1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,359 Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and iHeartRadio Podcast. 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: Our special guest this week is none other than Jamie King. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: She's an actor, filmmaker, activist, and mother and we're going 4 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 2: to get her on to talk all the things. Obviously, 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 2: I know who you are and your work and a 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 2: big fan of yours, but there's just reading your story too, 7 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 2: and about your life, and there's I just I feel 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:32,519 Speaker 2: for you in the because you know, I've been in 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: custody stuff with my ex and the relationship. I mean, 10 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: it's just it's it's hard when it's just so front 11 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: and center and you're dealing within kids, and so I 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 2: just really empathize with a lot of your story and yeah, 13 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Like that's a it's it's just a tough situation. 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 2: So I don't know how you know how open you 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 2: are to that piece of it or if you're just 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: trying to I've never talked about it, yeah, so and 17 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: that yeah, because I'm like, I just feel like I've 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: heard so much of from that other person, and it's 19 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 2: it's hard because I'm like, I just you know, that's 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: that to me is sad because it's like you just 21 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: because it's not true exactly, yeah, right, And my. 22 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 1: Dudia is and mother is to protect my children absolutely, 23 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: and that's all that matters to me. And this is scary. 24 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 2: Oh we don't. We don't have to. I just you know. 25 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: But honestly speaking, the thing is is that I just 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: didn't know when I, you know, got married at a 27 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: young age and something I was very proud of, and 28 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: I just didn't know that that the world works like this. 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: I didn't know that legal systems work like this. And 30 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: not to sound like some kind of neophyte, you know, 31 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: but I thought that you know, when you choose to 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: love someone, and you love that person, you bel family 33 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: with them and you trust them, and sometimes it's not 34 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: always that way. And the reason why I don't speak 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: ones because I want my h I never wanted my 36 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,959 Speaker 1: children to think that any part of them was wrong. 37 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: I'm extremely grateful, and at the same time, the system 38 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: is really unfair, and I think that it's really important 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 1: to support the structure of family and and kindness. Kindness 40 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: is the key, It's the key to everything, no matter what. 41 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 1: Just be kind, yeah, and be kind and tell the truth. 42 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: And it's not so easy, you know, to speak one's 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: own truth when you're bombarded with the whole It's like 44 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: it's almost like politics. It's like a polittle like a 45 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 1: like a campaign, and it's so stunning, you know, it's 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: so stunnying, and not in a good way. You know. 47 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I hear you. And it's and it's 48 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 2: too you know, there's I can think back to. Yes, 49 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 2: you know, I've been vocal about my ex husband, but 50 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: there are many things that I haven't shared because I 51 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: don't want it to affect my kids and because one 52 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: day they will read things and they will they will 53 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 2: see things, and you know, but there is I agree 54 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 2: with you on the legal system. I've I've been in 55 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 2: abusive relationships in the past, and you know, even from 56 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: the comments to the system, it's it's it's very messed up. 57 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 2: And what they do to women in that and how 58 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: they can turn it is is mind blowing. Like from 59 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: what you know, I've worked in some shelters and what 60 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: I've seen is just I'm like, wait, you, how are 61 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: you in trouble for like he he stabbed you fifteen times? 62 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: How how are you sitting here in this in this 63 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: jail right now? Like it was just and im I 64 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: did that work with my therapist because I was working 65 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: through my trauma of the guy that tried to kill me, 66 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: and you know, it's been but what I saw mostly 67 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 2: was the broken system within that as well with those women. 68 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: So I guess the kind of system that I mean 69 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: it really is. It's it's terrifying. Hm, It's truly terrifying, 70 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, because what is required of you to even 71 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: protect your own self first and foremost is insanely difficult. 72 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: The laws that are put into place to protect women 73 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:30,400 Speaker 1: of color and women in general, you know, have been 74 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: flipped on there. It makes me emotional, have been because 75 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: I've never spoken about this. 76 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you know, it's okay. 77 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: Thank you have been flipped on their heads. It's heads 78 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: one could say, where now? Men are you utilizing these 79 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: laws to abuse? Because it's a no fault state. That's 80 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: it's terrifying. It's terrifying, you know, when to leave are 81 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 1: to be able to be free means that you have 82 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: to pay a very extreme price. And I'm not just 83 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: talking about financially, you know, it's it's just, you know, 84 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: it's very upsetting and I will do everything in my 85 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 1: power to change the system. And it's not a will 86 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: I'm going. 