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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you.

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Speaker 2: Paranormal investigator, ghost hunter and author Ross Allison with us

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Speaker 2: lectures to thousands of students and people throughout the US

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Speaker 2: on the ghost hunting adventures and as Todd is such

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Speaker 2: far away locases as London, Canada, Scotland. His latest book

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Speaker 2: is called Haunted Historical Hotel. Ross, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 2: How have you been?

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Speaker 3: I've been pretty good.

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Speaker 1: How you been good?

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Speaker 2: All is good? You still checking into haunted things?

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Speaker 3: I am?

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Speaker 2: Why did you? How did you get interested in all this?

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Speaker 3: Well? I always tell the story that my mother got

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Speaker 3: me involved in ghost hunting because as a kid, I

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Speaker 3: just grew up listening to her ghost stories and I

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Speaker 3: was always fascinated with these stories, wanting to know do

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Speaker 3: people really experience this phenomena? And so for me it

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Speaker 3: was just like curiosity, wanting to see if there was

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Speaker 3: any truth behind and all of that.

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Speaker 2: Where did mom get the ghost stories?

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Speaker 3: Oh, she'd find them in like local newspapers and in

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Speaker 3: a lot a lot of the books and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: I remember one story she told me as a kid,

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Speaker 3: was about a couple that wanted to leave for a party,

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Speaker 3: and as soon as they were getting ready to leave

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Speaker 3: for a party, they couldn't find their keys, and they

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Speaker 3: searched and searched because they thought something that happened, some

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Speaker 3: weird happened with their keys, and it come to find

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Speaker 3: out the ghosts had hid them in a box in

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Speaker 3: their closet, and if they had left when they were

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Speaker 3: supposed to leave, that they actually would have been killed

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Speaker 3: in a horrible car accident that just happened down their street.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting how impressionable we are as kids.

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Speaker 2: Row So my mother did the same as yours, except

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Speaker 2: she went into the UFO route, in the extraterrestrial route

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Speaker 2: when I was little, and it obsessed me with that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was one of those things. I was one

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Speaker 3: of those kids that was constant checking out all the

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Speaker 3: ghost books of the library and failing to return them.

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Speaker 3: So I got in trouble for that.

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Speaker 2: Now, when you decided to become a paranormal investigator, how

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Speaker 2: did that all come about?

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Speaker 3: Well, I was actually living in the Bay Area out

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Speaker 3: of San Francisco, and I had always, again, like I said,

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Speaker 3: been fascinating with the paranormal. But luckily down there I

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Speaker 3: was able to pursue it. It wasn't a thing in

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Speaker 3: the Northwest, or in the Seattle area, i should say.

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Speaker 3: And so while I was down there, I got to

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Speaker 3: work with a lot of the names down there. Lloyd

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Speaker 3: Auerbach actually took a few of his lectures and classes.

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Speaker 3: And when I moved back to Washington, and this is

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Speaker 3: before ghost hunting became a huge thing, the ghost hunting

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Speaker 3: shows did not exist. And it was two thousand and

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Speaker 3: I had moved back to Washington, and I wanted to

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Speaker 3: continue learning about the paranormal, but there wasn't anything out there,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the state of Washington. So I actually

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Speaker 3: h one night, it was around Halloween. I said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get a few of my friends together

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Speaker 3: that there's a local cemetery down the street. We're going

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Speaker 3: to check it out. But of course my friends they're like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that sounds like a lot of fun, but we want

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Speaker 3: to hit the bars first. Yeah, a bunch of drunks

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Speaker 3: in the cemetery is not a good idea. No, So

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Speaker 3: a friend of mine just said, why didn't you start

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Speaker 2: This paranormal experience. How do you explain it?

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Speaker 3: Well, a paranormal experience for me is a little bit

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Speaker 3: different than a lot of people. You know, when you

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Speaker 3: get into the fact. You know, people believe in ghosts already.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't take much to convince them. You know, a

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Speaker 3: knock on the on the wall could convince anybody that

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Speaker 3: it could be a ghost. But for me, it's a

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Speaker 3: lot more challenging. I want more out of it rather

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Speaker 3: than just that knock. I want to see if we

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Speaker 3: could have three points of data. Is there you know,

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Speaker 3: some sort of reading happening at that exact moment? Is there,

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Speaker 3: know with video as well? Is there you know anything

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Speaker 3: else that can add to that experience to help validate

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Speaker 3: something more to it than just the knock on the wall.

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Speaker 3: So I tend to be a little more throle or

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Speaker 3: I guess I challenged myself as a paranormal investigator to

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Speaker 2: Russ, How did you come across haunted toys?

