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Speaker 1: Does it go by faster these days? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: To me, it seems like it goes by faster. Welcome in.

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Speaker 1: This is the Late Kick Extra podcast. It is Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: It is May fourth, the year of our lower twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two. I'm Josh paid. We got a mail bag

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Speaker 1: the likes of which I've never seen so full this morning.

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Speaker 1: I think we'll have a record number of questions and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to try and get them in as expeditiously

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Speaker 1: as possible. About an eighty percent chance that word fits there.

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Speaker 1: At Late Kick Josh Instagram, at late Kick Josh on Twitter,

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Speaker 1: that's where you can submit questions for this particular format.

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Speaker 1: You know, the best compliment someone paid to me so

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Speaker 1: far this year was this week. Actually, we were playing

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Speaker 1: softball with someone and they said, you know what you've

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Speaker 1: done for me, You've made it feel like the well,

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Speaker 1: they said the word. But I'm gonna censor it the

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Speaker 1: X season the off season, if you will. It actually

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Speaker 1: goes by quicker because we have so many shows and

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Speaker 1: got signing day, spring practice and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: he said, it feels like fall camp gets here a

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Speaker 1: little bit quicker. Hey, that's the biggest compliment I can get.

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Speaker 1: I'm taking that right to management, and I actually feel

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Speaker 1: that way. Now, I can only speak personally and professionally.

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Speaker 1: I guess for myself. But if that's the way we're

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Speaker 1: making any of you feel, if that was not an

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Speaker 1: isolated example, then feel free to let me know, because

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Speaker 1: that means we're on the right track. Let's dive into

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Speaker 1: the mailbag this morning. We're going all over the place here.

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Speaker 1: Baylor Bearhead leads us off who will be the next

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Speaker 1: top tier program in modern college football? And then he

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Speaker 1: gave me some potential guesses here. Will it be a

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Speaker 1: big twelve team that fills the void left by OU.

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Speaker 1: Will it be USC now that they're dropping a lot

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Speaker 1: of cash on transfers, his words, not mine. Will it

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Speaker 1: be A and M with their ridiculous recruiting lately? Will

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Speaker 1: it be someone else? I always gravitate towards the population centers,

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Speaker 1: then I just go where the money is. Now, If

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Speaker 1: we're doing that. Texas A, M M. I think pretty

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Speaker 1: don't they. If I were to ask you what it

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Speaker 1: and then you told me, I would probably follow up with, Okay,

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Speaker 1: which of those things you just listed does Texas A

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Speaker 1: But even then you're casting aspersions. And you know how

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Speaker 1: rarely I use that word at a guy who's already

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Speaker 1: checking in here. Can you go a little more in

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Speaker 1: and why you keep relating that to today's college football.

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Speaker 1: past four. I mean he certainly cannot be. He has

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Speaker 1: shown the ability to build. He's shown the ability to

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Speaker 1: insulate his program, and that's an underrated characteristic of a

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Speaker 1: coach and a leader, believe me. And he's also now

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Speaker 1: I mean, the development questions kind of out of the

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Speaker 1: room if you happen to tune into the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: So he's up there, Ryan Day, I think is way

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Speaker 1: up there. Where's Dabbo at Dabo's got two national championships

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Speaker 1: under his belt. If you listen to this show, you

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Speaker 1: know that championships haven't always been the end all, be

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Speaker 1: all metric for me personally, in this conversation to each

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Speaker 1: his and her own, I've looked at it, like I

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Speaker 1: said with the Dave Randa example, as not all programs

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Speaker 1: are equally resourced. Therefore I'm gonna judge you based on

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Speaker 1: your resources. Well, Dabo's got good resources over at Clemson,

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Speaker 1: and he's won two national championships. So if we're just

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Speaker 1: going by the trophy case, well I've got to have

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Speaker 1: him up there, and I do have him up there.

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Speaker 1: But I am of the opinion that we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about this a lot more over the summer. I'm

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Speaker 1: of the opinion we're in a pretty unprecedented situation with Dabo.

