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Speaker 1: we're black, We're brown ambition, hey, Mandra.

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Speaker 2: And all black and brown lives matter. Yes, I've loved

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Speaker 2: the little tweak that people are making to that hashtag.

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Speaker 2: Now all black lives matter. Yes, it's one of the

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Speaker 2: highlights of the week. I am you know what I

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Speaker 2: a bright, ad, bushy tailed eighteen year old Mandy Lee

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Speaker 2: up for all the career fair, you know, not career fair,

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Speaker 2: all the activity at the activities fair, you know when

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Speaker 2: you're a freshman. But I don't have the stamina that

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Speaker 2: I quite did, so I think I've signed up for

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Speaker 2: a few too many things the past week, and I

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Speaker 2: am tired. But it's a good kind of tired feel.

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Speaker 2: I know that there are so many people and you

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Speaker 2: have every right to be exhausted and just drained and sad,

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Speaker 2: and I know that there are plenty of you. I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm from Atlanta and my heart is bleeding for that city.

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Speaker 2: My family is there, my brother was out there in

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Speaker 2: the streets protesting yet another killing, this time a young

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Speaker 2: man named ray Shard Brooks, who just you know, you

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Speaker 2: guys have probably seen the video. Don't have to get

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Speaker 2: What I will say is, I've chosen I've chosen to

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Speaker 2: And you know what people I'm talking about. And people

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Speaker 2: are feeling real sorry because they have been to face

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Speaker 2: their own their own what do you call it, their

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Speaker 2: own complicity in allowing these types of things to continue.

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Speaker 2: And people are acknowledging, oh shit, I could have done

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Speaker 2: something all this time and I never? Why did I never?

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Speaker 2: What do I think this is? Did I think this

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Speaker 2: I'm talking not just about people like in my family,

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Speaker 2: it feels like a call to action. I really have

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Speaker 2: I feel like, if you're out there and you want

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Speaker 2: all have every reason to be cynical about the people

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Speaker 2: who are stepping up now, reaching out of hand to

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Speaker 2: and I've chosen to go with optimism. I've chosen to

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Speaker 2: if you're not tired enough, or you're not tired and

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Speaker 2: you're not exhausted, I encourage you to look at this

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Speaker 2: as an opportunity. This is the moment finally people are listening.

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Speaker 2: So what can we ask for? What can we what

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Speaker 2: And that is Yeah, that's how I'm doing. But it's

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just feel like I think opening

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Speaker 1: She's like, no, there used to be standing up. I

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Speaker 1: So they don't seem so big, but they add up.

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Speaker 1: So I shared stories like from what I was really young,

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Speaker 2: and doing it purposefully in a way that was inclusive.

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00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: And that's why you see my team now as forty

432
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 2: percent black, Indigenous or person of color BIPOC is what

433
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 2: I'm calling it. I don't know if you can say BYPOC,

434
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: but that's how I've been pronouncing it. They BIPOC, and

435
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 2: that is not evident to me across the company. So

436
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: for me, I think there's a lot of good intentions

437
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 2: at my company, but I have not seen actions. And

438
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: so I hopped on the phone with one of my colleagues,

439
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 2: who he yeah, talk about like the what's the opposite

440
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,119
Speaker 2: of imposter syndrome? This guy walks through the world and

441
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 2: God bless him. God bless him because he walks through

442
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: the world like and what are you going to give

443
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 2: me today? And I used to think he was kind

444
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: of a dick, but honestly, I have so much respect

445
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 2: for him because he actually he actually encourages me to

446
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: kind of have I'm not going to go to that

447
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: level because not you know, being a woman and having

448
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: that attitude it will not get you. Honestly, it's sad

449
00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 2: to say and not going to get me very far.

450
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 2: I'll become a bitch in a minute, according to everyone

451
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: who interacts with me. But anyway, I talked to him

452
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: and I found out that he was going to be

453
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: emailing the CEO, and I started to think, like, I

454
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: have something to say here. And I saw you know,

455
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 2: human resources starting They were doing these you know, group

456
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 2: small group discussions on Zoom and there was a slack

457
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 2: channel diversity and Inclusion with hundreds of people in it,

458
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: and it was I'm sorry, a lot of non black

459
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: people talking about what they've learned, and it got very

460
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 2: annoying very quickly, so I muted it. So I sat

461
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 2: down and I thought, I'm like, what what can I

462
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 2: what can I ask for? I have had a unique

463
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: position in this company where I've been able to hire

464
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: and I've seen, I seen where we're falling short, and

465
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: I'm tired of it. And I can feel that they

466
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 2: want to do something more than just send an email out,

467
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 2: and so I sent, I penned an email to I penned,

468
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 2: I typed an email to our CEO. Let's be real, okay,

469
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 2: And there was six points in my email, and I'll

470
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,199
Speaker 2: go through them really quickly because I think if you

471
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 2: are in a position of and you think you need

472
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: to be this is the beautiful thing about this moment.

473
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,399
Speaker 2: I think any like it gives you if you're a

474
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 2: person of color in a company, there's many of us

475
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: out there, okay, And if you feel like if you're

476
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 2: at a town hall and they have an open mic,

477
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: I think we have. There's a little bit of like

478
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: this halo of protection around us right now. And you

479
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: know your company better than I do, but I do

480
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: feel like it is being champion and celebrated people of

481
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 2: color speaking up and calling out their companies right now.

482
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: So I would be a little bit braver than usual

483
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: if you feel like you have something to say to

484
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: your company, whether it's an email or you know, speaking

485
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: up at an open mic or whatever. But here are

486
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: the six things that I asked for based on my experience.

487
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: So One, publish diversity statistics on employees because people like I.

488
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: I pay attention to that and I actively try to

489
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: improve it on my team. But you know it's work,

490
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 2: and it's already hard enough recruiting, and I know it's

491
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: not going to happen until we as a company face

492
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: the music. What are our diversity stats? What what are

493
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: the demographics of our workers? And where do we where

494
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 2: do we stand and where you know, how can we improve?

495
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: Those have not been published. They've been talked about. I

496
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: think they exist, they haven't been published. The next one

497
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 2: is commit to inclusive hiring practices and training. This is

498
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: key training for hiring managers and unconscious bias because a

499
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: lot of companies, you know, they get people power to

500
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: hire people, but they when you don't set people up

501
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 2: in a way that helps them recognize their own their

502
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 2: own bias and the way that they're recruiting people or

503
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: who they're going to to recruit people. And whether you

504
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 2: work for a company you own your own business, the

505
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 2: same applies. This is how you end up with executives

506
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: that all look the same or employees across the board

507
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: who all look the same because of recruiting practices. And

508
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: this is a big one for me. I personally worked

509
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: very hard. I mean it took me six months to

510
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 2: recruit my number two, which is a senior position on

511
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: my CMP, because I was determined. I wasn't determined to

512
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: turn down people who weren't people of color.

513
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,400
Speaker 1: But I was.

