WEBVTT - Process Over Prompt: How to Use AI without Losing Your Spark 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:09.200 I'm TT and I'm Zakiyah, and this is Dope Labs. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.560 Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that mixes hardcore 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:17.639 science with pop culture and a healthy dose of friendship. 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:24.560 We're back with a follow up on AI. So we 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:29.720 previously talked about the environmental impact of AI, specifically large 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.720 language models or lms like chat GBT, and the need 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.760 to have a way to measure the resources required to 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.040 execute tasks. Yeah, but this time we're taking a look 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.800 at AI from a different angle and we're diving into 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:46.479 more of what's possible, the tools that are available, and 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.239 what's needed to leverage them if you choose to use them. 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.159 So let's jump right into the recitation. What do we know. 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.240 There's been a lot in the news on AI and 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.840 social media, and there was an environmental impact that we 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:03.160 talked about in Lab ninety four. Yeah, there's been discussions 0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:06.800 of AI and education, particularly students' use of it. I've 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:10.480 seen everybody writing about that and a cheater Yeah. 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:12.800 Yeah, yeah. 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:18.039 Trump issued an executive order about early exposure and AI integration, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:23.520 plus the opportunities for lifelong learners by creating a task force. Yeah, 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:27.959 let's move on to what we want to know. Yeah, 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:29.840 I feel like there's so much on the market for me. 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.200 I'm like, how do we keep up chat GPT? You know, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:33.679 there's like this new AI tool. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:33.800 Now. 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:35.959 I'm getting ads on Instagrams where people are like, I 0:01:36.000 --> 0:01:39.400 created this AI tool and it does xyz you can 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.360 take a jpeg and blah blah blah. And I was like, 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.039 what am I clicking on? Did they think this is 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:48.480 what I want? It's AI overloaded at this point. It's like, oh, 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:51.960 you can use this AI to brush your teeth. I'm like, whooh, 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:57.920 okay that I am overwhelmed. And so what I want 0:01:57.960 --> 0:02:00.480 to know is what's the key if you're a opting 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:03.640 and using AI, Like, how do you sift. 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.280 Through all of those AI tools? 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.560 Yes? And on the I guess the other side of 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.239 that coin, TT is what should you consider if you're 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:15.360 not using AI, Because just because you're not using it 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.160 doesn't mean you shouldn't know things about it, right, That's right. 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:20.280 So I think we're ready to jump into the dissection. 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.680 Perfect for this lab, we reached out to a creative 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:27.400 entrepreneur who is an expert at AI and teaches others 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:29.480 about it. Lauren is that girl when it comes to 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:34.440 branding it a designer educator. Yeah, call yourself our AI auntie. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.200 I'm Lauren de Vane and I branded myself as your 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.840 aiu T on Instagram and on the Internet. I used 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.320 to run social media creative at All to Beauty before 0:02:45.360 --> 0:02:48.280 I started my own things. So I kind of come 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:51.920 from a creative background. My degree is in graphic design. 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.800 So I'm the creative AI girly that you find helping 0:02:56.080 --> 0:03:00.200 creatives entrepreneurs figure out how to be using ai I 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.920 in their creative workflows but also just like in their 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:05.480 everyday life and figuring out ways that it can really 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:09.000 be beneficial to us in all of the things. 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:10.160 So yeah, that's what I do. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:11.240 Oh my goodness. 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:16.200 So what made you start weaving AI into your workflow? Like, 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:18.560 what was the thing that popped up where you said, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.640 uh huh, I've got to tap in. 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:25.000 So for me, it was discovering mid Journey. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:30.800 So chajubt existed before mid Journey, but it was early days, right, 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:33.480 it was still like twenty twenty two. It couldn't do 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:36.200 that much yet, And so I tried Chad Jubet, I 0:03:36.280 --> 0:03:39.240 tried Dolly, which is open Ayes image. 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:41.680 Generation tool, and I was like, this is so bad. 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.280 Fast forward a couple months later, we were like December 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:48.560 twenty twenty two. I always see these images of just 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:50.960 such surreal show and I'm like, these aren't photos, Like 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:51.760 where are these coming from? 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.000 How are people making these? 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.160 And so I found a YouTube that was like mid Journey, 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.080 but it was on Discord at the time, and I 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.560 had no knowledge of Discord, and so I needed to 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.400 find out like how I could be using this tool. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.280 So I like went into like a forty eight hour 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:10.840 like I just dove so deep in. It was just 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:12.880 like making all these images, learning what I could do, 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.080 and it came out of it and just had such 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:18.080 a different perspective based on what I had done for 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.719 the last ten years working at Walgreens and working at Alta, 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:23.240 being a designer and a creative and an art director 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:26.080 and a stylist and photographer, and I just was able 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:29.800 to see, oh my god, the way that this could 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:35.799 impact and change the way that creatives are executing photo 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:40.640 shoots or any like any sort of creative execution. How 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:42.880 this could change it in terms of speed, intent, in 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.159 terms of cost, in terms of everything, and this just 0:04:46.240 --> 0:04:49.240 kind of it all like crescendoed at the right time, 0:04:49.320 --> 0:04:52.520 and I just started teaching designers how to use AI 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.360 and that just turned into what it is now. 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:55.880 Amazing, amazing. 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.240 The reason I thought it was so great that we 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.520 had the chance to talk to you is because I 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.720 just saw MIT drop a study that was saying the 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.000 more we rely on AI tools, particularly like chat GPT, 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:11.320 the less our brains light up, like our neurons are 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:15.760 just saying I'll pass. And they're calling it cognitive debt. 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.920 So basically they're saying, your creative muscles can get lazy 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.160 when you use these tools to do a lot of 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.520 the thinking. But there's also a twist because there was 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.760 another study and they were saying, if you pause and 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.839 reflect and get kind of meta, which is not just thinking, 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:34.280 but thinking about how you're thinking, that AI tools can 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.600 actually boost your creativity and originality. And I want to 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:41.400 know your take, because you've gone from traditional design and 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:45.560 branding support to AI enhanced work. Do you think the 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:49.040 AI tools are making a sharper or too comfortable? 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:55.039 I think the harder thing to grasp is that PREAI, 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:57.960 when we look at different tools, they generally. 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.840 Are doing like one thing for you. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.120 Whereas AI it's like I could use it to help 0:06:03.160 --> 0:06:05.160 me learn how to code, where you could use it 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.960 to learn how to come up with an entire strategy 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:09.960 for your business, while someone else could be using it 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.760 to learn how to like understand what their dietary needs 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:13.719 or whatever it is. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:15.719 Right, So there's so many. 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.080 Use cases for AI that I think when we are like, oh, well, 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:20.960 it's gonna make you stupid, or it's like but in 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:21.880 what capacity? 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:22.160 Right? 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:24.960 And then I also think that like the other bigger 0:06:25.000 --> 0:06:28.359 piece of that is most people don't know how to 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:29.279 use it properly. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.760 And that tends to be the issue because if you're 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.359 using it, and this is one of the biggest thing 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:36.520 that I teach my students and all my followers is 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:38.040 process over prompt. 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.839 It's conversation over command. So it's not just like telling 0:06:41.839 --> 0:06:42.760 it to do this one. 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:44.159 Thing and then like that's it. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:45.960 It's like, okay, you ask it to do this thing, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.720 and then it gives you an output, and then you say, oh, well, 0:06:48.760 --> 0:06:51.920 based on that, can I have three ideas that would 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.120 you know, blow up from here? And then we pick 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.360 one of those and we say, okay, I have this, this. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:59.000 And this idea. So it's more about the way that 0:06:59.040 --> 0:06:59.680 you use it. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.880 I think it probably maybe isn't going to make you 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:03.880 any smarter if you just take the first output and 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.279 run with it and say that's it. 0:07:05.800 --> 0:07:06.320 But if you. 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.560 Understand how it works and how to actually work with 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:12.920 it as a collaborator and a partner, and you have 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:17.160 the domain expertise yourself, and that's another thing that is a. 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:18.440 Huge piece of it. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.400 It's like, if you're already good at what you do 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.480 and you understand all that this is really just like 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.080 asking another person to come into the room that's also 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.400 at the same level as you and have a conversation, 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.960 whether it's a person or a group of ten different 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:32.480 people that you say I want you to come in. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.600 From this perspective, it's like when you know how to 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:36.480 prompt it and you know the ways that you can 0:07:36.600 --> 0:07:39.640 use it, I absolutely do not believe that it's making 0:07:39.760 --> 0:07:42.600 us stupider, number or slower. I mean, since I've been 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.120 using it, I feel like my creativity is only exploded 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:48.000 in the way that I'm able to think about ideas 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.760 and the way that I'm able to quickly iterate on 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.560 ideas and then be like this is the best option, right, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.160 Like I just think it's all about the way you 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.680 use it and depending on how they ran these tests, right, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:01.840 what does that look like. Is it people that are 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.080 that know how to use chad GPT, Is it just 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:06.280 a bunch of students that have never learned right? 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:09.160 So I think there's always going to be this side 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:10.920 or that side of the coin when you look at it. 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.200 The other thing that I always tell folks is that 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.440 the tool is only as good as you are, Like 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.360 the analogy I always use because people are like, oh, no, 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:22.200 using AI is cheating. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.160 All these undergrads are cheating. They're cheaters. 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.800 They're cheaters, they don't know anything, they're dumb, all these 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.240 things like that, And I'm like, listen, back when the 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:35.760 abacusts was made, mathematicians thought using an advocust was cheating. 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.760 When the calculator became a thing, they thought that that 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:43.079 was cheating. But the thing is is that the calculator 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:45.880 is only as good as the user. I can give 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:50.320 you a really advanced calculator and say, calculate the area 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.480 under this curve. If you don't know what to put 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.240 into the calculator, you won't get the right answer. You 0:08:56.240 --> 0:08:59.480 can get an answer, it probably won't be right, and 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.640 so I always say, all of these AI tools are 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.960 only as good as the user. It'll only get you 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:08.280 but so far, which is the reason why when students 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.040 are using AI, it can only get them to a point, 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.120 and then their professors or teachers or whoever will ask 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.160 them for more, and that's when they have to start 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:23.160 really thinking critically and using it as an assist rather 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.320 than the only thing that they're using. As the only 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.680 tool that they're using, they have to use their brains. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:32.920 Yeah, I totally agree, and I think you know, when 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.160 you look at the whole idea of like students and 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:37.400 the way that they're using it and whether it's cheating 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.160 or not, I think we also probably need to look 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.880 at like the way that teachers are evaluating students in 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.200 their work. So maybe it's less about what is the 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.720 final output, but like show me how you got to 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.960 this output, Like where what was the thinking? If the 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:54.280 technology is shifting, I think so needs to. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:58.000 The way that we are teaching children how to use it. 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.480 Right, Men should definitely include assessing process, not just output. 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:06.520 That's what we think about for dope labs. It's like, yes, 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:08.240 I want you to know these facts, but i'd like 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:10.440 you to think about the string of questions that got 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:12.240 us here. We start with what we know, and then 0:10:12.280 --> 0:10:14.320 what we want to know and what questions do we 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:15.800 ask to get to those answers? 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.880 And I think so many people don't know the questions 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:19.200 to ask. 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:21.640 This is what I tell people. Context is key. The 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:24.880 more context you give it, the better the output's going 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:26.920 to be because without any knowledge of what it is 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.960 they're actually trying to do or achieve, how is it 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.360 able to like know what you want and then also 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.120 being able to write a prompt that is actually going 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.720 to get you good stuff out of it. So never 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.960 taking something just and running with it on its own, 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.560 but always looking at it and evaluating it and saying, 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:46.479 is this what I actually. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:46.640 Want out of it? 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:49.120 I think people look at AI and chat Gypts it's 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.640 like the scary techy thing, and it's not. It's all 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:56.280 about communication. If like, I think teachers and journalists those 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.040 are the people that are going to be using these 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:00.200 tools the best because they already know how to like 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:03.360 communicate properly right and ask questions well. 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:05.840 And I think that's so much about what this is. 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.680 And if you are, like I said, a domain expert 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.600 in what you do. Then you're gonna know those questions 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:11.920 to ask. 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:12.600 You're gonna know. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.600 When something's wrong, and you're gonna be like that sounds 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:16.000 like a terrible idea. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:16.840 Let's not do that. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.760 Why did you give me that idea? So it is 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:21.760 all about that, like back and forth with it. 