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Speaker 3: Well, that was a funny thing. David Weatherly actually approached

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Speaker 3: me and wanted to do some work on writing some

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Speaker 3: books together, and so our first project was Haunted Toys

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Speaker 3: because we both had a collection of haunted objects and

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Speaker 3: toys was a great thing to actually because our main

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Speaker 3: ghost stories stirred up around the Christmas season. And it

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Speaker 3: was a huge success. People loved it, and so we

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Speaker 2: You're still working with David is a great guy.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's a wonderful guy. I love working with a guy.

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Speaker 2: I love his Black Eyed Kids' stories.

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Speaker 3: Oh. Yes, he's been doing a lot of cryptid stuff

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Speaker 3: as well. So he's doing lots of books on all

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Speaker 3: of the encrypted stuff to state by state. So then doing

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Speaker 3: a lot of amazing work.

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Speaker 2: Now, how does the toy get haunted?

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Speaker 3: Well, there are three different beliefs. There's basically, an object

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Speaker 3: can absorb the essence of its owner, especially when it

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Speaker 3: comes to children. I don't know if you know a child,

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Speaker 3: and so sometimes that energy can carry on into the toy.

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Speaker 3: Then you also have just an object being you know,

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Speaker 3: possessed by a spirit. So you've got situations like maybe

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Speaker 2: Rush is it the toy itself that creates the issue

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Speaker 2: or is it the fact that somebody is possessing it.

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Speaker 3: Well, again, it's like I said, with a child putting

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Speaker 3: so much energy into a toy, I think sometimes these

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Speaker 3: like the same phenomena as an imaginary friend, whereas somehow

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Speaker 3: then there's like I said, there's that situation whereas something

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Speaker 3: So you know, it just varies on the situation.

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Speaker 2: John Zapfis has shown us that other objects can be

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Speaker 2: haunted as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, definitely not just toys. This is the

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Speaker 3: reason why we may have haunted houses. You know, you

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Speaker 3: think about it as a wealthy person puts so much

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Speaker 2: Russ. If somebody were given a haunted toy, would it

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Speaker 3: I think it could depend on the situation. One of

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Speaker 3: the things that we always question is why is an

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Speaker 3: I've always felt that there's not always an easy, you

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Speaker 3: know process for you know, ghostbusting. I think a lot

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Speaker 3: There's no reason for you to be here anymore, you

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Speaker 2: Can this toy sometimes be the haunted version of the

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah. In fact, I've got a great story. One

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Speaker 3: of my favorite stories to tell is called the Haunted Lamb,

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Speaker 3: And this was a little stuffed lamb that this little girl,

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Speaker 3: She had a dream. She just felt that this was

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Speaker 2: I was just going to say, she hadn't had a

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Speaker 2: chance to say goodbye exactly, and she moved on finally,

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Speaker 2: and she did. Do you think most spirits eventually move on?

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Speaker 3: I think, and in time. I think there are a

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Speaker 3: you know, stories that date back to you know, early

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Speaker 3: you know, seventeen hundreds, eighteen hundreds, and so I think

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Speaker 3: that activity can carry on. But in some cases, I

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Speaker 3: think some of that activity is more residual rather than

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Speaker 3: an intelligent haunting. I think in some cases, intelligent hauntings

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Speaker 3: may have the opportunity to move on. Residual is just

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Speaker 3: actually see him standing in the corner of her room.

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Speaker 3: Her closet door would open and close by itself, and

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Speaker 3: She had heard the story of the young man that

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Speaker 3: and so they called on us to do an investigation.

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Speaker 3: they're investigating exactly. I really try to focus on building credibility.

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Speaker 3: surprising thing was is she said that it wasn't a suicide.

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Speaker 3: She's telling us that, you know, he just was he

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Speaker 3: was upset because the story was that him and his

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Speaker 3: believes that it wasn't a suicide. He was just partying

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Speaker 3: And as soon as she passed that information onto us

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Speaker 3: And I think that's exactly what he was trying to

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Speaker 2: Do you think ross that most hauntings are ghosts and

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Speaker 2: spirits trying to pass on information and like you say,

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Speaker 2: once they do it stops.

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Speaker 3: I do. I do. But then I think sometimes they

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Speaker 3: don't know how to let go again. If you are

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Speaker 3: dealing with, you know, that intelligent factor, they don't know

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Speaker 3: how to let go, or they don't want to let go.

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Speaker 3: But I do think there's a lot of situations where

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