514
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 2: Determined to cast my net wide enough so that I

515
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 2: felt like I had enough people of color in the mix,

516
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 2: just just to like have a shot at it, you know,

517
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: and a very and very few people, in my opinion,

518
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 2: take that time and have that patience. But I you know,

519
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: it's not and people will. I know that they will,

520
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: maybe not our listeners, but if someone were to hear

521
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: this who is more conservative, or maybe the Black Lives

522
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: Matter movement, you know, makes them nervous for whatever reason,

523
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: because oh no, there's not enough for everybody, and they're

524
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: going to take mine. The mentality is that, oh, well,

525
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: you're just taking away jobs from people who are qualified. No,

526
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 2: And this is a very important point. The key to

527
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: inclusivet inclusive hiring is that you are casting a wide

528
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 2: enough net so that everyone starts from the same position

529
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: and you are getting more people than what you may

530
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: get by just reaching out to the person you know

531
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: at your last job or reaching out to your alma mater.

532
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,719
Speaker 2: You are purposefully putting people in the pool that are

533
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: reflective of the population so that you have a chance

534
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 2: to run across people who are not just one type

535
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 2: of person. And I think that's very important and it

536
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: requires it requires you to admit and make it okay

537
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 2: to say I see color or I may have a

538
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: bias against certain names. Like the data is out there,

539
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 2: we have it, you know, so we need to recognize

540
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 2: that and train people for it, because I think it's

541
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: irresponsible not to. And anyway, so the third thing, I know,

542
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: I said it'd be quick, but here I am improve

543
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 2: how we recruit and retain BIPOC talent, retain black talent.

544
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: It's not just about getting them in the door. You

545
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: need to understand they may not feel welcome, they may

546
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: not feel safe, they may not feel confident and raising

547
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: their hand asking for what they need to work. They

548
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: may feel isolated if there's not very much diversity, they

549
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 2: may be facing microaggressions every day. You need to make

550
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: it a safe place for them. And so I ask

551
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 2: not just to improve retainment, but let's look at attrition

552
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: rates of black employees. What can we glean from exit interviews?

553
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: Why are they leaving? What do they say? Let's talk

554
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 2: about that and let's face and commit to making them

555
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: feel more included, you know, And there's small things that

556
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: you can do to do that. Commit to eliminating pay

557
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: disparity for black employees people of color in the company.

558
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 2: This is a big one, and it can be done,

559
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: and maybe companies are doing it in the background, but

560
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 2: actually telling, like being transparent about it, telling your employees, hey,

561
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: we have consultants or we have whoever looking at pay

562
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: inequities across our company. That kind of thing matters. And

563
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 2: I've been at and it's not just the company I'm

564
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 2: working for now, but when it comes to deciding compensation,

565
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: you have to look at who is in that room,

566
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: who's at the table, and who values what Are there

567
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: people at the table who value things like pay equity

568
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: Because I'm telling you now, I have had to fight, fight, fight, fight,

569
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: fight to get equal pay for people on my team

570
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: over the years, and often I'm the one who cares

571
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 2: the most and I'm just annoying enough to get it done.

572
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 2: It shouldn't have to be that way, you know. So

573
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: that's a big one, showing a commitment to the advancement

574
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: of black employees in the company. So this is key

575
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: sometimes and this is not just for black employees, it's

576
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: for every employee. Like you need to level the playing field,

577
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: and one way to do that is to explain how

578
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: the game works. It should not be a mystery because

579
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: you do not have the benefit of having uncle or

580
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: a cousin or a friend from college who had been

581
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: there before you, or know someone who know. If someone

582
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 2: who knows how it works and can, like you know,

583
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: take you aside and explain you know how negotiation works,

584
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 2: or how do promotions work, or how do you get

585
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: to the c suite? How do you get to the

586
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 2: c suite?

587
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: Like?

588
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: How? And why is it a secret? Why should it be?

589
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 2: I think education and knowledge is the great equalizer, or

590
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 2: one of them, and you should give that to your

591
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 2: employees so that the path is clear for everyone. And

592
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 2: if employers can't answer that question, that is a real

593
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: clear sign to me that there's issues there there. If

594
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 2: you're not if you're not dictating and able to explain

595
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 2: to me the career path, then how he or she

596
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 2: or whoever got to the top. If it doesn't make sense,

597
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: or if it's happening for random reasons, then you're actively

598
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 2: I think working against underrepresented employees, especially black employees. That's

599
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: just I just can't I can't sit and know that

600
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: as a com company, we're not transparent about that kind

601
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: of thing and telling people. Here's how you do it

602
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: like it just shouldn't be a secret. And the last one,

603
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: and this is one that I encourage people to look

604
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: at because you may not realize this, but many many

605
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: corporations out there have political action committees. Do we know

606
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: what a pack is? No political action committees? So this

607
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: is you know how there's limits on how much you

608
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 2: can donate to a political candidate you personally, tiffany or

609
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: as a business. So what they do is they set

610
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: up a political not they, but you can set up

611
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: a political action committee and then people can contribute to that.

612
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 2: And that's how you can have so you have packs

613
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: for all different kinds of ideologies, all different kinds of

614
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 2: businesses and industries. Like a pack that supports reproductive rights

615
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: is going to raise money and then give it to

616
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 2: candidates who have policies in line with their beliefs. So

617
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: my company has a pack and it's one of those.

618
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: It's an open secret. Literally you can go to OpenSecrets

619
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: dot org, look up the name of your company and

620
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: find out if they have a pack, and if they

621
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: have a pack, who they're contributing to. And in my

622
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: in the email to our company, our CEO said that

623
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 2: he supported Black Lives Matter and he wanted to be

624
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: an ally. I'm not quoting him directly, but that was

625
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 2: the message. I want to be an ally. I'm here

626
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: to help. I believe in this cause, I believe in

627
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: racial equality. I have a lot to learn. Okay. I

628
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:22,200
Speaker 2: went to OpenSecrets dot org looked at who we contributed

629
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: dollars to, and no, I didn't recognize all their names

630
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 2: or senators from local races house, you know, legislators from

631
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: all over. So what you can also do, and I

632
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 2: recommend this, open a new tab and go to the

633
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 2: NAACP scorecard because they have a beautiful PDF where they

634
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: literally give every senator and every representative in the House

635
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 2: a grade on how they vote according to NAACP important issues,

636
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 2: so usually issues of civil rights in racial justice. So

637
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: I could look, and I could and I could compare

638
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: and see the vast majority of Canada's are pack contributed

639
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 2: to scored an f Wow, you and you talked about

640
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: Tiffany like voting with your dollars. This is literally a

641
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: company voting with its dollars. And corporations often you know,

642
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 2: big businesses, of course they and we're in the financial sector.

643
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 2: Of course, you want to support policies and candidates who

644
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 2: probably have more leniency toward tax structure, corporate tax structure,

645
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 2: real estate, if you're building a new office or whatever.

646
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: I get that, But if you're going to tell your

647
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: employees that you really and truly care about these issues

648
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: impacting the black community, that does not jive to me.

