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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Senator Rand Paul says FCC chairs

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Speaker 1: comments threatening ABC were absolutely inappropriate and they will. We

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Speaker 1: have such a great show for you today. The Lincoln

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Speaker 1: Project's own Rick Wilson joins us to talk about the

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Speaker 1: insane accusations of bribery against Tom Holman. Then we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to the Eurasia Group's own Ian Bremmer about how trump

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Speaker 1: reckless monetary policy is playing out on the world stage.

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Speaker 1: But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So Mally, we are seeing Disney tick a major hits

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Speaker 2: their stock, which pill by about two percent after their suspension.

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Speaker 3: Jimmy, come on.

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Speaker 1: You know, I really wanted to talk about this with

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Speaker 1: you because pushback war okay, and people sold their Disney stock.

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Speaker 1: There are protests outside of Disney. I saw something online

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Speaker 1: where someone was saying, like, they don't expect the Disney

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Speaker 1: is to work, and you know what, guess what they

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Speaker 1: did work? And you know why they worked. And this

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Speaker 1: is like the most important thing when you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this podcast and you're feeling upset about what's happening, right

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Speaker 1: now in this country, about the attacks on free speech

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Speaker 1: and the ice facilities and the people being disappeared in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the night. I'm telling you you should know,

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Speaker 1: you guys have a lot more power than you think

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Speaker 1: you do. And autocrats want you to feel powerless. But

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Speaker 1: there's nothing to feel powerless about. They canceled Jimmy Kimmel,

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Speaker 1: and you know what happened. People are pushing back. By

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Speaker 1: the way, this is a disaster for them. And again,

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Speaker 1: like you just have to keep pushing back, even the

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Speaker 1: dogs really mount you to push back. None of this

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Speaker 1: is a feed accomplate. Every inch matters. The more that

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Speaker 1: people push back peacefully, the better, and that's what we're

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Speaker 1: seeing here. Look, you have to make it more expensive

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Speaker 1: for these companies to screw the consumer over, to screw

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Speaker 1: you guys over, than it is to fight with Trump.

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Speaker 1: And so that's what is happening now. We have Abs

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Speaker 1: is stuck between are they going to roll over for Trump,

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Speaker 1: which they think is the cheaper option, or are they

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Speaker 1: going to do the right thing. And if consumers tell

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Speaker 1: them to do the right thing, they will. And remember

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Speaker 1: if Target just had the same experience, they rejected all

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Speaker 1: of woke and you know what happened. Their numbers went

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Speaker 1: way down and their earnings went way down. So you

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Speaker 1: have power in your dollar, you have power in your protest,

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Speaker 1: you have power in your vote and voter registration. You

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Speaker 1: have a lot of power. And Trump world wants you

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Speaker 1: to think you don't have power, but you absolutely do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of which, Chicago is a place where we've seen

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Speaker 2: a lot of that, and ICE plans to evacuate their

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Speaker 3: They are getting thrown around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, really terrible. Look, peaceful protests work. It's scary.

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Speaker 1: This is a really scary moment right now. But there

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Speaker 1: are more people who want America to be not crazy

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Speaker 1: then there are the people who want whatever this sort

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Speaker 1: of terrifying Steven Miller vision is. So just know that

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Speaker 1: and know that the Trump people are not organized. They're

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Speaker 1: doing a lot of stuff that's illegal. That's why they

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Speaker 1: keep losing in court. You don't have to cave to

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Speaker 1: illegal actors. You can push back in a peaceful way

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Speaker 1: and it works. And that's what we're seeing in Chicago,

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Speaker 1: by the way, important. Remember Trump wanted to send the

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Speaker 1: Federal Guard into Chicago and now he's not. And remember

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Speaker 1: federalized the Guard. He sent the National Guard into California

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Speaker 1: and it was deemed illegal. And so I do think

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Speaker 1: it's important. Remember like pushback works. Princeker is a great

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Speaker 1: example of how pushback works. And I'm really heartened to

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Speaker 1: happening with Kimmel. These are the ways, these are the

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Speaker 1: things that worked in twenty sixteen. This is the way

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Speaker 1: to peacefully resist. This is the way to not lose

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Speaker 1: our institutions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, here's more good news.

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Speaker 2: I'm shocked there's so much of it since I now

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Speaker 2: it's been a week.

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Speaker 1: Really has been a bad way. God go on.

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Speaker 2: Fortune magazine has a really interesting article by Jeffrey Sonenfeld,

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Speaker 2: who's a founder of the Yale Chief Executive Leadership Institute,

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Speaker 2: And they say, behind closed doors, our top CEOs say

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Speaker 2: Trump is bad for business, and they're getting fed up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is really, I think important because everything

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Speaker 1: Trump is doing is really is ridiculous. Crony capitalism is

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Speaker 1: not capitalism, turning America into Argentina. Argentina is not the

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Speaker 2: But their president has such cool hair. Molly, I don't

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Speaker 2: know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And I think it's important. Look, the Ft

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Speaker 1: had a really good graph about how the value of

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Speaker 1: the dollars since Trump has taken office has gone down

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Speaker 1: and down, and Danna, Dad, and that's because people don't

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Speaker 1: have faith in our economy, because they don't have faith

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Speaker 1: And you've seen other Republicans speak out against this. This

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Speaker 1: I think like a great example of how poorly thought

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Speaker 1: Trump made this announcement about the H one B visas.

