Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and iHeartRadio Podcast.
Speaker 2: Our special guest this week is none other than Jamie King.
Speaker 2: She's an actor, filmmaker, activist, and mother and we're going
Speaker 2: to get her on to talk all the things. Obviously,
Speaker 2: I know who you are and your work and a
Speaker 2: big fan of yours, but there's just reading your story too,
Speaker 2: and about your life, and there's I just I feel
Speaker 2: for you in the because you know, I've been in
Speaker 2: custody stuff with my ex and the relationship. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's hard when it's just so front
Speaker 2: and center and you're dealing within kids, and so I
Speaker 2: just really empathize with a lot of your story and yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like that's a it's it's just a tough situation.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how you know how open you
Speaker 2: are to that piece of it or if you're just
Speaker 2: trying to I've never talked about it, yeah, so and
Speaker 2: that yeah, because I'm like, I just feel like I've
Speaker 2: heard so much of from that other person, and it's
Speaker 2: it's hard because I'm like, I just you know, that's
Speaker 2: that to me is sad because it's like you just
Speaker 2: because it's not true exactly, yeah, right, And my.
Speaker 1: Dudia is and mother is to protect my children absolutely,
Speaker 1: and that's all that matters to me. And this is scary.
Speaker 2: Oh we don't. We don't have to. I just you know.
Speaker 1: But honestly speaking, the thing is is that I just
Speaker 1: didn't know when I, you know, got married at a
Speaker 1: young age and something I was very proud of, and
Speaker 1: I just didn't know that that the world works like this.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that legal systems work like this. And
Speaker 1: not to sound like some kind of neophyte, you know,
Speaker 1: but I thought that you know, when you choose to
Speaker 1: love someone, and you love that person, you bel family
Speaker 1: with them and you trust them, and sometimes it's not
Speaker 1: always that way. And the reason why I don't speak
Speaker 1: ones because I want my h I never wanted my
Speaker 1: children to think that any part of them was wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm extremely grateful, and at the same time, the system
Speaker 1: is really unfair, and I think that it's really important
Speaker 1: to support the structure of family and and kindness. Kindness
Speaker 1: is the key, It's the key to everything, no matter what.
Speaker 1: Just be kind, yeah, and be kind and tell the truth.
Speaker 1: And it's not so easy, you know, to speak one's
Speaker 1: own truth when you're bombarded with the whole It's like
Speaker 1: it's almost like politics. It's like a polittle like a
Speaker 1: like a campaign, and it's so stunning, you know, it's
Speaker 1: so stunnying, and not in a good way. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you. And it's and it's
Speaker 2: too you know, there's I can think back to. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, I've been vocal about my ex husband, but
Speaker 2: there are many things that I haven't shared because I
Speaker 2: don't want it to affect my kids and because one
Speaker 2: day they will read things and they will they will
Speaker 2: see things, and you know, but there is I agree
Speaker 2: with you on the legal system. I've I've been in
Speaker 2: abusive relationships in the past, and you know, even from
Speaker 2: the comments to the system, it's it's it's very messed up.
Speaker 2: And what they do to women in that and how
Speaker 2: they can turn it is is mind blowing. Like from
Speaker 2: what you know, I've worked in some shelters and what
Speaker 2: I've seen is just I'm like, wait, you, how are
Speaker 2: you in trouble for like he he stabbed you fifteen times?
Speaker 2: How how are you sitting here in this in this
Speaker 2: jail right now? Like it was just and im I
Speaker 2: did that work with my therapist because I was working
Speaker 2: through my trauma of the guy that tried to kill me,
Speaker 2: and you know, it's been but what I saw mostly
Speaker 2: was the broken system within that as well with those women.
Speaker 1: So I guess the kind of system that I mean
Speaker 1: it really is. It's it's terrifying. Hm, It's truly terrifying,
Speaker 1: you know, because what is required of you to even
Speaker 1: protect your own self first and foremost is insanely difficult.
