, she was eating breakfast with her son and 48 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: his friends. They were in their early twenties, and the 49 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: doorbell rings. She got up to answer it, and she 50 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: opened the door and there was a clown that had 51 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: a flower arrangement and blues and that's not all he had. 52 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: He had a gun, pulled it out. I say, he 53 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: meaning a clown you think of a He and shot 54 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 1: Marlene Warren dead, shot her in the face, then got 55 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: into a white Chrysler convertible and left the scene. Marlene 56 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: Warren died two days later in the hospital. There's so 57 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: many questions just ricocheting off the inside of my mind 58 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 1: right now, because you know, if you look at this 59 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:41,359 Speaker 1: Jeff Cortes, former FBI, she's so clearly targeted because the 60 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: person walks to the door, rings the doorbell, she answers, 61 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: the shoot her, and then walk back to the car. 62 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: This isn't a drive by shooting. It's not a rape, 63 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: it's not a burglary, it's not a robbery. She is targeted. 64 00:04:56,279 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: Not only that, the killer clown takes great efforts to 65 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: cover their identity. They never over utter a word, which 66 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: means they don't want their voice to be heard. This 67 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: has to be someone that knows her, or is obsessed 68 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: with her, or has been watching her. And my guests 69 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: would be she knows them too. Agree or disagree? No, 70 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: I absolutely agree. This is cold calculated and well thought out. 71 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: I mean the steps that were taken to to shield 72 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: the identity of the shooter from anybody around. We're very 73 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: well planned out, and all indications are that these two 74 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,600 Speaker 1: people would would know each other. The first thing I 75 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: would be doing is trying to get the make and 76 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: model of that vehicle that the killer was driving, and 77 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: going to every grocery store and about a ten to 78 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 1: fifteen mile vicinity that sells balloons or flowers. You know, 79 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: there's always that balloon and flower section typically in grocery store. 80 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: Definitely flowers first move and looking for forensics. For all 81 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: I know, the clown was wearing gloves. Take a listen 82 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: now you were hearing Peter van Zand at forty eight 83 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: hours this is Alexandrew's stone at k ETV. Listen. Marlene 84 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: Warren was in her Aero Club community home with her 85 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: adult sign and some of his friends. They were eating 86 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 1: breakfast when they noticed someone at their front door. Marlene 87 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: answered it, revealing a person dressed as a clown holding 88 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: two balloons and a basket of flowers. A witness who 89 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: was present at the time recall what happened next in 90 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: a police interview, saying, Marlene made a remark like you know, 91 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: oh how nice you know and everything. She was happy 92 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: about it, and when she went to reach and grab 93 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: for it, he just shot her in the mouth twice. 94 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: The witness says at the scene said that the clown 95 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: just turned around, walked back to the car, got into 96 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: the white Chrystrom le baron and just drove away very calmly. 97 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: A chryst little bear in color white. Doctor Angela A 98 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: psychiatrists joining me out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angela. 99 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: The fact that this woman, this mother was shot twice 100 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: in the mouth. Now, I know a lot of people 101 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: think that that's just I'll let me just say by accident. 102 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: Now that the shooting is by accident, but that the 103 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: shooting in the mouth, I think it's on purpose. Shot, 104 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: but shot in the mouth. It was very much on purpose. 105 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: The clown wanted to distigure her. The clown wanted to 106 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: make sure that she was dead. It was very thought 107 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: out and calculated. It's it always says when when someone shooting. Well, 108 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the fact that she was shot in 109 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: the mouth, not just shot in the chest or the head. 110 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: But she was shot twice in the mouth. And I 111 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: find that very very significant. To Kirk Nurmy. You represented 112 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 1: Jody Arius. She shot Travis Alexander. I know you said 113 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: she didn't fine have it your way, but he was 114 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: stabbed twenty nine times, I think, and shot in the head. 115 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: It's significant when the shooter picks the head, the face 116 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: in this case, the mouth in which they shoot the victim. 