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Speaker 1: It's not thought out, it's not necessarily legal, it's going

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Speaker 1: to get challenged in court, and it's just like everything else,

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Speaker 1: like the tariffs, right, those tariffs were waiting around to

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Speaker 1: see what the Supreme Court does on the tariffs. Again,

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Speaker 1: tariff's being challenged by conservatives, by the surviving Koch brother

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Speaker 1: Trump is so bad for the economy that even Republicans,

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Speaker 1: the people who are supposed to be maga, are rebelling.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's a really good sign of how

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Speaker 1: untenable this situation is.

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Speaker 2: Hard to agree. A lot of people are reading this

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Speaker 2: Trump truth as if he was trying to send a

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Speaker 2: DM to Pam Bondi and accidentally put it on me.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious, Abouali, do you buy this theory?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's funny because I was on television

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Speaker 1: I forgot that we used to do this. So I

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Speaker 1: try to interpret Trump. I don't know. I mean the

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Speaker 1: fact that we're even trying to interpret someone. Like in

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Speaker 1: a normal administration, if a president did this, everyone would

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Speaker 1: be like he needs to be impeached.

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Speaker 2: So for those not in the know, he basically wrote

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Speaker 2: what looks like a DM to Pambondy, basically saying, you

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Speaker 2: need to start putting my.

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Speaker 1: Enemies for my enemies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm tired of waiting, basically as one does.

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Speaker 2: And you know it, like whether he did that or not,

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Speaker 2: you are correct that like this is a silly thing

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Speaker 2: for us to discuss, because the real problem is with

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Speaker 2: the meat of the sandwiches, not what the crust on

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Speaker 2: the bread is, which is this is a really, really

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Speaker 2: scary authoritarian escalation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Trump wanting to prosecute his political enemies.

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Speaker 1: By the way, again, I just want to pause. He

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Speaker 1: was running for president. Everyone's like, well, you're not going

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Speaker 1: I am remember that. I mean, Like, the great thing

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Speaker 1: I mean, except sometimes when he lies, like when he

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Speaker 1: So look, he wants Bondie to prosecute his political enemies.

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Speaker 1: The fundamental problem is that Trump wants to do a

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Speaker 1: lot of stuff, a lot of it's not legal. He's

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Speaker 1: going to come into collision with his Supreme Court sooner

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Speaker 1: rather than later, probably sooner. And you know it's also

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Speaker 1: Part of what's happening here is that a lot of

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Speaker 1: these people don't want to do this stuff because they

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Speaker 1: don't see the evidence. And I think it's easier to say,

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Speaker 1: like prosecute my political enemies. It's a little harder to

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Speaker 1: people are trying to figure out what is it worth

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Speaker 1: to them to follow what Donald Trump blonds them to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Malli, I was told, mister Trump, he really

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Speaker 2: cares about the farmers.

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Speaker 3: They're big, beautiful farmers.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the biggest, the most beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, that's what I was told to chet Well.

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Speaker 2: According to this new reportant writers of Republicans are conflicted

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Speaker 2: between loyalty to constituents. Are Trump and the farmers are

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Speaker 2: basically saying, we're out of money, chief, and you better

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Speaker 2: start paying that.

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Speaker 1: We need age, we need subsidies, subsidies for farmers, subsidies

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Speaker 1: for everyone who's not the arts or newspapers. Look, this

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Speaker 1: is again, all of this stuff is so. All of

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Speaker 1: Trump's economic ideas are terrible. He's going into a trade war,

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Speaker 1: which is, we need these other countries to buy our stuff,

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, he did this last time where

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Speaker 1: There's a farm bell. I mean, I know that no

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Speaker 1: for USAID. I mean, you'll remember USAID, which was the

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Speaker 1: a rounding error in the American budget. Can be prouder

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Speaker 1: to be an American right now, just so disgusting. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, Trump has no plans to

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Speaker 1: you know, I just want to talk about one thing

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Speaker 1: for a minute. There is right now Congress is hurtling

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Speaker 1: people who made themselves com completely irrelevant by just going

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Speaker 1: along to get along with Donald Trump. Democrats have a

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Speaker 1: chance to extract something from Trump.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be something big. I

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer has this idea that he can get Trump

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Speaker 1: to extend these payments for Obamacare subsidies so that the

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Speaker 1: that's a mistake. I don't think Republicans are going to

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Speaker 1: give that to Democrats, and I also think that if

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Speaker 1: of these people voted for this, They voted for higher

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Speaker 1: Obamacare premiums. So this is what I'm going to say.

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Speaker 1: I think that Democrats should try to get subpoena power.

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Speaker 1: I think they should try to get some kind of

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Speaker 1: trade where they can hold hearings that they can subpoena people,

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Speaker 1: almost all their power. So if Democrats have subpoena power,

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Speaker 6: Oh, Molly John Fast, good to see you again. So always,

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Speaker 1: Right, Tom Holman, you may know him as the.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so the guy who runs jailing everybody from congressional

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Speaker 6: It turns out that the FBI, undercover FBI agents offered

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Speaker 4: And technically bribery is still illegal, hypothetically unless you're a

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I I will just say this make I

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Speaker 6: they definitely positively never consider Merrit Garland for any role. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Molly, listen, I mean if if Bob Iger, who before

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Speaker 6: It's paved with merger merger ambitions. And look, I think

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Speaker 5: Here's the thing, the H one b visas.

