1 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to this week's episode of a Cowboy Life, the 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: storytelling podcast brought to you by a Smoothie King blending 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: goodness to fuel your greatness. I'm Brady Tinker. This week 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: we bring you part two of Ed Jones's story about 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: being a Dallas Cowboy during what was, for players, a 6 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: golden age for professional football. The Cowboys had a string 7 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: of twenty straight winning seasons, and Ed Jones was right 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: in the middle of them. Only at the beginning some 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: people thought, well, quote he was too tall for football. 10 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:43,600 Speaker 1: Please enjoy this wonderful story about Ed Jones. Coach called 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 1: me in and said, you might not lack this, but 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to move you to the left end. 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: I call my coach, get him as a coach. You're 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: not gonna belee what's going on here. They're moving me 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: to left end in a four point stance that I've 16 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: never played other than goal line defense. Key in two 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: sometime three people which can take away you aggressive this. 18 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: You're not careful. You reading too much, he said, Ed. 19 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: You're prepared to do anything to play any position they 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: put you at. He said, they win there. They wouldn't 21 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: put you somewhere they didn't think you could play it. 22 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 1: That's all I had to you. Ed two tall Jones, 23 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: you will remember, was raised in the middle of Tennessee 24 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: on a farm by Jack and Abbey Jones. He was 25 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: one of eight kids who helped on the farm. He 26 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: and his siblings got along and had each other's backs. 27 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: Ed was raised in a team atmosphere. So if it's 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: good for the team, well quote, that's all I had 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: to hear. I knew the right position for me in 30 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: order for that defensive worked with at that left defensive end. 31 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 1: The only thing I was concerned with was them getting 32 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: my legs because back then the chop block was leaked, 33 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: which I don't think should have ever been legal when 34 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: I'd watched films and see the number of injurit that 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: it calls where God can post you and someone can 36 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: come wipe you out. Chop blocking was made illegal and 37 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: professional football amazingly just in two thousand and sixteen, some 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: thirty six years after college football outlawed it. A chop 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,359 Speaker 1: block is when a man is engaged, usually a really 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: large football playing man, with another player, usually also a 41 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: larger man. Envisioned them now face to face, pushing and 42 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: shoving each other, and then a second man from the 43 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: offense dives in low at the legs of the defender 44 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 1: who's already engaged in that standing position. You can hear 45 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: the knees cracking, now, can't you. That is a chop block. 46 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: And at six ft nine inches tall, when Ed Jones 47 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: was chop block, well, it was like someone cutting down 48 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: a tree. My job was to keep block us off 49 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: the linebackers. That's why Dallas linebackers had to be good 50 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: tactless ali Rod Jordan at his they had some of 51 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: the best technique at tackling. If you kept those lambing 52 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: off Leroy, He's gonna make the place. Bob Brune is 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: the same way. Leroy Jordan retired as the second leading 54 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: tackler in Cowboys history, and he had twenty five interceptions 55 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: in eighteen fumble recoveries to boot. He was undersized and 56 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: he was amazing. He played in the Cowboys first Super 57 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: Bowl victory over Miami in nineteen seventy two. Bob Bruning 58 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: is who Leroy Jordan replaced in the tackles list for 59 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: that number two spot, and both men got opportunities to 60 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: make tackles over and over, and they handled them with 61 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: great a plume. That was your role. That's the role 62 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: you had to play. Yeah, so it did. It didn't 63 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: didn't bother me tying these guys up, knowing that these 64 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: guys come and gonna make the place. All I want 65 00:03:48,120 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: to do was win. Boxing and golf. Those are individual sports. Football. 66 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: In a football game, you and fifty one of your 67 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: teammates make plays. It's a team game. Teams win, individuals 68 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 1: do not. Pat two May, Larry Cole, Jethro Pugh, Bob 69 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: Lily part of Doomsday one that I grew up loving. 70 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: All those guys were nice to me. Took Harve and 71 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: I and Bill Gregory under that wings. No one we 72 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,679 Speaker 1: were there to take that job. In fact, Bob Lily 73 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,279 Speaker 1: would have Harve and I set next to him on 74 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: both side watching films, teaching us how to pick out 75 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 1: an opponent stripth in weaknesses. Bob Lily is known as 76 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: mister Cowboy. He was the main man in the dreaded 77 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: Doomsday defense, and just like two Tall, he was asked 78 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 1: to change positions. Drafted as a defensive end from TCU, 79 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: he was moved to defensive tackle in nineteen sixty three, 80 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: his third year, another Landry move that worked out well perfectly. 81 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: Lily earned thirteen Pro Bowl invitations and was all Pro 82 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: nine of them. He's in the Ring of Honor and 83 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. He showed his teammates what it 84 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,839 Speaker 1: took to win every single day. Hey ed, what happened 85 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: in that film room? And if the funny story bobbed you. 86 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 1: Tobacco his cup with always on his right side, I'm 87 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: sitting on the right side. He wasn't always accurate. He 88 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: missed a couple lot and it hit my feet and 89 00:05:24,600 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: I said, Okay, now, what am I gonna say that, 90 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 1: mister cowboy. Nothing? So Harved was never late because coach 91 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: Dalton would freeze you out. It was Cole in those 92 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: meeting rooms. So Harvard come running that last minute with 93 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: a sweat zone. So I made shoot. I beat Harvey 94 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: and said, on the left side. In football and in life, 95 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 1: strategy is everything. So the leaders of the Doomsday defense, 96 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 1: when you arrived to help pave your way to taking 97 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: their jobs. I never forgot that. That's why when Dallas 98 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: drafted Jeff Cola, Bethea, all those guys, I treated them 99 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: the same way. Here is long time Cowboys great defensive 100 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: end Jim Jeff Cooke. When I came in, him and 101 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: Harvey Martin and the Randy White took me under their wings. 