649
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: That to me is hipocrisy at its highest level. And

650
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 2: I called that out and I'm not the only one

651
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: at the company. It's just it's one of those things

652
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 2: that like people have asked about or it's known, but

653
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 2: I never really had a good answer for it, and

654
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: I'm tired of it now. I'm like, tell me, why

655
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: why do we need to contribute to these campaigns or

656
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: these candidates if they're not in line with the issues

657
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: that you say are important to you.

658
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: Exactly because you vote with your with your dollars. A yes,

659
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,239
Speaker 1: your money is in alignment with what you truly think

660
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: and feel. And so what you're telling us is that

661
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: you say one thing, but you're doing another. So why

662
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't I Why should I show up fully for this

663
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: place in space? So one of the things we did

664
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 1: for because you know, my company is largely I mean

665
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: there's literally one person that's not African American. And I

666
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: know it's honestly, it's been like today, you know, we're

667
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: taking on Monday. So on Monday, you know, I don't

668
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: know if y'all know, but we have our Monday mental

669
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: health check in Mondays and we just honestly, we did

670
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: a lot of venting because all last week because it

671
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: was just so heavy. So last week I basically gave

672
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: the whole company the week off. I was like, yo,

673
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: hung your babies, relaxed, relax. So we rotated like so

674
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: you knew what days that, you know, because we it

675
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: was such a short notice. So we did three days off.

676
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: So you met with your team lead and they organized

677
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:58,719
Speaker 1: a schedule when you had your three days off, and

678
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: we plan on I want to do a full full

679
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: week where you know, but it's just like I said,

680
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: literally it was like a Thursday, and I was like,

681
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: you know what, next week, let's take three daggs off

682
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: east just to wusan that whole week. And we did.

683
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: So it was so nice to slow down so much.

684
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: So even today we had our calls and stuff. If

685
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: we weren't all backed up like we usually are, we

686
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: didn't have like a ton of things. It's just there's

687
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: just so much going on and it's so heavy, and

688
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to honor the fact that you are human

689
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 1: being and you feel and you're afraid and you're scared,

690
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,840
Speaker 1: and you're frustrated and you're angry and you're mad. We

691
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: talk about it on Slack like, yo, you see this BS,

692
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 1: like you know you are free to express yourself completely

693
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: and fully, and it's honestly expected. But I get it.

694
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 1: It's different because it's black folks talking to black folks. It'spending.

695
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: The only one non black person has not said anything,

696
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: which is hilarious. I guess keeps keeping in lights. I

697
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: suppose in more ways than one, which is funny. But whatever,

698
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: But I'm here. You're here, so you know, you'll you know,

699
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe to be fair, maybe he just

700
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: feels uncomfortable, like it's not my place to say anything,

701
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: but you will listen because we talk about it at

702
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: our team meetings. We talk about it and we will

703
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: continue to talk about it because we serve black women.

704
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: So how dare we not honor the fact that this

705
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: is a community that has long since suffered and something

706
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: needs to be said. One of the things I said

707
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: that someone told me resonated with them when I took

708
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: over Ashland's ig accountants that I said, you know, it

709
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,439
Speaker 1: hit me that, which is also a very ironic word,

710
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 1: that I and myself and other black African Americans are

711
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: are in an abusive relationship with the with America. That

712
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: because I was wondering to myself, why am I so angry,

713
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 1: so sad, so frustrated. I mean, this is not the

714
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,879
Speaker 1: first time something like this has happened, but this time

715
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: felt different, and I realized that you we have been

716
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: getting I have been getting hit my whole life by America,

717
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: right so like second grade, third grade, fourth grade, I mean,

718
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: my whole life nine years old. Get out, nigga, when

719
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: I used to work at Balley's at nineteen, like just

720
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: my whole life hit hit and sometimes you duck and

721
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: you dodge, and you you and but you've normalized the

722
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: abuse because it happens so consistently. This happens, so you adjust,

723
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: You say, Okay, in order to not get abused here,

724
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have my white friend Catherine come and I'm

725
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: gonna put away all my black pictures, Okay, in order

726
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: to this. I'm gonna make sure that I go to

727
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: this school and I'm going to make sure that I'm

728
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: not too loud, okay, in order to be like, we

729
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: make these adjustments to minimize the abuse, and we normalize that.

730
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: And what this, what's happened now, is that you couldn't

731
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 1: It's like someone you are at your doctor's office, sitting

732
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: in the in the examination room with no clothes on,

733
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: and all of your bruises, some of them faded, some

734
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: of them fresh, some of them new. You are fully

735
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: bruised up, and now you're exposed. That's why that's why

736
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: there's such this rage and anger and sadness, This universal

737
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: just I'm over it is because you finally look down

738
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: and you just see just how much abuse you've taken,

739
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: and you realize it's not normal and normal.

740
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 2: You also feel you remember things that you that you forgot, like, yeah,

741
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: have you had those I've heard from people time and again.

742
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: I thought this was normal. Now when I look at

743
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,879
Speaker 2: it through the lens of what we're going through, now,

744
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 2: that's not okay. That wasn't okay, But you're right, it

745
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 2: became so normal and just to get through the day

746
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 2: just like you would it would protect yourself to get

747
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 2: through another work week. Just get me to Friday, just

748
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 2: make it payday. I'll leave these people behind. And it's

749
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: it's sad. It's very No, you're right, it's very very sad.

750
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, knowing, like even grown as I am now, it's

751
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 1: much money to have my bank account. Now, I dare

752
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: not touch something in certain stores if I'm not buying it,

753
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: because it's going to be a problem. Like that's crazy.

754
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: There's something to be said around living around black folks.

755
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: I was considering moving from Nework, and if I do move,

756
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm certainly moving to another black city because I refuse

757
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: because I love going the Whole Foods and the security

758
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: yard is black. He's like, what upsys, I'm like, what up?

759
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: The cashier is black, the stock boy is black. I'm

760
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: not followed. I don't feel any kind of way like

761
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: I honestly, more now than ever, I realized that because

762
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: I grew up in an all white town and I

763
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: understand why my parents brought us there because the school

764
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,479
Speaker 1: system was so great, but I.

765
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 2: Don't want it.

766
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's it just took an emotional toll in

767
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: exchange for that education. It's like it took such an

768
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: emotional toll, and I look at my husband and there

769
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: ain't a way in hell. You know, it's hard enough

770
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: living across the street from the neighbors, right, but ain't

771
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 1: no way in hell that I'm putting him through, like

772
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: to live in a different neighborhood, putting him through what

773
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,760
Speaker 1: that would look like when when when his nephew comes

774
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: to visit, or when you know, my sister comes to

775
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: visit and like you being followed, the neighbors call the

776
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: police on you and your own house. I'm just not

777
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: with it. And so yeah, it's just that's why allyship

778
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 1: is so important. That's why you've heard black folks say

779
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: that this is not a problem that we can fix.

780
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: Because I can't fix the fact that someone says my

781
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: house is worth less because I'm black. Someone has to

782
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: step in, someone has to be missed the DAYA.

783
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 2: And white that it is now they're white. People in

784
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: power are white, and so it's not until they recognize

785
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: the until they recognize the power they have and that

786
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: they have something to contribute and they can make meaningful change,

787
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: which hopefully I hope is happening now. We can't do

788
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 2: it alone. And that's why it's been so fucking exhausting

789
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: because you feel like you're fighting and banging your fist,

790
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: you know, at the very bottom of the ladder, and.

