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Speaker 3: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. That was good, and then of

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Speaker 3: course the ceremony is that all being done with this speech?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: The word I use was like, their explosives aren't explosives.

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Speaker 3: So what's the definition of an explosive play? Plus twenty

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Speaker 3: Now is that in the air or that's a catch? No,

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Speaker 3: just has to be in the air. No, it's just

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Speaker 3: a twenty yard play. Okay, Well, I don't know what

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Speaker 3: the difference is.

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Speaker 4: It's not just you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Now, Well, like if guy breaks five tackles, then in

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Speaker 3: your definition that becomes an explosive play. If he gets over.

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Speaker 1: Twenty yards, yeah, because it's supposed to.

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Speaker 3: To me, that's not an explosive play. Okay, anyways, but

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Speaker 3: I thought it blitz is when they sent an extra guy.

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Speaker 3: It's not where they send it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes guys drop out and then it comes from a safety.

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Speaker 1: And that's what that's That's right.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't matter where they come from, it's how many come.

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Speaker 4: If there's five guys across the line of scrimmage, right,

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Speaker 4: and then there's five offensive linement.

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Speaker 1: Not a blitz.

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Speaker 3: If I have a hat on every hat, it's not

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Speaker 3: a blitz, right, That's what I'm Yeah, but it doesn't

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Speaker 3: matter where it comes.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what they're arguing about.

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Speaker 3: That stadium as.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Jersey Mice just sitting out there, Police's place.

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Speaker 4: I just want Jersey Mike's as a sponsor that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, right, we'll try all kinds of Oh I guess

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Speaker 6: what the freestyle a little bit without Freddy.

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Speaker 1: So fred in case you didn't hear, as advocating for

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Speaker 1: a sponsor for the studio. Yeah, having some mic issues

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Speaker 1: right now. So well, Kenny Marine Corps gets that one

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Speaker 1: straightened out. We're all in favor of the Jersey Mics.

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Speaker 3: It's working now, Ny, all right.

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Speaker 1: Slow play that, Paul.

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Speaker 6: Just a quick recap of the first thirty seconds of

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Speaker 6: the show and then the second thirty seconds of the show.

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Speaker 1: To handle that well, perfect, Thanks, Okay, like a pro.

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Speaker 3: I'm back. I'm back, all right, So it's Deuce, it's Evan,

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Speaker 3: it's Paul, it's me. We're here talking Patriots. It's turned

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Speaker 3: the page Wednesday. We're talking about the Caroline of Panthers.

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Speaker 1: Bryce Young, I'm gonna have a hard time with this one, righty, Tua,

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Speaker 1: you say that's not a terrible comp's yeah, okay.

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Speaker 3: More a little more willing to run than Tua maybe

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Speaker 3: a little bit, yes, okay, but too small, too small

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Speaker 4: Only throws the middle of the field.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If you ask him to drive it outside the numbers

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Speaker 4: or drive it deep, you're you're asking to do things

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Speaker 4: that he's not great at. He loves to live in

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Speaker 4: the short game, in the middle of the fie.

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Speaker 1: Just like to I, They're like, I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: about their last five quarters of football pretty remarkable.

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Speaker 6: I think they were down twenty seven to three to

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Speaker 6: last week the Falcons. Evan has some thoughts on on

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Speaker 1: Could you give your boy some static for.

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Speaker 4: That Barth Yeah, oh yeah, your boy Pennix just in

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Speaker 4: a blender, like like he threw a flat to the flat,

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Speaker 4: like I just I don't understand that. Like it was,

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Speaker 1: The weirdest thing I've seen in all while.

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Speaker 4: Because the spacing and the depths of the routes, it

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Speaker 4: Atlanta's like kind of panicking that they lost thirty to

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Speaker 3: But I always you know, when a bad team is

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Speaker 1: I sort of looked at it. I think Atlanta had

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Speaker 1: I think they did. They miss a field goal too,

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Speaker 1: But to your point, Fred, like the Patriots had all

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Speaker 1: those calamities happen, and it's a twenty one to fourteen game,

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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, right now it feels it feels I think

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Speaker 6: you've had two fifty wins games. I mean I call

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Speaker 6: But this is another fifty fifty going off.

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Speaker 3: You're going on the road for three straight weeks after

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Speaker 3: this one, one of which is Buffalo on a Sunday night. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Because then you're one from being objective, right Buffalo, Right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean that's that's the whole. Like, this is a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeh. Panthers though, I mean I think they

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Speaker 1: Mean j C. Horn our old guy Paul that we

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Speaker 6: So they have they have some pieces, but in a

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Speaker 1: These are the games you have to you have to

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Speaker 6: So I think, especially being at home, after how last

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Speaker 1: We know what a challenge that's going to be that game. Yeah, yep.

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Speaker 3: So where are we now? Where do you think this

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Speaker 6: I just when you make that many mistakes, it's hard

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Speaker 1: Now, they'll be fine this week. They won't turn it over.

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Speaker 6: One thing I would point out that I said to

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Speaker 6: So maybe I'm looking for some silver linings and some

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Speaker 1: It's hard to say, oh, yeah, they're not going to

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Speaker 3: You mentioned, Uh, they only have one sack on the season.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they they really they drafted to edge rushers

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Speaker 1: You wonderively I think a little bit, and I'm with Mike,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, a lot of caters just for Tadian Sanders in

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Speaker 1: Four catches for eight yards. That means they can't get

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question quite a bit it does.

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Speaker 3: Be going to Mike Rabel's press conference live at about

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Speaker 1: Like the last couple of weeks we've gone out there

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Speaker 6: the edge too, Does that add a new twist? I mean,

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Speaker 6: I'm not I don't want to make out Jolanne Toby

439
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Speaker 6: to be the savior, but I think when he was

440
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Speaker 6: in the right role in the Patriots defense, he played

441
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Speaker 6: played really well.

442
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Speaker 1: He had some stretches of really good play.

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Speaker 6: I just like his size and ability to you know,

444
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Speaker 6: I'm not sitting here saying the run defense needs size,

445
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Speaker 6: but you know, I think he gives them a little

446
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Speaker 6: bit of a different option than than Ellis does. So

447
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Speaker 6: I'm really curious how that all plays out.

448
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Speaker 1: Once it's a better player than that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been a weak spot for them for the

450
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Speaker 4: first three games. I mean, Splain had a nice bounce

451
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Speaker 4: back last week, but you can't look at Christian. I

452
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Speaker 4: mean Christian Let's got benched on Sunday. So obviously Devai

453
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Speaker 4: is gonna have some opportunities and uh, you know, could

454
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Speaker 4: be a better answer next to Splaine than Ellis. So yeah,

455
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Speaker 4: I don't think it's weird to bring it up. And

456
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Speaker 4: he was in the locker room last week when we

457
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Speaker 4: were in there, which usually is a sign that maybe

458
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Speaker 4: you know he's around and he's you know, starting to

459
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Speaker 4: ramp it up maybe, so you know, like Paul said,

460
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Speaker 4: he's one week away but could be back.

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Speaker 1: But it was interesting too.

462
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Speaker 6: Sorry for one more thing was just the cornerback just

463
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Speaker 6: traded from Tennessee to the Jets and reports that the

464
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Speaker 6: Patriots weren't on that as well.

465
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Speaker 1: Just thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 6: With Alex Austin last week similarly getting benched, how do

467
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Speaker 6: they feel about Charles Woods?

468
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Speaker 1: Is he going to be back in this week? Well,

469
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Speaker 1: and then you look and they're clearly they're not thrilled

470
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Speaker 1: with their depth at that spot, you know, like you had.

471
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Speaker 1: DJ James had some snaps in the opener and evidently

472
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Speaker 1: those didn't go too well because he ended up getting

473
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Speaker 1: released shortly thereafter. Right, So now Austin is in there,

474
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Speaker 1: he loses some playing time. Charles Woods they just claimed

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Speaker 1: off waivers at the start of the season. Now he's

476
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Speaker 1: in a role. So you know, he lost Marcellus Dio,

477
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Speaker 1: who might have represented some depth. I know he would

478
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Speaker 1: have been a special teams guy for them, but he

479
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Speaker 1: might have represented some depth in the secondary. They lost him,

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Speaker 1: so they're still searching there for, you know, the secondary spots.

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Speaker 3: Franklin and Baltimore writes in at Podcasts at Patriots dot Com.

482
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Speaker 3: He says, I'd be cautious about downplaying the Panthers defense,

483
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Speaker 3: particularly their secondary. Even taking away what they did to Penix,

484
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Speaker 3: they pretty much shut down at both Arizona and Jacksonville

485
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Speaker 3: and aren't a defense susceptible to big passing plays. The

486
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Speaker 3: best way to attack them has been through the running game,

487
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Speaker 3: where they ranked near the bottom of the league. So

488
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Speaker 3: we'll see if that's the route Josh goes in terms

489
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Speaker 3: of game planning, but so far the Panthers have proven

490
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Speaker 3: to be a difficult group to pass against. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not taking the Panthers defense.

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Speaker 1: Likely, not downplaying the defense at all. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the strength of the team. Now, I would say that

494
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville had twenty six, Arizona had twenty seven. If you

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Speaker 1: can sign me up for that now, I'll take that

496
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Speaker 1: and be comfortable that the Patriots will win the game

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Speaker 1: if they can get to the mid to upper twenty. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The Cardinals game was sneaky though, because I remember watching

499
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Speaker 4: the Cardinals game back and thinking that was actually like

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Speaker 4: a pretty good performance by the Panthers defense. I thought

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Speaker 4: there was a lot of things that they did in

502
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Speaker 4: that game that were pretty good. But then you look

503
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Speaker 4: up and they still gave up twenty seven points, so

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Speaker 4: it wasn't perfect.

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Speaker 1: They don't get a lot of help from the offense.

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Speaker 1: Although he's just looking at the numbers, like they're better

507
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Speaker 1: on third down defensively, then like offenses thirty nine percent,

508
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Speaker 1: they only allow thirty eight percent. You know, their defense,

509
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Speaker 1: So their defense has played well and that they'll probably

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Speaker 1: show up and try to keep them in the game

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Speaker 1: on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, their defensive coordinator, Everro is kind of like a

513
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Speaker 4: hot up and coming coach candidate.

514
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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: He's a good schemer and has gotten some head coach

516
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Speaker 4: interviews already in some of the last couple of cycles.

517
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Speaker 4: So it's a name that that's come up a few times.

518
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Speaker 4: And he was he.

519
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Speaker 1: Around here summer to ago, like checking out practice with Bill.

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Speaker 1: I might be thinking of somebody else. Maybe I never

521
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Speaker 1: heard that name in my life. I'm just looking at

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Speaker 1: right now, Zero, I've never heard that name.

523
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's uh, he's he's maybe he's good. I like

524
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Speaker 4: what they do. They they disguise pressure Fred, they don't.

525
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Speaker 4: They don't blitz, they disguise.

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Speaker 1: They don't do the red Dog, Yeah, red Dog.

527
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Speaker 3: They play a.

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Speaker 1: Lot of ZP get the red ass the red Dog. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: But they change it up post snap, you know, they

530
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Speaker 4: changed the picture and they blitz from different places. And

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Speaker 4: they haven't. They have basically no pass rush, so they

532
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Speaker 4: he's kind of has to scheme it up and generate pressure,

533
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Speaker 4: and I think he's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jacket and Abba writes in for the five Panthers below,

535
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Speaker 3: each member of the PEU team must declare whether he's

536
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Speaker 3: a stutter of stiff. It must be one of the other,

537
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Speaker 3: no middle ground. So stutter stiff, Bryce Young, Yeah, Hunter,

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Speaker 3: Renfro Stiff, shove a Hubbard.

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Speaker 1: Stud stiff, if I have to say one or the other, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: stud stiff. Playing to Shawn Wharton, who I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say stiff, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Finally, J C.

543
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Speaker 4: Horn, he's a I think he might be their best player.

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Speaker 1: Brown, maybe Ted eventually.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, anything else we need to talk about

546
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Speaker 3: Panthers or Patriots or NFL before we really open it

547
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Speaker 3: up to listeners and remind.

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Speaker 1: Us that, and you know, they all talked about it.

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Speaker 1: I think the email had talked, don't sleep on the defense,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, that the running game. This is a week

551
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Speaker 1: that I know everybody said it last week about Pittsburgh

552
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Speaker 1: and I was sort of skeptical because Pittsburgh's reputation is

553
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Speaker 1: not being that soft against the run, and I think

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Speaker 1: that we saw that that was kind of circumstantial. They

555
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Speaker 1: were much better against the run against the Patriots. This

556
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Speaker 1: is a Tania allow in almost five and a half

557
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Speaker 1: a carry through three games. So you should be able

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Speaker 1: to run the ball against this team and maybe if

559
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Speaker 1: that secondary is as good as as we're talking about,

560
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Speaker 1: that's a good way to move the ball and score

561
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Speaker 1: points this week and it has gone to it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just hold on to it is right now. That also

563
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Speaker 1: takes it if you want to run the ball, the

564
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Speaker 1: other kid who's going to run it?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean that's why I was going to run it.

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Speaker 3: Twelve fifty five is much must watch, uh video because

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Speaker 3: I'm sure your people will be asking Mike V what

568
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Speaker 3: are you going to do about Remandre and you know,

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Speaker 3: even Drake to but.

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Speaker 1: He'll answer it. I mean he was asked about it

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Speaker 1: on Monday.

572
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Speaker 3: Right, and he said, I only have twenty minutes.

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Speaker 1: No, that was Sunday. Yea said that he was asked

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Speaker 1: about it on Monday and it was like, we got

575
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Speaker 1: to protect the guy with the ball, which is his

576
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Speaker 1: big answer. We're going to practice the crap out of it,

577
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Speaker 1: and you have to focus as much as you know

578
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Speaker 1: the guys around and protect the guy with the ball,

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Speaker 1: whether that be the.

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Speaker 3: Quarterback, who's the who's going to have the ball.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if he's going

582
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Speaker 1: to answer that, but yeah, that'd be interesting to see

583
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Speaker 1: if because he has been sort of forthcoming at times, right, right,

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Speaker 1: So normally I would say, well, he's not going to

585
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Speaker 1: tell you, Fred, but I'm not going to say that

586
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Speaker 1: now you don't know because you don't know Mike is

587
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Speaker 1: that's a wild card.

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Speaker 6: That's why I have to watch every Friday gets up.

589
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Speaker 6: He's like questionable, questionable, questionable.

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Speaker 1: So refreshing answer that's so refreshing.

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Speaker 4: So they have guys that are limited in practice during

592
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: the week a lot, and then we get to Friday

593
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 4: and like they might have ten guys on the injury

594
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Speaker 4: report today and it's like, yeah, the only guys that

595
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Speaker 4: have designations. Are these two dudes, Yeah, like you know,

596
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 4: and it's like so they're like kind of manage injuries,

597
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 4: I think on Wednesdays and Thursdays and Fridays. But then

598
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Speaker 4: when we get to it, it's like, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: Gonzo questionable, west Over questionable. Everybody else is fine.

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Speaker 3: Curtis and Saint Louis writes in a couple questions after

601
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Speaker 3: three weeks, what would you say is our biggest need

602
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: position wise? My concern for Moses durability is growing, as

603
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 3: you've discussed since his signing. What is our best option

604
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Speaker 3: if he misses significant time?

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Speaker 4: Marcus Bryant would be there, the top backup at right tackle.

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Speaker 4: But I it's only three weeks in and we'll have

607
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: six months to talk about the draft. But like looking ahead,

608
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 4: because I I'll tend to do me too, uh, skill positions, Like,

609
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Speaker 4: I really think that you've done enough. We get to

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Speaker 4: the end of the season and we think that Wilson

611
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 4: and Campbell can play. I think you've done enough in

612
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 4: the trenches that getting Drake a true number one, top

613
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: flight receiver has got to be the number one.

614
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: Yea, even if you have like there was a call

615
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Speaker 1: that we had that had a doomsday scenario, I think

616
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: of having those two linemen slide inside. Even if that happens,

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Speaker 1: I still wouldn't advocate taking a tackle in the first round.

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Speaker 1: I'm with Evan, they need the last two games weapons,

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Speaker 1: their last two full games. Their wide receivers have not

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Speaker 1: combined for one hundred yards. You know, the first game,

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Speaker 1: obviously you got the good, good performance by Booty. Since then,

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Speaker 1: I think they had five different receivers catch the ball

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Speaker 1: and they didn't combine for one hundred yards in either game.

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Speaker 1: They need, they need some help and the production. They

625
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: got to be better because it's hard to just throw

626
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Speaker 1: the ball to tight ends in running backs, and especially

627
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Speaker 1: when you're not running the ball all that well, they

628
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Speaker 1: got to find a way to get more guys involved

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Speaker 1: in bigger plays.