102 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: They made sure that I understood the increases to the 103 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: flex defense. I was there to eventually take one of 104 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: their jobs. They made sure that I learned how to 105 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: be a Dallas Cowboy and what it meant to be 106 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboy defensive end. Jim Jeff Coote played twelve 107 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: years with the Cowboys and was another in a long 108 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: line of first round picks that were key links in 109 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,799 Speaker 1: the chain of winning for Tom Landry and then Jimmy 110 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: Woson's Cowboys quote, you're winning. That's why Landry wanted players 111 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: with character, good work ethics, team players. It's a pretty 112 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: consistent theme from the nineteen sixties through the Johnson era. 113 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: Team players. And guess what during those times, all five 114 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: dollars Cowboys Super Bowls were one back to two Tall 115 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: and Coach Landry, you'd be hard, yes, and I'm glad 116 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: it was. Football is a very tough sport, but you 117 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: still got to find a way to have fun with it. 118 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: And on the way I know you can have fun 119 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: with it is to work very hard, prepare yourself preparation 120 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: to where and have each other's back. You don't want 121 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: to let yourself down by not having good work ethics 122 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: or the guy makes to you. Now, if you're prepared 123 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: like that, first of all, you're gonna win more than 124 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: you're gonna lose. Then the long term, he said, if 125 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: you do what I tell you to do, we will 126 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: be successful every year, and we were for twelve of 127 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: my fourteen years. We hate the playoffs. So how do 128 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 1: you argue with that record? You don't. And those who 129 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: played in the flex for coach Landry and all of 130 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: his great assistant coaches never argued the point. What do 131 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: you hear from most of his former players is about 132 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: his great mind and their success. And by the way, 133 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 1: that familiar voice is Randy White, number fifty four, was 134 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: a nine time Pro bowler. In seven of those years 135 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: he was All Pro. He won a Super Bowl and 136 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: is in the Ring of Honor and the Pro Football 137 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,839 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Back to ed now, you can have 138 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: fun while playing the game, a game that's very tough 139 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: because when fans look at us, all they see is 140 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: a name, uniform and a number. They don't see the 141 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: broken ribs hype extended knees, separated shoulders, broken fingers. They 142 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: don't see that. But you still got to find a 143 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: way to have fun doing what you love to do 144 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: and how to be successful. That it now, if you 145 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 1: didn't buy into it, won a coach. Your favorite line was, 146 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, I know what you capable of. I don't 147 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: compare you to anybody else, but if you're not doing 148 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: your job, I'm going to send you to Buffalo. During 149 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: that time, you didn't want to go to Buffalo. They 150 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: weren't winning, the weather was nasty. Who in the entirety 151 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: of nineteen seventies the Bills played in the playoffs once 152 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: and lost by eighteen points to the Steelers, and it 153 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: was cold burr. Hey, Randy, you got to the Cowboys 154 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy five and Ed Jones was already there. 155 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: What was your first impression of two tall Oh, I 156 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: never played on a team with a guy that was 157 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: six foot nine. Nobody the size of Ed Jones. He 158 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: was a freaky saying that you couldn't compare him to nobody. Well, 159 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: when I laid I was gonna be honest with you, 160 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: I have never seen anything six to nine in that 161 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: athletic and the things that he could do on a 162 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: football field where phenomenal that height normally doesn't give you 163 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,679 Speaker 1: the leverage to play defensive end because you have to 164 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: have serious power. Ed was very athletic and powerful. He 165 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: was a freak of nature, faster than you could imagine. 166 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: Just how fast was he? Hollywood Henderson. I lost a 167 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars to him. I was trying to give him 168 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: a five yard head start and a hundred yard dad 169 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: he talked to me in the ten. I thought maybe 170 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: I could catch him. How much did that tall man 171 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: beat you by? Thomas? He beat me by ten six 172 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: ft nine inches tall and ran like a deer. And 173 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 1: by the way, that new voice is Thomas Hollywood Henderson, 174 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: the linebacker who played for the Cowboys from nineteen seventy 175 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: five to nineteen seventy nine. Another first round draft pick 176 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: that could run and had a mean streak. And while 177 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: he fought his own personal demons, Thomas still managed to 178 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: win a Super Bowl with the Cowboys. And by the way, 179 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: the Texas State lottery ed well. We went to Super 180 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: Bowl and seventy five. My second year, we lost pit 181 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: We were rebuilding team. We were young and well coached. 182 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: We had twelve rookies on that team they called the 183 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: Dirt a dozen. The Cowboys Dirty Dozen consisted of twelve 184 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: players from the college draft that made the team. Pair 185 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: them with the nine rookies that made the team the 186 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: year before, and it's hard to argue they were a 187 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: rebuilding team twenty one kids. And then they went to 188 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl to play the Mighty Steelers, who had 189 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 1: won it the year before, and the Cowboys did lose, 190 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: and Ed wasn't used to losing. I came from a 191 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,559 Speaker 1: winning program. I only lost two games during my college career. 192 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: We won a Division two championship twice. After not winning 193 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: the championship till another two years, I thought that was 194 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: a bad feeling, a bad taste in my mouth. But 195 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: to go to the Super Bowl and lose, Oh my good. 196 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: You about somebody who couldn't wait until it training kemp started. 197 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: I didn't enjoy that offseason at all. Kept playing plays back, 198 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: kept trying to play plays back. What if what if 199 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: doesn't get you overwhere? You have to have to make 200 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: sure that that never happened again. But I could not 201 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: wait to hit training. Kept again that next year to 202 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: win it, losing to Pittsburgh the way that hurt us 203 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: and losing the way we did by four points, and 204 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: we had the ball driving on him and stop back 205 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: one most over games. So that was a bit of 206 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: taste in my mind. Super Bowl number ten Dallas versus Pittsburgh, 207 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: the steel Curtain versus Doomsday, two Starbock versus Bradshaw, Landry 208 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: versus Nole. The Steelers sacked Rodgers seven times and forced 209 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: him into an uncharacteristic three interceptions, plus the Steelers blocked 210 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: a field goal for a safety, but a ten to 211 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: seven halftime lead turned into a twenty one to ten 212 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: Steelers lead late in the fourth quarter. Final score twenty 213 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: one seventeen Steelers over the rebuilding Cowboys. But they still 214 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: had Staubach. Roger wasn't We had several leaders on that team, 215 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: but he wasn't for the whole team, the big vocal leader. 216 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 1: But he was a leader by example. And to see 217 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 1: Roger his work ethics and what he bought every day 218 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: at practice and in games, you couldn't have but notice 219 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: it and try and match that. That was more important 220 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: to me watching his work ethics then coming to me 221 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: with the motivation to speech to something. Roger Staubach Captain 222 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: America won a Heisman Trophy and did a tour of 223 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: duty in Vietnam before joining the Cowboys in nineteen sixty nine. 224 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 1: He wasn't a kid. He was one of America's teams 225 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: many great leaders. He played in five Super Bowls and 226 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: is in the Ring of Honor and the Pro Football 227 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and his teammates loved having him as 228 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: their quarterback, especially two years later in Super Bowl twelve. 