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:40.640 Yeah, what are your go to AI tools? Folks are 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:43.319 always talking about Chat GBT, but there's so much more. 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:44.360 Can you talk about those? 0:11:44.559 --> 0:11:48.440 Yeah? So Chat, I would say, Chat is my like 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:50.040 go to right now. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.440 We are in a place where stuff moves so fast, right, yes, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.760 but right now, Chat has deep research that is so good. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.880 It has image general that is so good. It has 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.560 these three advanced reasoning models that are like next level. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.959 I'm not on the free plan. I'm also not on 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.920 the Plus plan. I'm on the Pro plan. I'm paying 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:11.720 two hundred dollars a month for this thing, which is 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.720 insane to me. I remember saying when I was paying 0:12:14.760 --> 0:12:16.160 the twenty dollars a month that I would pay tw 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:17.760 hundred dollars a month for this, and I was like, no, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.959 I wouldn't. But now I'm like, absolutely I would. Because 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:25.480 with the Pro subscription you're getting almost unlimited messages. On 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:28.839 all of the models, and these advanced reasoning models are 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.480 like next. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:31.520 Level what they can be doing. 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.280 I mean filling in for what you'd be paying five 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:38.040 ten thousand, fifty thousand dollars to a consultancy to do 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.560 that you can run and do in an hour on 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.600 your own, Like it's it's crazy. So Chat, I do 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:48.000 think is a really great option. You've obviously got Gemini 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:52.199 from Google, which I if you follow me on Instagram. 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:53.080 A while back. 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:57.320 I used to just I hated Gemini anything for the 0:12:57.320 --> 0:12:58.560 Gemini the time. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.840 It's just like it's so bad, Like it's so bad. 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:04.320 And now I'm like, no, dude, it is good, and 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.600 like their video model is so good. I had like 0:13:07.679 --> 0:13:10.079 a moment a couple of weeks ago when it came 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.000 out where I was just like, Okay, maybe I'm a 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:17.160 little bit nervous about this because it's creating these videos 0:13:17.160 --> 0:13:18.760 that are so lifelike. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:19.559 With native sound. 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.160 And that's scary is you've got voice that matches lips 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.199 that matches something that's totally fake and someone can just 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:27.720 put in any text. 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:28.400 They want for it to say. 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.840 So like, the video models are getting really really good, 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:36.880 and then Anthropic has Claude, the brother and sister that 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:41.000 founded Anthropic, actually started at open Ai with Sam Alman 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.600 with Elon Musk. They left and they were like, we're 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.439 gonna go and create. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:46.280 A safer AI. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:50.280 So there's a lot more like guardrails around Anthropic and Claude. 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.360 But it's so good at creative writing. It's so good 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.600 at creative writing, so it's real, and it's good at code. 0:13:56.400 --> 0:13:58.880 Right, But the problem there in lies that they all 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.280 freaking leap froggy every week. 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:03.439 So it's like this is the best one and now 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:05.640 this is the best one, and it's like I can't 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:09.320 keep up. But Anthropic, Open Ai and Google are going 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:12.880 to be remain for like large language models and then imagery. 0:14:13.480 --> 0:14:14.360 I love mid Journey. 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:17.400 They just came out with video last week and it's 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:18.400 really really good. 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:20.200 I was not expecting it to be good. 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.520 They've got a bunch of new stuff with like omni reference, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:26.680 so being able to you know, take your company's product, 0:14:27.120 --> 0:14:29.880 take a shot of it on your counter, bring that 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:31.800 in and have it reference it and be able to 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.120 get it really close and then turn that into video, right, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.600 And it's just like so like what you can do 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.520 now is so crazy, But those I think would probably 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:47.080 might be my my, Well, I have one more, okay, okay, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:51.000 So and it just opened in beta like recently to everyone. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:52.880 I've been using it in alpha for a long time. 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:57.160 It's called da and it's a browser, so it's from 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.760 the browser company. They have another browser are called Arc, 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:07.160 but Dia is an AI browser. So basically on any 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:10.840 website that I'm on, that is the context. So I 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.360 could just open up a chat and be like, hey, 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:15.720 can you tell me x y z and it'll just 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.040 take everything on there, or a YouTube video you can 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.560 be like, can you summarize. 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:19.840 This YouTube video? 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.080 So say I'm like planning a trip right and I've 0:15:22.080 --> 0:15:25.160 got like six different Airbnb tabs open. I just tag 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:26.520 in all of them and say, can you create a 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.080 comparison chart for me for this? Give me the pros 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:30.520 and cons, like whatever it. 