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Speaker 3: Lastly, Evan, I'm lockstep with you as it comes to

631
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Speaker 3: the Josh McDaniels is doing and what we are seeing

632
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Speaker 3: and getting out of digs. I do have a very

633
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Speaker 3: small concern that if he does not get more involved,

634
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Speaker 3: he may start checking out and the frustration set in.

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Speaker 3: I think they need to scheme him up for a

636
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Speaker 3: few plays in the end zone. Get the guy a

637
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: few touchdowns to help keep him motivated and positive.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair. I mean, we talked a

639
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 4: lot about Josh McDaniels and what they're doing schematically, and

640
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 4: Paul just kind of mentioned it, like they're really running

641
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Speaker 4: the offense with the tight ends and the running backs,

642
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 4: and they're getting everything out of it that they possibly can.

643
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Speaker 4: And I think it's it's three weeks and you know,

644
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Speaker 4: one of the concerns I brought up is like, all right,

645
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Speaker 4: in December and January, when everybody kind of figures out

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Speaker 4: what you're doing, Like do you have a secondary pitch

647
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Speaker 4: that you can go to that is a compliment to

648
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Speaker 4: some of the things that they started doing in September.

649
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Speaker 4: But I give Josh a lot of credit for like

650
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Speaker 4: Hunter Henry and roman Ry Stevenson are basically the focal

651
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Speaker 4: points of this offense right now, and they're they're moving

652
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Speaker 4: the ball by orchestrating everything around those two guys. And

653
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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to throw shots at them, but like

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Speaker 4: that's it's not exactly you know, Sekwon Barkley and you

655
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Speaker 4: know George Kittle right, like a right, I can't think

656
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Speaker 4: of it, No.

657
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,880
Speaker 1: I get it, and I've been with it. Mike and

658
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: I have been talking about this, you know, a lot

659
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 1: in the bullpen. It's, you know, so they want to

660
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: be you know, they're not saying they want to They

661
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: have been relying on twelve personnel a lot, and it's

662
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: and it's worked, and I saw a great thing with

663
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: Dane Rolovski yesterday talking about that. But I think that

664
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: one of the advantages you get from that is it

665
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: really allows you to sort of dictate what the defense

666
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: is going to do. If the defense wants to play bass,

667
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: you you know, you maybe you do some different things

668
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: and create some matchups with your tight ends on linebackers.

669
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: If they want to go nickel, then obviously you just

670
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: power up and run it at them. They're not run

671
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: the ball well enough right now to take advantage of those.

672
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: So at some point, to Evan's point, if you continue

673
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: to do this twelve personnel and teams are going to

674
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: adjust to it, At what point does it the opposition say, well,

675
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: if they want to run, I'm just gonna let him run.

676
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to make sure I keep you know, some

677
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: coverage out here and not allow Hunter Henry to get

678
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: five catches for ninety yards or whatever it.

679
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 4: Was ninety eight, they had some good Gibson had some

680
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 4: good first down runs on duo, you know, running behind

681
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 4: the double teams in the last game. But your larger

682
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: point is right, and you know, the big matchups, like

683
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 4: they came out in twelve personnel with the tight end

684
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: in the backfield and the split back, and they ran

685
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 4: a play for eighteen yards on a wheel to Hunter

686
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 4: Henry where they got the Steelers in base defense, and

687
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 4: then they got them in base with the twelve with

688
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: the two tight ends, and then they spread the field

689
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 4: and they had Hunter Henry on a linebacker and they

690
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 4: actually had Mac Collins with Jabriel Pepper's on him in

691
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: the slot on a deep crossing route. And like, those

692
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 4: are the types of matchup that that formation and that

693
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 4: personnel grouping can present if defenses have to play bass

694
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: at against you in twelve. You know, the Detroit Lions

695
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 4: right now are probably doing this on steroids. Like they're

696
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 4: the ones that are kind of the bells of the

697
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 4: ball in this regard. But you know, to Paul's point,

698
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 4: like if you put three corner nickel out there and

699
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 4: you're only giving up three and a half four yards

700
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 4: of carry, then you kind of live with that, and

701
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: then you don't have the matchups of Henry on a linebacker,

702
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 4: a receiver on a safety, and like that's that's the

703
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 4: schemed open things that Josh is kind of creating right

704
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 4: now with those formations.

705
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was exactly what me and Paul were talking

706
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 6: about this morning, and it starts with cleaning up the mistakes.

707
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 6: But cleaning up the mistakes isn't going to be enough,

708
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 6: especially as you said, like getting later into the season.

709
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 6: We talked a little about the twenty one season where

710
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,479
Speaker 6: it came out Mac was kind of dealing and then yeah,

711
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 6: after the buye it seemed like they had kind of

712
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 6: figured him out.

713
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: Was that a Mac thing? Was that a Josh thing?

714
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 6: Was that another instance of just you don't have a

715
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 6: second punch that emerges, You don't have those wide receivers emerging.

716
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 6: So yeah, I agree with with what you guys are saying.

717
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 6: Those They got to find a way to get production

718
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 6: and whether it's given Kyle Williams more of an opportunity,

719
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 6: seeing a little bit more digs, giving Chisholm a chance, eventually,

720
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 6: I think they got to continue to push those buttons

721
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 6: and try to find a way to just see some

722
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 6: chemistry with Drake I think will be good.

723
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Speaker 1: And that's why I am encouraged, because I do feel

724
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: like in twenty one it was kind of smoke and mirrors.

725
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't think the offense was as good as the

726
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: numbers suggested, but I do think that largely I felt

727
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: that way because I thought there was limitations with the

728
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: quarterback that I do not feel exist.

729
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: Now.

730
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: There are no limitations with your quarterback. In my view,

731
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: I think he's capable of doing anything that Josh McDaniels

732
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: could possibly want, just a matter of getting I think

733
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: more playmakers in here to help them out. Yeah, I

734
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: totally agree with that.

735
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 6: I was thinking about the same thing last night, and

736
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 6: it's just it's hard to not think about that position.

737
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 6: I would also, I would just throw in a couple

738
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 6: other spots though, of like, you know, Austin Hooper's going

739
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 6: to be up, he's been really solid, But do you

740
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 6: look at some of these young tight ends.

741
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: Maybe amid day two selection gets a guy with a

742
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: little bit of.

743
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 6: Ju in that spot. And then on the defensive side,

744
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 6: I think Chase On's up. You need a young edge.

745
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 6: Talked a lot about that. Who's going to be next

746
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 6: to displaying long term for the next couple of years.

747
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 6: I'd look there, and i'd also look at the safety spot.

748
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 6: I think that's really a critical position in this defense

749
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 6: that I'm not sure they quite have the personality just yet.

750
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 3: I want to start off this is an email. I

751
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 3: want to start off as saying I'm not the same

752
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 3: net Nate in Connecticut that's been calling you regularly for

753
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 3: a few months. Well, then, Nate and Connecticut, you're gonna

754
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 3: have to come up with a different name, like Nate

755
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 3: two in Connecticut or Nate Squared or something.

756
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 1: I don't know.

757
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: Anyway, I've been listening to your show since six o seven, nice,

758
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: and I've even emailed a few times. I wanted to

759
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: say I agree with Fred and Evan. There is something

760
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: about the Patriots this year that makes me so encourage

761
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: for the future. It seems like a different team. I

762
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 3: just hope they can stop shooting themselves in the foot

763
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: multiple times a game. And I kind of agree with

764
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: Fred at blitz should be when a team is rushing

765
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 3: more players than there are blockers.

766
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. I like this Nate in Connecticut

767
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: that I'd.

768
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 4: Like to get like David Ane in here to talk

769
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 4: about Mike points and protections and if you're sliding this

770
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 4: way and then they bring them.

771
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: Okay, well maybe maybe if you overload a side that's

772
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: a blitz, maybe we could agree there.

773
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: Yes, okay maybe, but it.

774
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: Doesn't matter such a philosophical discussion.

775
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 3: I just remember Bill Belichick saying that that it's when

776
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 3: you have more people than you can block.

777
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was big on I remember specifically, the five

778
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 4: man rushes are not blitzeres to him, like when you

779
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 4: have five guys on the line of scrimmage that all rush.

780
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 4: He did not consider that, Like that's a to him,

781
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 4: that's like an old school three four right, Like that's

782
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 4: not you're not rushing, you're not blitzing there. But I digress, all.

783
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 1: Right, whatever?

784
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: Uh. Jeremiah writes and Paul and Evan have been saying

785
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 3: what I've been advocating for after the whole thing with

786
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: Pop last game, which is put digs in the slot.

787
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 3: The slot is too big of a position in this

788
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: offense to not have them on the same page with

789
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 3: the quarterback. I wouldn't want to cut Pop out of

790
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 3: the offense entirely, just decreases snaps and make up for

791
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 3: lost speed in the offense by using Williams and Henderson more.

792
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 4: I think it's time to see a little Kyle Williams.

793
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: I agree with that. I like that even if it's

794
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 4: just a limited routree where he's just basically running like

795
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: posting go routes and deep crossers and things like, he

796
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: doesn't have to reinvent the wheel. But what the very

797
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 4: little that we've seen of him, I actually have liked

798
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 4: all of the routes that he has run. I think

799
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 4: he's gotten open. I think he's caught the ball when

800
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 4: it's thrown his way. So I think it's time to

801
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 4: see a little bit of Kyle Williams because he just

802
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 4: he might be just a more complete like traditional receiver

803
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 4: compared to Pop, where a Pop I think is probably

804
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 4: a gadget player that on this team is being used

805
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 4: as a full time receiver.

806
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: Snaps have gone down, yeah, especially in Miami. But even

807
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: in this game, he didn't play as much as did

808
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: in the first game. Right that. I don't have the

809
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: exact numbers. It's one of those that I get in trouble.

810
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 4: I'll John Gruden he played a little bit more in

811
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 4: this one.

812
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: He played more this one than he did in Miami,

813
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: but I don't think I think he played more in

814
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: the Raiders than he did neither of the other two.

815
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 3: Probably all right, eight five to five Pats five hundred

816
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 3: is the hot line, as you can see on the screen.

817
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: Hot line.

818
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: Let's go to the phones. We'll start with our friend

819
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 3: Christian in La. What's up? Christian nine snawy you guys good?

820
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 8: It's pay Hello, Paul, how you been my cranky brother?

821
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: Hey? How are you hey?

822
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 9: So I'm thinking that if we were to play exactly

823
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 9: like we played last week, minus the the turnovers, I

824
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 9: think we win this game going away. You're right that

825
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 9: Bryce Young seems to be sort of one trick pony

826
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 9: as far as where he wants to go with the

827
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 9: ball and legit as the bus. So if we take

828
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 9: away the middle, which I think we have the talent too,

829
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 9: I don't think the game is going to be as

830
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 9: difficult as this point of making it out deep. I

831
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 9: think we really have coalesced, at least in the idea

832
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 9: of how we want to play the game. So I'm

833
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 9: happy about that. My real question for you guys is this,

834
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 9: speaking of the turnovers last week and going to have

835
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 9: those backs, if you guys could go back in your

836
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 9: entire sports career and play one game over, just to.

837
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 10: Do over game.

838
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 9: What game would it be and what thing would you

839
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 9: do that would either or undo that could have changed

840
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 9: the outcome of that game. Okay, I'll take it up

841
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 9: the air.

842
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: This is our personal sports career that we're talking about here.

843
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 4: I don't, I mean I do.

844
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: I do.

845
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 3: But you look at a third strike and a bay

846
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: Ruth All. I'm sure I'd like to have that one back.

847
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 6: I definitely have one, But I feel like if I

848
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 6: changed the result of that game, it would have altered

849
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 6: my whole trajectory and Lily, So I don't think I

850
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 6: could do it, but it would. If I had to

851
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 6: pick one, it would have been my junior year first

852
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 6: state playoff game where we played Charlestown and they had

853
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 6: a kid playing goalie who had never played goal before

854
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 6: because their goalie got hurt, and we some how lost

855
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 6: to the team three to two, And I probably should

856
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 6: have had at least three goals, but I just.

857
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: Didn't couldn't score, which was the theme of my career anyway.

858
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 6: But but if I could go back and score those goals,

859
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 6: we should have beaten that you lost to Charlestowns in hockey.

860
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: So that's why it's the one game I would go

861
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,479
Speaker 1: back and change.

862
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 6: That's but it was not just Charlestown, but with a

863
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,359
Speaker 6: kid playing goal who hadn't played goal.

864
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,800
Speaker 3: That must be a hero.

865
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: That oh man, they lost the next round. It was.

866
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: It was terrible. But that Charlie Coyle. There was no

867
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: one in there. They're probably all there was. There is

868
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 1: some of them are from Charlestown, but they don't play

869
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: for Charles.

870
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 4: That's who it was.

871
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, but have we won that game, then I probably

872
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 6: wouldn't end up leaving that school.

873
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,680
Speaker 1: And I think like that loss was the big reason

874
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 1: I lost.

875
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 4: So wow, it all worked out.

876
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: It all worked out.

877
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: That's why I wouldn't change it. But it was like

878
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: you played a lot of games. Sometimes came through at

879
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: the end. Sometimes I didn't let it go. I remember

880
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: misplaying a fly ball with two outs in the last

881
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: inning and allowed the tying and winning go ahead runs

882
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: to score. In the last inning of a senior baby

883
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 1: rooth game, I caught my spike. I told the story,

884
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: and I caught my spike and my stirrup and as

885
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: I was walking back, drifting back tripped over myself, made

886
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: a fool of myself. There were girls there. Very traumatic,

887
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: very traumatic.

888
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: His Italian horn hit in the eye.

889
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: It's like seventeen. It was very embarrassing. I was too

890
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: old to just be able to you know, fluff off

891
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: a bad error, you know.

892
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 6: Speaking of that was we had a funny interaction we

893
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 6: were I was talking with Kellen, our camera guy in

894
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 6: the locker room on Monday, and we were talking about Scatibo,

895
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 6: who you know, had a really fun game, and right

896
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 6: as Tommy DaVita was walking bys, funny they got they

897
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 6: got a mic up scatter bow, and DeVito just kind

898
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 6: of stopped and turned and was like, could never do it,

899
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 6: could never do it.

900
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: They could never do that. It's funny.

901
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:58,919
Speaker 3: Sean, Deshaun and Virginia, what's up, good, Sean.

902
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 10: I want to look through what the first person said

903
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 10: in their email and basically about to lose to I

904
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 10: was about to lose to you guys. Well as far

905
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 10: as like I don't think that you can basically overlook

906
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 10: any team on this schedule when it comes as far

907
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 10: as what the Pats should be able to do, or

908
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 10: with what the Fats to be able to do, or

909
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 10: what they should not be able to do until because

910
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 10: the offense lacks so much explosiveness or whatever. Like, when

911
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 10: you have to work so hard to move the ball

912
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 10: to score, to try to score points, it makes itself

913
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 10: a lot more prone for turnovers. Yeah, if anybody expects,

914
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 10: you know, the just to roll in a lot of

915
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 10: these games or whatever or even have a chance of

916
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 10: you know, pulling these games out, you got to be

917
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 10: able to score. That's the bottom line.

918
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, where the team? Where the team that Bill Belichick said,

919
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: We're going to make them march down the field because

920
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 3: I think they're going to make a mistake. Yeah, you

921
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: know where that team right now?

922
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

923
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 10: So you have to do that two league times. It

924
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 10: makes you a lot more prone for mistakes, you know.

925
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 10: And then when people talk about also while we're I

926
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 10: want to touch on two with Stevenson, Stevens said fumble not

927
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 10: only with Bill Bulatech, but he also has done it

928
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 10: with Mayo and now he's doing it with Brave. So

929
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 10: when people talk them, oh yeah, you can try to

930
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 10: coach it out, you can't. It depends on like I said,

931
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 10: it depends on the player. The player's got to be

932
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 10: able to make shore that he fought getting the gym

933
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 10: and improve his grips strains telling on to the ball. Yeah,

934
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 10: coach that that's just the bottom line.

935
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: Yep, thanks Sean to that point.

936
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 3: Angelo in New York, right, Sin, he went in looked

937
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: at Stevenson in college. Cerrito College, he had three fumbles

938
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty two carries, one every seventy four.

939
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: At Oklahoma he had three four one hundred and sixty five,

940
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: one ever fifty one every fifty five carries, and so

941
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 3: far in his NFL career as a fumble every sixty carries.

942
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,479
Speaker 3: The NFL running back average is one every ninety three.

943
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

944
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 4: Well, he also didn't really have fumbling issues early on

945
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 4: in his career. This is really like a two year thing.

946
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: I mean going back to last season. You know, it

947
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 4: didn't really have a ton of fumbles in twenty one

948
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 4: or twenty two. I mean, maybe a couple, but it wasn't.

949
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: He fumbled in his first game and then Bill put

950
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: him on the bench for a month. Yeah.