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: To well, girl, I'd love to march on with you, 88 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 2: because that is there's so many and that's I appreciate 89 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 2: you sharing that you know that piece. And I know 90 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: you said you haven't chatted about it, but it's. 91 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:39,520 Speaker 1: I haven't chatted. 92 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: The more you talk about it. 93 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: I didn't like, I didn't even know that i'd be 94 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: like feel safe enough to even saying anything because I'm scared. 95 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: I'm still scared. 96 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: I'm really well, of course, because the abuser is in 97 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: the in your ear, and I think for me, that's 98 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 2: the hardest piece. It took me many years to say 99 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: that I was abused and I'm and I'm still not 100 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 2: saying by who really yet because by because there's some 101 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: people that I haven't actually said because I'm still scared 102 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 2: of them. I'm scared of what they'll do. I'm scared 103 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 2: of what will you know, how it'll get flipped on me. 104 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: There'll always be a consequence, Yeah, like the things that 105 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 1: you put in a place to actually protect yourself will 106 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 1: somehow be flipped around to hurt. 107 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 2: And used against you or taken or things taken away 108 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 2: from it or in your most vulnerable moments. Things that 109 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 2: I've shared those people will flip it on you, and 110 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: that's the piece where and and so, But I I 111 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: do believe within talking about it and sharing it can 112 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: open eyes because I think it's so messed how it 113 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 2: messed up, how it goes to. They can leave bruises 114 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 2: on your arms or do say X y or do this. 115 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 2: But yet we are still going to the woman and saying, well, 116 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 2: what'd you do? You know? Or let's yeah, and I'm like, oh, 117 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: I just I just can't with that whole piece of it. 118 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 2: But so I am, I'm sorry for what you have 119 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 2: gone through. You've had, you know, your your life starting 120 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: from you know, your childhood and you know growing up 121 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: with the bullying and the you know. 122 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: The I'm sorry drugs, what you're going through. 123 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: Thank you. It's but it's hard because and I don't 124 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: I've probably I've only talked about my abuse piece a 125 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: few times because that's still the hardest piece to talk 126 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: about a because it gets flipped the comments, and it's 127 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: the you still have them in your voice going well 128 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: did I or do I did I deserve that? Or 129 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: yeah or what because they start to try to change 130 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 2: your own perception of what actually happened. 131 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like like the it's it's almost like penete 132 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: on that donkey or blind folds, like in you're spun around, yeah, 133 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: and you're trying to hit some kind of mark and 134 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: you don't and that mark just keeps changing. Yeah, So 135 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: it's like no matter what it is that you do, 136 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: you'll never be enough and it altered. Like it's really 137 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: like that dizziness, that that isolation, the constant messaging that 138 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: you're something that you're completely not, you know, starts to 139 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: color your world. Right. It's like the best way that 140 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: I can explain that experience is like when there's a 141 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: white wall and someone keeps saying that wall is black, 142 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: that wall is black, Like are you crazy? Everyone knows 143 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: that wall is black, And then anyone you care about 144 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: that wall is black. Don't you see that wall is black. 145 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 1: But they do it with this kind of charisma, this charm, 146 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: this this thing that we're supposed to have, you know, 147 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: like that like as as filmmakers, as actors, as you know, 148 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: as journalists, as people that speak and talk and relate 149 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: to the world, that that charisma, that thing, but not 150 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: everyone has that thing, and in a way to manipulate 151 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: because the amount of the mental level of strategy is 152 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 1: far beyond what I could ever possibly imagine as a 153 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: mother and as a filmmaker and as a friend. I mean, 154 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: the amount of time that it takes to strategize on 155 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: that kind of level. That is what I do, and 156 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: I commit to my work to that which I really 157 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: care about. You know, it's just extraordinary, you know, not 158 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: all loving and you know, mental, physical, emotional energy is 159 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: put towards those things that. 160 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,199 Speaker 2: Matter well and being a mom and the mam a 161 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: bear and you're wanting to you know, I don't know 162 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,199 Speaker 2: if that you're still in that situation, but like I 163 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 2: had to pay SPOLSI support and I'd pay child support 164 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: every month to my ex, to my person who hurt 165 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 2: me and did the destruction in our marriage. And that's 166 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: a piece of you know that I've gotten to a 167 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: place now where I'm like, okay, I'm trying to you know, 168 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: not have so much anger and resentment with it. But 169 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 