Speaker 1: The laws that are put into place to protect women
Speaker 1: of color and women in general, you know, have been
Speaker 1: flipped on there. It makes me emotional, have been because
Speaker 1: I've never spoken about this.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you know, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Thank you have been flipped on their heads. It's heads
Speaker 1: one could say, where now? Men are you utilizing these
Speaker 1: laws to abuse? Because it's a no fault state. That's
Speaker 1: it's terrifying. It's terrifying, you know, when to leave are
Speaker 1: to be able to be free means that you have
Speaker 1: to pay a very extreme price. And I'm not just
Speaker 1: talking about financially, you know, it's it's just, you know,
Speaker 1: it's very upsetting and I will do everything in my
Speaker 1: power to change the system. And it's not a will
Speaker 1: I'm going.
Speaker 2: To well, girl, I'd love to march on with you,
Speaker 2: because that is there's so many and that's I appreciate
Speaker 2: you sharing that you know that piece. And I know
Speaker 2: you said you haven't chatted about it, but it's.
Speaker 1: I haven't chatted.
Speaker 2: The more you talk about it.
Speaker 1: I didn't like, I didn't even know that i'd be
Speaker 1: like feel safe enough to even saying anything because I'm scared.
Speaker 1: I'm still scared.
Speaker 2: I'm really well, of course, because the abuser is in
Speaker 2: the in your ear, and I think for me, that's
Speaker 2: the hardest piece. It took me many years to say
Speaker 2: that I was abused and I'm and I'm still not
Speaker 2: saying by who really yet because by because there's some
Speaker 2: people that I haven't actually said because I'm still scared
Speaker 2: of them. I'm scared of what they'll do. I'm scared
Speaker 2: of what will you know, how it'll get flipped on me.
Speaker 1: There'll always be a consequence, Yeah, like the things that
Speaker 1: you put in a place to actually protect yourself will
Speaker 1: somehow be flipped around to hurt.
Speaker 2: And used against you or taken or things taken away
Speaker 2: from it or in your most vulnerable moments. Things that
Speaker 2: I've shared those people will flip it on you, and
Speaker 2: that's the piece where and and so, But I I
Speaker 2: do believe within talking about it and sharing it can
Speaker 2: open eyes because I think it's so messed how it
Speaker 2: messed up, how it goes to. They can leave bruises
Speaker 2: on your arms or do say X y or do this.
Speaker 2: But yet we are still going to the woman and saying, well,
Speaker 2: what'd you do? You know? Or let's yeah, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: I just I just can't with that whole piece of it.
Speaker 2: But so I am, I'm sorry for what you have
Speaker 2: gone through. You've had, you know, your your life starting
Speaker 2: from you know, your childhood and you know growing up
Speaker 2: with the bullying and the you know.
Speaker 1: The I'm sorry drugs, what you're going through.
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's but it's hard because and I don't
Speaker 2: I've probably I've only talked about my abuse piece a
Speaker 2: few times because that's still the hardest piece to talk
Speaker 2: about a because it gets flipped the comments, and it's
Speaker 2: the you still have them in your voice going well
Speaker 2: did I or do I did I deserve that? Or
Speaker 2: yeah or what because they start to try to change
Speaker 2: your own perception of what actually happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like like the it's it's almost like penete
Speaker 1: on that donkey or blind folds, like in you're spun around, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to hit some kind of mark and
Speaker 1: you don't and that mark just keeps changing. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: it's like no matter what it is that you do,
Speaker 1: you'll never be enough and it altered. Like it's really
Speaker 1: like that dizziness, that that isolation, the constant messaging that
Speaker 1: you're something that you're completely not, you know, starts to
Speaker 1: color your world. Right. It's like the best way that
Speaker 1: I can explain that experience is like when there's a
Speaker 1: white wall and someone keeps saying that wall is black,
Speaker 1: that wall is black, Like are you crazy? Everyone knows
Speaker 1: that wall is black, And then anyone you care about
Speaker 1: that wall is black. Don't you see that wall is black.