117 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: And I think in your case, Arias was at close 118 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: range to Travis Alexander, she knew she was shooting him 119 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: in the head. In this case, the clown was at 120 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: close range. She knew when she went to the door. 121 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: She opened the door up, there's a clown. The clown 122 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: takes the gun and points right at her mouth. Crime 123 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about a mom 124 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: that goes to the door of her home. She's having 125 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: breakfast with her son and one of his friends. She 126 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: thinks she's getting a surprise flowers and balloons. What she 127 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: gets a surprise? All right? She gets shot dead twice 128 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: in the mouth. Nermie, don't you think your client? Jody 129 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: aris aside, it is significant when someone is shot closer range, 130 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: specifically in the mouth. That is a deep psychological up. 131 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: It's a neon signed to me. Well, it certainly adds 132 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: a personal anger element to it. Right, It's not just 133 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: a matter of killing. It's a matter of disfiguring, maiming, 134 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: and making sure that person life and their deaths will 135 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: never be the same. It as a intensely personal way 136 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: of shooting someone. Well, another thing pointing at the mouth. 137 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: You want to make sure she Marlene Juarren never says 138 00:09:53,600 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: another word. But why to doctor Catherine Maloney, Deputy medical 139 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 1: examiner joining me out of Erie County, Buffalo, Is there 140 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: any way a person could live if they've been shot 141 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: front to back in the mouth. It would really depend 142 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: on the trajectory of the bullet. So if the bullet 143 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: goes straight front to back such that it hits the 144 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: base of the brain, then the person will definitely die 145 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: because you require the bottom part of your brain to 146 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: stay alive. If instead, however, the bullet manages to either 147 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:30,680 Speaker 1: go to the right of the left, you know, sort 148 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 1: of towards through the side of the head, it's possible 149 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: that the person could survive, but it would be a 150 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 1: very long and prolonged process to kind of put them 151 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: back together again. Do you leave ipage climb online dot 152 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter. Do we know whether the clown was 153 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: wearing gloves? We don't know that for sure, Nancy so To, 154 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: George Skiro. DNA really on the forefront of DNA Forensic Scientists, 155 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: Lab Director Scales Biological Labs, George Skiro. If she's when 156 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: Marlene goes to the door, she opens the door. If 157 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: the clown is wearing gloves, what's the likelihood we're going 158 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: to get any DNA off the balloons or the flowers, now, Mancy, 159 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 1: it depends on the person who was dressed at the 160 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: clown handled the items beforehand without gloves, then there may 161 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: be some DNA present. But of course, in order to 162 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: do that, you have to find the gloves, and you 163 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: need to find the person so that you could then 164 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 1: compare the DNA to that person. Well. Another issue is 165 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: if the clown went and bought the flowers and the balloons, say, 166 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: in the grocery store, would they have been wearing the 167 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: gloves at the time of the purchase. Their DNA could 168 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: be on the balloons, could be on the flowers. What 169 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: would that be touch DNA, Yes, that would be touched DNA, 170 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: where someone's DNA is transferred basically from the skin on 171 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: their hands to the items that they're handling. Guys, take 172 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: a listen now to Peter van Zandt At forty eight hours. 173 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: Joe was living at home and his friends were over 174 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: that morning, including Jeannie Pratt, who helped ten to Marlene, 175 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: a neighbor called nine one one. I was right next 176 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: to her and I rolled her to her side. Was 177 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: a big hole in her cheek and upper lip. Joe, 178 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: hobbled by a broken leg and cast followed the clown 179 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: outside the shooter's car, a white Chrysler LeBaron was parked 180 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: in the driveway. The car was right here, the door 181 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: was opened, the car was running. I tried to get 182 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: the clown to turn around. I call him every word 183 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: in the book. The shooter looked back. Joe saw white 