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:34.840 Is, but no more switching taps. Yes, it is so and. 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.760 It's so good because it's running GBT four point one 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.480 on the back end, so it's it's quick and it 0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.000 just came out and beta like a week and a 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:44.240 half ago, two weeks ago. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:47.240 So the way you felt about what was it, The 0:15:47.240 --> 0:15:48.920 way that you didn't like Gemini Ja. The way you 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.400 felt about it is the way I currently feel about Copilot. 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.760 I never even tried. I mean I used Copilot for 0:15:54.800 --> 0:15:55.880 like two days. 0:15:55.760 --> 0:15:57.720 But that was It's I don't know Windows, they don't 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.080 know Microsoft, they don't know any of it. 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.760 I'm like, it's from such a waste of time. Love Claude, though, 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:03.600 Love Claude. 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.680 Okay, speaking of though, Google, Notebook LM is another. 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:13.280 Really Notebook LM is good, so good. 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:14.320 I haven't tell you my. 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:15.640 Notebook LM story. 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:20.320 Tell it. At work, my supervisor, we were we were 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:21.800 doing we had an off site, so were doing all 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:22.240 this stuff. 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.640 And this is part of my next question. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:28.560 A lot of industries are now making it so that 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:30.760 everybody that works in their company knows how to use 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:32.960 AI and knows how to use it effectively. So we 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:35.400 were doing these kind of like experiments where we were 0:16:35.480 --> 0:16:39.520 using AI to build certain things, and we used Notebook 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:42.400 LM to create a podcast, and do you know, we 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:46.720 uploaded what the input was a picture of something that 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:50.240 he drew on this whiteboard in his handwriting. It's like 0:16:50.520 --> 0:16:52.880 chopped up words, and it just like kind of showed 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:56.160 like the this ecosystem that we were trying to create 0:16:56.640 --> 0:17:01.320 and Notebook LM took it and made like a twenty 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.520 five minute podcast and it was spot on. There were 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.800 two hosts, it was crystal clear, everything made sense. 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:13.000 I was like, we barely gave it anything. It was amazing. 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:14.200 It's nuts. 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.320 It's nuts, and what's even crazier now, So like for 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.840 anyone listening, basically what you can do is you can 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:24.240 give notebook LM, which is a Google product. You can 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.119 give it sources. So I could just like go to 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.960 like five different websites and be like use these as sources. 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:31.720 Or I could upload a transcript, or I could upload 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:36.000 I actually had chatgybt do a deep research on myself 0:17:36.119 --> 0:17:39.400 and my brand, fed it that and then it basically 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.320 was a podcast of two people talking about me. And 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.480 I was like, this is so like weird, meta, narcissistic, 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:50.200 but also like amazing, Like this is so crazy because 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:55.080 now they've introduced like the like live version, so like 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:58.600 basically they can be having their conversation and you can 0:17:58.640 --> 0:17:59.919 be like I want to raise my hand and as 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.960 a question and they'll it'll respond to you. 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:04.080 It's oh my. 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:06.480 God, it's so crazy. It's so crazy. 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:09.919 There's so many, so many tools though too that you 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:12.120 can clone your voice, which is a little bit scary. 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:15.800 As just like a quick aside. I think everyone and 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.520 your family should have like a safe word now, so 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.560 that like if you're getting phone calls from someone and 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:22.320 it sounds a little bit weird and you're. 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:23.320 Like, is this really? 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.520 Then oh, you know, we have this because this is 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.440 what's happening is people are like scammed. And so if 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.280 you have a word that you can say, hey, what's 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:32.560 the safe word or whatever, and they don't know what 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.760 that word is, then like they're probably not that person, right, 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.200 So just something to think about as a weird world. 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:44.720 Yeah, thinking about recreating voices, how about recreating your own persona? 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.960 I tried out hey Jin, which is a generative AI 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.840 tool that lets you make avatars of yourself. Now I 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:56.119 wasn't sold, but I'm curious, Laura, what's your go to 0:18:56.359 --> 0:18:58.360 for this sort of thing? Do you make a videos 0:18:58.359 --> 0:18:58.920 of yourself? 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.840 So I've like messed around with it a little bit, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:05.680 Like when it first came out, I made a real 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.320 that wasn't actually me. But I don't do it a 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:11.600 lot because here's my kind of thought on it. 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.880 In with all of the AI happening. 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:21.120 People are really looking for personality and want to connect 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.800