229 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: Here's Hollywood Henderson Super Bowls. Well, we could have beat anybody, anybody. 230 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: We jumped on them early and they were just playing 231 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 1: up hill the entire game because Diver had a good team. 232 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: They had a very good team, but they didn't look 233 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: nothing like that had looked on film doing that game. 234 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 1: And we were having fun. We were having fun. We 235 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: were really good. And like I said, a lot of 236 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 1: those same guys won that team that lost that Super 237 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: Bowl seven to five, and we're determined that that wasn't 238 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: going to happen again. With twenty one rookies or second 239 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: year players on the Super Bowl ten team that lost 240 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: for the Steelers, well, they were trying to be at 241 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: the Cinderella team that won the Super Bowl, and they 242 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: almost pulled it off. But this team for Super Bowl 243 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: twelve was now mature, ready and talented across the board. 244 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: The seventy seven Super Bowl was won by a great 245 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Cowboy team against a former Cowboys quarterback and an old friend. 246 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: Craig Marton described it better than in about I've heard 247 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: and Craig Marton said, when he think back and with 248 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: that game, he said, look like that defense was coming 249 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: out of the turf, coming out of the sky everywhere. 250 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: With me, he said, everything my threat around, I was 251 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: looking at a stall on him. And if you remember 252 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: Harvin Morton and Randy White were co MVPs. Yeah, yeah, 253 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: Craig had a long day. Yeah, we crushed the Orange Crush. 254 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: Everybody was just clicking on all seems that game on offense, 255 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: at and defense and special team, the Doomsday defense, the 256 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: starbucked door set Pierson offense, and an elite special teams unit. 257 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: This was always going to be a long day for 258 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: the Broncos Cowboys twenty seven Broncos ten Lombardi Trophy number 259 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: two for the Cowboys organization, and the next year they 260 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: were right back in the Super Bowl again. Again It's 261 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: the damned Steelers. Never at one moment of that game 262 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: we're leading up to the game, doing the game. I 263 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: felt so confident with them where I said were gonna 264 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: beat this team. Confidence combined with seasoned talent. Fans and 265 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: experts agree the Cowboys are gonna win back to back 266 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: super Bowls. We experienced now our office is a machine. 267 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: All we gotta do is get them the ball. We 268 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: have a good defense. Frank O'Hare's is not gonna run 269 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: on us. Bradshaw not going to be to pass on us. 270 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: The Cowboys were the defending Super Bowl champs, and they 271 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: were all of those things that Ed said, But so 272 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: were the Steelers. They had won two of the last 273 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: three Super Bowls and we're also looking to become the 274 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 1: first franchise to have three Super Bowl trophies. A Super 275 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 1: Bowl rematch for the ages, Ed and Randy. We felt 276 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: you couldn't run on the flex. We could stop any 277 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: running back in the league if we played that flex 278 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 1: defense correctly. Our secondary was healthy. Up front, We're gonna 279 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: put shoulder. 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The Steelers win the first 320 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: Super Bowl ever where the losing team scored thirty points 321 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: Pittsburgh thirty five, Dallas thirty one. But don't worry. They've 322 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: been to five Super Bowls in nine years. There are 323 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: plenty more to come, right, Randy White, Right, you think 324 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 1: about tis I played my first four years, I went 325 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: to three Super Bowls. I thought, well, surely we'll go 326 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: back to another Super Bowl. I mean, I thought, you 327 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: just went to the Super Bowl. Five super Bowls for 328 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys in nine years, and the team is 329 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: still loaded. But each year some eighty guys will play 330 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys. And they are all men with 331 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: families and lives outside the game, and many of them 332 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: have dreams outside of football, including Ed Jones. So you've 333 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: been in the league five years, You've played in three 334 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: Super Bowls. Yes, you have dear friends and Harvey Martin, 335 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 1: Randy White, Jethro, Larry Cole people everything you loved Tom 336 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: Landry and you appreciate your defensive coordinators. Yes, and you're 337 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: going to quit and go box. Great, we aren't surprised, right, 338 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,200 Speaker 1: I mean Ed told us he felt like he was 339 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: denied an opportunity to see how good he could be 340 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: at boxing in high school, and he had told the 341 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: Cowboys a full year earlier he wouldn't be here for 342 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: the following season, but apparently nobody believed him. Hollywood Henderson 343 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: as my roommate and as my friend, I never knew 344 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: nothing about boxing, never discussed boxing with me. When he 345 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: didn't show up betweening camp that year, I was as 346 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: surprised as Tom Lynd. It surprised me, But you know what, 347 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: I respected that Ed love boxing. How many guys are 348 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: going to leave a successful career with the Dallas Cowboys 349 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: to go dry boxing because that's something that's a passion 350 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: for him. I always respected him. We're taking off and 351 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: doing that. I supported him. You know, I watched him. 352 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: I saw its first fight to take the pretty large 353 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: set of oysters to fight in the heavyweight ranks of boxing. 354 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: Ed's teammates and friends were surprised and impressed, but Ed 355 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: was just fulfilling a promise that he had made to 356 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: himself when he was seventeen years old. He was going 357 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: to see this through. Boxing was his favorite sport. Had 358 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: to do it. I had to do it after I 359 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 1: signed a four year deal with an option year. Okay, 360 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: I got my super Bowl championship, ring lost the couple 361 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I said, if I'm going to do what I really 362 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: want to do now, it's the time to do it. 363 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 1: You're the right age, bright age, and if I don't 364 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 1: do it now, it would be too late to do 365 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: what I always wanted to do, which was box, which 366 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: was my number one sport then and now absolutely love boxing. 367 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: And I said, I gotta do it otherwise I don't 368 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: want to be for the fifty years old having never 369 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: achieved what I really wanted to do. As Randy White said, 370 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: you've got to respect a man who's being true to 371 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: himself and trying to live out all of his dreams. 372 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: You just do. So it's on the boxing for Ed 373 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: too tall for football? Jones? Was he too tall for boxing? 374 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 1: I sat down and talked to my advisors about what 375 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: I wanted to do about Number one at vital with 376 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: my mom. Number two with my lawyer at the time 377 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: then I had some close friends. His name was Don Crumpton. 378 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: My mom was the one who said, don't burn any bridges. 379 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I'm gonna give them a year notice. 