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Speaker 6: Larry Ellison, Yeah, Jeff.

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Speaker 1: Larry Ellison's doing better on this.

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Speaker 6: All of these people H one B visa workers make

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Speaker 6: up a meaningful fraction of their employees.

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Speaker 1: And one of the biggest users of H one absolutely.

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Speaker 6: And you know who else uses H one B visas,

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump, Right, an awful lot of the hospitality workers

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Speaker 6: he has at mar A Lago and Bedminster and these

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Speaker 6: other clubs and these other buildings are here on H

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Speaker 6: one B visas and Andy. Yeah, and H one B

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Speaker 6: visa costs five thousand dollars too, right now, that seems

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Speaker 6: like a lot, but it's not that much for company,

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Speaker 6: for most companies, But one hundred thousand dollars means that

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Speaker 6: Trump will have them in his pocket and say, Okay,

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Speaker 6: you're gonna have to either pay me a bribe or

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Speaker 6: or or your company is going to buy into my

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Speaker 6: crypto or whatever ever scam of the week he's running.

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Speaker 6: And it's also and I know, I know this is

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Speaker 6: going to upset the magas, but an awful lot of

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Speaker 6: people who come to this country on H one B

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Speaker 6: visus meaningfully contribute to our economy. They pay taxes here.

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Speaker 6: It's also going to blow a hole in the economy.

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Speaker 6: And it's just nuts. We're gonna and we're gonna send

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Speaker 6: very talented scientists and computer science folks and medical researchers

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Speaker 6: to China. That's where they're going to go. They're going

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Speaker 6: to go.

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Speaker 5: To China, right.

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Speaker 1: But I also think it's important to realize here that

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Speaker 1: when this presidential proclamation was proclamation was issued, there was

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Speaker 1: so much confusion that different companies send emails to their

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Speaker 1: employees like, don't leave the country, get back as soon

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Speaker 1: as you can there and it's going to be like

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Speaker 1: a nightmare on airports. And also it's probably not legal,

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Speaker 1: and so it's going to get overturned in court. So

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Speaker 1: it's like, this is like I feel like it's such

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Speaker 1: a great example of trump Ism. It's like it is

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Speaker 1: like banana or public staff.

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Speaker 6: I can tell you that the chaos it's causing is

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Speaker 6: amateur hour and stupid in every way, but it is

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Speaker 6: causing a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 6: Again, the MAGA folks think, oh, if if foreigners are afraid,

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Speaker 6: it must be good. But it's cllling a lot of

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Speaker 6: fear and chaos in disruption. There will be an economic

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Speaker 6: ripple effect on this because they're stupid. These people who

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Speaker 6: are doing this are stupid. And again, if you want

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Speaker 6: to help China become the dominant economic power in the world,

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Speaker 6: this is how you do it. You can talented people

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Speaker 6: who want to come to America and do research and

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Speaker 6: do work and pay taxes, and who are here legally

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Speaker 6: because I remember this is also Reveal's part of the

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Speaker 6: Maga LIAI oh, legal immigration as fuck.

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Speaker 5: No, it's not. No, they don't like it.

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 6: This is what they're trying to do. And I got

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Speaker 6: to tell you my part Renee, my fiance. She's got

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Speaker 6: scientists from all over the world who are now paralyzed.

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Speaker 6: They're like, I can't go home, I can't come back.

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Speaker 6: What the hell do I do?

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Speaker 1: Right, we're already seeing the numbers right that the economy

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Speaker 1: is not the economy it was nine months ago. We

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Speaker 1: see the tariffs, We saw the Bureau of Large of

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Speaker 1: Farm Labor Statistics just delayed.

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Speaker 6: Were going to talk about inflation and maybe it'll just

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Speaker 6: go right, And.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, you don't. If the last head of

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Speaker 1: the bureau got fired for bad numbers and then you

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Speaker 1: decide not to release numbers, that's probably because those numbers

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Speaker 1: are not great.

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Speaker 6: I am guessing if inflation had dropped significantly. They would

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Speaker 6: be having a ribbon cutting ceremony, they'd be setting off fireworks,

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Speaker 6: they would have been to sea. I told you so,

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Speaker 6: blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: And part of trump ISM's obsession right now, Trump's obsession

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Speaker 1: with crime, right His obsession with crime, his obsession was

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Speaker 1: rolling in the National Guard to different cities, is because

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Speaker 1: he thinks crime is a winner for him and he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have anything else because he's underwater. Talk to me

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Speaker 1: about those polls.

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Speaker 6: Oh my god, listen, my son Andrew is a brilliant

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Speaker 6: young poster and about a month ago he says to me,

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Speaker 6: I think we're at the bottom.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how he goes.

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Speaker 6: Any lower than this. On the economy, in particular, Trump

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Speaker 6: is now so far underwater on the economy, it's twe

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Speaker 6: He's twenty seven percent negative on inflation and crisis.

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Speaker 1: And that was his big winner. That was the thing

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Speaker 1: where he might have been. People didn't like this, they

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Speaker 1: didn't like that, but they always thought he was a better, a.