791
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: It's like one thing. I will say that, like the

792
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,879
Speaker 1: something happened in the comments when I share the story

793
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: about my house, someone was like, I'm a president of

794
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: a of a credit union and I did not know

795
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: of those stats. He said, I am going to when

796
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: I get back, I'm going to talk to my team

797
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 1: about looking at our appraisal process and what we can

798
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: do to help circumvent that. You know, I could have wept.

799
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: I could have wept with joy because sometimes people don't

800
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: know because it's not happening to you. You're not getting hit,

801
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: so you don't realize other people are getting hit every day.

802
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: And so just hearing that that's Allyship, that's Allyship. I

803
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: hear you, I see you. I'm listening. I act that

804
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: is Allyship.

805
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: And I encourage I mean you, you know, I will

806
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 2: bring up I know my mom is listening to the

807
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: podcast now, which makes me very like, makes me very

808
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: self conscious because I'm like mom. We talk about raise

809
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 2: a lot anyway, but we had a very frank discussion

810
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 2: with as a family this week. My mom is white,

811
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 2: my sister is white. My little brother and I are

812
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: biracial anyway. But we had like a like a two

813
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 2: and a half hour conversation, and my mom is really

814
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 2: going through it. It is like she has she has

815
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: woken up to her own privilege and it's all hitting

816
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 2: her at once, and we're trying to like, I'm very

817
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: happy for her, but I'm just like, you need to

818
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: just you know, you have a lot to educate yourself on.

819
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: You need to catch up. We are happy for you,

820
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: but you need to do this on your own time.

821
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of willingness out there, and a

822
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 2: lot of a lot of willingness for white Americans to

823
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 2: finally admit that the story that they've been telling themselves,

824
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: a story that the America has told them for so long,

825
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: that you got where you got because you're good, and

826
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: you're better, and you are more educated, and you're smarter,

827
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: and you deserve it and you worked hard. And everyone

828
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 2: who's not here often Black Americans lazy, always asking for things,

829
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 2: don't rely on, you know, relying on other people to

830
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 2: give them what they need. That toxic mentality, and then

831
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 2: I know a lot of white people. You know, I've

832
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 2: grew up around them my whole life. I mean, not

833
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: that they're the endangerous pecies obviously their majority, but who

834
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: believed that that toxic mentality? And you really have got

835
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: to It takes work. You have got to actively rewire

836
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 2: your brain to look at a black family, to look

837
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: at a black girl in the second grade coming to

838
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 2: your school, and tell your brain, this person has great potential.

839
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 2: I don't need to make any assumptions about this person

840
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: not being ready for that or you know, being this

841
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 2: type of person because of the color of their skin.

842
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: And you have to acknowledge. You have got to see it.

843
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: You've got to admit that color changes the way you

844
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: perceive people. Forgive yourself, I guess, for having this toxic mentality,

845
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: and then commit yourself to doing your every day doing

846
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: the work of changing it. It's not going to be

847
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 2: an overnight change. It's not because it's not all people

848
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: out there with nooses running around in KKK robes that

849
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 2: is racism. But it is the intrinsic, systemic racism built

850
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 2: into the fabric of our life every day that truly

851
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: is killing and damaging people. And it's very, very important

852
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 2: and Yeah. The one thing I do want to say,

853
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: just to wrap up to the credit of the people

854
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: that I work with, is I do have a meeting

855
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: with the CEO next week along with a couple other people,

856
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: and we'll see what happens. But I want that to

857
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: be you know, for those who are listening work for corporation,

858
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 2: you're thinking about sending a similar email or speaking up

859
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: at a town hall or whatever, there is some hope,

860
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: you know. I'm walking into this meeting with an open mind,

861
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: and I genuinely believe that the people I work with

862
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: are great and the well meaning, and we have so

863
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,399
Speaker 2: much potential, and if it can't happen here, I kind

864
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: of feel like it can't happen anywhere. So I'm I'm

865
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 2: determined and I still have enough energy to try. But

866
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 2: I also recognize I'm after this. I can't keep doing that.

867
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 2: I can't you know, who knows how long I'll stay

868
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: at this company, But I can't go like I can't

869
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: go to another place and have to do this all

870
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 2: over again. The next job that I choose, where I

871
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 2: will take my talent, they will have a proven track

872
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: record of serving their black employees, lifting them up, and

873
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 2: I can't settle for anything less. And I think for

874
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 2: and not everyone has that position or aren't in that

875
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 2: position where they can choose. You know, you just take

876
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 2: the job that you need a paycheck, and lord, you

877
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 2: know I'm saying I can do that now. But because

878
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: I have a job, hopefully I'm in a position where

879
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: I can choose like that. And I believe when the

880
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 2: talent starts going to companies that are demonstrating their commitment

881
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 2: to racial issues and their commitment to inclusive hiring and

882
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 2: retainment and all those things and pay parody, that's a

883
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 2: clear message we can send because talent drives revenue, and

884
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 2: revenue is what talks. And exactly that's all I'm won't

885
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 2: say about that. Yeah, maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I shouldn't

886
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 2: end it with the bubba bubba gum. I just I

887
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 2: know when we talk about corporate refugees, and I just

888
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: feel like for the long term success of Black Americans

889
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: and for not just success to not just get a

890
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 2: job and get a paycheck, but to thrive to reach

891
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:47,280
Speaker 2: levels of success that haven't been attainable, we need these

892
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 2: companies to get it, and we need to get in

893
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 2: the boardroom now fast. It needs to happen so that

894
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 2: future generations don't have to work this hard. And just

895
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: because we're in the door does not mean that we've won.

896
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: And there's so much work that companies can do, and

897
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 2: I I they just have to get it. They just

898
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: have to freaking get it. And I hope this is it.

899
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 2: I hope this is it.

900
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then if they don't, don't be afraid to

901
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: start something. Here's the thing. Small business drives this country.

902
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: You know. Not everyone's going to be you know, Jeff

903
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: Bezos whatever, and that's okay. You might be a small

904
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: business that can hire three employees, but then another small

905
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: business another three. You know, almost fifty percent of all

906
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: employment in the United States it can be attributed to

907
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: small business. So you can make a big difference with

908
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: a small business. So knowing that you can create a

909
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: safe space for people like you, so don't discount that

910
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 1: as well.

911
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: I feel like the budget Nesta is the Wakanda businesses, right.

912
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: I mean it's not it's not easy, Jazz. It's not easy.

913
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,759
Speaker 2: It's not easy, but it's worth the work and no,

914
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: absolutely at least I think. So all right, well that

915
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: is your heavy, heavy, buzzworthy segment. Let's take a quick

916
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: break and come back with your questions.

917
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: So it's up a question, maybe question like singular, because

918
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: we haven't had a heavy, a long, buzz buzzworthy segment, segment.

919
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: What's you think one question?