951
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really hard spot for them to be in.

952
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, I didn't. So I did see something with

953
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: Devin mccordy which I thought was interesting and I think

954
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: he was talking with Florio on Derrick Henry specifically with

955
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: his fumbling issue, who, by the way, is fumbled. Sorry,

956
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: Mike fumbled once in each of the first three games.

957
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: Docking largely cost his team two of those games with

958
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: those fumbles. Dev was talking about the elbow being too low,

959
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: and he understands that not everybody's going to do the

960
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 1: tiki barber, you know, like the high and tight. But

961
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: he said, when the elbow is low like that, it

962
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: just exposes so much of the ball. And he goes

963
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: the defensive backs are just looking at that as an

964
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: invitation to come in with a punch, and he sort

965
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: of demonstrated how you could change that angle a little

966
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: bit and give much less to to get at. And

967
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: he was talking again about Derek Henry, not about Rimondre Stevenson.

968
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: But I think that if you looked at it, there's

969
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 1: some similarities there. I thought both of those fumbles were

970
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 1: really weak fumbles for Stevenson on Sunday. Actually the one, yeah,

971
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: it was just kind of like someone touched the ball.

972
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't a punch or anything.

973
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 4: I hope him just like had his hand on the

974
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 4: ball when he was tackling him. The second one, Cam Hayward,

975
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 4: I think might have got a hand in there and

976
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 4: punched at it. But I think that that's all valid

977
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: points like from Devin. Obviously it's good analysis, but like,

978
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: don't you think that these things have already been.

979
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: That's what's about, That's what's frustrating. This has been such

980
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 1: a huge issue too. Yeah, all we talked about last year.

981
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 4: And then he also said that in the off season

982
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: he was working with weighted footballs to like work on

983
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 4: his like grip strength and the you know, the forearm

984
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 4: strength while he was carrying the ball to so.

985
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: Did just figure out how that would help? Like, what

986
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: about a lighter football? This is all, well, it's.

987
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: Just having more weight, just build up a bit.

988
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 6: I would make like a light, slippery football that was

989
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 6: like really hard to hold my point.

990
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: Made out of helium.

991
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 4: He's tried like a lot of these things, and he

992
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 4: keeps putting the ball on the ground. So it's just

993
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 4: that's a demoralizing part is that it's not like he

994
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 4: hasn't been coached on it. They're trying, you.

995
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: Know what Caroline is talking about this week, same thing.

996
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 3: Well, Kevin writes in and he's in mass somewhere he said,

997
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: if you check out Remandre Stevenson unmockable mock draft table

998
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 3: dot com, you find that he's in the twentieth percentile

999
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 3: for running backs in both hand size and arm length.

1000
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 3: I mean, this is the root cause of his fumbling issues.

1001
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: Ball doesn't sit well on his forearm, and the hand

1002
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 3: grap grip is weaker than a larger hand would have.

1003
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 3: I would venture to guess that for a bigger body

1004
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 3: power back, his short arms and small hands are even

1005
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: more of an outlier if you remove the smaller third

1006
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: down receiving running backs from the data set. I fear

1007
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 3: that technique improvements will never overcome this physical liability.

1008
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: It's interesting, interesting, Ober, I don't know, twenty percentile, Like

1009
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 4: we're not talking about like the zero percent baby hand. Yeah,

1010
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 4: Like twenty percentile means that there's still quite a bit

1011
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 4: of running backs that have his hand size that.

1012
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: Don't fumble nine times in the last However, now to

1013
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:22,319
Speaker 1: your point, he didn't fumble a lot in twenty one

1014
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 1: and twenty two.

1015
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like we did this with you know, dull percent

1016
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 4: like Will Campbell's like arm length and wingspan is like

1017
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 4: like one or zero percentile for tackles that's an outlier,

1018
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 4: like twentieth percentile. I think we're getting into the category

1019
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 4: of like there's enough of people that have succeeded with that.

1020
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I keep landing on this space of I

1021
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 6: don't think you can. You just don't have the personnel

1022
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 6: to jettison him now. But do you even if he

1023
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 6: doesn't fumble the rest of the season, do you get

1024
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 6: to this offseason and you say, Okay, like this has

1025
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 6: been an issue, he wasn't our guy. Let's get one

1026
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 6: of our guys in here.

1027
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,040
Speaker 3: Let me see the rest of the season.

1028
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: I had, you know, because I think what Fred's alluding

1029
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: to I would sort of agree with. So just saying

1030
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: he doesn't fumble again the rest of the season doesn't

1031
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: give me enough of the pitcher, Like does he run differently?

1032
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: You know, is he not as productive because he's being

1033
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: too cautious as he runs? You know, if he doesn't

1034
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: fumble any super productive, let's just say, let's just say

1035
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: he's really really good. I think there's a good chance

1036
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: that he's not going to be back next year. Even

1037
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: if that happens. Man, I think that we sort of

1038
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: talked about the guys that you circleed that weren't quite

1039
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,359
Speaker 1: ready financially, Duger Owenu Stevenson. Maybe it wasn't in your

1040
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: best interest to let them go now because it would

1041
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 1: have cost you more than it would have saved you,

1042
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 1: or whatever the case. Accurate, It's clear that Mike is

1043
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: looking to sort of turn the roster over and you know,

1044
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: surround himself with his guys quote unquote, not an uncommon

1045
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: thing for all coaches. Fred uh and Maddie Nosacks had

1046
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: a chance to talk to Bill Parcels over the weekend,

1047
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: and that was one of the things I think, Fred,

1048
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: you asked Parcels about you like you are guys. Parcels guys,

1049
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: and you know how the circle the waggon kind of guys.

1050
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: I think that's a common thing for a coach to

1051
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 1: want to be around guys that he's more comfortable with.

1052
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me even if he does sort of

1053
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: solve the fumbling problem and he has a really productive

1054
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: finish to the season, if they're looking to move on anyway.

1055
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Daniels in California.

1056
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: Heye, Daniel, there, you guys doing good.

1057
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 11: So my question is I'm sorry, like I agree with

1058
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 11: you guys when you guys talking a couple of minutes

1059
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 11: ago about the receiving like production in the offense. So

1060
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 11: my question is, like, looking around the league, which receiving

1061
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 11: like situation are you like kind of keeping an eye on.

1062
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 11: I think I know we're just still in a rebuilding stage,

1063
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:55,640
Speaker 11: but I think we should definitely try to be active

1064
00:48:55,960 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 11: in the trade deadline. You know, personally, I'm selfish, selfishy wanting.

1065
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:00,800
Speaker 1: Uh A J.

1066
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 11: Brown keep getting frustrated with the Eagles offense so we

1067
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 11: can make a call for him. But I know that's

1068
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 11: probably not realistic, But I just want to get your

1069
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 11: thoughts on like maybe other situations you're looking at, and

1070
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 11: I can stick it off there.

1071
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: Okay, thanks Daniel, I mean A J. Brown's awesome. I

1072
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: would definitely, I mean I want AJ Brown. I just

1073
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 1: wanted someone to explain to me why Philadelphia is trading

1074
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: him to anybody, forget you, anybody. I just don't see it.

1075
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: But I absolutely would agree with Daniel. I think that's

1076
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: the kind of move if you think that there's some

1077
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: frustration with AJ Brown in Philadelphia, be proactive. Yeah, you

1078
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 1: know what's you know, I hear Aj is not happy.

1079
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: You know, Rabel knows him as a has a relationship

1080
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: with him. You know what, you know, what do you guys? Look?

1081
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: You know what I get that you don't want to

1082
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: trade them? You know Howie, I get it. You know

1083
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: what would it take?

1084
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 6: But hypothetically, But going back to what Evan said, I

1085
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 6: think that's be proactive. You know, I haven't always been

1086
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 6: on board with those moves, but now I feel like

1087
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 6: you're getting to a point where if there was an elite,

1088
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 6: a wide receiver who wants out those kind of trades

1089
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 6: that happen all the time, that I'd be, I think.

1090
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: Very interested, and I wouldn't want to overextend he's in

1091
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: the age that I would do it. Yeah, he's an

1092
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: established star who's thirty, has plenty left. You know, I

1093
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: would have been interested in McLaurin, even though he's a

1094
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: little old. Now, this is what happens when these guys,

1095
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: by the way, take the whole summer off. I don't

1096
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: know what he's dealing with exactly. I guess there's some

1097
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: questions with McLaurin, and whether it's a quad or something else.

1098
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: It looks like he's not going to practice today. That's

1099
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: what happens when you don't do anything all summer. Yeah.

1100
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 6: I mean you've probably got a draft pick, hopefully that

1101
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 6: isn't too high in the first round, but that still

1102
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 6: has enough value that you know, I put it on

1103
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 6: the table for a legit guy, especially with Drake for

1104
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 6: these final couple of years of his rookie deal.

1105
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: Like you feel like the offensive line might be in shape.

1106
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 6: I mean, again, we're speculating because I don't take going

1107
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 6: to the callers that like, you can't count on anything.

1108
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,799
Speaker 6: Like I like what I've seen in this team. There

1109
00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 6: are positive elements, but I need them to go out

1110
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 6: like this weekend and be like, wow, no penalties, no turnovers.

1111
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: Bound offense, hit some plays downfield.

1112
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 6: Defense looked like they did in the middle of the

1113
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 6: last week's game for the entirety, you know, and then

1114
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 6: you can really start to have even more evidence to

1115
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 6: get on board with it. But I have seen elements

1116
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,360
Speaker 6: of it, but week three.

1117
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: We need more. And whether whether that happens or not,

1118
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: I think AJ Brown is the kind of player at

1119
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: the age where he could be part of your future.

1120
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: So whether you're doing it for this year or the

1121
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: long term is fine with me, because I think you

1122
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,400
Speaker 1: can absolutely make an argument that no, no, no, he's a

1123
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: long term solution, you know, like Harold Landry has been

1124
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 1: terrific and I think he's really helped the front seven.

1125
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: By the time you're a Super Bowl contender, he's probably

1126
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: not going to be part of the equation. And that's okay.

1127
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 1: You need some guys like that too that allow you

1128
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: to make that ascension from four wins to where you

1129
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: want to be. Yeah, I was thinking about that same things.

1130
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 6: He's been great, you know, but I think the exact

1131
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 6: same thing of like, he's been great, how long is

1132
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 6: he going to have Can we get a guy behind

1133
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 6: him to kind of mold behind him? But I just

1134
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 6: connected to Drake and say, Drake's on a rookie deal

1135
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 6: for the next couple of years.

1136
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 1: It's okay to be aggressive.

1137
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 6: It's okay to maybe burn a high round draft pick

1138
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 6: to really try to give him that guy.

1139
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: Give him the guy, all.

1140
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: Right, Boston Cream's on the line. What's up, Boston Cream?

1141
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 2: Dude?

1142
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 12: Hey, hey, uh, what do you guys think about Bill

1143
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 12: Belichick's girlfriend being on the sideline?

1144
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 9: And then I have another question.

1145
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 3: I think it's ridiculous.

1146
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 13: Yeah, can you imagine if that happened in New England?

1147
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 6: I would love to hear what the conversation was, but no,

1148
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,719
Speaker 6: Bill's trying to get ready for the game. I'm not

1149
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,760
Speaker 6: sure I think she should know this by now.

1150
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 13: And then my second question is, now that Julian Edelman

1151
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 13: is in the Patriots Hall of Fame, can we get

1152
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 13: in the true MVP of Super Bowl three?

1153
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 8: James Devlin? Is that possible?

1154
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: Well?

1155
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 3: I know Andy Hart's writing letters as we speak. But yeah, okay, yeah, okay,

1156
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,760
Speaker 3: all right, bye, okay, bye bye.

1157
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: Expecting more from him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is a standard.

1158
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: Was didn't meet the standard at the comedic chops where

1159
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: you didn't meet the standard? All right, you know, not

1160
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: all hits.

1161
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 3: Just remember we're gonna be going a Vrabel when he

1162
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 3: goes live in a minute or so. But Chris with

1163
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 3: a T I A N right sin, he says, call

1164
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,360
Speaker 3: Kevin Falk he had issues fumbling early in his career,

1165
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: but clean them up quite nicely. Although it's not exactly

1166
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 3: early in Madre's career. I don't recall fuck fumbling much

1167
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 3: during his tenure, more so during the Carrol era than

1168
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 3: the Belichick era, for sure. Yeah he did, remember he

1169
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,479
Speaker 3: was wearing those pads with the dots for the Belichick era.

1170
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, he only played one year for Carol. Yeah, no,

1171
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: he did. Yeah, but he cleaned it up. He did

1172
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 1: clean it up. But I think his touch is also

1173
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: like to it's not really the same because there's a

1174
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: third down back. But he absolutely cleaned it up. He

1175
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 1: didn't fumble as much, I want to say, like like

1176
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 1: oh three oh four or he had some fumbles that

1177
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: were big and then he kind of cleaned it up.

1178
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: Three and ninety nine. Uh yeah, six in two thousand. Yeah,

1179
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: that's that's Belichick. That's his first year. Yeah. Two in

1180
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: two thousand and one. One in two thousand and two,

1181
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: he had a huge one in pittsgroll three in O

1182
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: four he had a huge one in that Thanksgiving a

1183
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: Halloween game in Pittsburgh on the screen. Oh yeah, there

1184
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: it is. Okay, Eldrid, you're laughing at me. You are No, No,

1185
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: I deserve that.

1186
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Eldred.

1187
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: All right, Hey, hey.

1188
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 14: Y'all doing that?

1189
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 1: All right?

1190
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 14: Looking, I'm not wearing the Carolina Panthers jersey this week?

1191
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 3: Got that?

1192
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 14: So you tell the Bulls to come out and play?

1193
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 1: No, I get that one, Eldrid. This is so you know,

1194
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 1: you remember during the summer, you know, or even probably

1195
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: earlier than the summer. You know, back in the off season,

1196
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: like the Mindless, if you could guarantee one game, uh

1197
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: do you remember that, like for the Patriots would win.

1198
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: This was the game I picked home against Carolina. If

1199
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Speaker 1: I had any game that I had, but the most

1200
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: confidence in it was between this one and at New Orleans.

1201
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: And because this one's at home, I took this one.

1202
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 1: So I agree with you, Eldred. I don't want to

1203
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,479
Speaker 1: see where in any of those Carolina jerseys down there

1204
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: me either. I don't want to know.

1205
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 14: The defensive is kind of tough and evid he met

1206
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 14: like like I said, it came advertised, you might not

1207
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 14: have that furnace speed, BEI got the NFL speed. Once

1208
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 14: he get opened, he's gone.

1209
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:38,439
Speaker 1: If you can catch you savaging over fifteen yards of touch.

1210
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 1: So he is, yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying.

1211
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 14: So he's damn good, damn good.

1212
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:45,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's played well.

1213
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 14: One guy who.

1214
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 10: One guy wish we were trading for.

1215
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 14: I'm gonna keep holling, well, you get mad. Ad Mitchell

1216
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 14: hits the little set too because he's not getting enough

1217
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 14: playing time. But he do produce once he gets out there.

1218
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 14: That's how it talk to you later.

1219
00:55:59,239 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean those are the kinds of guys

1220
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: that I think more realistic, you know, guys that are

1221
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: fourth and fifth options for their teams. Let's go to

1222
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 1: Mike Rabel stylish.

1223
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 4: Do you anticipate being able to ramp up Christian Gonzalez

1224
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 4: this week in hopes of possibly playing Saturn?

1225
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think that that's the that's the plan, you know,

1226
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:32,040
Speaker 15: excited about his efforts and willingness to get back and

1227
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 15: work hard and practice last week and then again.

1228
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 16: Made a decision.

1229
00:56:38,200 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 15: I made a decision at the end of the week

1230
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 15: that just I think we needed a little bit more time.

1231
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 15: And that's what happens when you start this return to

1232
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 15: play and you practice and you work hard, and then

1233
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 15: you see how you respond, and then to make a

1234
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,520
Speaker 15: decision if you're you know, if that players, you know,

1235
00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 15: ready ready for a football game, and we felt like

1236
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 15: that he probably needed a little bit more time and uh,

1237
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 15: hopefully he'll be ready to go. Excited to see him

1238
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 15: and everybody else practice today.

1239
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: Wait, hopeated impact Christian. You've only seen him one film?

1240
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 16: Really, stuff like hopevated impact and you.

1241
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 15: Have for your guy, Well, I mean I think any

1242
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 15: of you. We need all our all our best players.

1243
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 15: You know, you've said this numerous times here. You're your

1244
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,760
Speaker 15: best players have to play good in order for you

1245
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 15: to have a chance to win. And so Christian would

1246
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,160
Speaker 15: be one of those players. And we just need to

1247
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 15: try to get everybody out there that we can get

1248
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 15: out there, and uh, hopefully he progresses well throughout the

1249
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 15: week and he can help us.