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Speaker 1: When have we ever seen a head coach that built

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Speaker 1: his program. He didn't inherit it. He built his program

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Speaker 1: from the ground up, and that program ended up weathering

449
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Speaker 1: an early storm, settling in becoming a powerhouse, winning multiple

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Speaker 1: national championships, been playing for even more than they won,

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Speaker 1: and yet still be stuck with something to prove. Because

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Speaker 1: I'm even there on Dabos winny, I think he's got

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Speaker 1: something to prove this year. I give him all the

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Speaker 1: credit in the world. I'm not one of these folks

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Speaker 1: who bashes him because he only won due to having

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Speaker 1: great assistance he hired him. He only won because he

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Speaker 1: had really good talent he recruited him. You can't say

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Speaker 1: that that's wildly hypocritical because you wouldn't say it about

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Speaker 1: any other coach. And the reality is all of them

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Speaker 1: have had good talent and good staffs if they've ever

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Speaker 1: won a title. But at the same time, I am

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Speaker 1: willing to listen to you if you say, well, we

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Speaker 1: got to see if Dabos Swinney's overarching philosophy on his

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Speaker 1: program really works now and in the future, And that

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Speaker 1: overarching philosophy is he is a big believer in keeping

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Speaker 1: things internal, hiring from the inside. He's not a big

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Speaker 1: transfer portal guy. This is philosophy. He's got a different

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Speaker 1: one than some other head coaches. I think Texas and Clemson,

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Speaker 1: for very different reasons, are my two most interesting programs

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Speaker 1: to watch this year. And with Clemson that's the reason

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Speaker 1: because Dabo's got two national championship rings. And yet still

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Speaker 1: you could very very reasonably argue has something to prove

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Speaker 1: right now. And here's the other thing, and listen closely

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Speaker 1: to what I'm about to say. The thing about having

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Speaker 1: something to prove is if you've delivered over and over

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Speaker 1: and over again, that kind of goes by the wayside.

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Speaker 1: Let me give you a personal example. I can never

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Speaker 1: be questioned. My ability to do one thing particular is

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Speaker 1: above reproach at this point, and that is surprised you

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Speaker 1: with an AD break, be right back. Little game been

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Speaker 1: going on as of late. Some of you out there

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Speaker 1: have taken to telling me in the DMS, you don't

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Speaker 1: fool me on those AD tosses. I see him coming

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Speaker 1: every time. I knew it was coming last time. Did

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Speaker 1: you though, to quote a girl in the office here,

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Speaker 1: we'll call her Kristen, did you though, no, no, you

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Speaker 1: did not. This is a tough look for you. Take

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Speaker 1: a second, go sit by the garbage, regroup, come back

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Speaker 1: and be better for it builds character. That sort of

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Speaker 1: thing builds character. Doug needs none. He lives in Clinton, Iowa.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure he's got plenty of character. He said, should

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Speaker 1: non playoff bowl games pay potential NFL picks through nil

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Speaker 1: deals to play in the game instead of opting out Doug.

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Speaker 1: I've been a proponent of this. I put this on

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Speaker 1: the table last year, really, even before this storm of

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Speaker 1: uncertainty came ashore on college football island here, Vivid, I

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Speaker 1: don't care if you're a future NFL draft pick or

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Speaker 1: if you're a sixth year super duper senior who's about

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Speaker 1: to be selling insurance within the next six months. I'm

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Speaker 1: a believer that since we've already made bowl games a

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Speaker 1: mockery in some cases, well, you guys did not, you listeners,

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Speaker 1: But we know who we're talking about when we say

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Speaker 1: you guys, I think we all understand amongst ourselves here

504
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Speaker 1: we're talking about old casual Carl, enemy of the people,

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Speaker 1: whether they know it or not. I am of the

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Speaker 1: belief that since we already made a mess, and people

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Speaker 1: use the phrase meaningless bowl game like it's going out

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Speaker 1: of style. I think that bowl games should just be

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Speaker 1: honest with themselves, and I think they should be treated

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Speaker 1: as a different kind of college football game. And therefore

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Speaker 1: you are allowed to do things attached to those games

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Speaker 1: that you're not allowed to do for a regular season

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Speaker 1: college football game. So think about this. It's pretty straightforward.

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Speaker 1: This is not too complex. I think that you should

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Speaker 1: take those bowl games. And if you think that opt

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Speaker 1: outs are a problem, which they are, and if you think,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not always on board with this, that college

518
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Speaker 1: bowl games that aren't playoff games are meaningless st again,

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Speaker 1: I am not a believer in that, but too many

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Speaker 1: people are. Well, how do we rectify it? How do

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Speaker 1: we make things interesting? How do we maximize the viewing experience,

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Speaker 1: which is what it's all about at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day. And how do we at least make sure

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Speaker 1: as many guys as possible are playing that they're not

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Speaker 1: tempted to opt out? What we put money on the line,

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Speaker 1: that's how we do it. We put skin in the game.