920
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: Let's see, well, the first one's kind of a comp

921
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,080
Speaker 2: Let's start off with a compliment. You guys have been

922
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: so nice sending us so so so many questions. I

923
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 2: feel give a lot of new listeners to because other

924
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 2: we have I don't know, we've been tagged in more

925
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 2: podcast listicles than I can name, which is fabulous. Like,

926
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: we'll take all the free publicity you feel guilty talk

927
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: about our podcast, get some points. But thank you to

928
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 2: any new listeners welcome. Here's a message from an Instagram listener.

929
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 2: She says, I'm a longtime listener, kudos. While binging some

930
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: of your earlier shows, I came across a show where

931
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: Tiffany told a story of a man who planted a

932
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 2: farm of pecan trees. I think was it acorn tree, Tiffany, I.

933
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: Think it was palm trees. Keep keep telling the story

934
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: off sem trees.

935
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a very different type of tree. Okay, Tiffany

936
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: told the story of a man who planted a farm

937
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: of pecan trees. I think, knowing that he would never

938
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 2: reap the benefits, but instead of trees, palm trees. Okay,

939
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: he did it for his future generations. I have two

940
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 2: middle school boys, and I think about this story often

941
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: because I wasn't raised this way. I was raised with

942
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: the mindset I got mine, you need to get yours.

943
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: I keep trying to explain this concept to my family,

944
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: but I'm hit with what if the kids don't do

945
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: right by what is left for them? I want to

946
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,919
Speaker 2: play that part of the episode for my family since

947
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 2: it resonated so close to me. That was really speak

948
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 2: comment and that is such an important anecdote. So palm

949
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 2: tree is okay?

950
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought, well, because palm oil in Nigeria is

951
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,240
Speaker 1: one of the most it's like they call it liquid

952
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: gold because palm trees take almost like one hundred years

953
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 1: to reach full maturity before they can before they can

954
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: yield the fruit where you can get the palm oil from.

955
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: They use palm oil to cook. It's a it's a

956
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: it's an oil that it's very popular for cooking in Africa.

957
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: So that's why. So if you plant a palm tree.

958
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,480
Speaker 1: Now you're not going to be able to you're never

959
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 1: going to see in your lifetime that palm tree yield

960
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 1: the palm fruit that yields the palm oil. So for

961
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: my uncle to have a farm that was that was,

962
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, hundreds of trees deep. That means his great

963
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: likely great grandfather planted that knowing I am not going

964
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: to reap the rewards, but my grandson or my great grandson,

965
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: or my great great grandson or my great great granddaughter,

966
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: well in Nigeria's grandson unfortunately, but that they will reap

967
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 1: the rewards. And so yes, we have to think like

968
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: that that I always think, not just when it comes

969
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: to your family. I believe to who much is given,

970
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 1: much is required, and that in every blessing there is excess,

971
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: meaning that when you have something that comes to you

972
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: your intelligence, your looks, your position, your money, whatever that is,

973
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: it is meant for you to enjoy that blessing like

974
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: ooh yes I'm so cute, yes fabulous, I'm so smart, great,

975
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: I've got money, awesome, But there's excess in that blessing

976
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 1: that access should be set aside to help others. And

977
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 1: so I think if you keep that in mind. That's

978
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: how we keep blessings flowing. And the more you do that,

979
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: the more you're given. People always ask all the time,

980
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: like tivity, you know, how did you get here? I

981
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: mean literally ten years ago I was a preschool teacher

982
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: and now I run five businesses, one of the mix

983
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: seven figures a month. That's crazy how And honestly, I

984
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: attribute a lot of that to sticking to that in

985
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: every blessing there's excess. So I'm very mindful of managing

986
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: that X and really trying to navigate living a life

987
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: of service. And I think as you do more mores

988
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 1: given than you do more and mores given, and you

989
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: do more and mores given. So yes, what do you

990
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: speak to your family? Yeah?

991
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 2: What do you say to her to what her family

992
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 2: is saying in terms of like, well, what if the

993
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: kids don't do right by what we leave for them?

994
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 1: And so one of the things you have to do

995
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: along with, you know, the leaving of the things for

996
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: the kids, is to talk to your children. So my

997
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 1: father didn't just like leave us with like, you know,

998
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: whatever financial things that he gave us as far as

999
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: like paying for college and things like that, but we

1000
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: had regular talks We had family meetings every single week

1001
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,720
Speaker 1: where we talked about grades and chores, but we also

1002
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: talked about finances and the families finances, so we were

1003
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: really those things were ingrained in us. And so you

1004
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: can't help how your kids turn out, but you can't

1005
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: help what you put in. And so that's all I

1006
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: can say is that, like, there's no guarantee for anything.

1007
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: You know, we might not even be here here tomorrow.

1008
00:51:58,160 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 1: There might be a meteor. Remember they said there was

1009
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: bees coming this way. We were like, what now?

1010
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: How about a killer mistake? Is that the saying I

1011
00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 2: didn't google it?

1012
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: So with all that said, you know, you do your

1013
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: best by pouring into them regularly, and so you know

1014
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: good good seeds, beer, good fruit. So I'll just say

1015
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: that that there's no way to know for sure, but

1016
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: it's still better to pour in than not to.

1017
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 2: That's beautiful and I think it's very very important. This

1018
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: is a mentality This is a mentality shift for I mean,

1019
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: I'm speaking for my family, my black my black side.

1020
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: That sounds stupid, but whatever, my dad's family. There is

1021
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: this like there is this this lack of planning for

1022
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: the future because you're spending so much of your mental bandwidth,

1023
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 2: trying to get through today, trying to pay this week's

1024
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: this week's bills, next week's bills. You know, paycheck to paycheck.

1025
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: That's the classic definition of paycheck to paycheck. And we

1026
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 2: need to get to a place where we can think

1027
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 2: long term for our children and and also see the

1028
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 2: value in planting seas now and understanding how you know,

1029
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 2: it's not just it's not just about going and getting

1030
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 2: your minimum wage or getting your part time job or

1031
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: whatever and earning your hourly wage. We have to educate people,

1032
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: especially Black Americans, and it's your family. Educate your family.

1033
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 2: If you know something about building wealth, how to invest,

1034
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 2: the importance of not trying to say home ownership is

1035
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 2: the best way to build wealth, but it is certainly

1036
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 2: an important way and a huge way to build wealth,

1037
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: generational wealth in this country. Life insurance, even we talked

1038
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 2: about life insurance and how that is not just about

1039
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 2: I mean that literally is ensuring that your heirs are

1040
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 2: taken care of, your children. Whoever you have doesn't have

1041
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 2: to be your child. It can be a charity, it

1042
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: can be a God's god daughter, a god son. It

1043
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: can be you know, a friend, whoever you want to

1044
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,520
Speaker 2: leave your you know, make your beneficiary. But these are

1045
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: really I mean, this is how we chip away, chip

1046
00:53:56,160 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 2: away at not just income inequality, but general rational wealth inequality.

1047
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: And I think about that all the time, Like what

1048
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 2: am I building? Do I have enough to to reach

1049
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 2: beyond just you know, my my son, Like could I

1050
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: create something that my family, my children's children's children's children's

1051
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 2: could benefit from. I mean, that would be a beautiful thing.