2: there is this, you know, we we work so hard 170 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: to provide and to also nurture and care for our 171 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 2: kids as well. So yeah, so I also validate you 172 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: and that must be a difficult situation as well. And 173 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: to have someone like throwing things out you being like 174 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:20,719 Speaker 2: you're unfit this and like anyone I will like watch me, 175 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 2: mama there like the you know it's like to have 176 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: any father say that about I just was like, I can't. 177 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: It's disgusting. I'm just to be clear, like like it's no, 178 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I might as well just be honest. If 179 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: this is the person I'm talking about this with someone 180 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: that has gone through it, it's really disturbing, you know, 181 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: and it's it's like and also it's not logical or 182 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 1: practical at all. 183 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 2: It's just to me feels very calculated. 184 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: It just it doesn't make it ends right. So you're 185 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: unfit If all of these things are being said, then 186 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: how are you fit to then provide for the children? 187 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: How are you fit to go work twelve to eighteen 188 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: hours a day? How are you fit to you know, 189 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: when your entire or my entire marriage, I paid for everything, 190 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: the entire like it's I and I and I was proud. 191 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: I'm always proud to be the person that or a 192 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: person that has earned everything that I have. You know 193 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: that that matters to me. 194 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's showing your children too, how you know, Yeah, 195 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: determination and respect and you know going after your dreams, 196 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: Like it's a beautiful, beautiful thing to show your kids. 197 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: That so that's the best. It just doesn't makes sense. 198 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: It's like, what price is There's no Like I'm like, well, 199 00:11:46,720 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: there's no price to pay for freedom. 200 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 2: My therapist taught me with this, and you might you 201 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 2: can take this one too. But where I got to 202 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: kind of a piece with it. Where is to me 203 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: it's my freedom check. I would rather be out of 204 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: it than in it. So if I have to pay it, 205 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: it's my freedom check, yes, exactly. And so as much 206 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 2: as I don't like paying it, because right, we all 207 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,320 Speaker 2: have stresses to meet needs of other things, you know, 208 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 2: on top of the household and everything else that you 209 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: know we do and work and provide. But it's like, Okay, 210 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 2: here's my freedom check to not be with you anymore. 211 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 2: If that's what I have to do to not be 212 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: with anymore, I will write this check for the rest 213 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: of my life, say till eighteen. 214 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: Right. That's like, if there's no price of the give 215 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: your freedom right? Yeah, And it is about that reframing, 216 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: you know, that's a really good perspective of your therapist 217 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: and you because it's always about like Okay, how do 218 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: we you know, continue to do something without feeling resentment 219 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: about it? Because I that's not where I prefer to live. 220 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 1: Is that space? And I don't mind? I really don't mind. 221 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: Again, is there so you have loved Danielle right now? 222 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 2: That's that's that's out? 223 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: Do you? 224 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 2: Is there something within everything that you've gone through that 225 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: you were like, I want to create and I want 226 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: to play this type of character to be almost like 227 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 2: I remember when I it was not a big movie 228 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: by any means, but it was a role where I 229 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: got to play someone being abuse and it was I 230 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: didn't know how I would handle in being in that role, 231 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: but it was ended up being the most therapeutic role 232 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: I've ever played, because I mean in one of the 233 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 2: scenes where I'm like being strangled and choked, like, I 234 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 2: ended up having this like wild release from the moment 235 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: that you know it happened. So I wonder, is there 236 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: something for you where you're like, I want to I 237 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: want to tackle maybe drug drug abuse from this age 238 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: or you know, the the abuse or to to then 239 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: almost not saying you're not over it, but to help 240 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: almost heal pieces of you that might still be unhealed. 241 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: I think that with every role that comes to it, 242 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: that there is an opportunity to clear and release and 243 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: let go of what we've experienced, right and to like 244 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: Carrie Fisher always said, you'd take your broken heart and 245 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: turn it into art. And for me, acting is not 246 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,479 Speaker 1: it's not like just a playing of a person. It's 247 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 1: how we merge ourselves with our own truth inside of 248 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: ourselves and the truth within the character. And as you know, 249 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: there's always a release when you're in that moment. Right 250 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: with Loved Danielle, that film was actually brought to me 251 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: originally to direct, and the script was so beautiful and 252 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: so complex, and it was all donation based, and it 253 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: was on a very short time frame, and I've lost 254 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: people that I I'm very close with, you know, to cancer, 255 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 1: and I've been on the border same to cancer for 256 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: over a decade and Sean Parker Institute, and so that 257 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: really mattered to me. So I was like, you know, 258 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: I don't think this is the one that I can 259 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 1: direct right now, but I will be here no matter what. 260 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: And so for me, with Love Danielle, it was really 261 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: an opportunity to celebrate what Devin went through and her 262 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: sister and you know this can like this consistent fight 263 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: that not only the family went through. But then I 264 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: don't mean fight, I'm talking about fighting a dance cancer. 265 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: Obviously that was hard. It was really hard because I 266 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: lost my best friend to cancer and and it's it 267 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: was but it was joyful too. It was joyful because 268 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: I was able to have fun in the experience and again, 269 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, clear and release and work through and and 270 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: take it different tone, because you know, tone is really 271 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: hard sometimes, you know, like how you're approaching a scene 272 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: or a topic, you know what I mean, Like, I 273 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever like read a scene, You're like, 274 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: I just don't know what tone this is. Yeah, for this, 275 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: like I really understood what tone it was. And it's like, 276 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: you know when someone can be laughing when they want 277 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: to cry, you know. So it was really taking that 278 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: kind of approach. And I'm just very very proud of 279 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: the film, and I'm really proud of Devin and Amy 280 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: and everyone that made like was able to make that 281 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: movie happen. 282 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: It's a scartaining do you have I mean, because you 283 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: said you're directing, is there anything you know for you 284 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: your kind of dream, either directing or role that you. 285 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: I mean, you've played some amazing parts and like you're 286 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: you're incredible at what you do. So is there something 287 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: for you where you're like, I really want to check 288 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,400 Speaker 2: this one off, the you know, check this box off. 289 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 1: I started my production company a few years ago. It's 290 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: called Hooligan Dreamers Productions. And for me, there are multiple 291 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: boxes that I want to check off, and they are 292 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: for other people and not just myself. We need to 293 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: completely well, I don't want to say completely, but the 294 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: system needs to be changed. What I care about is 295 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: that other humans, other artists, have opportunities to be seen 296 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: when they're not seen, to be heard when they're not heard, 297 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: to have not just the opportunity to walk into a 298 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: room and to share the gifts that they have with 299 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: the world, but to actually have that happen, for it 300 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: to actually be realized on screen, and you know, to 301 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: make people feel less alone. That's really what I care about. Yeah, 302 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: that's really what I care about, you know, because there 303 00:17:52,160 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: are positions of power that are I think misrepresented and unnecessary, 304 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: and so I just want to tell stories with people 305 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: that I love. Yeah, and do it responsibly. 306 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,400 Speaker 2: Let's do it. Let's do let's do one together, Let's 307 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:08,679 Speaker 2: do it. 308 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: No, I mean when I say that, I actually know. 309 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 2: I'm saying, can we actually be in you know? I'm like, 310 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: I'm dreaming up one right now, we're I think the 311 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: system got it wrong. We're in prison, yes, you know, 312 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: or some or one of us is there and you're 313 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 2: going to help get somebody you know, get me out, 314 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: I'll get you out whatever. Yes, you know there's something 315 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 2: I don't know or something there. 316 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: There's something there. 317 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 2: There really is something there. What do you do talk 318 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: about your sobriety at all? Or no? 319 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: I've never had to think about myself like sober or 320 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: not sober? Correct I stop using like thirteen seventeen or something. 321 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: Well, i think, what's so? I read that? But then 322 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 2: I'm like, why then did she have to go to rehab? 323 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: Like I didn't understand that. 324 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: Oh I didn't like what Now. 325 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: I saw some article that was like no, no, no, no, 326 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: that's not she was ordered a six month rehead program, 327 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I wonder, so this is where I 328 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 2: go right with Like with the ex husbands, I'm like, 329 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 2: I bet you because the stories that she, you know, 330 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 2: said when she was younger, you know that he's now 331 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: used her. 332 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: That's precisely what happened, and. 333 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 2: That's so messed up. I literally that was my note. 334 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 2: I just want to say, you know, did he your 335 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 2: husband saying yes? Was that used against you from your 336 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: vulnerable conversations that you had when you were younger? Used 337 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 2: against you? 338 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: Yes? Even though I publicly spoken what a system and 339 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: have worked through the entirety of my life to protect 340 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: people that have gone through those things. Yes, absolutely, Wis. 341 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. That is incredible because again, like, don't 342 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 2: mess with my kids, and yeah. 343 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: Essentially what has been said is inaccurate and I I 344 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: haven't been able to say anything about it for the 345 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: protection of my children. To answer your question, absolutely, that's 346 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: what happened, and it's horrifying. It's horrifying. I just I 347 00:20:07,119 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 1: simply don't know how this is possible. And I don't 348 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: want to live my life in shock. I want to 349 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: find a solution, but it is. It hurts my heart, 350 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,560 Speaker 1: you know, to say the least. And I'm also extremely 351 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 1: extremely grateful for my friends and for the people and 352 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: the women and the men that are around me that 353 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: are so solid, and I'm so grateful for the strength 354 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: inside of my own self, you know, because I have 355 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: to look at it from a different perspective to not 356 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 1: get caught up like people have you read. I don't 357 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: read anything. I don't read any news, any articles. Why 358 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: because that that that energy, and it's just what they want. 359 00:20:56,400 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: It's what they want. They want like they want you 360 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: to feel bad. They want to be consumed. 361 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 2: My husband, my now husband, always says, you know, and 362 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: articles will come out that are not nice or that 363 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 2: are not true. It will affect me in a moment. 364 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 2: And then he's like, what's within the four walls? You know, 365 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: what is in within the four walls? That is what 366 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 2: the truth is, That is what you need those and 367 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: those are the only people that you need to worry about. 368 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 2: Is within what's within the four walls your kids, your 369 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 2: closest friends, everything else they don't know. 370 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: Oh, your husband thinking, that's really that's a really good perspective. 371 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: It's true and I and I know that, and I 372 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: trust that. That's why it's like the rest is just noise. 373 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: It's all noise. 374 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, And what what your hope is again 375 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: is that which what I love is you're wanting to 376 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: now make a difference with what you've gone through and 377 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 2: also using it within your work. So I think that's 378 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: there's no' that's the happy ending with it all, you know, 379 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: that's the hope with it all, right, you know is 380 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: it's a terrible situation. 381 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: That's always been the case. And I think the closer 382 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: we get to our truth, the closer we get to 383 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,719 Speaker 1: really leading with love, loving, I should say I'm being 384 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: of service. The closer and closer we get to the 385 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: actualization of it, the more and more you know, negativity. 386 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: You can try and push back on it, but that's okay. 387 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: It's just part of our process, is part of our learning. 388 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think a lot of people, you know, 389 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 2: because we don't have a lot degrees, we don't know 390 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 2: people that might not have been divorced. There are so 391 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 2: many things that you can file that are actually not true, 392 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 2: oh and hurt other people. And I don't think people 393 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: understand that. I think you can just go oh, like 394 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: I remember one time when my ex husband he had 395 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 2: filed for divorce first because he knew that I was 396 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 2: about to and so he filed first because there's always 397 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 2: something with filing first or whatever, and he had put something. 398 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: That was later I was confused about that part that Yeah, separational, 399 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: that stuff. 400 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: And that and that one went away and then until 401 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 2: I filed years later, but he had put something in 402 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,359 Speaker 2: that original filing where I was like, wait, that's not true. 403 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 2: And there was this moment that I and I mean 404 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 2: I did. The lawyer was like, well that he can, 405 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 2: he can put that in. I was like, but that's 406 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: not true. How could he put it in when it's 407 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 2: not true? 408 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: You know? 409 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: And so I don't think people understand that. And obviously 410 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 2: all that stuff got thrown away, but I'll never forget 411 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 2: that moment because I'm like, wow, it's that's how along 412 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: with the system is is that's messed up? 413 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so sorry. I knew that feeling. I sincerely 414 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, because that's it's it's it's 415 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: it's really ineffable to see something that like, as you're 416 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 1: it's not even a description, that's literally what happens. Yeah, 417 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: and like, oh, well that's just the law. It's like 418 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: how is that wait? Wait, how is that law? 419 00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: Like? 420 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: And how it's like how are you supposed to become 421 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: a paralegal or a lawyer? And you know, as like 422 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: you're an intelligent woman. I was like, if one more 423 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: person tells me, I'm I know, I'm an intelligent woman, 424 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: but I'm not. 425 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 2: I'm not. 426 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: I didn't go I didn't take the bar. Like that 427 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: wasn't like my my dream, you know what I mean? 428 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: I don't like that's not I need to put my 429 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: lovey into something else. And that's like, it's stunning, it's stunning. Yeah, 430 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot of mental work. And again, 431 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: everything you know is an exercise and ultimately, you know, 432 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: it's everything is an opportunity to then be of service 433 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 1: to other people. Right of what what we've gone through 434 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,119 Speaker 1: and what we've experienced in our knowledge and what we've learned. 