380 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: So I went in and told tech Stram that I 381 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: wouldn't be coming back. I told him, after we've won 382 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and seventy set up. I told him, 383 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: I said, prepared for me in the draft, I won't 384 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: be returning. I didn't say what I was gonna do 385 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: you remember, ed Jones and told tech Stram a full 386 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: year in advance that he wouldn't be back in nineteen 387 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,120 Speaker 1: seventy nine. But maybe they didn't really believe him. Maybe 388 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 1: they didn't really listen. Well they're listening now. They called 389 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: me in during the season in seventy eight about mid Stein, said, hey, 390 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: we haven't heard from your lawyer. I said, why don't 391 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: you want to hear from a lawyer? They said, well, 392 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: you know your contracts up. I said, if you remember, 393 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: I told you I won't be returning. So they believed 394 00:23:55,040 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 1: me and drafted lay Bethell that you So I said, 395 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: I don't want them to read about what this is. 396 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: After I called my press conference in New York where 397 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: I was gonna be training all that Lara Holmes was championed, 398 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: I said, I don't want them to read about this. 399 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 1: They deserve to know what I'm doing before they read 400 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: about it. So you made another call just to be 401 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: sure the Cowboys were one hundred percent privy to the decision. 402 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: I called tex shrim I s a tective. Want you 403 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: to know I've already called a press conference. I'm retiring 404 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: and going into boxing. And I was silence there. The 405 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: only thing he said, well, have you told coaching name? 406 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: I said no, He said, called coach name? I called 407 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: coach name. I told him tho the that same word. 408 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: He said, who is your trainer? I said, Murphy Griffith, 409 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: Emil Griffith, Uncle, he's all he said, he's He's a 410 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: good guy. He said, where it. I hope they take 411 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: good care of you. And I want you to remember 412 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: one thing, thank you, and if you need anything, don't 413 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 1: you have that they pick up the phone and call 414 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: good luck. That's how class that he was. Coach Tom 415 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: Landry was a quiet, smart, caring man. He was also 416 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: no dummy. He knew there was a chance his left 417 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: defensive end might want to play football again. Never burn 418 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: Bridges right, That's what Abby Jones told her son. Ed 419 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: Tom Landry agreed, So what's next? Ed, You're in the 420 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: boxing world now, baby. But I called Lara Holmes the champion. 421 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,439 Speaker 1: I had met Larry before after fights because I used 422 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: to go to all the big fights in Vegas. Lara 423 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: home at the time with a big cowboy fan. Because 424 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: used to always tell me, you tell at Robert Newhouse. 425 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: He better be glad I didn't play football because I 426 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: would have taken the spot. So I called Larisa Larry. 427 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 1: I told him what I was doing, and I said, Man, 428 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: just to just to make this real, you've been a champion, 429 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: which you attended my press cover. He said, I would 430 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: loved him. So Larry Holmes, well that my press conference 431 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: with my trainers manager New York City. In New York 432 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: City placed this packed. After the press conference was about 433 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: to close, Larry said, I counsider ed a friend. When 434 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: he feel he's ready for a shot, he got it. 435 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,880 Speaker 1: Larry Holmes was the current heavyweight champion of the world. 436 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: Known as the Eastern Assassin as he was from Easton, Pennsylvania. 437 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: Holmes was known for his job and for being the 438 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: only guy who ever knocked out Muhammad Ali. He was 439 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 1: a friend to Ed. Speaking of Ali, edge ever run 440 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 1: across the Louisville Lippe. He tried to get me to 441 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 1: fight him. Is that right? He tried to get me 442 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: to fight him. I was on the phone with him. 443 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: He said, hey, man, we can make a lot of money. 444 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: I said, Ali, I'm not ready for you. I said, 445 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: I followed your career nineteen seventy nine. Muhammad Ali had 446 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: been the heavyweight champion of the world on three separate occasions, 447 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: the last coming in nineteen seventy eight when he avenged 448 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 1: a loss to the gap tooth unknown Leon Spinks. But 449 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,880 Speaker 1: Ali was looking worn out. Three bouts with Joe Frasier 450 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,159 Speaker 1: in four years, along with his thirty seven years on 451 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: Earth had the champ physically worn down, and then he 452 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: tried to coax our Ed two tall Jones into the ring. 453 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: I should give me two years. He hey, man, we're 454 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: meeting a lot of money on the tape. I should 455 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: give me two years. And now he hung up. So 456 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,879 Speaker 1: a fight with the greatest of all time never came about. 457 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: But Ed's heavyweight career began with a bout against Abraham Manessas, 458 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: who already had eleven fights in his young career, and 459 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: he was a runner. My train has made a mistake 460 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: and put me in there with a guy who could 461 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: literally run around a reef. I won't it fight ut 462 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 1: with you know where he's gonna be there. I'm gonna 463 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: be there. Made a best man win and he got 464 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 1: caught with a jab one that knocked him backwards and 465 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: ran the whole fight. Then the one thing my trainers 466 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 1: hadn't taught me how to do, that's how to cut 467 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: a ring off. I didn't know how to cut a 468 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: ring off where I could corner him from Rennie. So 469 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: he had the whole arena he had. That's right. It 470 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,240 Speaker 1: was a big ring manessas danced and ran away from 471 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: the much bigger Jones. The fight just kept going and going, 472 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 1: two tall one on a decision. Finally in the sixth round. 473 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: And by the way, all of Ed's fights were six 474 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: rounds instead of the usual five because they were all 475 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: televised on CBS. Rocket Gonzalez was a former Mexican champion. 476 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: He was the biggest name that I fought. Ed Jones 477 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: had six fights. He won them all, five by knockout, 478 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: including the former Mexican champ Rocky Gonzalez, who stood six 479 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: feet five inches tall. Finally someone ED could see eye with. 480 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: But big man, he's as fast as I've ever seen. 481 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: So that's one of the things that you worked on, 482 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: worked hard on. You ran, you worked on your feet 483 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: and hands were already pretty fast, right, So those were 484 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: those are things you concentrate on when you went to boxing. Yes, 485 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: and I had the great trainers for it. They believed 486 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: in them. Hance me and balance where you can throw 487 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: a punch from anywhere. You know, you can't throw a 488 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: punch if you off balanced, not not affective. You can 489 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: throw up, but you're probably gonna get counted. Couping's not 490 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: gonna have no power behind it. But they taught me 491 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: how to just take short jab steps and good footwork 492 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: where I could throw any punch from either hand and 493 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: it'd be effective with power at any time. So six 494 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: fights and six wins in your first year in the 495 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:50,479 Speaker 1: ring pretty good. How hard and how different were boxing workouts? Boxing? 