1052
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 2: It's just a it's a big leap for especially if

1053
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 2: you come up in a family where just getting through

1054
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: today is an act of you know, is you consider

1055
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: that to be a blessing? We need to just aim higher.

1056
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: Yes, just remind him, like Dame Dad you know Dame Dash. Well,

1057
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if you don't, because you know Mandy

1058
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: sometimes you'd be surprised me. You don't know no millennial things.

1059
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: So Dame Dash was the manager of jay Z. Do

1060
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah?

1061
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 2: Is he the yes? Uh huh. I'm just gonna say

1062
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 2: yes before I say anything else. Makes me sound stupid, now.

1063
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: No, So Dame Dash manager of jay Z. He was.

1064
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: He's kind of like the wild boy of hip hop. Anyway.

1065
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 1: He he was on a podcast and he said, I

1066
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: wish these young men. He didn't say young men, but

1067
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: that's what I'm gonna say. I wish these young men

1068
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: and just really young people out here understood the purpose

1069
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Speaker 1: of work. The purpose of work is to own, it

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00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,840
Speaker 1: was so eloquently said, because we forget you're not just

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00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: supposed to be working for work's sake. Ownership equals wealth.

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Speaker 1: You are supposed to work, Yeah yeah, pay your belt,

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00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: that's cool. Yeah yeah, go out and have fun, that's cool.

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Speaker 1: But you were supposed to work to set aside money

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00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: so you can save. And then you save so you

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00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: can own. Whether it's it's real estate, whether it's it's bonds,

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Speaker 1: whether it's stocks, whether it's businesses, whether it's it's rights

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Speaker 1: to a book or rights to your music. The purpose

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Speaker 1: of work is to own. If you are not working

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00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 1: toward ownership, you will always work because eventually the things

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00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: that you own, this is the goal. You want to

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00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: put them to work for you so they can replace

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00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: you working. So you work to own. You might own

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00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: ten properties and all of a sudden, the rent from

1085
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: those properties can replace your income, and you can you

1086
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: can continue to work at your regular job or not,

1087
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: or you work work, work, you start a business, all

1088
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the business can replace the income from

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00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: from your from your regular job. So just reminding yourself

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00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: that that the purpose of work is to own, so

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00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,240
Speaker 1: the things that you own can put you out of work.

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Speaker 2: I love that. That's a way more eloquent way of

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00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: saying it than my Olshpiel girls stock.

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Speaker 1: I started from Dame Dash, girl, I stowed it up

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00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:25,720
Speaker 1: from Dame.

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Speaker 2: Dash, same dash. But that's what I was saying. Well,

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Speaker 2: thank you for your comment. It was sort of a

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00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 2: comments last question, but it's a really meaningful anecdote, especially

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00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 2: in light of what's happening today. We've got to be

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00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 2: helping teach generational wealth to to our families and the

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00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: importance of that. I'm going to inherit my dad's sock drawer,

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00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: and who knows what I'm going to find in there,

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00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 2: a lot of world quarters, I imagine, bless his heart. Okay,

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00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: he's a lost generation. All right, Okay, cool, Well, thank

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00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: you for your questions again. Hit us up on Instagram

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00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: if you go to brand ambishenpodcat ask fund us in

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00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,240
Speaker 2: the gram where you can email us at Brandon Mission

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00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:04,800
Speaker 2: Podcast at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: Fuck em so now It's time to boost a break

1110
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: for the ba Family new tune. Are you gonna boost?

1111
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: Are you gonna break? What you're gonna do? Mandy Well,

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00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 1: I was flat at the end, but what else?

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00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 2: I think you might still owe a cut to Mickey

1114
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: Bounce like it's a little close. They're gonna have to

1115
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: settle that in court we didn't do. I'm gonna do

1116
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 2: a boost. I'm gonna do a boost. So I feel,

1117
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like it's just I feel. I

1118
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: don't know, I feel some type of way about this,

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00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: But I never knew that my alma mater hads And

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Speaker 2: I don't know why. I mean, I guess you're just

1121
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 2: living in Georgia growing up. You just have to you

1122
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 2: just have to, you know, not look at things too deeply,

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00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: just to get through the damn day because there is

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00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: so much intrinsing racism and in that state. Bless bless

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Speaker 2: their hearts and all of their hearts. But anyway, I

1126
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: went to the University of Georgia, and there are Hella

1127
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: buildings on that campus that are named for people who

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Speaker 2: own slaves, who are white supremacists, etc. My journalism school,

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Speaker 2: I found out not too long ago thanks to some

1130
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: high school students in Atlanta who started their own petition

1131
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: to get their high school renamed because it was named

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Speaker 2: for the same man that my journalism school was named.

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Speaker 2: So I have to give the youth credit. They inspired

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Speaker 2: someone on my campus to speak out about the name

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Speaker 2: of our journalism school, and I have hopped right onto that. Well,

1136
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: I was dragged onto the bandwagon. But I'm on this

1137
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,640
Speaker 2: task force now that we were working very hard to

1138
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Speaker 2: get the attention of the board of regents in our

1139
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Speaker 2: state to get this college renamed at a minimum, this college,

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Speaker 2: and not just drop the name of the school and

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00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: just call it the School of Journalism, but to in

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Speaker 2: place of the name that we have now, which is

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Speaker 2: it's the school's name for Henry W. Grady, who was

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Speaker 2: a white supremacist but a famous He had a famous

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00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 2: newspaper called the Atlantic Constitution, which today is the Atlanta

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00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: Journal Constitution. But he was a big deal. I see

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00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 2: why his contributions to journalism were recognized by naming him

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00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 2: for this building. However, he wanted to oppress the black

1149
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 2: race and talked about, of course, how white Americans were superior,

1150
00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 2: and gave speeches on this, and I mean in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Do we really want to have a school in themed

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00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,040
Speaker 2: after him? I sure don't want to. I'm embarrassed. I'm

1153
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:24,760
Speaker 2: embarrassed that I didn't know this sooner. So we've got

1154
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: a petition, change dot org and I always want to

1155
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: boost the task force putting the putting the petition together,

1156
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 2: and our next steps are to rally if we need to.

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00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 2: I'm hoping we don't need to. I'm hoping that people

1158
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 2: help us make enough noise on social media that the

1159
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: pressure is boiling, and that the university and the border

1160
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 2: regions will just give us what we want and rename

1161
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: the school, because why just do it? It's easy, it's simple.

1162
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 2: It's a show of support and solidarity. But we are

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Speaker 2: working very hard, and I'm going to post the link

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00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 2: in our show notes. It's changed dot org slash rename Grady.

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01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 2: You don't have to have gone to my school. I

1166
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Speaker 2: know y'all probably never heard of it, but please go

1167
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 2: and sign the petition because we're trying to get to

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01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,480
Speaker 2: at least ten thousand signatures this week. I don't I

1169
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: think we're at eight thousand already. We're catching up, and

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01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: I'm going to be tweeting and sharing on Instagram and

1171
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: if y'all can retweet, if you can share my Insta

1172
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 2: tag people that you may know in George or anybody,

1173
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 2: so that we can get more momentum behind this movement.