184 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: and red clown makeup, a fuzzy orange wig, and the 185 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: eyes of the person who had just shot his mother, 186 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: just really dark brown eyes. The shooter calmly got in 187 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: the car and drove away, didn't even squeal attire, just 188 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: drove off like nothing happened. What does that tell you 189 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: to Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special agent, I mean it 190 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: tells me that there was a lot of thoughts that 191 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: was put into this. I mean, when when you put 192 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: yourself in a high stress situation, you know, the world 193 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: starts to shrink around you, the heart rate starts going, 194 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: you get tunnel vision, etc. In order to overcome that, 195 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: it takes either a great amount of training in high 196 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: stress situations and a great amount of planning. So this 197 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: was somebody who did not allow the events taking place 198 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: to change your manipulate the behavior beyond what they had 199 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: intended to do, and that was remained calm and cool 200 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: and get in and out and it was it's cold 201 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 1: in its eerie. I find that pretty bold, pretty not 202 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 1: to even run. If I had just murdered, somebody would 203 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: at least run to get away. Here's Peter van say listen. 204 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: Investigators had very little to work with initially, Daphne Durette 205 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 1: of the Palm Beach Post. They knew that the shooter 206 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: sped off in a white Chrysler LeBaron. What they also 207 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: knew was that the shooter had brown eyes. Because of 208 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: all the makeup and the costume, Joe couldn't even be 209 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: sure if the shooter was a man or a woman, 210 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: which left police with a problem. There's a thing called 211 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: a bolo. What is a bolo? A bolo is an 212 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 1: acronym for be on the lookout, and in this case, 213 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: the bolo was for someone dressed in a clown costume. 214 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: It was not a lot to go on. Man, you're 215 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: not kidding. A bolo be on the lookout for a 216 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: person dressed at a clown costume. So let me ask 217 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: you this leavipage climb online dot com. Tell me who 218 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: was in the home at the time of the shooting. 219 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: So there was Marlene Warren her Son and some of 220 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: his friends, a girlfriend, and some of his friends Neighbors 221 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: said that after the shooting, some of his friends were 222 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: running out of the house frantic and scared. On one 223 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: of the balloons it was written You're the Greatest, while 224 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: the other had snow white painted on it. The clown 225 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: was wearing one of those wigs, the fuzzy haired wigs 226 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: bright orange. So the only identifier is that the killer 227 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: has brown eyes. I would immediately begin canvassing the area 228 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: for who may have sold those balloons and flowers. Take 229 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: a listen to this. Other investigators continued trying to find 230 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: where the flower arrangement and balloons were purchased. One said 231 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: You're the greatest, and the other one had snow white 232 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: in the seven dwarfs on it right, So they had 233 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: these two distinctive balloons. Police learned that those balloons were 234 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: distinctive enough that they could link them back to a 235 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: specific supermarket. The balloons and flowers left at the doorstep 236 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: of the murder scene were purchased at this public The 237 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: buyer described as a white female with dark brown hair. 238 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: Dark brown hair. Police discovered that purchase was made at 239 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: nine twenty two am, an hour and a half before 240 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: the shooting and the store's location caught their attention. Sheila 241 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: Keene's home is about a little more than half a 242 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: mile over here. Who is Sheila Keene? And it's very 243 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: interesting and I don't doubt it for one minute that 244 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: the clark remembered selling those particular balloons to a woman, 245 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: white female with long brown hair. That's what the clerk remembers. 246 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 1: Why because one was a snow white balloon and one 247 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: said you're the greatest. Very ironical that the recipient of 248 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: the balloons, You're the greatest, ends up dead. I want 249 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: to go to Jeff Cortesi, FBI former special agent. Jeff, 250 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: how do you go about tracking down who sold those balloons? 