Speaker 1: But they do it with this kind of charisma, this charm,
Speaker 1: this this thing that we're supposed to have, you know,
Speaker 1: like that like as as filmmakers, as actors, as you know,
Speaker 1: as journalists, as people that speak and talk and relate
Speaker 1: to the world, that that charisma, that thing, but not
Speaker 1: everyone has that thing, and in a way to manipulate
Speaker 1: because the amount of the mental level of strategy is
Speaker 1: far beyond what I could ever possibly imagine as a
Speaker 1: mother and as a filmmaker and as a friend. I mean,
Speaker 1: the amount of time that it takes to strategize on
Speaker 1: that kind of level. That is what I do, and
Speaker 1: I commit to my work to that which I really
Speaker 1: care about. You know, it's just extraordinary, you know, not
Speaker 1: all loving and you know, mental, physical, emotional energy is
Speaker 1: put towards those things that.
Speaker 2: Matter well and being a mom and the mam a
Speaker 2: bear and you're wanting to you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if that you're still in that situation, but like I
Speaker 2: had to pay SPOLSI support and I'd pay child support
Speaker 2: every month to my ex, to my person who hurt
Speaker 2: me and did the destruction in our marriage. And that's
Speaker 2: a piece of you know that I've gotten to a
Speaker 2: place now where I'm like, okay, I'm trying to you know,
Speaker 2: not have so much anger and resentment with it. But
Speaker 2: there is this, you know, we we work so hard
Speaker 2: to provide and to also nurture and care for our
Speaker 2: kids as well. So yeah, so I also validate you
Speaker 2: and that must be a difficult situation as well. And
Speaker 2: to have someone like throwing things out you being like
Speaker 2: you're unfit this and like anyone I will like watch me,
Speaker 2: mama there like the you know it's like to have
Speaker 2: any father say that about I just was like, I can't.
Speaker 1: It's disgusting. I'm just to be clear, like like it's no,
Speaker 1: I mean, I might as well just be honest. If
Speaker 1: this is the person I'm talking about this with someone
Speaker 1: that has gone through it, it's really disturbing, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like and also it's not logical or
Speaker 1: practical at all.
Speaker 2: It's just to me feels very calculated.
Speaker 1: It just it doesn't make it ends right. So you're
Speaker 1: unfit If all of these things are being said, then
Speaker 1: how are you fit to then provide for the children?
Speaker 1: How are you fit to go work twelve to eighteen
Speaker 1: hours a day? How are you fit to you know,
Speaker 1: when your entire or my entire marriage, I paid for everything,
Speaker 1: the entire like it's I and I and I was proud.
Speaker 1: I'm always proud to be the person that or a
Speaker 1: person that has earned everything that I have. You know
Speaker 1: that that matters to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's showing your children too, how you know, Yeah,
Speaker 2: determination and respect and you know going after your dreams,
Speaker 2: Like it's a beautiful, beautiful thing to show your kids.
Speaker 1: That so that's the best. It just doesn't makes sense.
Speaker 1: It's like, what price is There's no Like I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: there's no price to pay for freedom.
Speaker 2: My therapist taught me with this, and you might you
Speaker 2: can take this one too. But where I got to
Speaker 2: kind of a piece with it. Where is to me
Speaker 2: it's my freedom check. I would rather be out of
Speaker 2: it than in it. So if I have to pay it,
Speaker 2: it's my freedom check, yes, exactly. And so as much
Speaker 2: as I don't like paying it, because right, we all
Speaker 2: have stresses to meet needs of other things, you know,
Speaker 2: on top of the household and everything else that you
Speaker 2: know we do and work and provide. But it's like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here's my freedom check to not be with you anymore.