496 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: I worked out six days a week. I'd run five 497 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: miles one day six to eight. That was just running. 498 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: Then three days a week I'd go to GM and 499 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 1: work out an hour fifteen minute, none stop, quick hand 500 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: speed and long lean muscle. I did this for six 501 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: months before he had first first fight. To contrast boxing 502 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: workouts and football workouts, well, the big thing for most 503 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: athletes would have been that they had more muscle and 504 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: bolt for the football season to stay strong, But ed 505 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: Jones was always one who wanted longer muscles. Even for 506 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: the football field, his arms and their maneuverability were important 507 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: to his pass rushing and to his ability to fend 508 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 1: off big offensive tackles so he could stop the run. 509 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: So the really big difference was that his boxing workouts 510 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: needed to produce lean strength because he was planning on 511 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: boxing at approximately thirty pounds less than he played football. 512 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: Where'd you train? I trained in New York at Times 513 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Square GM, jog around Center Park, the reservoir. The worst 514 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: thing a fighter can have is a respiratory problem. Condition 515 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: is so important for you. So after six months the 516 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: weather started to change, moved to LA and worked out 517 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: at jogged around Griffith Park and worked out at the 518 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: Main Street gym. You can't improve stamina for fighting if 519 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: you can't breathe hey ed. What was the hardest part 520 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: of the training. I had to really build my midsection 521 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: because he said they're gonna come at you take kidney 522 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: and liver shots, and so I had to eat a 523 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 1: lot of living to help build strong by the tissue. 524 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: Then they take that medicine ball they hit me with. 525 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: It had to turn quick and catch it, throw it 526 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,560 Speaker 1: back to another thought, saying did that every day. I 527 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: was ripped to take those shots. Take those shots, and 528 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: they said, Ed, you got to keep them away with 529 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: the jail like Mair Holme did, ripped abs that could 530 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: withstand the pounding that shorter fighters would give them. After all, 531 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 1: most of the competition couldn't reach Ed's head. They're gonna 532 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 1: hit you in the stomach. How are you hitting back? 533 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 1: I had two punches. I could drop you with right 534 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: and a left hook. They taught me how to always 535 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: be balanced. I could either come up that hook to 536 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: your midsection or your Joe ah the hook. Joe Fraser 537 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: told me this, He said, Ed, if you mastered a 538 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: good hook, they won't see that hook. They have to 539 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: watch film on you and study to just always be 540 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: ready for that left hook you got coming. Larry Holmes, 541 00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: Joe Fraser, and Muhammad Ali, all of these iconic champions 542 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: wanted to help our two tall fighter. Hey, what else 543 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: did smoke? And Joe teach him Ed, remember if you 544 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: miss hit something, don't do that. And then Ed showed 545 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: me a big swing and a mess and I ducked 546 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: just in case. That just took a lot of energe 547 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: out of you and you left yourself over too. He said, 548 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: hit that four, hit something, hit shoulder something. He said, Oh, 549 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: you gonna punch so hard it's gonna hurt wherever you 550 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: hit him. He said, no, later round they feel it. 551 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: Good point. No matter where a heavyweight fighter hits, you're 552 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 1: gonna feel it. So six fights in a year, all wins, 553 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,120 Speaker 1: five by knockout, and you're halfway through your two year 554 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: boxing plan. Have you heard from the Cowboys? They contacted 555 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: my lawyer from my address and I get this box. 556 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: They sent warm ups with the biggest cowboy logols I've 557 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: ever seen. I still have them. Seen them in a 558 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: gift shop, no where, though they have to have a custom. 559 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: It was the biggest cowboy logan and I just I 560 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: really lost it one time and just fell on my 561 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: couch and just started laughing. Warm up suits from your 562 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: home team with the big Cowboys star all over them. 563 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: That's nice and had to have felt pretty good, right, 564 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: be honest with you, Look things like that made a difference. 565 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: Then let me know, Hey, man e, they're thinking about me, 566 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: and that's good. That's good because they could be very 567 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: upset even though I did all the right things right. 568 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,959 Speaker 1: I will let him know you in advance, and then 569 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: all that stuff, and I played my contract out. I 570 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: cannot say one negative thing about the way they hell 571 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: in that situation. Landry and Shram and his teammates supported 572 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: Ed's need to be a boxer. He had given them 573 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: five great years as a cowboy. They played in three 574 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: Super Bowls while he was there. And maybe, just in case, 575 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: if he wants to play football again, he will remember 576 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 1: where home is. Did you keep track of your mates 577 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: playing football? Oh? I watched every game, and mate, I 578 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: watched every game and was sitting there just like I 579 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: was a twelfth man on the field. That's how hard 580 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,600 Speaker 1: I was putting for and why not? Ed loved his 581 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: teammates and they loved him. And then, somewhere in all 582 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,759 Speaker 1: of these feelings and preparing for a year or two 583 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: of his boxing career, Ed two tall Jones changed his 584 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 1: mind and he went back to football. Why it was 585 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: the thing to do it? To ten? No? Really, seriously, 586 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: I haven't told anybody anyone. It's now a forty one 587 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: year old secret. I think you should break the news 588 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: to a cowboy life the podcast Why did you come back? Ed? 589 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: Why Jim Jeff Coote you asked him about you? I'm 590 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,359 Speaker 1: gonna write a book about it. You have to read 591 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: it in the book. Well, I still haven't told any 592 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: about it, but I'm going to sit to record straight 593 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: one day because I should. As a media man, I've 594 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: always wanted to be known for breaking a big story. 595 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: Alas that desire will remain, like so many others, unfulfilled. Sorry, 596 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: so you're back now. Lawyer called Tecks and said that 597 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 1: Ed is giving up boxing and returning to football. Where 598 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 1: are you all add on this? Meaning they had my rights, 599 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: meaning they could trade me. They welcome me back with 600 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: open arms. Ed Jones is yet to tell anyone why 601 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 1: he returned to football from boxing. Some said it must 602 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 1: have been the stress that getting hit put on his mother, 603 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: who watched him. But still nobody knows what the Cowboys 604 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: new was. They wanted their six foot nine inch left 605 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 1: defensive endback. I bet you felt great in your Cowboys 606 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: uniform after all that physical work you did for boxing 607 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine, I reacted quicker on the field. 608 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: They called it the thought that the exercises and the 609 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: beaks of stuff I worked on for boxing gave me 610 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: quicker reflexes a lot of quicker reflexes. So if I 611 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: saw something prior to boxing, I picked it up quicker 612 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: one without box because everything about reflexes the boxing. You know, 613 00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: when Ed came back, he was even a better football 614 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: player than when he was poor. He left that year 615 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,319 Speaker 1: off hurt us because we didn't have Ed. We didn't 616 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: made end better. You gotta be quick on your feet 617 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: with great balance to keep the jab away, And it 618 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: turns out avoiding the huge pause of offensive tackles was 619 00:36:56,520 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: sort of similar, and Ed Jones, six heavyweight fights later, 620 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 1: was cat quick and overall he was a much happier 621 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: person between the ears, A lot clear, okay, a lot 622 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: more peaceful, at peace because you've done something that all 623 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: we've wanted to do. I don't have to. Don't have 624 00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,560 Speaker 1: to the number one thing I've always wanted to do, 625 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: That my number one dream. If I were old enough 626 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: to know what it woke, what's the fight that my 627 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,280 Speaker 1: number one dream? So now I'm at peace with myself, 628 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: and you're right, I guess now I can just focus 629 00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: on the task of hand, and the task at hand 630 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: was getting back to Super Bowls, like he'd done in 631 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,719 Speaker 1: three of us first five years. But Roger Staubach was 632 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,040 Speaker 1: gone and some were quietly wondering if Tom Landry's methods, 633 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: which had been so groundbreaking in the sixties and early seventies, 634 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: were becoming outdated, And Randy White and I talked about 635 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,319 Speaker 1: this to this day. We always use that what if 636 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: because we are run into coaches do an off season 637 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,880 Speaker 1: and they said, man if I had you guys, I 638 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: throw that flexing the river, I turned you all aloose. 639 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:09,799 Speaker 1: You know that kind of thing. So you start hearing 640 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: it from other people, you start thinking what it But 641 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:19,240 Speaker 1: at the same time, we win it. We win it. Indeed, 642 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 1: even if the whispers had started, and in some ways 643 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,840 Speaker 1: the flex defense may have stunted as some of the 644 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 1: great talent on the Cowboys roster, they were still an 645 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: elite team, always in the mix for championships. In nineteen 646 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 1: eighty wasn't going to be any different because they made 647 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: it right back to the NFC championship game with Ed 648 00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,680 Speaker 1: Jones back on the field. When we played Philling that year. 649 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: First of all, we're better than phill It. We blew it. 650 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: That game was strictly weather that game and played in Dallas. 651 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 1: We were to be Philling. We got to that championship 652 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: game for a reason, and I don't like to make excuses, 653 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: but I know my players and I know what I 654 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: saw it in locker room, which sho was below zero. 655 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: The word cold is just doesn't explain half of what 656 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: that felt like. We go back in to get ready, 657 00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,520 Speaker 1: I guys, some of the guy looked like they didn't 658 00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,879 Speaker 1: want to go back at there, and we got beat. 659 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: For the first time in Ed's career as a Dallas Cowboy, 660 00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: his team had a chance to win a championship game 661 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,279 Speaker 1: and go to the Super Bowl, and they lost on 662 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: a frigid day and veteran stadium to the hated Eagles, 663 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: who handled the cold much better than our guys. The 664 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 1: next year, in nineteen eighty one, it's right back to 665 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: the NFC Championship Game again for another chance of the 666 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: Super Bowl against Joe Montana's forty nine ers, and this 667 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,320 Speaker 1: time it was a back pedaling throw that produced the catch. Ed, 668 00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: what about that catch? I will always say, you were 669 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: throwing it away. In nineteen ninety nine, I got to 670 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: spend a day along with Joe Montana while he signed 671 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 1: some three thousand autographed items for Upper Deck Authenticated. We 672 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: were in a medium sized room in the Los Angeles 673 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,720 Speaker 1: Convention Center together, he would sign and I would ask questions. 674 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: It didn't take too long to get to the catch. 675 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: I asked him point blank if he was throwing that 676 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: ball away. He explained to me with great conviction that 677 00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: he was not. That his head coach, the great Bill Walsh, 678 00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,800 Speaker 1: made the offense run that play at the end of 679 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 1: every practice, and that they virtually had no success with 680 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: it day after day in practice. But in nineteen eighty one, 681 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: in the NFC Championship game, with a Super Bowl invitation 682 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: on the line, and with Larry Bethett, did Lewis and 683 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: two tall Jones all bearing down on him on the 684 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,760 Speaker 1: right sideline while essentially backing up because those three Cowboys 685 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: were tall, and with Dwight Clark running into the left 686 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: corner of the end zone and then reversing field back 687 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: to the right as his quarterback was being flushed to 688 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: the right. Number sixteen to the Niners flung a pass 689 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: high into the night, so high it certainly looked like 690 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,960 Speaker 1: he was just living to play another down. Montana threw 691 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: it and somehow, six foot six ins Dwight Clark caught it. 692 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 1: First of all, he's a great quarterback, and he threw 693 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: off their own foot. So if you practiced that, oh 694 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,200 Speaker 1: we why don't you throw off their own foot. Also, 695 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: he's a smart quarterback. He had another plate. You know. 696 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,640 Speaker 1: He was throwing that ball away and hung on him 697 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,160 Speaker 1: because he threw off their own foot. The ball hung 698 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 1: on him, It's what it did. And it was thrown 699 00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: to the right person. Clark happened to be that who's 700 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: a leaper Montana looking looking throwing in the right corner 701 00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 1: of the end zone. Clark caught it. Dwight Clark, it's 702 00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,359 Speaker 1: a mad house and candlestick. With fifty one seconds left, 703 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: but there was still time for the Cowboys to get 704 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: down the field and kick a field goal to win. 705 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,680 Speaker 1: We had the best field goal kicking the league that year. 706 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: Two things happened. Dwight Hicks bad called Drew by the 707 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: top of his jersey, which was close to quoth call. 708 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: So the Cowboys took control of the ball with fifty 709 00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: one seconds left on their own twenty five yard line. 710 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: On the first play, Danny White went to Drew Pearson 711 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,920 Speaker 1: across the middle for a gain of thirty one yards, 712 00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,799 Speaker 1: and it was a horse collar tackle that brought Drew down. 713 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: Otherwise he would have scored, but the horse collar tackles 714 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: weren't illegal in nineteen eighty one. 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Before there was a draft, you 751 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: could size up a cowboy by three simple factors, the 752 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 1: crease at his hat, the bend of his brim, and 753 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: his unbending attitude a man, Stetson didn't just protect him 754 00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: from what life throw at him. It projected a rugged, 755 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,000 Speaker 1: unstoppable spirit. Stetson hats are still American, made with pride. 756 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 1: Right here in Texas. There's still the unofficial crowd of 757 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,560 Speaker 1: all self respecting Cowboys, and Stetson is proud to be 758 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,880 Speaker 1: on the field with America's team. Find a retailer nearest 759 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: to you at stetson dot com slash Cowboys. Actually, Danny 760 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,680 Speaker 1: White was passing and as his arm went forward, he 761 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,160 Speaker 1: tried to stop the release. And in those days it 762 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,960 Speaker 1: was a fumble. But now because the world bows to 763 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: Tom Brady, it's the tough rule and an incomplete pass. 764 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,640 Speaker 1: But on January tenth, nineteen eighty two, it's a fumble 765 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: and the game is over. The catch was so close 766 00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: to being irrelevant. Instead, the forty nine Ers run of 767 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,960 Speaker 1: winning begins as they beat the Bengals in Super Bowl 768 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:15,520 Speaker 1: sixteen twenty seven, twenty one, so nineteen eighty and now 769 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,440 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one, and in heartbreak just short of the 770 00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But in nineteen eighty two, the Cowboys are 771 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: right back to the championship game again three straight years. 772 00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 1: Washington had a good team that game. I can't say 773 00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: nothing about. Thieves was starting to catch up with us. 774 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: It's like a clock, it's gonna catch up with you. Mention. 775 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,120 Speaker 1: Coachlander used to tell us one thing we could be 776 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: sure of. Things will change, and things were changing. The 777 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,960 Speaker 1: differences in the roster from nineteen seventy eight, say, to 778 00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,440 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two were huge. Staubach was gone, Billy Joe 779 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,120 Speaker 1: Dupree was gone. So was Cliff Harris, and Ray Field 780 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,640 Speaker 1: Right and Jethroe Pew to name a few. Those are 781 00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,520 Speaker 1: all time players. And the NFL stands for not for long. 782 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: Change is imminent and constant. And those three teams from 783 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,920 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty two that all played in 784 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,120 Speaker 1: championship games were very good, but maybe just not quite 785 00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,200 Speaker 1: as good. Ed to be honest, Washington could match us 786 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: with talent that you on office, and they had great players. 787 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,799 Speaker 1: And so the Redskins led by Joe Thisman and John 788 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,919 Speaker 1: Riggins and Daryl Grant were good. And for the third 789 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 1: straight year since Ed Jones return of the Cowboys from boxing, 790 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: the Cowboys lost in the NFC Championship Game, one win, 791 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,640 Speaker 1: shy of another Super Bowl appearance, and it was beginning 792 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: to feel almost cruel. Were struggling in no assist in 793 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:44,839 Speaker 1: patent sugarcon Teams had caught up with us talent wise, 794 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,400 Speaker 1: you gotta have horses to run wind races, and we 795 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,440 Speaker 1: were struggling with talent. Oh, I gotta do it. Look 796 00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:56,080 Speaker 1: at our roster and look at other team rosters, and 797 00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,680 Speaker 1: they could play with us. I could play with us. 798 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,959 Speaker 1: We wouldn't have won the game. We would if we'd 799 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:08,800 Speaker 1: been so well coached. The buzzards are circling now. Quote 800 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,040 Speaker 1: the game has passed, coach Landry By said the newspapers 801 00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,800 Speaker 1: and talk shows. Truth was, it was damn hard to 802 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,840 Speaker 1: stay at the highest level when you drafted at the 803 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,480 Speaker 1: bottom of the draft every year. Randy twelve and my 804 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,120 Speaker 1: fourteen years we made the playoffs. So how do you 805 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: argue with that record? Right, you don't end the eight 806 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,560 Speaker 1: or nine years prior to you they won every year too. Yeah. Yeah, 807 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: So at the end, wasn't probably time to change? Yes, 808 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 1: in my opinion, I would. I would. I would come 809 00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:46,360 Speaker 1: out and I would say, yes, the flex defense still 810 00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: had a place, But it needed to be modified right. 811 00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:57,439 Speaker 1: And you know, I always remember what coach Landry used 812 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: to say, what he told us. He said, You're will 813 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 1: become your weakness if you always rely on your strength. 814 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 1: You gotta have a backup plan. The backup plan was 815 00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: Gary Hogeboom and Renfro instead of Roger Staubach and Drew 816 00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,240 Speaker 1: Pearson and Clinkscale instead of Cliff Harris, and no offense 817 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,359 Speaker 1: to any of those fine players. But replacing legends Hall 818 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: of famers is tough. And the flex was still the flex. 819 00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 1: Even though the athletes were getting better and the offenses 820 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: were going all star wars on everybody, the flex was 821 00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,480 Speaker 1: still the flex, and the fans were turning on their team. 822 00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 1: Ed fans are more cisitive than people around the game 823 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,840 Speaker 1: and expensive sport and Cowboys fans have been very spoiled 824 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,200 Speaker 1: many times in this franchise's history. The middle seventies to 825 00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,920 Speaker 1: the middle eighties was great team after great team. So 826 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: when it wasn't well spoiled, entitled fans will jump ship 827 00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: and you gotta, you gotta, you gotta let those just 828 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,560 Speaker 1: fly value because they just they're fans and you gotta 829 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,520 Speaker 1: appreciate them feeling that way, But at the same time 830 00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: they're spoil and that's just that's just the way it is. 831 00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,840 Speaker 1: You gotta stay focused on a team and say we 832 00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: gonna turn this around in ten. Teams stay together and 833 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,400 Speaker 1: they try to stay strong minded, but sometimes the players 834 00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,799 Speaker 1: bodies are telling them something else. I went to coach 835 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:33,400 Speaker 1: Landry once and and said that, uh, you know, I 836 00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: think I think you kind of a rebuilding stage. I 837 00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,680 Speaker 1: should throw. I should throw in the time. And he 838 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,359 Speaker 1: said he kept saying, give me one more year. I'm 839 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: thirty six years old with a broken neck and I'm 840 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: still playing. He kept saying, give me one more year. Father. 841 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,840 Speaker 1: Time always wins, and innovation will be caught up with 842 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,360 Speaker 1: new innovation, and smarter minds will show up. And in 843 00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine head coach Tom Landry was fired by 844 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:07,200 Speaker 1: new ownership. Ed Jones was at a true crossroads and 845 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,600 Speaker 1: when he was let go, I said, this is the 846 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 1: time to retire. And Jimmy Johnson came in and said, 847 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,840 Speaker 1: give me two years eighty nine. Yes, Jimmy and Jerry 848 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,520 Speaker 1: are in, and Randy White at thirty six is out, 849 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,560 Speaker 1: so as John Dutton and many others. Two tall Jones 850 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,359 Speaker 1: is thirty seven. But his body's holding up pretty good. 851 00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,319 Speaker 1: Huh huh? You interested? I had made my mind up. 852 00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: I talked to Butch Davis, and I knew he was 853 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: going to be my person to coach. That man was 854 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: so classy and professional. The way he sat down and 855 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,480 Speaker 1: talked to me. I started thinking, I said, you know 856 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,400 Speaker 1: what I watched Jimmy Mammy, how he'd run up a 857 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,080 Speaker 1: downer sideline, had a one and all that I played 858 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:50,400 Speaker 1: with Lynda fourteen years. I want to see whether to 859 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,960 Speaker 1: be like under somebody else. Jimmy Johnson had gone fifty 860 00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:57,359 Speaker 1: two and nine to the University of Miami in one 861 00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,920 Speaker 1: A national championship. He was also aculee in tune with 862 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: who the best college football players were, and he was 863 00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,440 Speaker 1: feisty and confident and young. Plus one of Jimmy's favorites 864 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,400 Speaker 1: from Miami, wide receiver Michael Irvine, was already in Dallas, 865 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,279 Speaker 1: and he made an impression on Ed Jones. Michael came 866 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,040 Speaker 1: in a leader. Mike is the only player I played 867 00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 1: with that I watched coming in of the rookie that 868 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:30,399 Speaker 1: had all that leadership ability. Michael Irvin was a big, 869 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,040 Speaker 1: tough receiver, the son of a preacher, and one of 870 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: seventeen kids lead or get run over. My goodness, But Ed, 871 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,640 Speaker 1: this team isn't very good now I'm not crazy, then no, 872 00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:45,799 Speaker 1: we rebuild it, because men I would. The hardest thing 873 00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,400 Speaker 1: for me to do that year was to keep what 874 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,680 Speaker 1: the names of my teammates a lot of no names 875 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,399 Speaker 1: as far as Ed was concerned. But another possible bright 876 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,240 Speaker 1: spot was a QB named Aikman. As far as looking 877 00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,560 Speaker 1: at a player, going is he gonna be a good 878 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,919 Speaker 1: fit one they turn it around? I saw neutral worth 879 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: the cause of his commitment, and I had hurt him 880 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 1: to lose. In nineteen eighty nine, Troy Acman, a quarterback 881 00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,520 Speaker 1: from UCLA, was made the number one overall choice by 882 00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,600 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. He looked the part, but he didn't 883 00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,960 Speaker 1: win any games in his first season, going oh and 884 00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,120 Speaker 1: eleven as a starter while being sacked some sixty times. 885 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,839 Speaker 1: Ed said had hurt him to lose. It hurt more 886 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,840 Speaker 1: than his feelings. In nineteen eighty nine, and after fifteen 887 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,879 Speaker 1: glorious years of football as a Dallas Cowboy and only 888 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,399 Speaker 1: a Dallas Cowboy, ED two tall Jones left the game 889 00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 1: on his terms. And when I retired, friend demanding about 890 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,640 Speaker 1: to cast a man great career gradulation. I know you're 891 00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: glad to get away from that one and fifteen teen. 892 00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,600 Speaker 1: See that's a guy. Watch what you say, they're gonna win? 893 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: I said, you waited. Jimmy get his ducks in the row. 894 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,920 Speaker 1: They're gonna win because he demands so much from the 895 00:52:52,080 --> 00:53:02,120 Speaker 1: top all the way down to the bottom. And when 896 00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:05,400 Speaker 1: they did, Troy and Michael and Emmitt and Charles and Jimmy, 897 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,239 Speaker 1: they won a lot. You're still a Cowboys fan, d 898 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,239 Speaker 1: always called i'man I invested fifteen years, then grew up 899 00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,520 Speaker 1: as a kid a Cowboy fan, even though I didn't 900 00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,080 Speaker 1: know nothing about football. All I'll do it back Dabbs 901 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:20,600 Speaker 1: fan followed the ball from a quarterback that we handed 902 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 1: to it through it too. But all my budde yah 903 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,120 Speaker 1: bout with cowboy fan and steal off. You know, so 904 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,399 Speaker 1: I would always be be a kewboy fan. Fifteen years 905 00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,560 Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboy one hundred and six sacks, hundreds of 906 00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:37,879 Speaker 1: batter down passes, sixteen fumbles recovered and three interceptions to boot, 907 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,120 Speaker 1: plus six NFC Championship Game appearances, three Super Bowls, three 908 00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: Pro Bowls, D two Tall Jones at six feet nine 909 00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:49,040 Speaker 1: inches tall, was a dominant force for the entirety of 910 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,359 Speaker 1: his career, being great and making others great. And yet 911 00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 1: he is not on the Pro Football Hall of Fame. 912 00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,360 Speaker 1: And here Jim Jeffcoat, Randy White, and Hollywood Henderson to 913 00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:12,400 Speaker 1: bitch about it. That bothers me. That bothers me. You 914 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,240 Speaker 1: never heard Ed to his horn or say the word. 915 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 1: You don't hear him do it today? You know, I'm 916 00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,200 Speaker 1: glad that he's speaking up a little bit and letting 917 00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,360 Speaker 1: people understand, you know, who he was and when the 918 00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:29,600 Speaker 1: contributions that were that he made. In my mind, him 919 00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:33,080 Speaker 1: and Harvey should whatever recognition I got, I think they 920 00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,719 Speaker 1: should be there right next to me. Both of them 921 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,279 Speaker 1: should be in there. I mean, there's no question about it. 922 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,440 Speaker 1: And both of them, which tremendous pass rushers, played the run, 923 00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:47,040 Speaker 1: they did everything Ed too told Jones, it deserves to 924 00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,840 Speaker 1: be in the NFL Hall of Fame. Harvey Martin should 925 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: be in the NFL Hall of Fame. Simple minded writers 926 00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:56,640 Speaker 1: will say, how am I putting them in the Hall 927 00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:03,960 Speaker 1: of fame. They're not in their own rings of honor. Oh, Jerry, Jerry, June, Jerry, 928 00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,760 Speaker 1: thank you guys. It is widely accepted that NFL players rarely, 929 00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,239 Speaker 1: if ever get into the Pro Football Hall of Fame 930 00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:14,640 Speaker 1: if they are not in their own team's hall of fame. 931 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:17,880 Speaker 1: Randy White has more to say, and he's the manster, 932 00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:21,560 Speaker 1: So yes, sir, please go ahead. When he would put 933 00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:26,440 Speaker 1: his arms up, he created a problem for quarterbacks looking 934 00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 1: that way to throw the ball that would make them 935 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,279 Speaker 1: have to hesitate just enough for Harvey or I to 936 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,680 Speaker 1: get pressure on the quarterback to disrupt his timing from 937 00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,200 Speaker 1: throwing the ball the way he wanted to. How many 938 00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,720 Speaker 1: passes did Ed block in key situation that he doesn't 939 00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,240 Speaker 1: get credit for. It's just as good as a sack. 940 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: Ed was a great, great football player. Thanks Randy. I 941 00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,200 Speaker 1: think we're all on the same page about where Ed 942 00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,120 Speaker 1: too tall for football Jones should end up. That's in 943 00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,040 Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. Let's give his lifelong friend from Jackson, Tennessee, 944 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,120 Speaker 1: Ken Atwater the final word I had to sum up 945 00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,480 Speaker 1: Ed Jones. I would tell you one thing. Ed is 946 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,160 Speaker 1: a true friend. He's always been a true friend, and 947 00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,759 Speaker 1: he's the same person that I've known all my life. 948 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:17,080 Speaker 1: His first major is always to help people and make 949 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,320 Speaker 1: sure people are doing well. You know that's probably the 950 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,239 Speaker 1: best compliment Ed Jones could get in this story. Thanks Ken, 951 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,040 Speaker 1: and thanks to Ed's teammates for chiming in, Randy White, 952 00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,800 Speaker 1: Hollywood Henderson and Jim Jeff Code. And thanks to you, 953 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,640 Speaker 1: Ed two Tall Jones for sitting all day with us 954 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,239 Speaker 1: and letting us in on your amazing cowboy life.