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Speaker 2: I really I feel this is a small contribution that

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01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 2: I can make, and it's a small It's sort of

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Speaker 2: like I talked about us making an impact in our

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Speaker 2: communities and our families, and this journalism school is my family.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've treated them like my family for so long,

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01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 2: and I think it's time for us to have a

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Speaker 2: talk y'all, like a little family meeting about the name

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Speaker 2: of our college and get it right. But we can't

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Speaker 2: do it without y'all support. I am really it's trouble.

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Speaker 2: And you know what I talked about, like we kind

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01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 2: of forget the microaggressions that we've encountered over the years,

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01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,480
Speaker 2: and it's it's bringing me back to all the things

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01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: that happened to me while I was at UGA and

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Speaker 2: talking to my brother about his experience there and how

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Speaker 2: sort of like how it just resentful he is about

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Speaker 2: his experience. In some ways, there is a lot of

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Speaker 2: systemic racism in Georgia and even at the university that

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Speaker 2: I come from that I that I was educated by,

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01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 2: and we have unfortunately, we have to break through to

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Speaker 2: again the people in power to get them to make

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Speaker 2: this change. So help me be the squeaky wheel. Help

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Speaker 2: us get it out there. Check out my insta, check

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Speaker 2: out on Twitter Mandy wood Druff or my Instagram is

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Speaker 2: at Mandy money and I can really I oh, thank

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Speaker 2: you Mandy with an eye. Hope my aunt is listening.

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Speaker 2: It's with an eye yeah, and thank y'all in advance.

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Speaker 2: And I will continue to have my son provide free

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Speaker 2: advertising for our cause.

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Speaker 1: And he is so doorable. I was like, look at

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Speaker 1: him in his summer gear. Yes, oh you saw it? Cool?

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Speaker 2: He gets way more likes than anything else I post.

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01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: So well, yeah, yeah, babies always do because he's adorable. Yeah,

1206
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: those curls.

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Speaker 2: It's a trick.

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Speaker 1: So I am going to booz. So I had a

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Speaker 1: really good like leadership lesson. Usually we've been like in business,

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01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: there's always you can always do better. So we've just

1211
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: been struggling with like kind of like new direction and

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01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: how fast to grow and what ways to grow and

1213
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: just like how much to spend, how little to spend. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's not been easy. It has not been easy. So

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: as we struggled with I mean, I tried all the

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01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:34,200
Speaker 1: tools that I knew. How So finally I reached out

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Speaker 1: to a friend and she said, hey, you know, one

1218
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Speaker 1: of our other mutual friends just brought on a business coach,

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01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: like a high level business coach. And I was like, huh.

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Speaker 1: So I called our mutual friend and she was like,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he's amazing, this business coach. It's not

1222
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 1: just Sam. He's got a whole team. He's not cheap. Girl.

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01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, So my business partner and I

1224
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Speaker 1: met with the coach. He was more amazing, and honestly

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Speaker 1: I anticipated. We had two kind of preliminary calls that

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01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 1: were like an hour and some change each and those

1227
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Speaker 1: were transformative. And so you know, his price was natty.

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Speaker 1: Let's just say you could get two really nice expensive

1229
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,840
Speaker 1: cars for what he costs for two months. And well,

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Speaker 1: I'll just say it's seventy thousand dollars for two months,

1231
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: because you know me and my numbers don't.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you run a business, it's not like Tiffany

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01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 2: is paying. Oh you're your pocket, right, I mean, you

1234
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 2: can rune that all for whatever Your phone seven biggures

1235
01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:30,080
Speaker 2: you make money. We heard you tell us.

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Speaker 1: So, but still that's a lot of money, you know,

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Speaker 1: and you know, but I'll say this, We've tried everything,

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01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: and so we had our first meeting on Friday and

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01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: it was my business partner, I and his team and

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Speaker 1: it was so great. What I really love is that

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01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: he's equal parts the soft skills and equal parts like

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01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: the hard thing. So he's got like a financial expert

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01:03:52,600 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: on his team that's going through our books. He's got

1244
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 1: a marketing digital marketing expert that's going to be going

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01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: through all of our campaigns and our spending. He also

1246
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: has hr expert to make sure everyone on the team

1247
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: is like it's working in their genius zone, is actually happy.

1248
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: You know that he's working with myself and my business partner.

1249
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: We're meeting with him weekly individually and joint and really

1250
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: just working on are we working in spaces that bring

1251
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: us energy and what we can do to shift to

1252
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: make sure we're all working happily. It is so amazing.

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01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 1: The it's just so amazing. And when I tell you already,

1254
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: he already said that you'll make your money back, honestly, honestly,

1255
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,280
Speaker 1: with some of the changes we'll make that money back

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01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: in like two or three days. Hands down, just a

1257
01:04:34,560 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: few tweaks. I'm like, in two or three days, we'll

1258
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Speaker 1: see that money back. So it was worth its weight

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01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: in gold. So I just share that because in all things,

1260
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: you might find yourself stuck, and you might find that

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Speaker 1: you've done all that you know how to do, and

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01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: so there is no harm or shame in asking for help,

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01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: big or small, because sometimes that is the thing. Because

1264
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 1: I kept telling myself, how do I not know how

1265
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: to fix it? And I'm like, well no, I finally

1266
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: realize that what I was supposed to do is ask

1267
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: for help. It was not meant for me to fix it.

1268
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: Was meant for me to find an outside tool to

1269
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 1: come in to help fix this issue. So yeah, honestly,

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01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm super excited. My business partner is super excited, the

1271
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 1: team is excited, and it just, yeah, I'm proud of

1272
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: myself for like reaching out and asking for help and like,

1273
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: you know, paying for help because sometimes, you know, especially

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01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: as a new entrepreneur, you don't have any money, so

1275
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: everything seems like a scam. But as you start to

1276
01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: lean into business a little more, you grow to understand

1277
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 1: that some things cost nothing and they're amazing. Some things

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Speaker 1: cost a little and they're amazing, and some thing's called

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Speaker 1: a hell of a lot of money and they're amazing.

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Speaker 1: And being able to vet the difference, like I said,

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Speaker 1: worth its weight and goal, we will make that money

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Speaker 1: back in two or three days max. So yeah, so

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Speaker 1: just like boosting, like my business coach, his name is Zion,

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Speaker 1: and we did this last week. I talked about a

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Speaker 1: Instagram Maybe I'll make this like a thing, an Instagram

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Speaker 1: account that I think we could all use for some musa.

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Speaker 1: So I told you guys about wordy dot talk on IG.

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Speaker 1: This time, I think I want you guys to follow

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Speaker 1: Tony Baker comedy. Huh freaking larious if you need a

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Speaker 1: reprieve from all that is happening. He is hilarious. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he is a black comedian and he I just he's hilarious.