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Speaker 6: Good businessman, he understood the economy, and he's upside down

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Speaker 6: on everything.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 6: Fifty one percent of Republicans have a negative or very

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Speaker 6: negative view of the economy. I mean he is, and

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Speaker 6: his approval ratings now are in the mid th thirties,

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Speaker 6: mid to high thirties. And if you if you look

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Speaker 6: at the correlation of Trump's approval and the economic numbers,

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Speaker 6: it is very strong, and it is going down very quickly.

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Speaker 3: Nothing.

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Speaker 6: Nothing, There are no upside numbers. About a month ago,

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Speaker 6: he was still net favorable on protecting the border, right,

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Speaker 6: even that's underwater. Now the whole thing is collapsing. And

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Speaker 6: this is why I tell Democrats, do not be afraid

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Speaker 6: now to confront him. Eventually, eventually even his Republican you

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Speaker 6: know minions in the House and Senate, they're going to

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Speaker 6: have to run for the exits at some point. Go,

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Speaker 6: I got to protect myself.

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Speaker 3: Boss.

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Speaker 1: When you watch these companies cave to him, you have

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Speaker 1: to realize, like, and I think Target is a great example.

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Speaker 1: So Target went anti DEI because whatever, and now their

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Speaker 1: numbers are way down. This is not rockets ions, Like,

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Speaker 1: people don't like this, it's not popular.

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Speaker 6: None of the things that he's doing outside of the

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Speaker 6: MAGA base itself, and even inside the MAGA base, a

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Speaker 6: lot of them are no longer. The the crime stuff,

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Speaker 6: the racism stuff, the populism stuff that's still pretty much

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Speaker 6: worse with the base. But there's a problem he's gonna

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Speaker 6: have any that he's already having. And the reason that

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Speaker 6: negative economic number of even Republicans saying they're unhappy is

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Speaker 6: because it's not spinnable. When you're in the grocery store.

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Speaker 6: When that maga mom who may who may not love

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Speaker 6: wokeness is in Target or Walmart, or or the gas

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Speaker 6: station or the grocer, those numbers are real. She's gonna

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Speaker 6: have to pay those or the man's going to fill

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Speaker 6: his tank at five bucks a gallon instead of the

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Speaker 6: promised dollar eighty five or whatever.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all of it.

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Speaker 6: Eventually, even Trump's bullshit machine collide, is collides with reality,

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Speaker 6: and it's colliding really ugly in the polling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I think that's a really good point.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we're seeing, and that's why these companies

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Speaker 1: need to stop being fucking cowards.

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Speaker 6: Yes, correct, correct.

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Speaker 1: Wilson, Yes, Mary, will you come back?

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Speaker 3: You know I will every time.

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Speaker 1: Ian Brema is the president of the Erasure Group. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics, Ian Brema.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, Molly John Fast. It's so nice to see you.

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Speaker 1: It's very nice to see you. You know, there was

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Speaker 1: international strife and I thought, who could I talk to

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Speaker 1: about this? And especially the story that I think really

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Speaker 1: is the story that I think is a huge story

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Speaker 1: that's just not being covered right now, which is the

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Speaker 1: incredible fracas with the electric car company plant in Georgia.

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Speaker 5: Oh, the South Korea situation.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean it's an important story. I wouldn't

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Speaker 7: consider it the most important story.

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Speaker 5: It's embarrassing.

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Speaker 7: It hurts their relations with an ally, but that is

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Speaker 7: kind of part of the course these.

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Speaker 1: Days, right, So do go through micro macro what you

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Speaker 1: feel like the world is looking like right now.

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Speaker 7: I just came from Washington literally a few hours ago,

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Speaker 7: and when you look at all the National Guard troops

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Speaker 7: that are there, we have to recognize the reason it's

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Speaker 7: not like setting in la or Memphis or Chicago is

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Speaker 7: because this is where all of the embassies of the

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Speaker 7: world are sending. You know, in many cases, they're most important,

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Speaker 7: they're most capable ambassadors.

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Speaker 5: They've got massive staff, and.

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Speaker 7: They're all reporting back on what's happening in the US

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Speaker 7: and in Washington. And you know, my meetings with those people,

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Speaker 7: they're kind of freaked out right, they're kind of thinking, wow,

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Speaker 7: this is it's a very unpredictable environment in the US.

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Speaker 7: Increasingly you have an unreliable government and leadership that we

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Speaker 7: can't count on, and it seems like your president is

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Speaker 7: not really interested in rule of law and checks and

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Speaker 7: balances on the executive and if you're trying to make

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Speaker 7: your country into a one party state, how should we

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Speaker 7: react to that? So, I mean, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 7: suggesting that they're panicked. I'm not suggesting that this is

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Speaker 7: the end of you know, American power. I don't think

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Speaker 7: the US.

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Speaker 5: Is particularly in structural decline.

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Speaker 7: I don't believe that, but I certainly think that the

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Speaker 7: US is doing incredible long term damage with relations with

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Speaker 7: so many friends, so many countries around the world, and

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Speaker 7: it's completely unnecessary.

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Speaker 5: That to me, is what the state of the world

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Speaker 5: feels like right now.