1250
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 17: Like what you see is the mood of the team

1251
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 17: today as you guys came back and got ready.

1252
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 16: To work after a while, I think it's it's it's

1253
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 16: where it has to be.

1254
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:51,800
Speaker 15: You know, whether you win or lose, you have to

1255
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 15: you know, remain consistent and get back to work and

1256
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 15: prepare for a new opponent. You put a lot into

1257
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 15: it every week, disappointed that you lose, but that's in

1258
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 15: the rear view mirror, and we have to be able

1259
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 15: to attack each and every week. And then you know,

1260
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 15: once you make the corrections and once you point out

1261
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 15: the things that we have to do better in order

1262
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 15: to win, and then then it's onto the preparation and

1263
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 15: the new challenge ahead.

1264
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: Mike tis a saying that you can't win unless and

1265
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 3: learn how not to lose. In terms of that in

1266
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 3: terms of learning how.

1267
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 16: Not to lose.

1268
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: Can that be taught or is that on the players?

1269
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 17: Well?

1270
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:33,480
Speaker 16: I think it.

1271
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 15: I think by building and doing things the right way

1272
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 15: and and believe in in what it is that we

1273
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 15: feel like as in an identity, that that hopefully that

1274
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 15: will take care of it. I mean, I think the

1275
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 15: more that you put yourself in close games and the

1276
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 15: more that you put yourselves in those situations that you

1277
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 15: have to you know, be able to have some favorable outcomes.

1278
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 15: You know, you have to be able to respond and

1279
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 15: you have to be able to get stops in the

1280
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,360
Speaker 15: red zone where you have to be able to take

1281
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 15: care of football or you know, you have to be

1282
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 15: able to produce some some explosive gains in the in

1283
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 15: the return phase and all those things that are that

1284
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 15: are critical.

1285
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 17: You know, I don't know.

1286
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 15: I think it kind of just comes hand in hand

1287
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 15: with it and we try to point them out as

1288
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 15: often as we possibly can.

1289
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 3: Like you mentioned, you made a decision last week that

1290
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 3: did more time with Christian.

1291
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 9: What information do you use to to make the decisions

1292
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 9: like that?

1293
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 15: Just revisiting this from previous conversations, was that a wink

1294
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 15: fill or were you just squinting good.

1295
00:59:48,680 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 3: You know.

1296
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,200
Speaker 16: One, can they player protect themselves?

1297
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 17: Right?

1298
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 15: Can they go out there in this game and.

1299
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 16: And protect themselves.

1300
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 15: I guess it's a violent game, right, Can they pret

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 15: detect themselves? Can they do their job to the standard

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01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 15: that we you know, have set for them and they've

1303
01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 15: set for themselves. And can they make it worse? So

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01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:13,080
Speaker 15: those are the three things that I would probably use.

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01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 15: I think, you know, a lot goes into being able

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01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 15: to protect yourself. The conditioning of the person, right, A

1307
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,440
Speaker 15: player that would maybe get tired or wouldn't be in

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01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 15: a proper condition to play in an NFL game could

1309
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:29,640
Speaker 15: then lead to another injury or you know, not being

1310
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 15: able to protect themselves. So, but those are the three

1311
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 15: things that I try to use in making those decisions. A.

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Speaker 1: There's defense.

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01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 6: What are they doing from a movement perspective that will

1314
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 6: challenge you gains?

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01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 15: Well, they're just they're very sound, you know, and they've

1316
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 15: done a lot. They have a lot in the playbook,

1317
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 15: they have a lot in their history. But they're playing

1318
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 15: their best defense when when they're just sound, when they

1319
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 15: line up very good interior. I think the secondary is

1320
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 15: very good. I think that obviously Horn and Jackson and

1321
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 15: Mooring has been a.

1322
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 16: Very good player.

1323
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 15: Linebackers are good tacklers, and Brown is one of the

1324
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:14,080
Speaker 15: best interior defensive linemen. But they they play sound, they

1325
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 15: play with their hands, they tackle well, and so they

1326
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:21,400
Speaker 15: really haven't been, you know, beating themselves too much.

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01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 1: Red tech n Millan on the other side.

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Speaker 15: I mean, all the same things that you know you

1329
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,800
Speaker 15: look at and saw when you were seeing them come

1330
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Speaker 15: out as big athlete, smooth, fluid mover, good at the

1331
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 15: catch point. You know, body control for for such a

1332
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 15: long player, very I guess, agile, loose, you know, can

1333
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 15: upper body flexibility, can can turn locate the football, so,

1334
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 15: you know, but good catch radius. It seems like Bryce

1335
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 15: certainly trusts him already to be where he's supposed to be.

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Speaker 16: So that'll be a huge.

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01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: Challenge your experience. You know, how deep into a season

1338
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: do you typically find out who your team is from

1339
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 1: us strength to weaknesses?

1340
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 16: I don't know, you know.

1341
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 15: I mean I think when it's there, you kind of

1342
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 15: know it. And so we're you know, we've got a

1343
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 15: bunch of different things that we've done well and not

1344
01:02:18,320 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 15: so well, and then you know, things that gotten us beat, right,

1345
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 15: So I don't want us to to forget about all

1346
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 15: the positives and the good things that have happened, and

1347
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 15: the very good winning snaps that we've played. And then

1348
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 15: obviously just you have to eliminate the things that get

1349
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 15: us beat the turnovers, the you know, the returns, the

1350
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 15: x plays on defense, those types of things.

1351
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 18: They're putting a.

1352
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 16: Really phenomenal kick cover. That's impressive. Looked at it for

1353
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 16: two hours last night. I impressive.

1354
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 15: They got good players, they got great speed, They change

1355
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 15: the scheme up on you and so you know that'll

1356
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 15: be critical that we're able to, you know, protect the

1357
01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 15: guy with the ball.

1358
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 16: They're they're flying, and you know.

1359
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 15: It starts with the kicker kicks a good kick, dirty kick,

1360
01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 15: so he's had the returners sometimes confused he's kicking him.

1361
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 15: When he kicks them deep, they're right at the goal

1362
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 15: line forcing it to return them or you know, last

1363
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 15: week a couple of times they touched it and took

1364
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 15: a step back and then you know, had it on

1365
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,439
Speaker 15: the twenty yard line. So they've done a fantastic job.

1366
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 15: Credit to their staff and uh and to the players.

1367
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 15: You know, Paul, just tough to have one that's on

1368
01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 15: the ground in between the twenty and the goal line.

1369
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 15: Sometimes one hops and they can return it. Sometimes it

1370
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 15: you know, kicks and goes sideways, and you know we'll

1371
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 15: have to be prepared for that wherever they kick it.

1372
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: Ass trills We've seen various off season in the game,

1373
01:03:57,400 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: like on Sunday, do you try something new when it

1374
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 1: comes to that.

1375
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 15: Well, I would just put some more time into it,

1376
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 15: you know, put some more time into it. And then again,

1377
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,360
Speaker 15: I'm gonna remind you that that everybody else's job is

1378
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,360
Speaker 15: to protect the guy with the ball, and so we'll

1379
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 15: have to practice that too.

1380
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 16: Because that wasn't good enough.

1381
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 15: And the easy thing to say is that, you know,

1382
01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:21,640
Speaker 15: we had three players fumbled the football, which is obvious.

1383
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 16: You know, we have to use great.

1384
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 15: Technique and then everyone else needs to strain to protect

1385
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 15: the player with the ball. And that's what we're going

1386
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 15: to get accomplished.

1387
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 17: And Chisel has he been inactive because his injury is

1388
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 17: lingering or is it something else?

1389
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 15: Just my decision each and every week try to get

1390
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 15: you know, we can only get five right now, we've

1391
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 15: only been taking five, so that that can change each week.

1392
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 16: And he's he's.

1393
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,320
Speaker 15: Working hard and working in practice and you know, we'll

1394
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 15: evaluate that each week as to what his role would

1395
01:04:56,040 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 15: be and how he can help us. But you know

1396
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 15: that's kind of where that is.

1397
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 16: You see Kyle Williams opportunities increase hopefully.

1398
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 15: I mean again, he's the ones we've thrown to him,

1399
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 15: he's caught, and you know, just keep building a role

1400
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 15: for him and you know, get everybody some opportunities and

1401
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:18,240
Speaker 15: let the quarterback throw to the guy that's open.

1402
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:20,920
Speaker 6: The factors that go into batted balls, and how do

1403
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 6: you go about preventing.

1404
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 15: Consistently, Uh, I think arm angle, staring, staring the throw down.

1405
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 15: I think in tight windows down in the red zone,

1406
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 15: if you stare it down, you'll probably get some passes

1407
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,680
Speaker 15: batted against good teams that don't run past the quarterback.

1408
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 15: You know, think timing, you know, defensively timing being able

1409
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,400
Speaker 15: to to not stand at the line but be able

1410
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 15: to rush and then you know.

1411
01:05:50,360 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 16: Get the correct hand up, you know.

1412
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,439
Speaker 15: And then quarterbacks that you know have a tendency to again,

1413
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 15: like I said, get low with their release or some

1414
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 15: times it's the route has an effect on it as well,

1415
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 15: if it's over the middle and short.

1416
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 17: Like every week in the game notes lists all the

1417
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 17: common kind of connections between the Patriots and their opponents, and.

1418
01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 8: This week it's very thin.

1419
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 17: There's almost no crossover between the Patriots and the Panthers,

1420
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 17: between coaches and players. What's that like to game plan

1421
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 17: for a team where you guys have almost no kind

1422
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,520
Speaker 17: of personal experience with guys on the other side.

1423
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 16: Just watch the tape, you know what I mean?

1424
01:06:29,360 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 15: Just try to focus in on the tape, and I

1425
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 15: have an idea of how to prepare the players that

1426
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 15: way and focus on those things.

1427
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 16: Focus on the things that.

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01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 15: You see, maybe things that they've done in the past,

1429
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 15: or how what they may do to us situationally.

1430
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 3: In his playing time.

1431
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,320
Speaker 6: How much of that number where we're at right now

1432
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 6: through three games is tight to just what he was

1433
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 6: coming back from injury wise.

1434
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 15: I mean, I think it's all gonna change. I think

1435
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:00,920
Speaker 15: the through three games and where it's at, and the

1436
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 15: packages that we've used, and you know, the stuff that

1437
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 15: we've asked some of these guys to do is just

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01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 15: trying to find a role for each every one of them.

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Speaker 15: And I don't think any of them are gonna play

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Speaker 15: ninety percent of the snaps.

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Speaker 1: saying that Cole Strange can't play. No, but they say

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Speaker 1: he struggled as a rookie and he was overdrafted Paul,

1485
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: and that's a bad pick.

1486
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 3: Some people say it's a bust, Yes, it's not a bus.

1487
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:34,200
Speaker 1: Year one was a bust.

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Speaker 3: That's not what I just said, and you know it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, what do you think is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna end up being like a

1491
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Speaker 1: first round.

1492
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 3: But I think I think it's just as stupid to

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Speaker 3: say I know he's going to be a pro bowler

1494
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 3: as I know he's going to be a bus. Same

1495
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:47,599
Speaker 3: way with Marcus Joes.

1496
01:09:47,640 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 1: It's not just as stupid to say the second part,

1497
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: because he was a bust in year one. He wasn't

1498
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:52,439
Speaker 1: anywhere near a port.

1499
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Speaker 3: Well, he wasn't a bus.

1500
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:56,559
Speaker 1: He was fred. Oh, come on, for one year. I'm

1501
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: not saying that ends his story as a player.

1502
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 3: I didn't say you said, but in year.

1503
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: One he was in and out of the lineup due

1504
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 1: to performance.

1505
01:10:03,320 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 3: And like the emailer said, we knew he was going

1506
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 3: to struggle.

1507
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 1: No I didn't. I don't pick first round picks as

1508
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: plug and play guys that I know are going to struggle. Listen, listen,

1509
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: then it's a bad pick.

1510
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 3: It's not one of.

1511
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: The two has to be true.

1512
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 3: Well, we'll know it's a bad pick in a few years,

1513
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 3: but right now, you can't say.

1514
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 1: This is my whole thing about offensive lineman It's not

1515
01:10:22,360 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 1: why you can get away with taking offensive lineman because

1516
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: no one will ever call him a bust.

1517
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:27,080
Speaker 3: You just did.

1518
01:10:27,439 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: I will, but no one.

1519
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 3: No, Paul is the only one.

1520
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: See now, now he's going to completely change the narrative

1521
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 1: of this argument. Be snarky, make fun of me. Everybody

1522
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: laughs at him. No, and then we'll just people, do

1523
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 1: not declare offensive lineman as readily bust you as Nikhil Harry.

1524
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:46,320
Speaker 3: You are not on him.

1525
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: Was Nikhil Harry a bust?

1526
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 12: You?

1527
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: Was Nikhil Harry a bust? Okay? Was it okay to

1528
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: call him the bust after one year? No? Okay, it

1529
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:55,400
Speaker 1: was not consistent.

1530
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:58,200
Speaker 3: It's not okay.

1531
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:01,560
Speaker 1: What do you think he's going to cold cold?

1532
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be a fine NFL player, Okay,

1533
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:05,080
Speaker 3: I don't.

1534
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:07,679
Speaker 1: Okay, that's another great moment.

1535
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 3: All right, back here on Patriot's Unfiltered eight five five

1536
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 3: pasts five hundred is the hotline podcast at patriots dot com.

1537
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: Is the email address. Evans off to practice in the

1538
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,800
Speaker 3: locker room. Deuce just left for the locker room. He'll

1539
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,040
Speaker 3: be back to give us his locker room report as

1540
01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 3: soon as he's done with that. We just heard from

1541
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 3: Mike Rabel, and I guess the headline is, Yes, Gonzo's back,

1542
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,080
Speaker 3: He'll be practicing, and the plan is for him to play.

1543
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll we'll see what ends up happening

1544
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:48,880
Speaker 1: on Sunday. But yeah, I mean I fully expected him

1545
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: to be practicing after practicing all last week, but Mike

1546
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: certainly indicated that I would be surprised if he didn't

1547
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 1: play this week. Based on the way Mike sounded, yep.

1548
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: I don't want to say he guaranteed it or anything

1549
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 1: like that, but based on the way Mike spoke at

1550
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:05,240
Speaker 1: the beginning there.

1551
01:12:05,479 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 3: God only knows what happens in practice, but the plan,

1552
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 3: I think is the hope. The expectation is that he's

1553
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 3: going to be in the game by Sunday.

1554
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: So kind of some interesting stuff. I don't know if

1555
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: you caught this last night on one of my shows,

1556
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,839
Speaker 1: one of my former shows. They don't have me on anymore,

1557
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:28,160
Speaker 1: No NBC Sports Boston Early Edition, I believe with Trenny.

1558
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 1: Burt Breer was on, and he indicated that there was

1559
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 1: no setback with Gonzalez's hamstring, which I thought was no

1560
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 1: one has definitively reported that he had suffered a set back.

1561
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of us, myself included, sort

1562
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: of assumed that he must have based on the initial

1563
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 1: reports back in August that indicated they expected him to

1564
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 1: be ready for Week one.

1565
01:12:56,479 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I don't know if there was, Like, if

1566
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 3: there was no setback, then obviously they were surprised that

1567
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 3: it took that long.

1568
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1569
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 1: And the way that Bert and this is Burt's words,

1570
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:14,360
Speaker 1: not mine, Okay, the way that Breer explained it, and

1571
01:13:14,400 --> 01:13:17,000
Speaker 1: I kind of agree with him, but he said, it's

1572
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: almost worse if there were no setbacks, because then you

1573
01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: sort of think what you just said. Team probably felt

1574
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: the beginning of September that he'd have been back on

1575
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 1: the field before now. Yeah, well they probably would have

1576
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:39,120
Speaker 1: contemplated putting him on IR. So I think that he's

1577
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,920
Speaker 1: a good enough player that even if you knew he

1578
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: was going to miss three weeks and not the fourth,

1579
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,320
Speaker 1: that he's worth keeping on the roster because I think

1580
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: he's that valuable. Yeah, but they're just some different schools

1581
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 1: of thought there.

1582
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, but listen, happy that it looks like he's going

1583
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 3: to be back.

1584
01:13:57,160 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: We need him, We need him beyond that, not a

1585
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: whole lot plan not a whole lot from Vrabel, you know,

1586
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 1: talked a lot about asked a couple of questions about Carolina.

1587
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 1: It was, you know, he spoke the way we did

1588
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:11,720
Speaker 1: about their defense. He's impressed, I think with their physicality,

1589
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't you guys know, I always

1590
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 1: tell you to do special teams on your time, right,

1591
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:17,800
Speaker 1: But when he had that line about you know that,

1592
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: I think so. She asked him about the kick the

1593
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 1: kick coverage. Think he did their kick coverage. They're allowing

1594
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,600
Speaker 1: an average of sixteen yards per kickoff return. That's a

1595
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:33,679
Speaker 1: pretty good number. So I don't know what they're doing exactly,

1596
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: but they obviously have a good kickoff team, kickoff coverage team.