251 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that. I don't think there 252 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 1: was video at the time. So you have to go 253 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: to every single clerk at every single grocery store. Yeah. Absolutely, 254 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: this is a nineteen ninety you know, CCTV wasn't then 255 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 1: what it is now. So it does take a getting 256 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: out and going from shop to shop and asking the 257 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: right questions. And that is a huge resource dream, but 258 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: that's what it takes sometimes to get the lead you 259 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: need to take you to the next step. Leavipage crime 260 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,880 Speaker 1: online dot com. Where is the husband in this scenario? 261 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: Her husband is Michael Warrett and he ran a used 262 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: car lot, car rental agency, and car reposition repossession business. 263 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: So he had a car lot and a report business. 264 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: Isn't it true that he had already been in trouble 265 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: with the law for rolling back O dometers. Yes, and 266 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: which is actually a federal offense. He served about four 267 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: years in prison for that and financial crimes related to 268 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: his business. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Who is Sheila Keene? 269 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:52,160 Speaker 1: Cut to cut ten? Please take a listen to this. 270 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: What police did find in the apartment was hair from 271 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: the bathroom trash and a stunner more orange fibers on 272 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: clothing inside she lives home. Detectives aren't saying if Keane 273 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: is actually a suspect in the murder. What they will 274 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: say is that they are waiting for test results on 275 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 1: samples of hair and fibers taken from search warrants. A 276 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: police criminologist compared the samples of human hair and the 277 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: orange fibers from the car and the apartment and in 278 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: both cases concluded the samples were similar. So this sounds 279 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 1: like something well, you could put this in front of 280 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: a jury and potentially get a conviction. You could or 281 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: maybe you couldn't. Similar is not the same man, you 282 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,639 Speaker 1: are so right about that. Similar is not the saying 283 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friend Peter van Sample. Four 284 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: days after the shooting, police got a huge break. They 285 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: found a white baron maybe this was the getaway car. 286 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: They find it in the parking lot of a Win 287 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 1: Dixie supermarket. That supermarket is eight miles from the crime 288 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: scene and nine miles from Sheila Keane's apartment. Inside the car, 289 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: police found two important clues. They find this orange synthetic 290 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: hair like the fibers from a clown wig. They also 291 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: find strands of brown human hair, brown hair like Sheila Keynes. 292 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: Within hours, police had a warrant to search her apartment. 293 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: The investigation has turned to the woman who lives here 294 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 1: at the Pine Ridge Apartments off Haverhill Road. They didn't 295 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: find a gun. Sheila's a stranged husband told police they 296 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: owned a thirty eight Revolver, but that Sheila told him 297 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: she misplaced it about a month before the murder. Misplaced 298 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: your gun. Remind me to circle back to misplacing your gun. 299 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: But there's so much right here I'll stop everything. This 300 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: woman has a whiteless saber, it's abandoned a Win Dixie 301 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: parking lot, and it's got orange fibers in it and 302 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: a long brown hair in it. That's a coincidence, I 303 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: don't think so, so Leavi Page. Why would a completely 304 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: unknown woman what suddenly dress up like a clown not 305 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: say word and gun down Marlne? Who is Sheila King? So? 306 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: Sheila Keane was twenty six years old in nineteen ninety. 307 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:42,959 Speaker 1: She was married, but she worked for Michael Warren and 308 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: Michael Warren's co workers people that worked for him say 309 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: that they were having an affair and that she had 310 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,439 Speaker 1: an apartment that he was paying the rent for. You 311 00:21:54,520 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: know what, can you just surprise me one time a 312 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: co worker? They have an affair according to co workers, 313 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: and you know you can't keep that kind of thing 314 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: a secret, Kurt NARMI, could you just one time surprise 315 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: me and it not be a love triangle with your coworker? Well, 316 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: I guess not, because that's clearly what the case was here. 317 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: And we saw we talked about that personalization element before, 318 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: and we can kind of see that correlation