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Speaker 1: I think that's right, and I've certainly seen reporting that

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Speaker 1: bears that out. A good example is there was, you know,

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Speaker 1: this reporting from New York magazine about these fashion reporters

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Speaker 1: who came to New York for fashion Week, and we're

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Speaker 1: saying that it's like going to Russia or China, which

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Speaker 1: is such a shocking phrase, but I think it speaks

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Speaker 1: to the anxiety. Now, obviously it's not like going to

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Speaker 1: Russia or China or here are doing a podcast, so

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Speaker 1: obviously it's not Russia or China. I think they're sort

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Speaker 1: of this anxiety is too prong. There's the anxiety of

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Speaker 1: the anxiety, and then they're sort of the reality, which

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Speaker 1: is also pretty anxious. Making Why do you think that

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Speaker 1: the troops are still in DC and what do you

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Speaker 1: think that has created? I mean, do you think that

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Speaker 1: has added to it?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's added to it right now. So far,

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Speaker 7: it's largely performative. They're there because they can be. He's

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Speaker 7: not I mean, in the case of DC specifically. You know,

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Speaker 7: there's no legal reason for them to have to go,

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Speaker 7: so he's not breaking the laws, not acting in an

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Speaker 7: extra constitutional manner. And my experience with those troops, and

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Speaker 7: I probably encountered at least one hundred of them over

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Speaker 7: the course of my very brief visit, I would say

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Speaker 7: they were mostly friendly, some were indifferent, none were hostile.

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Speaker 7: They were not threatening to me or to anyone else

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Speaker 7: that I saw, and mostly they didn't have anything to do.

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Speaker 7: But Trump likes them there, and his narrative is that

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Speaker 7: the country, and pockets of the country are in an

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Speaker 7: emergency with criminality that you've never seen before.

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Speaker 5: It's chaos. You're going to lose your country unless I

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Speaker 5: do this.

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Speaker 7: And of course that helps this broader point of I

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Speaker 7: am protecting you against the enemy, and the enemy is

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Speaker 7: the other.

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Speaker 5: Side and by far the most I mean, we've.

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Speaker 7: Got to talk about this briefly, although you want to

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Speaker 7: talk about foreign policy. But the Charlie Kirk thing, and

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Speaker 7: you know, it was such a horrible act, such a

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Speaker 7: despicable act, that's going to make our country far more

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Speaker 7: dangerous to assassinate this young man. But the fact that

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Speaker 7: the president of the United States, the fairly elected president

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Speaker 7: of the uniedaate it's my president.

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Speaker 5: Your president came out before we knew.

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Speaker 7: Who had killed this guy, before we had any motive,

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Speaker 7: and said, I know that it is the left that

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Speaker 7: is responsible for this. Is the most uncautionably, irresponsible, unaccountable,

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Speaker 7: non leaderly thing that I have ever seen a president

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Speaker 7: engage in in.

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Speaker 5: The United States.

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Speaker 7: That's obviously meant to help to facilitate his attacks against

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Speaker 7: one side of the political equation in the US, which

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Speaker 7: he considers the enemy. That is no way to run

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Speaker 7: a democracy and it's not sustainable.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, right now, I think the big thing that world

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Speaker 1: leaders are not pleased with or the tariffs, because it

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Speaker 1: seems like the markets are pretty much not responding to them,

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Speaker 1: except with the bond markets and perhaps with the dollar

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Speaker 1: going down. But I wonder if you could talk to

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Speaker 1: us about Trump had a plan with tariffs they've been

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Speaker 1: or something, talk us through what people are feeling thinking

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Speaker 1: about the tariffs, and what he has.

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Speaker 5: Is a tool.

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Speaker 7: It's a principal tool of American power that he's believed

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Speaker 7: in for many decades now. And the reason I shook

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Speaker 7: my head when you said he has a plan is

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Speaker 7: because for Trump, the tariffs accomplish many different things, some

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Speaker 7: of which are contradictory. So tariffs are good to address

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Speaker 7: trade deficits that the US has. Tariffs are useful to

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Speaker 7: raise revenue in the United States.

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Speaker 5: In a deficit spend environment.

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Speaker 7: The tariffs are useful to help relocate manufacturing, investment, capital,

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Speaker 7: and jobs in the United States. The tariffs are useful

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Speaker 7: to address unfair non trade practices economically of certain countries

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Speaker 7: around the world. The tariffs are useful to address non

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Speaker 7: economic problems that Trump has with individual countries around the world. Now,

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Speaker 7: those are a lot of different reasons, most of which

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Speaker 7: have nothing to do with a national emergency, which is

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Speaker 7: the requirement for the AEPA clause that Trump used, which

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Speaker 7: is why the Supreme Court should rule against the legality

696
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Speaker 7: of him even being able to do this. But what

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Speaker 7: we're talking about, and you're right to focus on this, Molly,

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Speaker 7: because of all the things that Trump has done in

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Speaker 7: his first nine months globally, by far, the most consequential

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Speaker 7: has been to bring US tariff levels to their highest

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Speaker 7: since the nineteen thirties. Tariffs were functionally close to zero.

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Speaker 7: They're now likely to average out by the end of

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Speaker 7: the year thirteen to fifteen percent. It's a massive tax

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Speaker 7: on the American consumer. It is a significant drag on growth.

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Speaker 7: It will drive inflation. It hasn't yet because a lot

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Speaker 7: of these tariffs have only recently been put into place,

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Speaker 7: and because they were talking about it for a long time,

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Speaker 7: companies were able to get goods in place in advance

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Speaker 7: that could avoid those tariffs.

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Speaker 5: That will end and then prices will go up.

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Speaker 7: So this is I mean, if you think about Trump

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Speaker 7: having won the election in part on his management of

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Speaker 7: the economy. This is now going to be a vulnerability

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Speaker 7: that he will experience.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and again when you look at inflation, that was

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Speaker 1: really one of the secrets to his reelection, right.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and that inflation, those numbers, I feel quite strongly

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Speaker 7: over the coming six months are going to continue to

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Speaker 7: go up.

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Speaker 1: So feed is going to cut a little bit interest

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Speaker 1: rates at a moment like this, which is where inflation

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Speaker 1: is on the way up or it looks like it's

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Speaker 1: certainly on the way up for now. I mean, I know,

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Speaker 1: cutting interest rates when the economy is shaky is the move.

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Speaker 1: But when inflation seems like it's on the way up,

726
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Speaker 1: are you not supposed to do that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 7: Well, inflation isn't yet on the way up significantly. It's modest,

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Speaker 7: and oil prices are comparatively low, and that's the exception.

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Speaker 7: So it does seem to me that most economists, of

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Speaker 7: which I am not one, right, I'm a political scientist,

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Speaker 7: I'm an international relations guy, But I think consensus among

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Speaker 7: the economists now is, yeah, on balance, you'd expect a

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Speaker 7: move to reduce rates. Now, would that be the beginning

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Speaker 7: of several moves that would bring rates back to.

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Speaker 5: The levels they were before?

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Speaker 7: No, but I don't think that there's not a huge

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Speaker 7: amount of controversy around the president move that they're discussing.

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Speaker 1: The whole point of the tariffs, at least if there

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Speaker 1: is a point, is to bring manufacturing back to the

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Speaker 1: United States. I mean, I think Trump thinks it's to

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Speaker 1: punish his enemies.

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Speaker 7: There's lots of reasons, and that's one, and I think

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Speaker 7: it's one of the more stupid ones. Because only eight

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Speaker 7: percent of the US economy is manufacturing. I think only

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Speaker 7: two to three percent of the jobs in the US

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Speaker 7: of manufacturing.

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Speaker 5: Labor rates are not competitive. To bring manufacturing back.

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Speaker 7: It will certainly drive much more automation because it's the

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Speaker 7: only way you're going to be able to do it productively.

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Speaker 7: The American economy will not be driven by jobs from

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Speaker 7: the till late twentieth century. Just won't be knowledge economy.

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Speaker 7: It's a services economy. That's what we should lean into.

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Speaker 7: That's where populism is going to grow. I mean, the

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Speaker 7: jobs that are going to go away, they're not gonna

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Speaker 7: be manufacturing jobs in the next five ten years.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna be AI jobs. And those are white collar

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Speaker 5: professional jobs.

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Speaker 7: Those are university graduates, they're gonna have a very hard

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Speaker 7: time finding places to work.

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Speaker 5: Those are coders that are no longer relevant.

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Speaker 7: I mean, those sorts of things have nothing to do

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Speaker 7: with manufacturing. That is all the things that Trump is

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Speaker 7: focusing on. That to me feels like the least relevant

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Speaker 7: of his teriff arguments.

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Speaker 1: Currently in the market that AI is is much of

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Speaker 1: the gains almost all I think of the gains right now?

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Speaker 1: Do you still feel confident that this is like a

769
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Speaker 1: smart beat and not a bubble.

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Speaker 7: I don't have confidence as to share valuations because it's

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Speaker 7: not something I spend any time on.

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Speaker 1: When you think of it as a game changer, yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean, first of all, I all already see among

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Speaker 7: the Hyperscalers, the Microsofts, the Googles, the Metas, the Anthropics,

775
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Speaker 7: that these companies already have the majority of their coding

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Speaker 7: done by AI, and they believe that within six months,

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Speaker 7: twelve months, eighteen months maximum, that that's going to be

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Speaker 7: a overwhelming majority. Now it should not surprise us, Molly,

779
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Speaker 7: that the companies that are making the AI algorithms are

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Speaker 7: the ones that are.

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Speaker 5: Actually benefiting the most. First, because of course they're going

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Speaker 5: to orient towards what can we do that we can use.

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Speaker 7: Right, They're going to be the first users, so I'm

784
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Speaker 7: not surprised.

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Speaker 5: That they will benefit the most to begin with.

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Speaker 7: But I think in very short order that's going to

787
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Speaker 7: bleed over into all sorts of different spaces. And I

788
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Speaker 7: see it with so many different folks in the private

789
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Speaker 7: sector I talk to in different sectors that are developing

790
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Speaker 7: use cases that are supplementing and are replacing workers. I

791
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Speaker 7: see it in my own company, two hundred and fifty people,

792
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Speaker 7: not that big, but the use cases we have for

793
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Speaker 7: AI and every component in every corner of our firm.