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Speaker 1: How do we do it with a bowl game? Bowl

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Speaker 1: games make pretty good money. Conferences make good money and

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Speaker 1: TV and all a bold game is is a made

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Speaker 1: for television product anyway. That's why they don't care if

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Speaker 1: there's no win in the stands. They're not making their

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Speaker 1: dough off gate receipts and merch sales. I can assure

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Speaker 1: you of that. Well, since we already have that pool

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Speaker 1: of revenue, what I have been a big proponent of

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Speaker 1: is taking a cut of that revenue bowl game revenue,

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Speaker 1: let's just call it that for lack of a better term,

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Speaker 1: And I've been a big believer in distributing seventy percent

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Speaker 1: of that pool to the members of the winning team

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Speaker 1: in the bowl game and give thirty percent to the

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Speaker 1: losing team. The caveat, of course, is you have incentive

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Speaker 1: to win the game because you get more money if

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Speaker 1: you win, so we don't have to worry about the

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Speaker 1: spirit of competition. And secondly, you were only given access

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Speaker 1: to that pool if you participated in the game, if

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Speaker 1: you were active on the roster, so maybe your third

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Speaker 1: string and you didn't play. But if you opt out,

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Speaker 1: you don't get a cut of that. Only the guys

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Speaker 1: who are participants in practice leading up to the bowl

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Speaker 1: and the bowl game itself are eligible for that revenue

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Speaker 1: sharing pool. That would do I think a lot. It

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Speaker 1: wouldn't solve it completely. I mean, if you stand to

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Speaker 1: make potentially millions of dollars, if you're going to be

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Speaker 1: a top ten draft pick, and maybe your cut of

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Speaker 1: the bowl pie is going to be a sixty five

555
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars check, well, no, it's probably not enough to

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Speaker 1: circumvent you not playing. I don't know quite frankly, what

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Speaker 1: we can do at this point to circumvent that. But

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Speaker 1: absent you know, the top ten or first round draft picks, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think we can do something about it. And at

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Speaker 1: this point, again understanding that bowl games are different creatures,

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Speaker 1: it totally than what the regular season is to begin with.

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Speaker 1: Even I don't have a problem with that. I mean

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Speaker 1: I don't think I would have embraced it if someone

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Speaker 1: suggested it in nineteen ninety three. But we're in a

565
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Speaker 1: different world now, and some of the casuals out there

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Speaker 1: made a mess. So the first thing we got to

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Speaker 1: do is we got to take the toothpaste tube out

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Speaker 1: of their hands. I'm very tired of people with the

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Speaker 1: toothpaste tube in their hand saying, well, the toothpaste is

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Speaker 1: out of the tube. Yeah, dummy, you squeezed it. Give me,

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Speaker 1: give me the tube before we fix things. Give me

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Speaker 1: the tube, get out of here, slam the door behind him.

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Speaker 1: Then we clean up the mess, put the cap back

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Speaker 1: on the tube, and then those of us in the

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Speaker 1: room who didn't make the mess tube begin with. We

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Speaker 1: can figure out a solution that would be a pretty

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Speaker 1: good solution, at least in my humble estimation. Next up

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Speaker 1: is Bradley. He has a retort. Bradley said, I think

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Speaker 1: Connor Wegman has a much higher chance of starting this

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Speaker 1: season for A and M than you have alluded to

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Speaker 1: in every interview I've heard. Wegman has the highest of

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Speaker 1: praise out there from Jimbo. There's a sparkle in his

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Speaker 1: eye when you bring up Wegman. Well, I don't doubt

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Speaker 1: there is, Bradley, I don't doubt that at all. Let

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Speaker 1: me hit the rewind button. We boom. We are back

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Speaker 1: to December, or maybe it was February. Either way, we

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Speaker 1: had Jimbo Fisher on the National Signing Day show. Now,

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Speaker 1: of course he went psychotic when we talked about transfer,

589
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Speaker 1: portal nil stuff. But before that, you know what he said.

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Speaker 1: He said, Connor Wegman was the best quarterback in the country.