and that 319 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: puzzle come together. Doctor Angela Arnold. Do they really think 320 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: the coworkers don't notice they're sitting in each other's laps 321 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: and going out for lunch every day together. You think 322 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: they don't see that? There's got to be some sort 323 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: of I don't think that they care. I think that 324 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,679 Speaker 1: they are so into what they're doing that they have 325 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: convinced themselves that other people around them do not see 326 00:22:53,800 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: this behavior. You know, another issue right here, to Jeff Cortesi, 327 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: former special agent office workers always know what's happening. They 328 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: always know. You can't keep that kind of thing as secret. 329 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: You can't in just like in you know other situations 330 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 1: similar to this. You know, the first place that anybody's 331 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: going to look is close to the home and then 332 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: work out. So the mestagators are going to start close 333 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,640 Speaker 1: and work out. So when they start close and they 334 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: identify something like this, you know, a marital infidelity boy, 335 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: that's going to grab their attention right away, and there's 336 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,159 Speaker 1: no way to hide that stuff from people. Partual infidelity. 337 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: And the white less saber was actually stolen. So in 338 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: the stolen white less saber found abandon at a widic 339 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:50,159 Speaker 1: See parking lot, what is the likelihood, George Scuiro, the 340 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: lab director Scales Biological Lab, Inc. That you're gonna find 341 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 1: orange hair from a wig and long brown hair that 342 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: they say is similar to what was used, but without 343 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: the wig. How can they make a comparison? George Giro, Well, Nancy, 344 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 1: what they can do is they can take those fibers, 345 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: those orange fibers, and run a series of chemical and 346 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 1: microscopic analyzes on them to determine what their chemical makeup is, 347 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: what's the structure of the fiber, what type of dye 348 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: was used, and that can give investigative information, and also 349 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: the hair itself can also provide some forensic information that 350 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: might be of value if that hair is still in evidence. 351 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: Couldn't it be compared even without a route. Couldn't you 352 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: get mitochondrial DNA from the hair found in the stolen 353 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: the saber and try to match it up to the mistress. 354 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: That's correct, Nancy. Mitochondrial DNA would be the type of 355 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: analysis that would be used to make that type of comparison. 356 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: So isn't this true? Lead by Page climb online dot 357 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 1: com investigative reporter that the neighbors that live near Sheila 358 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: Kane actually thought that Warren, the husband was her husband 359 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: because he was there all the time. Yeah, you are correct, 360 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: and they spent a lot of time together. Well, you know, 361 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 1: you call it spending time together. I call it something else. 362 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: But for all the neighbors to think that was Sheila 363 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: King's husband, the killer clown? Is it the mistress the 364 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: love rival? What happens after that? Guys? Take a listen 365 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: to Unmasked the Killer Clown twenty seven years at the 366 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: Mollie Warren is gunned down in the doorway of her 367 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: Florida home. The Palm Beach Post uncovers a salacious secret. 368 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: We're coming up on the twenty seventh anniversary of Rolly 369 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 1: Warren's death, so my editor and I decided that I 370 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: should look into it. What she found out was that 371 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: Mike Warren and Sheila Keane, the same people who denied, 372 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: have an affair shortly after Marlene Warren was killed. We're 373 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: now husband and wife. Michael gets out of prison early 374 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: and what does he do. He seeks out the same 375 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 1: woman who was investigated for killing his wife. Think about it. 376 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: You don't marry a woman that you suspect that mighty 377 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: killed your wife. Mike Warren married Sheila Keane in Las 378 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: Vegas in two thousand and two, twelve years after his 379 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: wife's murders. So he does time on that odometer charge. 