Speaker 2: If that's what I have to do to not be
Speaker 2: with anymore, I will write this check for the rest
Speaker 2: of my life, say till eighteen.
Speaker 1: Right. That's like, if there's no price of the give
Speaker 1: your freedom right? Yeah, And it is about that reframing,
Speaker 1: you know, that's a really good perspective of your therapist
Speaker 1: and you because it's always about like Okay, how do
Speaker 1: we you know, continue to do something without feeling resentment
Speaker 1: about it? Because I that's not where I prefer to live.
Speaker 1: Is that space? And I don't mind? I really don't mind.
Speaker 2: Again, is there so you have loved Danielle right now?
Speaker 2: That's that's that's out?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 2: Is there something within everything that you've gone through that
Speaker 2: you were like, I want to create and I want
Speaker 2: to play this type of character to be almost like
Speaker 2: I remember when I it was not a big movie
Speaker 2: by any means, but it was a role where I
Speaker 2: got to play someone being abuse and it was I
Speaker 2: didn't know how I would handle in being in that role,
Speaker 2: but it was ended up being the most therapeutic role
Speaker 2: I've ever played, because I mean in one of the
Speaker 2: scenes where I'm like being strangled and choked, like, I
Speaker 2: ended up having this like wild release from the moment
Speaker 2: that you know it happened. So I wonder, is there
Speaker 2: something for you where you're like, I want to I
Speaker 2: want to tackle maybe drug drug abuse from this age
Speaker 2: or you know, the the abuse or to to then
Speaker 2: almost not saying you're not over it, but to help
Speaker 2: almost heal pieces of you that might still be unhealed.
Speaker 1: I think that with every role that comes to it,
Speaker 1: that there is an opportunity to clear and release and
Speaker 1: let go of what we've experienced, right and to like
Speaker 1: Carrie Fisher always said, you'd take your broken heart and
Speaker 1: turn it into art. And for me, acting is not
Speaker 1: it's not like just a playing of a person. It's
Speaker 1: how we merge ourselves with our own truth inside of
Speaker 1: ourselves and the truth within the character. And as you know,
Speaker 1: there's always a release when you're in that moment. Right
Speaker 1: with Loved Danielle, that film was actually brought to me
Speaker 1: originally to direct, and the script was so beautiful and
Speaker 1: so complex, and it was all donation based, and it
Speaker 1: was on a very short time frame, and I've lost
Speaker 1: people that I I'm very close with, you know, to cancer,
Speaker 1: and I've been on the border same to cancer for
Speaker 1: over a decade and Sean Parker Institute, and so that
Speaker 1: really mattered to me. So I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the one that I can
Speaker 1: direct right now, but I will be here no matter what.
Speaker 1: And so for me, with Love Danielle, it was really
Speaker 1: an opportunity to celebrate what Devin went through and her
Speaker 1: sister and you know this can like this consistent fight
Speaker 1: that not only the family went through. But then I
Speaker 1: don't mean fight, I'm talking about fighting a dance cancer.
Speaker 1: Obviously that was hard. It was really hard because I
Speaker 1: lost my best friend to cancer and and it's it
Speaker 1: was but it was joyful too. It was joyful because
Speaker 1: I was able to have fun in the experience and again,
Speaker 1: you know, clear and release and work through and and
Speaker 1: take it different tone, because you know, tone is really
Speaker 1: hard sometimes, you know, like how you're approaching a scene
Speaker 1: or a topic, you know what I mean, Like, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever like read a scene, You're like,
Speaker 1: I just don't know what tone this is. Yeah, for this,
Speaker 1: like I really understood what tone it was. And it's like,
Speaker 1: you know when someone can be laughing when they want
Speaker 1: to cry, you know. So it was really taking that
Speaker 1: kind of approach. And I'm just very very proud of
Speaker 1: the film, and I'm really proud of Devin and Amy
Speaker 1: and everyone that made like was able to make that
Speaker 1: movie happen.