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Speaker 7: It's in graphic design, and it's in editing, and it's

795
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Speaker 7: in you know, sort of research and so many different

796
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Speaker 7: area and it's in helping us compile data analytics for

797
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Speaker 7: salesforce and you name it right. And I'm not personally

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Speaker 7: involved in all of that stuff, but I see it,

799
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Speaker 7: and it's inconceivable to me that this isn't a game

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Speaker 7: changer in pretty much every sector over the coming five years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in this moment that we're in right now, what

802
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Speaker 1: are the tensions that you're watching here when it comes

803
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Speaker 1: to the world. You know, Trump was on this incredible

804
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Speaker 1: no Bel Peace Prize kick where he decided he was

805
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Speaker 1: going to solve, you know whatever, a certain number of

806
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Speaker 1: wars in a certain number of days, and what he

807
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Speaker 1: did was alien in aid India. Right, he was unable

808
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Speaker 1: to solve many wars. We still have Israel, we still

809
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Speaker 1: have Ukraine. What does the world look like now? It

810
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Speaker 1: strikes me that some of Trump's sort of strongman stuff

811
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Speaker 1: has not worked.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he has had some successes, including some successes

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Speaker 7: in wars. I would argue that he and Vance and

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Speaker 7: Rubio were useful at least that the margins and maybe

816
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Speaker 7: more than that on India Pakistan, but then wanting to

817
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Speaker 7: take credit for it, he embarrassed Mody in ways that

818
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Speaker 7: was unacceptable to the Indian Prime minister, who has an

819
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Speaker 7: inego that's almost as big as drumps. So unfortunately, you know,

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Speaker 7: I mean they kind of they did it right, and

821
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Speaker 7: then you.

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Speaker 5: Know, he undermined his relationship.

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Speaker 7: And he's also been aligning more with Pakistan for business reasons,

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Speaker 7: including personal and family business reasons, which are not what

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Speaker 7: we want to see the president do, but that's a

826
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Speaker 7: part of it. He has been useful in some other fights,

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Speaker 7: like the DRC in Rwanda, like Armenia and Azerbaijan, like

828
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Speaker 7: Thailand and Cambodia. There are real fights around the world

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Speaker 7: where I think Trump has made some positive contribution to

830
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Speaker 7: ending conflict. But the big ones, and there are two

831
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Speaker 7: that are big, which is Israel Gaza and Russia Ukraine

832
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Speaker 7: he has failed and Russia Ukraine he has actually admitted

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Speaker 7: he's used the F word. He said failure, which I

834
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Speaker 7: bet you were surprised when you heard that. Right now,

835
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Speaker 7: something Trump typically it iss, he's frustrated, he's.

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Speaker 5: Kind of angry, he's a little embarrassed.

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Speaker 7: It's a problem because, of course, what we have is

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Speaker 7: these two countries that are armed to the fricking teeth,

839
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Speaker 7: that are engaged in throwing everything they have at each

840
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Speaker 7: other in ways that could easily escalate me right now,

841
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Speaker 7: the thing that is fortunate, not fortunate for the Ukrainians,

842
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Speaker 7: by the way, not fortunate for the one million Russian casualties,

843
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Speaker 7: but fortunate for those of us sitting in the cheap

844
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Speaker 7: seats here is that that Russia Ukraine war has ground

845
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Speaker 7: to a near standstill for the last year and a half.

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Speaker 5: I have no confidence that's going to.

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Speaker 7: Be true another year, two years, and if it starts

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Speaker 7: to become the case where the Ukrainians start feeling they

849
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Speaker 7: could lose everything, or the Russians start getting hit in

850
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Speaker 7: ways that make Putin feel personally vulnerable.

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Speaker 5: Then all bets are off, all bets are off.

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Speaker 7: Then we're in serious trouble, right, I mean, then NATO

853
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Speaker 7: could have an active war on its hands, not just

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Speaker 7: a proxy fied supporting Ukraine.

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Speaker 5: That's a really really dangerous thing.

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Speaker 7: And the Israel war with Goza doesn't have that, you know, broader,

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Speaker 7: you know, beyond the region implication.

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Speaker 5: But the fact is there are.

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Speaker 7: A lot of countries right now that are really angry

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Speaker 7: with Israel acting with what they believe is impunity, what

861
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Speaker 7: they believe is ethnic cleansing, what they believe is war

862
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Speaker 7: crimes and unconscionable humanitarian depredation at the hands.

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Speaker 5: Of Israel, which refuses to listen to anyone.

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Speaker 7: And when you have the Israeli Prime Minister saying he

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Speaker 7: needs to get ready for the country has to get

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Speaker 7: ready for being isolated, that's a really bad message. Because

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Speaker 7: of course, historically Israel has been the guiding light for

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Speaker 7: democracy in the Middle East, to the extent that there

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Speaker 7: is one well, that ain't true anymore. That's a real problem,

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Speaker 7: and Trump is not is certainly not being effective, and

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Speaker 7: to the extent that he has his thumb on the scale,

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Speaker 7: it's in favor of a country that increasingly most American

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Speaker 7: youth think is the bully and aggressor.

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Speaker 5: They're more sympathetic to the Palestinians.

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Speaker 7: That's true for a majority of the Europeans, and it's

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Speaker 7: true for a majority of the country's an overwhelming majority

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Speaker 7: of the countries all over the world.

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Speaker 5: So all of this is to.

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Speaker 7: Say and then you know, you said, well, you know,

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Speaker 7: Trump's having some losses. Trump's also most spectacularly had to

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Speaker 7: back down on China, where he acted like he.

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Speaker 5: Had the cards, and he came out after.

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Speaker 8: Liberation Day with these big tariffs, and you know, continuing

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Speaker 8: with policies that he starred in his first term that

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Speaker 8: Biden expanded his second term.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the one place you see by partisan agreement

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Speaker 7: in foreign policy is that China is the principal adversary

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Speaker 7: of the US and needs to have some level of containment,

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Speaker 7: and Trump throws it all out the window because it

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Speaker 7: turns out that China has the ability to.

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Speaker 5: Hit him back hard, particularly on critical minerals. And so

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Speaker 5: now he's the one that bent the knee.

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Speaker 7: And that is a message to other countries that if

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Speaker 7: you've got the cards, if you're strong.

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Speaker 5: Enough to stand up to Trump, that is absolutely the

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Speaker 5: right move. Ian.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I hope you will come back so important

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Speaker 1: and interesting. Thank you.

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Speaker 5: You're going to see him on.

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Speaker 1: No moment, Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Molly junk Fast. Is it that time?

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Speaker 1: It is that time. I love the time of times.

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Speaker 1: What is your moment of fuckery?

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Speaker 6: My momentive fuckery is something I have a lot of

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Speaker 6: very personal experience with, and that is Department of Defense

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Speaker 6: media policy. And I can tell you one thing used

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Speaker 6: to I did, indeed, and I and I handled a

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Speaker 6: lot of media media.

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Speaker 5: Fends you worked for.

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Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk.

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Speaker 6: The greatest, the greatest sectuff of my life.

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Speaker 5: Time.

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Speaker 1: Jesus fucking Christ will agree to disagree.

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Speaker 6: On Look, the policy in every defense department since World

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Speaker 6: War Two, there has been a relationship with the press.

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Speaker 6: Where As an institution that respects the American way of

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Speaker 6: life and the and the constitution, the deparminent Defense. They

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Speaker 6: may don't want to tell you every secret, they may

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Speaker 6: want to set some rules from time to time, but

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Speaker 6: they have by and large been honest and open with

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Speaker 6: the American media. Pete hexaf is establishing a new media

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Speaker 6: policy in the Pentagon which now says you may not

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Speaker 6: report on anything that is not officially provided to.

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Speaker 5: You, yes, which this is North Korea. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: Now, now the Department Defense at presspool has already been

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Speaker 6: replaced largely with Breitbart, o A, N Muse Max, you know, Eagle,

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Speaker 6: Patriotnews dot Org, Dot Mill dot r.

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Speaker 1: U ah, Maga News one History right exactly.

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Speaker 6: And so Hexa doing this, it tells you that he believes,

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Speaker 6: like Trump, that they deserve nothing but ludicrously favorable coverage

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Speaker 6: all the time. They're told they have to sign an

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Speaker 6: oath that they will not release information that is that

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Speaker 6: is not given to them, or they'll be taken out

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Speaker 6: of the out of the Pentagon. Here's the answer for

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Speaker 6: every major newspaper and every major press organization. Okay, Pete,

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Speaker 6: fuck off and they leave.

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Speaker 1: And I want to point out that there was an

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Speaker 1: opportunity with the White House Press Pool to do the

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Speaker 1: same way. And Donald Trump told the Associated Press that

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Speaker 1: they had to call a Gulf of America, right, and

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Speaker 1: they did house, you know, and if Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: if the White House press pool had been like, we're done,

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Speaker 1: we'll see you, and they left. Even if you kept

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Speaker 1: MAGA news one, two, three and Breifart, Donald Trump would

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Speaker 1: have caved. Is see what happened.

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Speaker 6: They all said, all, well, shit out. I don't want

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Speaker 6: to not be here if Susie Wilds calls me into

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Speaker 6: her office to tell me something.

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Speaker 1: And that's how we got and that's the road to authoritarianism.

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Speaker 1: That's how we got here.

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Speaker 6: This is and I am not a person who says

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Speaker 6: all journalists are transactional blah blah blah, but the White

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Speaker 6: House is a very tempting beat to get very good

954
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Speaker 6: insider stories and make your career on and too many

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Speaker 6: people decided they could make some sort of they can

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Speaker 6: make some sort of accommodation with the bullshit.

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Speaker 1: The organization just should have said no. They should have.

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Speaker 6: Said they should have said no.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think you can fault them for it,

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Speaker 1: because I think there's no playbook for this moment. But

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Speaker 1: now we are seeing clearly what works is pushing back,

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Speaker 1: and so.

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Speaker 6: Pushing back is the key. It has always been the key.

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Speaker 6: And I've been telling people this for months now. He's

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Speaker 6: not as strong as you think he is. He's dangerous,

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Speaker 6: but he's not. He's not omnipotent. Yeah, he's not a god.

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Speaker 6: He's not god, and he can't he can't send you

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Speaker 6: to jail right yet. He might try at some point,

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Speaker 6: but his his numbers collapse and his health collapses. I

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Speaker 6: think we're going to see he will be dangerous. But folks,

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Speaker 6: we're not helpless. And if you know, it's like it's

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Speaker 6: like people were asking me over the weekend, like, oh,

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Speaker 6: should we should we.

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Speaker 5: Sell our Disney stock?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, sell your Disney stock and also make sure you.

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Speaker 1: Have I know by the way has sold their has

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Speaker 1: sold their Disney stock.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah yeah, Rick Wilson during Fast see it that time.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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