1597
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: You know, like the Patriots are averaging twenty six point

1598
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 1: nine yards per return, a number that's obviously inflated a

1599
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 1: little bit by Antonio Gibson's touchdown, and they're allowing twenty

1600
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:54,040
Speaker 1: five point one yards per return. Okay, that's like, that's

1601
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:56,439
Speaker 1: that's a big that's nine yards. That's a big difference

1602
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 1: sixteen yards to twenty five yards.

1603
01:14:58,240 --> 01:15:02,719
Speaker 3: So are the kicks going deeper shallow in the kicking zone?

1604
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know so In other words, if he's catch

1605
01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:07,400
Speaker 1: him around the eighteen. He doesn't have as much space

1606
01:15:07,439 --> 01:15:09,480
Speaker 1: to get. But whatever they're tackling.

1607
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:14,960
Speaker 3: The starting Yeah, I drive, Okay, all right, all right.

1608
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 3: Podcast at Patriots dot Com. Henry says today's birthday. It's

1609
01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:23,840
Speaker 3: his thirtieth birthday. Happy BIRTHDAY'VE been listening since I was fifteen,

1610
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 3: and thanks to Pu, I've gone from a boy.

1611
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 1: To a man. Missed crazy.

1612
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,439
Speaker 3: There have been many pearls of wisdom along the way.

1613
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 3: Fred reaching me the best way to dispose cardboard boxes,

1614
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 3: teaching me I think he means cardboard boxes, very middle age.

1615
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,479
Speaker 3: Eric teaching me how to pronounce certain words he missed.

1616
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,719
Speaker 3: He pronounces Edinburgh wrong. And perhaps best of all, Paul

1617
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 3: teaching me the best way to drink beer is to

1618
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,400
Speaker 3: drink twenty. I have a question that.

1619
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,960
Speaker 1: I've gone a lot of different ways. I'm glad I

1620
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: went that way. That was funny.

1621
01:15:55,439 --> 01:15:57,720
Speaker 3: I have a question that I hope stumps Paul and

1622
01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 3: wins me a T shirt. The day I was born

1623
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,280
Speaker 3: was a Sunday, Week four of the nineteen ninety five season.

1624
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 3: The Patriots were one and two coming off of twenty

1625
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 3: eight three Calm Down Mike lost to the Niners. My

1626
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 3: question is who did the Patriots play in week four?

1627
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,559
Speaker 3: Trick question? It was bye week?

1628
01:16:17,160 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: They went Oh I just answered it? Oh all right,

1629
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:24,120
Speaker 1: so can I Does he have anything else there? Okay?

1630
01:16:24,120 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 3: Who did they lose to?

1631
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: Then?

1632
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 3: In week five?

1633
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:29,280
Speaker 1: So I have two guesses in my head.

1634
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:32,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you would have been wrong.

1635
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, well, because I wouldn't have guessed

1636
01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: by me. Right, No, I'm going to say. I'm going

1637
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: to say Kansas City in week five ninety five? Wrong.

1638
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: I have another guest. So if that's wrong, just say

1639
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:53,080
Speaker 1: it's wrong. It's wrong. Did they play Kansas City Pittsburgh? Wrong? Okay?

1640
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 1: Those are the two that popped into my head.

1641
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 3: According to Henry, they went on to lose in week

1642
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 3: five to the Falcons thirty to seventeen.

1643
01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: Okay, it's slipping, Paul. You know why? I believe that's

1644
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,639
Speaker 1: a Zolac game, Oh Falcon?

1645
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 3: Oh you know what?

1646
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:11,840
Speaker 1: Okay?

1647
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 3: Ninety five was that the game in Atlanta.

1648
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,280
Speaker 1: Maurice Hurst picked six. They called it back for a

1649
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: garbage passing affairance?

1650
01:17:18,720 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 3: Oh right, right exactly?

1651
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: Are you serious?

1652
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,520
Speaker 3: I think so because he was fighting for the redemption

1653
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,799
Speaker 3: and that was the game where parcels scolded me because

1654
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:32,280
Speaker 3: in the postgame press conference Patriots had a chance.

1655
01:17:32,360 --> 01:17:33,759
Speaker 1: No, No, that can't be the game.

1656
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of a different game, because I was thinking

1657
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 3: of the game where they had a chance to win

1658
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 3: it at the end. That must have been ninety six.

1659
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 3: I thought it wasn't against Atlanta.

1660
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1661
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 3: Never mind, never mind. All right, Okay, who's this doesn't

1662
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 3: say good stuff? Though?

1663
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,479
Speaker 1: Stump me? Yeah? Does he get a shirt for that? Yeah?

1664
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,640
Speaker 3: I thought that was SUPs up? I thought that was

1665
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,640
Speaker 3: the Sean Jefferson game. What year was Sean.

1666
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: John Jefferson played a lot of games.

1667
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 3: No, but there was a game where he had a

1668
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 3: lot of fans in the stands and he got called

1669
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,599
Speaker 3: for an offensive. I don't know. I have to go

1670
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 3: back and look at my notes to look at the

1671
01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:24,480
Speaker 3: pfws from back then. Anyway, this email says, I dislike

1672
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 3: how impatient fans are. I'm seeing posts on social media

1673
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 3: and even some media people talking about trading Gonzales, cutting

1674
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 3: the kicker, benching, Pop, cutting Stevenson, moving Campbell to guard

1675
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 3: and Wilson to center. We've played three games. I get

1676
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 3: that when you have five turnovers, you have to look

1677
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 3: at it differently, because that's just terrible football. But I

1678
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,160
Speaker 3: also think a majority of our season, besides a few quarters,

1679
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 3: our offense has been middle of the road, if not

1680
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 3: pretty good. Our defense has really disappointed me so far.

1681
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 3: My question, if the offense decides to play well at

1682
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 3: the same time our defense shows up to play well

1683
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 3: in the Bills game, do you think it will be

1684
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 3: competitive or are we not there yet? Even if we

1685
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 3: have complimentary football.

1686
01:19:09,560 --> 01:19:11,760
Speaker 1: Competitive, Yeah, why can't they.

1687
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:13,480
Speaker 3: Get Miami was competitive?

1688
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course they can be competitive.

1689
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, Miami gave them a game. They were tied up

1690
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:20,040
Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter.

1691
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 1: I'll say this about that email. Normally, when emails start

1692
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 1: off with why is everybody doing this, it's really not.

1693
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: That's dead on. I've heard every one of those things

1694
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: that that guy just mentioned. I've heard, yeah, you know,

1695
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 1: Will Campbell, we had a caller yesterday Will Campbell and

1696
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 1: Jared Wilson sliding inside yep, to guard and center, respectively,

1697
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 1: cut the kicker, cut the running back. I've heard people

1698
01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: wonder about trading Gonzo. I've heard all of those things.

1699
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 3: I've heard them all. I've heard them yep.

1700
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily saying that any of those have been

1701
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:55,120
Speaker 1: treated with any.

1702
01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:57,040
Speaker 3: I don't think there's I don't think there's a ground

1703
01:19:57,080 --> 01:19:58,479
Speaker 3: swell for any one of them.

1704
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 1: Probably with the exception of the Steve thing. I think

1705
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: a lot of people think that you're sending a message,

1706
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 1: You're trying to establish a culture and sending a message

1707
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:10,600
Speaker 1: to the team. But yeah, I would agree with the

1708
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 1: emailer at three games is a little early for all that.

1709
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: But the offense, I would say has been uneven. There

1710
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: are times where the offenses looked really good. I'm a

1711
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,800
Speaker 1: little concerned about the second half of these games. They

1712
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: did absolutely nothing in the second half against the Raiders.

1713
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: They did little in the second half against Miami. This game,

1714
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:35,240
Speaker 1: they were better in the second half. The turnover, you know,

1715
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: the two turnovers, the Gibson one in the May one,

1716
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: the first turnover in the end zone. They had a

1717
01:20:42,720 --> 01:20:44,719
Speaker 1: spelling an interception that set them up on the eleven,

1718
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 1: and then they fumbled as they were going in. But

1719
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 1: they moved the ball better in the second half in

1720
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 1: this game than they did the first two. I'd like

1721
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: to see them put together two good halves of foot

1722
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,120
Speaker 1: would you say Defensive.

1723
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 3: The Miami game this year had the potential to be

1724
01:20:57,320 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 3: like the Jacksonville game last year.

1725
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,400
Speaker 1: But I got off to a great start. Yeah, it's

1726
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 1: a better team Patriot. Yeah, but Miami's better than Jacksonville

1727
01:21:06,720 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: was last year too. But yeah, I mean you can

1728
01:21:10,320 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: make an argument without that if they don't return the

1729
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: kick or if a chance stays in bounds, like, you

1730
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:19,280
Speaker 1: can make an argument that. Yeah, they had that great

1731
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 1: start and everything looked good and then the offense kind

1732
01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 1: of fizzled out. I mean, really the second half was

1733
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:28,000
Speaker 1: not looking good offensively, and then they made that one

1734
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,919
Speaker 1: play down the sideline to Stevenson which got them the touchdown,

1735
01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: and then that that was really it offensively because the

1736
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 1: other touchdown was a kick return, and then that last

1737
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:42,559
Speaker 1: field goal was a you know, yeah, yeah, pick a

1738
01:21:42,600 --> 01:21:45,560
Speaker 1: pick three they took over in field goal range.

1739
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 3: Jeff and Canada. If you're one of the fans who

1740
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 3: expected the Patriots to be contending for a wild card

1741
01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 3: this year, then this game is a must win. You

1742
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 3: can't start a season one and three and zero and

1743
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,960
Speaker 3: three at home against mediocre at best competition and say

1744
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,080
Speaker 3: you're a contender. If they lose this weekend, then we

1745
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 3: will have no choice to assume they will lose to

1746
01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:07,000
Speaker 3: the bills. Then you're one and four and people are

1747
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 3: calling the show to talk about New Year's draft.

1748
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not wrong. I think it as much as

1749
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 1: a game in September, it can be considered a must win.

1750
01:22:16,640 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: This is a must win, and that's whether you want

1751
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 1: to make the playoffs or not. Like you have to

1752
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 1: beat teams that are at your level or below. And

1753
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:27,200
Speaker 1: I would say in this case, they're below at home,

1754
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: but I think it's like three and sixteen or three

1755
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: and eighteen and they'll last whatever amount of you know,

1756
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:36,839
Speaker 1: twenty one is crazy home games like that needs to start. Yeah,

1757
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: they need to win this game.

1758
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:43,360
Speaker 3: On the subject of callers, one comment, one question, please,

1759
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 3: if you have one life story, two game comments and

1760
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 3: three questions, you need to start your own podcast.

1761
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,679
Speaker 1: That's fair enough. Yeah, Fred does let them ramble, doesn't he.

1762
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:54,280
Speaker 3: Well, listen, we have time.

1763
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 1: We do. You know, we love we love all our listeners.

1764
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 3: We're not taking breaks every ten minutes like you're shows.

1765
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: Right, It's true, you know.

1766
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 3: They don't like to hear that, but that's that's the

1767
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 3: sense that people get when they listen. Let's see BB

1768
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:14,280
Speaker 3: and NH curious to hear each of your different perspectives

1769
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:17,759
Speaker 3: and how much of a mental game football is versus physical.

1770
01:23:18,200 --> 01:23:21,040
Speaker 3: Do you think there's any merit comparing coaching matchups to

1771
01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 3: a chess game.

1772
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: I'm sure.

1773
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 3: While ball Knower's like Evan will say that strategy aspect

1774
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:28,160
Speaker 3: makes a sport as a whole more entertaining.

1775
01:23:27,680 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: To watch, I think there's a chess match. I think

1776
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 1: there's a.

1777
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 3: Chess match for the coaches and certainly for the quarterbacks

1778
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 3: to a degree. But I was told by the late

1779
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 3: great Will McDonough who told me that never ask a

1780
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:45,599
Speaker 3: football player about football because they don't know all.

1781
01:23:45,680 --> 01:23:46,519
Speaker 1: They know they're supposed to.

1782
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 3: They know what they're supposed to do, and that's about it.

1783
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the best players obviously know what everybody's.

1784
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,559
Speaker 3: Doing, right, like safeties, you know, like those guys.

1785
01:23:54,640 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I think, but there's a there's definitely

1786
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 1: a chess match that goes on with the coaches, and

1787
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 1: it's just like what you're what you're saying? What that

1788
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,920
Speaker 1: would sort of the definition of that would be you're

1789
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: making moves with not only wanting to do what whatever

1790
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 1: you're doing, but you're anticipating what the other coach is

1791
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:15,120
Speaker 1: going to do, and you're trying to make sure you

1792
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: put your team in the best possible position to take

1793
01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:20,000
Speaker 1: advantage of that. So there are chess moves that happen.

1794
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: I think back and forth from a coaching perspective, but

1795
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:28,440
Speaker 1: I would say that the game is more physical than mental. Now, quarterback,

1796
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 1: as you said, obviously the mental is huge. You can

1797
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:35,719
Speaker 1: make an argument the mental is more important than physical.

1798
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:40,080
Speaker 1: But you know a lot of players the mental can't

1799
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 1: be you know, absent, but like to be a good

1800
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 1: wide receiver, I don't care if you like. I don't

1801
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:49,960
Speaker 1: care if I know every route combination that there is.

1802
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,120
Speaker 1: I physically do not have the ability to be a

1803
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 1: wide receiver in the NFL. So you need But.

1804
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 3: When you have that plus the mark.

1805
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,680
Speaker 1: Which is what Belichick I always said, Mandy Moss.

1806
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,759
Speaker 3: Was like, yes, then you're at the next level.

1807
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: So I'm not saying you don't like. The mental side

1808
01:25:06,960 --> 01:25:10,320
Speaker 1: for the skill position players isn't important. It is, yeah,

1809
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:13,160
Speaker 1: but you need the physical because without the physical, I

1810
01:25:13,160 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 1: don't care how good your mental is. I've seen plenty

1811
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 1: of physical players succeed without being that strong mental.

1812
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,679
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you want to call instincts mental,

1813
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 3: but like there are those players and whether they're a

1814
01:25:24,680 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 3: running back or they have those great instincts. They you know,

1815
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 3: they just know when to cut, they know when to

1816
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 3: you know, call it a day. They just have great instincts,

1817
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 3: and that pretty good. That goes for all athletes. You know,

1818
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 3: some of the best players have the best instincts. It's

1819
01:25:40,479 --> 01:25:42,840
Speaker 3: just something about them. They just know what to do

1820
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,360
Speaker 3: in that split second. And so that's less of a

1821
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 3: chess game and it's more a mental instinctual type of

1822
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:57,000
Speaker 3: feeling for the game. Makes me excited. Ivan in California,

1823
01:25:57,080 --> 01:26:00,639
Speaker 3: what's up, Ivan? Ivan?

1824
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: Oh, you're a terrible Ivan.

1825
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 12: Ay do you hear me?

1826
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:07,960
Speaker 14: Now?

1827
01:26:09,720 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 12: Okay, my apologies. So I got a quick comment on

1828
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 12: Pop and then a question for you guys on Brable.

1829
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,000
Speaker 12: With Pop, I think it's a perfect example as to

1830
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 12: why the preseason means absolutely nothing because the guy was

1831
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 12: our number one target. He was doing great come season time,

1832
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:29,320
Speaker 12: all of a sudden, there's again, there's some of the

1833
01:26:29,320 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 12: same issues that were last year. Not the right place,

1834
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:34,759
Speaker 12: not the right whatever.

1835
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:36,639
Speaker 1: In the preseason games.

1836
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 12: No, like you know, through well through practice, everybody was saying, oh,

1837
01:26:42,160 --> 01:26:43,720
Speaker 12: you guys are reporting that Pop was.

1838
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:47,799
Speaker 1: Just in practice. Okay, I'm sorry, I misunderstood you. Okay, yeah, okay,

1839
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:48,520
Speaker 1: go ahead.

1840
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 12: Okay, And I might have said preseason to my apologies

1841
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,360
Speaker 12: for a mistake, but I mean like he was like

1842
01:26:52,640 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 12: the number one guy, right, and then to me, I'm

1843
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:59,040
Speaker 12: just sorry, but there's there's it's to me that you

1844
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 12: don't know fourth down where your marker is. I mean,

1845
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 12: I appreciate Drake trying to, you know, take on that responsibility,

1846
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,080
Speaker 12: but come on, man, like, yeah, I do not know that.