380 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: Remember he works to use car a lot convective, rolling 381 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: back the admins and tricking customers, gets out, goes straight 382 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: to Sheila King and marries her. That's pretty strong circumstantial 383 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: evidence to you, Kirk Narmy. Yeah, there's no doubt about it. 384 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: You have motive, you have, you know, evidence of maybe 385 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,719 Speaker 1: they got married to cover up after the fact they 386 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: thought they were bringing on privilege or marital privilege. Who knows, 387 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 1: who knows if the husband even knew. But yes, the 388 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence is piling up in their actions after the fact. 389 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,159 Speaker 1: Her actions in particular, show of consciousness of fell. Let 390 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: me understand something, Levi Page. The husband was not in 391 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: jail on the o'domino charge at the time of the shooting, 392 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: was he. No, he wasn't. That was years later, Nancy, 393 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: and he served time for that, and he actually got 394 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: out of prison and married Cela Keen in two thousand 395 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: and two, and then they moved to Southern Virginia, a 396 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: community right outside of Kingsport, Tennessee, very upscale community known 397 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,200 Speaker 1: for retirees moving there in the mountain was very beautiful, 398 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 1: and they lived there, and she went by the name Debbie, 399 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: and they started a restaurant together called the Purple Cowan 400 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: Apparently they were very well liked. She changed her name. 401 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: She started going by an alias, Yes, Debbie, she was 402 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: not going by Sheila. So they move away from the jurisdiction. 403 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: She changes her name, he gets rid of the car 404 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: a lot, and they start a restaurant called the Purple 405 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: Cow far away from the murder. Wow, sounds a little 406 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: bit like they're on the run. Now. There's another report 407 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: that at the time of the shooting, he was in 408 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: fact in a car with a group of guys on 409 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: the interstate. But long story short, he was nowhere near 410 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: the home at the time of the shooting. Is very 411 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: hard for me to believe, since these two then getting 412 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: married after the murder, that he knew nothing about it. 413 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Bombshell. Right now, this case, 414 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: over twenty seven years later, is going to trial. I'm 415 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: just wondering if there's any way they got a DNA 416 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: match on that hair found in the stolen lasaber, the 417 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: white lasaber identical to the one that left the scene 418 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: of the murder. Take a listen now to unmask the 419 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: killer clown. The Homage County Sheriff's Office and the Washington 420 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office of Virginia tracked Michael and Sheila. They 421 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: were cut a tune Vermont for a vacation. You pull 422 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: the car over and arrest Sheila, who's sitting in the 423 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: passenger seat. While she lives in the police car, she 424 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: asked officers questions, why are you arresting me? Are you 425 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: arresting my husband? Where are you taking me? Are you 426 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: taking my husband somewhere too? Once police get her into 427 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: an interrogation room and tell her what the case is about, 428 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 1: she tells them that she doesn't want to answer any 429 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: more questions and she puts her head down. Sheila Keane 430 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,440 Speaker 1: is charged with sure murder and extradited to Palm Beach County. 431 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: This is what we know, according to the detectives on 432 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 1: the case. They say DNA advances since the time of 433 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: Marlene's murder, combined with other evidence, have made this case 434 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: viable at trial. To George skiro especial guests are joining 435 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 1: us at DNA expert Lab director at the Scales Biological 436 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: Lab Inc. George Skiro, What do they mean by advancements 437 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: in DNA technology, Well, Nancy, there's been a lot of 438 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: advancements in the last several years as far as DNA 439 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: analysis goes. However, in this case, mitochondrial DNA analysis is 440 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: for a forensic cases, has probably been around since the 441 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: mid nineties, So unless they use some of the newer 442 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: genetic genealogy technologies in this case, it seems like it's 443 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: pretty much standard mitochondrial DNA. And what we're learning is 444 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 1: that they killer clown investigations use DNA from hair samples 445 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: to make a cold case arrest because at one moment, 446 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,719 Speaker 1: the alleged killer, the mistress Sheila Keane Warren, is on 447 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: her way to visit a mom and Vermont, and the 448 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: next minute she has been handcuffed and placed in the 449 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: back of a Virginia Sheriff's cruiser. She's saying, where am 450 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 1: I going? Why am I under arrest? She's sitting back 451 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: there in her jeans and flip flops. When she's told 452 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 1: she's under arrest because of a murder, she immediately puts 453 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: her head down and refuses to answer any further questions. Now, 454 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: this is what we know DNA based on hair samples. 