Speaker 2: It's a scartaining do you have I mean, because you
Speaker 2: said you're directing, is there anything you know for you
Speaker 2: your kind of dream, either directing or role that you.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've played some amazing parts and like you're
Speaker 2: you're incredible at what you do. So is there something
Speaker 2: for you where you're like, I really want to check
Speaker 2: this one off, the you know, check this box off.
Speaker 1: I started my production company a few years ago. It's
Speaker 1: called Hooligan Dreamers Productions. And for me, there are multiple
Speaker 1: boxes that I want to check off, and they are
Speaker 1: for other people and not just myself. We need to
Speaker 1: completely well, I don't want to say completely, but the
Speaker 1: system needs to be changed. What I care about is
Speaker 1: that other humans, other artists, have opportunities to be seen
Speaker 1: when they're not seen, to be heard when they're not heard,
Speaker 1: to have not just the opportunity to walk into a
Speaker 1: room and to share the gifts that they have with
Speaker 1: the world, but to actually have that happen, for it
Speaker 1: to actually be realized on screen, and you know, to
Speaker 1: make people feel less alone. That's really what I care about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's really what I care about, you know, because there
Speaker 1: are positions of power that are I think misrepresented and unnecessary,
Speaker 1: and so I just want to tell stories with people
Speaker 1: that I love. Yeah, and do it responsibly.
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's do let's do one together, Let's
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: No, I mean when I say that, I actually know.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, can we actually be in you know? I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm dreaming up one right now, we're I think the
Speaker 2: system got it wrong. We're in prison, yes, you know,
Speaker 2: or some or one of us is there and you're
Speaker 2: going to help get somebody you know, get me out,
Speaker 2: I'll get you out whatever. Yes, you know there's something
Speaker 2: I don't know or something there.
Speaker 1: There's something there.
Speaker 2: There really is something there. What do you do talk
Speaker 2: about your sobriety at all? Or no?
Speaker 1: I've never had to think about myself like sober or
Speaker 1: not sober? Correct I stop using like thirteen seventeen or something.
Speaker 2: Well, i think, what's so? I read that? But then
Speaker 2: I'm like, why then did she have to go to rehab?
Speaker 2: Like I didn't understand that.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't like what Now.
Speaker 2: I saw some article that was like no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not she was ordered a six month rehead program,
Speaker 2: And I'm like, I wonder, so this is where I
Speaker 2: go right with Like with the ex husbands, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I bet you because the stories that she, you know,
Speaker 2: said when she was younger, you know that he's now
Speaker 2: used her.
Speaker 1: That's precisely what happened, and.
Speaker 2: That's so messed up. I literally that was my note.
Speaker 2: I just want to say, you know, did he your
Speaker 2: husband saying yes? Was that used against you from your
Speaker 2: vulnerable conversations that you had when you were younger? Used
Speaker 2: against you?
Speaker 1: Yes? Even though I publicly spoken what a system and
Speaker 1: have worked through the entirety of my life to protect
Speaker 1: people that have gone through those things. Yes, absolutely, Wis.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. That is incredible because again, like, don't
Speaker 2: mess with my kids, and yeah.
Speaker 1: Essentially what has been said is inaccurate and I I
Speaker 1: haven't been able to say anything about it for the
Speaker 1: protection of my children. To answer your question, absolutely, that's
Speaker 1: what happened, and it's horrifying. It's horrifying. I just I
Speaker 1: simply don't know how this is possible. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to live my life in shock. I want to
Speaker 1: find a solution, but it is. It hurts my heart,
Speaker 1: you know, to say the least. And I'm also extremely
Speaker 1: extremely grateful for my friends and for the people and
Speaker 1: the women and the men that are around me that
Speaker 1: are so solid, and I'm so grateful for the strength
Speaker 1: inside of my own self, you know, because I have
Speaker 1: to look at it from a different perspective to not
Speaker 1: get caught up like people have you read. I don't
Speaker 1: read anything. I don't read any news, any articles. Why
Speaker 1: because that that that energy, and it's just what they want.