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Speaker 1: So he needs yourself a giggle. Now he does post others.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's very socially conscious, so you're gonna see

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Speaker 1: some black lives matter. But in betwixt in between, you

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Speaker 1: were going to get your GIGGLEA on Tony Baker Comedy

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Speaker 1: on IG.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, I want to respond to your first point,

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Speaker 2: but you just made another one. Go ahead, go ahead,

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Speaker 2: And I love that you're doing business coaching. And I

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Speaker 2: feel like if I were an employee at the Budgetista,

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Speaker 2: I would be so excited and so motivated because I mean,

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Speaker 2: I feel like the way that you're feeling trickles down

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Speaker 2: to your employees. And if you're feeling like, you know,

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01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,080
Speaker 2: you're you're stymied or whatever, you're not happy with certain things,

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01:06:55,560 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: they're probably feeling that too, and it's nice to know

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Speaker 2: that they were. I would say, if I were you,

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Speaker 2: look at Tiffany. She is she is humble enough to

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Speaker 2: admit when she needs help, and she also is not

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Speaker 2: just doing this for herself, but it's also for the company.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, absolutely, I mean this is you wouldn't do

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Speaker 2: open heart surgery on your own body, right, And I think,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this just sounds like a really smart business decision,

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Speaker 2: and it's also something that I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: companies can be doing. This is why consultants are important.

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Speaker 2: I know that everyone thinks of consultants like, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: a scam, but genuinely having a fresh pair of eyes

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Speaker 2: on the way you've been doing her every day is

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Speaker 2: so I mean, I had. One of one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite professional relationships was a former content director from a

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Speaker 2: company that we acquired who was kept on as a

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Speaker 2: consultant and she literally just became my coach for six months.

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Speaker 2: And just having someone else to talk to at your

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Speaker 2: level who's not someone that reports to you or something

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Speaker 2: like that, or there's you know, or a friend in

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Speaker 2: your company that you know, it's just it's going to

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Speaker 2: be I'm excited, and I'm also excited for you to

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Speaker 2: share the advice that you get from this person so

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Speaker 2: we can get it full free at friend.

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Speaker 1: Ambitions and I certainly will. Yes, absolutely, I would say

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Speaker 1: first things first, just one of the things that helped

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Speaker 1: me is identify. He asked us to identify the things

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Speaker 1: that you do that give you energy, like you know

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Speaker 1: for the business, and the things that you do that

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Speaker 1: take away energy. That was for me that was life changing.

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Speaker 1: I was like, huh, what are the parts that I

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Speaker 1: really like? And I didn't And it made me realize

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Speaker 1: that I'm gonna make a huge shift in change already.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let the team know before I let y'all know,

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Speaker 1: so because you know, be listening like what like ooh,

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Speaker 1: tea girl, I will do it at team meeting. But

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Speaker 1: so she's like Jotna Lie is on our team. She

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Speaker 1: works for, works for, works with us. So yeah, it

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Speaker 1: made me realize, huh wow, when I started to really

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Speaker 1: think about the things that gave me energy and the

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Speaker 1: things that took away energy, and it made me realize

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Speaker 1: that I need to be in a different position. So

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Speaker 1: that's something I'll leave you with that. That was a huge, huge,

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Speaker 1: So so yeah, that was awesome.

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Speaker 2: And I love that his name is Zion. I know

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Speaker 2: that sounds biblical and powerful.

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Speaker 1: I know, because that doesn't Zion I mean like Paradise

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Speaker 1: or like the Promised Land donuts.

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Speaker 2: I don't really not really religious, but it sounds and.

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Speaker 1: Like Rastafarian religion. That's what That's what I remember. Mourn Hill,

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Speaker 1: she had that song and the joy of my world

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Speaker 1: is in Zion. Her son. She named her son Zion.

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Speaker 2: It's like a lot of hospitals are named Mount Zion.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's like I say, it's powerful.

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Speaker 1: It is powerful.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Zion is coming to the Budgeonesea wawanda wakanda, yes,

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Speaker 2: oof okay ooof well all right, well I'm again grateful

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Speaker 2: for this hour that I get to spend with you

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Speaker 2: every week hour and a half because you know we

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Speaker 2: we uh chit chat before the show. But yeah, thank you,

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Speaker 2: and thank you for continuing to share your stories. Tiff. No,

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Speaker 2: you have been doing it for so long, and I

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Speaker 2: feel like I have been working for so long and

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Speaker 2: you feel like you're working. Uh well, it's like people

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Speaker 2: recognizing your value is never too late, I feel like,

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Speaker 2: and even though it seems like people may be recognizing

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Speaker 2: the value now because it's trendy or it's mainstream now

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Speaker 2: or whatever, and oh, we need to align ourselves with

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01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: people like the budget Neista, or hey, we want to

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Speaker 2: promote people like Bandy. I mean, I'm gonna take that promotion.

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Speaker 2: That's okay, because we want to elevate women like take

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Speaker 2: it whatever, like they're here, they're wanting to give, ask

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Speaker 2: and take it. And don't feel guilty about that because

1378
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 2: ultimately that is the goal, right for each other and

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Speaker 2: everyone to be lifted up and amplified. And I hope

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Speaker 2: this continues. And one last thing I will say to

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Speaker 2: your point about the comedian that you mentioned, I love

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01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 2: that he addresses black lives matter but then also makes

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01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 2: you laugh. We have got to laugh yes, we do.

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Speaker 2: We have got to what do you say, wusaw? We

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01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 2: have got to woo saw. You have to woo saw

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Speaker 2: and then get back at it. I made a rule

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Speaker 2: for myself that if the group chat goes a day

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Speaker 2: or two without mentioning anything happening with BLM, I'll bring

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Speaker 2: it back, just because I don't want people to forget

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Speaker 2: and I don't want people to get too comfortable with uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, ignoring it again, because that is very important.

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Speaker 2: But I also you have to allow yourself some levity.

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Speaker 1: And yes, there is so much joy to be had.

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Speaker 2: There is, there is, there's a lot of ship. There

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01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 2: always has been a lot of shit. We will get

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Speaker 2: through this, we always do. But you've got to give

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Speaker 2: yourself some grace, have a have a giggle. I hope this,

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01:11:22,960 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 2: I hope this show is a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: reprieve for you. Yeah, keep it, just keep trying, just try,

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Speaker 2: just try, and keep saying we're all doing our very best.

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Speaker 1: Hmm.

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Speaker 2: I'm done now.

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Speaker 1: Ask for you.

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Speaker 2: Love you girl, Oh, I love you too.

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Speaker 1: Virtual hugs you already know someone to me the other

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Speaker 1: day and she was like, so, I know you don't

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01:11:44,080 --> 01:11:48,680
Speaker 1: like huggs, but I'm saying you want anyway. If you're

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01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: O G listener, you know I'm not really a huggy person,

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01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: but Mandy insists upon it. I'm like, okay, girl.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to actually well, I feel like we've

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,800
Speaker 2: been socially distanced for a few years now from each other.

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01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 2: I know, want To't we ever going to see each

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Speaker 2: other again?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we will, We will see you.

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Speaker 2: Gotta meet my baby.

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Speaker 1: He would, I know.