435 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: There's God, there's a reason for it, you know, there's 436 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: there has to be a reason for it. 437 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: So you have loved Danielle out. What is after that? 438 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 2: Do you have something that you're filming or directing? Posts this? 439 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: Yes, I I did four films this year that I'm 440 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: very excited about girl, and I'm preparing to direct my 441 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: first feature that I'm also very excited about. I haven't 442 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: announced that one yet. 443 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm just having. 444 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: The best time. I'm just having the best time in 445 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: terms of like writing and filmmaking and producing and just 446 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,959 Speaker 1: seeing the beauty of so many artists and what it 447 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: is that they do, and getting to spend every day, 448 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: you know, focusing not only on my children and my family, 449 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: but also like bringing the like these children of the artists, 450 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: like what they want to make and what they want 451 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,119 Speaker 1: to say to life. It's so so beautiful. 452 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. What is it a little 453 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 2: fast around here? What's your favorite thing that you've been in? Oh, 454 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 2: I'll start Pearl Harbor. So good, girl, so good. When 455 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: you die, I was like, like, it's so good. 456 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. That's so fun because I didn't understand the 457 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: hierarchy of things. I didn't know. I didn't know. I 458 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: didn't I had no idea. I didn't know. And it 459 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: was divine. It was amazing. 460 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 3: It was really like and they're like this is the 461 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 3: biggest like it was the biggest budget movie. D da 462 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 3: da dah blah blah blah, and and I had and 463 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 3: I was just like ya da da, Like I was. 464 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: I was so happy. All I wanted to do is 465 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: do the best job. 466 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. And isn't Kate beck and Sale just so beautiful too, 467 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: Like she's just like I did a movie with her. 468 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 2: I just remember, I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm staring. You're 469 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 2: just so pretty. She's so pretty, and she's so nice. 470 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 2: You're so sweet. 471 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: She's so hilarious, she's so funny, she's so poised. 472 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, say Kate, Hi, Kate, She's yeah. I mean I 473 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: did the best with her and Adam Sandler, and I 474 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 2: just remember she was out there just like smoking a cigarette, 475 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 2: but she was like so fun and nice and I 476 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, you're beautiful and your cape 477 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: back and sale and I. 478 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 1: I know, right, she's so brilliant, and it's it's so 479 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 1: nice to be around people that like that are so cool, 480 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: like that are so cool. And then but you don't 481 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: have to be afraid of them, right, you know what 482 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,639 Speaker 1: I mean. Like she's so warm and so loving and 483 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,679 Speaker 1: such a great mom. She's so funny, the brilliant, brilliant actor. 484 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: Okay, your favorite, because that was mine. 485 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: Oh you know what, I really loved a lot was 486 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: hard on Tixie. 487 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 2: That was a sweet show. 488 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: I think I can. I think I can go there 489 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: because it's different than than filmmaking, like a film. Yeah, 490 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: it's still filmmaking you, but it's your You're in it. 491 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: For so long, so that has a very special place. 492 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: It's really interesting. Now I'm racking my brain and seat, 493 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: what was my favorite film? 494 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,479 Speaker 2: Well, you know what, you're about to make it? 495 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,119 Speaker 1: Thank you? 496 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 2: Thank you yep, percept if you're about to make it, 497 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 2: so that you that's oh yes, let's do it. Well, Jamie, 498 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 2: thank you for coming on. Thank you for vulnerably sharing 499 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: things that you've gone through and also talking about things 500 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: that most women don't talk about because they're too afraid 501 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: to talk about. And I know it's just the beginning, 502 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 2: and I'm excited to see where you go with it 503 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 2: because the more you stand up, others can feel like 504 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 2: they can too. 505 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: So thank you. 506 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 2: Keep going, you too, all right, Thanks Jamie, appreciate it. 507 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 2: Everyone go see Love Danielle. She plays a sister and 508 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: it's such a beautiful film, so go check it out. 509 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, Jamie, Thank you so much.