1847
01:27:09,439 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1848
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:11,720
Speaker 1: I would just say, like in practice, it's a little

1849
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 1: different because Diggs was not really doing a lot of

1850
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven stuff at the outset. Mac Collins did

1851
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:21,680
Speaker 1: none because he was on pup to open camp, so

1852
01:27:21,760 --> 01:27:24,639
Speaker 1: it was him and Booty, right. I mean, that's those

1853
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: are the guys that were out there catching all the

1854
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:31,599
Speaker 1: passes throughout the practices. Your comment about the fourth down play, obviously,

1855
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: we talked about that a lot yesterday. You have to

1856
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,559
Speaker 1: get the first down there, there's no And I agree

1857
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 1: with you on Drake made good leadership. I like to

1858
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: see that out of the quarterback taking responsibility for the play.

1859
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:47,680
Speaker 1: But you're right, Ivan, there's no reason whatsoever that the

1860
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas doesn't know that it's fourth and one and

1861
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:51,840
Speaker 1: I need to catch this ball and get up field

1862
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:56,360
Speaker 1: as quickly as I can. No excuse for that. But

1863
01:27:57,320 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: in terms of the practice and all that, it's not

1864
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: that it doesn't mean anything. It just needs a little

1865
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 1: more context. Like I said, the guys that have been

1866
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,800
Speaker 1: playing the majority of the snaps weren't really options in

1867
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: eleven on eleven work for a vast majority of those

1868
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:16,120
Speaker 1: training camp practices. Stefan Diggs was out there right away,

1869
01:28:16,120 --> 01:28:18,840
Speaker 1: but he wasn't getting that kind of a workload, whereas

1870
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:20,720
Speaker 1: the Mario Douglas was on the on the field for

1871
01:28:20,760 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 1: every snap. You remember when camp started, Yeah, Diggs was

1872
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: out there and he was catching passes and stuff, but

1873
01:28:26,439 --> 01:28:29,040
Speaker 1: not every play, right, And I think Rabel even said it,

1874
01:28:29,200 --> 01:28:30,679
Speaker 1: like we, you know, we don't want to have him

1875
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 1: taking part in every rap in this and that. And

1876
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:35,880
Speaker 1: Mac Collins missed, oh a good week and a half.

1877
01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:38,160
Speaker 3: So at the start of time, Baker was still with

1878
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 3: the team, but you know, he was doing some things,

1879
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,960
Speaker 3: and but Hya Williams had more of a role actually

1880
01:28:43,640 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 3: early yeah, right away, but yeah, let's go to Cameron

1881
01:28:49,240 --> 01:28:50,320
Speaker 3: in North Carolina.

1882
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:51,440
Speaker 1: Hey, Cameron.

1883
01:28:53,280 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 12: Guys, how good good.

1884
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 20: I just have two quick things for you. I'll start

1885
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:01,640
Speaker 20: with pop. I think a lot of things that you

1886
01:29:01,680 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 20: guys have been talking about them seems to be more

1887
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:08,160
Speaker 20: detail oriented. And I'm not saying this is the greatest

1888
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:13,320
Speaker 20: pay sorry passed by Drake May but the one passed

1889
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 20: to the right side where it ended up skipping on

1890
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 20: the ground and then being incomplete. Is that set up

1891
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,840
Speaker 20: for him to sit back and wait on the ball

1892
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 20: like that? Because one thing I didn't notice, instead of

1893
01:29:23,760 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 20: like coming towards meeting the ball, he actually drops stepped

1894
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 20: when it was on the way. And I'm not saying

1895
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 20: he still could have caught it, but just something I observed.

1896
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:35,040
Speaker 1: I think he was trying to reverse course and get

1897
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:38,720
Speaker 1: back to the ball, But I mean, you might be right,

1898
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,439
Speaker 1: maybe he wasn't where he was supposed to be. I

1899
01:29:40,439 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: think Evan sort of said, I wonder if he was

1900
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:45,240
Speaker 1: supposed to continue to drift. It looked to me like

1901
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 1: it was a little swing pass and he should have

1902
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: been on the move when he caught that. It was

1903
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: a bad throw, But yeah, I don't know that for sure.

1904
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:52,200
Speaker 3: He could have helped the quarterback. But I put that

1905
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:55,599
Speaker 3: one on Drake. I thought that he just kind of like, wow,

1906
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 3: he's wide oat, Like Drake has an issue when guys

1907
01:29:58,479 --> 01:29:59,040
Speaker 3: are wide oat.

1908
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: Oh it was was the usure. Yeah, he didn't get

1909
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: his feet set and he just threw the ball out

1910
01:30:04,240 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 1: without setting himself.

1911
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there was Drake.

1912
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:10,759
Speaker 20: To me, I was just wondering, like if that's something

1913
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:12,800
Speaker 20: that maybe Pop could have done his own.

1914
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, I mean there's obviously there's a chance

1915
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:18,400
Speaker 1: of that. I think Evan brought it up yesterday to

1916
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:23,400
Speaker 1: your point, Cameron, that he he maybe was moving away,

1917
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:26,800
Speaker 1: you know, close, he continued to float toward the sideline,

1918
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:29,320
Speaker 1: and maybe he shouldn't have. Maybe he should have stopped

1919
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: and gotten back to the ball again. I think if

1920
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:35,720
Speaker 1: it was any other receiver knowing, but there shouldn't be

1921
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:38,160
Speaker 1: that small a room for error that that should be

1922
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:40,280
Speaker 1: driven at his head, you know what I mean. Just

1923
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 1: it should be an easy little swing pass that you're

1924
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:45,680
Speaker 1: hitting the guy in stride because he's you should have

1925
01:30:45,720 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 1: been like sort of leading him upfield so he's catching

1926
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,120
Speaker 1: it on the front rise nobody out there.

1927
01:30:50,160 --> 01:30:52,360
Speaker 3: Some there is a time and place for a low pass,

1928
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 3: you know, in traffic or whatever.

1929
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:57,640
Speaker 1: But that wasn't it. Thanks Cameron, but he I mean,

1930
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 1: Cameron could be right. Maybe you know, Douglass wasn't where

1931
01:31:00,680 --> 01:31:03,080
Speaker 1: we were supposed to be, and that's why the past

1932
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:05,719
Speaker 1: was short. Could be I don't know. These are little

1933
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,920
Speaker 1: little details of the game that you just don't know

1934
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: for sure. And this is why I get frustrated with

1935
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:11,879
Speaker 1: the metrics.

1936
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:12,719
Speaker 3: The ball knowers.

1937
01:31:13,040 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 1: No, it's just the metrics sights like that just automatically

1938
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 1: assigned blamed like I've assigned blame for Drake may on

1939
01:31:20,160 --> 01:31:22,719
Speaker 1: that play. That doesn't make me right, right the coach

1940
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:26,080
Speaker 1: maybe he threw that exactly where he, like Douglas was

1941
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:26,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be.

1942
01:31:26,880 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, only the coaches know for sure. Francisco in North Carolina.

1943
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 3: What's up, Francisco?

1944
01:31:33,320 --> 01:31:33,720
Speaker 12: Thank God?

1945
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:35,200
Speaker 1: How you're doing good?

1946
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 7: I it's a little loud. I'm at work and I'm

1947
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,760
Speaker 7: outside driving his track and cutting grass. But just quick

1948
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 7: questions or quick a couple of questions. So with us

1949
01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:51,080
Speaker 7: trying to trade yesterday for that cornerback from the Titans,

1950
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 7: instead of doing that, why haven't we tried to talk

1951
01:31:54,640 --> 01:31:57,960
Speaker 7: to to Fon Gilmore or an Asante, Samuel Junior, somebody

1952
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,040
Speaker 7: who's a free agent. Bring them in. I mean, I

1953
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 7: like Sevon Gilmore, you know, because he's been here before,

1954
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 7: and I think they bring a lot of leadership to

1955
01:32:05,160 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 7: the locker room, be able to help everybody putting gonzo.

1956
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:12,799
Speaker 7: And the second one is what's more likely that Chisholm

1957
01:32:12,800 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 7: takes over for Pop or if it's such a big

1958
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:17,400
Speaker 7: deal of a chemistry with somebody going to try to

1959
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:20,360
Speaker 7: trade for somebody trait, it's already got chemistry with like

1960
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:24,400
Speaker 7: Josh Downs or Devon says Walker, I'll take dance rafair.

1961
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 1: Thanks guys, Okay, thanks, there's any chance of getting Josh Downs.

1962
01:32:27,760 --> 01:32:36,840
Speaker 1: The Colts right now are flying high. Can we like

1963
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:39,559
Speaker 1: sort of try to use the receivers that they have

1964
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:41,760
Speaker 1: a little bit like if you want to give me

1965
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 1: like a j Brown as we talked about earlier in

1966
01:32:43,960 --> 01:32:47,800
Speaker 1: the show, sign me up, Like that's a significant upgrade,

1967
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: whether you're not, you're changing out your fifth and sixth receivers,

1968
01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,080
Speaker 1: fine that you maybe you get a maybe you get

1969
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:58,679
Speaker 1: a spark from it. Okay, I think there's maybe more

1970
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:01,240
Speaker 1: that Digs can give to this. I think there's more

1971
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:04,280
Speaker 1: that we could possibly get from Kyle Williams as he

1972
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,360
Speaker 1: continues to get more and more acclimated as a pro.

1973
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:12,479
Speaker 1: I'd like to see Booty get more targets than he's gotten.

1974
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,240
Speaker 1: I think every time you know, Booty has been involved

1975
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:17,600
Speaker 1: so far this year, it's been a successful play for

1976
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: the Patriots. On Sunday, he had one big catch on

1977
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:23,160
Speaker 1: a third and long and drew a passing appearance down

1978
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:26,679
Speaker 1: the sideline. Yeah, and you know he was wide opening

1979
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:28,439
Speaker 1: the end zone for what should have been a touchdown,

1980
01:33:28,479 --> 01:33:33,120
Speaker 1: but Drake didn't get it to him. So until I

1981
01:33:33,160 --> 01:33:37,960
Speaker 1: see these guys like, I don't really know exactly what

1982
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: the answer is, but I mean, Josh, like, the Colts

1983
01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 1: right now are playing really well. Why would you want

1984
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,559
Speaker 1: to get rid of one of your receivers now?

1985
01:33:45,600 --> 01:33:47,960
Speaker 3: Was then other question about why don't they go out

1986
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:50,240
Speaker 3: and just, you know, instead of trying to trade for

1987
01:33:50,280 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 3: a lesser guy, why don't they just go after Gilmore.

1988
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:54,240
Speaker 1: I don't think Gilmore makes a lot of sense for

1989
01:33:54,280 --> 01:33:56,679
Speaker 1: them at his age. They're moving away from those kinds

1990
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,519
Speaker 1: of players. Santa Samuel I think is I think he's

1991
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 1: injured and he's not quite ready to play yet, but

1992
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if there's been an update on that.

1993
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:06,280
Speaker 1: I think that was what he indicated the song.

1994
01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:08,760
Speaker 3: I think if they were really close, like this is

1995
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 3: a team that really close to being like a you know,

1996
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 3: a serious contender in the playoffs, maybe you take a

1997
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 3: shot at Gilmour if that's something that you think can

1998
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,479
Speaker 3: get you over that defensive hump. But I guess, you know,

1999
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:25,720
Speaker 3: he's probably looking for a lot of money, and that's

2000
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,800
Speaker 3: the reason why he's still on the street.

2001
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,280
Speaker 1: Is because he's older.

2002
01:34:29,320 --> 01:34:31,160
Speaker 3: But he's probably also looking for a lot of money,

2003
01:34:31,200 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 3: and that combination are keeping teams from signing them. Like

2004
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 3: I haven't heard him saying I don't want to play anymore, so,

2005
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:42,719
Speaker 3: Robert writes in.

2006
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he had neck surgery that he's recovering from. Yeah,

2007
01:34:49,400 --> 01:34:52,840
Speaker 1: and I don't believe that he's been medically cleared. I'm

2008
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 1: not positive on that. That may have changed since the

2009
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:58,080
Speaker 1: start of like September, but I think that's why he

2010
01:34:58,200 --> 01:35:01,320
Speaker 1: was unsigned, Okay, because he's still young.

2011
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 3: Roberts says, aside from Phil shooting a shot on Vrabel

2012
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:08,880
Speaker 3: take away from that press conference, Gonzo's still not one

2013
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 3: hundred percent to go well.

2014
01:35:10,760 --> 01:35:12,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he indicated that he would be

2015
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:13,599
Speaker 1: going well.

2016
01:35:13,720 --> 01:35:16,080
Speaker 3: The hope is I mean, let's see him practice again,

2017
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:18,680
Speaker 3: he's probably going to be full speed this, you know,

2018
01:35:19,120 --> 01:35:23,639
Speaker 3: full participation instead of limited and we'll see. I don't

2019
01:35:23,680 --> 01:35:26,920
Speaker 3: think Rabel can commit, but I think the expectation and

2020
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,679
Speaker 3: the hope is that he plays this week.

2021
01:35:28,760 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with Freddy on that you have

2022
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:36,720
Speaker 1: to see how he gets through the week. Yeah, you're

2023
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,519
Speaker 1: right right, because I think one of the things that

2024
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:42,320
Speaker 1: Vrabel talked about was last week, you know, making sure

2025
01:35:42,360 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 1: that you put players in a position where they can

2026
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:46,920
Speaker 1: get out in the field and they have the ability

2027
01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:50,320
Speaker 1: to protect themselves. And he talked about from you know,

2028
01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:53,880
Speaker 1: a conditioning standpoint, if you're not quite I mean it's

2029
01:35:53,920 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 1: been over eight weeks. It was July twenty eighth that

2030
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 1: he got hurt. It was the first day they were

2031
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 1: in pads. That's why the date, that's a long time

2032
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 1: to go and you can't and he's dealing with a hamstring,

2033
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:11,320
Speaker 1: so you can't get your conditioning to the same level

2034
01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:14,080
Speaker 1: that it would be. You know, if you were dealing

2035
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,080
Speaker 1: with say a shoulder injury, you know, like he'd be

2036
01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:19,080
Speaker 1: able to run maybe a little bit more. So there's

2037
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 1: a lot of different factors at play.

2038
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:23,400
Speaker 3: Think about it. So when you get hurt that early

2039
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,840
Speaker 3: in camp. You don't even have the time to get

2040
01:36:26,880 --> 01:36:29,840
Speaker 3: into football shape that the other players did. You know,

2041
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,000
Speaker 3: it's not like he got hurt in August. A lot

2042
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,920
Speaker 3: of time late August. He hasn't been out there for

2043
01:36:34,960 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 3: a long time.

2044
01:36:36,120 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 1: I would look at the silver lining here. I know

2045
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:40,000
Speaker 1: that people are going to probably be surprised that I'm

2046
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 1: doing that. But if this injury happens, say September fifth,

2047
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:48,400
Speaker 1: you'd have lost them for eight games, eight or nine games. Yeah, yeah,

2048
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:50,760
Speaker 1: as opposed to when it happened. Maybe you're going to

2049
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:52,120
Speaker 1: get by and only lose them for three.

2050
01:36:52,280 --> 01:36:55,080
Speaker 3: Right, Mark and Cheddar, why are you both doing a

2051
01:36:55,160 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 3: Robert and Jonathan Craft impression? Paul Seed is so high

2052
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:58,959
Speaker 3: it looks comical.

2053
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:05,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are pretty up there, Paul that much taller

2054
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: than Fred FYI.

2055
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:10,000
Speaker 3: The Blitz talk yesterday was PFWPU at its finest.

2056
01:37:10,280 --> 01:37:11,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was good stuff.

2057
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 3: I had fun.

2058
01:37:13,000 --> 01:37:15,360
Speaker 1: Not gonna lie. I'm gonna let everybody know I was

2059
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:17,439
Speaker 1: a little jealous. I had fun. I was a little

2060
01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:23,080
Speaker 1: jealous not to be involved in that nonsensical PU debate.

2061
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,160
Speaker 3: Mike Wright's saying, I'm looking forward to this weekend. My

2062
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 3: eight year old son told me Dad, for my tenth birthday,

2063
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 3: I'd like to go to a Patriots game. He doesn't

2064
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 3: know this. Well, you're writing, so I'm right, I'm going

2065
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,120
Speaker 3: to read it. He doesn't know this, but we are

2066
01:37:36,120 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 3: making the six hour drive up to Jillette this weekend.

2067
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:40,320
Speaker 3: We live in Pennsylvania.

2068
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 1: Oh cool. I got some more numbers for you, Freddie,

2069
01:37:44,280 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 1: as we're just looking at this, like this page of

2070
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:52,639
Speaker 1: like the Panthers' stats. So in the second quarter so

2071
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 1: far this year, they've been outscored twenty seven to three.