455 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: Again to George Skiro, the lab director Skills Biological Labs INK, 456 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: try to explain that to me and regular people talk 457 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: when we say hair samples have managed to solve a 458 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: twenty seven year old cold case murder by a killer 459 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: clown of all things, what are they saying, well, and 460 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 1: see what they're saying is that this mitochondrial DNA that 461 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: was found in the hair samples in the vehicle matched 462 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: the mitochondrial DNA profile of Sheila Key Warrens. And this 463 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: is not like the normal type of DNA that we 464 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: hear about every day. This one isn't as specific because 465 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: it's passed along maternal lines within the family. We also 466 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: know now that the clown was absolutely wearing gloves, a 467 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: bulb nose, and a painted smile over a white face. 468 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: We also know that a pistol was the murder weapon. 469 00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: I don't know about you guys, but if I had 470 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: a gun, I don't think I would misplace it. The 471 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: only person I've ever heard of misplacing, not that it 472 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: was stolen, but misplaced a gun was Robert Blake, who 473 00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,920 Speaker 1: was acquitted by jury in the murder of his wife 474 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: Bonnie Lee Bakley. Well, he killed her just I hope 475 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: the jury here's that. But I've never heard of another 476 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: case where a weapon was misplaced. That's what she says. 477 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: We know detectives collected samples of Sheila Keane's hair, vials 478 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: of her blood, and a search warrant because she was 479 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: a suspect at the time. Now, when her apartment was searched, 480 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: Lee by Page, what was found in the apartment that 481 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: can help me out on this DNA comparison. So they 482 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 1: found fibers that were red that was consistent with the 483 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: red part of a wig of a clown. Inside of 484 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: her apartment. We know that there was a court ordered 485 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: search of her home. In the apartment there were fibers 486 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: from a bright orange wig, not the wig, but fibers 487 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: and clothing that police were checking from bloodstains. Similar bright 488 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: red orange fibers were found in the stolen the saber 489 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: in the reopened case. This may be the key the 490 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: FBI crime lab, that's where you come in, Jeff Cortesi. 491 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: The FBI Crime Lab say matches were made to fibers 492 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,760 Speaker 1: collected from the getaway car through a precise DNA connection 493 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:27,400 Speaker 1: that Sheila Keane is a possible source of the hairs. 494 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,680 Speaker 1: What does that mean to you? That means that they 495 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 1: are connecting the car to the suspect and the wig 496 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:41,840 Speaker 1: to the suspect. It is one more piece in a 497 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 1: chain of evidence that more completely tells a story that 498 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: gives the prosecutors a little bit more confidence to take 499 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: to a grand jury and then subsequently to a jury. 500 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 1: Is it true ly vi Page that almost fifty four 501 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: thousand dollars life insurance policy was paid to Michael Warren 502 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: at the of his wife And is he also going 503 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: to be indided that is true, Nancy, that there was 504 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: a life insurance about fifty grand that was awarded to 505 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: him after she was murdered Nancy. But so far he 506 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: has not faced any charges in the murder of his wife, 507 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: Sheila Keene. We wait as justice unsolved, Nancy. Like many 508 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 1: other court proceedings this year, the trial of Sheila Keen 509 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: Warren has been postponed to twenty twenty one. It's rescheduled 510 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: for April ninth, and it's been three years since Warren 511 00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: was arrested, and during her time behind bars, she's been 512 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: writing a friend saying that it's unfair for her to 513 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 1: wait so long for trial, and in one letter she 514 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: writes that she is confident that her innocence will be proven, 515 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: and prosecutors have said that they do not intend to 516 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: pursue the death penalty, but Warren could still face a 517 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,239 Speaker 1: life sentence if she is convicted. Nancy Grace Crimes Tours, 518 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye to