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Speaker 1: Welcome to Wednesday's a big Lue kickoff live here on

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Speaker 1: Giants dot com. He is Jeff Eagels on Lance Medal

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Speaker 1: with you for the next sixty minutes, so glad you

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Speaker 1: So a lot of news to unravel, Jeff. We just

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Speaker 1: heard from Pat Shermer, Daniel Jones as well as Golden Tate.

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Speaker 1: And that's where I want to start, because yesterday after

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Speaker 1: we went off the air, the NFL didn't announce that

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Speaker 1: Golden Tate is going to have to serve his four

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Speaker 1: game suspension. He failed on his appeal, so the Giants

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Speaker 1: now understand that he will be absent the first four

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Speaker 1: games of the season. He will be eligible to return

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Speaker 1: for their Week five matchup against the Minnesota Vikings, and

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Speaker 1: as we look over on the schedule, that is gonna

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Speaker 1: be October six, the one pm Eastern kickoff between the

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Speaker 1: Giants and the Vikings, So that's when Golden Tate can

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Speaker 1: rejoin his teammates and get back on the field in

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Speaker 1: a regular season game. Now, Golden Tate just spoke to

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Speaker 1: the media and he said he was disappointed, which was

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Speaker 1: not necessarily surprising. And also it's not surprising, Jeff, as

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Speaker 1: you and I discussed in great detail over the last

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Speaker 1: few weeks, that he did lose his appeal because it

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Speaker 1: is a zero tolerance policy, and the fact that it's

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Speaker 1: a zero tolerance policy, what that means is whether it's

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Speaker 1: a rational reason as to why you failed the test.

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Speaker 1: The NFL is not necessarily interested in separating under different

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Speaker 1: compartments as to why you failed to test. The bottom

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Speaker 1: have to serve the suspension. And that's exactly what happened

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Speaker 1: here with Golden Tape. They tell you you're responsible for

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Speaker 1: everything that you put in your body, end of end

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Speaker 1: of sentence, end of everything that you have to and

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Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. And unfortunately, even if

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Speaker 1: it's you know it was for fertility pill, whatever it was, um,

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Speaker 1: you're responsible for it. And zero tolerance means zero tolerance.

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Speaker 1: So um, it's unfortunate. And you know what, the good

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Speaker 1: thing about this is there's guys on this team now

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Speaker 1: spot at the wide receiver position that now opens up, okay,

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Speaker 1: to this competition which is going to continue to play

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Speaker 1: out Jeff with respect to the remaining preseason games. And

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Speaker 1: now that the Giants know he is going to go

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Speaker 1: fifty three. So for all of you that like to

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Speaker 1: non existent for the first four weeks of the season.

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Speaker 1: So do the Giants want to go in the direction

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Speaker 1: of keeping five six wide receivers? That remains to be seen.

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Speaker 1: I think there's value, Jeff in keeping six, and the

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Speaker 1: reason being a lot of the wide receivers on this

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Speaker 1: golden opportunity for him. Not to make a punt out

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what But I will tell you

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Speaker 1: It's very, very important for these guys too to play

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Speaker 1: well this week coming up against the Bears. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: that builds confidence for themselves, Jeff, as well as indicating

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Speaker 1: by the way, Alonso Carter does not play for the Giants,

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Speaker 1: I would never call him to the point. Yes, there's

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Speaker 1: that was my phone? You're busy man, that's Dallas can

428
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Speaker 1: want to know what's inside their ears were perning? Um,

429
00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,080
Speaker 1: you know a lot of times right at the beginning

430
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Speaker 1: of the season up until, like you know, the Giants,

431
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Speaker 1: around the last preseason game, they'll start preparing for Dallas.

432
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Speaker 1: You know, they'll start doing stuff at practice to get

433
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Speaker 1: ready for Dallas, and some coaches will even get ahead,

434
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Speaker 1: there's no question. So that's where you know, you might

435
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Speaker 1: have one of those guys where you want to be careful.

436
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Speaker 1: But what you're showing these players, especially the ones that

437
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Speaker 1: are going to be around And now let me ask

438
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Speaker 1: you a question. I should know that they're the cutdown.

439
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Speaker 1: They changed this last year. Um, it's no longer a

440
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Speaker 1: sixty minutes to seventy five, and that's hi even eliminated. Jeff.

441
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Speaker 1: It's one cut you go from because I remember a

442
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Speaker 1: few years ago they used to have it. I don't

443
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Speaker 1: remember that. They may have been sixty at one point,

444
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Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I remember it was. The bottom

445
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Speaker 1: line is they always had a cut in between before

446
00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,960
Speaker 1: the fourth preseason. But the whole point of having the

447
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Speaker 1: fourth preseason game is to play the guys who you

448
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Speaker 1: have no intention chin that play. I mean meaning you

449
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: don't want to play your starters, excuse me, in that

450
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: fourth preseason game. That's more of a reason why you

451
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 1: should still have ninety on your rosters. So that's why

452
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: they came up with the idea of why are we

453
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Speaker 1: getting rid of fifteen guys when we could use those

454
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Speaker 1: fifteen in the fourth preseason game. Yeah, you're really going

455
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Speaker 1: into that game with sixty eight players because you're two

456
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Speaker 1: starters are not You're not even playing them, So, you know,

457
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Speaker 1: trying to get through a game with two I think

458
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Speaker 1: it's a great point. You know, it also gives these

459
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Speaker 1: guys an extra you know, one or two weeks to

460
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Speaker 1: be able to impress. You never know, there a backstring

461
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 1: guy that's a bubble roster guy. Maybe you make an

462
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Speaker 1: unbelievable play in the fourth preseason game and then the

463
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Speaker 1: team puts a claim in that's right. So that's extreme value.

464
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Speaker 1: And one thing that coaches always like to say is

465
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Speaker 1: that you're not just competing with the ninety guys or

466
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Speaker 1: whatever position group you will have. You know, if you're

467
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Speaker 1: in a wide receiver group, there might be fourteen guys

468
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Speaker 1: in camp right now. You're you're competing with the other

469
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Speaker 1: thirty one teams were receiving corpse because those guys, you know,

470
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Speaker 1: their scouts know about you. I promise you that scouts

471
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 1: know about everybody that's on a roster no matter what.

472
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Speaker 1: They know, they have something on you. And they're watching

473
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Speaker 1: those preseason games, okay, and they're putting grades on you.

474
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Speaker 1: And a guy like t J. Jones who played very

475
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Speaker 1: well last week, he's on somebody's radar as of right now,

476
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Speaker 1: no one because he played so well last week. Um,

477
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Speaker 1: some of the other guys who who did well, Okay,

478
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Speaker 1: So that's that's the important thing. And you hit the

479
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Speaker 1: nail on the head is get on some tapes so

480
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Speaker 1: some teams can see you play. Then you're gonna have

481
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Speaker 1: a chance to maybe make another roster somewhere. Pat Shermer

482
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Speaker 1: has said this multiple times, and I think the organization

483
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Speaker 1: too would echo as sentiments. At the end of the day,

484
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Speaker 1: if the ninety guys that are on the Giants, Jeff

485
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: make fifty three man rosters or practice squads between the

486
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Speaker 1: Giants and the rest of the league, I think that

487
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Speaker 1: speaks volumes of who you brought in the camp and

488
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Speaker 1: who helped improve your team. And that's the ultimate goal.

489
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Speaker 1: If you can say there's a representative from our organization

490
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Speaker 1: that is everywhere in the NFL. That to me is

491
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Speaker 1: a significant achieved. They should have a award for that.

492
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Speaker 1: They should, you know, should award a team where every

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Speaker 1: player who was on your ninety man roster wound up

494
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Speaker 1: on or or whoever your own team. So you take

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Speaker 1: the fifty three minus the nine. Do you do the math? Okay,

496
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Speaker 1: of those four, there was the thirties seven of the

497
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Speaker 1: thirty seven, what's the percentage of your guys that made

498
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Speaker 1: another roster a fifty three man roster? Will give them

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Speaker 1: to the middle of the week of the first game,

500
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Speaker 1: because there's a lot of stuff that goes on a

501
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Speaker 1: movement um. And then what whoever has the highest percentage

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Speaker 1: it wins the the Golden Roster Award of the National

503
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Speaker 1: Football League. And now what fans are gonna want is

504
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: they gonna want some incentive. So are you going to

505
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Speaker 1: give them more cap space? Are you going to give

506
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Speaker 1: them some type of an exception to use down the road?

507
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Speaker 1: Because I can tell you the trophies meaningless in the

508
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Speaker 1: eyes of the the fans are always trying to take

509
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Speaker 1: it a step further. How can we circle you're gonna

510
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Speaker 1: get anything for it, but you're gonna get first the

511
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Speaker 1: player personnel director and maybe the general manager. They get

512
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Speaker 1: a small little you know, this little title you can put. Yeah,

513
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 1: put it in your office and when somebody walks in

514
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Speaker 1: and goes, that's wow. That's a really small trophy. What

515
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: is that for. It's the Golden Roster Award, the Coulton

516
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Speaker 1: Roster Award, presented by Jeff in two thousand and nineteen.

517
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Speaker 1: We had twelve percent of our kids. Are are guys

518
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Speaker 1: that were there were at least made another fifty three

519
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Speaker 1: man roster and we won. That's that's and I think

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Speaker 1: it'd be fun to kind of keep that. I'm not

521
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Speaker 1: disagree with you, and we get one of our interns

522
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Speaker 1: to do that. Oh, I'm sure they have not enough

523
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: on their plate already that they would be more than happy.

524
00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like they have enough. I see him walking

525
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: around here with like drinks and having you know, right now,

526
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: there's too many of them, and we got a few

527
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: in the room right now. Yeah, we do this entitlement

528
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: going on here with the Giants. We gotta correct that

529
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Speaker 1: ship before it gets out of hand. I think though,

530
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Speaker 1: that's more of an NFL intern assignment because the league

531
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Speaker 1: office would be in charge of that. So maybe we'll

532
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Speaker 1: take that off the occulders of the Giants intern specifically,

533
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: but keep you posted as we moved. Yeah, I think

534
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Speaker 1: he's my ex neighbor by the way, all right, I

535
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: didn't know that that's news. I also coached the Sun

536
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Speaker 1: and in football. Well wow, small world. Well I think

537
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: you should whisper that into his ear and see if

538
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: he could pass that along. We'll see probably not. Zero

539
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: one four, five, one three is the telephone. Alright, let's

540
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Speaker 1: open up the phone lines. And I also have been

541
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Speaker 1: doing some research about quarterback transitions, which I do want

542
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Speaker 1: to get to at one point before we wrap up

543
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Speaker 1: the show. Ants doing research, Yes, Lance does a lot

544
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Speaker 1: of research bright away for us. Too much time on

545
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Speaker 1: my hands, you do. So, I was delving into a

546
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Speaker 1: new project and I want to reveal some of the results.

547
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: I'm not done yet, but I want to give a

548
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Speaker 1: little bit of a team. Yes, let's start the festivities off, though,

549
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Speaker 1: first with John in New York. He gets us going

550
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Speaker 1: here on John Nish in a big blue kick off love.

551
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Speaker 1: What's happened to John? Hi? How are you doing? Guys?

552
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: Thanks for taking away cold. I have a statement and

553
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: the question for Jeff Okay, sure, okay, uh what giant

554
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,120
Speaker 1: fans and some mid fifties. I've seen Chuck and Charlie

555
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: Connolly go, y a go, So Phil Simms go. I

556
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: saw a house that will go. I saw Colin's go.

557
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm still a Giant's good for you. So there you go.

558
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to see they see it happen,

559
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: but it's gonna happen. So it has to happen, right,

560
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a matter of time. Everybody's got

561
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: to go. Really, everybody goes, everybody gets it turned. That's it,

562
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: that's it, young man's game. If this is too early,

563
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: but I remember this, you made a prediction that Giants

564
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 1: would win to out of their first eight if they

565
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,399
Speaker 1: were lucky, and I agree with you. If it's not

566
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: too early, you'd like to see you make to prediction

567
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: to the to the boys said it'd be nine games,

568
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Speaker 1: and I would put mine on the board. All right,

569
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Speaker 1: we'll put yours on the board nine wins for the season.

570
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,959
Speaker 1: Referring to I'm not putting picking nine. You're not picky nine? Well,

571
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: what is your what was the nine? What was the

572
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: night for? Then? Where is it? Pick the first nine?

573
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Speaker 1: Jeff picked the last year for the first I think

574
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Speaker 1: it was to the bye eight games, and he picked

575
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Speaker 1: the Giants win in two games, alright, it was off

576
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: two so many you want his prediction for pre to pick,

577
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: and then I'll pick one more game on the board

578
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 1: than one more win than he picks plus one. Essentially,

579
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Jeff. Do you want to go on

580
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: the spot here and do you want to give a

581
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: win total? Can you? Can you? I'll tell you what.

582
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Speaker 1: Here's what I do. John, I'm not gonna do it

583
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: right this second, but if you, if you continue to

584
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 1: watch the program, I'm gonna if you're gonna hand me,

585
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: can you hand me the schedule? Um, I will give

586
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: it to you. And since we know you're gonna do

587
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: one more than I'm going to do, then we'll just

588
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,639
Speaker 1: put that on the board. But I will take a

589
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: look at this and try to go through it. I

590
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 1: just I don't. I gotta put a little thought into this,

591
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: and we don't have enough time to do it. Um,

592
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: but I will. I will give you my up till

593
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: the bye, which was going to be November seventeenth. That'll

594
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: be one, two, three, five, six, seven, eight nine. That

595
00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: will be ten games, all right, and the games I believe,

596
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: and then well, we'll put you down as plus one

597
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,639
Speaker 1: John after that, depending on what you got it all right,

598
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: appreciate the phone call, absolutely alight. So I have to

599
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: look at ten games. Well, we could get your ansl

600
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: later on, saying I don't want to put you on

601
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Speaker 1: this spot. No, I'm and I'm not gonna put myself

602
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 1: on the spot. I'm gonna look at these as we go.

603
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: There you go, okay, you know, and then got a

604
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 1: pretty good idea. We'll reveal it later on. Keep in mind,

605
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm personally I'm just not a fan of predictions because

606
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,679
Speaker 1: we have no idea what some of these opponents and

607
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 1: the Giants are gonna look like. When you get to

608
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: the nobody holds me to it like I lose my

609
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 1: job because John apparently is keeping tally because he had

610
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: the number from last season. So if there's anybody that

611
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: you should be worried about, it's him. I'm not worried

612
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: about you, John. You seem to be a nice guy,

613
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: and we've been a long lifelong Giants. Yes, it's the

614
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: fifth row, the true Blue period, the seventies. He was

615
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: telling out names even before that, so he has seen

616
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: his fair share of Giants football there's no doubt about that.

617
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: Y A tittle had and I had the same haircut.

618
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: By the way, well, we were looking for a comparison

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Speaker 1: between the two of you. I'm fine with that, Fine

620
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: with that. So physical description is also a way. Even

621
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Speaker 1: if you've played a completely different position and a completely

622
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: different side of the football, that doesn't mean that we

623
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: can't make comparisons here on this program. You can if

624
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: you want. Two zero five, one three, Let's hear from

625
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Speaker 1: Dan in the Poconos. Dan, welcome the Big Blue kig

626
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Speaker 1: Alls Live. What do you got for us? Well, I'd

627
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: like to be in a Pokonos Dan. How are you doing?

628
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing good, Jeff. But when I know you went

629
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: to the Pokemos not too long ago. But I'm on

630
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: a roof scrape and my house. What I'm doing? You

631
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: can't keep doing that in a Pocono you get Come on,

632
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: relax a little bit, will you? Yeah? Why did I

633
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 1: think of that? Damn it? Anyway, let me tell you

634
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: real quick. Uh, just two things I want to talk about. Well,

635
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: just really comment on I'll tell you these these press

636
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: conferences are getting just totally disgusting. Like I tried to listen,

637
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: I see Merritt, you know Mr Marathon the you know,

638
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: he had his press conference or whatever you call it,

639
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Speaker 1: and I couldn't even listen to more than thirty seconds

640
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: of it. Everything is eli. When do you think Jones

641
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: is gonna? I mean everyone knows, everyone knows the scenarios, right,

642
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: I don't even have to go up with myself. We

643
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: know what the scenarios are. He said, Hey, the perfect world, right,

644
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 1: we won't eat Jones, won't even be on the field,

645
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 1: and and there and that and that guy, the leadoff guy.

646
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: My god, I know his voice, that guy used, Paul Schwartz.

647
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, man, what what the hell is wrong

648
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: with these people? Okay, that's their job number two, number two,

649
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: number two. And then just just if you could listen

650
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: to me rant rant for a minute. I've been vent

651
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: a little. I appreciate it so much. You should have

652
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: a time limit on the callers. Okay. As much as

653
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: I love Lend from Maryland, he's a big giant fan.

654
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm just as old as him. I've been and I'm

655
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: I'm still on this freaking roof scrape and paint, God

656
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: help me. Um. And I've been a giant fans forever, right,

657
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 1: But he complains about um um this issue about Eli,

658
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: and but that's all he talks about. He says, Oh,

659
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an issue all ye alone. But Lynn,

660
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: give it up. Stop talking about Eli and Jones. It's

661
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: just gotten to the point where we we just can't

662
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 1: hear it anymore. If the caller calls up wants to

663
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 1: talk about Eli and Jones, you should just hang up

664
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: on him. Well, Dan, listen, I'm not gonna go that far.

665
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: I mean, the bottom line is it's it's a relevant subject.

666
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 1: It's a relevant subject because unfortunately, it's the media world

667
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: we live in and it's constantly brought up. I'm tired

668
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: of it. I'm sure Jeff is tired of it. A

669
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: lot of us are tired of it. And that's exactly

670
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: why I was going to bring up examples later on

671
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: in the show and doing homework and bringing up facts

672
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: so that people can stop talking about when the transition

673
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: is going to take place. So I get your point.

674
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna We're not gonna go so far though,

675
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: to tell people they can only talk about specific subjects.

676
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: We'll handle it as it comes. And I get your frustration,

677
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: and it's understandable. Yeah, it's crazy and and and another thing.

678
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: And I know I know you at Charlie, but at

679
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: least he, at least he sometimes has a decent point

680
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 1: to Dancy, this is where we and this is where

681
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: we cut you off when you start talking about Charlie

682
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: and good points in the same sentence. I mean, listen,

683
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave you to continue to scrape the paint

684
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: off the roof. I think, Dan, it's sniffer painting up

685
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: there in the pokonots, you know. Listen, I'll let your

686
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: baby rant about a few other callers. Okay. The minute

687
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: you start saying Charlie and good point in the same sentence, Dan,

688
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're sipping on. Maybe too much

689
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: of grandpuzz old medicine. But that's where I try the lie.

690
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: And Charlie will be calling any minute now that he

691
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: heard that. Oh Will. Nobody likes to pat himself on

692
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: the back more so than Charlie. Listen to the media, Okay,

693
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: the media, that's their job. Okay, you're gonna it's as

694
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: much as we get tired of them asking the same

695
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: old questions. They're just waiting for one person to say

696
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: something and then they get credit for the question. That's

697
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: just the way the media goes and they you know,

698
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: it's over and over and over, but their bosses are

699
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: telling them to ask the questions burn over and over.

700
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: They have to do it. Just don't listen to it,

701
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: just kind of like well, just shrug it off, like

702
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: here we go again, you know. Um, And I'm sure

703
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: you think you're tired of it? How much? How much

704
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: do you think that Shermer loves listening to it every

705
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: single day or any even Eli and Daniel Jones. I mean,

706
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: somebody asked the other day, what would be the ideal

707
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: situation for you to come in Dan? Daniel? Yeah, well,

708
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: and I brought that up from an earlier press conference

709
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: where I mean as if Daniel Jones should be occupying

710
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: himself with thoughts about when the transition to take place.

711
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, unfortunately, this is what happens when you have

712
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: uh young quarterback taken with a high pick. There's a

713
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: lot of hype surrounding there. So it's not just the Giants,

714
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: it's most teams. And I have a few examples that

715
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: will throw out. But what I would just like people

716
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: to take a step back and understand is it's not

717
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: unusual for a rookie quarterback who's taken in the first round,

718
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: Jeff to sit for a season, it's not rare. We've

719
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: got to stop treating it as if there's a rule

720
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: in the NFL that when you take a player at

721
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: a certain selection that they have to get in and

722
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: they have to specifically start. That mindset is occupying I

723
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: think a lot of people's minds, and it's becoming over killed.

724
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 1: It's because the people that are putting it out there

725
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 1: believe in it and that it has no fact. It's

726
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: only their opinion. And if they do do some research,

727
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,439
Speaker 1: which you're gonna tell a show is here later later,

728
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 1: I can just see what's coming down the pike here.

729
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: But they have they want to push the narrative. They

730
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: want to push it on you to say this is,

731
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, he's the six pick, and then you he's

732
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: got a play and because he lies in the sixteenth

733
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: year and he can barely walk, and he he walks

734
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: to practice with with crutches, and you know, he has

735
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: no hair left, and he's old and everything else, and

736
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: go ahead, close to it, you know. But the fact

737
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: is that as ball I had to tell you if

738
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: you were right by me, strike two. But I feel

739
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: like these guys, it's just, you know, it's just I

740
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: get tired of hearing. But you know, they just have

741
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: to they have to ask the same questions over and over.

742
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: It is well said by you when you said that

743
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 1: they are told by their editors and listen. I don't

744
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: want to place the blame on fans and the court

745
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: of public opinion, but I think we all deserve to

746
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: take some responsibility in this conversation. I think if you

747
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: truly want to point the figure, because why why are

748
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,959
Speaker 1: editors telling media members to run with these narratives Because

749
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: in their mind, Jeff, they believe that that's going to

750
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 1: get clicks and that's going to give people a reason

751
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: to want to read this stuff. So I think, really

752
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,479
Speaker 1: it's a good test for any fan of any team.

753
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: I'm not just putting Giants fans up here to look

754
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: in the mirror and say, what do I want as

755
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: a consumer? Do I want to read this stuff or

756
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: can I separate the facts from the speculation and just

757
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: consume the facts. I think it's a true test to

758
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: the fan in today's media market, what do you want

759
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 1: out of coverage? And you have the power to dictate that.

760
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: But the more you consume and the more you click on,

761
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 1: the speculation about when Daniel Jones is gonna get in,

762
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: when Eli is going to get to the end of

763
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: his road, simply gives them more momentum. Jeff, to your

764
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,720
Speaker 1: point to get the editors to tell the media people

765
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: and the writers and so forth to continue to put

766
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: this type of content out there and to continue to

767
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 1: ask these types of questions. Good point. It's a cyclical process.

768
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: That's the name of the game. Two zero one one

769
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: three hashtag Giants chat. Mark is in North Carolina, Mark,

770
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: what's happening? Hey, how are you today? Doing very well? Mark?

771
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: What's talking mind? Uh? Pretty much what you guys have

772
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: been talking about. Actually, you know the depth chart on

773
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: the roster and stuff, and you know, if we had

774
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: more than a fifty three man roster, that would help

775
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: quite a bit as far as fir stability, uh and

776
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: the training, um, you know, behind the starters, as far

777
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: as when a starter gets injured or whatever, that you

778
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: have your backup is just as functional to fit into

779
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: the place. And the backup quarterback. I mean really, you

780
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: know trains up, you know the backups as well. When

781
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: you know regular season so it all helps. So I mean,

782
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 1: you know, uh and and plus you know, Eli gets

783
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: paid a lot more than Daniel Jones to be on

784
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: the field. You don't want you know, Eli sitting on

785
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: the bench making all that money. But Dr Baying said,

786
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: if Eli was the number two and they go to

787
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, he gets Super Bowl Ring two right

788
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,399
Speaker 1: last time I checked, Yeah, yeah, So I mean that's

789
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: the way he could actually get a third one if

790
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: he was on the bench. But at any rate, that

791
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: the deal is though, is is you know, I mean

792
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: he is you know, he's the starting quarterback and that's

793
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: just the way, you know, and and and Daniel Jones

794
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 1: gets to train up the backups. But you know, I

795
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: think the eighteen games roster thing is is really you know,

796
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 1: the owners are going to make the decision one way

797
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: or the other, I think, and I think they really

798
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: want the eight team and having an increased roster would help.

799
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: And trying to like you know, um, have our are

800
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: starting running back get some sitting time instead of just

801
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: running him all the time. Well, they are resting him.

802
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: If you're talking about s Kawan Barkley, he didn't play

803
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 1: in the first preseason game, and I wouldn't be surprised

804
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: if he doesn't playing the preseason at all. They're just

805
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 1: essentially utilizing him in practice. Pat schrum Or even mentioned

806
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: that today they like the work that he's getting in

807
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: at practice, so they're actually being very cautious and careful

808
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: with him. As far as increasing the roster size, you've

809
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,720
Speaker 1: got a ten man practice squad. I'd like the NFL

810
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: to go in the direction of just treating that like

811
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: the G League in the NBA, where you could call

812
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: guys up and send them down without risking them having

813
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: to go through waivers, and so you really have sixty

814
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: three guys on the roster and ten guys on the

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00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: practice squad fifty three on the main roster. That's something

816
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: that I think the league could look into. But the

817
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: reason why you can't just increase the roster and how

818
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: many guys are active is you're gonna get into a

819
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: situation where some teams have forty seven guys healthy, other

820
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 1: teams have fifty guys healthy. And then if you say

821
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: you could keep everybody active, you're gonna have an uneven

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00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: amount of players active for different teams. So I don't

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00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: think the nf phil wants to go in that direction.

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00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: And that's why they got to be careful with expanding

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00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: the amount of players that you could utilize on game day. Yeah,

826
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: but but you're only gonna have you know, eleven guys

827
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: on offense or eleven guys on defense at any given

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00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: time anyway. I mean, it's it's, you know, like if

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00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 1: you had sixty guys and someone's got forty, you're still

830
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: going to get your eleven on each side. It's just,

831
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: you know, just like only having three backup offensive linemen

832
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: going into a game, and it's kind of like, well,

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00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: book market, I think, I think you're not looking at

834
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: it through the big picture perspective. If one team's got

835
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: sixty and another team's got forty, it's not just the

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00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Think about teams and rotating defensive linemen and linebackers.

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00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: You could keep guys fresh. You don't got to run

838
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: them into the ground by the time the fourth quarter

839
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,959
Speaker 1: comes around and the other team is at a huge disadvantage.

840
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: So I don't think the NFL wants to get into

841
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 1: that point. It's not so simply having the ability to

842
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: dress an extra offensive lineman. It's dressing guys that are

843
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: actually going to play on other teams. Like the Eagles

844
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: who have maybe eight or nine defensive lineman Jim Schwartz

845
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: their defensive coordinator, who used them all game long, and

846
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: then you may only have four guys and you're not

847
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: going to rotate, and you're a huge disadvantage come the

848
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. I don't think the NFL wants to go

849
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: in that direction. Yeah, but then then again, you know,

850
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: eventually they probably want to expand more more teams as well,

851
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: and that will that will really suck up all the

852
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: good players too. I think you're getting way ahead of

853
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: yourself market and appreciate the phone call, I mean, conversation different. Yeah,

854
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: I mean, and thanks again for weighing in. I mean,

855
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: we went from the Giants getting the depth chart ready

856
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: to eighteen games too roster size, to now adding new

857
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: teams and expansion. I think we've covered it all. No, Jeff,

858
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: anything else, We're not done yet. Well no, no, I

859
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: thought within this conversation, well maybe within this conversation front

860
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: that we haven't tackled, might be something else that comes

861
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: up later, like I don't know, maybe now they can

862
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: have a hundred trainers or something. That's true. Good luck

863
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: on the payroll. By the way, did you make a

864
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: good point because you know, if if one team has

865
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: the ability to dress and play a sixteen defensive backs

866
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: if you want, uh, you know, not, that's I know,

867
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: that's an exorbitan or not and the other guys only

868
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: have nine. I mean, listen, it's it's not fair. And

869
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: that's why they ross. That's why they do that. That's

870
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: why they do it. That's why they do what they do,

871
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: and that's why there's healthy scratches on days because that

872
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: guy is we can afford to have him not play

873
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: at this position because we've got to keep another guy

874
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: here because we're light on this this this position here.

875
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: So it's very difficult. I mean that the interactives are

876
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 1: are they're not that easy on games. I mean they're dames.

877
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: When we we were waiting on inactive up until the

878
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: minute when it has to be done. Remember, we're like,

879
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: we're the inactive that's done for a reason. They're sitting there,

880
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: they've got the doctors in the training room, they're they're

881
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: running test they're they're got that, they're running the guys

882
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: out on the field before they're making decisions on game

883
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: day decisions up to the minute who's gonna be active

884
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: or not active. Now, it's not all of them. I

885
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: mean usually it's a couple of guys that have to

886
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: figure out. But one guy will have fact another guy,

887
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: which will then affect another guy. So that's why sometimes

888
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: we get them so late on game day. And then

889
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: there's days when you and I scratch your head, like, really,

890
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: what happened to this guy? He was practiced all week

891
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 1: and think he seemed to be healthy and everything. So yeah,

892
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: it's just a big crap shoot what it is. Let's

893
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: head back to the phone lines. Chooser one four or

894
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: five one three Lanes Meadow. Jeff Feagles with you here

895
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 1: Wednesday's edition a Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Corps Light.

896
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: Joe is in South Plainfield. Joe, Welcome to the program.

897
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: Hi guys, how are you doing? And first of all, Jeff,

898
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: thank you for keeping it between the twenties for so

899
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: many years. I appreciate it, you know what my pleasure.

900
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 1: I wish I would have kept them between the tens.

901
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: That would have been better, but I'll take it between

902
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: your town. That's good. Thank you. Well. I was going

903
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: to talk about Eli Manning until the call there a

904
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,920
Speaker 1: couple of collars. Ago went on his ranch. So now

905
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about maybe I should change my subject. If

906
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: you want to weigh in on Eli, we're ears. I mean,

907
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: we're not going to turn your away from that. Well,

908
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: the thing is all right, say, if this slate was

909
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: white clean, I know the Giants have their loyalty to

910
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: Guy and I get it. It's the sixteen years starter

911
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: to Super Bowl MVP. I got it. You know what

912
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: if Daniel Jones goes this entire preseason and he plays

913
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: lights out and Eli really struggles. If these were just

914
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: two you know, unknown people going at it, Jones would

915
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: get the not no matter what. So if Eli Manning

916
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: does struggle, say he struggles to the rest of the

917
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: camp and the rest of the preseason, what you just

918
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: wanted to give the knot at that point? Or I

919
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: know you gave him his roster bonus and you don't

920
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: want him to s been on the bench for for

921
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: this Maning No, no, for amount of money. But the

922
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: problems the problem, well, the problem is that that's not reality.

923
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: We're not I mean, you can't have that scenario. You

924
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: can talk about all you want, but that's not the

925
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: reality of the situation, right, I mean, Eli Manning has

926
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: all the experience in the world. He's a two time

927
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,920
Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion, all the accoletes, everything you have. The

928
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 1: guy can still play football. But you know, Daniel Jones

929
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 1: is a rookie coming from Duke who has never played

930
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: in a real, live NFL football game on the regular season.

931
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: So what he's doing on the practice field and what

932
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: he's doing in the game that may be great, but

933
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not equal right now. They're not. They

934
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: can't be unless the less the coaches came out and

935
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:12,439
Speaker 1: said this is an equal competition then, but they haven't

936
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,479
Speaker 1: said that. Okay, and I remember there's plenty of times

937
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: when I've had to be up against competition with guys

938
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: coming into camp and before campus told me. They have

939
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: literally told me this is an open competition between you

940
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: and Lance and that we're going to keep the best

941
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: guy to win. Okay, Well, you know you're a veteran

942
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: jack because this happened to me later in my career

943
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: when I got up there in the age of you know, ten, twelve,

944
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: thirteen years in the league, they wanted a younger guy

945
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 1: to come in because you know what, I was making

946
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: a little bit more money than they were, and they

947
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: just wanted to have a competition and if this guy

948
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: beat me out, he was taking my job. But that's

949
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: not the case here with Eli Manning and Daniel Jones.

950
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: That that's not what we have been told that Eli

951
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: man And is the call to back. However he says

952
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: it right and that it's his job to accent. I

953
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: don't have them. I tried well. I wanted to piggyback. Also,

954
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: off of the point, Joe, that you brought up with

955
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: respect to money, I'll give an example how I don't

956
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: think money is the overwhelming element here. The Seahawks a

957
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: few years ago drafted Russell Wilson and then that all

958
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: season they went out and gave big bucks to Matt Flynn.

959
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: By the way, it was not a proven quarterback. So

960
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: here's an example of what you're talking about, Joe. He

961
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: had that what one great game for the Packers against

962
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: the Lions, first six seven touchdowns, and then the Seahawks

963
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: gave him a boatload of money. And he did have

964
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,359
Speaker 1: an elbow injury. He wasn't fully healthy in fairness during

965
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: that preseason, but Russell Wilson also outplayed him. In the

966
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 1: eyes of Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson became the staughter

967
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: and Matt Flynn got that contract that he was the backup.

968
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 1: So I really don't think the money is the motivating factor.

969
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: I think it's production. And and here's the other thing.

970
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: The coaches alone are not gonna look at the preseason

971
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: and say, this guy outplayed this guy, so therefore we're

972
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,799
Speaker 1: gonna bench the other guy. They're also taking the consideration

973
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: Eli's career, what he's done previously. Not so much the

974
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl titles. It's also the command of the offense,

975
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: how much he knows about the offense, the rapport he

976
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:02,439
Speaker 1: has with Pat Shermer. There's a lot of other things

977
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: that they wait with what Eli brings to the table.

978
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: Simply then two or three good series from Daniel Jones

979
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: versus maybe under your hypothetical Eli Manning not having those

980
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: impressive series. Great man, good point. Well, thank you so much,

981
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: You're welcome, appreciate the phone call, Thanks so much for

982
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: waiting in. You know, it's just and it's it's as

983
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: much as you want to have competition that has, it

984
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: depends on where you're at, and like in this situation,

985
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: it's it's it's people have to understand it's not going

986
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: to work that way. Um, I said it yesterday. The

987
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: only way that Eli Manning is not going to be

988
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: the starter of this team at some point in times

989
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: that he plays himself out of a starting position or

990
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 1: injury gun for Yeah, I mean, I didn't even think

991
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 1: about that because the guy has been playing I mean,

992
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: of course, and I'm not bringing it up to jinx

993
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 1: it or anything, but that's that's what I feel is

994
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: how this is going to shape. It's you know, shape

995
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: itself out. So let's head back to the phone lines.

996
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: Dave isn't cramp, Dave, Welcome the Big Blue Kick Off

997
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: Live Yo, Jeff Yo, Lance, And hey Jeff, just a

998
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: little thing if you if you're comparing yourself to competing

999
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: against Lance for a funny competence everything kind of know.

1000
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: I know that I have no saying this anyway, So

1001
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: another guy that's not gonna that's not gonna end well

1002
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: for Lance, for anyone. But just to just to change

1003
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: the topic, anyone listening should also listen to Lance on

1004
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: his other um platforms that he's on because he's worth

1005
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: worth a listen over there, which is great. So I

1006
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: guess I just wanted to throw out there two things

1007
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, listen to all the different

1008
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: callers and and all the different topics. Lance, you were

1009
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 1: a d percent right, And I hate to admit that

1010
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: I personally and many others like me, are part of

1011
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: the problem when it comes to the media coverage. I

1012
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: think that's legitimate. It's it's it's painful because of you know,

1013
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: just the way that we consume um media. And I

1014
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: think that's a legitimate point as it relates to, you know,

1015
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: sometimes the perception of the negativity. I think though, just

1016
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: to step back about the giants in this in this year,

1017
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: I think, to me, one of the things about the

1018
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: salary cap era and just the way that teams are

1019
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: right now, it would be hard for you guys to

1020
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 1: make a list and come up with ten out of

1021
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 1: thirty two teams that you don't think even have a

1022
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: chance to make the playoffs, not saying win the super Bowl,

1023
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: but get into the final six. You have a hard

1024
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: chance coming up with ten. And my point is is

1025
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: that in a parity league, it's a lot it's a

1026
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: lot quicker to make a couple adjustments to your team

1027
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: and expect to be able to turn it around and win.

1028
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: And I think that gentleman Mara Shermer. That's their mindset

1029
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: that they're not going to give away a sea And

1030
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: so the whole conversation with Daniel Jones and Eli Manning

1031
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: and money and like that, they're they're simply not going

1032
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: to give away a season because they think that, hey,

1033
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: if things break our way. Now, I would say this

1034
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: about the team. We don't have the depth that we need.

1035
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: Two things. We need a number of core players to

1036
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: step up and play better than they've played in the past.

1037
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter, Jabrill Pepper's, Marcus Golden, you know, Will Hernandez,

1038
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: you know, we need a bunch of different players to

1039
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 1: actually step up. We don't have the depth that if

1040
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: we get a run on certain injuries, that's gonna hurt us,

1041
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. So other teams, statistically, I

1042
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 1: think that's why they're talked about in a more positive

1043
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: light than the Giants. But if things break right for

1044
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: the Giants, if they stay healthy and they get production,

1045
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: I mean, no one really wants to talk about what

1046
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: the heck is say Kwang gonna look like in a

1047
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: in a year to jump when you when you're a

1048
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 1: player like him who was already freaking awesome as a

1049
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 1: as a rookie. What what does he look like in

1050
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: year two with more experience. I mean, I don't know.

1051
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: I think people are almost it's almost hard to talk about. Well.

1052
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: I think you bring up some great points, specifically about

1053
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: the turnover rate in the NFL. And I've said this

1054
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: a lot too. He used parody competitive balance. However, you

1055
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: want a word at Jeff, Yeah, John Marrow when he

1056
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,919
Speaker 1: spoke to the media. Part of where he's coming from

1057
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: is no organization. And I don't care whether or not.

1058
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: Deep down inside, they have high expectations. Jeff is ever

1059
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: going to go into a season and say, we're expecting

1060
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: to win about one or two games and we're gonna

1061
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: be fine with that. The Giants feel, Listen, they may

1062
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: not be the greatest team on paper, but they're going

1063
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: to be competitive this year. And that's why for anybody

1064
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: saying that, oh it should be so easy to just

1065
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: hand things over a rookie quarterback, they also feel Eli

1066
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: Manning at this point gives them the best chance to win. Yeah,

1067
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. He would not have. They would not have

1068
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: given him a chance to play again. They would have

1069
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: cut their lot if it was a awesome I mean,

1070
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 1: they would have said, you know what, I'm not gonna

1071
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:04,799
Speaker 1: pay the guy the millions of dollars he's gonna pay.

1072
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: They wouldn't have done it just because he's been with

1073
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: the organization is still a lot of money. They don't

1074
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: just throw money around like that for nothing. I feel like,

1075
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: um uh, Dave. One of the other things too, that

1076
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: you had mentioned about. You know, if you if a

1077
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: team stays healthy and a team and some of the

1078
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: guys could play above the XS and o's, if we

1079
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: always say that's a lot of the teams will be

1080
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: improved if any of their players stay healthy and play

1081
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: above the xs and os and the guys really learned

1082
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: to play. That is more imperative that the Giants do

1083
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: that in order to get to where they're going, because

1084
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 1: you're right, the depth is not there, but they're building

1085
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: the depth, and their depths are some very inexperienced young players.

1086
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: They may have to get put into some positions quicklier

1087
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: than others, and that's when you expect those guys to

1088
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: make a leap of you know, they really need to

1089
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: make a leap and say, hey, you know what, we

1090
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: knew this guy could play, but wow, did he really

1091
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 1: play because uh, you know, this guy got hurt and

1092
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,320
Speaker 1: he stepped in that can help this team win maybe

1093
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 1: one or two extra games, and that that would be

1094
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: amazing because that's where this team is at right now.

1095
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 1: I think if you look at next year's roster and

1096
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones if he is the quarterback, and some of

1097
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: the other depth in some of the younger guys Laurens

1098
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: their Carter as you men mentioned, and some of the

1099
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 1: younger b. J. Hills out of the world, the younger

1100
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: players that are coming into their third and fourth seasons,

1101
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: this team is going to be much better next year

1102
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: than it is this year. That's just my opinion. I

1103
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,080
Speaker 1: totally agree. And I would just leave you with this

1104
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: one thing, and that is, you know, we all focus

1105
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,399
Speaker 1: on our team during this time of year, and that's

1106
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 1: that's true. You go look at what's happening down in

1107
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: Dallas right now, and no one's talking about two big

1108
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: injuries that they're expecting to come back. One is um Prank,

1109
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: the the the d ND guy that they gave all

1110
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: the money to, They waited to pay him, and he

1111
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: didn't do surgery until April on his shoulder. It's a

1112
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: four to six months recovery. Four months is the beginning

1113
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: of the season. Six months is you know, two us

1114
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: later into the season, and then he got Ezekiel dak

1115
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: Byron Jones. They So my point is lots of teams

1116
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: around the league have issues that they're trying to deal with.

1117
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: We're not We're not unique in trying to put together

1118
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: a roster, you know, to be competitive. So I'll leave

1119
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: you guys at that appreciate the called thanks so much

1120
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: of waying in. Well, you know what happens when you're

1121
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 1: a fan of one team, and I think a lot

1122
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: of Giants fans can relate to this. Sometimes you just

1123
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: live in your own bubble, right Jeff, and you're focused

1124
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: on the Giants, But there are thirty one other teams.

1125
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 1: And I think Dave said that very well in terms

1126
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: of especially me as somebody who covers the league. You know,

1127
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: I'm extremely passionate about the NFL, so I have to

1128
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: stay on top of everybody. I try not to stay

1129
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: in the land of the Giants, even though I am

1130
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: covering this team. It's also gives you an opportunity to

1131
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: see what else is going around. And I think, as

1132
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: the caller mentioned, when you see what goes around outside

1133
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 1: of the one team, you realize, yeah, there's a lot

1134
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: of teams that can relate to one another when it

1135
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: comes to solidifying depth chart positions, overcoming injuries. One team

1136
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: is not on an island all bios. I mean, look

1137
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: at the Redskins. The last couple of years they had

1138
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: Trent Williams holding out too, but weilliam and then and

1139
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: you know, last year they were just they were decimated

1140
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: with injuries and then you know, you just got all

1141
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 1: kinds of different things going on with with different if

1142
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: you want you're right, you're not, you're in a vacuum,

1143
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: or if you know, and if you get outside of that,

1144
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: then you realize, my god, these other teams have just

1145
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: as many problems and what's going on, and it's good

1146
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: to see. You don't want to have a lot of

1147
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: those internal problems. I think that the Giants have done

1148
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: a good job at the distractions because that's what it is.

1149
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: Those are distractions. Um, they're they're constantly there. The media

1150
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: in Dallas is it's not like New York, but it's

1151
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: pretty big, and so those distractions can ruin a season,

1152
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,439
Speaker 1: especially when you have the type of distractions that you're having,

1153
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: now choose five, one, three. I want to throw out

1154
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,879
Speaker 1: some facts here about the quarterback transitions, and then we'll

1155
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: try to squeeze in another call or two. I have

1156
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 1: not fully finished my research, but I went up to

1157
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:02,720
Speaker 1: about two thousand eight, and I started this from Eli

1158
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: Manning's rookie year. And what I'm interested to see is

1159
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: how rare is it? How crazy is it is, Jeff

1160
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: to draft a quarterback in the first round and then

1161
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: have the quarterbacks six or what the other rationalies as

1162
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: to why the first round pick took over. Now, let

1163
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: me ask you a question, So are you going to

1164
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: do even further than two thoush I'm going all the

1165
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: way up to so I'm gonna have time to because

1166
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, I got to look up because I'm interested

1167
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: to see the difference between two thousand and four up

1168
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: to two thousand and eight four or five six, and

1169
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,439
Speaker 1: that five years span opposed to what people think now

1170
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: because in today's era, meaning the philosophy like these guys

1171
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: should play because you know what the quarterbacks you draft him?

1172
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: Now most of them did you know not? And so

1173
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:44,759
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just curious to see it. And I know

1174
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: we want to be able to see it today, But

1175
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: I'm just curious to see what it will be in

1176
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:51,359
Speaker 1: the ladder of your research opposed to this, if it's

1177
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,759
Speaker 1: become more popular to put the gas, That's what I'm saying.

1178
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: By fire. No, I think that's a fair observation. But

1179
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 1: here's what I found so far. Okay, So if we

1180
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: go back to OH four, all up Rivers did not

1181
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: start until his third year in the NFL, and I'm

1182
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: going by start. Some of these guys got appearances, you know,

1183
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: garbage time alongsided game. For example, Rivers got into two

1184
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: games at OH four, two games at OH five, but

1185
00:56:12,960 --> 00:56:15,280
Speaker 1: he did not make his first start until OH six.

1186
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: J P. Losman is the forgotten child out of that

1187
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,839
Speaker 1: quarterback class. Now I don't care what became of the quarterback, Jeff.

1188
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: That's not the point of this exercise, because we don't

1189
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: know what's gonna become of Daniel Jones when exactly so.

1190
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: J P. Losman was a first round pick Buffalo had

1191
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: drew bledsoe, okay, you got an establish. Losman appeared in

1192
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: four games this first year. He did not start until

1193
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: OH five. So he and Philip Rivers are two quarterbacks

1194
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 1: out of that class. Did not start a game as rookies.

1195
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: Now here's the kicker, Ben Roethlisberger. People forget about this.

1196
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:53,680
Speaker 1: He did take over week three as the starter the Steelers,

1197
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,360
Speaker 1: and I went back and I confirmed this. Pittsburgh's mindset

1198
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: was Ben's gonna be benched for the entire rookie year.

1199
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: We have no intent of starting it. They had a

1200
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:08,800
Speaker 1: guy named Tommy Maddox, veteran quarterback. Maddox gets hurt week two,

1201
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 1: third quarter of that game, so Roethlisberger is forced to

1202
00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 1: come in, and then what happens the following week. He

1203
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: takes over as the starter, and the rest is history.

1204
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: That's important context, Jeff, because the exactly but it goes

1205
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: back to what you and I were speculating about Eli Manning. Okay,

1206
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: so that's why I'm throwing it out for Ben Roethlisberger. Okay,

1207
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: let's go to O five. Alex Smith. He appeared in

1208
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: nine games, he started seven games, but it was a

1209
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: game of musical chairs. It was in and out all

1210
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: throughout his rookie year. But he classifies as a guy

1211
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,160
Speaker 1: that was thrown into the mix. That's fair. Jason Campbell,

1212
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: how many times do people bring up Jason but Jason

1213
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,880
Speaker 1: Camble was the first round pick two thousand five, no

1214
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 1: appearances in two thousand five. He also was a guy

1215
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: that watched on the sideline. He didn't. Let's take it

1216
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: a step further, Jeff, he did not make his first

1217
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: start till week eleven in two thousand six. You know why,

1218
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: they had Mark Brunel and they had a Trick Ramsey

1219
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: on that games later. So you had two Venteran quarterbacks

1220
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to bring into the conversation who was

1221
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: on the roster to show you when veterans are there,

1222
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: there's not always the rush. Two thousand six, Vince Young.

1223
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: Kerry Collins started the first few games. Then Vince Young

1224
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 1: took over and that was based on my research. That

1225
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 1: was not an injury, that was just Kerry Collins struggling

1226
00:58:21,840 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 1: and Tennessee going in a different direction. Fifteen games for

1227
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: Vince Young, thirteen starts Matt Leiner. You had Kurt Warner

1228
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 1: there in Arizona, twelve games, eleven starts. Warner was essentially

1229
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: bench for Matt Liner. They went in a different direction.

1230
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 1: Jake Cutler, this is a very interesting one. This is

1231
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 1: actually similar to the Giants and OH four, Jeff Jake

1232
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,360
Speaker 1: Cutler was drafted in the first round, and OH six

1233
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: they had a guy Jake Plummer. Broncos get off to

1234
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: a seven and fourth start. Mike Shanahan makes a similar

1235
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: decision that Tom Coughlin did. Now the Giants were five

1236
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: and four, the Broncos were seven and four. I mean,

1237
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: they're knocking on the door of the postseason, and he says, hey,

1238
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: I want to go in the direction to Jake Cutler,

1239
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: who starts the last five games and ultimately missed the playoffs.

1240
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: So that was similar to Eli Manning OH seven. JaMarcus Russell,

1241
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: he only made one start. I mean that it is

1242
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: barely Yeah, well, the rest of his career, they had

1243
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: Josh mccowna Dante Culpepper. So I would consider JaMarcus Russell

1244
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: as a guy that sat essentially his first whole season.

1245
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're gonna tell people. Look at

1246
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: what happened to Russell, that's not important in this conversation.

1247
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: Brady Quinn got into one game, no starts in OH seven.

1248
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: He did not make his first start until Week ten

1249
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 1: and two thousand and eight because they had Derek Anderson

1250
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: and OH eight, Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco both started

1251
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: from the get go. I'm gonna finish my research. I'll

1252
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: certainly report back to everybody. But I thought that was

1253
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 1: interesting that. I mean, that's about five or six quarterbacks

1254
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: right there, Jeff that sat as spectators, yeah, or more,

1255
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: you know. And then you got into two thousand eight.

1256
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: Right off the bat, these two guys, Ryan and Flacco

1257
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:55,920
Speaker 1: were throwing UM. So yeah, I mean, and again I

1258
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: think it's more it's of a sexy thing to do

1259
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: now that when you drafted the number one guy, you

1260
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: put him in, you know, but look at Baker Mayfield.

1261
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: He didn't go in either, you know. I mean he

1262
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: got put in again later on um, and he was

1263
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: pretty he was pretty tyrod Taylor's presented that if he

1264
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: doesn't get hurt, you know, we don't know. And I

1265
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: should also mention Aaron Rodgers on this list, by the way,

1266
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: to it for good three years. I failed to mention

1267
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: it three years behind Bread. So you know, that is

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Speaker 1: at least some important context to add to the conversation

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Speaker 1: for those of you who are speculating when the transition

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Speaker 1: is going to take place. All right, that is gonna

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Speaker 1: wrap things up for us here on the latest edition,

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Speaker 1: of Big Blue ke golf love. Oh I'm sorry, I

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Speaker 1: take that back. We actually have somebody on the phone lines,

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Speaker 1: Charlie and yeah, we were about to wrap up the program. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what's happening. Hey, So glad that we can make time

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Speaker 1: for you. There's such clear air and clear water up

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Speaker 1: in the Poconos and such clarity. Thank you caller, call again,

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Speaker 1: many many times. Yeah, you're three member fan club for

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Speaker 1: your family. It's nice to know that you're related to

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Speaker 1: Dan and the Poconos. I didn't know. Now you got

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Speaker 1: your family members calling in. Kudos to you. Yeah. Hey, hey,

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Speaker 1: I did a little research on the steric flowers and

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Speaker 1: you wanted me to come up with some some facts.

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Speaker 1: You guys ready, We're ready. The two thousand fifteen right,

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Speaker 1: the Golden Child was draft. What happened? He was supposed

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01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: to play right tackle and Mr will Beati got injured

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01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,960
Speaker 1: with a peck muscle and instead of bringing in a

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Speaker 1: veteran to play left tackle and stay with their plans,

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01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: they decided to put him at left tackle. Big mistake

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Speaker 1: in two thousands fifteen, these were the free agents that

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Speaker 1: they could have gone. No, no no, this is no, no no, no, no, Charlie, No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you're moving the goal post. No no, see this is

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Speaker 1: not you are no, no, no, when you called I

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Speaker 1: am going to defend Jeff till the very end here, okay,

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Speaker 1: and has got nothing to do with our relationship and

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Speaker 1: our alliance here, because you're wrong here, I specifically question no, Jack,

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Speaker 1: Charlie on the rock at the time. That was that

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Speaker 1: was the counter argument was Eric Flowers, okay, left tackle, Okay,

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Speaker 1: on the team, on the team, on the actually on

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Speaker 1: the team roster was Brandon Stingley. He was a veteran tackle. No,

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Speaker 1: he had started for the Titans the next year, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and clearly was also on the team at that time.

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Speaker 1: Who was a better tackle than Eric Flowers? Now you

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Speaker 1: get the two thousand sixteen, guess who else was on

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Speaker 1: the team will be? He was brought back, he should

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Speaker 1: have started. He was better than okay. And also there

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Speaker 1: was Nick Becton was on the team, was on the team.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, now, you're just mentioning guys that are on

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Speaker 1: the team. Dare you really thinking that those are better

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Speaker 1: than Eric Flowers? Just the names you mentioned, and I'd

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Speaker 1: love to hear the research. Is the research, right, Charlie,

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Speaker 1: give me one factual statement that proves your opinion, because

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Speaker 1: let's face it, it's all opinion that those are better

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Speaker 1: offensive linem than Eric Flowers. Because Eric Flowers was rated

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Speaker 1: the worst offensive line and here he created more penalties

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Speaker 1: than any other tackle in the league. And where was it?

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Speaker 1: And I want to where was Clearys ranking? Though? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, you guys, are you know I am right

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Speaker 1: on this? No, I don't know. You're right. It's course tackle.

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Speaker 1: In the end, f Charlie and anybody else would have

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Speaker 1: been better than him, some more guys. Okay, two thousand seventeen,

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Speaker 1: we could have had Andrew Whitworth. Remember that we didn't

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Speaker 1: get him. It's the hypothetical game. Now, see Charlie likes

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Speaker 1: to play. This is the fairy tale section of the program.

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Speaker 1: Were a hundred people tackles better than Eric Flowers? And

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Speaker 1: after and why didn't we ended up with three offensive

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Speaker 1: line coaches tool and quit? Why did they quit? Because

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Speaker 1: they couldn't deal with Eric Flowers. They didn't want him

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Speaker 1: on the team and they didn't think he could play.

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Speaker 1: Look upstairs said you gotta play, and they said, well

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Speaker 1: you're gone. Then if you can't teach this guy, what

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Speaker 1: offensive line coaches quit, by the way, just out of curiosity.

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Speaker 1: All they got fired. See how Charlie twist Nobody twists

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Speaker 1: the facts. Charlie. We're gonna let you go on a

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Speaker 1: hind note because you want to. Because we're running out

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Speaker 1: of time, Charlie. The phone connection is is running out here.

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Speaker 1: You're using up our bandwidth on giants dot com. It's

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Speaker 1: very valuable. Here they go from they were let go

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Speaker 1: to now we got to clarify they were fired. I'm

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Speaker 1: just curious to see if any of those names that

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Speaker 1: you mentioned they were better than Eric Flowers at the time,

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Speaker 1: are still in the league. Probably not. Don't give him

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Speaker 1: food for thought. He could, he could look it up

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Speaker 1: and tell us who else is in the league and

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Speaker 1: who when I know what he's gonna say, Eric Flowers

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be in the league, Jeff, he shouldn't be in

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Speaker 1: the league, but he is. Well. But in all series,

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Speaker 1: this is Eric Flowers is in the league compared to

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Speaker 1: all of those guys that he named. Though. That's my point.

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Speaker 1: That's what I was eating saying. Well, I mean, but

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Speaker 1: they were better than them. Yeah, But the Charlie system

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Speaker 1: of America outside and try to get guys that weren't

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Speaker 1: even on the team when we said mentioned the guys

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Speaker 1: that are on the team that were better than Eric Flowers,

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Speaker 1: And I mean, you came up with some names, but

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Speaker 1: it's a judgment. You think that m mc cleary was

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Speaker 1: better than Derek Flowers. I know you do, but obviously

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Speaker 1: the team didn't. There was a reason why I did

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Speaker 1: not want to take that last phone call, So I

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Speaker 1: blame it on our production here reminding me that he

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Speaker 1: was on the line. See that's why you guys have

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Speaker 1: to hang around a few extra minutes. Don't blame me

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Speaker 1: after the program. A reminder, Big Blue Kickoff Live is

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Speaker 1: presented by cores Light. We'll be back up and running

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Speaker 1: tomorrow at one pm Eastern as we continue to get

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Speaker 1: you set for the second preseason Bears Into the Bears

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Speaker 1: and the Giants of the Bears. Game is going to

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Speaker 1: be a seven thirty five pm Eastern kickoff Friday. Jeff

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Speaker 1: and I will have the pregame show starting at six

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Speaker 1: thirty five pm Eastern on w f A N six

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Speaker 1: sixty am, and we will be outside MetLife Stadium by

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Speaker 1: the way, at the MetLife game with our pre game.

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Speaker 1: If you are at the game and you want to

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01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,840
Speaker 1: stop by. Everyone's invited except Charlie and Portland, Maine. Hopefully

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: he will not be coming to the game anyway. With

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Speaker 1: that being said, we appreciate all the phone calls. We'll

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Speaker 1: try to get to some of your tweets off the air.

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Speaker 1: For Jeff Feagles, I'm Lance Meadow and Joy the rest

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Speaker 1: of yours really stay locked to giants dot com. I

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Speaker 1: have a go one