Speaker 1: It's what they want. They want like they want you
Speaker 1: to feel bad. They want to be consumed.
Speaker 2: My husband, my now husband, always says, you know, and
Speaker 2: articles will come out that are not nice or that
Speaker 2: are not true. It will affect me in a moment.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, what's within the four walls? You know,
Speaker 2: what is in within the four walls? That is what
Speaker 2: the truth is, That is what you need those and
Speaker 2: those are the only people that you need to worry about.
Speaker 2: Is within what's within the four walls your kids, your
Speaker 2: closest friends, everything else they don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh, your husband thinking, that's really that's a really good perspective.
Speaker 1: It's true and I and I know that, and I
Speaker 1: trust that. That's why it's like the rest is just noise.
Speaker 1: It's all noise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And what what your hope is again
Speaker 2: is that which what I love is you're wanting to
Speaker 2: now make a difference with what you've gone through and
Speaker 2: also using it within your work. So I think that's
Speaker 2: there's no' that's the happy ending with it all, you know,
Speaker 2: that's the hope with it all, right, you know is
Speaker 2: it's a terrible situation.
Speaker 1: That's always been the case. And I think the closer
Speaker 1: we get to our truth, the closer we get to
Speaker 1: really leading with love, loving, I should say I'm being
Speaker 1: of service. The closer and closer we get to the
Speaker 1: actualization of it, the more and more you know, negativity.
Speaker 1: You can try and push back on it, but that's okay.
Speaker 1: It's just part of our process, is part of our learning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 2: because we don't have a lot degrees, we don't know
Speaker 2: people that might not have been divorced. There are so
Speaker 2: many things that you can file that are actually not true,
Speaker 2: oh and hurt other people. And I don't think people
Speaker 2: understand that. I think you can just go oh, like
Speaker 2: I remember one time when my ex husband he had
Speaker 2: filed for divorce first because he knew that I was
Speaker 2: about to and so he filed first because there's always
Speaker 2: something with filing first or whatever, and he had put something.
Speaker 1: That was later I was confused about that part that Yeah, separational,
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 2: And that and that one went away and then until
Speaker 2: I filed years later, but he had put something in
Speaker 2: that original filing where I was like, wait, that's not true.
Speaker 2: And there was this moment that I and I mean
Speaker 2: I did. The lawyer was like, well that he can,
Speaker 2: he can put that in. I was like, but that's
Speaker 2: not true. How could he put it in when it's
Speaker 2: not true?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And so I don't think people understand that. And obviously
Speaker 2: all that stuff got thrown away, but I'll never forget
Speaker 2: that moment because I'm like, wow, it's that's how along
Speaker 2: with the system is is that's messed up?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so sorry. I knew that feeling. I sincerely
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, because that's it's it's it's
Speaker 1: it's really ineffable to see something that like, as you're
Speaker 1: it's not even a description, that's literally what happens. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like, oh, well that's just the law. It's like
Speaker 1: how is that wait? Wait, how is that law?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: And how it's like how are you supposed to become
Speaker 1: a paralegal or a lawyer? And you know, as like
Speaker 1: you're an intelligent woman. I was like, if one more
Speaker 1: person tells me, I'm I know, I'm an intelligent woman,
Speaker 1: but I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I didn't go I didn't take the bar. Like that
Speaker 1: wasn't like my my dream, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: I don't like that's not I need to put my
Speaker 1: lovey into something else. And that's like, it's stunning, it's stunning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of mental work. And again,
Speaker 1: everything you know is an exercise and ultimately, you know,
Speaker 1: it's everything is an opportunity to then be of service
Speaker 1: to other people. Right of what what we've gone through
Speaker 1: and what we've experienced in our knowledge and what we've learned.