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Speaker 1: That's why they didn't go after Quinn Eewers. Those were

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Speaker 1: his words. I asked him specifically about that, and so

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Speaker 1: he had a sparkle in his eye that day too.

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Speaker 1: He had rage in his eyes later, but a sparkle

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Speaker 1: to begin with. Sparkles often turned to rage. But I

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Speaker 1: remember that too. Yeah, I mean, he can't say anything

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Speaker 1: more than I think the guy's the best in the country.

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Speaker 1: And we were running b roll as he was talking,

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Speaker 1: and you saw a lot of the highlight plays from

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Speaker 1: Connor Wegman. I don't doubt he's going to do great

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Speaker 1: things out there. What I have said about Connor Wegman

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Speaker 1: to be very very clear, and this is a true

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Speaker 1: freshman quarterback at A and M. For those unfamiliar, he's

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Speaker 1: out there battling with two guys they can win with theoretically,

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Speaker 1: Haines King, who was the starter last year before he

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Speaker 1: got hurt, so he's rehabbed his way back. And then

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Speaker 1: you got Max Johnson, the left handed transferred quarterback from LSU,

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Speaker 1: who I thought looked a little better in the spring game.

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Speaker 1: That doesn't mean all that much, even I will admit

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Speaker 1: that those are two guys who have multi year experience

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Speaker 1: over Connor Wegman. They aren't stop gaps. They're not just

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Speaker 1: providing depth. They can actually win you football games. Both

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Speaker 1: of them have done it before, both of them have

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Speaker 1: shown the propensity to be able to do it. And

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Speaker 1: so what do they need this year? Texas A and M.

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Speaker 1: They need consistent, good decision making, they need accuracy. These

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Speaker 1: just aren't typically things you can rely on a true

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Speaker 1: freshman to do. And you've also got to handle the

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Speaker 1: distribution of reps. You can't just give Connor Wegman enough

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Speaker 1: reps that he'll need in order to start him this year.

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Speaker 1: So that's all I've said about him. I think he's

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Speaker 1: going to be a great player down the road. The

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Speaker 1: only thing I've said is I don't think he's going

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Speaker 1: to be their starter this year. That's it. Next up

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Speaker 1: T and D tweets thoughts on Xavier Worthy and Jaday

626
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Speaker 1: Baron deciding to stay at Texas instead of following nil deals.

627
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Speaker 1: Did you guys see this Chris Hummer here at twenty

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Speaker 1: four to seven. Who you need to be following If

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Speaker 1: you don't go find Chris Hummer. A lot of the

630
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Speaker 1: national guys in the college football media space, the print medius,

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Speaker 1: they get a lot of run. Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 1: I sit in on meetings with Chris Hummer a lot.

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Speaker 1: The dude works his tail off. Firstly. Secondly, he's a

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Speaker 1: very good rider. He understands the game. Thirdly, he's very

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Speaker 1: well sourced. I mean there's a lot of scoop and

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Speaker 1: a lot of juice you'll pick up that you won't

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Speaker 1: get anywhere else over the course of a year following

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Speaker 1: Chris Hummer. So he's still pretty young in the industry.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you'll all know his name five years from now.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, this is Pate State now. We pride

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Speaker 1: ourselves on being a little ahead of the curve. It's

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Speaker 1: like someone saying, Hey, you know what I think. I

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Speaker 1: think Will Anderson's going to have a pretty good year

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Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, he was the best player in the

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Speaker 1: country last year. Welcome to the party, pal, don't be pal.

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Speaker 1: When is it ever good in life to be pal?

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Speaker 1: So be a pal of the show go follow Chris Hummer.

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Speaker 1: Didn't even pay me to say it. Not that I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't accept money from him, but he didn't pay me

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Speaker 1: to say that. Just a really, really good dude. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So the question back to the topic at him. Hummer

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Speaker 1: had a story about Xavier Worthy, and I was out

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Speaker 1: of pocket yesterday, so I didn't see the stuff with Baron.

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Speaker 1: I did see the stuff with Worthy, and it was about,

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Speaker 1: according to Hummer, a school approaching him with high six

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Speaker 1: or even a seven figure deal to try and leave Texas.

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Speaker 1: Xavier Worthy is a star receiver. He was a true

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Speaker 1: freshman last year. He just totally went off in the

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma game. He's very good and stands to be even

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Speaker 1: better this year. Well, I hate that, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: hate that that's going on. But my thoughts on the

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Speaker 1: fact that they turned them down, or if you want

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Speaker 1: to call it Texas matching the offer, whatever the case is.