2072
01:37:56,479 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 1: That's a quarter of the Patriots going to look to win, Okay,

2073
01:38:01,400 --> 01:38:05,360
Speaker 1: as they say in Boston. However, in the fourth quarter,

2074
01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 1: the Panthers outscore their opponents thirty to six, So Patriots

2075
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:15,639
Speaker 1: better have a lead getting down the stretch. All right,

2076
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:19,719
Speaker 1: all right, I just got a reply to this, Okay,

2077
01:38:20,000 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: Freddie just replying as he leaves me with no emails

2078
01:38:23,320 --> 01:38:24,760
Speaker 1: to read and no calling to take.

2079
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:26,960
Speaker 3: No, that's okay, that's okay. I'll get right back on

2080
01:38:27,000 --> 01:38:31,800
Speaker 3: the horse here. Gavin says, do you have any predictions

2081
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 3: in what the team will do with the open roster spot.

2082
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: I have had an open roster spot for a little

2083
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 1: while now I don't. I don't have any predictions for that.

2084
01:38:43,800 --> 01:38:45,839
Speaker 1: You know, maybe they wait another week, they just elevate

2085
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: someone from the practice squad, and then Juli Tavai gets

2086
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 1: that next week's assuming he's ready to come off of

2087
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: IR No. No, I don't have a good answer for

2088
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:54,679
Speaker 1: you on that one.

2089
01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 3: Sorry, lots of emails coming in. Robert says on Henderson

2090
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,640
Speaker 3: when the Patriots drafted him in the second round, I

2091
01:39:00,680 --> 01:39:04,559
Speaker 3: initially would have had Scataboo as our running back early

2092
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,719
Speaker 3: in the season. I thought I was wrong, But three

2093
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 3: weeks in I wonder if I was from Scatter who's

2094
01:39:09,360 --> 01:39:11,759
Speaker 3: been playing well for the Terrible Giants and is currently

2095
01:39:11,800 --> 01:39:15,519
Speaker 3: the top rank running back according to PFF. I thought

2096
01:39:15,560 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 3: he went ridiculously late in the draft. What do you

2097
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:18,639
Speaker 3: guys think?

2098
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I like Skataboo a lot. I do.

2099
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:24,519
Speaker 1: I would just say, and I watched some of this

2100
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,200
Speaker 1: game the other night against Kansas City. I do not

2101
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 1: see that guy having a long career. I think he

2102
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 1: went in the draft where I would have taken him

2103
01:39:33,320 --> 01:39:36,040
Speaker 1: because that's the only style he knows how to play.

2104
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 1: He's a train wreck on every single carry. It's a

2105
01:39:39,760 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 1: three three car pile up. He does not avoid contact.

2106
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: He's good player. He's a good football player. I like

2107
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 1: watching him play. I was really I became sort of

2108
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:54,720
Speaker 1: a quasi Arizona State fan last year largely because of him,

2109
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: and I really like watching him play. But I just

2110
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: don't see him. Would you be surprised, Freddy, if you

2111
01:40:02,439 --> 01:40:05,799
Speaker 1: know his career lasted less than say, four years.

2112
01:40:07,720 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 3: Yes, I think he's a gamer.

2113
01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's gonna get injured.

2114
01:40:11,240 --> 01:40:13,000
Speaker 3: Okay, well make get in, but I don't think it's

2115
01:40:13,000 --> 01:40:15,280
Speaker 3: going to end his career. Yeah, but I don't have injuries.

2116
01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:18,080
Speaker 1: But he's just gonna be constantly hurt. That's what I think. Okay,

2117
01:40:19,479 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 1: but yeah, I use a good player. I like him.

2118
01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm not ready to give up on Henderson yet either.

2119
01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:29,800
Speaker 1: I think Henderson no, no, Henderson's I think they have

2120
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,559
Speaker 1: to do maybe some stuff to get him in. I

2121
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: don't like the idea of him being, you know, the

2122
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:40,320
Speaker 1: lead back. I don't like him going between the tackles

2123
01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: every carry. But you get him on some toss sweeps,

2124
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:48,439
Speaker 1: some crack toss, some screens, some wheel routes. I think

2125
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:50,200
Speaker 1: you have a chance to make some big plays with him.

2126
01:40:50,479 --> 01:40:54,200
Speaker 3: Listen, I like Skataboo, but it's kind of more in

2127
01:40:54,240 --> 01:40:56,719
Speaker 3: a fun way I would. If I had to choose

2128
01:40:56,760 --> 01:40:58,839
Speaker 3: between him and Henderson, I'm taking Henderson.

2129
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,400
Speaker 1: Oh really, I like himill really well. They're totally different

2130
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:08,280
Speaker 1: kinds of price they are, But I just don't think

2131
01:41:08,360 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 1: Scataboo's gonna hold up. But if you're right, and he's

2132
01:41:11,520 --> 01:41:13,519
Speaker 1: just a gamer and he doesn't get hurt and he

2133
01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 1: just like plays through it and stuff, I don't know.

2134
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:18,720
Speaker 1: I think he's a good pass catcher too. Yeah, he

2135
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 1: was at Arizona State anyway.

2136
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:23,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I'd love to have him on my team,

2137
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:25,640
Speaker 3: both him and Henderson.

2138
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 1: But I like Henderson. I'll take Henderson and that one.

2139
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:31,000
Speaker 1: That's why I think he got drafted two rounds earlier,

2140
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: because I think the league agreed Henderson's the more skilled, sure,

2141
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, more talented player.

2142
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:41,600
Speaker 3: Over under game from Kyle and Pembroke. I guess this

2143
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:44,880
Speaker 3: is for the upcoming game. Drake May passing yards to

2144
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:49,320
Speaker 3: fifty and a hay, good defense, don't forget.

2145
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:56,719
Speaker 1: Good secondary to fifty and a half. H I gonna

2146
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:57,560
Speaker 1: take the under on that.

2147
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 3: Okay, uh TD passes for Drake two and a hay.

2148
01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:06,559
Speaker 1: I'll take the under on that.

2149
01:42:07,240 --> 01:42:10,799
Speaker 3: Stevenson carries five and a hay.

2150
01:42:11,080 --> 01:42:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the over on that.

2151
01:42:12,920 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 3: Okay, by a lot. No Hunter Henry touchdown catches a hey, I'll.

2152
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 1: Take the over on that. I think he keeps his

2153
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 1: early momentum going.

2154
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 3: But regardless, field goals made one and a hey, take

2155
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 3: the over on that. Okay, I'm gonna take the under

2156
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,680
Speaker 3: on that. They're only gonna have one. I know what

2157
01:42:33,720 --> 01:42:34,120
Speaker 3: you're doing.

2158
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 1: They're only gonna have one. A lot of miskicks this week,

2159
01:42:36,439 --> 01:42:41,679
Speaker 1: says Fred. No, no, no, Judah.

2160
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:44,639
Speaker 3: Do you agree with the statement that the Patriots should

2161
01:42:44,640 --> 01:42:45,519
Speaker 3: be three?

2162
01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 14: And?

2163
01:42:45,680 --> 01:42:48,080
Speaker 1: Oh no, they could be, but not should be.

2164
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 3: These past three games have showed me that teams we

2165
01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,800
Speaker 3: have played haven't needed to beat us. We have beat ourselves.

2166
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:57,639
Speaker 3: Do you guys think this problem is fixable? Or are

2167
01:42:57,640 --> 01:42:59,720
Speaker 3: we going to relive these past two years?

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01:42:59,720 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: I didn't not see the Raiders game like that. I

2169
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:05,040
Speaker 1: think the Raiders game they didn't have any opportunity to win. Now,

2170
01:43:05,160 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you they weren't good enough to win it,

2171
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: but that day the Raiders were better. I think they

2172
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,720
Speaker 1: could have easily beaten the Steelers on Sunday. I think

2173
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:19,040
Speaker 1: the better argument is should they should be two and one? Right? Right? Yeah?

2174
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:21,840
Speaker 1: But I think that they have every bit as much

2175
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:23,800
Speaker 1: to say that they should be three and oho as

2176
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:24,920
Speaker 1: they should be zero and three.

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01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 3: Dana, Virginia and Michigan. In week one, the offense was

2178
01:43:30,479 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 3: bad and the defense was bad. In week two, the

2179
01:43:33,400 --> 01:43:36,479
Speaker 3: offense was good and the defense was bad. In week three,

2180
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:39,200
Speaker 3: the offense was bad and the defense was good. That

2181
01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:42,439
Speaker 3: leads only one more possible combination. Week four, the offense

2182
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 3: is good and the defense is good. Here's hoping I

2183
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 3: like it. Paul noted that the offense was like pulling teeth,

2184
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:50,640
Speaker 3: and Evan has noted the lack of big plays. This

2185
01:43:50,720 --> 01:44:03,679
Speaker 3: is surprise wow, because he's really tickled. He's just tickled.

2186
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:06,639
Speaker 4: You guys, you guys.

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01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:11,519
Speaker 1: Well, who's back? Hello everyone, I'm back from the locker room.

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01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 6: Indeed, yes, hello, uh oh yeah yeah. Stefan Diggs of

2189
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 6: course spoke today. It's becoming a weekly thing now, so

2190
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:22,360
Speaker 6: that was good. Asked a lot of questions.

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01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,600
Speaker 1: Have you ever played in the slot before? Would you

2192
01:44:24,640 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 1: be comfortable anybody watched the games? I don't think so.

2193
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 6: I don't think like the game, like the Patriots games,

2194
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,320
Speaker 6: So that was that was big part. But you know,

2195
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:36,160
Speaker 6: he talked a lot about just young room. How do

2196
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 6: you feel about the room right now? And you know

2197
01:44:38,000 --> 01:44:40,600
Speaker 6: they're working the ball around, everybody's trying to get opportunities,

2198
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 6: but you know, just being encouraging. I think it's just

2199
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 6: really been impressive to me. He's been a really good leader,

2200
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 6: really good tone setter, the calmness about him. Talked about

2201
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,280
Speaker 6: his own experience as a rookie in training camp, said

2202
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:53,639
Speaker 6: he had a great training camp and got to the season,

2203
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,960
Speaker 6: wasn't really playing and didn't get opportunities early in his career.

2204
01:44:57,040 --> 01:44:59,360
Speaker 6: So I just think that experience is really good. And

2205
01:44:59,400 --> 01:45:02,160
Speaker 6: I think those younger players in that room listen to

2206
01:45:02,280 --> 01:45:05,000
Speaker 6: I mean Stefan Diggs, you know, it's it's everybody knows.

2207
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:05,280
Speaker 1: Who he is.

2208
01:45:05,320 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 6: So I think he's, uh, he's preaching the right things.

2209
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:10,439
Speaker 6: And then the other uh, we heard two other people

2210
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:13,800
Speaker 6: Christian Zalez as well. It sounds like he's ready to go.

2211
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 6: So he talked, they said are you can we The

2212
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:19,160
Speaker 6: last question was can we expect to see you Sunday?

2213
01:45:19,200 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 6: And he just said I'm excited, that's all he said.

2214
01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:22,840
Speaker 6: He didn't guarantee he was going to play.

2215
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 1: But he did talk last week too. Yeah, okay he

2216
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 1: did so, uh you know, quiet can't hear everything he's saying.

2217
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:30,799
Speaker 1: I'm kind of sneaking around.

2218
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:32,880
Speaker 6: And then one more thing I would just say I

2219
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:36,879
Speaker 6: noticed was that a number of players had game balls

2220
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:40,120
Speaker 6: from Miami the Miami game, including Drake May in their

2221
01:45:40,160 --> 01:45:40,679
Speaker 6: locker room.

2222
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:42,559
Speaker 1: Oh wasn't just Drake.

2223
01:45:42,600 --> 01:45:46,280
Speaker 6: I also saw one James Batt Garrett Bradberry's locker as well.

2224
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:48,160
Speaker 6: But I know there were a number of game balls

2225
01:45:48,160 --> 01:45:49,559
Speaker 6: given out in the post game, and there was some

2226
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 6: discussions had a game ball, and it sounds like it

2227
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:53,120
Speaker 6: sounds like one of those where.

2228
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,559
Speaker 1: A bunch of guys also got game balls, including Drake,

2229
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 1: including Drake.

2230
01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:00,519
Speaker 3: Very interesting, So your guy, it's very interesting. Oh you

2231
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:05,000
Speaker 3: think that was a makeup call, It's very interesting.

2232
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:11,000
Speaker 1: I couldn't help myself that one. I was standing listening

2233
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:12,400
Speaker 1: to Diggs and I looked up and I was like,

2234
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:16,519
Speaker 1: that's really that's good. That's a good But I saw

2235
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 1: one in Remandre's as well. Was he one of the

2236
01:46:18,479 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 1: ones they announced? Yeah, he was the first one. Brad Berry.

2237
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 6: I didn't do a full like locker room check but

2238
01:46:23,880 --> 01:46:27,240
Speaker 6: I did notice those guys did that one so also

2239
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:29,519
Speaker 6: from Morgan Moses again in other one you get I

2240
01:46:29,600 --> 01:46:30,799
Speaker 6: did not actually, but I think.

2241
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 1: I earned one the same show, right, great were you

2242
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 1: you was strong to quite strong in the post game show.

2243
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was that was it. Going out.

2244
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:41,720
Speaker 6: Looks like they're gonna be in shells. Another big day,

2245
01:46:41,760 --> 01:46:43,320
Speaker 6: big day of practice for the boys.

2246
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:47,360
Speaker 1: A light Wednesday or they have just like they have

2247
01:46:47,400 --> 01:46:50,559
Speaker 1: the pads. Yeah, not the shoulder pads, just the shells

2248
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:51,120
Speaker 1: and shells.

2249
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:53,960
Speaker 3: Was it a crowded locker room with media who was

2250
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:54,559
Speaker 3: pretty crowded.

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01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,559
Speaker 1: It was pretty crowded, And I mean that's.

2252
01:46:58,280 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 6: Oh no, it's I think it's Papacino's Fredos. Oh, but

2253
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:03,679
Speaker 6: I think that's.

2254
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:06,120
Speaker 1: The last Papa Gino's open in the world. It might

2255
01:47:06,160 --> 01:47:09,759
Speaker 1: be in the world. I like me had good Papa Gino's.

2256
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 6: But but the thing I noticed is being around here

2257
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 6: the last couple of years, my first couple of years

2258
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 6: here you had Tom Brady, Julian Edelman, Stefan Gilmour. He

2259
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:20,080
Speaker 6: had a lot of star players in the locker room.

2260
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 6: Was always consumed with getting to hear from those players.

2261
01:47:23,360 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 6: Last couple of years, not maybe not so much, but

2262
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:28,799
Speaker 6: you know, now it's becoming Wednesdays. We talked to Stefan Diggs,

2263
01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:31,280
Speaker 6: we talked to Christian Zalez. So some of these star

2264
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:34,000
Speaker 6: players starting to emerge a little bit. And it's just

2265
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:35,439
Speaker 6: he can feel it in the locker room at there,

2266
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:37,880
Speaker 6: guys you want to hear from every week to to

2267
01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 6: talk to, whereas last couple of years maybe not not

2268
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:40,479
Speaker 6: so much.

2269
01:47:40,479 --> 01:47:40,719
Speaker 1: Cool.

2270
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 3: Who was Evan talking to?

2271
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:45,600
Speaker 1: He just he's he's working his magic going around. I

2272
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:47,600
Speaker 1: don't know if I saw him talking anybody. I'm going

2273
01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:48,880
Speaker 1: to guess an offensive lineman.

2274
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 6: No, I I saw somebody talking to I think it

2275
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 6: was Charles Woods maybe, and I thought it was Evan

2276
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:54,559
Speaker 6: for a second, but it.

2277
01:47:54,479 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 1: Was Bob Sotcy Chucky Trees, Chuckie Trees. So but no

2278
01:48:00,479 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: good vibe.

2279
01:48:00,920 --> 01:48:02,479
Speaker 6: I mean, definitely a lot of energy in there, and

2280
01:48:02,520 --> 01:48:04,040
Speaker 6: it seems like the media is enjoying this.

2281
01:48:04,520 --> 01:48:06,200
Speaker 1: No longer having to go outside.

2282
01:48:06,439 --> 01:48:08,639
Speaker 6: And yeah, you know they get to cut right through football,

2283
01:48:08,840 --> 01:48:12,160
Speaker 6: just straight ahead. Don't don't look beyond the pipe and draping.

2284
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: You might get in trouble. Okay, So yeah, so we

2285
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:18,680
Speaker 1: got the we all have the impression that based on

2286
01:48:18,760 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 1: what Mike said that we would expect to see Gonzo,

2287
01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:23,200
Speaker 1: and that was the one. I know you listened to

2288
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: Rabel before you left. We didn't get your takes on anything.

2289
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:28,280
Speaker 1: That was the only real takeaway that I had. I

2290
01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:30,720
Speaker 1: don't know if you think so anything stand out to you. No,

2291
01:48:30,800 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 1: nothing else jumped out to me.

2292
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 6: I think that's just a big boost for the team,

2293
01:48:35,320 --> 01:48:36,880
Speaker 6: you know, get them, get them back up there.

2294
01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:39,720
Speaker 3: A lot of people are wondering, was Phil Perry in

2295
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:41,759
Speaker 3: fact winking at Rabel?

2296
01:48:42,120 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 1: Do we know the answer? Maybe someone said after Phil

2297
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:51,519
Speaker 1: shot his shot with Rabel, just given the old wig.

2298
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's a great question though, maybe we

2299
01:48:53,080 --> 01:48:53,800
Speaker 1: gotta ask Phil that.

2300
01:48:54,840 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 3: Okay, so we don't have an answer to that.

2301
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:57,719
Speaker 1: No.

2302
01:48:57,720 --> 01:48:59,360
Speaker 6: No, I didn't hear any scuttle but in the locker

2303
01:48:59,439 --> 01:49:00,720
Speaker 6: room about it either or it didn't seem like you

2304
01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:03,280
Speaker 6: weren't talking about it.

2305
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 1: No, I'm not here, Okay, I'm not a player, but

2306
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:14,439
Speaker 1: I do crush a lot, a lot I've been known for. Yeah,

2307
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:16,559
Speaker 1: so now they're out to the field and.

2308
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:18,240
Speaker 6: Not to the field, I'm gonna go out there too. Also,

2309
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 6: just had a little side conversation with Brochie about the

2310
01:49:20,360 --> 01:49:23,320
Speaker 6: red Sox and we're getting five games down, so some

2311
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:25,479
Speaker 6: palpable excitement here.

2312
01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,720
Speaker 1: If the team went night like we're going to get

2313
01:49:27,760 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 1: some October baseball.

2314
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:30,479
Speaker 6: And Dan was saying it'd be good just for h

2315
01:49:31,040 --> 01:49:32,759
Speaker 6: I think we feel the same way about the Patriots.

2316
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:34,920
Speaker 6: A young team just to get there and you don't

2317
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:36,280
Speaker 6: know how it's going to turn out once you do

2318
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 6: get there.

2319
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:39,519
Speaker 1: But that experience of making it good to build off

2320
01:49:39,520 --> 01:49:39,720
Speaker 1: of us.

2321
01:49:42,360 --> 01:49:43,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, when it comes to the Red Sox,

2322
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 3: it all comes down to pitching, hitting, and defense, right.

2323
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:53,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, catching maybe two defense, that's defense, bro fair enough.

2324
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:56,200
Speaker 1: He wouldn't know about that.

2325
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,559
Speaker 3: Ken Zi wants to know how far is Drake may

2326
01:50:00,600 --> 01:50:03,160
Speaker 3: progressed in these first three games. Are we seeing growth

2327
01:50:03,160 --> 01:50:06,120
Speaker 3: and decision making, poise and command of the offense, or

2328
01:50:06,160 --> 01:50:08,040
Speaker 3: are the same rookie mistakes lingering.

2329
01:50:10,160 --> 01:50:12,240
Speaker 1: I think there are some mistakes that are lingering, but

2330
01:50:12,320 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: I think he has progressed a good deal from what

2331
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:16,880
Speaker 1: we saw last year. I don't think we see as

2332
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 1: many of those examples of him being harried and you know,

2333
01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,439
Speaker 1: off target. But I think there's been a progression. Yeah,

2334
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,360
Speaker 1: don't you think there's been a progression from last year?

2335
01:50:25,360 --> 01:50:27,080
Speaker 1: I think he's played better. Absolutely. I was like, you're

2336
01:50:27,120 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 1: kind of looking at me as like, ma, No, I

2337
01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:29,360
Speaker 1: didn't who they were talking about. I thought it was

2338
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:30,720
Speaker 1: maybe sitting the wrong I was trying to find it.

2339
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:31,080
Speaker 1: I missed.

2340
01:50:31,080 --> 01:50:33,360
Speaker 3: Now I think we're seeing. To me, I'm seeing a

2341
01:50:33,439 --> 01:50:36,559
Speaker 3: semblance of a real offense as compared to last year.

2342
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:40,280
Speaker 3: And he's the quarterback, so in that way he's part

2343
01:50:40,320 --> 01:50:41,640
Speaker 3: of that progression.

2344
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I talked about it before.

2345
01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:46,000
Speaker 6: I mean I was always impressed with even Mac, Like

2346
01:50:46,040 --> 01:50:48,160
Speaker 6: in the first camp I saw Hi where he looked

2347
01:50:48,160 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 6: pretty calm in the pocket, and then I kind of dissolved.

2348
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:54,480
Speaker 1: But with Drake, I feel like he's really progressed.

2349
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:56,040
Speaker 6: And even in the OTAs this spring and summer, it

2350
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,800
Speaker 6: just felt like, Wow, he doesn't seem like we're starting over,

2351
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 6: doesn't seem like it's too much for him, and as

2352
01:51:02,240 --> 01:51:04,360
Speaker 6: you've seen for large portions of the game, he looks

2353
01:51:04,479 --> 01:51:06,560
Speaker 6: fairly comfortable. I do think there are parts of the

2354
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,680
Speaker 6: game where he gets sped up a little bit and

2355
01:51:08,680 --> 01:51:10,760
Speaker 6: his feet get off and he gets a little bit inaccurate,

2356
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 6: but it's kind of early and late.

2357
01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right.

2358
01:51:14,320 --> 01:51:17,840
Speaker 3: Adam in California has a question for Deuce. Vrabel is

2359
01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 3: now zero and two when wearing red. What do you

2360
01:51:22,479 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 3: think about that? Do we need to get him to

2361
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:24,160
Speaker 3: wear it?

2362
01:51:25,000 --> 01:51:27,920
Speaker 6: I know, I know, I don't know. I haven't taking notes.

2363
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:29,720
Speaker 6: We'll see if there are any trends emerged. But he's

2364
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:33,439
Speaker 6: clearly a big vest guy, so you know Bill, that

2365
01:51:33,520 --> 01:51:34,760
Speaker 6: was the big thing with Bill. I mean, he was

2366
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 6: known for the cutoff hoodie, but he really didn't wan

2367
01:51:36,479 --> 01:51:37,440
Speaker 6: to the cutoff hoodie.

2368
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 1: More than anything else.

2369
01:51:38,040 --> 01:51:38,280
Speaker 2: Though.

2370
01:51:38,840 --> 01:51:41,680
Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a tidbit there for I know.

2371
01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:44,760
Speaker 3: I know, I know Eddie and La I feel like

2372
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 3: taking away the run game is the key to stopping

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Speaker 3: the Panthers. Also, keeping Bryce in the pocket, don't let

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Speaker 3: him escape and run around. He's been keeping plays alive

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Speaker 3: and Tet is his go to man when he runs

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Speaker 3: out of the pocket. The game is winnable, let's get right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you keep him in the pocket.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I.

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Speaker 6: Think that's smart. But I agree with the point with McMillan.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I wasn't. I'm never I don't get super

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01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:10,679
Speaker 6: high on those guys usually in the draft, like thet

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01:52:10,680 --> 01:52:12,160
Speaker 6: they're not the ones that tickle my fancy.

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Speaker 1: But he's actually looked really good to me. Evan mentioned it.

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Speaker 6: But he's got some nice bend, he's fluid. He just

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01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:20,240
Speaker 6: doesn't look stiff. A lot of those big guys, they

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01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:22,360
Speaker 6: just look stiff. They can't move in space that well,

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Speaker 6: and he seems like he can. So I think they've

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Speaker 6: got to find there. That's been a little bit of

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Speaker 6: the disappointment. But yeah, he's he's a target. They got

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Speaker 6: to figure him out, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Go to guy. Okay, you know with Legett, I just

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01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 1: want to throw in this. We're often critical of Oh,

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01:52:37,600 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: they had an opportunity to draft x or why and

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01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:43,640
Speaker 1: supposedly he was a guy they were really interested in

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01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:46,200
Speaker 1: last year and evidently they were interested in trading up

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01:52:46,240 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 1: to get couldn't make the deal. I think it was Buffalo. Yeah,

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01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:51,920
Speaker 1: might be one that they You know, we talk a

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01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 1: lot about Polk and mconkee. Oh McConkie, right, yep. We

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01:52:57,240 --> 01:53:00,160
Speaker 1: talked about you had Lad McConkie there and you to

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01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:03,839
Speaker 1: Jalen Polk. Well they got away with one touch the bullet.

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01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:04,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:53:04,200 --> 01:53:08,080
Speaker 6: Maybe, like Legette is surprising though, I mean I haven't

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01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:09,680
Speaker 6: said it. It's just it almost looks a little bit

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01:53:09,720 --> 01:53:11,680
Speaker 6: like poping Drake right now to me with him, like

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01:53:11,720 --> 01:53:13,920
Speaker 6: it's just like they're not the timing's off with these guys.

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01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:15,519
Speaker 1: He doesn't quite have a feel for him yet, but

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01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:17,040
Speaker 1: maybe he'll develop it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's go to Saint Louis.

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Speaker 1: Curtis is there?

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01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:21,000
Speaker 3: What's up, Curtis?

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01:53:22,479 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 10: Hey, how you guys doing?

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01:53:23,600 --> 01:53:24,320
Speaker 1: Good? Man?

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01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:25,840
Speaker 7: Hey?

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01:53:25,960 --> 01:53:29,080
Speaker 8: It just in regards to the email earlier about uh,

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01:53:29,160 --> 01:53:31,640
Speaker 8: you know, trading for a receiver. I am kind of

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01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:34,080
Speaker 8: with Paul on I'd like to see a little more

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01:53:34,120 --> 01:53:39,840
Speaker 8: from our guys. I'm also not sure if Rabel would

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01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 8: be making any kind of moves like that unless we

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01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:44,439
Speaker 8: are looking at like maybe making a wild card in

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01:53:44,479 --> 01:53:47,800
Speaker 8: a playoff, you know, closer to the trade deadline.

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01:53:49,400 --> 01:53:50,719
Speaker 10: I would say, though, if there.

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01:53:50,680 --> 01:53:54,000
Speaker 8: Was one guy that maybe closer to that time, you know,

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01:53:54,080 --> 01:53:57,040
Speaker 8: that they could possibly be interested, it would be DJ

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01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:00,479
Speaker 8: Moore from uh Chicago. I think he kind of getting

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01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:02,800
Speaker 8: arm Sorry, yeah, I think he is kind of getting

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01:54:02,840 --> 01:54:04,559
Speaker 8: faded out a little bit in.

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01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 1: That offense and just could that Sunday it wasn't.

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01:54:09,800 --> 01:54:12,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean that's Chicago's another team that's

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01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:13,639
Speaker 3: showing life.

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01:54:13,880 --> 01:54:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.

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01:54:16,880 --> 01:54:18,439
Speaker 10: But I just I agree.

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01:54:18,439 --> 01:54:21,280
Speaker 8: I just think with with you know, Rome Madoon Day

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01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:23,840
Speaker 8: and you know, even Lucan Burton, I know, who's kind

2435
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:26,400
Speaker 8: of had a big game. It's just one game. But

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01:54:26,479 --> 01:54:29,360
Speaker 8: I just think that, uh, you know, he just was

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01:54:29,400 --> 01:54:31,439
Speaker 8: an option, just something I thought that. Yeah, I think

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01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 8: he could be a good weapon.

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01:54:32,600 --> 01:54:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, I agree with that. I think he

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01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:36,880
Speaker 1: would be a good weapon for me. I just don't

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01:54:36,880 --> 01:54:39,320
Speaker 1: know why Chicago wants to move on. Like I agree

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01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 1: with Fred, I think Chicago's in a very similar position

2443
01:54:41,960 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: as you are, and you should be in the business

2444
01:54:44,200 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 1: of accumulating assets rather than than dealing them off. I

2445
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:52,440
Speaker 1: think he's a good player. I don't know why Chicago

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01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:53,760
Speaker 1: would want to try.

2447
01:54:54,040 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 3: Like now in a few years. It could be it

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01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,880
Speaker 3: could be a like a Bengal situation where you've got

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01:54:58,880 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 3: three really good receivers.

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01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,480
Speaker 1: Is you can't pay them all, you know, Well, yeah,

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01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:03,240
Speaker 1: if you.

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01:55:04,200 --> 01:55:06,400
Speaker 8: If you get ahead of that horse, right they've got.

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01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,400
Speaker 1: But you're not close to that with Adunz in his

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01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:15,160
Speaker 1: second year, right like you Yeah, right, thanks, Curtis. I

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01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:17,440
Speaker 1: think you're looking at the end of next year before

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01:55:17,480 --> 01:55:21,320
Speaker 1: you can even do anything with Adz, and at that point,

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01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:23,200
Speaker 1: DJ Moore is probably going to be a little older

2458
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 1: than what you want to do. Like I think, I

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01:55:26,160 --> 01:55:28,280
Speaker 1: think Chicago is probably looking at it. And I like

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01:55:28,360 --> 01:55:31,680
Speaker 1: the the player. DJ Moore is a good player. I

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01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:34,360
Speaker 1: think he would help a guy like Drake May a lot.

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01:55:34,440 --> 01:55:35,839
Speaker 1: I think he's a professional receiver.

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01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:39,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, one more call, we'll call it a show.

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01:55:39,200 --> 01:55:40,760
Speaker 3: Ben's and Philly, what's up? Ben?

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Speaker 13: Hey, you just wanted to ask what your guys thoughts

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01:55:44,800 --> 01:55:48,360
Speaker 13: on The next Patriots assistant coach to be inducted into

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01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,760
Speaker 13: Patriots Hall of Fame would be. Uh, my pick would

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01:55:51,800 --> 01:55:55,640
Speaker 13: have to be Ernie Adam. I realized he's on relection committee.

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01:55:55,680 --> 01:56:02,879
Speaker 3: I believe yep, ye, I mean Ernie Adams.

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01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:04,320
Speaker 1: He's a great one.

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01:56:04,320 --> 01:56:04,960
Speaker 3: I'd put him in.

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01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely because he's been here more than just

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Speaker 1: Bill as a coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's a guy that not a lot

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Speaker 3: of people know about, and he would have to be

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01:56:14,280 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 3: like a veterans. But Buck o' kilroy was with the organization.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't a coach, but he was a GM and

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01:56:20,200 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 3: a scout and personnel guy. Pretty prolific.

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Speaker 6: He is pretty prolific, and as I've died, more and

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01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:31,400
Speaker 6: more into Patriots history. It's amazing how much he pops

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01:56:31,480 --> 01:56:33,680
Speaker 6: up not just for the Patriots but across the league

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01:56:33,720 --> 01:56:36,680
Speaker 6: for his scouting methods and really I think one of

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01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:39,280
Speaker 6: the guys that revolutionized the game and was here for

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01:56:39,320 --> 01:56:41,120
Speaker 6: a long time. You know, there's a lot of there's

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01:56:41,240 --> 01:56:43,120
Speaker 6: quite a few of those guys that were part of

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01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 6: this Patriots organization that you might not realize off the

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01:56:46,280 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 6: top of your head, but really have big impacts around

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01:56:48,640 --> 01:56:48,960
Speaker 6: the league.

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01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, even like the coaches we've talked about.

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01:56:50,640 --> 01:56:53,400
Speaker 6: The schemes defensively and offensively that you know that they

2491
01:56:53,400 --> 01:56:55,960
Speaker 6: were using in the late seventies were the same roots

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01:56:56,000 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 6: schemes that they were using under Bill.

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01:56:58,360 --> 01:56:59,720
Speaker 1: And you know even in eighty five.

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01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:01,280
Speaker 6: Like so, there's a lot of a lot of really

2495
01:57:01,320 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 6: cool threads in football history and Patriots history.

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01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I don't, off the top of my head,

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01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:08,720
Speaker 3: I can't think of another. And you know, I'm a

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01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:11,480
Speaker 3: hard greater, but I can't think of any other assistant

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01:57:11,480 --> 01:57:13,160
Speaker 3: coaches that I would put in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 6: I mean, if Josh crushes it with Drake and they like, okay,

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01:57:15,840 --> 01:57:18,720
Speaker 6: I have a lot of projecting you I'm talking about

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01:57:18,720 --> 01:57:21,120
Speaker 6: as of right now, as of right now, and I

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01:57:21,120 --> 01:57:24,160
Speaker 6: could say Ernie is a contributor maybe yeah, but.

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01:57:25,600 --> 01:57:28,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yep, you know me.

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01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:32,080
Speaker 3: Small, small hall, small hall. All right. That's going to

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Speaker 3: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be

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Speaker 3: back tomorrow, big day. We got our picks, Paul. Everybody

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Speaker 3: have a good week.

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Speaker 1: No, but you continue to Oh.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well I didn't have a good week.

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Speaker 1: Yep. We will tie on the last place, all right,

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