Speaker 1: There's God, there's a reason for it, you know, there's
Speaker 1: there has to be a reason for it.
Speaker 2: So you have loved Danielle out. What is after that?
Speaker 2: Do you have something that you're filming or directing? Posts this?
Speaker 1: Yes, I I did four films this year that I'm
Speaker 1: very excited about girl, and I'm preparing to direct my
Speaker 1: first feature that I'm also very excited about. I haven't
Speaker 1: announced that one yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm just having.
Speaker 1: The best time. I'm just having the best time in
Speaker 1: terms of like writing and filmmaking and producing and just
Speaker 1: seeing the beauty of so many artists and what it
Speaker 1: is that they do, and getting to spend every day,
Speaker 1: you know, focusing not only on my children and my family,
Speaker 1: but also like bringing the like these children of the artists,
Speaker 1: like what they want to make and what they want
Speaker 1: to say to life. It's so so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. What is it a little
Speaker 2: fast around here? What's your favorite thing that you've been in? Oh,
Speaker 2: I'll start Pearl Harbor. So good, girl, so good. When
Speaker 2: you die, I was like, like, it's so good.
Speaker 1: Thank you. That's so fun because I didn't understand the
Speaker 1: hierarchy of things. I didn't know. I didn't know. I
Speaker 1: didn't I had no idea. I didn't know. And it
Speaker 1: was divine. It was amazing.
Speaker 3: It was really like and they're like this is the
Speaker 3: biggest like it was the biggest budget movie. D da
Speaker 3: da dah blah blah blah, and and I had and
Speaker 3: I was just like ya da da, Like I was.
Speaker 1: I was so happy. All I wanted to do is
Speaker 1: do the best job.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And isn't Kate beck and Sale just so beautiful too,
Speaker 2: Like she's just like I did a movie with her.
Speaker 2: I just remember, I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm staring. You're
Speaker 2: just so pretty. She's so pretty, and she's so nice.
Speaker 2: You're so sweet.
Speaker 1: She's so hilarious, she's so funny, she's so poised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, say Kate, Hi, Kate, She's yeah. I mean I
Speaker 2: did the best with her and Adam Sandler, and I
Speaker 2: just remember she was out there just like smoking a cigarette,
Speaker 2: but she was like so fun and nice and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, you're beautiful and your cape
Speaker 2: back and sale and I.
Speaker 1: I know, right, she's so brilliant, and it's it's so
Speaker 1: nice to be around people that like that are so cool,
Speaker 1: like that are so cool. And then but you don't
Speaker 1: have to be afraid of them, right, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like she's so warm and so loving and
Speaker 1: such a great mom. She's so funny, the brilliant, brilliant actor.
Speaker 2: Okay, your favorite, because that was mine.
Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I really loved a lot was
Speaker 1: hard on Tixie.
Speaker 2: That was a sweet show.
Speaker 1: I think I can. I think I can go there
Speaker 1: because it's different than than filmmaking, like a film. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's still filmmaking you, but it's your You're in it.
Speaker 1: For so long, so that has a very special place.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. Now I'm racking my brain and seat,
Speaker 1: what was my favorite film?
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, you're about to make it?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Thank you yep, percept if you're about to make it,
Speaker 2: so that you that's oh yes, let's do it. Well, Jamie,
Speaker 2: thank you for coming on. Thank you for vulnerably sharing
Speaker 2: things that you've gone through and also talking about things
Speaker 2: that most women don't talk about because they're too afraid
Speaker 2: to talk about. And I know it's just the beginning,
Speaker 2: and I'm excited to see where you go with it
Speaker 2: because the more you stand up, others can feel like
Speaker 2: they can too.
Speaker 1: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Keep going, you too, all right, Thanks Jamie, appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Everyone go see Love Danielle. She plays a sister and
Speaker 2: it's such a beautiful film, so go check it out.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jamie, Thank you so much.