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Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, my thoughts are good on Texas for

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Speaker 1: finding a way to keep those guys on campus long term.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully that's not the reality behind the scenes in college football.

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Speaker 1: But if we are to look back in twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: four and we were to say, remember when it was

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Speaker 1: eventually got our hands on the steering wheel and got

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Speaker 1: our sport back onto a more navigable path, and people

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Speaker 1: were just coming after your players right after the season ended.

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Speaker 1: Remember that, and remember how they came after Worthy and

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Speaker 1: bearing down at Texas and they stay. What if we're

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Speaker 1: saying that within the context of Texas like winning a

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Speaker 1: Big Twelve title next year if they're still in the

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Speaker 1: Big twelve tbd on that. A lot of you keep

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Speaker 1: asking one of the Horns and sooners leaving for the SEC.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Shruggy, I don't know. They don't know either.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Greg Sanky knows. I don't think anyone knows.

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Speaker 1: But it's a big deal. It's a big deal because

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Speaker 1: it at least solidifies in your mind that unlike last

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Speaker 1: year when at the end of the year, everyone's knock

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Speaker 1: on Texas was the culture's terrible. Well, at least you

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Speaker 1: have your stud players. Xavier Worthy is the definition of

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Speaker 1: one of those who are willing to buy into the

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Speaker 1: direction of the program. So that's a good thing. Bray

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Speaker 1: up next, Hey, I got to have your feedback on

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Speaker 1: this too, because I may be out in left field

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Speaker 1: on this one. Bray asked, if you had a choice,

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Speaker 1: how would you want your team to win a close game?

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Speaker 1: Walk off field goal? Pick six? Hail Mary etc. So

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Speaker 1: I was at the National Championship Game this past year

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Speaker 1: where Georgia kind of did this. They had the pick six.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't with zeros on the clock, obviously, but it

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Speaker 1: was pretty close to it. I am a believer that

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Speaker 1: the pick six is the biggest sudden, chaotic, momentum change

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Speaker 1: thing that you could ever have to end the game.

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Speaker 1: If you had that to end a game, I think

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Speaker 1: that is the absolute pinnacle of how you would want

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Speaker 1: to win a championship. In a dream scenario, Like in baseball,

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Speaker 1: everyone knows it's the walk off home run, or in

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Speaker 1: the sandlot it's the Jets stealing home if you still

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Speaker 1: home to win a baseball game. I've seen a couple

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Speaker 1: of college teams do that this year. Yeah, Okay, that's great,

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Speaker 1: absent that it's normally like sid Bream sliding under the

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Speaker 1: tag of michae Levaliard on a Francisco Cabrera bottom of

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Speaker 1: the ninth, Game seven of the nineteen ninety two NLCS

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Speaker 1: hit have you been able to tell I've watched that

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Speaker 1: a few times. Sean mcdonoughh on the call. Sean McDonough,

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Speaker 1: oh man, he is right up there with my favorite

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Speaker 1: play by play guys of all time. Absent that in baseball.

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Speaker 1: In football, I think the equivalent of that is not

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Speaker 1: the Hail Mary. I think the equivalent is the because

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Speaker 1: think about the hail Mary. You have to be on

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Speaker 1: offense to do that, so at least your mind is

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Speaker 1: on scoring. But if you're deadlocked late in a game

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Speaker 1: and the other team's driving on you, like Alabama was

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Speaker 1: on Georgia, think about where Georgia was. They'd had so

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Speaker 1: many opportunities, they had landed a solid blow on Bama's

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Speaker 1: chin so much, and Bama got back up and delivered

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Speaker 1: the knockout shot that They're watching Bama march right down

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Speaker 1: the field again. You know good and well what those

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Speaker 1: people are thinking, and all of a sudden, keighly Ringo

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Speaker 1: picks the ball off and takes it back to the house.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was standing on the field when it happened.

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Speaker 1: Bedlam to again steal a word that Sean McDonough used

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Speaker 1: in the nineteen ninety two NLCS call find that children,

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Speaker 1: if you're in that crowd, I already referenced twice high

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Speaker 1: school college age go type in braves or sidbream slide,

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two NLCS Oh, the McDonagh calls great. Like

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Speaker 1: all the Braves fans love the skip carry call, and

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Speaker 1: I do too. Sean mcdonoughh on the national broadcast for

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Speaker 1: CBS just nailed it. So back to this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you go from being scared that you're about to watch

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Speaker 1: your biggest opportunity slip away to not only are you

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Speaker 1: on offense, all of a sudden, you're taking that thing

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Speaker 1: to score. That's like seven or eight seconds in real time.

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Speaker 1: You go from chewing your fingernails to the nubs to

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Speaker 1: we just won the national championship. It doesn't happen like

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Speaker 1: that when you're on offense. It can only happen like

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Speaker 1: that when you're on defense. So Bray, I would say,

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Speaker 1: give me, if it's possible to phrase it this way,

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Speaker 1: the walk off pick six or like the waning seconds

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Speaker 1: of the game, give me a pick six, cause that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what we saw with Georgia. And to me,

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Speaker 1: that's about as crazy as it gets. It may not

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Speaker 1: live on the highlight reels quite like the Doug Flutie

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Speaker 1: Hail Mary or Tua to Devonte Smith, but for my money,

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Speaker 1: that is the biggest sudden, massive emotional turn that a

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Speaker 1: football game can take with a championship of some kind

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Speaker 1: on the line. What's on the line for us right

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Speaker 1: now really everything we have begun to hockey stick as

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Speaker 1: a show, as a podcast, and I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of you are new here, so I try and explain

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Speaker 1: as frequently as I can what we do, because I

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Speaker 1: know sometimes it gets confusing. Late Kick Live we do

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Speaker 1: Sunday night and Thursday night. It's on the twenty four

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Speaker 1: to seven Sports YouTube channel. It's at eight eastern seventh Central.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to have you watch the show live. I

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Speaker 1: know some of you like to watch the replay the

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Speaker 1: next morning. We get inordinate amounts of replay traffic on

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Speaker 1: Monday morning and Friday morning because you guys like to

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Speaker 1: listen on your way to work or watch at work.

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Speaker 1: I'm not faulting you, I'm not mad at it. However,

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Speaker 1: you watch the show, we appreciate it. We have an

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Speaker 1: average viewership of over twenty one minutes right now, which

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Speaker 1: is asinime, so thank you for that. But also, I

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Speaker 1: know some of you like to listen just in podcast forms,

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Speaker 1: so we take the recordings of those shows and we

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Speaker 1: put it in the podcast feed. So for the Sunday

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Speaker 1: Night Live show, the podcast is there three thirty three

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Speaker 1: am Monday morning. For the Thursday night live show, the

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Speaker 1: a reason why we drop it at three thirty three.

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Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with audience engagement or track.

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Speaker 1: It's just something personal for me. Anyway, during the middle

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Speaker 1: of the week, you get what you're listening to right now,

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Speaker 1: the Late Kick Extra podcast. There is no video form

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Speaker 1: of this. Sometimes we do video clips of it. I've

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Speaker 1: been stormchasing for the past month, so we haven't been

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Speaker 1: able to do it on video. But you get this

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Speaker 1: product from us every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Our numbers

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Speaker 1: are insane. Our numbers are better than they were during

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Speaker 1: September and October of the actual football season. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know what else to say other than thank you.

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Speaker 1: Really feels like we've started to hit a tipping point

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Speaker 1: where the growth really happens exponentially. A lot of you

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Speaker 1: help us by telling your friends about the show. One

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Speaker 1: of the most proud aspects I have of this show

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Speaker 1: is we've never had to spend a dollar marketing. We

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Speaker 1: still haven't. We still have not spent a dime on

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Speaker 1: a marketing budget because you guys take care of it.

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Speaker 1: You play a role. Hey, that's kind of what the

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Speaker 1: whole payt state mentality is all about. There is an

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Speaker 1: active role for everyone who listens to this show because

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Speaker 1: you own it. I always stand by that and always will.

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Speaker 1: You just kind of let me host it. So I

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Speaker 1: Only onward and upward from here. Probably am going to

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Speaker 1: have some news for you in the next month or two.

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Speaker 1: We are working things out. I'm of course talking about

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Speaker 1: contract however, and wherever it shakes out, you will still

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Speaker 1: get what you've always gotten from me, right here where

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Speaker 1: you've always gotten it. So don't worry about that. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: producer Jordan and everybody who's going to have their hands

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Speaker 1: on this thing once I toss it to them. I'm

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